What Game of Thrones Never Told You About The Mountain!? - A Song of Ice and Fire (Books)
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- Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire video. Today I will be discussing what Game of Thrones never told you about The Mountain. Ser Gregor Clegane is easily one of the most feared men in the Seven Kingdoms. Not only because of his size, but also because of his shear brutality. We witnessed some of the things he did in the show, but believe it or not; he is way worse in the books. You will see why The Hound wanted to fight The Mountain so bad. The man is a living nightmare to everyone he comes in contact with... Thanks for watching!
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i literally never miss a video. you’re doing gods work dude.
Thank you so much. I'm glad you like the videos.
But is @TalkingThrones doing the work of the Old Gods or The Seven?
Enjoy the channel!
@@drphlgoode pretty sure he's doing the work of "The Old Gods, The New Gods, and every Fricken God in every Fricken Heaven..."
He will do that work!
New or old God's?
@@xShapeShifter Agreed!
I never heard about the sister before. It makes sense why he protected the Stark daughters now.
it makes Sandor even sweeter than he was.
@T yes it is the hound
@@WilliamJulienNkogheOlympio the hound was never sweet. He was morally better than Joffrey and Ramsay and the mountain, but he was still a ruthless killer. Remember, he killed the butchers boy and he never showed remorse for it. The hound had a soft spot for the fairer sex, but for men and boys, he had no issues killing them, even if they didn't deserve it.
@@stephenolder4552
There was remorse. Just stated or presented it for others.
@@stephenolder4552 As the Hound sound “all men are killers”.
The mountain after fighting Oberyn looks like medieval Darth Vader.
Pretty much.
Too bad there was no bigger stronger person to rape the mountain so he could see how it felt.
and oberyn took an oath and became a mandalorian
@@KentPetersonmoney well a giant could have done it
@@KentPetersonmoney I think what Qyburn did to him might qualify. 😳😳😳
Oberyn: Do you know who i am?
Mountain: SOMMME DEADDD MANNN!
I'm going to hear you confess, before you die
"I am Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
@@paulcoy9060 it really did remind me of that in that scene
@@chunkyizanagisburden That's who he was based on.
Well, and the Mountain was actually right...
"We never see him without his helmet and his armor."
That´s OK, he´s just an orthodox Mandalorian.
ok then, this is the way
The Children of the Watch have that law, not orthodox Mandalorians
The Mountain was always a monster.
This is NOT the way
Joffrey was evil and sadistic, but easy to manipulate and not very wise.
Ramsay was evil and sadistic and much smarter, but I think his ego is far too big
The Mountain is evil and sadistic, but also very powerful and mysterious. I don’t think he’s a super brilliant person or anything, but he wouldn’t let someone like Tyrion outwit him, he’d likely just do what he felt like without considering consequences. He has this air of invincibility to him. The other two you just hate, but this guy literally gives me the creeps in ways I can’t explain.
The Mountain is a Tool like Joffrey or Ramsay but don't compare him to players like Tyrion
He represents a primitive human evil that can't be stopped by no means, everyone in the world is his victim and totally powerless in his presence, a true nightmare.
Yes, that's called "Wise until speaking. The Mountain was a simple, sadistic brute, if Tyrion wanted him dead and he wasn't chained up in a dungeon, Gregor would be dead by the next morning.
@@aurothelarper pretty sure the ice king would kill him
fantasy Jason Vorhese is what he is .
The Mountain's duel with the Red Viper was one of the scariest and frustrating thing to read , knowing Oberyn might die...Red Viper was sooo easy to like and he just had to toy with Gregor...when every other character in the book thinks of Mountain as inhuman....
Right ! Should have just finished him quick and quit talking
The Red Viper was without a doubt, the most badass character in the show. His skills in fighting could not be equaled by anyone, not even close. But then he just had to gloat, had to taunt. The only thing that could kill the Red Viper was the Red Viper himself. Still cracks me up how Oberyn just easily, pretty much effortlessly OWNED the Mountain in combat, just played with him like the Mountain was nothing. Then, BAM! Oberyn is distracted by his own hubris and game over.
@@tedwojtasik8781 Exactly!
@@tedwojtasik8781 oberyn was a good fighter but he wasnt legendary status like semly, arthur or jaime
@@Boost400 There is no way Jaime or Sir Semly could have defeated the Mountain so easily as Oberyn did. Dude owned the Mountain from the moment he started combat...it was not even a competition. That is until Oberyn got cocky and acted the fool and then. Whoops!
The tv show really should have gone into the Hound's back story more. It really does clarify his overwhelming need to kill his brother! It also explains his soft spot for Sansa and Arya.
The fact they never mentioned this almost *destroyed* hounds character for me in the show. Cleganebowl makes SO much more sense than in did in that horrendous last season.
whoever let D&D take control of the show must really regret their decision.
@@WilliamJulienNkogheOlympio they themselves bought the rights to the TV adaption.
They hinted it from like day one
@@tobiwayne7725 When tho? I never heard them give any backstory to the hound besides getting his face burned.
@@philc5499 once all the martells die no one is able to avenge their sister so who else to avenge their sister then the mountain own brother who was his first victim
He became the undead Frankenmountain!
If we want to be faithful to Mary Shelly, then Qyburn would be Frankenstein, and Gregor's reanimated body would be the monster.
How did he turn like that?
Forgot to mention Gregor was notorious for hogging the Atari 2600 as well. When he would let Sandor play, they'd play Combat and Gregor would force Sandor to be that large plane just so Gregor could blast his little brother without mercy. If that isn't the mark of a sick bastard, I don't know what is....
I made my mom and dad do the same thing because being the bomber SUCKED!
He also used to hold a finger right in front of Szandor's nose in the back seat of the carriage and say "I'm not touching you!", and was fond of the "Two for Flinching" game and "Indian Rug-Burns".
In the books you could hear him screaming in pain for days as the poison worked on him before he diedn and that Cersei was sick of hearing his screams.
I really hate Gregor, more than other characters like Cersei or Joffery. He's just dang vicious....
but when do we judge inuenda as guilt. didnt say hundreds saw him break the qoute rules of the society... just rumors of maybe... you should be ashamed
@@glenc661 shut up nerd
@@davidlewisjohnson4235 omg im sooooo insulted... bet you loved daneys also
I hate Gregor because he reminds me of my own dickhead big brother. Gregor is exactly like him.
Gregor burned his younger brother's face, my dickhead brother hit me in the head multiple times with a Ruler,kicked and punched me so hard in the face everytime i did not do what he wanted me to do.
@@hunggamerofficial3252 bit different ones brothers rough housing other is assault 🤣
Also in the books he and his man tell a story about how they were all in a inn and the innkeeper's daughter was bringing them the food and drink and all and that they groped and touched her so that the innkeeper had a word with Gregor. As response he raped the daughter and every of his man had a round with her and they even killed or greatly injured the brother who wanted to protect his sister. They then say at the end that she was 13 yrs old and all had a laugh like that was a fine funny tale.
I seldom felt so much hate for fictional characters
He was scary in the books because because while his conduct was monstrous, he was a human being. In the TV series he's initially just a big hothead whom they literally turn into a Frankenstein's Monster in order to make him scary. Kind of weird, given the way D&D banged on about not wanting much to do with the magic/supernatural side of the story.
I remember that part and absolutely hating all of them. One small redeeming thing about that part though, is Arya overhears one of the soldiers telling the story and she has Jacqen kill him....but that isn’t anywhere near justice. I wanted her to say Gregor Clegane’s name so badly at that moment, but then she wastes it on that kitchen server....
@@jjron1722 yeah Arya kinda wasted all her 3 death wishes but she is a little child so it makes sense
@Sk8FraSch
Yeah but also just bringing food to the table is simple, so maybe that's why. Young girls in medieval setting hardly have the skills for management
@@jjron1722 The three names should have been Joffrey, Cersei and Tywin. Though Tywin had nothing to do with Ned's death it would have been the best method of crippling the Lannisters.
I am legit angry about not knowing Sandor had a sister.
I always wondered about why he was so protective of Sansa and Arya. It was a brotherly instinct. That needed to be said. They included the scene of Pycelle not being as physically feeble as he presented which I never heard of in the books either.
This was an important piece of character backstory.
But the scene with pycelle a a fishing tywin was cut off the show iirc. It's weird that such an important scene didn't make it to the actual episodes.
If you want all backstory for each character you need to read the books in full. When creating a tv show they are forced to edit as they see fit. You’re then at their mercy. Take the time to read them if you enjoy reading, they are wonderfully written
Nah. They covered it just fine. He was sick of life as a Westeros Kingsguard and started off using Arya to look for service in Robs army, probably as a knight in his service.
Clegan reminds me of the God of War. Will not think twice about killing a man. But is protective of women.
I do have to ask, why must there be context given as to why a man is protective of women?
In order to clear him of being a creep?
He was also protective of Arya!
Honestly one of the scariest characters in the books. The description of the Mountain combined with his physical stature makes even more scary. Ramsay and Joffrey are scary but not at this level
I'd have to go back and check, but I think I remember reading that Ser Gregor smashed a toddler's face in with a mace because the kid was crying. And the things he did or ordered done at Harrenhal. Yikes.
thing is most of us could probably beat joffrey up, making him appear less threatening. but the mountain? hells nah
Ramsay is more terrifying and much more deadly than the mountain.
Throw Euron in as one of he scariest characters in the novels.
I don’t know, Ramsay is just a tad more disturbing 😢
Sandor sees his face in the final battle scene between them in the show. I'm sure He says "yeah that's you, that's what you've always been."
I'm surprised you missed that out.
Wasn't it mentioned in one of the books that even his own men were terrified of him, and Gregor would beat and even maim them if they failed at anything?
When he fought Oberyn the first things they said to each other hits so much harder now. Oberyn said "do you know who I am?" and he only replied with; "Some dead man." It would make so much sense if being controlled by his own hate and anger to be used as a pawn of pure bloodshed even after his death. Just a tool of pure bloodthirst and rage.
Another thing that occured to me, that wasn't mentioned in the show is the story Chiswyck told in ACOK about the Mountain and his men raping the Tavern keepers daughter 😡
When he gave the tavern keeper a gold dragon and forced him to give him his change? Honestly, I found that hilarious but SUPER fucked up.
I thought that would be in the video for sure, tmit was rough to read but it was a window into how horrible he was.
What's also funny was when I got to the part where Chiswyck gets pushed off a wall lmao
@@desmondgentle1474 Like a small gold dragon statue or something with no monetary value?? I don't get it...
"Gold Dragons" are the golden coins in ASOIAF.
The mountain and the hounds story IS the reason for Sandor and Sansa, the sheer amount of foreshadowing throughout Santa’s POV from the fingers to the Eyrie is ALL about innocence lost and fairytale. The Hound WAS a dreamer he sees himself and his sister in Sansa it’s why he came to her when Kings Landing burned and he was afraid of the fire. It’s one of the most disappointing plot points dumped by D&D.
Do you mean to say Arya?
Didn't no less a prophet than King Robert Baratheon himself say to Ned about Lady's "execution" something to the effect of "A dire wolf is no pet for a girl, get her a 'dog' instead!"
I'm only half-kidding about the "prophet" thing: seems like King Robert was used for quite a bit of foreshadowing for the Stark children....
If I remember correctly, then there are some small details scattered thorough the books that imply that the Mountain suffers from intense migraines, and when he's not preparing for battle he's either drunk or taking milk of the poppy to counter the pain, the later to the point where he has built resistance to it. It might be an additional factor as to why he is so overly violent.
I have migraines. Alcohol does help but the alcohol doesnt fix the visual impairment or the dizziness. Just the pain. Marijuana was the best cure though it would allow me to function just fine. Ill wake up after a night of drinking n know i have a migraine cause i wont be able to see well n will be clumsy. Same as a full blown migraine but no pain
@@treatb09 He probably has gigantism and suffers from intense migraines as a result of his gh being really high. Maybe that's why he was so angry as a child and as an adult.
Other Wards he was a morphine or heroine addict
We all say how awful it is to be married to Ramsay Bolton; imagine being married off to the Mountain.
Hafthor Bjornsson was inspired casting.
I preferred the first casting.....
@@mrsdixon3524 Yea, plus he was a good few inches taller
@@user-el8nj2ot5t he also looked more like the Hound
Brian Shaw would've done it, but he was too busy being WSM.
@@jaycowper brian shaw would have been an awful choice to represent a cruel giant... he could have been a good hodor tho
This is also why Arya is a little girl version of The Hound in so many ways.
Gregor Clegane is GRR Martin's tribute to the Bluebeard ( the wife killer) legend. Can't remember if it's a Grimm's Brothers tale.
like in every grimm tale they only took it over from local folklore the story originated in France i think
Bluebeard was actually Henri Landru, a french wife killer...
I remember looking for why the Mountain's eyes were redenning, then seeing someone say he was dying, but not that it was from Prince Oberyn's *poisoned sword! Thanks for this!
In books his name is now Robert Strong and we know that his head was given to Dorne, maybe Quburn actually put the head of King Robert in the body of mountain.
The book just mentions a very large skull being sent. But earlier Cersei placed a bounty on Tyrion's head and several very large dwarf heads were sent to the Red Keep. I always thought one of these oversized skulls was sent to Dorne and passed off as the Mountain's skull.
This would explain why he appears so decayed in the face.
@@JS-gz1wg, yes, unlikely Gregors skull.
They would have sent the whole head if it was real one.
I didn't snap on the Hound protecting the Stark girl as a response to the circumstance under which he lost his sister. That is awesome. Thanks for that insight :)
Another great video ! Thank you Talking Thrones
I disagree, i did not want the CleganeBowl. The Hound Journey is over, he found peace. The Mountain is dead, he's a zombie. there's no point to have the Hound regress in his arc just to kill a dead man
In the books he isn’t redeemed at all. Only knows he is likely still alive with peaceful pacifists. We know nothing else. There is a big difference between being a better man and being such a better man that you can’t deal with pure evil when you see it because it’s above you. That would be even more far-fetched
@@conors4430 did I use the word redeemed? Things we know more than that to be allowed to remain on the island for a length of time and backed by the fact he doesn’t talk, he took vows, those vow are not only of silence but of pacifism and required him to let go of his hate and anger of the Mountain. And again what would be the point anyway, the Mountain is dead. Killing a dead husk is empty of meaning
@@oliviawilliams6204 Granted ...with The Mountain dead, the old cliche still stands...“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Sandor wasn't exactly a pure good man, but he was willing to give his life to make sure that "husk" didn't continue doing what The Mountain had done. How could any man find peace knowing there is something like Robert Strong in the world when he could do something about it?
@@oliviawilliams6204 The Mountain was pure evil, though, and that evil didn't die on Qyburn's table. It's obvious that SRTS is still Ser Gregor under all that armor and rot, by the way he immediately disregards the commands of Cersei and Qyburn once confronted by his brother.
So ultimately, The Mountain wasn't dead. He had just become much harder to kill.
5:38 "just wait it gets scarier" "the dogs were afraid to enter the hall "
Gotta give that to Martin. He was able to create so many exciting characters.
Till he ran himself into a crisis. You can only create so many characters in such a small world.
I really wish this were in the show. I just finished watching it through the first time this past week, and I remember thinking in their final battle, “does sandor really care this much over when they were children?” But this would’ve made so much more impact for that scene
It's implied the skull was probably one of the dwarves killed and brought to Cersei.
They dropped the ball big time with this series they could and should have explained why the hound hates the mountain so much. I always wondered why he hated him so much for burning his face. He was the killer of his entire family which explains his deep hatred for him much better on top of the fact Sandor is actually a somewhat honorable man.
Even without that extra information from the books, The TV Mountain was still a terrifying, and truly awful character.
In the show he was presented as more of a tool even before he became a zombie, which kind of ruined the primal evil that he was meant to represent.
@@oliverp3545 idk, I thought the show conveyed how much of a monster he was, but I'd read the books so who knows how much of that transferred to TV.
@@frustrateduser9933 he's shown as a more passive force, and stuff like him asking Cercei "who do you need killing" puts more focus on her as a villain rather than him being a monster.
Thanks for this. New insights are awesome and truly scary.
I think there is another piece of information about Gregor that I thought is also super interesting:
his intense headaches, according to his squire he consumes large quantities of milk of the poppy for it regularly, tso they must be pretty severe... which could be an explanation for his uncontrollable rage and maybe even for him being so tall and muscular
Migraines are a symptom of gigantism. He probably also has back and joint pains.
Poppy doesn't make you tall and muscular.
@@jakemac1396 I did not say that the poppy made him tall and muscular, but that his headaches cause the pain and rage and milk-of-poppy-abuse, as said above, they might indicate a medical condition like gigantism
@@sues4664 oh ok sorry. Well he certainly has that. He's 9ft tall
@@jakemac1396 No he's not
My grandpa was a big man, 6'11, college football player. His brother played for the Kansas City chiefs back when they won the super bowl in the 60's? I couldn't imagine someone a foot taller then my grandpa was.
You just did imagen it.
@@monkeyboyz100 nope, I literally see my gramps when I try to picture it lol. How he had to duck under doorways, etc. I try to imagine someone a foot taller, but my brain won't let me lol
I think Cersei actually sent the Martell's the skull of one of the dwarfs that was presented to her as Tyrion's. They describe the skull as be grotesquely large, and she tells them to keep it, that it may come in handy. Soon after, the Martell's receive a skull, and it's even suspected that it may not even be his real skull. It's only accepted as such because it's so unusually large. But the implication is pretty obvious. Cersei sent the dwarf skull in place of the Mountains.
Ah, the irony
I’ll be honest... just started the first book. These videos are so helpful in understanding the show!! Brings another element to it! I will have to watch again !!!
Irl, the actor who played as mountain, is a gentle giant. 😁😁😁
Exactly! He is Hafthor Bjornsson, and he is an Icelandair strong man, and yes...he is a really gentle man!
Yeah, he's apparently a really cool guy. Funny that he would get a role like this, but I suppose there wasn't anyone else who could pull this off.
He was accused of beating his ex girlfriends. And i heard that he beat a lot of people to a pulp while drunk in his home country iceland way before he was famous.
@@mrgame97Being accused of something means literally nothing at all. History proves this, reality and current events prove this and anyone with a healthy mindset understands how accusations are thrown about far more than actual events in life. Take it all with a grain of salt until you are 100% sure of something.
I like to call him frankenstein's mountain after qyburn "heals" him.
I'm almost positive the skull sent to dorne was the skull of one of the dwarves that was brought to Cersei. One of the dwarves had an unusually large head. That's why they had the flesh stripped from it.
The books were EPIC!!!
I am so looking forward to the next book!!
Might be waiting another couple years lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It won't come out
You'll be waiting forever
If we ever get another book. And there's to be another one after that? I'm pretty sure GRRM will die before he ends the entire story and it'll be finished by someone else.
In this world the mountain would’ve gotten his head blown off
Na man he was purple not black 🤣
Just make sure to use slug. Even buckshot might not do the job (if u could get only one or two shots).
in our world he'd probably be special forces or hired by a PMC, either way he'd have been pardoned for war crimes at least once
@@elizabethcarter-jones6851 too big for special forces
In our world he'd be making fast and furious 24 with the rock
The Mountain is unironically top 3 most evil character in the book, though IDK if he is completely congenitally aware of his actions. He always struck me as kind of a slow strong person who never got told no.
Agreed, all of his evil deeds seem to be out of pure impulse or as directed by the Lannisters. Not a whole lot of thought going on in that head.
Duh
Another great video, gracias!
Definitely think the mountain was under utilised in S7 and S8. Apart from cleganebowl, seeing him fight more e.g. against a white walker or the Night King would've been awesome.
Good point, what could the Night King do to someone in the Mountains then current state? He was both dead yet animated.
The white Walker's wife would be like...honey I didn't know you had bastards down south.
Great job and thank you
Best GoT RUclipsr out there. Keep it up my man!
So happy! More Mountain videos about what Qyburn did to him PLEASE! I appreciate your videos! I know you covered it a little a few years ago, but I want to hear more perspective on it! Thank you! ❤️👍
Yes i love speculated video of how he's changed by Qyburn
thank you for making this video. I always wondered why they gave the hound a soft side. The books would of clearly explained it , thank you for clearing this out.
Really good video thanks 😊
Keep making these videos!🙂
your channel awesome bro keep it up
I always wanted Brienne to be discovered as the lost sister. I think it’s still a possibility. I’m not denying her status as a Lady, or a Knight. I just thought the tall and fierce nature, kept her as a kindred spirit. ✌️
yeah she's also big, but there is a theory that she is a descendant of Ser Duncan the tall: a kings guard..
@@bericdondarrion247
It's been hinted by Martin that all of the large human characters in the book, Hodor, Brienne, and the Cleganes are all descendants of Ser Duncan.
@@waterdamnaged Martin has confirmed that Brienne and Hodor are Dunk's descendants. I never heard about the Cleganes being too.
@@TheWatcher802 If you are referring to the same interview I'm thinking of, he doesn't actually confirm anything. The question put to him was if Old Nan had a fling with Duncan back in the day, producing Hodor's parentage. Giving Hodor his unusually tall stature. His response is to laugh and not to give a definitive yes, but to expand the idea to include Brienne's and "others" unusually tall statures as being possible evidence of Ser Duncan's travels throughout the 7 kingdoms.
He only mentions Hodor and Brienne by name, but he specifically mentions the other characters who are all described as unusually tall. He could have been cheekily dismissing the theory by drawing attention that the only evidence for it is widespread throughout the books, or he could have been hinting that there more than a few characters who meet the same criteria for being Dunk's children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren ... Pretty much all the characters whom Martin has described as being "unusually tall", but ultimately he's leaving it up to the reader to make that leap if at all.
The Cleganes meet the criteria.
Omg this is crazy love the info and vid
Well put!! ... however, I'm watching this at 2:40am...? I think it's going to ruin any chance of sleep tonight.
Great explanation of hidden character history.
You forgot the part about him alone with the nun… what he did there still remains a secret
I don't think I want to know. She was a horrible person, but...🙈
Daaamn I wish they'd have said this in the show. It was hard to believe hound had this bloody vengeful vendetta all because he burned his face as a kid. Should have known there was more to the story.
@KR Gilmore I mean they got along all those years just fine it would seem 🤷🏾♂️
Great videos.
The MOUNTAIN THAT RIIIIIDES!
Interesting stuff u do, ty
Not so fun fact: Gregor may be based on Gilles de Rais, a French knight who was found guilty of being a child serial killer.
I learned something new again. Thanks for the info. As always, I enjoyed the insight you’ve given. 🤗
Why do I think Sir Robert the Strong is going to be Robb Stark's head (or his direwolf's head) on Gregor Clegane's body?
Or Robert Baratheon's head on Gregor's body
@@TrainLechoo i was thinking the same i mean robert the strong he did kill men with hammers when he was younger
That's an idea that hadn't occurred to me. I personally think it would have been easier -- and perhaps more appropriate -- for Qyburn to use Robert Baratheon's head instead. For one thing, Robb's body was at the Frey's. For another, Robert was a big man, bigger than Robb Stark; his head would have fit the Mountain's body better, I think.
Also, the direwolf's head wouldn't have fit inside that helm; it's the wrong shape.
I'm such a geek! *lol*
Wow the dogs were afraid of him. Just imagine if the skinned man was afraid of the boltons. This just wouldn't be right
Definitely one of my favorite evil characters from the show. I wish the final fight was done better though. I dont feel those two iconic men didn't have a better duel
I’m surprised you didn’t bring that ominous scene where he’s left alone with the nun . What does he do to her ? Do we even want to know ? ....
You don’t want too trust me
@@richorockins1091 please tell me, I know its gruesome but I want to know. I always pondered the same question.
@@horus8117 we don’t know yet. It’s not in the books yet.
reep
they ate lunchables, (the pizza kind), while they played parcheesi for hours followed by a pillow fight. You guy's just need to read the Manga
It gets worse, I heard Gregor would always leave 8 seconds on the microwave.
The monster.!
He didn't rewind VHS cassettes either!
He did not flush the toilet either...what a brute🤣🤣🤣
@@Wolverines4ever-sl1js he always left the lid down too
@@residentrump3271 🤣🤣🤣🤣
re: the mountains head. The maestor told cersei he could use the murdered dwarfs head from when cersei put a bounty out on tyrion could help him with his work. I always assumed he used it to replace the mountains head.
Clegane bowl wasn't good enough. We needed half an episode of them punching and throwing each other through walls and statues.
Thanks for the video. I’m watching the series again and didn’t know that. Now am wondering what else I don’t know. Do the books explain more about the rebellion with the mountain fighting with Ned Stark?
Keep em coming!
I don't know why, but one of the most disturbing things we ever learn about the Mountain (in my opinion) is when we find out that he has a tremendously severe addiction to "milk of the poppy", which is the Westerosi version of a super-strong opium tincture like Laudanum. GRRM is at pains to illustrate that this milk of the poppy is SERIOUS stuff - a small dose knocks normal men out for days, and even just taking a *TINY* bit too much can lead to someone dying in their sleep. Again, this is not dissimilar from Laudanum which was also super-strong and difficult to dose properly.
Anyway, Ser Gregor suffers from intense headaches and other pains (almost certainly because of his absurd size) and is described in the books as "quaffing [milk of the poppy] like ale" on a regular basis, just to not be in intense pain all the time. If you know anything about opiate addiction, the fact that Ser Gregor isn't just a violent massive sociopathic murdering rapist, but also one who is doped up and high as a kite all the time with probably a REALLY severe physical dependence on the stuff.
I think it kinda makes the degree to which he suffered in the weeks before he died even more horrific to contemplate, knowing that he was probably suffering from unimaginable pain *and* the worst drug withdrawal imaginable on top of whatever scary insane poison Oberyn gave him ripping through his flesh. I doubt Qyburn let him chug his entire supply of milk of the poppy (and more) which is likely what Ser Gregor needed to treat even a shadow of what he was going through.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
I don’t remember this
Makes sense. Now the question is did the drug make him a monster or did being a monster make him do the drug. In other words, was he born a monster or did he become a monster trough his misfortune.
I gives to oberyn, even thou he died, that he fucked up the mountain with the poison. Supposedly oberyn used magic to make the poison work even slower. Sure Gregor remained alive but basically lived in tremendous pain and agony plus being half dead.
The Mountain is a buffed Darth Vader without the Anakin back story.
Still waiting for that Goat and Mountain episode.
The TV show makes the Mountain out as a 2d henchman when in the books he's a 3d villian.
With all the filler in the series you'd think they'd have had time to flesh out the Hound and Mountain story a lot more.
If the mountain 5 older younger than he should have been 10-12 when he burned his brother face. 6ft at 10 would be insane. Imagine if one of the wives he killed had a son that grew just as big as him and wanted to actually murder him.
Actually, my son's father was 6' tall by age 11 and stocky / muscular. In short, he would have been physically able to do what Gregor did to Sandor at that age. (Then he stopped growing! His mom confirmed this.) Also, a classmate of mine in school was almost 6' tall when he started high school, then reached 6'7" or so by graduation. Things like this can happen, it's all in the growth hormones and testosterone surges.
And yes, Gregor would have been about 12, being 5 years older than Sandor.
Fun fact, the mountain in the books is supposed to be somewhere around 8 feet plus
That tidbit about a younger sister explains a lot about the way he interacted with Sansa especially. I did wonder, watching the series, if he had had a daughter or a sister he'd seen be abused, just because it seems to sting him very deeply when he sees cruelty done unto Sansa, as if it brought back painful memories. I wish they had at least mentioned this in the series.
Great vid
I know this video is a while ago now, but recently iv been reading the books. To be honest, I think the only reason why the house of Clegane story was kept so secret. Was because everyone who ever spoke of them were feared. As gregor or "the mountain" was described... A force of nature that no one should reckon with or a giant amongst most men and women alike within the books.
Top class! 👌
The way you end the video game me chills
*Just give his name to Jaqen H'ghar*
Thank you.
The words of House Clegane should be "Fear Our Bite."
And Sandor's own personal words should be "Protector of Wolves" since he did his best to help both of his favorite little Starks.
@@ADamselInDesign that could work for personal words or a title actually
Nah, I like "We Lift" because it conjures up images of Sandor and Gregor asking each other, "Do you even *lift*, bro?"
In the books exactly everyone is a worse person in every way. That struck me as a major theme of the novels, a civilization in civil war, driving itself off a cliff.
All the outcasts and toads are basically decent, all the ingroup is the worst.
Makes me wonder if Martin was always a toad and an outcast so he wrote about the same as the non-villains.
That’s what I wonder if he was bullied growing up and he wrote about bad people getting what they deserved. He even said he wished he could be as quick as Tyrion with a comeback, he said I think of something days after the fact and think I really should have said that.
Gregor has no morals, but is fiercely loyal to certain Lannisters, even after he is changed into a mindless semi-undead. If he was to ever question his loyalty, Cersei would be in trouble
I think it would be the most shocking if Gregor has Rob’s head.
That would be heart breaking.
@@erikrungemadsen2081 It very well could happen.
@@shannond7437 There is quite a bit forshadowing it, but i doubt it.
Don't forget the dwarf's head that's brought to Cercei after she puts a contract out on Tyrion.
Quiburn asks if he can have it, saying it might be of use in his 'experiments'.
Fits the timeline of events too.
The possibility that Qyburn could have used Robert Baratheon's head is actually implied by the name Qyburn gave him: Robert the Strong. I realize they kept a dwarf's head aside to play with; however that's not necessarily the head they actually used. The dwarf's head could have been a decoy, to hide the fact that they desecrated Robert's grave to use his head instead; which would actually fit the Mountain's huge body better.
Also, the dwarf's head would have been far too small to keep that helm in place! The head's eyes wouldn't have been visible through the helm's eye slits if they were the dwarf's. Thus they needed a bigger head, so, Robert's.
Just my two cents. :-)
Damn, i have to read the books!
People who only watched the show, were horrified at times. Book readers, you guys got the Disney version.
There’s going to be so many show only watchers that are utterly confused at what’s going on when they read Winds of Winter.
@@Parnell07 the people who only watch the show won't read Winds of Winter.
@@damnunicorn4562 Will definitely buy it cos of the hype and it’ll stay on their bookshelf forever unread.
@subcomandante marcos Sadly, you may be right. Hopefully, Martin with allow another author to finish the books.
@@faust13301 im reading through the books now so im up to date for when winds comes out. Currently halfway through CoK
That was a pretty interesting episode. It also makes sense (about the removal of the head) when a dwarf's head was brought to Kyburn and Cercei in Kyburn's lab and since it wasn't Tyrion's head, Kyburn said he 'may have a use for that". And no I don't know how to spell any of these people's names - so please forgive me.
Gregor is a man of cruelty violence and lust along with being insanely powerful along with being a knight scary thing is that while he may not have technique like his one thing that is always from fights is experience with dealing with certain opponents which brings up the question if the mountain was around as long as Arthur dayne what would his fighting style turned into
One of my biggest disclosures, of the show.
Lack of detail about whatever qyburn actually did to the mountain.
Just based on how many heads of "Tyrion" brought to Cersi, I think they boiled a random skull so the features were gone on someone's skull and it wasn't the Mountain
It would be kinda hard to kill a man that has no head.