Excellent video, Steve! Thanks for making this. We all love learning new tricks! The reason we advocate routing the long hose on the outside of the tank is that we find it easier to re-stow the hose without removing the cylinder. On the other hand, the way you do it is definitely cleaner snag-free in an overhead environment. We can't wait to give this some in-water test. I will also share this pinned to the top of comment section of our video.
Thanks yes, I've seen others such as Ryan Custureri route the long hose to the outside for the same reason. Reducing snags is definitely a thing for overheads but I'd like to try that and see how it works and feels. I think either method can be accomplished smoothly with practice. Your cylinder choice plays a part... AL cylinders are easier IMO as they are relatively neutral to a little buoyant so you don't have to deal with the weight of steels.
This is a good method for Apeks DST 1st stage! Because its swivel turret is not 360 degrees and the Din thread is shorter. But for a full 360 degree swivel turret, using the default method at the beginning of the video, there is enough space for the long hose to be pulled out in the opposite direction. Anyway, it's a good video!
@@sidemountpros 😀 hope I can train with you in New Zealand some time too. After all flying from Kuala Lumpur to New Zealand is not that bad. Which part of nz are you at ?
I have never seen this and it makes a lot of sense. It's hard to find a massive difference in between the 2 methods as if your long hose neat and tidy on the outside, I don't see how that's posing a significantly bigger threat in overhead environments but great to know this. I hope one day you get Flowstate to your podcast, I had the opportunity to train with them and it was a life changing experience + what they do for the dive community is an absolute game changer.
Cheers Brandon, yes we are lining them up. I'm really keen to see them get through their sidemount series, that will give us a heap to talk about. They are setting a high bar for sidemount and I love their work.
Great video Steve, thank you!! I didn’t have this tip during my SM certification so I’ve been thinking which would be the right or wrong way of doing it… Yours seems good to me, will implement! Please keep up with the amazing work improving protocols for the sidemount world fans 😊👌
Great video Steve! I tend to dive with my longhose slightly inside. Just above the center line of my body due to me hating the way it feels pressed up against me. I love the sharing of ideas in sidemount. Keep up the good work mate.
This is how I was taught too. Works well, especially on Apeks DST first stages, since they can’t rotate 360 degrees on a valve. Audrey Cudel showed me her Scubapro first stages does rotate fully when on a tank so in that case both directions work. Whatever you pick, make sure to practice it plenty so you don’t have to figure it out in an emergency.
Worth watching for sure. This discussion "flowed" form the video but was just an observation. The video discusses sidemount and what it takes to be great.
Great video Steve. This is how I was taught as well when I did my sidemount class in Vancouver and also how they showed us at Protec in Tulum. I actually didn't know there was another way, so thank you for sharing.
Great video Steve, always surprises me how few people think ahead when planing their gear setup. Love your enthusiasm. On a sidebar, just arrived at your old stomping ground in Gozo - GTD. cheers
With MK25/similar first stages, you can rotate the turret the other way without snagging the hose on the neck of the cylinder.* *Provided you're using 12L steels/similar. Something for others to try with larger tins.
I'm surprised you said you learned sidemount in Mexico. Mexicans don't sidemount like what you often see in social media and what you display here; the cylinder rather perpendicular to the diver. They're _very_ streamlined sidemount divers. Then again, I've yet to meet s Mexican that wears a dry suit 😆. Either way, I too learned in Mexico, and I too wear a dry suit, and I too make sure im absolutely streamlined. The only time I think it's okay to wear your cylinder like this is if you're wearing a back mount rebreather where you're really not affecting your already huge profile.
Sorry, I've confused you with the method I used for the demonstration. You are correct, your cylinders should be aligned and in trim with your body. If you check out my many diving videos on this channel you'll see this is how I was trained, dive, and teach sidemount. I used a bench to hold the cylinder while I showed and explained the drysuit hose routing. Regarding drysuits in Mexico, a few years back you would not see a lot of drysuits but now this has changed and many of the top sidemount divers/explorers/instructors are diving dry. The Protec team are a good example. One last point... I take issue with Backmount divers not sidemounting and streamlining their stage/deco cylinders. This can be done and it is only bloody-mindedness that prevents them from streamlining their equipment and making huge improvements in their ability to move through the water efficiently!!
@@sidemountpros pure curiosity and not judgement. (As I've listened to all your podcasts like what you have to say, and have only just found your YT from Flowstate and subscribed.) But do you care to put an example video up of what you are referring when you say BMs are bloody minded in not streamlining their deco cylinders, and that it can be done better? I'm UK based (Rib and Hard-boat), and Normoxic with manifolded twin BM DIR style, so if there's a better way for me to handle my two additional deco tanks I'm all ears.
@@sidemountpros ps - I thought the video was self explanatory and obvious that you would be in trim in the water... And that you have to extrapolate the information given somewhat... I mean, who dives on a workbench...?!
Thanks Steve, very useful, especially for beginners. The routing can get confusing, and it's easy to develop bad habits. It would be nice if you could discuss the pros and cons of different SM hose configurations. For example, I trained with ISE, and I really like their bolt-snap configuration. The right regulator clips to the left shoulder D-ring, with no necklace, which I believe reduces the chance of hoses tangling over the shoulder... ruclips.net/video/gH0P11KMFDo/видео.htmlsi=gTaE_UvvzdcYhLqk
Hey yes and interesting topic. I used the "Toddy Clip" myself for a while after diving with Protec Sardinia. It is a very good idea. The Bogaerthian set-up of a right long hose and short hose on a necklace seeks to replicate the DIR backmount set-up and enable mixed teams to understand each other's equipment easily. I have yet to see anyone tangle hoses diving this way. The ISE method (I've seen this used in Australia too) seeks to enable the DIR principle of "Donate what you Breathe". This is a long, long, discussion and probably worthy of a whole episode on Speaking Sidemount. They use 2 x 1M hoses and can donate each side, then donate the cylinder. This forces AL cylinders and also makes one-handed reg switches difficult to not possible. There are always trade-offs, pros and cons. I'm happy in the knowledge that literally thousands of very good sidemount divers dive "Mexico Style" long hose plus short/necklace. That there is another way is not to stay it doesn't have merit. Whichever you choose, get trained, drill the skills and practice. Back to the Flowstare point of their video :). Cheers for your comment.
@@sidemountpros thanks for the explanation. Nice to know that it's a "Toddy Clip". Yes, not an issue having the short hose on a necklace, unless you want to donate it 😅. I do prefer the Bogearthian set-up since I dive a lot with 'recreational' divers, would be confusing if I donate a tank. I want to be flexible and proficient to dive in different teams. I really enjoy your pod-cast, but sometimes it does get confusing when you talk about configuration without visual references so your videos will be a great addition. Cheers!
Excellent video, Steve! Thanks for making this. We all love learning new tricks! The reason we advocate routing the long hose on the outside of the tank is that we find it easier to re-stow the hose without removing the cylinder. On the other hand, the way you do it is definitely cleaner snag-free in an overhead environment. We can't wait to give this some in-water test. I will also share this pinned to the top of comment section of our video.
Thanks yes, I've seen others such as Ryan Custureri route the long hose to the outside for the same reason. Reducing snags is definitely a thing for overheads but I'd like to try that and see how it works and feels. I think either method can be accomplished smoothly with practice. Your cylinder choice plays a part... AL cylinders are easier IMO as they are relatively neutral to a little buoyant so you don't have to deal with the weight of steels.
I always thought it was backwards, how I was taught in my side mount class to have the inflator hose OVER the long hose.
Great explanation!
It's the little things like this that really make a difference for us new guys. Great topic and well explained.
Cheers Steve :)
This is a good method for Apeks DST 1st stage! Because its swivel turret is not 360 degrees and the Din thread is shorter.
But for a full 360 degree swivel turret, using the default method at the beginning of the video, there is enough space for the long hose to be pulled out in the opposite direction.
Anyway, it's a good video!
True, though I find it easier to rotate the turret towards myself than away from myself. With Scubapro turrets you do have the choice.
Yes, quite right, thanks :)
Ah perfect video Steve! I trained with Audrey Cudel in Gozo this is how she does it and it is also what I noticed while in Tulum
Thanks, yes I spent some time working for and diving with Audrey a few years back. She's a master :)
@@sidemountpros 😀 hope I can train with you in New Zealand some time too. After all flying from Kuala Lumpur to New Zealand is not that bad. Which part of nz are you at ?
I have never seen this and it makes a lot of sense. It's hard to find a massive difference in between the 2 methods as if your long hose neat and tidy on the outside, I don't see how that's posing a significantly bigger threat in overhead environments but great to know this. I hope one day you get Flowstate to your podcast, I had the opportunity to train with them and it was a life changing experience + what they do for the dive community is an absolute game changer.
Cheers Brandon, yes we are lining them up. I'm really keen to see them get through their sidemount series, that will give us a heap to talk about. They are setting a high bar for sidemount and I love their work.
I should receive my drysuit this month. It will be very useful.thanks for sharing Sir
Great video Steve, thank you!! I didn’t have this tip during my SM certification so I’ve been thinking which would be the right or wrong way of doing it… Yours seems good to me, will implement!
Please keep up with the amazing work improving protocols for the sidemount world fans 😊👌
Great video Steve! I tend to dive with my longhose slightly inside. Just above the center line of my body due to me hating the way it feels pressed up against me. I love the sharing of ideas in sidemount. Keep up the good work mate.
Cheers Turk :)
This is how I was taught too. Works well, especially on Apeks DST first stages, since they can’t rotate 360 degrees on a valve. Audrey Cudel showed me her Scubapro first stages does rotate fully when on a tank so in that case both directions work. Whatever you pick, make sure to practice it plenty so you don’t have to figure it out in an emergency.
Spot on... good advice :)
I didn't see the flowstate divers video, I'll check it, but they way you teach is the one I'm using and teaching to my students.
Worth watching for sure. This discussion "flowed" form the video but was just an observation. The video discusses sidemount and what it takes to be great.
Great video Steve. This is how I was taught as well when I did my sidemount class in Vancouver and also how they showed us at Protec in Tulum. I actually didn't know there was another way, so thank you for sharing.
Great video Steve, always surprises me how few people think ahead when planing their gear setup. Love your enthusiasm. On a sidebar, just arrived at your old stomping ground in Gozo - GTD. cheers
Awesome, say Hi to Tom and Adel for me :)
Top, this is the way I learned it by TDI
Thanks Steve, good idea to share, as this is often misunderstood 👍🏽
Great tip Steve! Thank you!
Excellent video!!
With MK25/similar first stages, you can rotate the turret the other way without snagging the hose on the neck of the cylinder.*
*Provided you're using 12L steels/similar. Something for others to try with larger tins.
Yes for sure, I haven't dived them but I've seen Audrey using them. They're a good regulator and choice for that reason.
Can you provide link to the @flowstatedivers video you refer to?
ruclips.net/video/oZKpNtP5dJk/видео.html&ab_channel=FlowStateDivers
its the last video on their channel, can't paste in a link here unfortunately. They are great, check it out!
It means this one ruclips.net/video/oZKpNtP5dJk/видео.html
Here it is - ruclips.net/video/oZKpNtP5dJk/видео.htmlsi=EYZ0R-JrXTBmuJ-b
I'm surprised you said you learned sidemount in Mexico. Mexicans don't sidemount like what you often see in social media and what you display here; the cylinder rather perpendicular to the diver. They're _very_ streamlined sidemount divers. Then again, I've yet to meet s Mexican that wears a dry suit 😆. Either way, I too learned in Mexico, and I too wear a dry suit, and I too make sure im absolutely streamlined. The only time I think it's okay to wear your cylinder like this is if you're wearing a back mount rebreather where you're really not affecting your already huge profile.
Sorry, I've confused you with the method I used for the demonstration. You are correct, your cylinders should be aligned and in trim with your body. If you check out my many diving videos on this channel you'll see this is how I was trained, dive, and teach sidemount. I used a bench to hold the cylinder while I showed and explained the drysuit hose routing. Regarding drysuits in Mexico, a few years back you would not see a lot of drysuits but now this has changed and many of the top sidemount divers/explorers/instructors are diving dry. The Protec team are a good example. One last point... I take issue with Backmount divers not sidemounting and streamlining their stage/deco cylinders. This can be done and it is only bloody-mindedness that prevents them from streamlining their equipment and making huge improvements in their ability to move through the water efficiently!!
@@sidemountpros pure curiosity and not judgement. (As I've listened to all your podcasts like what you have to say, and have only just found your YT from Flowstate and subscribed.) But do you care to put an example video up of what you are referring when you say BMs are bloody minded in not streamlining their deco cylinders, and that it can be done better? I'm UK based (Rib and Hard-boat), and Normoxic with manifolded twin BM DIR style, so if there's a better way for me to handle my two additional deco tanks I'm all ears.
@@sidemountpros ps - I thought the video was self explanatory and obvious that you would be in trim in the water... And that you have to extrapolate the information given somewhat... I mean, who dives on a workbench...?!
@@LeeLeatherbarrow Yep, thanks :)
@@LeeLeatherbarrow Hey I get it. Tom Steiner at Gozo Technical Diving showed me this - ruclips.net/video/BxQS91wJvp4/видео.htmlsi=6VxBtc8_p0Yy9-rr
Thanks Steve, very useful, especially for beginners. The routing can get confusing, and it's easy to develop bad habits. It would be nice if you could discuss the pros and cons of different SM hose configurations. For example, I trained with ISE, and I really like their bolt-snap configuration. The right regulator clips to the left shoulder D-ring, with no necklace, which I believe reduces the chance of hoses tangling over the shoulder... ruclips.net/video/gH0P11KMFDo/видео.htmlsi=gTaE_UvvzdcYhLqk
Hey yes and interesting topic. I used the "Toddy Clip" myself for a while after diving with Protec Sardinia. It is a very good idea. The Bogaerthian set-up of a right long hose and short hose on a necklace seeks to replicate the DIR backmount set-up and enable mixed teams to understand each other's equipment easily. I have yet to see anyone tangle hoses diving this way. The ISE method (I've seen this used in Australia too) seeks to enable the DIR principle of "Donate what you Breathe". This is a long, long, discussion and probably worthy of a whole episode on Speaking Sidemount. They use 2 x 1M hoses and can donate each side, then donate the cylinder. This forces AL cylinders and also makes one-handed reg switches difficult to not possible. There are always trade-offs, pros and cons. I'm happy in the knowledge that literally thousands of very good sidemount divers dive "Mexico Style" long hose plus short/necklace. That there is another way is not to stay it doesn't have merit. Whichever you choose, get trained, drill the skills and practice. Back to the Flowstare point of their video :). Cheers for your comment.
@@sidemountpros thanks for the explanation. Nice to know that it's a "Toddy Clip". Yes, not an issue having the short hose on a necklace, unless you want to donate it 😅. I do prefer the Bogearthian set-up since I dive a lot with 'recreational' divers, would be confusing if I donate a tank. I want to be flexible and proficient to dive in different teams. I really enjoy your pod-cast, but sometimes it does get confusing when you talk about configuration without visual references so your videos will be a great addition. Cheers!
@@mattvish2591 Thanks mate, I have plans to do more :).