Love the Top Gear intro! The manual trainer that swings was a cool idea! After building a normal trainer myself, I agree that it doesnt feel anything like a rolling manual but it helped me find that sweet spot to balance in. My manuals still need a lot of work lol Awesome video Max!
"The whole move goes into throwing your weight back." I had wondered about why I could easily get into a manual on the machine, but not in real life. Great insight. I'm inspired.
Bei 4:31 dachte ich du fährst durch deine alte Modelleisenbahn :)) Davon abgesehen: Hammer Video, wie alle deine Videos! Ruhig und nachvollziehbar erklärt und selbst bei Sachen, die man schon kann, hört und sieht man gerne zu! Klasse RUclipsr und sauguter Trialer!!!
I was going to recommend adding the line to catch the bike from looping out and then you said in the video how that was a bad idea.. lol. I was trying to learn manuals this last weekend on my dirt jumper in an asphalt parking lot that was a bit more down hill than ideal. After 5 or so trips down the parking lot and barely getting my front tire off the ground due to fear, I remembered that I should be looking farther ahead and not head down looking at my front wheel. This made a huge difference and I hit balance point on my 3rd pull up on that next run (for about a second), which scared the crap out of me... I panicked, didn't think to try to use my break to bring the front wheel down, tried to bail off the back, fell forward due to my momentum, landing on my hands and knees and got a nice case of road rash on knees and palms... That was enough for one day... lol. Then I had to do the ride of shame back home with blood running down my shins....I went out and bought some knee pads and gloves for my next attempt after my poor knees heal.
Thank you for making this video. Since the day I saw the first one of these things I thought they were absolutely stupid. I can manual better than most.
Fascinating to get the persepctive of somebody who can manual. There is definatly a difference between the MM and a rolling manual. I can testify to this. I can "manual" on the MM easily for up to 1 min., however on the rolling bike I can't manual for 1 second, despite LOTS of practice. The MM is just a waste of time (& wood)!
I think it might help you get over your fear of lifting the front wheel, if that's a problem for you, and understanding about how high the front wheel has to get to reach your balance point so you have a target. You might also learn what that loop out point feels like to help you stay under it. That's probably all it does for you since the actual balancing part is totally different and for some that fear comes right back once you leave the manual trainer behind... I've seen several videos of beginners using them and getting the trainer down (probably using the break to cheat) and then they try to do a rolling manual and look like they are starting over completely from the beginning again.
Great video!! I've been working on the manual for a year now and can do a few meters but I'm deadly afraid of looping out so I always press the brake and come back down. I tried practicing looping out but fell on my butt and couldnt walk right for 3 days, so after that I stopped practicing looping out. I'm gonna use the manual machine to practice looping out but I'm still afraid.
For me it helped with my confidence. And getting the feeling of looping out etc. And get a slightly more feel to move my weight around. After an hour on a manual machine I noticed a big difference on trails etc. And got more comfortable with the front wheel up. Hills I would usually struggle to ride up due to front wheel lifting was not an issue anymore. I am better at lifting the wheel up on a trail when needed. Than I am just practising lifting it over bumps etc on a casual ride. My friend had the same effect after just an hour on it. So we are building on what it gave us
I had actually thought of the concept of a 2d manual machine before, but I'm a bmx rider. Maybe you could make a part 2 with a ''3d'' manual machine, because I have a design in mind that would allow potentially both wheels to spin(angular momentum also plays a factor in a manual) and the bike to move under you forward and back. My idea stems on the fact that bmx bikes have pegs. So you could drop both rear pegs into a groove that would let the rear tire sit in the air(or a spinablle track like a treadmill to simulate rolling resistance), then you could also pedal. The 3rd dimension comes from an idea of, instead of making the pegs sit/rotate in place, but letting them slide in a horizontal sort of track. in my original idea I only had the rear wheel in the "cradle", because it would add structural support. Let me know what you think about this.
I had almost this exact idea with pegs in some kind of channel when thinking about the problems of the manual machine and how to solve them. A true 3D machine that also adds yaw would be interesting as well.
Really interesting! I built myself a manual machine a while ago and have got to a point where I can hold the bike for a very long time, with the chain off. I can NOT transfer it onto the road though! I can feel the balance point on the machine but whenever I try it on the road, it just doesn't work and I don't know why!
I have exactly the same experience! I could hold a manual for over 1 minute on the manual machine but achieved nothing on the road. Only after trying for months on the road, I can do a reasonable manual now. But it felt like starting from scratch. Only now, after watching this video, I understand why. The two ways to manual are more different than I expected. Most importantly: keep practicing!
I built one about 3 months ago could already wheelie both seated and standing the one thing that i found made it hard to manual on the machine was keeping the bars straight as with a wheelie you nearly alway turn the bars a tini bit i can now manual about 30 metres now the other point is the motion to get it up needs to be really smooth and you movement to maintain it is so small once u get the balance point , the strange thing i find is with my weight really low and back the front is not very high, and it is possible to manual with bent arms it just takes way more effort to hold so i think there a good thing forget the strap take of the chain and try not to use the brake and practice practice.
I came to the same conclusion on the manual machine - but now I wonder if it's possible to adapt the machine in a way to practice reverse nose wheelies? Just flip the bike around and have a rope that goes tight when you get the right position on the front wheel? Maybe for both, it's just best to practice them in real life instead of on a machine! haha :)
I didn't realize that the brace for the rear board also held the bike upright! That's a lot of stress on the wheel - I'm sure this would effect the wheel (need re dishing).
@@Jonas_-ou3rs Ich mag sie, weil sie weich sind und die Schraub-Version ist weniger weich, weil die Gummi-Schicht viel dünner ist. An sich sind die aber auch gut.
Great video as always! Hey what version of the POC shin pads are those? The only one I've been able to find offer much less shin protection. Keep up the great work!
No rotational mass while standing still makes a lot of difference in the feel. As someone who couldn't manual a year ago and spend quite some time on the 2D manual machine over the winter I still stand by my word that it can help out quite a bit. Especially how to move your knees, either to the side and front to back. With chain on you can even isolate the sideway motion without worrying about the front to back motion.
Hi, First of all congrats for this great vid! I watched your manual tutorial at least a hundred times :) You are right, a manual machine learns you a lot how to loop out and not to be afraid of it. Indeed, trying on a manual machine is a bit harder at the beginning, but after a few months, it becomes a piece of cake. Two things I disagree: 1. Of course there is a certain position where you feel relaxed on a manual machine. I can stay for minutes in that position. Example: ruclips.net/video/rREtlYtvBpQ/видео.html 2. You should never use the brake in order to learn it properly. You should leave your dad learn on the manual machine at least for a few days in order to see a difference. And then, as you advised - he should try on a concrete smooth flat surface, not on grass :) I first learned to manual on a BMX with brakes and a strap. I am strongly discouraging using them. I also tried to balance sideways, but I would leave that to be practiced without any help. I would recommend to always mix the real feel with the manual machine: Daily practice until being able to stay at least 30 seconds and then practice an hour on the street. A freecoaster BMX is my recommendation because you don't have to get rid of the chain. Here is my experience with the manual machine (no publicity was intended), I just want to share my thoughts: ruclips.net/video/rREtlYtvBpQ/видео.html Best of luck!
Hey, cooles Video. Kurze Frage: nachdem ich die ersten Attempts von Deinem Dad gesehen habe, frag ich mich, ob die Maschine verwendet werden könnte, um einen guten bunny hop zu lernen, in dem man hochpoppen kann und wirklich den Lenker nahe zu den Hüften kriegt. Was denkst Du?
Finally somebody proves that manual machines are basically no good for learning how to manual. With a stationary bike you lose the gyroscopic effect of the wheels (the tendency of a rotating body to maintain a steady direction of its axis of rotation). That’s why the bike is steadier the faster you go.
I'd say it's harder rather than completely different because there's no forward momentum.. you can loop a bike out by yanking up while stopped or super slow easier than when you have a bit of speed
The main reason it's different is that no wheels are moving. Rotational mass adds a lot to stability. I practiced a lot on the manual machine during the winter and it helped quite a bit in programming my brain for the right movements. I also find the 2D mode helpful since it teached me how to move my knees without having to worry about all movements at once.
The main difference is that the rear wheel, and therefore the whole bike, can move back and forth while rolling, in contrast to the bike only being able to rotate while on the machine, resulting in completely different dynamics. When you're rolling, you and your bike are almost a closed system energy wise, pretty much disconnected from the ground for the back and forth movement. When the rear wheel is strapped in place, the result of the balance motions is a lot diffrent, because your body's speed starts changing independently from the bike. Also, look at how much the front wheel moves up and down while on the machine. That's because it can only rotate, and not move as a whole.
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That top gear intro, so nice
Du bist der beste und „underrateste“ Trial RUclipsr auf der Welt! So sympathisch!🙏
Please come back and make more videos!!! Miss your tutorials so much
11:35 that's my goal, parking lot manual w/ neon lights for extra glam
great video, thanks for sharing
Love the Top Gear intro! The manual trainer that swings was a cool idea! After building a normal trainer myself, I agree that it doesnt feel anything like a rolling manual but it helped me find that sweet spot to balance in. My manuals still need a lot of work lol Awesome video Max!
I am still waiting for the Bunnyhop Tailwhip video😁
While we live in 3D, he lives in 2D
"The whole move goes into throwing your weight back." I had wondered about why I could easily get into a manual on the machine, but not in real life. Great insight. I'm inspired.
Your home looks sooooo nice brotha!!
When are you gonna upload new videos again???? Missing your videos man :(
Bei 4:31 dachte ich du fährst durch deine alte Modelleisenbahn :))
Davon abgesehen: Hammer Video, wie alle deine Videos! Ruhig und nachvollziehbar erklärt und selbst bei Sachen, die man schon kann, hört und sieht man gerne zu!
Klasse RUclipsr und sauguter Trialer!!!
Überragende Ausarbeitung der Thematik. Wie immer. Weiter so! 👍
I was going to recommend adding the line to catch the bike from looping out and then you said in the video how that was a bad idea.. lol. I was trying to learn manuals this last weekend on my dirt jumper in an asphalt parking lot that was a bit more down hill than ideal. After 5 or so trips down the parking lot and barely getting my front tire off the ground due to fear, I remembered that I should be looking farther ahead and not head down looking at my front wheel. This made a huge difference and I hit balance point on my 3rd pull up on that next run (for about a second), which scared the crap out of me... I panicked, didn't think to try to use my break to bring the front wheel down, tried to bail off the back, fell forward due to my momentum, landing on my hands and knees and got a nice case of road rash on knees and palms... That was enough for one day... lol. Then I had to do the ride of shame back home with blood running down my shins....I went out and bought some knee pads and gloves for my next attempt after my poor knees heal.
Thank you for making this video. Since the day I saw the first one of these things I thought they were absolutely stupid. I can manual better than most.
Fascinating to get the persepctive of somebody who can manual. There is definatly a difference between the MM and a rolling manual. I can testify to this. I can "manual" on the MM easily for up to 1 min., however on the rolling bike I can't manual for 1 second, despite LOTS of practice. The MM is just a waste of time (& wood)!
the background is like a postcard
Excellent video! You have basically confirmed what I've always thought about manual machines... they don't actually teach you manuals.
I think it might help you get over your fear of lifting the front wheel, if that's a problem for you, and understanding about how high the front wheel has to get to reach your balance point so you have a target. You might also learn what that loop out point feels like to help you stay under it. That's probably all it does for you since the actual balancing part is totally different and for some that fear comes right back once you leave the manual trainer behind... I've seen several videos of beginners using them and getting the trainer down (probably using the break to cheat) and then they try to do a rolling manual and look like they are starting over completely from the beginning again.
Great video!! I've been working on the manual for a year now and can do a few meters but I'm deadly afraid of looping out so I always press the brake and come back down. I tried practicing looping out but fell on my butt and couldnt walk right for 3 days, so after that I stopped practicing looping out. I'm gonna use the manual machine to practice looping out but I'm still afraid.
genius！ full of creative
Love your backyard man.... a dream to have :) btw, nice video
For me it helped with my confidence. And getting the feeling of looping out etc. And get a slightly more feel to move my weight around. After an hour on a manual machine I noticed a big difference on trails etc. And got more comfortable with the front wheel up. Hills I would usually struggle to ride up due to front wheel lifting was not an issue anymore. I am better at lifting the wheel up on a trail when needed. Than I am just practising lifting it over bumps etc on a casual ride. My friend had the same effect after just an hour on it. So we are building on what it gave us
I had actually thought of the concept of a 2d manual machine before, but I'm a bmx rider. Maybe you could make a part 2 with a ''3d'' manual machine, because I have a design in mind that would allow potentially both wheels to spin(angular momentum also plays a factor in a manual) and the bike to move under you forward and back. My idea stems on the fact that bmx bikes have pegs. So you could drop both rear pegs into a groove that would let the rear tire sit in the air(or a spinablle track like a treadmill to simulate rolling resistance), then you could also pedal. The 3rd dimension comes from an idea of, instead of making the pegs sit/rotate in place, but letting them slide in a horizontal sort of track. in my original idea I only had the rear wheel in the "cradle", because it would add structural support. Let me know what you think about this.
I had almost this exact idea with pegs in some kind of channel when thinking about the problems of the manual machine and how to solve them. A true 3D machine that also adds yaw would be interesting as well.
Just go outside LOL
@@Dude-Smellmyhelmet I mean I'm already good at manuals, I just like engineering and stuff like this.
@@davisveidmanis4685 👍I gotcha. The machines are wierd
Really interesting! I built myself a manual machine a while ago and have got to a point where I can hold the bike for a very long time, with the chain off. I can NOT transfer it onto the road though! I can feel the balance point on the machine but whenever I try it on the road, it just doesn't work and I don't know why!
I have exactly the same experience! I could hold a manual for over 1 minute on the manual machine but achieved nothing on the road. Only after trying for months on the road, I can do a reasonable manual now. But it felt like starting from scratch. Only now, after watching this video, I understand why. The two ways to manual are more different than I expected. Most importantly: keep practicing!
@@paulvandervegt6770 I think that's the key to literally anything, practise!
I built one about 3 months ago could already wheelie both seated and standing the one thing that i found made it hard to manual on the machine was keeping the bars straight as with a wheelie you nearly alway turn the bars a tini bit i can now manual about 30 metres now the other point is the motion to get it up needs to be really smooth and you movement to maintain it is so small once u get the balance point , the strange thing i find is with my weight really low and back the front is not very high, and it is possible to manual with bent arms it just takes way more effort to hold so i think there a good thing forget the strap take of the chain and try not to use the brake and practice practice.
I love the fact that the dog bark has subtitles too😂
Well done. Much appreciated.
2:58 he be fking around
your vids are amazing, thanks again
You're like Crazy on Balancing it!😂
Its Hard to Move my Hips when Manualling but I can Loop Put Ezily!
what a beautiful place to practice the manuals
Bro i love ur content
Awesome and helpful video like always ...
great video as always mate. Love it.
zack fertig -fahrradständer :DD
super videos, hab dich gestern erst gefunden.
I came to the same conclusion on the manual machine - but now I wonder if it's possible to adapt the machine in a way to practice reverse nose wheelies? Just flip the bike around and have a rope that goes tight when you get the right position on the front wheel? Maybe for both, it's just best to practice them in real life instead of on a machine! haha :)
Tom Cardy has tried exaclty this in his manual machine video. Check it out!
@@sixtring73 Oh sweet, thanks for the heads up! I'll go check it now!
I didn't realize that the brace for the rear board also held the bike upright! That's a lot of stress on the wheel - I'm sure this would effect the wheel (need re dishing).
I guess it takes a 🇩🇪 to analyze and convey things clearly.
Well done Max!
Kannst du griffe fürs Street Trial empfehlen die gut sind ohne Handschuhe und am besten etwas länger halten
Ps. nices video 💪🔥
Ich mag die normalen Odi Longneck (nicht die Schraub-Version), aber Griffe sind Geschmackssache, würde ich sagen 🙂
@@TheUselessTrials okay danke die empfehlen auch sehr viele
Sind die zum Schrauben wohl nicht so gut?
@@Jonas_-ou3rs Ich mag sie, weil sie weich sind und die Schraub-Version ist weniger weich, weil die Gummi-Schicht viel dünner ist. An sich sind die aber auch gut.
@@TheUselessTrials ok danke für die Hilfe
Super Vids👍, was mich nur interessieren würde wäre wie lang du schon fährst?
Great video as always! Hey what version of the POC shin pads are those? The only one I've been able to find offer much less shin protection. Keep up the great work!
Thanks! They are called 'vpd 2.0 long knee'.
No rotational mass while standing still makes a lot of difference in the feel. As someone who couldn't manual a year ago and spend quite some time on the 2D manual machine over the winter I still stand by my word that it can help out quite a bit. Especially how to move your knees, either to the side and front to back. With chain on you can even isolate the sideway motion without worrying about the front to back motion.
Sehr schön
Hi,
First of all congrats for this great vid! I watched your manual tutorial at least a hundred times :)
You are right, a manual machine learns you a lot how to loop out and not to be afraid of it.
Indeed, trying on a manual machine is a bit harder at the beginning, but after a few months, it becomes a piece of cake.
Two things I disagree:
1. Of course there is a certain position where you feel relaxed on a manual machine. I can stay for minutes in that position. Example: ruclips.net/video/rREtlYtvBpQ/видео.html
2. You should never use the brake in order to learn it properly.
You should leave your dad learn on the manual machine at least for a few days in order to see a difference. And then, as you advised - he should try on a concrete smooth flat surface, not on grass :)
I first learned to manual on a BMX with brakes and a strap. I am strongly discouraging using them.
I also tried to balance sideways, but I would leave that to be practiced without any help.
I would recommend to always mix the real feel with the manual machine: Daily practice until being able to stay at least 30 seconds and then practice an hour on the street.
A freecoaster BMX is my recommendation because you don't have to get rid of the chain.
Here is my experience with the manual machine (no publicity was intended), I just want to share my thoughts:
ruclips.net/video/rREtlYtvBpQ/видео.html
Best of luck!
Would you ever make a nose dribbler tutorial??
Whats the green bike your riding?
Hey, cooles Video. Kurze Frage: nachdem ich die ersten Attempts von Deinem Dad gesehen habe, frag ich mich, ob die Maschine verwendet werden könnte, um einen guten bunny hop zu lernen, in dem man hochpoppen kann und wirklich den Lenker nahe zu den Hüften kriegt. Was denkst Du?
Absolut nicht. Du hast ja gesehen, was passiert ist, als ich einen Bunnyhop auf der Maschine gemacht habe. 😅
Geil! Du müsstest ein Laufband unter das Hinterrad bauen! 😏😅 Das wär 'ne coole Idee...
Hmm, I wonder if gyroscopics have anything to do with bicycles?
mate this is top tier shit
Inspired Fourplay?
Inspired Flow 22 inch
Finally somebody proves that manual machines are basically no good for learning how to manual. With a stationary bike you lose the gyroscopic effect of the wheels (the tendency of a rotating body to maintain a steady direction of its axis of rotation). That’s why the bike is steadier the faster you go.
can you do a video on how easy or hard it is to learn trials and your experience from knowing nothing to becoming amazing at it
Manual machine can improve your back muscles necessary to manual and bunny hopping
how about reverse manual machine for front endo turn?
sehr cooles video. deckt sich auch mit meinen Eindrücken
Wherever you live is incredibly beautiful wow
I could never see the point of using a manual machine.
Like you say, it's not the same feeling.
Totally agree I think it's much easier to just learn on the bike straight up
You speak German ? From where are you ?
hes from germany
I'd say it's harder rather than completely different because there's no forward momentum.. you can loop a bike out by yanking up while stopped or super slow easier than when you have a bit of speed
The main reason it's different is that no wheels are moving. Rotational mass adds a lot to stability. I practiced a lot on the manual machine during the winter and it helped quite a bit in programming my brain for the right movements.
I also find the 2D mode helpful since it teached me how to move my knees without having to worry about all movements at once.
The main difference is that the rear wheel, and therefore the whole bike, can move back and forth while rolling, in contrast to the bike only being able to rotate while on the machine, resulting in completely different dynamics.
When you're rolling, you and your bike are almost a closed system energy wise, pretty much disconnected from the ground for the back and forth movement. When the rear wheel is strapped in place, the result of the balance motions is a lot diffrent, because your body's speed starts changing independently from the bike.
Also, look at how much the front wheel moves up and down while on the machine. That's because it can only rotate, and not move as a whole.
Why the machine when you have that yard? Looks amazing