They should do a doc next on the millions of Americans who got worthless degrees from "reputable" universities and are now in massive debt. Our entire higher education system is a scam.
Every little thing that can be exploited for profit is fair game. It’s no longer about citizens trying to better themselves through college, taking care of their health or trying to buy a home or even renting an apartment-it’s all about companies making massive profits. That’s it. Freedom is over. Welcome to the United Corporations of America- Give me profits or give you death. 💲💲💲💲
They won't, this is a hit piece on alternative education to help protect established colleges. This is not a genuine "make the world better" piece. This is also obsolete and 12 years old, a lot has changed, and college is a lot less valuable now than it was 12 years ago.
I hold a PhD in mathematics from a traditional research university; I taught at Devry University for a few years, but quit after witnessing their high pressures recruitment of students who clearly lacked the basic skills that are required to be successful as students. Essentially, the only entrance requirement is a pulse ...
As a tenure track professor I can tell you one year the mean of the new doctoral students GRE scores was LOWER than that of the master students. You needed a pulse a minority status to get accepted into the PhD program. With a cohort of about 12 students we couldn't lose many before the doctoral program was potentially going to be cut. Identify politics like no ones business.
I had to tutor English composition (I AM NOT English speaking native) in university. Most students COULD NOT even put a paragraph together (jr/sr level). They were born here. This dude wont fix the problem either
@BartMesser-n1c as a Silicon Valley Engineer with prior Military Technical background (Submarine), from the late 80's I worked with Devry grads. #1 there has to be a market. A 4.0 from Embry-Riddle doesn't guarantee a career at NASA. #2 the individual matters. Success levels varied from bombing out, to field service, to design engineering to becoming a technical VP. Aptitude and Drive. #3 Luck and the right career track / Employer. I was extremely successful and never jealous of the DeVry kids. You get what you put into life. Contrastingly, 20 years later I was recruited by Lucent / Bell, and it was a miserable mistake. Once hired for a critical need, I didn't have the right (DEI now) "credentials" to "Fit in". One poster child they hired as an Assoc MTS LITERALLY shuffled his feet and mumbled. He excelled at sitting in meetings, cluelessly. After that debacle I returned to Silicon Valley. But I watched as "education" became an "Industry" and saw friends of my niece in the 2000's at DeVry who had NO Business pursuing a Technical degree. They were not Technically inclined, and in dire need of remedial coursework at CC level. This is symptomatic of failure in the public education system, and the family. You don't dare give precious Johnny a D+. Everything is on a Curve, or "attendance grades". It gives me the chills. Musk is decrying his restrictions on hiring competent foreign or foreign educated staff. Kids come out of the US domestic education machine today with a box of crayons, sitting in a cubicle, lost, saying "what do I do" ? Meanwhile software whiz kids are bypassing traditional college, self educating, and entering the workplace in higher markets at six figures. A company struggling to ramp (I don't want to disclose names) recently tried to recruit me to head & build a chip fab Equipment Engineering Dept. They can't find people to staff up. Thank you but no Thank You. America is no longer the dominant World leader in Tech that it was in the late 20th Century. Even the mighty Boeing and Intel are foundering. God help us.
As someone that worked for one of the four federal student loan servicers, I really hope this goes into detail about the complete back scratching between the schools and the Govt. Its a complete sham
I have no debt, but they took credit for my graduate Fulbright dissertation cotton polyphenol gossypol Microbiology pharmaceutical dissertation research proposal without paying or crediting me and retaliated and libeled me for reporting USA Swimming and military and police and churches and schools and universities and coaches and doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists profiting off of trafficking me and other children on videotape and photographed and harrassed by police and Jesuits and Freemasons for reporting abuse and libel and harrassment.
@@naianz to put simply any predatory lending that existed was taken over by the fed, not fixed by it. "Risk based assessments" are done with zero assessment of risk. Well qualified parents were told by schools they had to take Parent Plus loans that had high rates (10%+ and no ability to transfer). Low rates for college age students going for terrible degrees because they wouldn't expect payment back anyway.
@@naianz it's also frightening the amount of people that think they will qualify for an income based loan forgiveness. For non public workers it requires 20-30 years IN A ROW of qualifying below the poverty line. Any slipup and those deferred balances are capitalized and start generating even more interest. Pick a subject about it and it's a disaster with very little regard for why it's like that.
If i noticed corruption taking place and didn't say anything at that point I just as bad and the last three decades this world has turned upside down . And may never be right again there's so much corruption now days it seeps from every entity/ companies there is
This happened to my mother. She went back to school to get her Real Estate license, graduated, and even got hired on to a job with a reputable Real Estate Agency, but during the hiring process, they found that the school she attended wasn't accredited, and rescinded the offer. She had already had her picture published in the paper as an up and coming Agent and all. Poor woman.
I work with LA County Sheriff’s deputies. They now have to have a bachelor’s degree in order to be promoted to sergeant. Some of them enroll in on-line university programs and their spouses do the coursework and take the exams.
The course work could be done like that, however the actual exams are proctored and at least one camera is required, so it’d be rather tough to have a spouse do exams.
He saw an opportunity to seize millions of dollars in free money from the government and capitalized on it. The students were merely a conduit through which the money flowed.
I remember this came out when I entered community college. Everest College and University of Phoenix were aggressively trying to recruit students through cold calls and the classifieds. I am so grateful that I only had interest in attending public local colleges. This was the way to graduate without debt. Now, 20+ years later, students can earn a degree online from a reputable public college.
You aren't kidding about the aggressive tactics University of Phoenix used to use. 20 years ago while I was attending the local community college and working for an insurance company, a girl I worked with had expressed some interest in attending University of Phoenix. Apparently, she told them where she worked. So they used to call her almost daily trying to get her to register for classes. I would answer and say she wasn't available and they would start asking me how much the company would pay for employee tuition, etc. I told her to stay far away from that place.
I remember when this first aired on PBS. My heart goes out to those students who got stuck in mountains of debt and hope they eventually found fulfilling careers.
@@williamhaynes7089 If you went to college in the last 20 years or so, when we made it impossible for most students to graduate from state universities without crushing debt? Yes, and get the chip off your shoulder. If you went to college a million years ago when rich people paid serious taxes so you could have a lovely time in college and pay your way with a light low-wage job? Grow up and recognize how you've pulled the ladder up behind you.
@@litsci1877 No chip, just do see point in taxpayers picking up tab and 'erasing' debt when all of it will be right back 1 year later... Fix the problems and then i might support the handout.
@@williamhaynes7089 That's chip plus laziness, then, because (a) obviously you don't care about the burden people age 22-35 are struggling under now, you just want for you; and (b) you're apparently not paying attention to what DoEd's doing when it comes to, as you say, fixing the problems. And no, I'm not doing your homework for you, too many Bills in the world lazing around waiting for people to spoon-feed them. Lot of you guys also moaning about how the government isn't fixing this or that when in fact this is one of the most productive administrations I've ever seen. You're just not bothering with the deep dive into what the agencies are actually doing behind the politics, prefer lazy moaning.
I am a child of Asian immigrants who made it to the middle class. Because I’m not “poor” I didn’t get any financial aid but qualified for loans. I went to a public college for four years and have now acquired $100k of student debt. The first job I could get out of college only paid me $36k a year and my student loan payments were $1100 a month. Companies these days don’t want to hire anybody without a degree but still want to pay you like you didn’t earn one. That’s what’s messed up… it’s all messed up.
You paid way too much for your education. A little reearch beforehand would have told you that you chosen major didn't pay enough to suppor that much debt. You would have been much better off choosing a cheaper school, or even doing the first 2 years at a community college, to limit your debt load coming out of college. Then your degree might actually have been worth what you paid for it.
Worked at a for profit tech school as an IT personnel, I can honestly tell you that even teachers and faculty all jokingly called it "Grade 13". Not somewhere Id drop my money and expect employers to take me seriously.
It's this way in a lot of state colleges also. The reason it, the rich kids are going to "prep" high schools where they're graduating those at or near the 4-year-degree level. Then they go to Harvard etc. and go up from there. People are tracked by wealth in the US; it's almost a caste system and regular working-class or even almost all middle-class kids are not being educated in the first 12 years of schooling so that indeed, college becomes "grade 13". In Europe, where those dirty rotten socialists have things like cheap college and universal health care and actual social mobility, kids go to a final stage of what we call high school, called "gymnasium" where they emerge at 18 with the equivalent of a 2-year degree in the US. And they don't go into debt for life to do it.
@@alexcarter8807 as a European gymnasium is only for the rich. If your poor you’ll almost never sent there… there’s a big debate about this right now. Statistics clearly show that even if your parents are highly educated. They will still sent you NOT to gymnasium because it’s just not rich enough.
To those who are scamming, squatting peoples' houses, stealing, robbing, having a lot of kids, or demanding government handouts and getting rid of college debt... work! I'm 18 and worked my way up to Starbucks manager making $19.15 in N. Dakota, but some gets deducted because of Social Security which is unfair because there are a lot of people faking their disabilities like some of the people in My 600 Pound Life, and I'm hoping to one day take over Starbucks HQ and its 16K US locations and pay a minimum wage of $25 to all of the baristas because I was one too but it likely won't happen until I'm in my 50s. You don't see me as the next Angel Brown (search her name here) who has 17 children and demanded money from the government, living in someone else's house, breaking store windows in broad daylight to steal jewelry, assaulting and robbing the innocent, or demanding free money.
My son is 14, straight-A student, noted that he is surrounded by adults who spent many tens of thousands of dollars for degrees we don’t use, and asked me how I felt about his going to community college. I told him I support him 100%. There’s no guarantee that fancy degree will land you a fancy job; maybe a 50/50 shot, at best. It doesn’t matter what the degree is in, either, before the “just be smart picking your major 🙃” crowd shows up. If someone’s taking out the equivalent of a mortgage in debt, the odds of it working out had better be north of 95%, and they just aren’t. Get a two-year degree and see what jobs you can land. That’s the best advice. 👍
Great advice because I still see students being fed this idea that prestigious universities are so much better than state colleges and community colleges. Now that most jobs focus more on having 5+ years of experience on top of their degree, it is important to not be in debt.
For what? Why bother with a 2 year degree? Get a phd or don't bother. Do not waste 2 years gaining debt when you could be climbing the ladder somewhere. The correct advice is: get a trade or become an apprentice. You know. Real jobs.
I went to CC for my AA and then got my bachelor's at a state university with scholarships and small jobs (tour guide and RA) and only have 12,000 in school loans. That is the best way to do it now in my opinion.
He should be finding a job industry that is stable and growing in demand. Then find out what the average income is and what is required to land the job. There are a handful of directions to go to get a bachelors that will land him a great career that will allow him to pay back loans. If not go to trade school! I wanted to do social work but realized they are poorly paid and quickly pressured to get a masters for not much higher salary. I became a nurse and half way done with my masters which has been payed by my employer. Key 🔑 is don’t get sucked into getting a degree that is worthless on your resume!
@667 I wanted to go for social work too and dropped out when I discovered I needed a masters.. to get paid pennies. No thanks. Finding your passion and starting a small business is the ultimate American dream. My oldest is doing it, so far so good. He thinks of college as a time wasting, wage slave activity, and he would be correct.
Yeah, all those high school counselors out there. My high school had one counselor for 1,200 students. How many times do you think we sat down for a chat about college?
It's actually quaint you think this only applies to "for profit" colleges. The overwhelming majority of student debt is now held by those that attended $50,000+ a year colleges and were given worthless degrees.
This is so sad. I have a niece who went to Heald finished and graduated with thousands of dollars in loans. She didn’t get a decent job and had to go to junior college. Those loans from heals has effected her financial aid. That education was worthless, it couldn’t be transferred to the local junior college. Don’t go to these schools. Just attend your local junior or state college. My niece has since graduated junior college and transferred to a state college. But heald had her take out so much in student loans it’s effecting her Financial aid at the state college. It’s really sad something needs to be done.
As someone who has attended a for profit college, an ROP/CTE program through an adult school, and traditional public schools/community college, I can tell you that the public school is much better quality. I felt like people in charge of my program at the for-profit didn’t know what they were doing running a program and it showed that they only knew how to run a business. It showed. The turnover of instructors was ridiculous. In the public schools I saw that they were held to a standard and would face significant consequences for not meeting expectations for the state.
Yes, absolutely Breanna. Almost all community colleges are Accredited by a Regional Accrediting Agency. Not true of a for profit. The education you receive at a typical community college is roughly the equivalent of the first two years at a 4 year college. Very equivalent. However, at a for-profit it's a whole different story all together. Most are very lacking in quality.
I concur that a public university like UCLA and others are held to a higher standard and therefore accountable. Private non-profit schools like Emory University and others also offer a lot of bang for your bucks.
My only caution about community colleges is that some of their courses towards associates degrees don't transfer to 4 year universities. I was going to get an AA and my counselor encouraged me to do so and said all my credits would transfer. I'm glad I did my homework because when I looked at their curriculum against that of the potential schools I would transfer to, many of the core classes for the AA wouldn't transfer. I ended up doing only gen eds at the CC which all transferred and took all my specialized core credits at the school I transferred to. I was in my first semester of CC when I found out the classes wouldn't transfer so I only lost out on one class. I was ultimately able to transfer it as an elective. The CC wants people to graduate with an AA as it boosts their numbers and funding. A transfer student is equivalent to a dropout on the books because they didn't finish their degree. CC is a great place to start.and cost effective on getting your degree regardless of how far you want to go. If all you want/need is a two year degree or certification go for it. If, however, you plan on a bachelor's, master's, doctorate, be sure to plan accordingly so you attend school for the highest quality education at the lowest possible cost. Best of luck!
You are correct. I was hired to teach at Kaplan U in the aughts and got out of there as fast as I got in, because it was a straight-up scam, and the people in charge were clearly a bunch of goons. Academia has a lot to answer for, but in general, at a real college or university, the people in charge are very well-educated and know what school's supposed to look and sound like. "Business" is a very polite way of describing the for-profits -- if you figure a three-card monty artist is a businessman, then sure, it applies.
Lol. He would not qualify to rent an aparment without cosigner. Why he gets student loan? Simple. He does not get direct access to money. Only school and investors do. What can go wrong when investors get money while poor student is hooked for life?
Because a loan for school is an investment in education and self improvement, and from investors perspective it's low risk, high return. Would you lend a 17-18 yo fresh out of high school without no knowlege of personal finance 10k a year? How many 17-18 yo you know have a viable bussiness idea? Personal loan? Bussiness loan? To buy cool car and expensive clothing?
@@HevaNaisdey You meant BUSINESS. Any case, huge scam. Pay to be "educated" & pay 50-100-150K be indebted to this loan for the rest of my life in some cases, then find a job to pay that off... Lol. Don't need to pay for education these days when u can educate yourself for free. Thank you.
@@SurajGupta_3D I should also note that life expectancy is over a decade higher in the US than in India. And that doesn't even get into quality of life.
@@jimwerther The US falls back by a lot in term of education. This changes the way our country progress. Falling back on education doesnt mean the US is worst than India. It simply means that the longer this keeps going on, eventually other countries will get better faster than ours.
I hope they do a story on public universities. Overly lavish facilities and administrative bloat paid for by sky high tuition, crony text book rip-offs, and parking fees. I'd rather have affordable classes in a barn. However, I'm an old fart and am not the demographic they target.
Truth. I'm also older, nearly 50 years old. I've been attending college off and on for 30 years now. I have several degrees all from public universities. I have a lot of respect and affection for my colleges and I also donate to them annually. However, what you say is truth about the lavish facilities and rip off textbooks. And don't forget their ridiculous athletic programs and Greek life. If the young kids and their cancel culture want to cancel something - football and sororities would be a good start!
Exactly! And my Mother was in early childhood ed for over 25 years, paying for much of her needed supplies herself and having no pension or benefits, not even sick pay....while the office downtown has a huge top-heavy cadre of overpaid "administrators" and consultants.
The use of universities changed in ways that don't make sense anymore. Originally universities were meant for the best and brightest thinkers, places of heavy research. Great minds came in and out. The prestige and distinguished nature of these institutions made them very desirable. They became a rite of passage for the most privileged in our society. Regular people just got jobs instead. Today it is more like 4 extra years of high school at an insane amount of cost.
Old fart here too. However, sent my kids to public college and am kind of pissed that 40% of my hard earned money went to sports and entertainment. Hell I wish there was a way to tell them to shove the sports and entertainment and just deliver the education and get the kids out in three years instead of four. Add to that this mafia forces the out of town kids to live on campus the first year to justify the palaces they build for housing where the $$/SQF of living space is twice what it would be anywhere else. Add to that the fact that the professors work half what the professors did back in my day. All homework is assigned via Internet and checked by a third party and tutorials are online, and the student has to pay for the access to those third party resources. FINE, then, if Dr. XYZ is not writing homework, is not checking problems, is not providing personal assistance, then why the professors are not getting half the pay? My kids will be the first to admit their education was not equal to the one I received back in the 1980s.
I graduated high school in 2003 and ended up enlisting in the army in hopes of a debt-free college education. It didn't pan out, destroyed my body and my family will never recover. This is part of how so many of us ended up homeless here, and propaganda also teaches us to view everyone on the street as criminals, druggies and lazy people who want to be there instead of work. 'The American Dream' died here long ago- welcome to the Techno-Feudalism Era! Learn self-sufficiency as soon as possible, comrade.
This is what you get when you let Milton Freidman's "Greed is good" philosophy dominate your society for almost 50 years. It was madness when it was first suggested. It was madness when they gave him the fake Nobel Prize for economics (Yes its not a real Nobel). It was madness when Regan and Thatcher adopted what he said an gave the world Reaganomics and Thatcherism. The top 1% are psychotically greedy. There's no other basic way to describe them. No they have done this. This is just the latest of "Greed is good."
My community college cost $1000 tuition for my associates degree. You can get into welding, construction, water treatment, mechanics, nursing and biotechnology at a California community college. Today tuition is around $4000.
I really hope Frontline does a follow up to this. 12 years later and student borrowers have organized, lots of these schools have failed some are still publicly traded. There are several lawsuits against the DOE at the moment over predatory student loans. I am involved with a few.
This is why it gets me so angry when people say that student loan forgiveness would only help the privileged middle class that doesn't need it. The people hardest hit by student loans are these poor people preyed upon by for-profit colleges in the hopes they might be able to learn a marketable job skill.
@@jakebredthauer5100 So people should be impoverished for life because they picked the wrong school or wrong major? Even when they were trying to just do what they were told was the right thing to do (get marketable job skills), but mislead by predatory companies masquerading as colleges?
@@mikeydude750 I am more concerned about the depression poverty and death then I am about the shortage of college graduates. Those students may have a tort claim for fraud. So, do you want the United States to pay for it? Because they were responsible and liable? Should we subsidize stupidity?
I have a Master’s & don’t get paid nearly enough to make up for the price of the degree I’m still paying back. Students, only obtain a degree that will yield a great salary, go to a trade school or pursue a certification.
@@ellencooney5563 It's easier to blame the college for fooling you into getting the useless degree and even easier to ask the government to erase the debt. It's way more difficult to work your ass off to pay the debt you put yourself in. Most people always choose the easy way out. I know what you are talking about. I worked hard, too, and I am now debt free ... but we are a minority.
I think most master's degrees are vanity degrees. And I say this as someone who has a masters degree. But it rarely pays off. I think a lot of people get them so they can say they have a masters degree. I'm a tax accountant, so I needed a minimum of 5 years of college which is why I obtained it. But I make the same as accountants who obtained 150 college credits without ever stepping foot in grad school. So far, it has been my degree with the worst ROI. But, hey, I can tell everyone I have a masters degree. LOL
Based on what i am seeing in the job market, a college degree does not seem to matter as much to employers as it did when i graduated college in 2004. I think this shift in thinking about college degrees will continue to slide that direction
There is a growing number of large, tech-oriented companies that no longer require college degrees of applicants. The group includes Google, Apple, Tesla, Netflix, and IBM. To be fair, many of these companies job reqs do require a degree. But the companies themselves have dropped these requirements.
@@csn6234 They don’t care about degrees if the applicant is white, but if they’re applying to become an engineer they’ll definitely need a degree from a top school and India obvi.
@@csn6234 thats mostly for software though, where you can get code wizards who haven’t been to college and are just total prodigies at what they do. For them, college would have just been a total waste of time. I’d say they make up less than 10% of SW developers though. Most other things Engineering require the degree. And theres a lot of graduates who have both the degree AND real world skills that are competing for those top jobs.
I tend to agree unless you are a top student at the university with proven and legitimate leadership or academic successes. The cream of the crop will always find success. Recruiters are trained to know the real deal vs. frat boys/sorority girls who partied for 4 years, did the bare minimum with a 2.75 gpa without any accomplishments. They know!
I have friend that fell into this trap. She was lured into the hopes of a better career, by a sleazy sales person at a for profit school. Because of her work load, the need to balance family, and her inability to understand her post college prospects, she had to drop out. Now she is $80,000 in debt, and has her wages garnered, in order to pay her debts. She now has a minimum wage job, and she will never pay back her debts. With all of this, she still thinks that it’s 100% her fault. She fails to see the systemic exploitation, that took advantage of her. This is also common in the economy at large. Many people believe that it’s 100% their fault when they fail to thrive in the greater economy. There are many factors in success and failure when it comes to the economy as a whole. Since the American culture values self determination, and failure is often seen as personal, rather than a societal failure at large.
Do not be so smug. The united states was a much more liberal place when it won ww2 and these benefits you are enjoying are from our new deal principles.
@@wokeeye6441 Seems more like your old deal. Under the guise of fighting communism, they took all your social rights away, while your people were happily cheering, and yelling at the nasty commies. Now you just have deductibles, mortgages, credit and your hilarious 401k plans. On the other hand, we didn't wait for Roosevelt to build a social system, we actually fought the right wing and all the attempts of the USA to have a hold on our social and economic system for as long as we could. And we had strong left movements to balance the liberal right that wanted to deregulate our economy like they did for yours.
@@merovmerov7631 No. The left wing was strong in our country. Left wing economics anyway and they in no way viewed left wing economics as communism. That came later with neoliberalism. I think that is what you mean when you say you defended your social programs from the USA. that was Reaganism, Thacherism and the end of the new deal.
I took the military route used my GI Bill with zero student loans, school got paid upon starting a new semester went to junior colleges and state university for my BA. Advised other vets to stay away from these schools that this documentary showing that their degrees are too risky and may not guarantee a viable employment option
It's difficult to do well in a dynamic economy that runs on easy money policies and low interest rates. You can do the homework and pick a great program at a respectable university with big name companies at job fairs. My friends still lost their engineering jobs when the oil market tanked. There are people who do well after graduation. The college degree is not for everyone or even a silver bullet to success. Trade skills are in demand and could be a fast path towards a career. I would have picked it instead of the five years in engineering college.
When someone pressures you to buy something, ask yourself what the urgency is. Simply because there has to be something in it for them. It's hysterical how the lobbyist for the for-profit college machine can't stop blinking!
Having attended both Everest College and the University of Phoenix, I am drowning in debt and find my education (such as it is) worthless and am unable to transfer any of my earned credits because my school wasn't accredited and the credits worthless. I was unable to finish my degree because I could never get enough financial aid despite only working part time and having an income of less than $30,000/year.
Damn, I finished college and paid my tuition without taking out a loan; I am grateful that I was able to finish without debt, but I took a year off after highschool and another after community college to work and save up a little and still got some help here and there by paying little to no rent. Paying for college is no laughing matter. I graduated at the age of 25. I would have graduated sooner, but with more debt. I hope the best for anyone trying to make it through college without amassing a lot of debt, it's hard but it teaches you a lot about yourself and builds character.
That's what I did. Worked a yeAr. Lived out on my own paid my own bills. I had a few scholarships from high school. I went a class or two at a time near by. I didn't bother with basic English 101 etc for quite awhile. I took job skill classes. I worked my way thru school. Eventually I had to take 18 months off for nursing school n only worked on saturdays
I’ve graduated from Grand Canyon university. My sister told me yesterday that GCU is a Accreditation Status: Candidacy, meaning it’s not a accreditation college. Candidacy means that it’s not a accredited institution remember we are just talking about the program it’s self not the school this is what my sister texted me yesterday, because I wanted to attend a college for my masters degree in New York. My sister is also at GCU as wel. And I’m extremely anxious that my credits aren’t going to transfer to a college I want to attend to for my masters degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling.
They were later investigated and fined for paying enrollment advisors based on how many students they recruited. The lenders weren't predatory, the schools were (they recruited students to get federal aid $$, in some cases never dispersed the money to students). Under Betsy DeVos, the feds allowed far too many shenigans and shady acquisition deals to go on.
@@pattamadaiksivaswami9454 This is obvious. On the other hand, it satisfies a certain curiosity to see, in hindsight, if the issues featured in these Frontline docs from a decade ago have changed, or if they’ve stayed the same. What have we learned?
I've been touring college campuses with my oldest daughter and they certainly not hurting for money. I'm seeing lots of new stadiums, student unions, libraries and college run coffee shops in every building. It was a lot more Spartan when I went to school 20 years ago and tuition was a fraction what it is now.
Totally amazing. I am 78, retired and escaped to South America. Because of my career in law, psychology, computer science and accounting, I am addicted to education. Classes are my entertainment. But I take all my online classes through colleges and universities I have actually attended over many years. If I am just entertaining myself, I am not picky. If I am looking for new views on my career areas, I want a college and/or university with a very good reputation. For those still working, your resume is highly considered, when applying for a job at good companies, by the schools you have attended.
I am a high school teacher and I discourage any student to stay away from any for profit schools. They are extremely expensive and in the end, you learn nothing. I know of these schools recruiting people from off the streets(homeless drug addicts) to attend their schools. They are only interested on the money that they will be getting form the gov't. They are nothing but a waste of time and money. It's pretty much purchasing a diploma. Most businesses don't take these schools seriously. And the loans that you end up paying is not worth it. It's disgusting. They are primarily situated in low income neighborhoods.
most college "students" are drug addicts. the world knows of our "healthcare" systems massive overprescribing of dextroamphetamine to well off kids who dont have ADHD but a personal problem with having never had to actually take care of themselves in a functional manner before college..
Totally agree with you. I and 2 friends were enrolled in that pyramid scam like type of school. Sad part the government support colleges like that will billions. of taxpayers.$$$
I’m so glad that I could see thru the college scam as a young high school student. I knew several people who went to college just because they had been told to go their whole life, and got worthless pieces of paper that they ended up not using, yet we’re still responsible for paying back hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. College is fine if you’re going for a specific field, such as being a Doctor, or something similar, but I think trade school is the way to go, and it’s what I did. I know so many people with degrees they’ve never used, and tons of debt for nothing.
You're only focusing on the career aspects of a four-year university education and missing everything else that's learned and experienced during that period, in and out of the classroom. It's anti-intellectualism, a long-time plague in America.
I went to school for my LPN/LVN at a public school in the ghetto because it was free and part time worked with my schedule. Became a nurse fhen bridged over to RN 1 year later for free as well at a public school and my BSN online. Never understood why people would put themselves in debt for a job. Just not worth it.
wow i feel so bad for those nursing students- as a nurse myself i am astonished they never stepped foot in a hospital as a student. Pediatric rotation was in a daycare! I remember my pediatric rotation was in a peds icu & it was tough!They paid 30,000 for that education! I am not all ‘sue happy’ but they deserve a full refund. That school failed them!
my question is, how do they get away without a clinical requirement? i think in most states, you have to have x amount of hours in clinicals to graduate. where is the board of nursing for that state? this is so dangerous (i’m addition to harming nursing students themselves)!
@@yetanotherpwdtoremember that is a good question! for sure. I am wondering if the school used their bogus clinical experience i.e. ‘the daycare’ as clinical hours. I am not sure as every state has different requirements. But it’s definitely a good question. I wonder if anyone else has any thoughtful insight to how this happened & were qualified to take their boards.
I’m a mental health therapist and I couldn’t imagine graduating grad school without seeing clients. Especially the second year, that was the majority of your day! It boggles the mind what they were doing
I laughed at hearing they did psychiatric rotations at a museum of scientology (hahaha) and pediatric rotations at a daycare. I am tempted to say I wouldn't hire them anywhere too, they are too dumb. They should have known that was not right. They should have questioned it there and then and start suing the school.
I went to a community College for My ADN and I went to one big hospital for all my clinical, ICU, med surge, TELE, NICU, labor and delivery and my two years less than 30k. I feel so bad for them, I feel the pinch now when I went for my RN-BSN at a for profit college and for my MSN, the process of them trying to have you as a student is astonishing, they pushed so much and before you know it, you are enrolled.
I agree. You might also like their documentary on a similar subject, though I apologize that I don't have the link for you. It's about how colleges are going after military veterans and their G.I. Bill money.
If at all possible go to community college where the credit hours are cheaper and transfer them to a 4-year university that will accept them all. That’s usually a public college. Be a working student, take fewer classes per semester, go to school year round, and pay as you go. This will lower the amount of money you borrow.
The class/caste system in the US has come to largely overshadow education anyway. Pushing college for everyone is pure salesmanship, but in my case I really was "college material" and I tried my best as everyone urged me to. "You're smart; you should go to college". Sadly, it doesn't matter how smart you are, if you were born on an unfortunate square on the race/class/wealth chessboard in the US, college will not only not make you any richer or more socially mobile, but it will actually make you quite a bit poorer.
Nobody tells you this. But being a College Student is a lifestyle. If you're already poor. You'll even be more when going full time 12 Credit hours. And I don't know why but most Scholarships are only given to those that go full time to school. Why can't you go part time and still get the Scholarship??? Why???
Well said. I can agree with all of this. I don't regret getting a BA and I'm planning on starting a MSW program in the fall. However, my life would be much different if I had a more stable family. So many people ignore the pervasive caste system that we're all part of.
Well, when you have that attitude, do you think success will fall in your lap? I'm not saying to "grind" lol. I'm telling you that you are defeating yourself with that mindset. I got a degree from a good school. It got me a job. I didn't have to borrow money because I chose a school where I got a scholarship. College does pay off, with an asterisk. Nothing in life is guaranteed.
@@jakebredthauer5100 yes because every other developed nation is bad! Dude, have you ever lived overseas in one of these countries… well I have and it’s wonderful being able to actually LIVE and stay alive AND I’M NOT RICH! Keep listening to corporations because their bottom line is 💵💵💵 not you!
I agree with you. Frontline has been giving their sponsors more air time and have shortened their theme music drastically! Listen to an episode from 5 to 10 years ago and the intro is the full version, epic theme tunes they used to share with us.
I notice that. I’m a commercial property manager with 20 years experience. I won’t get an interview at some companies but someone with a quarter my experience but has a biology degree will get the interview/job. What does biology have to do with building and real estate, nothing. lol!
A subsequent Frontline documentary (A Subprime Education in 2016) covered the eventual collapse of the college scams. And recently - on June 1st - the Dept. of Education forgave nearly 6 billion in student loans from the Corinthian College chain of for-profit bogus schools. I would say something snarky about born-again religious people like the fellow featured here, but it had nothing to do with religion at all. Just soulless greed. And some, like Grand Canyon, may well be legitimate. Good job, Frontline, for sticking with this one!
The United States government has spent ridiculous amounts of money on higher education. The students have spent ridiculous amounts of time in college and other schools. The number of homeschool students doubled in one year because of low quality schools. Mark Twain said, do not let schooling get in the way of your education.
@@jakebredthauer5100 Yet the ridiculous amount the federal government spent on primary school education after the launch of Sputnik paid off pretty well. Is it how much that's spent or simply how? And Twain could make a joke like that. Great writers have little to gain from higher education 😉
@@BlueBaron3339 Primary and secondary public schools have gotten his country into the deplorable condition that it is in. Mark Twain was right. Never let schooling interfere with your education. If you calculate $10,000 per student per year for 13 years that would be more than 1/4 million dollars for only two students. That is well below the average amount.
There is a very large "market" of gullible Americans who turn off their faculties at the sound of the word "Christ" or "God". Many thuggish investors get a kick out of deceiving and exploiting the poor and hopeful trying to buckle down and better themselves. We need a debt jubilee in this country, there are too many good people with negative net worths and utter monsters with billions.
i just left a job of nearly 7 years at a for-profit nursing college. nothing has changed since this was first aired 12 years ago. students are being way overcharged for the quality of these programs. accelerated nursing programs terrify me now; as we move through the pandemic and a nursing crisis (which is basically because we have for-profit health care in addition to for-profit education), we will see fewer nurses adequately prepared for the field, more errors resulting in harm or death, increased turnover. and that doesn't even begin to address the harm done to *students* financially and emotionally. the truth of the matter is that for-profit schools will always be driven by how many students are admitted, retained, graduated, and employed. these were metrics we watched like hawks and i wasn't even in admissions. accreditation just seems pay-to-play; i'd love to see more investigation into that. soooo many problems with for-profit schools. PLEASE avoid them at all costs. there are other ways to get an education and hopefully soon, that education will be free. education should not be about profit.
I'm older so I can remember days before we had physician assistants and nurse practitioners. Now days it's hard to actually get seen by an MD, as they want to pawn you off on an NP or PA. I guess this was their answer to the doctor shortage. There's no way you can compare the education and training an MD has to a PA, etc. Healthcare is definitely not what it was 30 years ago. Doctors offices also used to be one stop shops. You could go in and get everything done in office (xrays, labs, pharmacy). Now you have to drive 5 different places to get it all done.
nurses can start working before they even have one year of education. thats a big reason why im absolutely terrified of getting anything major or minor done in a hospital anymore. 12 ish years ago when i was in and out of hospitals often, i wasnt having good experiences, so i can only imagine it being far worse now. there's no lack of people who want to do that type of work, there is a major lack of opportunity for them to do so tho. imagine if we made medical school free, how much better the quality of care would be for everyone involved. it just feels gross knowing most of the people getting into it and practicing it today, are pretty much only there for the money you get for relatively easy work (compared to doing 3+ actions per second for hours on end)
I would love to have Frontline look into private universities that are non-profit yet charge enormous prices for tuition. For example, schools in Chicago that provide doctorates that are private non-profits will charge over 50,000 a year in education.
I spent to better part of 10 years in a California State Prison. During that time I wrote every CC, CSU & UC in California, I found a program at San Francisco State called Project Rebound. When I was released I attended classes there and earned my Bachelors. I now have a solid career, own my house, and have two cars. During the documentary the for-profit school admin said they exist because people that aren't in the upper class or the upper middle class can't get an education without them. I completely disagree with that assessment. When I was released I only had 200 USD and no job but I was able to get an education without the for-profit industry.
I haven’t gotten a second of use out of my degree. Going to college helped me socially more than anything. I spent the majority of my time in high school avoiding people and spending every night alone in my bedroom, or watching Jeopardy with my parents. It wasn’t ideal. I went to college and midway though my first year I started talking to and spending time with tons of people, mostly females. It just snowballed. It was like high school me died. Would I do it again? Probably. I mean, my visual communications degree is close to useless. I’d pick a different major, but I’m thankful for what college did for me socially.
Honestly I feel like college should be used more for people who want to learn more and be in more intellectual works instead of being something you need to work in a normal jobs. Trade school can be for that
Yeah, I resonate with that. College helped me a lot socially and I gained skills like conflict resolution with roommates and learning to build relationships with people different from me. I personally think education should always be holistic (engaging both intellectual and social) but that’s just me
@@tonyc223 Whatever people think of Pence as he was Trumps puppet for 4 years, it took alot of courage for Pence to do what he did when he gave his signature at the capitol after the election. Trump was like the 4th grade snarling grinning bully in the playground with a mob threatening to hang his classmate if he didnt hand over his lunch money.
The trades are good alternatives to college. I have been doing Electrical for over 20 years and the economy has seen a lot of ups and downs. I have not missed a beat and I have kept my overall debt very low.
My daughter was persuaded that her master's degree in education from Phoenix U. would garner her teaching positions in the Phoenix public school system. It didn't. And yes, she has student loan debt from that scam. But then again, she did not do her due diligence. My favorite quote about everything American: "Is the F...ing you are getting really worth the F...ing you are getting?" Typically the answer is, "No".
@@stevenzerbach6447 Ah that's why. Had she gotten a bachelors from a University like ASU then gotten the masters from Phoenix she could have done a teaching job. What I realize is when you get a bachelors from a brick and mortar university, it doesn't matter where you get your masters from.
This is part of a more growing issue in the U.S. -> corporate power. Corporations control the government through lobbying, writing the very bills these politicians take their local and federal houses. In terms of student loans - the federal government can very much, and without a lot of difficulty, erase student loans. Nearly every single study and research case not only backs this up, but also advocates for erasing student due to the positive effects it would have on the growth and welfare of the country as a whole. It's such a uniquely American problem - radical capitalism. It's called debt servitude or bondage labor. Similar to serfdoms in the middle ages. Student debt is the easiest for universities and the government to capture, and the hardest, most difficult debt to be rid of. All of this is tied to an increasingly unregulated system of education, corporatism, low wages and punishing working schedules for employees without any benefits, increasing inflation in goods, services, and housing, and a growing attitude of apathy from politicians because they're paid off and/or invested in the very corporations handling student teaching and student debt. Stephen King would have struggled to write such a sinister and evil story line! Want to solve the problem? It's called accountability. Sprinkle in some socialism as college is a benefit to all of society and advances a people forward into the future.
Yes, but you used the word Socialism so now everything you said will be dismissed. Socialism is such an ugly word for Americans that they would rather shoot themselves in the foot than have any of it.
I mean if they can just print fiat with low interest rates near 0, then just forgive student loans already. The dollar is not even worth the paper its inked on now anyways.
In the Southeastern US, College attendance is quite low ATM. I do building automation work at many of the state schools in my area and they are all low on students. I think people are starting to see through the "you must go to college" mantra. I make more than my wife, she has a degree in finance and works a great job. I make more than most of the people in my area minus the doctors, lawyers, and offshore oil workers. I don't have a college degree and have mostly self taught myself the skills I needed to excel in my career. Went from crawling around in attics installing AC systems to programming automation systems completely without college. It is possible my friends!
Need to be extremely careful with these colleges. My gf is in a union and they offered free tuition. At first we thought there had to be a catch so we researched and talked to people who went through the program and it was legit. School is accredited but anytime you see or hear free do your diligence.
I had a friend that worked at a school called National American University..she worked in enrollment..she was told she HAD to get so many students per day per week, otherwise she'd lose her job...that is THE issue with allowing capitalism into education..anytime a company has shareholders, they are gonna put profits above EVERYTHING ELSE..
The problem with a lot of higher Ed institutions (for-profit & not-for-profit) is many are not really addressing real market demands. As a result, they have to aggressively market their services with lies and falsehoods. If you couldn't sell cough syrup, imagine telling everyone your cough syrup would make them successful, then hiring drivers to bring it to their homes, hiring marketing teams and sales people and raising your prices to account for all your new costs and aggressively pursuing those who qualified for gov't aid. Then, as millions of people became trapped in debt for purchasing your cough syrup, calling this the American dream.
@@QVUTDN There's a national shortage of nurses, but for colleges to respond to this need by producing more nurses, this would require expensive investment in clinical labs, nursing instructors (who could make a lot of money as nurses themselves), and expensive contractual agreements with healthcare providers to get their students crucial practical experience through clinical rounds. Its much easier for colleges to increase enrollment in less resource hungry disciplines like business, communications, liberal arts or anything requiring little more than additional classroom seating, adjunct professors and more marketing material for advertising. After all, producing additional nurses for a society that needs them does much less for each college than providing more sociology majors (who pay nearly the same in tuition and board). But the level of risk is much higher.
Everyone with the disposition and aptitude to move on to higher education should have the opportunity. The way it has turned into a big business with all concerns related to profit and not education is shameful. So many deserving students will never get a shot at college simply because it's too expensive.
These schools prey on a lot of people who do not have the aptitude. Those with the best aptitude prove it with high grades in high school, and are accepted into real colleges and universities. Those who don’t have the ability should receive vocational training in high school, but our Department of Education and the “woke” decided everyone was supposed to go to college, which is ludicrous. Most people aren’t college material.
@@Alphacentauri819 My comment was to point out the similarities of capitalist issues between health care and education here, not to dismiss how screwed up either domain was.
I have a fear of those who are born again. In my experience they are going to cost me money or try and indoctrinate me. That is a sad state of affairs to those who really wish to spread the gospel.
I feel 😪 you are right...my thoughts also. May send our kids for one year to challenge the school to not exclude danceteam athletes 🙏 As by doing this makes 🔥Danceteam members feel disrespected 😬 Fuels some ideas and also confusion as to women's rights....? recent Supreme Court Rulings against a womens right to choice is anti Christian. It is not what Jesus would want for our society....such control! Such hate towards women from proclaimed Christian men need to be discussed politely....😉 🔥 This ruling was heart breaking and being called a baby killer and these hateful slogans from LU kids...the hate toward others opinions that are not of the same faith...these recent event really brought out division and I think as long as LU no longer requires any religion classes other than a World Ethics class 1 semester... GCU is the same.
I feel so sorry for the young lady at 38:00, Dr.Hafferkamp. This happened to me and my dad. I was a PhD student at Kennedy Western University (now closed down 06' ). We both took out student loans. I was ABD when the school lost their accreditation bid. 😭💔💸 My dad eventually went to Harvard Kennedy school and earned a master's in International policy. I earned a doctorate of health education from A.T. Still University in 2012. We paid off our loans from KWU. Higher education is a HUGE RISK!
There are two issues: first, demand for college education is artificially driven by the "everyone needs a college degree" message that has been pushed (at least in the US) for the past few decades. Many of the students who succumb to this pressure would be better served by a trade school approach where they work while going to school. That approach both reduces debt and puts market pressure into the college education system by limiting degrees to what are actually needed. Second, the schools have *zero* skin in the game: they have every incentive to bury a student under a pile of debt. If the schools were forced to underwrite the student loans there would be an economic feedback loop that would prevent them from providing worthless degrees. The solution definitely is *not* forgiveness of student debt and/or free college. The market response is clear: these degrees are not worth the cost, therefore forcing taxpayers to pay for them is not a good use of the public's dollars. The problem is not too much reliance on markets and profit incentives, the problem is that's not being allowed to happen because of artificial demand and schools' lack of economic incentive to provide meaningful degrees.
You’re forgetting that most higher paying jobs require degrees if not experience or both. Also, paying off student loan debt may be beneficial to the economy, since rather than paying 1 trillion in debt with interest, thats 1 trillion that can be spent to purchase goods and services, but that doesn’t eliminate the issue of college costs
Your answer is essentially that it's too bad for those who got screwed over but we can't help them because of "the market." This country really is filled with sociopaths and morons.
One of the smartest comments I've read in a long time bro. Sadly my worry is because of debt and now inflation education becomes after thought. We need education and higher learning whatever form it takes.
Think it’s going to be difficult to decide what degrees are “needed”. People should be able to do what they’re interested in and doctoral programs are needed as we do need and want experts in many fields. Restricting what degrees are available is not an answer. But yes….getting rid of lavish facilities and other excess costs….is a good place to start.
The education you get at a community college is way better than a for-profit college! And the best part is that it cost way less than these for-profit.
I'm all for colleges making a profit, but why do they have no risk when the student assumes all the risk with government backed student loans. If they can make all that profit, then they can assume the risk of a loan not being paid back.
Not everyone belongs in college in the same way that not everyone can be a good welder. Joining GCU's basketball team won't make you taller. If you belong in college then you can practically go anywhere and chances are better than not that you'll be successful. Otherwise, learn a trade that's needed and you'll also likely find success.
There's a large number of tradesmen too. Not everyone is cut out to be a plumber or electrician or driver either. And those professions are not good for parenting. People in them work crazy hours. It's hard to take off. Not everyone is safe going into strange people's homes. Especially women. People like you simply do out value education outside of vocational training and want to prevent others from having an education
The litmus test for legitimate college programs have always been the admissions requirements. These schools capitalize on potential students looking to avoid the ACT, SAT, GRE, GMAT, MCAT or LSAT testing/qualifying scores.
I was skimming through the comments looking for one such as yours. Yes! Admission requirements!! Where are they at these so- called colleges? The FEDS could easily tie funding to ACT and SAT scores. They don't necessarily have to be high, just SOMETHING.
Boy, am I glad that I am from Québec. For a total of CDN$3,500.00 in tuition, I graduated from an accredited, reputable, internationally recognized university with my Bachelor's and Master's degrees in 2006, 7 years of quality post-secondary education. For an additional CDN$4,200.00 in tuition, I graduated from an internationally recognized 4-year programme, at a "sister" Ivy-League law school in 2010 with 2 law degrees that are recognized in Canada, the Atlantic states in the U.S., in the United Kingdom, in France and at the International Court at the Hague. Both institutions are in Montréal, and both tuitions were manageable with part-time jobs. I had no student debt when I graduated and went into the professional labour force.
My father was a former police detective and assistant district attorney. He explained to me that 'psychologically speaking' (not morally, of course) the victim of the scam is a willing participant because the scammer flashed something the victim wants but sees the scammer as the only way to get what he wants for the effort he is willing to make.
As a large user of both public and private for profit universities, I can tell you it is all about doing your research, pricing your degree, and weighing your likely outcomes with them. College degrees are meant to open doors by establishing your achievements, sadly they do very little in the way of actually educating you. Like most education, it is what you put into it. Do you do all your homework, do the practice problems, actually participate in discussion groups? Then you will likely learn a lot and hopefully get to use it. Did you simply cram the night before the test, get a friend to help you with the online tests? Then you learned little. . . I frankly believe you can learn an amazing amount from Khan Academy for free. But back to college, accreditation is also very important. My son was looking at Full Sail University, which MAY be a very good university, located next to Orlando Florida. However I could not get complete answers on the regional and national accreditation of the program. I also went to visit while in Florida and could not find a main office or even someone to talk to, though it was on the weekend. Look, if you have a job lined up after college it doesn't matter if you go to Bob Jones University. However if you need to build on to the degree with another one, or needing a specific accreditation to get a job then it is vital to look before you leap. My heart does go out to people who get caught up in high pressure sales school with bogus degrees, because that is wrong. I must advise people though that you are the only one who is solely looking out for your interests and that if you are ready to sign up for 100K of debt you truly owe it to yourself to make a few calls, read a few review sites, ask around about what your actual hiring chances are. All those these days are free and online. Good luck future students!
Colleges need to do a better job at finding student jobs after they graduate. It's the least they can do for taking twenty year Olds for tens of thousands of dollars.
I feel for those students. They all hoped that education could eventually improve their financial situation. They never expected to jump out of the frying pan and end up in the fire.
Same thing happened to me back in 1991 when I graduated. Now, I've got to care for my bedridden mother, so can't work. When the time comes for me to go back to work, I'll be lucky to get a job at McDonald's.
They should do a doc next on the millions of Americans who got worthless degrees from "reputable" universities and are now in massive debt. Our entire higher education system is a scam.
I would love to see that!!
If you only focus on the “worthless degrees”
The entire system is a scam? No. There are parts of HE that are inefficient and poorly managed, but not all parts.
Every little thing that can be exploited for profit is fair game.
It’s no longer about citizens trying to better themselves through college, taking care of their health or trying to buy a home or even renting an apartment-it’s all about companies making massive profits.
That’s it. Freedom is over. Welcome to the United Corporations of America- Give me profits or give you death. 💲💲💲💲
They won't, this is a hit piece on alternative education to help protect established colleges. This is not a genuine "make the world better" piece. This is also obsolete and 12 years old, a lot has changed, and college is a lot less valuable now than it was 12 years ago.
I hold a PhD in mathematics from a traditional research university; I taught at Devry University for a few years, but quit after witnessing their high pressures recruitment of students who clearly lacked the basic skills that are required to be successful as students. Essentially, the only entrance requirement is a pulse ...
As a tenure track professor I can tell you one year the mean of the new doctoral students GRE scores was LOWER than that of the master students. You needed a pulse a minority status to get accepted into the PhD program. With a cohort of about 12 students we couldn't lose many before the doctoral program was potentially going to be cut. Identify politics like no ones business.
I had to tutor English composition (I AM NOT English speaking native) in university. Most students COULD NOT even put a paragraph together (jr/sr level). They were born here. This dude wont fix the problem either
@@BartMesser-n1cIn that case, they don't have both pride & humility. It is as if it's too easy to gain a graduate degree.
@BartMesser-n1c as a Silicon Valley Engineer with prior Military Technical background (Submarine), from the late 80's I worked with Devry grads. #1 there has to be a market. A 4.0 from Embry-Riddle doesn't guarantee a career at NASA. #2 the individual matters. Success levels varied from bombing out, to field service, to design engineering to becoming a technical VP. Aptitude and Drive. #3 Luck and the right career track / Employer. I was extremely successful and never jealous of the DeVry kids. You get what you put into life. Contrastingly, 20 years later I was recruited by Lucent / Bell, and it was a miserable mistake. Once hired for a critical need, I didn't have the right (DEI now) "credentials" to "Fit in". One poster child they hired as an Assoc MTS LITERALLY shuffled his feet and mumbled. He excelled at sitting in meetings, cluelessly. After that debacle I returned to Silicon Valley. But I watched as "education" became an "Industry" and saw friends of my niece in the 2000's at DeVry who had NO Business pursuing a Technical degree. They were not Technically inclined, and in dire need of remedial coursework at CC level. This is symptomatic of failure in the public education system, and the family. You don't dare give precious Johnny a D+. Everything is on a Curve, or "attendance grades". It gives me the chills. Musk is decrying his restrictions on hiring competent foreign or foreign educated staff. Kids come out of the US domestic education machine today with a box of crayons, sitting in a cubicle, lost, saying "what do I do" ? Meanwhile software whiz kids are bypassing traditional college, self educating, and entering the workplace in higher markets at six figures. A company struggling to ramp (I don't want to disclose names) recently tried to recruit me to head & build a chip fab Equipment Engineering Dept. They can't find people to staff up. Thank you but no Thank You. America is no longer the dominant World leader in Tech that it was in the late 20th Century. Even the mighty Boeing and Intel are foundering. God help us.
As someone that worked for one of the four federal student loan servicers, I really hope this goes into detail about the complete back scratching between the schools and the Govt. Its a complete sham
Would love to hear more about this
I have no debt, but they took credit for my graduate Fulbright dissertation cotton polyphenol gossypol Microbiology pharmaceutical dissertation research proposal without paying or crediting me and retaliated and libeled me for reporting USA Swimming and military and police and churches and schools and universities and coaches and doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists profiting off of trafficking me and other children on videotape and photographed and harrassed by police and Jesuits and Freemasons for reporting abuse and libel and harrassment.
@@naianz to put simply any predatory lending that existed was taken over by the fed, not fixed by it. "Risk based assessments" are done with zero assessment of risk. Well qualified parents were told by schools they had to take Parent Plus loans that had high rates (10%+ and no ability to transfer). Low rates for college age students going for terrible degrees because they wouldn't expect payment back anyway.
@@naianz it's also frightening the amount of people that think they will qualify for an income based loan forgiveness. For non public workers it requires 20-30 years IN A ROW of qualifying below the poverty line. Any slipup and those deferred balances are capitalized and start generating even more interest.
Pick a subject about it and it's a disaster with very little regard for why it's like that.
If i noticed corruption taking place and didn't say anything at that point I just as bad and the last three decades this world has turned upside down . And may never be right again there's so much corruption now days it seeps from every entity/ companies there is
He really asked "What makes education so special?"
That right there said it all.
that comment blew my mind the audacity to say that .
Yeah! Self serving response. Capitalism rules.
This happened to my mother. She went back to school to get her Real Estate license, graduated, and even got hired on to a job with a reputable Real Estate Agency, but during the hiring process, they found that the school she attended wasn't accredited, and rescinded the offer. She had already had her picture published in the paper as an up and coming Agent and all. Poor woman.
She should sue.
That’s crazy
luckily you only need ike a 3 week class to get it and she could try again!
They don't have to keep her that's reality
Lies again? Say Ciao USD SGD
I work with LA County Sheriff’s deputies. They now have to have a bachelor’s degree in order to be promoted to sergeant. Some of them enroll in on-line university programs and their spouses do the coursework and take the exams.
So wrong, gross. I guess the sergeant in Uvalde Texas was one of them 😂
😂
That's about as ethical as I would expect a police officer to be
The course work could be done like that, however the actual exams are proctored and at least one camera is required, so it’d be rather tough to have a spouse do exams.
That explains a lot.🤨
Make no mistake about it, Clifford’s “passion” isn’t education, it’s making money and it sounds like it’s coming from us, the taxpayers.
Yeah honestly. The way he talks, he just continually swapped out one addiction for the next
Stop the funding.
He saw an opportunity to seize millions of dollars in free money from the government and capitalized on it. The students were merely a conduit through which the money flowed.
@@jamesdupre9985
Now the US has a 1.7 trillion dollar student loan liability. Stop the funding.
Dude has very thinly veiled “Im an asshole and proud of it”-vibes.
I remember this came out when I entered community college. Everest College and University of Phoenix were aggressively trying to recruit students through cold calls and the classifieds. I am so grateful that I only had interest in attending public local colleges. This was the way to graduate without debt. Now, 20+ years later, students can earn a degree online from a reputable public college.
Those schools are shitty.
You aren't kidding about the aggressive tactics University of Phoenix used to use. 20 years ago while I was attending the local community college and working for an insurance company, a girl I worked with had expressed some interest in attending University of Phoenix. Apparently, she told them where she worked. So they used to call her almost daily trying to get her to register for classes. I would answer and say she wasn't available and they would start asking me how much the company would pay for employee tuition, etc. I told her to stay far away from that place.
@@kensmith2796 wow!!! Thats crazy
That is so true. You have to do your research and homework to get a online degree. True facts.
@@KevinLeMelle yes state schools online are the best ROI.
I remember when this first aired on PBS. My heart goes out to those students who got stuck in mountains of debt and hope they eventually found fulfilling careers.
They need more than your hope. They need your support of the federal wipeout of their loans.
@@litsci1877 I paid my loans off by delivering pizzas... do i get my money back too in your handout?
@@williamhaynes7089 If you went to college in the last 20 years or so, when we made it impossible for most students to graduate from state universities without crushing debt? Yes, and get the chip off your shoulder. If you went to college a million years ago when rich people paid serious taxes so you could have a lovely time in college and pay your way with a light low-wage job? Grow up and recognize how you've pulled the ladder up behind you.
@@litsci1877 No chip, just do see point in taxpayers picking up tab and 'erasing' debt when all of it will be right back 1 year later... Fix the problems and then i might support the handout.
@@williamhaynes7089 That's chip plus laziness, then, because (a) obviously you don't care about the burden people age 22-35 are struggling under now, you just want for you; and (b) you're apparently not paying attention to what DoEd's doing when it comes to, as you say, fixing the problems. And no, I'm not doing your homework for you, too many Bills in the world lazing around waiting for people to spoon-feed them. Lot of you guys also moaning about how the government isn't fixing this or that when in fact this is one of the most productive administrations I've ever seen. You're just not bothering with the deep dive into what the agencies are actually doing behind the politics, prefer lazy moaning.
I am a child of Asian immigrants who made it to the middle class. Because I’m not “poor” I didn’t get any financial aid but qualified for loans. I went to a public college for four years and have now acquired $100k of student debt. The first job I could get out of college only paid me $36k a year and my student loan payments were $1100 a month. Companies these days don’t want to hire anybody without a degree but still want to pay you like you didn’t earn one. That’s what’s messed up… it’s all messed up.
Nuts.
Biden's America
you probably picked a terrible major on top of that though
@@Zenocius this has been going on for about 20 years - bidens america???
You paid way too much for your education. A little reearch beforehand would have told you that you chosen major didn't pay enough to suppor that much debt. You would have been much better off choosing a cheaper school, or even doing the first 2 years at a community college, to limit your debt load coming out of college. Then your degree might actually have been worth what you paid for it.
Worked at a for profit tech school as an IT personnel, I can honestly tell you that even teachers and faculty all jokingly called it "Grade 13". Not somewhere Id drop my money and expect employers to take me seriously.
That's the thing, it's worthless to employers.
It's this way in a lot of state colleges also. The reason it, the rich kids are going to "prep" high schools where they're graduating those at or near the 4-year-degree level. Then they go to Harvard etc. and go up from there. People are tracked by wealth in the US; it's almost a caste system and regular working-class or even almost all middle-class kids are not being educated in the first 12 years of schooling so that indeed, college becomes "grade 13". In Europe, where those dirty rotten socialists have things like cheap college and universal health care and actual social mobility, kids go to a final stage of what we call high school, called "gymnasium" where they emerge at 18 with the equivalent of a 2-year degree in the US. And they don't go into debt for life to do it.
@@alexcarter8807 as a European gymnasium is only for the rich. If your poor you’ll almost never sent there… there’s a big debate about this right now.
Statistics clearly show that even if your parents are highly educated. They will still sent you NOT to gymnasium because it’s just not rich enough.
Then what is it's purpose?
To those who are scamming, squatting peoples' houses, stealing, robbing, having a lot of kids, or demanding government handouts and getting rid of college debt... work! I'm 18 and worked my way up to Starbucks manager making $19.15 in N. Dakota, but some gets deducted because of Social Security which is unfair because there are a lot of people faking their disabilities like some of the people in My 600 Pound Life, and I'm hoping to one day take over Starbucks HQ and its 16K US locations and pay a minimum wage of $25 to all of the baristas because I was one too but it likely won't happen until I'm in my 50s. You don't see me as the next Angel Brown (search her name here) who has 17 children and demanded money from the government, living in someone else's house, breaking store windows in broad daylight to steal jewelry, assaulting and robbing the innocent, or demanding free money.
My son is 14, straight-A student, noted that he is surrounded by adults who spent many tens of thousands of dollars for degrees we don’t use, and asked me how I felt about his going to community college. I told him I support him 100%. There’s no guarantee that fancy degree will land you a fancy job; maybe a 50/50 shot, at best. It doesn’t matter what the degree is in, either, before the “just be smart picking your major 🙃” crowd shows up. If someone’s taking out the equivalent of a mortgage in debt, the odds of it working out had better be north of 95%, and they just aren’t. Get a two-year degree and see what jobs you can land. That’s the best advice. 👍
Great advice because I still see students being fed this idea that prestigious universities are so much better than state colleges and community colleges. Now that most jobs focus more on having 5+ years of experience on top of their degree, it is important to not be in debt.
For what? Why bother with a 2 year degree? Get a phd or don't bother. Do not waste 2 years gaining debt when you could be climbing the ladder somewhere. The correct advice is: get a trade or become an apprentice. You know. Real jobs.
I went to CC for my AA and then got my bachelor's at a state university with scholarships and small jobs (tour guide and RA) and only have 12,000 in school loans. That is the best way to do it now in my opinion.
He should be finding a job industry that is stable and growing in demand. Then find out what the average income is and what is required to land the job. There are a handful of directions to go to get a bachelors that will land him a great career that will allow him to pay back loans. If not go to trade school! I wanted to do social work but realized they are poorly paid and quickly pressured to get a masters for not much higher salary. I became a nurse and half way done with my masters which has been payed by my employer. Key 🔑 is don’t get sucked into getting a degree that is worthless on your resume!
@667 I wanted to go for social work too and dropped out when I discovered I needed a masters.. to get paid pennies. No thanks. Finding your passion and starting a small business is the ultimate American dream. My oldest is doing it, so far so good. He thinks of college as a time wasting, wage slave activity, and he would be correct.
This video needs to be sent to all high school counselors so they can warn all their students about these for profit colleges.
I think the counselors would be in on it also. , or would be drawn in ..
Yeah, all those high school counselors out there. My high school had one counselor for 1,200 students. How many times do you think we sat down for a chat about college?
It's actually quaint you think this only applies to "for profit" colleges. The overwhelming majority of student debt is now held by those that attended $50,000+ a year colleges and were given worthless degrees.
This is so sad. I have a niece who went to Heald finished and graduated with thousands of dollars in loans. She didn’t get a decent job and had to go to junior college. Those loans from heals has effected her financial aid. That education was worthless, it couldn’t be transferred to the local junior college. Don’t go to these schools. Just attend your local junior or state college. My niece has since graduated junior college and transferred to a state college. But heald had her take out so much in student loans it’s effecting her Financial aid at the state college. It’s really sad something needs to be done.
The interviewer asking the right questions is excellent
As someone who has attended a for profit college, an ROP/CTE program through an adult school, and traditional public schools/community college, I can tell you that the public school is much better quality. I felt like people in charge of my program at the for-profit didn’t know what they were doing running a program and it showed that they only knew how to run a business. It showed. The turnover of instructors was ridiculous. In the public schools I saw that they were held to a standard and would face significant consequences for not meeting expectations for the state.
Yes, absolutely Breanna. Almost all community colleges are Accredited by a Regional Accrediting Agency. Not true of a for profit. The education you receive at a typical community college is roughly the equivalent of the first two years at a 4 year college. Very equivalent. However, at a for-profit it's a whole different story all together. Most are very lacking in quality.
I concur that a public university like UCLA and others are held to a higher standard and therefore accountable. Private non-profit schools like Emory University and others also offer a lot of bang for your bucks.
My only caution about community colleges is that some of their courses towards associates degrees don't transfer to 4 year universities.
I was going to get an AA and my counselor encouraged me to do so and said all my credits would transfer. I'm glad I did my homework because when I looked at their curriculum against that of the potential schools I would transfer to, many of the core classes for the AA wouldn't transfer. I ended up doing only gen eds at the CC which all transferred and took all my specialized core credits at the school I transferred to. I was in my first semester of CC when I found out the classes wouldn't transfer so I only lost out on one class. I was ultimately able to transfer it as an elective.
The CC wants people to graduate with an AA as it boosts their numbers and funding. A transfer student is equivalent to a dropout on the books because they didn't finish their degree.
CC is a great place to start.and cost effective on getting your degree regardless of how far you want to go. If all you want/need is a two year degree or certification go for it. If, however, you plan on a bachelor's, master's, doctorate, be sure to plan accordingly so you attend school for the highest quality education at the lowest possible cost. Best of luck!
@@Albacore877 I like how bucks is plural.
You are correct. I was hired to teach at Kaplan U in the aughts and got out of there as fast as I got in, because it was a straight-up scam, and the people in charge were clearly a bunch of goons. Academia has a lot to answer for, but in general, at a real college or university, the people in charge are very well-educated and know what school's supposed to look and sound like. "Business" is a very polite way of describing the for-profits -- if you figure a three-card monty artist is a businessman, then sure, it applies.
How can a 17-18 year old kid find a loan for school, but can’t find a personal or business loan? 🤔
Lol. He would not qualify to rent an aparment without cosigner.
Why he gets student loan? Simple. He does not get direct access to money. Only school and investors do. What can go wrong when investors get money while poor student is hooked for life?
Because a loan for school is an investment in education and self improvement, and from investors perspective it's low risk, high return. Would you lend a 17-18 yo fresh out of high school without no knowlege of personal finance 10k a year? How many 17-18 yo you know have a viable bussiness idea? Personal loan? Bussiness loan? To buy cool car and expensive clothing?
@@HevaNaisdey You meant BUSINESS.
Any case, huge scam. Pay to be "educated" & pay 50-100-150K be indebted to this loan for the rest of my life in some cases, then find a job to pay that off... Lol. Don't need to pay for education these days when u can educate yourself for free. Thank you.
Once again, moral of the story is: Don't go to private, for-profit schools.
Public state universities aren’t for profit? Really??!!
Moral of the story is, if it sounds too good to be true, that's exactly what it is. Stay away!
The government money
is what made them bad.
There aren't any public, for-profits schools. If a school is for-profit, it is by definition private.
@@ThomasFromTN Wow. The stupidity is strong here🤦♂️
The fact that students in US have to take massive loans just to get good knowledge is sickening and disgusting
And yet somehow I don't see people rushing from the US to India; quite the opposite. Why would that be?
@@jimwerther that is a good thing, we want our childrens to go to school without having fear of getting shot anyway 😂
@@SurajGupta_3D
And yet somehow I don't see people rushing from the US to India; quite the opposite. Why would that be?
@@SurajGupta_3D
I should also note that life expectancy is over a decade higher in the US than in India. And that doesn't even get into quality of life.
@@jimwerther The US falls back by a lot in term of education. This changes the way our country progress. Falling back on education doesnt mean the US is worst than India. It simply means that the longer this keeps going on, eventually other countries will get better faster than ours.
I hope they do a story on public universities. Overly lavish facilities and administrative bloat paid for by sky high tuition, crony text book rip-offs, and parking fees. I'd rather have affordable classes in a barn. However, I'm an old fart and am not the demographic they target.
Truth. I'm also older, nearly 50 years old. I've been attending college off and on for 30 years now. I have several degrees all from public universities. I have a lot of respect and affection for my colleges and I also donate to them annually. However, what you say is truth about the lavish facilities and rip off textbooks. And don't forget their ridiculous athletic programs and Greek life. If the young kids and their cancel culture want to cancel something - football and sororities would be a good start!
Exactly! And my Mother was in early childhood ed for over 25 years, paying for much of her needed supplies herself and having no pension or benefits, not even sick pay....while the office downtown has a huge top-heavy cadre of overpaid "administrators" and consultants.
The use of universities changed in ways that don't make sense anymore. Originally universities were meant for the best and brightest thinkers, places of heavy research. Great minds came in and out. The prestige and distinguished nature of these institutions made them very desirable. They became a rite of passage for the most privileged in our society. Regular people just got jobs instead. Today it is more like 4 extra years of high school at an insane amount of cost.
@@airix10 💯
Old fart here too. However, sent my kids to public college and am kind of pissed that 40% of my hard earned money went to sports and entertainment. Hell I wish there was a way to tell them to shove the sports and entertainment and just deliver the education and get the kids out in three years instead of four.
Add to that this mafia forces the out of town kids to live on campus the first year to justify the palaces they build for housing where the $$/SQF of living space is twice what it would be anywhere else.
Add to that the fact that the professors work half what the professors did back in my day. All homework is assigned via Internet and checked by a third party and tutorials are online, and the student has to pay for the access to those third party resources. FINE, then, if Dr. XYZ is not writing homework, is not checking problems, is not providing personal assistance, then why the professors are not getting half the pay?
My kids will be the first to admit their education was not equal to the one I received back in the 1980s.
He was not looking for another opportunity. He was looking for another victim
This was filmed in 2010. Let’s get an update for 2022! My feelings are it’s probably not much better
Yes It's gotten a little better.
Why do you think they re-released on YT?
I was just thinking that
Good old USA how this is even legal is beyond me. Absolutely disgusting
The government cannot even afford to spend all that money without causing inflation.
I graduated high school in 2003 and ended up enlisting in the army in hopes of a debt-free college education. It didn't pan out, destroyed my body and my family will never recover. This is part of how so many of us ended up homeless here, and propaganda also teaches us to view everyone on the street as criminals, druggies and lazy people who want to be there instead of work. 'The American Dream' died here long ago- welcome to the Techno-Feudalism Era! Learn self-sufficiency as soon as possible, comrade.
Capitalism at its finest
This is what you get when you let Milton Freidman's "Greed is good" philosophy dominate your society for almost 50 years. It was madness when it was first suggested. It was madness when they gave him the fake Nobel Prize for economics (Yes its not a real Nobel). It was madness when Regan and Thatcher adopted what he said an gave the world Reaganomics and Thatcherism.
The top 1% are psychotically greedy. There's no other basic way to describe them.
No they have done this.
This is just the latest of "Greed is good."
@@glossjunkies6026
Socialized education, socialism.
It is becoming normal in this country.
My community college cost $1000 tuition for my associates degree. You can get into welding, construction, water treatment, mechanics, nursing and biotechnology at a California community college. Today tuition is around $4000.
I really hope Frontline does a follow up to this. 12 years later and student borrowers have organized, lots of these schools have failed some are still publicly traded. There are several lawsuits against the DOE at the moment over predatory student loans. I am involved with a few.
This is why it gets me so angry when people say that student loan forgiveness would only help the privileged middle class that doesn't need it. The people hardest hit by student loans are these poor people preyed upon by for-profit colleges in the hopes they might be able to learn a marketable job skill.
The reasons why they should have the schools pay back the loans. Certainly not fair for the students because of the CEOs of greed.
We don't want loan forgiveness because we don't want the government paying for everything.
They have a choice.
Both joining such schools and putting in the work to maximize their degree after.
@@jakebredthauer5100 So people should be impoverished for life because they picked the wrong school or wrong major? Even when they were trying to just do what they were told was the right thing to do (get marketable job skills), but mislead by predatory companies masquerading as colleges?
@@mikeydude750
I am more concerned about the depression poverty and death then I am about the shortage of college graduates.
Those students may have a tort claim for fraud.
So, do you want the United States to pay for it? Because they were responsible and liable? Should we subsidize stupidity?
I have a Master’s & don’t get paid nearly enough to make up for the price of the degree I’m still paying back. Students, only obtain a degree that will yield a great salary, go to a trade school or pursue a certification.
So true
I paid my loans ... worked 70 hour weeks to do it... the game is rigged. Find the loopholes.
Not really. Only go to public universities and gain an engineering or real life applicable degree.
@@ellencooney5563 It's easier to blame the college for fooling you into getting the useless degree and even easier to ask the government to erase the debt. It's way more difficult to work your ass off to pay the debt you put yourself in. Most people always choose the easy way out. I know what you are talking about. I worked hard, too, and I am now debt free ... but we are a minority.
I think most master's degrees are vanity degrees. And I say this as someone who has a masters degree. But it rarely pays off. I think a lot of people get them so they can say they have a masters degree. I'm a tax accountant, so I needed a minimum of 5 years of college which is why I obtained it. But I make the same as accountants who obtained 150 college credits without ever stepping foot in grad school. So far, it has been my degree with the worst ROI. But, hey, I can tell everyone I have a masters degree. LOL
Based on what i am seeing in the job market, a college degree does not seem to matter as much to employers as it did when i graduated college in 2004.
I think this shift in thinking about college degrees will continue to slide that direction
There is a growing number of large, tech-oriented companies that no longer require college degrees of applicants. The group includes Google, Apple, Tesla, Netflix, and IBM. To be fair, many of these companies job reqs do require a degree. But the companies themselves have dropped these requirements.
@@csn6234 They don’t care about degrees if the applicant is white, but if they’re applying to become an engineer they’ll definitely need a degree from a top school and India obvi.
@@csn6234 thats mostly for software though, where you can get code wizards who haven’t been to college and are just total prodigies at what they do. For them, college would have just been a total waste of time. I’d say they make up less than 10% of SW developers though.
Most other things Engineering require the degree. And theres a lot of graduates who have both the degree AND real world skills that are competing for those top jobs.
I tend to agree unless you are a top student at the university with proven and legitimate leadership or academic successes. The cream of the crop will always find success. Recruiters are trained to know the real deal vs. frat boys/sorority girls who partied for 4 years, did the bare minimum with a 2.75 gpa without any accomplishments. They know!
@@csn6234 Agreed but they are still hiring talent, not average Joe’s
I have friend that fell into this trap. She was lured into the hopes of a better career, by a sleazy sales person at a for profit school. Because of her work load, the need to balance family, and her inability to understand her post college prospects, she had to drop out. Now she is $80,000 in debt, and has her wages garnered, in order to pay her debts. She now has a minimum wage job, and she will never pay back her debts. With all of this, she still thinks that it’s 100% her fault. She fails to see the systemic exploitation, that took advantage of her. This is also common in the economy at large. Many people believe that it’s 100% their fault when they fail to thrive in the greater economy. There are many factors in success and failure when it comes to the economy as a whole. Since the American culture values self determination, and failure is often seen as personal, rather than a societal failure at large.
garnished NOT garnered
What was your major??
When i see this, i'm so glad to live in Europe, where education and healthcare is not something that depends on your wealth.
Do not be so smug. The united states was a much more liberal place when it won ww2 and these benefits you are enjoying are from our new deal principles.
@@wokeeye6441 Seems more like your old deal. Under the guise of fighting communism, they took all your social rights away, while your people were happily cheering, and yelling at the nasty commies. Now you just have deductibles, mortgages, credit and your hilarious 401k plans.
On the other hand, we didn't wait for Roosevelt to build a social system, we actually fought the right wing and all the attempts of the USA to have a hold on our social and economic system for as long as we could. And we had strong left movements to balance the liberal right that wanted to deregulate our economy like they did for yours.
@@merovmerov7631 No. The left wing was strong in our country. Left wing economics anyway and they in no way viewed left wing economics as communism. That came later with neoliberalism. I think that is what you mean when you say you defended your social programs from the USA. that was Reaganism, Thacherism and the end of the new deal.
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That's bc Europeans value education. The US values profit...at any cost. SAD.
I took the military route used my GI Bill with zero student loans, school got paid upon starting a new semester went to junior colleges and state university for my BA. Advised other vets to stay away from these schools that this documentary showing that their degrees are too risky and may not guarantee a viable employment
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It's difficult to do well in a dynamic economy that runs on easy money policies and low interest rates. You can do the homework and pick a great program at a respectable university with big name companies at job fairs. My friends still lost their engineering jobs when the oil market tanked. There are people who do well after graduation. The college degree is not for everyone or even a silver bullet to success. Trade skills are in demand and could be a fast path towards a career. I would have picked it instead of the five years in engineering college.
When someone pressures you to buy something, ask yourself what the urgency is. Simply because there has to be something in it for them. It's hysterical how the lobbyist for the for-profit college machine can't stop blinking!
Having attended both Everest College and the University of Phoenix, I am drowning in debt and find my education (such as it is) worthless and am unable to transfer any of my earned credits because my school wasn't accredited and the credits worthless. I was unable to finish my degree because I could never get enough financial aid despite only working part time and having an income of less than $30,000/year.
Are you sure those colleges are not accredited?
Time to flee to another country
That is such a life trap! See what money does to those thugs and then we are mad at the mafia...
If it makes you feel better, if you went into a community college or state school you'd be in the same mess
Damn, I finished college and paid my tuition without taking out a loan; I am grateful that I was able to finish without debt, but I took a year off after highschool and another after community college to work and save up a little and still got some help here and there by paying little to no rent. Paying for college is no laughing matter. I graduated at the age of 25. I would have graduated sooner, but with more debt. I hope the best for anyone trying to make it through college without amassing a lot of debt, it's hard but it teaches you a lot about yourself and builds character.
You're a rockstar, Ryan! Good for you.
That's what I did. Worked a yeAr. Lived out on my own paid my own bills. I had a few scholarships from high school. I went a class or two at a time near by. I didn't bother with basic English 101 etc for quite awhile. I took job skill classes. I worked my way thru school. Eventually I had to take 18 months off for nursing school n only worked on saturdays
I’ve graduated from Grand Canyon university. My sister told me yesterday that GCU is a Accreditation
Status: Candidacy, meaning it’s not a accreditation college. Candidacy means that it’s not a accredited institution remember we are just talking about the program it’s self not the school this is what my sister texted me yesterday, because I wanted to attend a college for my masters degree in New York. My sister is also at GCU as wel. And I’m extremely anxious that my credits aren’t going to transfer to a college I want to attend to for my masters degree in Clinical Mental Health Counseling.
The need to make an honest living has become a financial trap
How are they not in violation of predatory lending practices?
They were later investigated and fined for paying enrollment advisors based on how many students they recruited. The lenders weren't predatory, the schools were (they recruited students to get federal aid $$, in some cases never dispersed the money to students). Under Betsy DeVos, the feds allowed far too many shenigans and shady acquisition deals to go on.
Excellent question
PBS Frontline never disappoints. Good job as usual!
Always the best documentaries!
I watch anything PBS. I get my news from PBS. It's well researched and unlike the commercial stations.
It is 2010 broadcast documentary re-broadcast in 2022 .... 🤣🤣
@@pattamadaiksivaswami9454 This is obvious. On the other hand, it satisfies a certain curiosity to see, in hindsight, if the issues featured in these Frontline docs from a decade ago have changed, or if they’ve stayed the same. What have we learned?
@@ronswansonsdog2833 Exactly, after watching the documentary, I'm going to do my research on the state of things, 12 years later.
I've been touring college campuses with my oldest daughter and they certainly not hurting for money. I'm seeing lots of new stadiums, student unions, libraries and college run coffee shops in every building. It was a lot more Spartan when I went to school 20 years ago and tuition was a fraction what it is now.
So true!
Totally amazing. I am 78, retired and escaped to South America. Because of my career in law, psychology, computer science and accounting, I am addicted to education. Classes are my entertainment. But I take all my online classes through colleges and universities I have actually attended over many years. If I am just entertaining myself, I am not picky. If I am looking for new views on my career areas, I want a college and/or university with a very good reputation. For those still working, your resume is highly considered, when applying for a job at good companies, by the schools you have attended.
I am a high school teacher and I discourage any student to stay away from any for profit schools. They are extremely expensive and in the end, you learn nothing. I know of these schools recruiting people from off the streets(homeless drug addicts) to attend their schools. They are only interested on the money that they will be getting form the gov't. They are nothing but a waste of time and money. It's pretty much purchasing a diploma. Most businesses don't take these schools seriously. And the loans that you end up paying is not worth it. It's disgusting. They are primarily situated in low income neighborhoods.
most college "students" are drug addicts. the world knows of our "healthcare" systems massive overprescribing of dextroamphetamine to well off kids who dont have ADHD but a personal problem with having never had to actually take care of themselves in a functional manner before college..
Afraid they'll miss out on the left-wing indoctrination?
Totally agree with you. I and 2 friends were enrolled in that pyramid scam like type of school. Sad part the government support colleges like that will billions. of taxpayers.$$$
You "discourage ... to stay away"?
That means you encourage to go there.
You're a school teacher? Obviously not English. Your double negative has me confused, but I think you mean "encourage any student to stay away..."?
If a degree is not accredited directly through higher education, then it's worthless.
Education is a noble cause and a profession but regrettably it got corrupted by corporate greed and tactics.😐😐😐
I’m so glad that I could see thru the college scam as a young high school student. I knew several people who went to college just because they had been told to go their whole life, and got worthless pieces of paper that they ended up not using, yet we’re still responsible for paying back hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.
College is fine if you’re going for a specific field, such as being a Doctor, or something similar, but I think trade school is the way to go, and it’s what I did. I know so many people with degrees they’ve never used, and tons of debt for nothing.
So Right!
Most of the people who romanticize trade school don't work in the trades. That life has its cons. Your comment is reductive and misinformed.
Pros and Cons for both white and blue collar careers. You just have to know how to navigate both areas, as cheaply as possible, with the best ROI.
Just think! I could have saved time, money and heartache becoming an electrician!
You're only focusing on the career aspects of a four-year university education and missing everything else that's learned and experienced during that period, in and out of the classroom. It's anti-intellectualism, a long-time plague in America.
I went to school for my LPN/LVN at a public school in the ghetto because it was free and part time worked with my schedule. Became a nurse fhen bridged over to RN 1 year later for free as well at a public school and my BSN online. Never understood why people would put themselves in debt for a job. Just not worth it.
Well congrats…. where were these programs? Please share…
Someone who is 17 or 18 may not understand that. It is easier to get the message to older students.
Frontline is a necessary institution for stimulating thought on controversial issues .
Sort of, but they wussed out and only attacked for-profits, instead of ALL colleges. The whole thing needs to be thrown out the window completely
wow i feel so bad for those nursing students- as a nurse myself i am astonished they never stepped foot in a hospital as a student. Pediatric rotation was in a daycare! I remember my pediatric rotation was in a peds icu & it was tough!They paid 30,000 for that education! I am not all ‘sue happy’ but they deserve a full refund. That school failed them!
my question is, how do they get away without a clinical requirement? i think in most states, you have to have x amount of hours in clinicals to graduate. where is the board of nursing for that state? this is so dangerous (i’m addition to harming nursing students themselves)!
@@yetanotherpwdtoremember that is a good question! for sure. I am wondering if the school used their bogus clinical experience i.e. ‘the daycare’ as clinical hours. I am not sure as every state has different requirements. But it’s definitely a good question. I wonder if anyone else has any thoughtful insight to how this happened & were qualified to take their boards.
I’m a mental health therapist and I couldn’t imagine graduating grad school without seeing clients. Especially the second year, that was the majority of your day! It boggles the mind what they were doing
I laughed at hearing they did psychiatric rotations at a museum of scientology (hahaha) and pediatric rotations at a daycare. I am tempted to say I wouldn't hire them anywhere too, they are too dumb. They should have known that was not right. They should have questioned it there and then and start suing the school.
I went to a community College for My ADN and I went to one big hospital for all my clinical, ICU, med surge, TELE, NICU, labor and delivery and my two years less than 30k. I feel so bad for them, I feel the pinch now when I went for my RN-BSN at a for profit college and for my MSN, the process of them trying to have you as a student is astonishing, they pushed so much and before you know it, you are enrolled.
These are the type of documentaries that I live for😍
I agree. You might also like their documentary on a similar subject, though I apologize that I don't have the link for you. It's about how colleges are going after military veterans and their G.I. Bill money.
That was filmed in 2009/2010 and now in 2023 they have expanded online college courses and is zoom and other platforms for video class rooms.
If at all possible go to community college where the credit hours are cheaper and transfer them to a 4-year university that will accept them all. That’s usually a public college. Be a working student, take fewer classes per semester, go to school year round, and pay as you go. This will lower the amount of money you borrow.
The class/caste system in the US has come to largely overshadow education anyway. Pushing college for everyone is pure salesmanship, but in my case I really was "college material" and I tried my best as everyone urged me to. "You're smart; you should go to college". Sadly, it doesn't matter how smart you are, if you were born on an unfortunate square on the race/class/wealth chessboard in the US, college will not only not make you any richer or more socially mobile, but it will actually make you quite a bit poorer.
Nobody tells you this. But being a College Student is a lifestyle. If you're already poor. You'll even be more when going full time 12 Credit hours. And I don't know why but most Scholarships are only given to those that go full time to school. Why can't you go part time and still get the Scholarship??? Why???
Well said. I can agree with all of this. I don't regret getting a BA and I'm planning on starting a MSW program in the fall. However, my life would be much different if I had a more stable family. So many people ignore the pervasive caste system that we're all part of.
Facts! That's my story, too.
Well, when you have that attitude, do you think success will fall in your lap? I'm not saying to "grind" lol. I'm telling you that you are defeating yourself with that mindset.
I got a degree from a good school. It got me a job. I didn't have to borrow money because I chose a school where I got a scholarship. College does pay off, with an asterisk. Nothing in life is guaranteed.
@@Chironex_Fleckeri how much you make a year? And do you have a house in your name now?
It's not about education, it's about money.
So true in America! Healthcare not for care for money. Insurance not to insure but for money. And the list goes on
@@BlahblahblahblahblahblahblahFU
The government interference in healthcare has had a bad effect.
@@jakebredthauer5100 Says who... every other civilized county has health care for all!
@@BlahblahblahblahblahblahblahFU
Did it have a good effect?
@@jakebredthauer5100 yes because every other developed nation is bad! Dude, have you ever lived overseas in one of these countries… well I have and it’s wonderful being able to actually LIVE and stay alive AND I’M NOT RICH! Keep listening to corporations because their bottom line is 💵💵💵 not you!
I love Frontline it reminds me of the good old days with the music
I agree with you. Frontline has been giving their sponsors more air time and have shortened their theme music drastically! Listen to an episode from 5 to 10 years ago and the intro is the full version, epic theme tunes they used to share with us.
This PBS episode aired in 2010. Even more relevant today.
As an HR manager I can tell you that it rare that any employer cares where you get your degree from. They just want that degree block checked.
Depends on which job you get. You can't get into Microsoft apple of Google with a off the wall degree
I notice that. I’m a commercial property manager with 20 years experience. I won’t get an interview at some companies but someone with a quarter my experience but has a biology degree will get the interview/job. What does biology have to do with building and real estate, nothing. lol!
A subsequent Frontline documentary (A Subprime Education in 2016) covered the eventual collapse of the college scams. And recently - on June 1st - the Dept. of Education forgave nearly 6 billion in student loans from the Corinthian College chain of for-profit bogus schools. I would say something snarky about born-again religious people like the fellow featured here, but it had nothing to do with religion at all. Just soulless greed. And some, like Grand Canyon, may well be legitimate. Good job, Frontline, for sticking with this one!
"Had nothing to do with religion at all, just soulless greed."
I fail to see the difference between the two.
The United States government has spent ridiculous amounts of money on higher education. The students have spent ridiculous amounts of time in college and other schools. The number of homeschool students doubled in one year because of low quality schools. Mark Twain said, do not let schooling get in the way of your education.
@@jakebredthauer5100 Yet the ridiculous amount the federal government spent on primary school education after the launch of Sputnik paid off pretty well. Is it how much that's spent or simply how? And Twain could make a joke like that. Great writers have little to gain from higher education 😉
@@BlueBaron3339
Primary and secondary public schools have gotten his country into the deplorable condition that it is in. Mark Twain was right. Never let schooling interfere with your education.
If you calculate $10,000 per student per year for 13 years that would be more than 1/4 million dollars for only two students. That is well below the average amount.
There is a very large "market" of gullible Americans who turn off their faculties at the sound of the word "Christ" or "God". Many thuggish investors get a kick out of deceiving and exploiting the poor and hopeful trying to buckle down and better themselves. We need a debt jubilee in this country, there are too many good people with negative net worths and utter monsters with billions.
i just left a job of nearly 7 years at a for-profit nursing college. nothing has changed since this was first aired 12 years ago. students are being way overcharged for the quality of these programs. accelerated nursing programs terrify me now; as we move through the pandemic and a nursing crisis (which is basically because we have for-profit health care in addition to for-profit education), we will see fewer nurses adequately prepared for the field, more errors resulting in harm or death, increased turnover. and that doesn't even begin to address the harm done to *students* financially and emotionally. the truth of the matter is that for-profit schools will always be driven by how many students are admitted, retained, graduated, and employed. these were metrics we watched like hawks and i wasn't even in admissions. accreditation just seems pay-to-play; i'd love to see more investigation into that. soooo many problems with for-profit schools. PLEASE avoid them at all costs. there are other ways to get an education and hopefully soon, that education will be free. education should not be about profit.
The government money
made them bad.
You’re right!
I'm older so I can remember days before we had physician assistants and nurse practitioners. Now days it's hard to actually get seen by an MD, as they want to pawn you off on an NP or PA. I guess this was their answer to the doctor shortage. There's no way you can compare the education and training an MD has to a PA, etc. Healthcare is definitely not what it was 30 years ago. Doctors offices also used to be one stop shops. You could go in and get everything done in office (xrays, labs, pharmacy). Now you have to drive 5 different places to get it all done.
nurses can start working before they even have one year of education. thats a big reason why im absolutely terrified of getting anything major or minor done in a hospital anymore. 12 ish years ago when i was in and out of hospitals often, i wasnt having good experiences, so i can only imagine it being far worse now. there's no lack of people who want to do that type of work, there is a major lack of opportunity for them to do so tho. imagine if we made medical school free, how much better the quality of care would be for everyone involved. it just feels gross knowing most of the people getting into it and practicing it today, are pretty much only there for the money you get for relatively easy work (compared to doing 3+ actions per second for hours on end)
being a nurse is AWFUL. go read about it. what a terrible job
Went to Grand Canyon University for online MBA. The education is not very good imo
I would love to have Frontline look into private universities that are non-profit yet charge enormous prices for tuition. For example, schools in Chicago that provide doctorates that are private non-profits will charge over 50,000 a year in education.
Like depaul
I spent to better part of 10 years in a California State Prison. During that time I wrote every CC, CSU & UC in California, I found a program at San Francisco State called Project Rebound. When I was released I attended classes there and earned my Bachelors. I now have a solid career, own my house, and have two cars. During the documentary the for-profit school admin said they exist because people that aren't in the upper class or the upper middle class can't get an education without them. I completely disagree with that assessment. When I was released I only had 200 USD and no job but I was able to get an education without the for-profit industry.
That’s awesome, congrats on your success
I haven’t gotten a second of use out of my degree. Going to college helped me socially more than anything. I spent the majority of my time in high school avoiding people and spending every night alone in my bedroom, or watching Jeopardy with my parents. It wasn’t ideal. I went to college and midway though my first year I started talking to and spending time with tons of people, mostly females. It just snowballed. It was like high school me died. Would I do it again? Probably. I mean, my visual communications degree is close to useless. I’d pick a different major, but I’m thankful for what college did for me socially.
That’s a really interesting perspective
Honestly I feel like college should be used more for people who want to learn more and be in more intellectual works instead of being something you need to work in a normal jobs. Trade school can be for that
Yeah, I resonate with that. College helped me a lot socially and I gained skills like conflict resolution with roommates and learning to build relationships with people different from me. I personally think education should always be holistic (engaging both intellectual and social) but that’s just me
I payed the bare minimum and gave it the max I could and got the hell out of there. Not worth it in my opinion.
@@vintsymedel2967 Nah you learn that shit on the playground in grade 5, if you haven't learned how to socialize by college your toast.
I've been watching Frontline for decades. In fact, I rely on Frontline when considering candidates during presidential elections and otherwise.
Guess Trump 'university' students voted for Biden then.
I guess they got it wrong this time. Of course they will never admit it. Will you?
@@tonyc223 Whatever people think of Pence as he was Trumps puppet for 4 years, it took alot of courage for Pence to do what he did when he gave his signature at the capitol after the election. Trump was like the 4th grade snarling grinning bully in the playground with a mob threatening to hang his classmate if he didnt hand over his lunch money.
@@tonyc223 explain. I’m expecting you to mention dominion voting machines, and before you mention that paper, it was debunked
@@Natalietrans No. the mistake of voting for Biden.
The trades are good alternatives to college. I have been doing Electrical for over 20 years and the economy has seen a lot of ups and downs. I have not missed a beat and I have kept my overall debt very low.
@Diocletian60 I have never heard anyone say that about tradesmen. Our plumbers, electricians, and HVAC technicians will make over 100 K a year. Easy.
I wanted to do electrical- I’m disabled and a lot older - but if I could physically do I would learn electrical-
Trade schools--REAL ONES--- are the future. American has all the "gubmint" chair warmers it needs.
Good on ya , you did the right thing and you obviously had the aptitude to become an electrician. Not something just anyone could do
My daughter was persuaded that her master's degree in education from Phoenix U. would garner her teaching positions in the Phoenix public school system. It didn't. And yes, she has student loan debt from that scam. But then again, she did not do her due diligence. My favorite quote about everything American: "Is the F...ing you are getting really worth the F...ing you are getting?" Typically the answer is, "No".
I wonder why you didn't help her with her due diligence.
@@jenwendy7 I did, But I suppose I didn"t get my doubts clearly across to her.
Did she get a bachelors from a reputable university?
@@ashleyrogers1930 Phoenix U?
@@stevenzerbach6447 Ah that's why. Had she gotten a bachelors from a University like ASU then gotten the masters from Phoenix she could have done a teaching job. What I realize is when you get a bachelors from a brick and mortar university, it doesn't matter where you get your masters from.
This is part of a more growing issue in the U.S. -> corporate power. Corporations control the government through lobbying, writing the very bills these politicians take their local and federal houses.
In terms of student loans - the federal government can very much, and without a lot of difficulty, erase student loans. Nearly every single study and research case not only backs this up, but also advocates for erasing student due to the positive effects it would have on the growth and welfare of the country as a whole.
It's such a uniquely American problem - radical capitalism. It's called debt servitude or bondage labor. Similar to serfdoms in the middle ages. Student debt is the easiest for universities and the government to capture, and the hardest, most difficult debt to be rid of.
All of this is tied to an increasingly unregulated system of education, corporatism, low wages and punishing working schedules for employees without any benefits, increasing inflation in goods, services, and housing, and a growing attitude of apathy from politicians because they're paid off and/or invested in the very corporations handling student teaching and student debt.
Stephen King would have struggled to write such a sinister and evil story line!
Want to solve the problem? It's called accountability. Sprinkle in some socialism as college is a benefit to all of society and advances a people forward into the future.
Yes, but you used the word Socialism so now everything you said will be dismissed. Socialism is such an ugly word for Americans that they would rather shoot themselves in the foot than have any of it.
Now if you could only run for office 👊🏾
I mean if they can just print fiat with low interest rates near 0, then just forgive student loans already. The dollar is not even worth the paper its inked on now anyways.
The bigger issue is that 90% of young men are incels
Thank you Frontline for posting this once again because this is a long awaited documentary towards how these college scam places get people
In the Southeastern US, College attendance is quite low ATM. I do building automation work at many of the state schools in my area and they are all low on students. I think people are starting to see through the "you must go to college" mantra. I make more than my wife, she has a degree in finance and works a great job. I make more than most of the people in my area minus the doctors, lawyers, and offshore oil workers. I don't have a college degree and have mostly self taught myself the skills I needed to excel in my career. Went from crawling around in attics installing AC systems to programming automation systems completely without college. It is possible my friends!
And when was this, back in 1980?
@@berenisemendez5223 5 years ago I left the hvac trade to become a programmer
@@MrRay3801 hell yeah !!! Like a boss!!
Need to be extremely careful with these colleges. My gf is in a union and they offered free tuition. At first we thought there had to be a catch so we researched and talked to people who went through the program and it was legit. School is accredited but anytime you see or hear free do your diligence.
The irony of course being that a Union is also one of these scams with a catch that's too good to be true, but you glossed over that heh
I had a friend that worked at a school called National American University..she worked in enrollment..she was told she HAD to get so many students per day per week, otherwise she'd lose her job...that is THE issue with allowing capitalism into education..anytime a company has shareholders, they are gonna put profits above EVERYTHING ELSE..
The problem with a lot of higher Ed institutions (for-profit & not-for-profit) is many are not really addressing real market demands. As a result, they have to aggressively market their services with lies and falsehoods.
If you couldn't sell cough syrup, imagine telling everyone your cough syrup would make them successful, then hiring drivers to bring it to their homes, hiring marketing teams and sales people and raising your prices to account for all your new costs and aggressively pursuing those who qualified for gov't aid. Then, as millions of people became trapped in debt for purchasing your cough syrup, calling this the American dream.
Not mention even if their field is in demand today it might not be that hot in 5-10 years :(
@@QVUTDN There's a national shortage of nurses, but for colleges to respond to this need by producing more nurses, this would require expensive investment in clinical labs, nursing instructors (who could make a lot of money as nurses themselves), and expensive contractual agreements with healthcare providers to get their students crucial practical experience through clinical rounds. Its much easier for colleges to increase enrollment in less resource hungry disciplines like business, communications, liberal arts or anything requiring little more than additional classroom seating, adjunct professors and more marketing material for advertising.
After all, producing additional nurses for a society that needs them does much less for each college than providing more sociology majors (who pay nearly the same in tuition and board). But the level of risk is much higher.
Everyone with the disposition and aptitude to move on to higher education should have the opportunity. The way it has turned into a big business with all concerns related to profit and not education is shameful. So many deserving students will never get a shot at college simply because it's too expensive.
These schools prey on a lot of people who do not have the aptitude. Those with the best aptitude prove it with high grades in high school, and are accepted into real colleges and universities. Those who don’t have the ability should receive vocational training in high school, but our Department of Education and the “woke” decided everyone was supposed to go to college, which is ludicrous. Most people aren’t college material.
Exactly, education should never be about profit.
*cough* USA 'health care' *cough*
@@coopergates9680 it's both education AND healthcare in the U.S.
I used to work in health care and it's a horribly broken system.
@@Alphacentauri819 My comment was to point out the similarities of capitalist issues between health care and education here, not to dismiss how screwed up either domain was.
I feel like I see a report from Jonh Oliver and then Frontline posts to say, "yeah we talked about that 12 years ago " lol
the first mistake was watching john oliver
John Oliver reported on it 8 years ago. Different report.
This
@@colbypriest141 maybe I just watched it recently then lol his format hasn't changed much
Pbs and frontline are the best tv on tv
I have a fear of those who are born again. In my experience they are going to cost me money or try and indoctrinate me. That is a sad state of affairs to those who really wish to spread the gospel.
I feel 😪 you are right...my thoughts also. May send our kids for one year to challenge the school to not exclude danceteam athletes 🙏 As by doing this makes 🔥Danceteam members feel disrespected 😬 Fuels some ideas and also confusion as to women's rights....? recent Supreme Court Rulings against a womens right to choice is anti Christian. It is not what Jesus would want for our society....such control! Such hate towards women from proclaimed Christian men need to be discussed politely....😉 🔥 This ruling was heart breaking and being called a baby killer and these hateful slogans from LU kids...the hate toward others opinions that are not of the same faith...these recent event really brought out division and I think as long as LU no longer requires any religion classes other than a World Ethics class 1 semester... GCU is the same.
I feel so sorry for the young lady at 38:00, Dr.Hafferkamp. This happened to me and my dad. I was a PhD student at Kennedy Western University (now closed down 06' ). We both took out student loans. I was ABD when the school lost their accreditation bid. 😭💔💸 My dad eventually went to Harvard Kennedy school and earned a master's in International policy. I earned a doctorate of health education from A.T. Still University in 2012. We paid off our loans from KWU. Higher education is a HUGE RISK!
There are two issues: first, demand for college education is artificially driven by the "everyone needs a college degree" message that has been pushed (at least in the US) for the past few decades. Many of the students who succumb to this pressure would be better served by a trade school approach where they work while going to school. That approach both reduces debt and puts market pressure into the college education system by limiting degrees to what are actually needed. Second, the schools have *zero* skin in the game: they have every incentive to bury a student under a pile of debt. If the schools were forced to underwrite the student loans there would be an economic feedback loop that would prevent them from providing worthless degrees. The solution definitely is *not* forgiveness of student debt and/or free college. The market response is clear: these degrees are not worth the cost, therefore forcing taxpayers to pay for them is not a good use of the public's dollars. The problem is not too much reliance on markets and profit incentives, the problem is that's not being allowed to happen because of artificial demand and schools' lack of economic incentive to provide meaningful degrees.
"market response"
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You’re forgetting that most higher paying jobs require degrees if not experience or both.
Also, paying off student loan debt may be beneficial to the economy, since rather than paying 1 trillion in debt with interest, thats 1 trillion that can be spent to purchase goods and services, but that doesn’t eliminate the issue of college costs
Your answer is essentially that it's too bad for those who got screwed over but we can't help them because of "the market." This country really is filled with sociopaths and morons.
One of the smartest comments I've read in a long time bro. Sadly my worry is because of debt and now inflation education becomes after thought. We need education and higher learning whatever form it takes.
Think it’s going to be difficult to decide what degrees are “needed”. People should be able to do what they’re interested in and doctoral programs are needed as we do need and want experts in many fields. Restricting what degrees are available is not an answer. But yes….getting rid of lavish facilities and other excess costs….is a good place to start.
The education you get at a community college is way better than a for-profit college! And the best part is that it cost way less than these for-profit.
Both are trash, good education in US is just to who can pay, US education system is terrible since kid school until universities.
They get funding
from government.
Why is PBS reposting pre pandemic stories. Would love to see some new material.
Amazing/worrying how, in the 12 years since this aired, the amount of student loan debt has more than doubled.
They air on Public Broadcasting. Not everyone watches.
"when I buy a perfume for...my mom" said everything there is to say about what kind of person works in this industry.
LOL, I caught that line too, and the pause was palpable!
What do you mean?
@@Cannedtomatoforsauceshe meant gf….hes gross.
I'm all for colleges making a profit, but why do they have no risk when the student assumes all the risk with government backed student loans. If they can make all that profit, then they can assume the risk of a loan not being paid back.
The think I don't like is the pressure that you have to sign immediately
That's why it works. The risk is all on the student. That's the way it's designed :)
Awesome compilation of information and truly enlightening content.
They shouldn't have pussed out though and just show the online class the watched anyways. BBC Panorama would never back down that easily.
I still remember ITT Tech commercials
I also remember Everest, which resulted not a good one.
The keyword that’s been emphasized here is “ Getting the student a college loan” and not education
I always found it a bit difficult to retain or hold my attention to an online class. I found that I learned more on a live classroom.
It's horrible for me. I fall asleep every time.
@@missbearlockholmes Same here.
@@oldsalt8011 I love online classes & on Zoom.
In-person classes are such a waste of time that we could be doing at home.
From point one, Lyman's voiceover is amazing as usual! Thanks, Will, and Frontline!
Not everyone belongs in college in the same way that not everyone can be a good welder. Joining GCU's basketball team won't make you taller. If you belong in college then you can practically go anywhere and chances are better than not that you'll be successful. Otherwise, learn a trade that's needed and you'll also likely find success.
There's a large number of tradesmen too.
Not everyone is cut out to be a plumber or electrician or driver either. And those professions are not good for parenting. People in them work crazy hours. It's hard to take off. Not everyone is safe going into strange people's homes. Especially women.
People like you simply do out value education outside of vocational training and want to prevent others from having an education
8:50 you can't smack the greedy smile off thus guys face
The litmus test for legitimate college programs have always been the admissions requirements. These schools capitalize on potential students looking to avoid the ACT, SAT, GRE, GMAT, MCAT or LSAT testing/qualifying scores.
I was skimming through the comments looking for one such as yours. Yes! Admission requirements!! Where are they at these so- called colleges? The FEDS could easily tie funding to ACT and SAT scores. They don't necessarily have to be high, just SOMETHING.
Boy, am I glad that I am from Québec. For a total of CDN$3,500.00 in tuition, I graduated from an accredited, reputable, internationally recognized university with my Bachelor's and Master's degrees in 2006, 7 years of quality post-secondary education. For an additional CDN$4,200.00 in tuition, I graduated from an internationally recognized 4-year programme, at a "sister" Ivy-League law school in 2010 with 2 law degrees that are recognized in Canada, the Atlantic states in the U.S., in the United Kingdom, in France and at the International Court at the Hague. Both institutions are in Montréal, and both tuitions were manageable with part-time jobs. I had no student debt when I graduated and went into the professional labour force.
Countries that have large amounts of subsidized everything also have higher taxes. Nothing is free. Someone is paying for it, just not you.
Another good job by PBS.
Grand Canyon university used Emminate domain in Phx to expand it's campus which displaced a lot of poor people out of their homes that were paid off
Great reporting yet again
My father was a former police detective and assistant district attorney. He explained to me that 'psychologically speaking' (not morally, of course) the victim of the scam is a willing participant because the scammer flashed something the victim wants but sees the scammer as the only way to get what he wants for the effort he is willing to make.
As a large user of both public and private for profit universities, I can tell you it is all about doing your research, pricing your degree, and weighing your likely outcomes with them. College degrees are meant to open doors by establishing your achievements, sadly they do very little in the way of actually educating you. Like most education, it is what you put into it. Do you do all your homework, do the practice problems, actually participate in discussion groups? Then you will likely learn a lot and hopefully get to use it. Did you simply cram the night before the test, get a friend to help you with the online tests? Then you learned little. . . I frankly believe you can learn an amazing amount from Khan Academy for free. But back to college, accreditation is also very important. My son was looking at Full Sail University, which MAY be a very good university, located next to Orlando Florida. However I could not get complete answers on the regional and national accreditation of the program. I also went to visit while in Florida and could not find a main office or even someone to talk to, though it was on the weekend. Look, if you have a job lined up after college it doesn't matter if you go to Bob Jones University. However if you need to build on to the degree with another one, or needing a specific accreditation to get a job then it is vital to look before you leap. My heart does go out to people who get caught up in high pressure sales school with bogus degrees, because that is wrong. I must advise people though that you are the only one who is solely looking out for your interests and that if you are ready to sign up for 100K of debt you truly owe it to yourself to make a few calls, read a few review sites, ask around about what your actual hiring chances are. All those these days are free and online. Good luck future students!
I went to GCU and I hope they are held accountable.
they won't and their stock is doing very well. it is so messed up that a school is publicly traded.
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You got played!
@aldowaldo05 I went to GCU as well.
I went to GCU, graduated in 2001 before it changed. Honestly it was a great school.
Colleges need to do a better job at finding student jobs after they graduate. It's the least they can do for taking twenty year Olds for tens of thousands of dollars.
They find. But they find them jobs that pay $15. an hour, and has thousands of dollars to pay back in student loans. That's the catch.
I believe in two things:: separation of state and religion, and separation of religion and education!
❤️💯💯
Don't you mean separation
of the church from the state?
Don't you mean separation of schools from the state?
Preach
I feel for those students. They all hoped that education could eventually improve their financial situation. They never expected to jump out of the frying pan and end up in the fire.
I have a bachelors degree and work overnight at Walmart. Don’t go to college. Save the trouble. This world doesn’t care how educated you are.
Same thing happened to me back in 1991 when I graduated. Now, I've got to care for my bedridden mother, so can't work. When the time comes for me to go back to work, I'll be lucky to get a job at McDonald's.