Tin Hifi P1 Super Review - BETTER Louder
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- The Tin Hifi P1 is the company's first earphone that costs north of $100. And it's also their first planar magnetic driver, which frankly isn't very common in IEMs. But does the P1 do for the sub-$200 market what the Tin T2 did for the sub-$50 market? Let's unbox it and find out.
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Love that expanding ball thing. It pretty much explains exactly what's happening. Weaker amps means less dynamic range especially with more volume. The reason is, at some point the quietest nuances get pushed in volume more than the bigger nuances (which are the harder/louder/ more powerful parts, like bass), meaning the difference of volume between the loudest part and the quietest part gets narrower, and thus, you get congestion of the sound, which kills the "space" between the sounds, even before hitting the sealing/max-throughoutput of the amp, at which point we get clipping/distortion. Most modern devices like phones will not reach clipping/distortion, but the dynamic range will be massively lower the harder-to-drive your head/earphones are, even if the volume is enough.
It is basically as it's said - more/better amplification = frequencies scale equally = higher dynamic range = bigger/better/more-spacious sound. These things can be calculated based on the amp and the head/earphones specifications I guess, but I'm really bad at math/formulas, so... yeah.
Awesome review!
Thank you for that explanation! Pinned ✌️
No, if you don't listen so loud that your phones amp clips/distorts, then a volume matched a/b test with an amp will not be distinguishable. The P1 only needs 1mw for 96db which any phone can easily outout since the P1 is also only 20ohms. And ofc louder sounds better, you can do the same by raising your phone volume until it starts to clip/distort once you get near max volume. Softer things sound louder but also louder things sound even louder which is not good for your ears.
@@ron9511 weak amps only push voltage and not current. Many phones have a built in current limiter to stop the built in amp from drawing too much power which drains the battery. Strong amps push loads of current. Current doesn't increase the the volume as much as it increases the impact and punchiness of the sound. The down side is that they require much more power. I think the formula would be
P=i^2r
power=current x current x resistance.
@@nitromenoob V=IR, ohms law is basic highschool science. Audiophiles seem not to understand. In short they are all related, boost voltage you increase current and also power since P=VI. Amplifiers boost voltage to increase current.
Btw that punchinesd and impact is nonsense. You either have enough power so that sound doesn't clip (which might reduce perceived punchiness) or you don't. 99% of headphones can be driven by phones to above average volumes without clipping.
@@ron9511 no u
U were spot on w your review of the P1, basically everything i experienced, terrific job, because u did not bail out, u opted to try to get the most out of the P1 in many ways! Full disclosure: KZ fan, amongst many other IEMS, tried a few amps, sources, dabbled in hi rez...but nothing wowed me...rather than churning thru the hobby, adding to my collection of gear....i wanted an END GAME RIG....max out my budget, save $$$ flipping nearly ALL my gear. MANY hours researching, reviews read, videos watched, specs read...I selected the FiiO M11, tethered it to an Oreolus BA300s tube amp, and Tin Audio/HI FI P1 planars....really took a leap of faith, gear historically would not be safe choices, maybe models a bit leading edge, pricey for me, yet all this gear did not disappoint. The P1s lovvve volume...they literally go into turbo mode! The sound of planars is nothing like u ever heard, because they engineered it right! The sound draws u in, makes u feel uneasy with its pinpoint accuracy in micro details...nothing u ever experienced....u end up playing familiar music, not only hearing vocals previously muted, but instruments accurately reproduced. Not a wide sounstage, but an IEM unlike everything else I owned. Close to end game rig and Audio Nirvana, as i will ever own that compliments each device well....def keeper rig....BGVP electrostatics i would love to listen to....but cannot afford. Fun hobby..
I agree. P1 one is reproducing the most natural sound. I don't even bother with soundstage as with P1 I feel I am there with the musicians. It's totally different to other IEMS I've tried.
Awesome post. Maybe I should buy & try a pair ... 🤔
P1 has the most natural and realistic sound t me. And bass is perfect with good foam tips. Similar to my audeze LCD2 closed back. A lot of reference headphones anyway don't have as loud bass as IEMs do.. P1 is spot on to my ears. Tin hifi thank you!!
Bad Guy Good Audio said roughly the same thing about these earphones as well! He had a hard time explaining how it sounded like as it was hard to compare with, but you did a great job, TQ!
Jon_in_ space I found the P1 planar sound hard to explain or describe. I found the micro details unnerving at first, removing the veil on familiar music, , was almost to accurate sounding until i got used to them. Break in had marginal difference. BGGR reviews on P1, Fiio M11, and pairing them both w the tube amp Oriolus BA300s...suffice it to say, this rig and pairing....upscaling ALL music to DSD, or FLAC hi rez files, remastered recordings, adding gain for P1s....is finally my end game rig. Allows me to experience multiple genres of music w equal outstanding sound. Sure there is better IEMs out there, but for $150 the planar P1 is stellar!
Best visual sound analogy ever ☑️
That’s exactly how I’ve wanted to explain how my HD-6XXs “open up” with more power, but I’ve failed every time!
Just gotta carry a Hoberman sphere around with you everywhere you might end up talking about audio 😅
Yup..was disappointed drastically with them till I put enough quality power and source through..then I was very happy
@@SuperReview listen to rock, metal. I like punchy bass, wide sound stage. Tin p1 or ikko oh10 ?
Personally my set came with the edges meeting perfectly; that said, this earphone's sound outweighs the "meh" cable and everything else to me. Also, the fact that it responds phenomenally well to EQ means that you can adjust the sound more to your liking without ruining the tonality of it.
I caught a bit of sibilance in the 6-8k range but a quick jump into Equalizer APO fixed that for me, and I've been unable to use anything else ever since.
Good review though.
Almost zero sibilance for me, just perfect.
@@SuperReview Same, but almost isn't good enough for me. Just a -5db 3.9q filter @ 6850 and -2.5db 6q filter @5500 got rid of it completely (was mostly female or high voiced 's' sounds) and made the IEMs so much more enjoyable for me.
Plus I boosted the bass generously because I do love some planar bass :3
@@SuperReview Hmm... 🤔 👍
@@chrisb9726 That good to hear on the EQ department. That lack of sub-bass is no problem.
The cable isn't that bad tho. I feel the t3 had anazing cables tho, these copper ones should technically be better sounding
I listen heavy metal most of the time what sound signature IEMs should be best within 150 dollars with best clarity and seperation
Hard for me to give recommendations for entire genres, there's a lot of variability.
@@SuperReview brother whats your view about Rha t20i its also nearly 200 dollar iems can you do a video if possibe
So far this is my favourite RUclips review of the P1. I like how you took your time and explained the process. Great review. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Ben. If I do a bad one, let me know.
Tin HiFi is a cool company. Great value for money. Cool designs, which is huge coming from me, who prefers the SE215 body over everything else. But one of my favorite things: no obnoxious branding all over the body. I've just ordered some T4s, I really hope they live up to my expectation. And I am expecting an "eargasm", as some call it. My SE215s served me well, but i feel they need an upgrade, and the lack of earwax filter keeps me from going back to Shure. I wish there could be the driver and earwax filter of the T4s in a steel version of the body of SE215s. That would probably be the ultimate IEM, at least for me. Or maybe I could make my own.....? I have some very basic metalworking experience, and I'm pretty decent at soldering, and I have some ammateur CAD skills. I really really want that thing. Also MMCX is the only good connector for IEMs, since it is the standard. Also, for my player, I use a Sony Walkman. But a 1996 WM-EX670 compact cassette player Walkman. That stuff sounds AMAZING!!! That thing does need new pinch rollers though. Wait, am I writing another novel in the RUclips coment section? Ok fine I'll shut up now.
Have you checked out the Shozy CP? Shure-style bud shape, and an earwax filter.
@@SuperReview Sorry for the old reply, I wanted to make a joke but I don't think it came across as such :)
Would you reccomend the CPs over T4s?
For my set of preferences, yes -- I prefer the CPs. They're still one of my favorite sets.
My experience with them is they don't really focus on any one point highs, mids or lows, however they give you the ability to focus in on any one point in the music simply by listening for it and hear it clearly without the other instruments of voices covering it as if shining a spotlight on it and it having space to focus on, like in a photoshop file using layers, on even some scarily tricky Tracks like Blue Oyster Cult's Joan Crawford, Pink Floyds Dogs you can actually hear the transistion of the dog samples to the symphonized harmonics. They give a clarity too to quiet things such as The Police's Would you be My Girl. The bass isn't thumping but it presented, highs don't jump out, they require more volume even with a dap, but with high gain on they allow a level of dissection I would not ever imagine for something new in box at this price point. Tin HiFi really have pushed the envelope for planar technology with these and making a well built, good looking, good sounding compact iem using the technology that given products just last year I would never have imagined would be available to the world this soon.
That what you experienced with "more Juice" is very close to what happens with balanced outputs, usually 2,5 mm Jack, but also those 4,4mm plugs become more common recently....You can see in the "Specifications" of modern DAPs that their "balanced" headphone-output give more Power to the Phones, sometimes even twice the Power of "unbalanced" Output. On top of it, the Noise-Level can be lower, which is not always possible to hear, but it actually improves Dynamics and Details little bit, ESP in your favorit "Airy" Range.
Underrated Channel🤷♂️
I got my P1s based on the hype and I still can't make up my mind how I feel about them. Some days I think they're the best things I've ever heard. Other days they're just weird. I agree with almost everything you said, I just find the upper treble (10K+) really hit and miss. Some music I listen to I think "THIS is what it was supposed to sound like" as if other headphones have been hiding details in the upper treble from me. Then with some other music I feel like I'm listening to the music through some weird low pass filter and the sizzle of the upper treble is a bit overwhelming and drowns out the mids. Maybe it's down to the music and the mixing.
I've found I especially like them with acoustic, guitars, and drums.
Most definitely it comes down to the quality of the recording, mixing and mastering. Furthermore the bitrate and resolution of the sound file and conversion of it. Then lastly how the dynamics and frequencies are kept to their full potential through amplification and various things like clocking, jitter, cables, IEM tips etc.
I wish i would have watched this video before getting into the hype. I bought them and since i have a budget set up. So the p1 never got any good level of volume. Had to return them. It sucks but maybe in the future when the p2s come out ill be ready for them. Thanks for this video!
T2 is a nice unit but I struggle getting it to fit no matter how many tips and even other brand tips. I an sure these sound even better but cannot see 150 for bud that neve r fit me right. I have Basn, Fii0, and many other IEM but these just fail to set in my ear. Great sound but not for me.
The sound signature of these is amazing.bass, mids and super extended non sibilant highs makes this perfect
Good snippet review commentator... 👍
But i feel for bass lovers TFZ No. 3(for bass heads) or Moondrop Kanas Pro(for normal folk) is better.
@@cyano3d The new Moondrop KXXS has more bass and details than pro
Been using the P1s for a while and the bass is quite lacking in my opinion. Switching on the bass boost on my FiiO Q5 is almost a requirement for many genres.
@@DenisDamulira23 for bso, ledm, listing edm... Which do you choose.
Ikko oh10, kxxs, tin t3 or Tin hifi p1
Would really appreciate your opinion on what IEMS to get for a singer (stage performer)?
Instrument separation, forward mids (for male vocals) and technically capability is welcome! Thanks a lot !
Depends on your budget, but at ~$100 I think Legacy 2 is a great option: ruclips.net/video/vT1NaIt2a5Q/видео.html
Man, love your reviews!!! Do you have one for the blon bl-03?
I haven't reviewed BL-03, no. But I do have a pair, and I think it's quite good -- IMO, under $50 get either Blon or Tin T2.
@@SuperReview Does it compare to the Tin T3 too? I'm stuck in these.
Believe me, these are better than most IEM in general. not only limited to Chifi. I've bought a second pairs in November, after I've sold most of my other (expensives) IEMS. I've just kept my Chifi IEMS. And these are also my favorite headphones pair of all my other headphones (Mr Speaker Aeon, Hifiman HE 580, Denon D7000, Sennheiser HD800...and I've had many other headphones, none gave me as much fun as those P1). Tonality is spot on, soundstage is absolutly incredible, and that speed makes the music so live...I don't know how they managed to do that, but now my only fear is that they stop selling them. That's why I bought another pair. But they have few downsides : they need a lot of juice to work correctly. I've had to change my previous dap (A&K AK100II) and after many tests, I can says that they need at least 180mW @32Ohms, which does limit the number of compatible DAP (I'm using a Shanling M3s on the balanced output). Then, isolation isn't great, due to the form of the IEMs. Forget about them in public transport if isolation is one of your main concern. And they also need to be listened at a certain volume level to render that magical sound. At lower volume, they will be flat and pretty boring. But as they are never fatiguing, higher volume isn't really an issue.
I still don't get why people want so much packaging. It's all going in landfill the minute I've opened it. Such a waste. Leather case? Why.
leather case is a carrying case, that's not a waste I use my case all the time even with other iems. I agree with the rest tho
Nice one dude! Could you please review the Kz T1 Thanks!
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try it out.
What do you think are best IEMs to use with portable amps like hip-dac? For me it seems it is good match for P1 and ordered p1 due this reason. I tried FH5 and these were too sensitive/loud with that amp and with Apple dongle, bass having less life than Apple Earpods (sitting properly).
Stem or nozzle?
I think, like with Stax, you pay for the soundquality and not the build.
For soundquality I would use an amp for IEM planar or with multiple drivers.
Nozzle is an awkward word to say in front of people.
Anybody who's looking a good DAC/AMP for this can try TOPPING NX4. Dont be like me and bought Fiio q1 mark2, it still does not have enough power for this beast 😂.
Fernanda Gunsan The nx4 also over all sounds better in my opinion.
I have an nx4 and ordered the p1s but wasn't sure if it'll power it. did you test this out yourself?
@@moefa7423 yes I tested it myself. It drives it well. For slow, jazz, chill, slow song I turned the bass switch on, with Lo gain. The volume is at 3 oclock. But with rock, wide overdriven distorted guitars, I will turn both bass and hi gain, and turned the volume knob to 1 oclock
@@antonzinn2293 it does sound better! It is fun. I don't knkw exactly how different it is, but as long it can drive it louder, it is better 😂
@@fernandagunsanchannel thank you
good review 👍
1st I listened to them on the Fiio M11 ... there was something missing... connected the little bear tube amp with the Fiio and boom. sound was warmer but there was still sub bass missing... then 3 days ago I thought "give the Sony NW - Z 300 a try" I havn't used since my Fiio arrived... balanced 4,5mm and suddenly I had a fantastic sound after a little bit eqing... I can listen now to Reggae and have good bass...switching now between the P1 & Sony XBA - Z5 (balanced) ❤️
How you liking the M11? This will sound silly, but I really want a DAP with a knob / dial.
I paired the M11 w the Oreolus BA300s tube amp...which i believe was designed to pair w Sony DAPS...BA300s uses 4.4mm balanced input/outputs only, so used the balanced 4.4mm output on the M11, swapped out the P1 cable for a better 4.4mm pin copper OFC cable ....i depending on the streaming provider, or music file s from low rez to hi rez...i listen to the volume set on 45-55, 35 if i am not doing critical listening....these changes make a big difference, very detailed sound. Imo...i have jumped OFF hype train....the spin doctor hype reviewers of the latest gear is better...than the great gear they reviewed a month earlier...saving my $$$....M11, BA300s, use of 4.4mm balanced outputs/upgrade cables w the P1 has become my end game system...not real portable...but since I have and ipod , iphone, or cheaper DAP since i AM ...rough on my gear, landscaper, capenter, painter...nor would i chance taking this $1,000 setup outside...i am very pleased w this gear....interested in the Shuoer Tape electrostic IEM, WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE REVIEWS ON THAT IEM...HINT HINT WINK WINK 🤔🤔😎😎
My only complaint about this iem, is the fit. A little on the loose side hence isolation not as good as others. I am using spin fit for this iem. Require some burn in.
I think Spinfits would be good for this, they tend to extend the length of the stem.
i think these are really good. mine came with the silicone tips preinstalled but all the unboxings ive seen have the foams on them. (i hope that doesnt mean anything and they are all the same tuning). they also layed loose in the box when i opened it like yours. (not a big deal but still).
i think they sound really good especialy through my dragonfly cobalt. the cobalt gives them some nice space and airyness. i like them with the foam tips and comply t400 isolation. the complys give the best seal for more subbass and gets rid of ALL the sibilance while the included foamies sound a little bit brighter and more detailed. the silicone tips are too sibilant for me alltogether. i have no issues with comfort as i hardly feel them especialy with the complys. the tin p1 and the etymotic er4xr are now my favorite iems.
I have the Hidisz s9 pro - would that be enough power for the P1? (I know it has more juice than the EarStudio ES100 - also it could run a balanced cable - 100mW and smth like 200 for balanced)
Does anyone know?
I see a couple of used P1 for 100 €.. I think I'd like to buy one. I don't know.
Hi may I ask if the Tin P1 is heavy? I own a kz zs10 pro and I think they are kind of heavy. Is it worth it as a upgrade coming from having KZ ZSR, ZS10 Pro and TRN V30? Would appreciate ur reply.. Thanks!
They're not very heavy, no. I don't have exact weights, but I also don't think ZS10 Pro is especially heavy compared to other IEMs. Not sure how P1 matches up, TBH I never thought about the weight of either.
As for upgrade, it really depends on what you want from the sound. I like P1 bette than the others you named, but audio isn't really a linear thing.
I had problems with cable...the sound suddenly becomes weaker on one channel so I must unplug AND plug again AND the stereo comes again.
While I'm not a basshead by any means, I still consider bass performance to be very important, probably for different reasons than bassheads. I don't want thumping beats rattling my skull, I'll try to explain what I'm after:
In many pop songs that have very cleanly produced (some might say generic sounding) instrumentals, the bass guitar is extremely subtle and simply gets lost in the mix unless I'm listening with decent equipment. What I love is when I'm able to clearly make out the melody the bass guitarist is playing on tracks where the bass is supposed to melt into the background. This is often my favorite part of the production and I can't stand when it's hard to hear.
How do these perform in this aspect?
I quite like the bass on the P1. Do you have a song in mind I could test?
Super* Review First here's an example where it's very easy to hear the bass guitar:
TV-2 - Sommer I Danmark
Listen to how prominent the bass guitar is in the chorus. This is what I like to hear. It's also easy to hear in the verses.
Now a pop production where the bass guitar is much less important and not as audible, but I still enjoy that I'm able to hear it with my TRN V90:
Britney Spears - I Will Be There
And finally, here's a modern pop track where the bass actually plays the hook, and thus it's important that the bass guitar is prominent and has texture:
Taylor Swift - Lover
On this one I feel like I don't get quite enough detail in the bass, but it could also be the fault of mixing and mastering. What do you think?
Interesting. I'll just start by saying I'm not familiar with these tracks, and my only way to listen to them is w/ Google Play Music subscription. The bass guitar doesn't seem very prominent in any of them, with the Tin P1s or even with a bassier set I tried, Moondrop Starfield. A track with bass guitar that sounds great on P1 is Queen's "Cool Cat," but it's a very simple mix so not surprising the bass guitar comes through well.
@@SuperReview The bass on Cool Cat is very deep, prominent and just awesome sounding on my TRN V90, far more so than any of the songs I mentioned. But I was wondering how well subtle background bass guitar comes through, I guess it's really hard to tell such relatives things heh :P
Man UR reviews are SPOT ON for me. I have the P1, DM6 and several other that u've reviewed. Gotta tell U, these P1 are my standard for how music should sound like 2. Keep up the honest and detailed gr8 reviews man!
What are your other faves?
@@SuperReview currently I also have the dunu 3001 and dm6. For portable I love the Jabra 85h . Which would be great to know what you think of in comparison to other to top ANCs and in general sound wise..for all the rest they absolutly amazing. and B&W P7W which I think still tops Sony's and Bose's latest. From prev owned gear I loved the B&O H6 gen1, Oppo pm3 and Shure se535ltd. But its all from memory and was relevant to the period I owned them. Not sure which of those I would like so much today. Maybe will buy the H6 again 1 day 😃 might sound amazing the Q5s..
@@ninjafrog8419 hiiii....
Please make a brief comparison between shure 535 and tin p1
i like neautral and natural sound and good soundstage
thank u
From nowadays do you still reccommend Meizu live since P1 came out? which one do you prefer in terms of 3D Sound stage, detail, instruments seperation, vocal? Thanks
Yeah, I still really like the Meizus. I think P1 has better tonality, an overall more natural and organic sound. But the Meizus have an addicting clinical sound to them with stronger bass. P1 I think wins in instrument separation and layering.
@@SuperReview really helpful. Thank you so much.
Cleaner than my church shoes, ah!
Better than tin t3?
I think they sound better, yeah, more natural tonality, more organic timbre.
eventually went with the Moondrop KXXS over these and they are exceptionally good (after you get the right tip and burn them in a couple days). Very detailed mids, crisp well weighted drums which you can feel being smacked, great sub bass which sounds very accurate and layered. Pianos you pick up many more notes being played as each finger hit the keys. I've over 100 earphones from budget to £200+ and the KXXS are the best sounding easily.
Nice! They look pretty handsome.
How about powering the p1s with a good old fiio x1? Also, is there an opportunity to in simply increase the base intensity?
If by bass you mean rumbling sub-bass, you can cover the one port hole which boosts it slightly (measurements will show an increase but you can barely hearthe difference). Even with EQ they don't really respond strongly to anything below (rough guess) 60Hz, so EDM, DnB and Hip Hop won't be very energetic on these ever. You'd want to buy them for the detail and musicality (which is excellent, unless you like dark sounding earphones). At least that's what I've found after a month with them.
@@Aphova thanks for the answer ;) i switched to buying Moondrop KXXS noe, after the P1 Drop totally went out of control...
Super*, thank you for another well-done review. It looks like I'm not the only one who enjoyed the expanding ball explanation.
One suggestion/comment: You might not be down for this or maybe you have done this in the past but have you considered giving .5 star ratings? I think 4 stars, given the build quality/fit issues you pointed out is fair but because you raved about the sound, I wonder if 4.5 stars may have been more appropriate.
And my dilemma, question for Super* and others: P1 versus Ikko OH10, which one? I know they're good in different ways. It seems the P1 is the king of tone (timbre?) and OH10 have strong soundstage. Is that the right take? Anything else that would help me decide?
I try not to over-think the scores TBH, sometimes I don't even know what score I'm gonna give until I'm in the middle of saying it. For sound alone, I'd buy these again. I already have a nicer cable on the way 👌
As for P1 vs. OH10, I think OH10 stands out more for its bass and smooth tonality rather than soundstage. OH10 is like a gravity blanket. P1 is a wool sweater.
@@SuperReview Which cable did you buy for these?
Do the #AudiosenseT800 next. Then... the #TipsyDunmer. 👍
T800 Please
Agreed on the issue getting a good seal with these. The stock tips didn't quite do it for me, nor even SpinFits that work perfectly with all my other IEMs. I ended up with a solid seal and much richer sound using large Comply Comfort Plus tips. The bass livened up quite a bit...for me a very satisfying sound with awesome detail retrieval. Still, I find the IMR Acoustics R1 Zenith more satisfying, thanks to the customizations (tuning filters and open/closed back option). To my ears, using the copper filter with open back, they have a massive, enveloping sound that's a bit more "there." You may enjoy the pink or blue filters better, tho. Right now, the P1 and R1 Zenith are my faves; one's my daily driver at home, the other at work. Thanks for the review.
Yeah I would guess that Spin Fits work well 'cause they're longer than usual, interesting to hear. In the video I mentioned the stems/nozzles, but really I wonder if the best fix would be changing the angle of the MMCX connector.
Hi. I am planning to buy this as an upgrade to my Tin T2. I am currently using iBasso DC01 as my portable USB DAC solution however it's rated 113mW@32Ω which is not enough for the P1. Do you think using an amp in conjunction with the balanced out of the iBasso DC01 would do justice to the P1?
Also have you tried the Magaosi K5? If yes, thoughts in comparison to DM6?
I don't think the P1 requires THAT much juice, just more than average -- it sounds great on my $35 Zishan Z2.
@@SuperReview I've talked to other people with high end gear. A guy I know said that his Hiby R6 with 350mW@32Ω isn't sufficient enough and that iFi nano BL is great for it but I think that's just overkill.
But I'll take your opinion over his anyday!
I can't do math, I just know it sounds good on my Cowon in high impedance mode.
hiii...i bought p1
and order the dc01+ penon gs819(balance cable)
my source is note 9
what do you think about quality sound ?
Tin Hifi P1 + E1DA 9038S Gen 2 = 🔥👌 Try that combo.
E1DA 9038S Gen 2 can increase or decrease volumn ?
Also what do you think about the Phiaton MS 300 ba earphones if you have any experience with those? Tyia
Nope, never heard of them.
@@SuperReview no prob thank you
Mine sounded stiff to begin with. They now sound expanded and really enjoyable for $150. Very happy!
Thanks for taking the time to really get into the sound & explain your findings. Ps I prefer you without a hat ! :)
I almost never wear a hat but it was a good way to get in some Super* branding. Now I got shirts :D
I have loads of Iems, T2, CA Io, CCZ, Fiio Fh5, KZ KS2, Zex...etc etc
I just don't get the P1 hype, they sound average to me...ok but nothing special.
I know they're planar and hard to drive, but even with a Shanling M6 21, they're still not loud enough for me. How much more power do they need ?
For me, Zex blow them out the water
whats a zex?
@@Lacosagt
KZ Z.E.X Pro iem
£38 on Amazon
Pretty good for the price.
Not quite ZS10PRO quality but ok.
Hi Mark...there is a sail these days on Ali express would you rec. something around $160 ... so far...Iam thinking P1 or original Hana...✌️ ❤️
Hana would be my pick.
Then Hana it will be...
bro i need ur help. what is the minimal spec to drive this iem? are zishan z1/fiio a1/fiio k1 is enough? my iem seller in my country said at least i need amp like fii q1 mk2 to drive this iem. im confused. pls help thx :)
I love listening to P1 on my Zishan Z2.
Your Merch is very Leeds United
Soccer or somethin'?
@@SuperReview yes newly promoted to the English Premier League. They have fanatical support and I'm sure they would love the colours..
I feel pain whenever I use iems with silicon tips what do I do? To stop it
What is the cause of the pain?
I Doubt my tempotec v1a wont drive it well,but i f"d up too because tempotec v1a doesnt have any LO💀
Nice physical metaphor with that orb-thingamajig! 👌 👍
Nice review 😁 Btw what are the chances of you doing a top 5 iems sort of video for different price categories to help viewers make purchasing decisions?
Something I'd like to do, trying to knock out some reviews before I go on vacation.
I bought the RevoNext RX8 off Amazon that look exactly like those same Earphones. Mine have a high dynamic driver and one balanced armature driver that has the HiFi audio label. Frequency 7-40KHz ,Impedence 25, and Sensitivity 105 db. I bought them for 25$ on Amazon and they have the braided cable with the gold coloring ..and they also detach at the ear pieces with both earpieces attached to the cable . They also came with 3 additional ear tips. And almost a 5 Star rating. They r great . So why should I ever consider paying a rediculous amount more for something that looks the same with the same specks. Plus I have BoseQC35 ii and Sony MDR-950b1 that I sold my Beats Studio 2 Wireless for because they sound a shit load better with Bass that is so amazing it is unreal. It rattles your whole body but does not hurt your ears at all
Which sou da better and which one has better soundstage HiFi tin p1 vs shozy x Neo cp?
Mmm, maybe the CP by a bit, but it's not a big difference IMO.
I love big soundstage and scene.
I listen too classical and edm music... Do you think that IEM is better than KZ AS16?
Thanks
I haven't heard AS16... but I'd guess yes.
@@SuperReview I want to doing an upgrade to my tin t3.
I want a big soundstage and I'm thinking in that TinHifi P1.
Mm, get Koss KSC75 if you want soundstage.
can you list the dap that you use for reference on future reviews
Please make a review on KZ ZSX TERMINATOR. Is it better than KZ ZS10 PRO?
No that is definitely not placebo. Any of my iems thru my Samsungs10 plus as opposed to my ifi micro through Samsung s10 and mqa files or even just 24bit.. world of difference. Obviously everyday Joe's aren't gonna bother with a big portable amp,tidal premium subscription, which is only sometimes impressive and sometimes I'm questioning what the source was for an mqa..also through a bear4 tube amp ..opens up every iem to their real qualities. Too many folks listen from phone to iems w mp3 level..never gonna be worth buying iems in my humble opinion. Your right about there isn't a need to spend hundreds,thousands on iems..but the rest of it is necessary for their true potential. Glad you didn't stop at your first listening device. Also tips.tips tips..if they dont fit perfect..alters sound drastically. Nice final call though..and good that you said requires power..you cant have too much clean power,but not enough is a stereo,speaker,headphone killer.
I started this hifi game just looking for compact + convenient, now I want bulky and powerful with knobs. I'm on the hunt for a new DAP.
you ever done an ABX test comparing lossy and lossless formats?
@@bootie I've done this a few times, I can usually separate the 128 Kbps MP3 from the other files, but can't really tell apart the higher-bitrate MP3s from the WAVs. www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality
Rodney M I agree...smartphone only users do not need audiophile grade IEMS, better eartips, better quality a d/or balanced cables...I used my iphone or ipad as my source...tried diff amps, DACs w my CHIFI IEMs (< $60)....saved some cash up...opted for Fiio M11 DAP w dual opamps, dual DACs, balanced outputs, paired w Oriolus BA300s tube amp...end game rig! Smartphone and tablet only users can add some economical CHIFI amps and DACs....and dramatically improve the sound. Lol...but then u r hooked to the upgrade train....decent hi rez DAP is all most people need to listen to better quality music.
quite the hand wave at 3:33 !
hola ,es primera vez que veo este video y me da sensación de que podrían gustarme mas que mi Audiosense AQ 0...Como sabes estoy buscando un cambio y me gustaría si me podrías decir como suenan comparando con buen equipo de música de salon
No se como contestar eso.
@@SuperReview bueno, si usas un buen equipo de salón sabes más o menos de lo que estoy hablando, no soy bashead o melomano de música classica, pero el jazz, rock progresivo, fusión de estilos, instrumental, vocales, solo quería saber si se acercan a sonido original de las grabaciones. Este modelo no está en la venta, hay uno "pro". Gracias por interés
Would a portable fiio e17 drive these to their potential
Hello
What are the main differences between the TinHifi P1 and the ikko oh10?
I'm looking for headphones for movies, that is to say that they have a wide soundstage and that improve other IEMs that I've had like the Tin T3.
Greetings.
Great video, love mine and currently using a violectric v200 to power them, they sound like butter i prefer them over my dt1990 pro's which kinda bothers me ;)
Ha ha, if you want to be really bothered, spend $15 on a pair of Koss KSC75s.
I'm on the same boat. They are both beast at detail retrieval, the P1s have less base energy than the DT1990 which make them less fatiguing and push the micro-details forward. The DT1990 are overall technically better, yet I'm more inclined toward the P1s audio flavor.
@@Kartoffel-Gehirn glad I am not the only one, however I am so happy to have both they sound so much alike for all the right reasons but yet so different at the same time. 1990 for gaming and movies, p1 for chilling with music esp vocals
@@SuperReview😀 Thanks will have to check them out.
On my P1's the edges line up perfectly and flush. Interesting...
Jelly.
Hey man, I think you should try out the Edifier P210, P230 and P235! They sound great for the price (less than $20!) and they're also an immense value earphones. Check them out, and maybe do a video comparing and reviewing those earphones?
just wanna know what would you recommend this p1 for an bluetooth amp? es100 or btr3? planning to get this month
I haven't tried the BTR3, but the ES100 does get the P1s plenty loud.
@@SuperReview review on btr5 4th batch already sold out again. even on aliexpress
@@SuperReview can you give a try shuoer tape and compare to this P1 sound sig wanted to get one this coming week help me decide.
I don't have Tape.
The btr5 sounds better than btr3 and is a bit more powerfull especialy on balanced.
Great review! Kudos!
Correct me if i'm wrong, these are not suited to be listened to at low to moderate volume, even if powered by an adequate amp, right?
They still sound good at moderate volume, but staging is a bit narrow -- IMO they really come into their own at loud volumes.
Is this worth it for my huawei mate 20 pro? With usb-c to 3.5mm dongle because it this phone doesnt have 3.5mm slot anymore sadly.. or should i go with t3's
Could work, but risky. Maybe try Shozy CP or Meizu Live.
Are you using zishan z2 to drive this iem?
Whats your recommendation for the best budget dac or dap to drive this iem?
I did use Z2 as one source, yes. Another option would be xDuoo X3ii.
How do you think, is there a point to buy the usual headphones, when wireless earbuds are becoming more and more popular, and it's more comfortable?
For me yes, I haven't heard a Bluetooth headphone or earphone that sounds as good as wired ones.
These vs FH3 , which one do you prefer for daily use?
FH3 is an easier recommendation, P1 still has a place though.
@@SuperReview looking for an upgrade from my tin t2
I sold mine because the bass is so weak. About 150% lower than Harman iem tuning.
I also had sibilance on hihats.
Edit: I mean Harman is 15db higher in sub bass than the P1 at the farthest end of the graph. 150% more? Idk how the math works out. Something like that. (10db difference = double volume)
FWIW, Harman is not my ideal tuning.
@@SuperReview Harman is just average listener choice. I like more bass, others like less. I think it is important as a reviewer to let people know when you're 15db off the average person's preference as very few people will also like it and they'll lose faith in your opinion if they try what you suggest.
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@@SuperReview I watched it again? I love your vids, you make great reviews, I'm just saying the P1 let me and a lot of people I know down and we don't understand the hype.
It's interesting that audio reviewers are going nuts about them. Just don't see it. Maybe it's because these are some of the more expensive IEMs you've had so you're just feeling the space and planar characteristics rather than the frequencies?
@@BaptizedTTV It's all tonality, stellar timbre, and a bit of an indescribable analog character for me. Can see everything I've reviewed I have -- I'm on vacation now, brought P1 with me.
Hello, I have purchased the P1, can you please explain the differences in sound between the three types of earpuds that comes with? Thank you in advance!
I did not experiment with the different tips.
It's planar, so it should sound great. You gave it 4 stars most probably coz: 1. the cable was a let down, 2. they're a guzzler [more power required to let 'em sing] , hence not really that portable per se. The most efficient way to power them otg should be stacked [a source + a capable mini-amp], a bit of a hassle if they're not used to that sort of thing. Thanks for the Great review...
FWIW, I think it sounds great on my Zishan Z2.
I understand it needs to be amp'd but can you use it on LG smartphones? Particularly LG V30.
Probably but I haven't tried.
hiii thank u for good review
but my enghlish lisining is not good
please answer me very short
i like neautral and soft sound,medium bass but exact,and good soundstage,imaging,good detail
in your opinion
Do you think it's worth 170 $?
You are gradually from 1-10 score
comfortable ?
cable?
soft sound?
midrange?
cleary?
trible?
bass?
soundstage?
imaging?
totaly?
thank u
🙏🙏🙏
Neutral? Yes, pretty neutral. Soft? Not sure how to answer that. Medium bass? Yes. Soundstage? It's average. Imaging? Better than average.
@@SuperReview thank u🙏🙏
very interesting review as always ! Do you think is better the tin T4 for 66 dollars or the P1 for 130 dollars ?? Thanks
I prefer it to T4, yes. Some others to consider: Magaosi K5, Fiio FH3, Tanchjim Hana
@@SuperReview thanks a lot 👌
Does the P1 outshine the OH10?
Very different sound signatures, depends on what you want. Bass focus? OH10. Midrange + upper treble focus? P1.
Interesting your comment on Hi-hat. The first thing I noticed was the texture of the hi-hat. Lovely. Needed a Dragonfly to make them perform.
Great review - love your descriptions of the sound signature so much that I've subscribed. Two questions:
(a) do you think these headphones would be a good match for audiophile recordings of classical music, jazz, and general acoustic music?
(b) Would a Chord Mojo have the kind of power required to expand the soundstage in the way you describe? If not, then for portable use what can?
I think this is a generally good sound for any kind of music, I don't really think of audio in terms of genres -- within a given genre, you'll have all different kinds of recordings, even a given band can have records mastered differently than others. RE: The Mojo, I haven't used it so I can't really say -- but I'd be really surprised if it has trouble with the P1, should be good.
Nice review tho I feel in some categories your review you should probably shorten, I skipped ahead a full min and you were still talking about the cable
Good feedback, thanks.
Hi there, this one of my favourite reviews You've done👍. One question. Is it a good idea to buy p1 for listening music only from lg v30? I like phonak audeo pfe 022 style maybe its some clue. Thx for advise😀
Not sure, I haven't used it on an LG phone.
@@SuperReview I ask also People on mp3store and they recommend strong dap for P1. Only then You see how good they are😣
what songs did you listen to with these... I hate when reviewers just describe the sound without even mentioning which songs you were checking them on with ?
I've got a playlist on my channel of a lot of tracks I use to test: ruclips.net/video/sV_-8KIXyPs/видео.html
I watched you give me recommendation 😁👌🏾 always great video
Can the es100 paired with the p1 with a balanced cable amp the p1 enough or should I upgrade my Bluetooth amp/dac? If so what would you recommend?
try btr5 newone
I have an amp and dac setup at my desk but do you think this would be decent portable with my iphone?
It won't get very loud on an iPhone, depends on how loud you listen.
I like the fact that you make up numbers and admit it. Hey, you may as well because, it may come as a surprise but, there are not many of us out in the world who happen to have an oscilloscope just to verify your guess-timates.
If I was going to be hyper-critical, I'm disappointed you compared these to the T2s when, in price terms anyway, the T3s are closer.
I learned about 15 years ago that it feels really good to be transparent about what I don't know :) I used T2 as a reference just 'cause I think more people have heard T2. T3 isn't too different, bit more treble emphasis versus T2 but more similar than different.
Please review YERSEN FEN 2000
to check if the amp improves the sound, why don't you grab a friend and do a blind test ? debunking myths and eliminating variables should improve your reviews productivity by not testing things that do not change sound other than from a the very real placebo effect
Man you gave a phenomenal review... for your amount of detail and ability to explain your self I immediately subscribed
Yeah ik u like Tin hifi products. Some other like BGVP. I like KZ & TRN :P
And some like apple, bose or beats xD sad to be them.
Do I have a t-shirt for you...
I’m the 1000th like !
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Do you like these more than something like the Blessing 2?
No, I'd pick B2 over these, but I do still enjoy P1.
@@SuperReview got it thank you! What source do you use for your iems? Is it necessary using anything special for these?
Primarily my Sony A105. The P1s do require more power than most IEMs, I forget how well they worked on the Walkman to be honest.
Why such a huge box for that small amount of stuff
Can zishan z1 can drive this?
I have Zishan Z2, it's great with P1. Haven't used Z1 but I assume so.
@@SuperReview thanks for the reply i order them zishan z2 and tin hifi p1
Do you plan to review anything from Campfire Audio? Particularly Solaris and Polaris? Would like to know your thoughts.
Not currently planning to, they're kinda expensive.
Do you ever do any adjusting with something like the Schiit Loki? Can take care of minor frequency response issues.
Adrian S I haven’t played with hardware EQ much, no. Software EQ only occasionally to experiment.
ok how much for that color ball?
Oh how could I forget a link to that? It's about $15.
@@SuperReview lol i was joking. Anyway bro try to get hands on Tanchjim Oxygen plz. ur opinion matters a lot thx.
@7:05 Finally a non dramatic wink.
Been waiting?
hi...thanks for rewiew
wich one is better( mee audio p1 or tin hifi p1)????
(best details,natural sound,good soundstage...)
do they fall on one level???
I haven't heard Mee Audio P1 for more than 5 minutes, so can't say.
I have both and after getting the tin p1 i cant listen to the mee p1 anymore. Tin sounds way more natural. The mee p1 has too much midbass and treble is more uneven. I use the same comply tips on both. With silicones both are too hot in the treble.
@@gullibleskeptic3237 thanks brother