its both. It was trash, and cost way too much. As an investor would you continue paying for a product that cost you several million and didnt see any significant returns? It was never going to get a second season becuase of that ridiculous budget, but if enough people watched it and bought any related merrchandise? Answer is still no, but its easier to argue if it actually made money
Nah, being insane, a narcissist, or against lore doesn't make a piece of media bad. Being grossly untalented in every foreseeable aspect of your supposed craft does. Media is filled with successful bastardisations. Creatives have been literal psychopaths with egos large enough to snuff out a room but are lauded (hell, some are literal killers, r/cists, abusers of all types). But they understood thr point of their craft. This Headland chick was just immensely untalented. Take away the lore issues, and you still have a shtty show with questionable acting and an incoherent storyline.
You could give Timothy Zahn $50 million and a screenwriter and you'd make a tremendously more profitable series. But this is a girls club for Kathy's friends, regardless of whether they served young women up to Harvey Weinstein or not.
@@Kant3n Yeah exactly. They're trying too hard to get a female audience while alienating the mostly male audience. Like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics alone could give you like 6 movies and a shit ton of shows. I would love to see the Mandalorian Wars personally. Or something about Emperor Valkorian
This is my take too. I once read that any death can be technically called heart failure, as that's the measure by which a thing is called dead. In the same way, whatever the reason the show isn't making money, being "too expensive" is the measure by which a show is deemed not worth it.
@@alexfgenualdi Its the fact they don't want to address the WHY the show lost money. Remembering they have no problem with addressing the political incorrectness of all their older material. But its impossible for them to say 'there were tropes in here that we're not proud of', like they do for Dumbo or Peter Pan.
The Acolyte isn't even cringy fan fiction. Fans wouldn't have written the Jedi like that. It played like bad message fiction just set in the Star Wars universe.
Calling it fan fiction is an insult to fans. Because we saw with the Kirk movie what actual fans would have made. Hollywood despises fans, it does not hire fans, knowing anything about an IP is now seen as a weakness and they will not hire you. So it is not being made by fans, ergo it cannot be fan fiction. It is creepy tumblr corporate hate fiction.
They could make such a cool show focusing on the apparent flaws of the jedi and their code. Why some of their members fall to darkness. It would however require writers several calibers greater than the high school teenager level intellect behind the Acolyte.
Overall I enjoyed it, but it definitely had flaws like the main character being the least favorite character and it doesn't seem fully accurate to the lore and because there won't be another season bad guys definitely won in that show
@@Praxics0815 Universal could use some of the insane profits they're getting from their theme parks and the massive Hulu buyout forced by Disney acquisition of Fox... would would be just the peak of karma to me, all things considered
In a weird way it's true, not many people watched it, so it was too expensive for the return in views. We are focused on how bad it is, but the bottom line is it didn't bring in enough people to justify the existing budget or even a cut down budget S2.
It's partially true though, because that abomination WAS insanely expensive. But Disney carefully omits that the main reason is that the Acolyte was horrible and pretty much nobody liked it.
i mean, they're not technically wrong, it totally was not worth the money they spent on it it's also a lie by omission of course, and a tacit acknowledgement that the ratings were, in fact, garbage... but technically they're not wrong
It is expensive when you realize this show had a blockbuster movie budget of 200 mln and the average Critical Drinker video on youtube shot with a cheap webcam gets more eyeballs. If you want to make something for the rainbow brigade part of the audience you gotta tailor your budget to the actual size of that audience.
@@tjroelsma I was thinking more in the likes of 2 mln. And if you are a good creative who learned his or her craft as an indie filmmaker you can still do a lot with 2 mln. It even boggles my mind why a TV needs a 200 mln budget, or why despite that it looks like it was made for 200K.
For a frame of reference, $180 million is what was used to make Wall-E (in the early & mid 2000s). Which is a brilliant film. With great visuals. And a riveting story. They use $180 million, we get this. There is a problem somewhere.
Also factoring in the cost of inflation inflation It would cost more than many big budget films of 2023. $180,000,000 in 2005 would equal $280,831,490.02 in 2023. That would means the film would have cost more than many big budget films of that year such as The Marvels at 250 million, Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3. at 250 million and The Little Mermaid at 250 million.
2:35 "The look has never been better" ... Well... that may apply to the technical side of spaceships. The look, the design, is just boring. Costumes are an undefined mess of generic fantasy garments that fit perfectly, are clean and look like cosplay. And Jedi who never, ever wear anything other than 100-pound robes are just boring. Added to that is the increasing lazy use of displays and holograms that don't really fit with SW.
Too expensive for Disney, a company that has billions in $$$? Unless they are in red numbers or something... yeah, right this claim. Everyone and their mothers know the real reason why this was canceled.
you know what cracks me up most about that "power of one, power of two, power of many" thing? disney created a song for Agatha, the Witch's Road, and it was really good. so they can do it if they wanted to.... sigh
But Disney is different companies, each doing different things. Disney the parent company does not make any content. It's Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios who do that. Lucasfilm is a creative black hole void quintupling down on what it has been doing so far, Marvel Studios seems to have realized they f***ed up and that they have to change course.
Once again, I have to say that Carrie-Anne Moss was utterly wasted on The Acolyte. Since Star Wars' story takes place over so many points in the timeline, I hope they get a chance to put her in something else.
A reminder that people found out about the cancellation through leaks sooner than Disney wanted it to be known, assuming they didn't want to just pull a Willow and try and erase it from history. This terrible horrible lie may just have been the best excuse they could come up with even though no one sensible buys it.
The Hackolyte wasn't canceled for costing too much money, it was canceled for not generating enough revenue. Studios will toss literal millions of dollars into a show as long as it turns enough of a profit. (Rings of Powder, SheBulk, Ass Soaker, The Baby Yoda Show, Boba Tea, The Mindy Kaling Self-Insert Show, etc.) Once that profit's gone, so is the show. "That's Hollywood, baby!" If studios think we've been sleeping under rocks for the past several decades, that's on them. We all know why shows get canceled, and it almost always boils down to the 💵.
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Acolyte probably also had an uphill battle to impress the Disney brass to begin with. Remember how it was announced? Someone at Lucasfilm went above Iger/Disney's head and announced it on Twitter a few days before one of the trade shows or investor meetings (can't remember what it was, just that it was where a show would normally be revealed). A stunt like that would've rankled someone far less arrogant than Iger and Co., but they couldn't pull the plug then--this was back when Cancel Culture was a genuine threat and axing "the lesbian Star Wars show" would've painted a big bullseye on their backs. Not to mention, this was also back when Disney seemed to have infinite money anyway, so...why not. All that to say, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Disney was just _waiting_ for an excuse to cancel this show out of spite alone.
at this point im kinda done with there shows gave fans the finger told them to get lost and made crap stories and im just done even if some are good im just tired of it
When this got announced I believed the rumors that KK didn't get approval beforehand by the higher-ups, and figured it would just get lost in development hell like most of her projects. I knew it would be a colossal flop if they did make it, but for whatever reason (Headland has all of Harvey's private correspondences with Disney executives) it got made.
Babylon 5, ahhh a show that made me dream we had a new era of shows that could give us character development and complicated stories while keeping me riveted to the screen.
What happened to Tasi Lowa? 🤷 She was in the first act of the first episode of The Acolyte. Then she completely disappeared from the program without a single syllable to explain.
That’s literally what companies been doing for decades. The Brazilians who own Tim’s and kfc have hollowed out the business to the cheapest possible degree ruining quality in the process.
Saying "it failed because too expensive" is like saying the White Sox had record-setting season this year. Technically true, but completely misleading.
Basil. The sets often felt small, but you'd assume that they spent a lot of money on alien costumes for extras. I think there was a CGI sequence going through an asteroid field - which didn't have a lot of drama. In a different production, CGI is for high value moments. It seems a problem if you spend millions on background characters or characters who don't drive the plot.
Well when you have a budget of $100.00 for a show and you get five hundred people to pay $0.50 each, you have a better budget. Inversely, if you have a show budget at $100.00 and zero people pay $0.50 to watch it, you have no money to budget
Imagine being Bob Iger and going to a hollywood party and having to talk to person after person about the acolyte. If you're proud of something, then maybe you give it a reprieve. Andor? yes. The Acolyte? No.
Giving Lesley Headland $250 million to make a show is like putting Ghislaine Maxwell in charge of a women's shelter and more people need to put pressure on Iger for this shit.
The power of none.
The power of not you.
The power of not annnnnnyyyyyyyy.... viewers 😂
@@sianais If we NEVER had to see THAT again it'd be too soon. God saw THAT and considered what options he had left for hitting the reset button.
The power of self insert
Where "Over Budget" is code for "Nobody watched it."
its both. It was trash, and cost way too much. As an investor would you continue paying for a product that cost you several million and didnt see any significant returns? It was never going to get a second season becuase of that ridiculous budget, but if enough people watched it and bought any related merrchandise? Answer is still no, but its easier to argue if it actually made money
But my identity!!
@@HeavyMetalJesus02 It can get a 2nd season if it is as successful as GoT, even with that budget... but it never gonna happen.
This is what happens when you hire insane narcissists to make a show that ignores the established lore.
Exactly
Nah, being insane, a narcissist, or against lore doesn't make a piece of media bad. Being grossly untalented in every foreseeable aspect of your supposed craft does.
Media is filled with successful bastardisations. Creatives have been literal psychopaths with egos large enough to snuff out a room but are lauded (hell, some are literal killers, r/cists, abusers of all types). But they understood thr point of their craft. This Headland chick was just immensely untalented. Take away the lore issues, and you still have a shtty show with questionable acting and an incoherent storyline.
You could give Timothy Zahn $50 million and a screenwriter and you'd make a tremendously more profitable series. But this is a girls club for Kathy's friends, regardless of whether they served young women up to Harvey Weinstein or not.
@@Kant3n Yeah exactly. They're trying too hard to get a female audience while alienating the mostly male audience. Like the Knights of the Old Republic games and comics alone could give you like 6 movies and a shit ton of shows. I would love to see the Mandalorian Wars personally. Or something about Emperor Valkorian
@@Kant3nNo KK can’t be smart, she is busy giving women and LBGT people a “voice” in Star Wars.
Well anything that loses money is always "too expensive".
This is my take too. I once read that any death can be technically called heart failure, as that's the measure by which a thing is called dead. In the same way, whatever the reason the show isn't making money, being "too expensive" is the measure by which a show is deemed not worth it.
@@alexfgenualdi Its the fact they don't want to address the WHY the show lost money. Remembering they have no problem with addressing the political incorrectness of all their older material. But its impossible for them to say 'there were tropes in here that we're not proud of', like they do for Dumbo or Peter Pan.
A $1 candy is too expensive if no one buys it.
*THIS*
The Acolyte isn't even cringy fan fiction. Fans wouldn't have written the Jedi like that. It played like bad message fiction just set in the Star Wars universe.
Calling it fan fiction is an insult to fans. Because we saw with the Kirk movie what actual fans would have made. Hollywood despises fans, it does not hire fans, knowing anything about an IP is now seen as a weakness and they will not hire you. So it is not being made by fans, ergo it cannot be fan fiction. It is creepy tumblr corporate hate fiction.
They could make such a cool show focusing on the apparent flaws of the jedi and their code. Why some of their members fall to darkness. It would however require writers several calibers greater than the high school teenager level intellect behind the Acolyte.
Overall I enjoyed it, but it definitely had flaws like the main character being the least favorite character and it doesn't seem fully accurate to the lore and because there won't be another season bad guys definitely won in that show
Disney cancelled the Acolyte due to it being an unpopular dumpster fire. There fixed the title for you.
You petty 🤣
*claps in Shia Lebeouf*
Yes.
Yes.
an expensive unpopular dumpster fire
"So...what budget would make Acolyte worth it?"
"$60k"
"Per episode?"
"For the whole thing."
The Power of One... The Power of Two... The Power of FAILUUUUUUUUUUUUURE!
Now witness the power of MAAAANNNNYYYYYY
Time for Disney to lose ownership of Star Wars and Marvel.
We all wish
But will never happen
And how would that happen?
Who would buy it? Who could even afford it? And why would Disney even sell it?
@@Praxics0815 Good point
@@Praxics0815 Universal could use some of the insane profits they're getting from their theme parks and the massive Hulu buyout forced by Disney acquisition of Fox...
would would be just the peak of karma to me, all things considered
Disney: We canceled the Acolyte due to the budget 😉.
Me : I Call The Bullshit 😉.
Its true though.
If your investment loses money you paid too much for it.
it's still hard to believe that some editor sat there and said this is the best take at of all of them for that scene. poor editor.
It is hard to realize that even worse cuts of this show existed and this was the best version they could cobble together, having done reshoots.
coff....coff.... bullshit
In a weird way it's true, not many people watched it, so it was too expensive for the return in views. We are focused on how bad it is, but the bottom line is it didn't bring in enough people to justify the existing budget or even a cut down budget S2.
Andor is getting a second season because Disney couldn't legally wiggle their way out of greenlighting it.
It was a $231therapy session for Leslie Hedlund
To expensive......... Has anyone else's bullcrap meter gone off yet? Because I know it can't just be me.
It's partially true though, because that abomination WAS insanely expensive. But Disney carefully omits that the main reason is that the Acolyte was horrible and pretty much nobody liked it.
i mean, they're not technically wrong, it totally was not worth the money they spent on it
it's also a lie by omission of course, and a tacit acknowledgement that the ratings were, in fact, garbage... but technically they're not wrong
It is expensive when you realize this show had a blockbuster movie budget of 200 mln and the average Critical Drinker video on youtube shot with a cheap webcam gets more eyeballs. If you want to make something for the rainbow brigade part of the audience you gotta tailor your budget to the actual size of that audience.
@ChaptermasterPedroKantor-kv5yw That would be cruel, because that would mean a budget of maybe $20. LOL
@@tjroelsma I was thinking more in the likes of 2 mln. And if you are a good creative who learned his or her craft as an indie filmmaker you can still do a lot with 2 mln. It even boggles my mind why a TV needs a 200 mln budget, or why despite that it looks like it was made for 200K.
For a frame of reference, $180 million is what was used to make Wall-E (in the early & mid 2000s). Which is a brilliant film. With great visuals. And a riveting story.
They use $180 million, we get this. There is a problem somewhere.
Also factoring in the cost of inflation inflation It would cost more than many big budget films of 2023. $180,000,000 in 2005 would equal $280,831,490.02 in 2023. That would means the film would have cost more than many big budget films of that year such as The Marvels at 250 million, Guardians of the Galaxy vol 3. at 250 million and The Little Mermaid at 250 million.
Well it would be expensive if they kept making that failing show
$#!+ characters, $#!+ plot, and $#!+ dialogue makes for a $#!+ show.
2:35 "The look has never been better" ... Well... that may apply to the technical side of spaceships. The look, the design, is just boring. Costumes are an undefined mess of generic fantasy garments that fit perfectly, are clean and look like cosplay. And Jedi who never, ever wear anything other than 100-pound robes are just boring. Added to that is the increasing lazy use of displays and holograms that don't really fit with SW.
Revenge Of The Sith and Ewoks' The Battle For Endor are both better than The Acolyte.
The power of many expenses
Too expensive for Disney, a company that has billions in $$$? Unless they are in red numbers or something... yeah, right this claim. Everyone and their mothers know the real reason why this was canceled.
If you get negative returns, your investment was too expensive.
That was one of the better reviews. Honesty, without the hate. You nailed it sir
All I can say to that exec is...."NO SH*T, SHERLOCK!"
you know what cracks me up most about that "power of one, power of two, power of many" thing? disney created a song for Agatha, the Witch's Road, and it was really good. so they can do it if they wanted to.... sigh
But Disney is different companies, each doing different things. Disney the parent company does not make any content. It's Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios who do that. Lucasfilm is a creative black hole void quintupling down on what it has been doing so far, Marvel Studios seems to have realized they f***ed up and that they have to change course.
It cost 40 millions more to do versus Dune Part.2 that was some of the greatest visual I’ve seen, I still can’t wrap my head around this one
The Capolyte
You missed a R between the C and A.
@pauljanetzke yeah that too, I'm talking about the reasoning for the cancellation
@@DanceySteveYNWA Ah okay.
The Acopelyte is pretty cheeky too
The Coprolite.
Yes the budget is the problem when you look at the viewers per $ ratio
Watch Baggade Claims video about it, she really did a good dissecting of it and its purpose.
Skeleton Crew is abysmal and nobody is watching it.
4:35 I still remember Firefly where... they literally built the spaceship for the set.
Of course it didn't fly but that didn't matter.
That show was so good. I still hate FOX!
Once again, I have to say that Carrie-Anne Moss was utterly wasted on The Acolyte.
Since Star Wars' story takes place over so many points in the timeline, I hope they get a chance to put her in something else.
The over budget of one.
The over budget of two.
The over budget of maaaaaaanyyyyyyyyyyy.
A reminder that people found out about the cancellation through leaks sooner than Disney wanted it to be known, assuming they didn't want to just pull a Willow and try and erase it from history. This terrible horrible lie may just have been the best excuse they could come up with even though no one sensible buys it.
Disney has come to the conclusion that they will do better with infinite reruns of "Bluey"
I thought based on the title we were not on the same page of what was going on. Glad those doubts got smashed in the first seconds.
They're not making a profit.
And the sky is blue too? I'll be damned this sure is a day for having my mind blown.
when is something too expensive? well, when it costs more than it produces, simple.
Well yea. It's too expensive to keep flushing a quarter billion down the toilet.
How could we ever forget that? I didn't even watch the show and still had to think of their, what did you call it, "finger banging the sky".
dana walden always has a 1000 yard stare like no thought is going on behind those eyes lol
Who would have thought that shows had to make money to make up for insane budgets.
The last time I was this early was... Never.
The last time I was this early, I was trying to work out how a trilogy could start with Part 4...
i mean, it was made with hundreds of millions of dollars: it was bound to fail.
I wish they would do that with Rings Of Power
The cost of hair products for the tampon force actors were overrunning the special effects and catering budgets.
Proof that "the power of many" (millions) is nothing without good wtiting
A show no one wanted, with a creator and lead no one liked, made by a company who everyone not rich hates...how could it fail?!?
the "power of moneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey..."
It's obviously a combination of the two things. It was very expensive and almost no one watched it 😊
Andor was 12 episodes too. Basically two seasons of material was released at once, yet it wasn’t the most expensive show on Disney lol
Less of a budget means less money they can launder and Disney won't like that idea
The Hackolyte wasn't canceled for costing too much money, it was canceled for not generating enough revenue. Studios will toss literal millions of dollars into a show as long as it turns enough of a profit. (Rings of Powder, SheBulk, Ass Soaker, The Baby Yoda Show, Boba Tea, The Mindy Kaling Self-Insert Show, etc.) Once that profit's gone, so is the show. "That's Hollywood, baby!"
If studios think we've been sleeping under rocks for the past several decades, that's on them. We all know why shows get canceled, and it almost always boils down to the 💵.
I actually do believe that it was a budget problem. I just think it wasn't ONLY a budget problem.
That space witches chant has nothing on OG Charmed with "The Power of Three Will Set Us Free."
It still amazes me that disney spent on a single season of the acolyte what ABC spent on 236 episodes (and two tv movies) of dynasty.
I see my typo below..I think they spent $231.00 on the writing!!!!
I've said it before, I'll say it again: Acolyte probably also had an uphill battle to impress the Disney brass to begin with. Remember how it was announced? Someone at Lucasfilm went above Iger/Disney's head and announced it on Twitter a few days before one of the trade shows or investor meetings (can't remember what it was, just that it was where a show would normally be revealed).
A stunt like that would've rankled someone far less arrogant than Iger and Co., but they couldn't pull the plug then--this was back when Cancel Culture was a genuine threat and axing "the lesbian Star Wars show" would've painted a big bullseye on their backs. Not to mention, this was also back when Disney seemed to have infinite money anyway, so...why not.
All that to say, I wouldn't be surprised if someone at Disney was just _waiting_ for an excuse to cancel this show out of spite alone.
Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practice to deceive;
But since experience makes us wise
We soon grow skillful in our lies!
at this point im kinda done with there shows gave fans the finger told them to get lost and made crap stories and im just done even if some are good im just tired of it
That was the one complaint everyone had before it released lol, disney throws money at problems instead of fixing them.
When this got announced I believed the rumors that KK didn't get approval beforehand by the higher-ups, and figured it would just get lost in development hell like most of her projects. I knew it would be a colossal flop if they did make it, but for whatever reason (Headland has all of Harvey's private correspondences with Disney executives) it got made.
"Lee Jung-jae GREAT PERFORMACNE" he was barely coherent
The only thought about the acolite that crossed my mind was that the show might delayed squid game season 2.
Also keep in mind that this show was announced behind Disney’s back. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was partially cancelled out of resentment.
Just realized last week that I am currently getting charged $19/month just for Disney+
One of the most entertaining stories Disney has come up with in while, too expensive. Horse hockey.
Granted, at least for Andor, the second season was greenlit before season 1 was released.
It was definitely too expensive.
Babylon 5, ahhh a show that made me dream we had a new era of shows that could give us character development and complicated stories while keeping me riveted to the screen.
let's see how amandaler tries to turn this into about being racism. and how manny will still claim the show can still be saved
Well yeah if nobody watches something a dollar is too expensive to make it.
But they were using an actress with only 1 expression for two roles. That should have saved a lot of money.
What happened to Tasi Lowa? 🤷
She was in the first act of the first episode of The Acolyte. Then she completely disappeared from the program without a single syllable to explain.
Too expensive for the return it didn't get. There's also merchandise and toys attached to these shows which no one was buying.
now andor season 2 budget is 286 millons ,wow SCOTLANd must be absurd expensive to film
Please take their budget and give it to Andor, thanks.
A show is only over budget if it doesn’t make the studio money back…
I think they got the numbers down and prob figured that season 2 wouldnt have that many hate watchers or counter-hate watchers.
The budget of 1, the budget of 2.. The budget of manyyyyyyyyyyyyy...
They spent like 300 million on that
green smoke divirse quuer farting space witches arent that what starwars always wanted?
Our system is so screwed if companies are incentivized to hollow themselves out in order to make a 3rd quarter “profit.”
That’s literally what companies been doing for decades. The Brazilians who own Tim’s and kfc have hollowed out the business to the cheapest possible degree ruining quality in the process.
Saying "it failed because too expensive" is like saying the White Sox had record-setting season this year. Technically true, but completely misleading.
It was expensive because it had no audience. if it had been a huge hit, they would still be trumpeting it.
What was the budget blown on? I saw very few effects in the series.
Basil. The sets often felt small, but you'd assume that they spent a lot of money on alien costumes for extras. I think there was a CGI sequence going through an asteroid field - which didn't have a lot of drama. In a different production, CGI is for high value moments. It seems a problem if you spend millions on background characters or characters who don't drive the plot.
The budget was spent all on the lightsaber hair cutting scene.
The acolyte has to be some kind of tax scam or money laundering scheme because this show could not have cost this much.
Too expensive? Yet they still pay for it.
Well when you have a budget of $100.00 for a show and you get five hundred people to pay $0.50 each, you have a better budget. Inversely, if you have a show budget at $100.00 and zero people pay $0.50 to watch it, you have no money to budget
Maybe they should have spent some of that budget on the writing?
Said it was a mix of "kill Bill" and "Breaking Bad" not Star Wars
Andor S2 was reported at ~650M !!! ?!
You had to include the singing man lol
Merit matters the most.
Imagine being Bob Iger and going to a hollywood party and having to talk to person after person about the acolyte. If you're proud of something, then maybe you give it a reprieve. Andor? yes. The Acolyte? No.
Giving Lesley Headland $250 million to make a show is like putting Ghislaine Maxwell in charge of a women's shelter and more people need to put pressure on Iger for this shit.
THE POWER WITHIN! Yeah.
Hopefully this doesn't have a negative effect on Manny Jacinto's career.
Well, when they pretty much said Acolyte was basically a big "fuck you" to Star Wars fans, what did they expect to happen?