12:44 yes that area is very close to the Philippines completely far from China. The main goal of China is to control the international sea lanes. The world are not stupid and are watching. Why ignore the Velarde map of 1734.
Ancient Filipinos already made SCS as their traditional fishing grounds since pre-colonial era before Spanish. Filipinos also are good and expert sailors and islanders.
It belongs to the Philippines. China is aggressively expanding its territories. Philippines should accelerate their set up of the military base on the island. PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
China is actually more restrained than Taiwan. Read up the history of what Taiwan’s navy tried to do when the Philippines citizen seized Thitu Island after Taiwan evacuated the island due to a typhoon in 1971. It is also telling that the Filipino seized Thitu island for himself in the name of “Freedomland” and not the Philippines. In fact, when Taiwan protested his occupation of the island, the Filipino government disavowed the actions of their own citizen. The Taiwanese navy went back to Thitu to confiscate his weapons and burn down his buildings on the island. If it were not for the intervention of the Americans who forced Taiwan to back down, things would have probably escalated further.
@@Blixey-r9zthey should settled it with UNCLOS but taiwan will lose coz titu island near Philippines is it ,everyone want to grab Philippines EEZ BUt then want their help in war NO FREE riding
As per the 1950 San Francisco Conference and J.F. Dulles understanding clarified in '55, Taiwan is independent, not being a Japanese territory, but not ceded to the PRC or ROC. It is time now for Democratic Taiwan to begin to clean up their defunct ROC nine-dash concept that the CCP have appropriated, dis-acknowledge it in support of UNCLOS and clarify any Island claims with Japan and Philippines to build shared governance and economic/security understandings. It is time for Taiwan to be proactive re the legal precedents and their legitimate sovereignty. The lunacy of the CCP and the KMT concretizing their anachronistic fictions is over-tired and reactionary. The PRC and Putin de-imperializing foreign policy, stopping the genocides, building human rights law is what the world is waiting for.
*International laws* are very clear on the South China Sea: - parts of it belong to some ASEAN countries, including Philippines 🇵🇭, - the rest of it is the international water, - no part of it belongs to China🇨🇳 or Taiwan🇹🇼.
How can we understand the discussion when one of the resource speakers keeps saying that the Philippines "fired" legal protests 😅? Oh, that's fiery alright!🤣 Solly!
What does Marcos Jr of the Philippines want? To talk and negotiate or to confront and conflict? China knows the Hegemonic US is leading and directing Marcos Jr from behind
The dash line claim (the origins of which was from the Taiwanese government and remains part of Taiwan’s claim to this date) was not declared illegal per se by the PCA 2016 decision. It is true the dash line is not based on the provisions in the UNCLOS treaty. That is because the UNCLOS treaty is not about the international law regarding sovereignty. The dash line is a symbolic collective representation of China’s claims. More precise maritime charts with delimitations and boundaries will be drawn and settled according to the provisions of UNCLOs after the sovereignty disputes over the maritime features have been settled. Under customary international law, sovereignty is determined by factors like discovery, historical title, effective occupation, official acts, official documents, international treaties, official maps, acquiescence, abandonment etc. Geographical location and proximity are often not material considerations when deciding sovereignty disputes. There are many examples of islands and territories that fly a distant sovereign flag from its adjacent neighbours. There are many examples of this: Phú Qúoc Island, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, The Falklands, Gibraltar, Greek Islands in the Eastern Mediterranean off the coast of Turkey, Puerto Rico, The US and British Virgin Islands, Pedra Blanca….. etc. The 2008 ICJ case of Pedra Blanca and Middle Rocks illustrates this point. Pedra Branca is a cluster of high tide rocks with a lighthouse built on it; and Middle Rocks are high tide rocks that did not have any man-made structures at the time of litigation. These rocks lie in closer proximity to Malaysia than Singapore; Malaysia even held the historical title to the rocks via the Johor Sultanate. However, after Singapore gained its independence from Malaya in 1965, Singapore continued to occupy, maintain and administer the lighthouse on Pedra Branca for many decades without objection from the Malaysians. Both Singapore and Malaysia consented to submit the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. The ICJ awarded the sovereignty of Pedra Branca to Singapore while the Middle Rocks were awarded to Malaysia. The legal principles (acquiescence & abandonment) that established the transference of sovereignty/title of Pedra Branca from Malaysia to Singapore had nothing to do with proximity or UNCLOS.
The 2016 Arbitral Ruling Declared that the China’s 9/0/11-Dash Line Claim to have no legal basis. This Ruling also applies to Taiwan. The Philippines has both the historical rights from when the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal were part of the Philippines under Spain and under the US after cession. The Philippines also has geographic rights under UNCLOS EEZ.
@ I am an ASEAN citizen and not from China. In fact, I received and liberal western education in the West (hence am able to read Western media misinformation/disinformation and engage in the discussion). As I have pointed out, settling the sovereignty dispute of the Spratlys is going to be complicated as multiple parties (China-Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines & Malaysia) are involved in the competing sovereignty claims over the Spratly Islands; Indonesia and Brunei are not asserting any sovereignty claims over the Spratlys but have maritime entitlement (EEZ) claims under UNCLOS that might overlap with China’s claim. The current body of international law is poorly developed to resolve this dispute equitably; if we were to follow historic and legal precedents, younger countries like the Philippines and Malaysia would be disadvantaged and China will probably win the case. It is, actually, in the interests of the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam to avoid cooperating and submitting the case for arbitration before a truly unbiased tribunal (if one actually exists). The Chinese will also never recognise the Taiwanese claim as a separate or distinct one in court either.
@ The lines printed in the official maps registered in UN file are really boundary lines. Now China protects those lines for Taiwan against Philippines.
China is doing Taiwan a favour of claiming the territorial water in the South China Seas. The Marcos Jr administration is a puppet of the US to create wars in the South China Seas.
Japan renounced it’s claims to the Spratlys and Paracels in the San Francisco Peace Treaty. They were never part of the ROC or CCP before WW2. They were therefore not “returned” to China or Taiwan in any Treaty. Taiwan is there illegally.
As an outside observer, the US should not be involved in the South China Seas. It should be resolved between China and the other Asean countries, claimants to the sealanes in the South China Seas.
12:44 yes that area is very close to the Philippines completely far from China. The main goal of China is to control the international sea lanes. The world are not stupid and are watching. Why ignore the Velarde map of 1734.
Because the Philippines as a nation did not exist then.
Ancient Filipinos already made SCS as their traditional fishing grounds since pre-colonial era before Spanish.
Filipinos also are good and expert sailors and islanders.
Ancient Flips? The forefathers of Tasaday!
@lindaho4554 What flips?
Chinas historical claim is a false narrative xu jin ping stop your greediness just get out of our own eez
correct
It belongs to the Philippines. China is aggressively expanding its territories. Philippines should accelerate their set up of the military base on the island. PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.
We are in a pre-war state, war is enevitable..... Arigatou Gozaimazu....😮❤
nine dash line of china"imaginary line" vs 1734 Murillo Velarde map of the Philippines
If you want to escalate then with what ? Everyone know ccp is a bully
China is actually more restrained than Taiwan. Read up the history of what Taiwan’s navy tried to do when the Philippines citizen seized Thitu Island after Taiwan evacuated the island due to a typhoon in 1971. It is also telling that the Filipino seized Thitu island for himself in the name of “Freedomland” and not the Philippines. In fact, when Taiwan protested his occupation of the island, the Filipino government disavowed the actions of their own citizen. The Taiwanese navy went back to Thitu to confiscate his weapons and burn down his buildings on the island. If it were not for the intervention of the Americans who forced Taiwan to back down, things would have probably escalated further.
China on its own a bully.. Philippines wants USA, Japan, Australia, German, UK to 'help'.. Who the bully?
@@Blixey-r9z chinese claiming other countries EEZ not there own.
@@Blixey-r9zthey should settled it with UNCLOS but taiwan will lose coz titu island near Philippines is it ,everyone want to grab Philippines EEZ BUt then want their help in war NO FREE riding
Giving in to bullies, makes them Stop?
As per the 1950 San Francisco Conference and J.F. Dulles understanding clarified in '55, Taiwan is independent, not being a Japanese territory, but not ceded to the PRC or ROC.
It is time now for Democratic Taiwan to begin to clean up their defunct ROC nine-dash concept that the CCP have appropriated, dis-acknowledge it in support of UNCLOS and clarify any Island claims with Japan and Philippines to build shared governance and economic/security understandings.
It is time for Taiwan to be proactive re the legal precedents and their legitimate sovereignty.
The lunacy of the CCP and the KMT concretizing their anachronistic fictions is over-tired and reactionary. The PRC and Putin de-imperializing foreign policy, stopping the genocides, building human rights law is what the world is waiting for.
Nine dash line??? That's China's own map not a maritime map. SPRATELY ISLAND IS IN WEST PHILIPPINES SEA. CHINA IS VERY GOOD AT MAKING THEIR OWN MAP...
*International laws* are very clear on the South China Sea:
- parts of it belong to some ASEAN countries, including Philippines 🇵🇭,
- the rest of it is the international water,
- no part of it belongs to China🇨🇳 or Taiwan🇹🇼.
I love taiwan from philippines❤
Great dialogue and set layout. 😊
EMBATTLED PHILIPPINES
NINE DASH LINE IS NOT RECOGNIZE INTERNATIONALLY BY THE HAGUE ARBITRAL RULING..
How can we understand the discussion when one of the resource speakers keeps saying that the Philippines "fired" legal protests 😅? Oh, that's fiery alright!🤣 Solly!
Historic claim .your joking in your head chinese. 😅😅😅
The south asia sea is not south china sea.
It's time we rename the South China Sea the Southeast Asian Sea.
Funny answer
BBM, how can you escalate with nothing against China 🇨🇳??? 😂😂😂
it has already escalated...
Same as taiwan size taiwan island from China
Marcos needs to show more muscle in protecting the Philippines!
This is the fault of China's best friend Duterte
What muscles has Bobo? Muscles made by the US or the Taiwanese Chinese?
What does Marcos Jr of the Philippines want? To talk and negotiate or to confront and conflict? China knows the Hegemonic US is leading and directing Marcos Jr from behind
Why china did not take all island they said their ancestors rest there take them all
all island inside Philippines eez already occupied by ph but the reef and rock Chinese pirates want to steal to build fake island.
CCP is cp 😮
China you are so interested in the natutal resources you want the gas of ph waters .and other petroleum and other
Chinese really not necessary ?.just optional .you must be joking . You are intrested in the natural resources in philippines waters...
The dash line claim (the origins of which was from the Taiwanese government and remains part of Taiwan’s claim to this date) was not declared illegal per se by the PCA 2016 decision. It is true the dash line is not based on the provisions in the UNCLOS treaty. That is because the UNCLOS treaty is not about the international law regarding sovereignty. The dash line is a symbolic collective representation of China’s claims. More precise maritime charts with delimitations and boundaries will be drawn and settled according to the provisions of UNCLOs after the sovereignty disputes over the maritime features have been settled.
Under customary international law, sovereignty is determined by factors like discovery, historical title, effective occupation, official acts, official documents, international treaties, official maps, acquiescence, abandonment etc.
Geographical location and proximity are often not material considerations when deciding sovereignty disputes. There are many examples of islands and territories that fly a distant sovereign flag from its adjacent neighbours. There are many examples of this: Phú Qúoc Island, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, The Falklands, Gibraltar, Greek Islands in the Eastern Mediterranean off the coast of Turkey, Puerto Rico, The US and British Virgin Islands, Pedra Blanca….. etc.
The 2008 ICJ case of Pedra Blanca and Middle Rocks illustrates this point. Pedra Branca is a cluster of high tide rocks with a lighthouse built on it; and Middle Rocks are high tide rocks that did not have any man-made structures at the time of litigation. These rocks lie in closer proximity to Malaysia than Singapore; Malaysia even held the historical title to the rocks via the Johor Sultanate. However, after Singapore gained its independence from Malaya in 1965, Singapore continued to occupy, maintain and administer the lighthouse on Pedra Branca for many decades without objection from the Malaysians. Both Singapore and Malaysia consented to submit the sovereignty dispute to the ICJ. The ICJ awarded the sovereignty of Pedra Branca to Singapore while the Middle Rocks were awarded to Malaysia. The legal principles (acquiescence & abandonment) that established the transference of sovereignty/title of Pedra Branca from Malaysia to Singapore had nothing to do with proximity or UNCLOS.
The 2016 Arbitral Ruling Declared that the China’s 9/0/11-Dash Line Claim to have no legal basis. This Ruling also applies to Taiwan.
The Philippines has both the historical rights from when the Spratlys and Scarborough Shoal were part of the Philippines under Spain and under the US after cession. The Philippines also has geographic rights under UNCLOS EEZ.
If your so confident with your arguments why don't you submit them to a third independent party for arbitration to settle this claim once and for all?
@ I am an ASEAN citizen and not from China. In fact, I received and liberal western education in the West (hence am able to read Western media misinformation/disinformation and engage in the discussion). As I have pointed out, settling the sovereignty dispute of the Spratlys is going to be complicated as multiple parties (China-Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines & Malaysia) are involved in the competing sovereignty claims over the Spratly Islands; Indonesia and Brunei are not asserting any sovereignty claims over the Spratlys but have maritime entitlement (EEZ) claims under UNCLOS that might overlap with China’s claim. The current body of international law is poorly developed to resolve this dispute equitably; if we were to follow historic and legal precedents, younger countries like the Philippines and Malaysia would be disadvantaged and China will probably win the case. It is, actually, in the interests of the Philippines, Malaysia and Vietnam to avoid cooperating and submitting the case for arbitration before a truly unbiased tribunal (if one actually exists). The Chinese will also never recognise the Taiwanese claim as a separate or distinct one in court either.
@@Blixey-r9z
I might have missed the post but where is the question asking for your nationality?
@@MelvinStaRita-yb2fm i didn’t declare my nationality. There is no such post.
He obviously escalates as and when usa instructs him to do so .
The 'professor' thinks the arbitration is legit? Professor of what, Home Economics? So, not an international expert then. 😅😅😅
Stop parroting Chinese propaganda and lies!
Philippines claiming a disputed island with a rusty ship is hardly any international order.
All must follow UNCLOS 2016 ruling, stop CCP criminal piracy, this is not disputed territory.
😂😂😂 better than china claiming everything with 9 dash line that clearly violates international law and on country approved china claim
@arcailecorp It is Philippines, influenced by the US, who violated other countries territory and undermined regional stability and peace.
Use your common sense china
@@shundi4264
Now you're making your own narrative. With or without the US the philipine claim will not stop.
Taiwan must say that Philippines sent ships entering Taiwan’s territorial waters, China helps Taiwan protecting Taiwan’s sea territory.
Now you admit that the nine dash line is a fake imaginary line made in 1949 by taiwan 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@
The lines printed in the official maps registered in UN file are really boundary lines. Now China protects those lines for Taiwan against Philippines.
China is doing Taiwan a favour of claiming the territorial water in the South China Seas. The Marcos Jr administration is a puppet of the US to create wars in the South China Seas.
Those ships are destroying reefs with giant clam poaching.
US bases is more than escalation.
We can't be fooled with China now, with or without US, it's the same: China escalates. Look what they did in Tibet, now they touch Bhutan.
Stay focus on the arguments.
China already put up military garrison in the middle of south east asian sea before US philippines alliances.
In 1971, Thitu island was seized by the Philippines from the Republic of China. China will want it back some day.
The current land of China was belonging to Japan, Japan will take there back
How can you claim it belongs to japan 1945 ahaha
@ China belonged to Japan before 1945
Japan renounced it’s claims to the Spratlys and Paracels in the San Francisco Peace Treaty. They were never part of the ROC or CCP before WW2. They were therefore not “returned” to China or Taiwan in any Treaty. Taiwan is there illegally.
@ that’s the story your Chinese changed
As an outside observer, the US should not be involved in the South China Seas. It should be resolved between China and the other Asean countries, claimants to the sealanes in the South China Seas.
It's better for US to intervene in this issue since china don't listen and ignored it's ASEAN neighbors.
China seems like they want War.
The philippine occupation of that island merely since year 1700 not only on 1900, dont try to fool as!