Wow just found your channel and I’m addicted and fascinated. My great grandma, who was one of my best friends in this world, was one of the first 3 woman airplane mechanics in the United States. Still blown away by it! Anyways watching you tinker and fix things reminds me so much of her, I can’t believe she could work on planes like this. So so cool! I wish so badly I could watch these video with her. She would have been amazed by RUclips lol.
Hey Brandy Thank you for sharing the story about your Grandma. One of the first woman aviation mechanics ! So freaking cool !! I can tell you’re proud and that she left you with some really amazing memories. Thank you for watching 👍🏼
It's not the age of an airplane, it's the regular mechanical inspections done per the FAA requirements. A plane can fly for a long time if it is taken care of.
@@howdareyou41 Nah if the plane is maintained constantly then its more likely that bad parts and rust is spotted and treated. old planes that have been sitting for a long time need to be stripped bare and checked before it should be certified to be fly worthy imho.
I still fly my Grandfather’s old Comanche 265. Great bird! Very stable, and we are meticulous about maintenance. It’s going to need a new engine soon, so we’re thinking about how to get a tad bit more performance out of it. We just updated the avionics and it’s a good crops-county bird now. I use it all the time for work.
I had a 72 Cherokee for 5yrs and loved it. I flew it down into Baja many times and back to Oshkosh. It's a wonderful plan and the 20 more hp is perfect
As a young black kid going up in 1960's Montgomery, Alabama, which is only a few miles from Tuskegee, the Tuskegee Airmen have always been heroes of mine. Knowing of their story, aviation has always been a great interest of mine as well. I was about to start taking flying lessons two years ago when a childhood friend of mine crashed while doing a news story about an instructor giving lessons to underprivileged kids. Covid also put my plans on hold. I love the great work you're doing with planes and I hope you don't mind me living out my aviation passions vicariously through you. :-)
First six hours to solo in one of these. Owned a coupe 2 years and rebuilt it with my AP. You're on track with this one. Love stuff like this. Motor head here who has rebuilt all kinds of vehicles/situations. Rock on!
Mine is a 1962 Bellanca Cruisemaster that I am in the process of rebuilding. It has a tube and fabric fuselage with all wooden wings. The engine is a continental IO-470 that puts out 260 hp at 2700 RPM. It has retractable landing gear and caries 4 people. Have a great time rebuilding and flying your plane!
Jason, I fly a 1965 140 that I have done alot of work to. You are going to love the powerflow exhaust. I can definitely tell the difference when flying a stock 140 vs mine with the powerflow. Looking forward to more videos to see the progress!
The Surfly will a huge gain with your ported and polished cylinders and more hp than you think. All planes should have that up grade and it will help cool cylinders and advance your timing on top end a retard it when on ground and don’t advance timing and will make it start so easy and no more trouble when you try to start a hot engine, it will be one of your best up grade. Good luck !
Many years ago I worked as an A&P mechanic for a company that repaired helicopters that had landed with forward momentum :) Lots of airframe work as we rebuilt the landing struts.
I used to (part) own a 1962 Cherokee before my licence expired during lockdown last year. They are amazing aircraft, an absolute treat to fly. Those avionics you said were 'outdated', sure, but they still work. That's the beauty of these aircraft, they really were built to last.
Learned to fly in this model in 1969. A solid, great plane. Beautiful, and great purchase. The Piper series was the 140, 180, Arrow (retractable) and the 235 the most fun to fly). There was also a 6 seater, the Cherokee 6.
@@rebuildrescue I know how to contact the owner but it would mainly be a sentimental exercise for me. Likely the engine is out of time. It’s crossed my mind to see if I could ever buy it back but at this time it is unfeasible for me. I loved seeing your bird though! Make more videos!
Wow. My SAR operational risk management training is kicking into overdrive. That flight would have been a no go for me for many reasons. Any number of things could have happened. Glad you made it back alive.
Theatre. That engine has quite a few new looking components. An experienced CFI (old) would not take off in an aircraft which had simply stood for 10 years. It will have been thoroughly checked over and test flown.
I weekly fly my 1963 cessna 210 and feel safer in that than in my car. It's all about keeping up with annuals, maintenance, and keeping it in a hangar :)
Just been through this with my Piper Warrior 2. It's great your airplane was in a hanger for all those years. Mine was outside and I'm paying the price with an engine overhaul right now. Also, good storytelling with your videos.
Thank you Dave ! I love the Warriors and have been thinking about buying one. Much better glide ratio than the Cherokee with that nicely tapered wing… 👍🏼
I just love the idea of working on some kind of small air craft and getting it to fly. It's completely out of my price range and I know there's a lot a professional has to do, I still love the idea.
Kudo’s dude on the cleanup. I would have had the barf bag with me. Skiing is a terrific way to relax. Looks like you had some great powder. Heal quick and well. 👍
I have a 1961 Cherokee 160 and it’s an awesome airplane! It has a nice useful load and is very inexpensive to maintain. Good luck with your airplane. I look forward to seeing more videos about the restoration. 👍
love this aviation content. if you can possibly start pumping out 2-3 videos per week, it's easily going to help start paying off these repair bills AND make me a very happy viewer :)
congrats on your find. Looks like a sweet little airplane. hope the wing spar ad is all good. Here's to many years of happy flying. Cheers from Louisiana.
How did that work? If it had been sitting for 10 years, it probably didn't have a current annual, and maybe even missed some AD (such as the recent wing-spar inspection). So did you get a permit-to-fly for the single ferry flight? And, six hours? Does it hold that much fuel, or did you stop en-route? With an engine that makes more power (I seriously doubt the 180 hp figure, such a change would normally require a supplementary type certificate, and the changes would need to be approved by Lycoming and by the FAA) you would also need a new prop, otherwise you will overspeed it easily.
My first flying lessons were in a Cherokee 140 located at Statesboro Airport, Statesboro GA in 1968. Tough old birds, lots of folks learned to fly in them.
You should have landed immediately when you realized you had an engine problem. Trying to make your destination is a classic example of "Get Thereitis."
Most of the piston planes I see come through our shop tend to be in excess of 40 years old usually are anywhere from late 60s to early 80s. These small pipers are simple and forgiving, I think you have a good one!
Love the planes...please show the repair process and when flying show that also. Many who subscribe to aviation channels are pilots themselves but many are not and it is interesting seeing the whole process. One of my fav channels is Jimmys World...this is what he does. But his intent is to repair and flip. As far as the age...that is nothing...Some airlines that fly into remote areas use planes from the 40s. They want super simple and age gives you that...
i just commented on your Cessna 401 video and mentioned my Cherokee project. My 1965 Cherokee is very similar to yours. The only thing going for it was the reasonable paint job. The interior, 2400 hour engine as well as ancient avionics are being replaced or overhauled. I live in Massachusetts and flew it (after a quick annual) 1100 miles from St. Louis.
The Cherokee Pa28 is one of my favorites. Great flying machines ! This one should have 190-195hp after it’s built according to Lycon. We’ll be doing a build video on it soon and also dyno tuning the engine before installing it back on the 160. What model Cherokee do you have ?
@@rebuildrescue Mine is a PA-28-140. With the Powerflow exhaust and RAM 160 conversion, I hope to get a better climb out of it. Cruise won't change at the same power setting because I already have a 60 pitch prop. Really excited for this build!
@@c140flyer I also have a 67 140 with a ram 160 conversion and the power flow ! It has Art Mattson wing root vg’s and the prop tip mod with a 60 prop on it along with newer wing tips. I bought it with the mods done. It’s not as fast as I think it should be but we haven’t checked the rigging on it yet. Keep in touch and let me know how your build is going. Would love to connect with you when your Cherokee is done. 👍🏼
I flew my Cherokee Warrior from Laurel Maryland to Sao Paulo Brazil. It's such a trustworthy airplane & really stable... great in turbulence as long as you fly the numbers. Because of the handling and stability, it's a great single pilot IFR aircraft. Trims up easily and keeps trim.
Hey Sarah ! Thank you for sharing your experiences with your Warrior…. These pipers are really cool and simple airplanes. Hoping to get this one back up in the air soon ! Thank you for watching 👍🏼
@@rebuildrescue Absolutely! When she's ready, please learn her numbers very carefully... you'll find that she will go with you places no one else goes, i.e. I took N9871K into a roll-cloud of a western front and as the altimeter wound down (from 6500 ft) she stayed straight and level. I got out of the draft at 1000' AGL and landed at Brown County Ohio. I took off again into the front I saw all of the "weather engines" we study, i.e. virga, changes of color [blue to pink] indicating changes of pressure & moisture, clouds moving around because of electrical charges, updraft & nearby downdraft strings of rain that appeared & disappeared, etc.) and suddenly I was out of it… the front boundaries are that sharp. Please get your commercial/instrument training before you get that close to a front… N9871K was the love of my life!
Some pointers mechanics sometimes miss: 1) With the cylinders off, you should have your crankcase carefully and thoroughly inspected for evidence of main bearing shifting, cam lobe, tappet wear, etc. Sometimes mechanics remove the cylinders, have them rebuilt, only to mount them back onto a crankcase with problems. 2) Lubricate your cam lobes/lifter faces. LPS-3 would work well here. 2) You also need to pull the tappet guts (the socket and hydraulic units) out of the tappet bodies. A bent piece of .041" safety wire makes a good tool for this. Then, you'll need to pull the eight hydraulic units apart, rinse with solvent, and test for proper bleed-down rate. Keep hydraulic units as matched pairs. Reassemble hydraulic units empty with light WD40 spray (this is important to obtain proper clearance in the next step). 3) After the cylinders are properly torqued on, The correct valve rocker clearance is achieved by installing different length pushrods (there are 4 different lengths available). 4) With at least one spark plug removed from each cylinder, turn the engine over until you get oil pressure at the gauge and then continue cranking until you fully pump up the valve lifters to remove valvetrain lash. Lash is really hard on the valvetrain, it would be good to remove the lash before they see higher RPM. With the valve covers off, you can tell when the lifters are pumped up. 5) Follow cylinder rebuilder's recommendations for proper break-in oil and procedures. 6) If/when the mags, or any other accessory are removed, carefully inspect the condition of the internal gears, bearings, etcetera.
Thank you for sharing such awesome advice. We’re still waiting on a few parts yet and will have her put together and buttoned up soon. Can’t wait to get her back in the air 👍🏼
I just found your channel and I'm now addicted to it I enjoy rebuilding and repairing old engines and get them running I'm 14 years old and I got a real old chainsaw running that my grandparents never thought would run again
Between the power gain from the P&P and a Powerflow exhaust you could be in the neighborhood of 190hp which would be perfect in an old Cherokee. Btw, did you get a ferry permit for that flight?
How did your AD 2020-24-05 go? Interested how the spars hold up from just sitting as opposed to constant stress. The trade off is never inspecting/CPC'ing
Love the channel, got me with the new airplane video you have to get running to acquire but I don’t see the video(s) where you finished the first plane? Is the RV the only finished project?
omg glad to hear you are safe now!! beautiful beautiful aircraft this one aswell... i like the interior too tho... maybe you should keep it it's a classic...!!
Whenever the cylinders are removed like that, it's a good idea to place something under the connecting rod like a clean rag. There are actual plastic covers made that seal off the opening and have a channel for the connecting rod to fit into.
At this point in time you are too vastly green to even begin to appreciate how foolish it was to immediately take that plane XC after 10 years of sitting - rusty cylinder bores, shrunken gaskets, crank seals, vacuum pump, fuel selector O-rings, and other issues beyond count. That you made it without losing the engine over rough country is sheer pure dumb luck. That camshaft is the next suspect to need a few AMU. Do an oil analysis every 50 hours for at least 4 times. Good luck my friend and welcome to the wonderful world of airplane ownership. After 60 years I can tell you that the AMU (aircraft maintenance unit) comes in $1000 increments.
We did have an AP review the logs and look over the Cherokee before flying it back. The cam was scoped. We actually found that the carb had developed a hairline crack at some point and was sucking air thus leaning out the mixture. Even at full rich it was too lean. Lucky for us that it only scorched one of the cylinders. We are building it back 110% with a complete overhaul from the firewall forward. Thank you for watching and for your input. These old planes are amazing machines !
Denny your comments are spot on. And, please remember he said they departed ahead of a storm and had a rough ride! 'Too vastly green' is a gross understatement.
Been flying for 15 years am I’m with Denny on this one. This whole situation made me very uneasy. Always remember in flying that two of the biggest killers in GA (General Aviation) is poor maintenance and rash decisions made at times of poor or worsening weather. Get homeitis kills many pilots. Also do your research on who maintains your plane. I am lucky to have a fantastic mechanic but I hear so many horror stories of planes flown well out of annual or people finding someone to sign them off so they can get going only for the plane to have an engine failure down the road.
Too scary for me and I was a mechanic and civilian pilot before the academy and flying military. I was also involved in the EAA for a long time. Noting the statistics, I didn't want to fly anything with a car engine and gliding some place safe after an engine failure is only a 50/50 reality at best, and odds of not damaging the aircraft are poorer yet. The birds nest on the engine is one thing. Birds nests in a wing is quite another. Bird crap is highly acidic. If the wings ARE still good, there are cleaners and sprays you can use to keep from losing them. Sometimes the cylinders a good even after sitting a long time. It sounds like it doesn't have a way to measure EGT. That would have saved you even a top. The weather itself may or may not have been an issue, and having the CFI with you was a good move. However, flying something iffy, with an unproven NAV and COMM, with iffy weather around, all of those factors are an addition problem on the ground, but becomes a multiplication problem when something doesn't line up in the air, you don't have a good excuse to take the risk, and you don't have a yellow handle to pull. We like your videos. Before flight school, I had to take physical at another base. That physical is more in depth than any you will get afterwards. I flew my airplane down there, and knew there was weather closing in, but I also knew that I could fly down there, and get my physical, and get out of there before it became a factor. As I was ready to take off, I received a call that my grandpa had died unexpectedly and everyone knew we were two peas in a pod. I was listed as a poll bearer. You go from station to station for 8 stations in different buildings. I asked when I got to station one how long it would take for my eyes to clear. They told me an hour or two. I got the same answer in the next 6 stations. On the 8th and final station the doctor who dilated my eyes told me, they told you that? It will be ~8 hours. I didn't believe him and had the taxi bring me to the airfield. I went to do my preflight and I couldn't hold the dipstick far enough away to read it. I couldn't set my radios inside, let alone read a chart. The airfield was not open all night. After it got closing time, I had someone dial a taxi because I couldn't read numbers of the phone. The next morning I'm fine, I get the plane all ready and they told me I had to stay for the briefing, which wasn't until 9:00 AM. Then pilots started filtering in and they screwed around for an hour and 15 minutes and advised me not to make the flight. Had they let me leave at 8:00, I could have made it. Now, it looked 50/50 for VFR. Along the way I listened to TWEB and listened to airports going down to the west and getting a lot closer as I flew north and the lower I flew. Then I hear the ones west and behind me cancelling flight operations. I'm now thinking, I can fly east to try to skirt it... Then some things my flight instructor said to me started coming back. "GetHomeItis kills lots of pilots", "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than to be in the air and wishing you were on the ground.", When you find yourself rationalizing, it means you already know the answer, you just don't like the answer." I began thinking reality rather than wishful thinking. If I fly east, I'll almost be in the Appalachians for a fuel stop, I will be losing time to fly there and refuel and most likely be stuck there. I could go over it, and the weather is supposed to be OK at the destination, but not great, and I would letting down through a think layer after dark, and no deice. I'm single engine, with a NAV/COMM. Possible? Yes. Legal? Yes. Smart? I couldn't make that one work because too many factors that had to line up. I landed in Muncie Indiana and in 1/2 hour or less it went IFR, and within another hour it closed. The jet pilots couldn't even leave because of the take-off minimums. I couldn't see the tower 100 yards away. They kept saying it a few hours. Unbelievably that continued for 3 days. I learned from talking with other pilots there. The one who really made out was the vending machine vendor. The funeral was history before I got back. However, this experience is part of my decision making to this day. I have forever been grateful for the little sayings I learned from a flight instructor.
You better get a small light and a mirror to inspect the cam lobes and lifter faces while it is apart like that. Check the AD notes on the main gear scissors and the control yokes. One more thing, at the Lycoming factory we used to install large washers on the cylinder through studs and torque them up to spec, so the crankcase bearing tension was maintained while the cylinders were off for service.
Very good advice 👍🏼 The cam does seem to look good along with the gear. We went over the AD list and carefully went over the entire airplane. The engine only has 340 hrs on it since it’s last major. We’ll get her up and flying again soon but are planning on paying extra close attention to her.
i'm loving your content - eye for items plus the look/jump reaction- i'm sure there is more involved but for content decisions plus arriving at answers may be cut short on camera- I started your videos yesterday and doing binge watching, this particular build/rebuild looks great (as does all the others) however there is no follow up ?Is this waiting for parts to come in ?
Love the math graphics! The vast majority of the US Air Force's aerial refueling fleet, the KC-135s were all rolled out from1957-1964. No replacement in service yet....
I would fly in a air plane that is 59 years old if you didn’t tell me it was 59 years old lol. Can’t wait to watch the future videos peaked my interest when you found that old twin turbo plane that sat out for 16 years now you got me hooked!
Where at in PA? I grew up on lake Erie and KERI Tom Ridge Field was my home airport. I hope to see more videos with this plane and also watching you fly it. Looks in great shape overall.
Nowadays you only need instruments to monitor the engine, compasses have been useless for 20 years now, and most all of your flight instruments for navigation and communication are built into a handheld tablet that can mount anywhere. Makes it simple to fly just about anything with wings or rotors. Been flying both since 76, and the electronics keep making it simpler each year.
Thought initially that this was Jimmy’s World Cherokee. The wrap/paint looks similar. Had to go back and check the tail number to realize they were different planes.
Hi Jason...Happy New Year, congratulations on your new (to you) plane. I hope your still working on it and plan to get it fixed and airworthy. I'm sure many beside myself are looking forward to your videos.... !!!!!!!
I’m 59… born in March 1962… first Moon landing came on July 16, 1969 😂😂😂 Answer is NO… DON’T fly it!!! 😂. Too late… but you made it anyways so congrats!!! Love the journey of this video!
CFI stands for Commercial Flight Instructor. Other ratings are FI (Flight Instructor), CRI (class rating instructor), IRI (Instrument Rating Instructor), TRI (type rating instructor), SFI (Synthetic flight instructor), etc. And then you have the examiners.
To answer your final comment, plenty of people fly in aircraft which are more than 60 years old. Some WW2 DC-3's still fly on regular passenger routes, for instance. Some aircraft of that era are even being used for racing, at places such as Reno. Also, an Avro Lancaster crossed the Atlantic twice, between Canada and Great Britain, a few years ago. The oldest authentic original aircraft I know of, and which are still flying, date back to before WW1. One hails from 1908. Check out Old Warden on YT for some of those. There is even an original Bleriot XI which is still airworthy (on good days!), and it dates from about 1909.
Hi, aircraft mechanic here. A lot of the planes I work on are even 70 years old and look great. When you fix things as they break, with a heavy focus on preventative maintenance, these things last decades and decades and 10's of thousands of hours.
I was USAF 85-89. I was in the VERY last piston recip engine maint class the USAF ever had. Me and 3 others. IO-360D. Cessna 337 /O2A Skymaster (push/pull ) (Vietnam era forward observer) . My AFSC was combined with prop maintenance. 426X1. Birddog's forever! Some of out birds even had unauthorized patched holes left over from Nam.
I did my Commercial in a 140 so they have a special place for me. My flight test machine didn't have the old roof trim though as it was a "newer" model.
You won't know what power gain from the new exhaust system until you first reinstall the original, but of course you know that.....! Keep up the good work,,, I'm a new subscriber and a new follower!
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Wow just found your channel and I’m addicted and fascinated. My great grandma, who was one of my best friends in this world, was one of the first 3 woman airplane mechanics in the United States. Still blown away by it! Anyways watching you tinker and fix things reminds me so much of her, I can’t believe she could work on planes like this. So so cool! I wish so badly I could watch these video with her. She would have been amazed by RUclips lol.
Hey Brandy
Thank you for sharing the story about your Grandma. One of the first woman aviation mechanics ! So freaking cool !! I can tell you’re proud and that she left you with some really amazing memories.
Thank you for watching 👍🏼
Super cool!
Let’s go man, it’s been 3 months in that engine rebuild. 🙏🏻
It's not the age of an airplane, it's the regular mechanical inspections done per the FAA requirements. A plane can fly for a long time if it is taken care of.
yeah most ppl would be (wrongfully) scared if they knew how old the Boeing 757 they're flying on is
@@howdareyou41 Nah if the plane is maintained constantly then its more likely that bad parts and rust is spotted and treated. old planes that have been sitting for a long time need to be stripped bare and checked before it should be certified to be fly worthy imho.
I still fly my Grandfather’s old Comanche 265. Great bird! Very stable, and we are meticulous about maintenance. It’s going to need a new engine soon, so we’re thinking about how to get a tad bit more performance out of it. We just updated the avionics and it’s a good crops-county bird now. I use it all the time for work.
@@rickrapirio3798 - have pics of it? I love aviation.
I flew a 1946 Piper Cub it was in perfect condition it all depends on maintenance and how much the owner loves it.
I had a 72 Cherokee for 5yrs and loved it. I flew it down into Baja many times and back to Oshkosh. It's a wonderful plan and the 20 more hp is perfect
Good evening to all from SE Louisiana 2 Feb 22.
As a young black kid going up in 1960's Montgomery, Alabama, which is only a few miles from Tuskegee, the Tuskegee Airmen have always been heroes of mine. Knowing of their story, aviation has always been a great interest of mine as well.
I was about to start taking flying lessons two years ago when a childhood friend of mine crashed while doing a news story about an instructor giving lessons to underprivileged kids. Covid also put my plans on hold.
I love the great work you're doing with planes and I hope you don't mind me living out my aviation passions vicariously through you. :-)
First six hours to solo in one of these. Owned a coupe 2 years and rebuilt it with my AP. You're on track with this one. Love stuff like this. Motor head here who has rebuilt all kinds of vehicles/situations. Rock on!
Mine is a 1962 Bellanca Cruisemaster that I am in the process of rebuilding. It has a tube and fabric fuselage with all wooden wings. The engine is a continental IO-470 that puts out 260 hp at 2700 RPM. It has retractable landing gear and caries 4 people. Have a great time rebuilding and flying your plane!
Jason, I fly a 1965 140 that I have done alot of work to. You are going to love the powerflow exhaust. I can definitely tell the difference when flying a stock 140 vs mine with the powerflow. Looking forward to more videos to see the progress!
We’re super excited to see how it performs. Looking for some better climb rate and maybe a bit more cruise wouldn’t hurt either 🤣😂
The Surfly will a huge gain with your ported and polished cylinders and more hp than you think. All planes should have that up grade and it will help cool cylinders and advance your timing on top end a retard it when on ground and don’t advance timing and will make it start so easy and no more trouble when you try to start a hot engine, it will be one of your best up grade. Good luck !
Many years ago I worked as an A&P mechanic for a company that repaired helicopters that had landed with forward momentum :) Lots of airframe work as we rebuilt the landing struts.
I used to (part) own a 1962 Cherokee before my licence expired during lockdown last year. They are amazing aircraft, an absolute treat to fly. Those avionics you said were 'outdated', sure, but they still work. That's the beauty of these aircraft, they really were built to last.
Learned to fly in this model in 1969. A solid, great plane. Beautiful, and great purchase.
The Piper series was the 140, 180, Arrow (retractable) and the 235 the most fun to fly). There was also a 6 seater, the Cherokee 6.
Love the Pipers. Maybe not the fastest, but good solid airplanes 👍🏼
Learned to fly in all 4 models you described back in the 60s-70s. My Dad was a CFI.
@@rebuildrescue Absolutely a true statement!
This was the year of my dad's PA-28. Great memories! The airframe is still out there but no idea if it's still airworthy.
If you can remember/find the tail number you could research who owns it and maybe see it again or at least see if it’s still flying.
@@rebuildrescue I know how to contact the owner but it would mainly be a sentimental exercise for me. Likely the engine is out of time. It’s crossed my mind to see if I could ever buy it back but at this time it is unfeasible for me.
I loved seeing your bird though! Make more videos!
Wow. My SAR operational risk management training is kicking into overdrive. That flight would have been a no go for me for many reasons. Any number of things could have happened. Glad you made it back alive.
Theatre. That engine has quite a few new looking components. An experienced CFI (old) would not take off in an aircraft which had simply stood for 10 years. It will have been thoroughly checked over and test flown.
I weekly fly my 1963 cessna 210 and feel safer in that than in my car. It's all about keeping up with annuals, maintenance, and keeping it in a hangar :)
Looking forward to seeing more progress on this aircraft.
Just been through this with my Piper Warrior 2. It's great your airplane was in a hanger for all those years. Mine was outside and I'm paying the price with an engine overhaul right now. Also, good storytelling with your videos.
Thank you Dave ! I love the Warriors and have been thinking about buying one. Much better glide ratio than the Cherokee with that nicely tapered wing… 👍🏼
I just love the idea of working on some kind of small air craft and getting it to fly. It's completely out of my price range and I know there's a lot a professional has to do, I still love the idea.
My dad learned to fly in one of these. I went up with his instructor a couple of times when I was a kid.. good memories.
Kudo’s dude on the cleanup. I would have had the barf bag with me. Skiing is a terrific way to relax. Looks like you had some great powder. Heal quick and well. 👍
Please keep making videoes about this plane. It will be great to see it flying again.
I have a 1961 Cherokee 160 and it’s an awesome airplane! It has a nice useful load and is very inexpensive to maintain. Good luck with your airplane. I look forward to seeing more videos about the restoration. 👍
Love the Cherokees as well. Just picked up a 235 to add to the fleet. Can’t wait to get this 160 to max hp and see how she flys!
What wingtips are on it?
love this aviation content. if you can possibly start pumping out 2-3 videos per week, it's easily going to help start paying off these repair bills AND make me a very happy viewer :)
congrats on your find. Looks like a sweet little airplane. hope the wing spar ad is all good. Here's to many years of happy flying.
Cheers from Louisiana.
Wing spar AD was done and she looks like new !
Learned to fly in an old Cherokee, brought back great memories
How did that work? If it had been sitting for 10 years, it probably didn't have a current annual, and maybe even missed some AD (such as the recent wing-spar inspection). So did you get a permit-to-fly for the single ferry flight? And, six hours? Does it hold that much fuel, or did you stop en-route? With an engine that makes more power (I seriously doubt the 180 hp figure, such a change would normally require a supplementary type certificate, and the changes would need to be approved by Lycoming and by the FAA) you would also need a new prop, otherwise you will overspeed it easily.
I flew in a WWII B-17 when one visited nearby where I live. Absolutely amazing. Also really really REALLY LOUD!
This guy is a man's man, I'm extremely impressed with the persistence and troubleshooting.
My first flying lessons were in a Cherokee 140 located at Statesboro Airport, Statesboro GA in 1968. Tough old birds, lots of folks learned to fly in them.
You should have landed immediately when you realized you had an engine problem. Trying to make your destination is a classic example of "Get Thereitis."
Most of the piston planes I see come through our shop tend to be in excess of 40 years old usually are anywhere from late 60s to early 80s. These small pipers are simple and forgiving, I think you have a good one!
Love the planes...please show the repair process and when flying show that also. Many who subscribe to aviation channels are pilots themselves but many are not and it is interesting seeing the whole process. One of my fav channels is Jimmys World...this is what he does. But his intent is to repair and flip. As far as the age...that is nothing...Some airlines that fly into remote areas use planes from the 40s. They want super simple and age gives you that...
i just commented on your Cessna 401 video and mentioned my Cherokee project. My 1965 Cherokee is very similar to yours. The only thing going for it was the reasonable paint job. The interior, 2400 hour engine as well as ancient avionics are being replaced or overhauled. I live in Massachusetts and flew it (after a quick annual) 1100 miles from St. Louis.
The Cherokee Pa28 is one of my favorites. Great flying machines ! This one should have 190-195hp after it’s built according to Lycon. We’ll be doing a build video on it soon and also dyno tuning the engine before installing it back on the 160. What model Cherokee do you have ?
@@rebuildrescue Mine is a PA-28-140. With the Powerflow exhaust and RAM 160 conversion, I hope to get a better climb out of it. Cruise won't change at the same power setting because I already have a 60 pitch prop. Really excited for this build!
@@c140flyer I also have a 67 140 with a ram 160 conversion and the power flow ! It has Art Mattson wing root vg’s and the prop tip mod with a 60 prop on it along with newer wing tips. I bought it with the mods done. It’s not as fast as I think it should be but we haven’t checked the rigging on it yet. Keep in touch and let me know how your build is going. Would love to connect with you when your Cherokee is done. 👍🏼
I did my first solo in a 140. Great memories.
You HAVE TO make another video where you manage to start the Cessna 401engine!!! Please keep up the general aviation content. Love it!!
Can’t wait to see this plane come together! Hope to see more videos soon!! New subscriber and follower for all this aviation stuff
I flew my Cherokee Warrior from Laurel Maryland to Sao Paulo Brazil. It's such a trustworthy airplane & really stable... great in turbulence as long as you fly the numbers. Because of the handling and stability, it's a great single pilot IFR aircraft. Trims up easily and keeps trim.
Hey Sarah ! Thank you for sharing your experiences with your Warrior…. These pipers are really cool and simple airplanes. Hoping to get this one back up in the air soon !
Thank you for watching 👍🏼
@@rebuildrescue Absolutely! When she's ready, please learn her numbers very carefully... you'll find that she will go with you places no one else goes, i.e. I took N9871K into a roll-cloud of a western front and as the altimeter wound down (from 6500 ft) she stayed straight and level. I got out of the draft at 1000' AGL and landed at Brown County Ohio. I took off again into the front I saw all of the "weather engines" we study, i.e. virga, changes of color [blue to pink] indicating changes of pressure & moisture, clouds moving around because of electrical charges, updraft & nearby downdraft strings of rain that appeared & disappeared, etc.) and suddenly I was out of it… the front boundaries are that sharp. Please get your commercial/instrument training before you get that close to a front… N9871K was the love of my life!
That plane has a beautiful paint scheme! I know it's old as fuck, but the paint scheme is so clean & modern looking! Very tasteful!
Hello from the UK, yes, me again. That plane looks in really great condition for the age it is!
Some pointers mechanics sometimes miss:
1) With the cylinders off, you should have your crankcase carefully and thoroughly inspected for evidence of main bearing shifting, cam lobe, tappet wear, etc. Sometimes mechanics remove the cylinders, have them rebuilt, only to mount them back onto a crankcase with problems.
2) Lubricate your cam lobes/lifter faces. LPS-3 would work well here.
2) You also need to pull the tappet guts (the socket and hydraulic units) out of the tappet bodies. A bent piece of .041" safety wire makes a good tool for this. Then, you'll need to pull the eight hydraulic units apart, rinse with solvent, and test for proper bleed-down rate. Keep hydraulic units as matched pairs. Reassemble hydraulic units empty with light WD40 spray (this is important to obtain proper clearance in the next step).
3) After the cylinders are properly torqued on, The correct valve rocker clearance is achieved by installing different length pushrods (there are 4 different lengths available).
4) With at least one spark plug removed from each cylinder, turn the engine over until you get oil pressure at the gauge and then continue cranking until you fully pump up the valve lifters to remove valvetrain lash. Lash is really hard on the valvetrain, it would be good to remove the lash before they see higher RPM. With the valve covers off, you can tell when the lifters are pumped up.
5) Follow cylinder rebuilder's recommendations for proper break-in oil and procedures.
6) If/when the mags, or any other accessory are removed, carefully inspect the condition of the internal gears, bearings, etcetera.
Thank you for sharing such awesome advice. We’re still waiting on a few parts yet and will have her put together and buttoned up soon. Can’t wait to get her back in the air 👍🏼
A friend of mine has a 1961 Piper Comanche. We go flying in it often, even though it is 8 years older than I am!
Nice little aircraft. Looks like it has done about 75 hours since the previous owner bought it in 2014. I did a lot of training in an old 140.
What a great training and puddle jumper! Can’t wait to see more videos once you get her back together!
Being stored in a hanger greatly helped to preserve it
Three turns of the "roof" elevator trim and you are trimmed for a 75knt engine out glide.
I just found your channel and I'm now addicted to it I enjoy rebuilding and repairing old engines and get them running I'm 14 years old and I got a real old chainsaw running that my grandparents never thought would run again
Awesome Nicholas ! Get your hands dirty and don’t give up. That’s how I learned and still learn today. 👍🏼
Get well soon buddy
Between the power gain from the P&P and a Powerflow exhaust you could be in the neighborhood of 190hp which would be perfect in an old Cherokee. Btw, did you get a ferry permit for that flight?
I routinely fly a plane built in 1943. It's a P-38 Lightening named "Lady in Red". Catch us at an air show near you this spring.
Just found your channel with the Cessna 401 video. Love this one as well! All the best.
How did your AD 2020-24-05 go? Interested how the spars hold up from just sitting as opposed to constant stress. The trade off is never inspecting/CPC'ing
The Piper Cherokee was always my plane of choice, always enjoyed flying it a lot more then a Cessna.
Love the Pipers !
Love the channel, got me with the new airplane video you have to get running to acquire but I don’t see the video(s) where you finished the first plane? Is the RV the only finished project?
Cherokees are great reliable Airplanes. The increase in horsepower will make it even more efficient. Good luck and enjoy!
Nice! I did civil air patrol when I was in ROTC and flew cesna but not for long. I would love to start taking flight lessons again.
RIght out of the gate you have excellent production quality. I really like your channel right off the bat!
omg glad to hear you are safe now!! beautiful beautiful aircraft this one aswell... i like the interior too tho... maybe you should keep it it's a classic...!!
I've been watching your 401 rescue and stumbled across this video. I earned my PPL with Delbert 4 years ago!
Diggin this stuff man...70yr old student pilot and learning from everybody...!!
Whenever the cylinders are removed like that, it's a good idea to place something under the connecting rod like a clean rag. There are actual plastic covers made that seal off the opening and have a channel for the connecting rod to fit into.
Thank you for the video.
Love the humourous video bites you add to your videos 😁👍
At this point in time you are too vastly green to even begin to appreciate how foolish it was to immediately take that plane XC after 10 years of sitting - rusty cylinder bores, shrunken gaskets, crank seals, vacuum pump, fuel selector O-rings, and other issues beyond count. That you made it without losing the engine over rough country is sheer pure dumb luck. That camshaft is the next suspect to need a few AMU. Do an oil analysis every 50 hours for at least 4 times. Good luck my friend and welcome to the wonderful world of airplane ownership. After 60 years I can tell you that the AMU (aircraft maintenance unit) comes in $1000 increments.
We did have an AP review the logs and look over the Cherokee before flying it back. The cam was scoped. We actually found that the carb had developed a hairline crack at some point and was sucking air thus leaning out the mixture. Even at full rich it was too lean. Lucky for us that it only scorched one of the cylinders. We are building it back 110% with a complete overhaul from the firewall forward.
Thank you for watching and for your input. These old planes are amazing machines !
Denny your comments are spot on. And, please remember he said they departed ahead of a storm and had a rough ride! 'Too vastly green' is a gross understatement.
Been flying for 15 years am I’m with Denny on this one. This whole situation made me very uneasy.
Always remember in flying that two of the biggest killers in GA (General Aviation) is poor maintenance and rash decisions made at times of poor or worsening weather. Get homeitis kills many pilots.
Also do your research on who maintains your plane. I am lucky to have a fantastic mechanic but I hear so many horror stories of planes flown well out of annual or people finding someone to sign them off so they can get going only for the plane to have an engine failure down the road.
That’s what struck me Denny. These videos are great and but without proper maintenance these planes can be death traps. A bullet was dodged here.
Too scary for me and I was a mechanic and civilian pilot before the academy and flying military. I was also involved in the EAA for a long time. Noting the statistics, I didn't want to fly anything with a car engine and gliding some place safe after an engine failure is only a 50/50 reality at best, and odds of not damaging the aircraft are poorer yet. The birds nest on the engine is one thing. Birds nests in a wing is quite another. Bird crap is highly acidic. If the wings ARE still good, there are cleaners and sprays you can use to keep from losing them. Sometimes the cylinders a good even after sitting a long time. It sounds like it doesn't have a way to measure EGT. That would have saved you even a top. The weather itself may or may not have been an issue, and having the CFI with you was a good move. However, flying something iffy, with an unproven NAV and COMM, with iffy weather around, all of those factors are an addition problem on the ground, but becomes a multiplication problem when something doesn't line up in the air, you don't have a good excuse to take the risk, and you don't have a yellow handle to pull. We like your videos.
Before flight school, I had to take physical at another base. That physical is more in depth than any you will get afterwards. I flew my airplane down there, and knew there was weather closing in, but I also knew that I could fly down there, and get my physical, and get out of there before it became a factor. As I was ready to take off, I received a call that my grandpa had died unexpectedly and everyone knew we were two peas in a pod. I was listed as a poll bearer. You go from station to station for 8 stations in different buildings. I asked when I got to station one how long it would take for my eyes to clear. They told me an hour or two. I got the same answer in the next 6 stations. On the 8th and final station the doctor who dilated my eyes told me, they told you that? It will be ~8 hours. I didn't believe him and had the taxi bring me to the airfield. I went to do my preflight and I couldn't hold the dipstick far enough away to read it. I couldn't set my radios inside, let alone read a chart. The airfield was not open all night. After it got closing time, I had someone dial a taxi because I couldn't read numbers of the phone. The next morning I'm fine, I get the plane all ready and they told me I had to stay for the briefing, which wasn't until 9:00 AM. Then pilots started filtering in and they screwed around for an hour and 15 minutes and advised me not to make the flight. Had they let me leave at 8:00, I could have made it. Now, it looked 50/50 for VFR. Along the way I listened to TWEB and listened to airports going down to the west and getting a lot closer as I flew north and the lower I flew. Then I hear the ones west and behind me cancelling flight operations. I'm now thinking, I can fly east to try to skirt it... Then some things my flight instructor said to me started coming back. "GetHomeItis kills lots of pilots", "It's better to be on the ground wishing you were in the air than to be in the air and wishing you were on the ground.", When you find yourself rationalizing, it means you already know the answer, you just don't like the answer." I began thinking reality rather than wishful thinking. If I fly east, I'll almost be in the Appalachians for a fuel stop, I will be losing time to fly there and refuel and most likely be stuck there. I could go over it, and the weather is supposed to be OK at the destination, but not great, and I would letting down through a think layer after dark, and no deice. I'm single engine, with a NAV/COMM. Possible? Yes. Legal? Yes. Smart? I couldn't make that one work because too many factors that had to line up. I landed in Muncie Indiana and in 1/2 hour or less it went IFR, and within another hour it closed. The jet pilots couldn't even leave because of the take-off minimums. I couldn't see the tower 100 yards away. They kept saying it a few hours. Unbelievably that continued for 3 days. I learned from talking with other pilots there. The one who really made out was the vending machine vendor. The funeral was history before I got back. However, this experience is part of my decision making to this day. I have forever been grateful for the little sayings I learned from a flight instructor.
You better get a small light and a mirror to inspect the cam lobes and lifter faces while it is apart like that. Check the AD notes on the main gear scissors and the control yokes. One more thing, at the Lycoming factory we used to install large washers on the cylinder through studs and torque them up to spec, so the crankcase bearing tension was maintained while the cylinders were off for service.
Very good advice 👍🏼
The cam does seem to look good along with the gear. We went over the AD list and carefully went over the entire airplane. The engine only has 340 hrs on it since it’s last major. We’ll get her up and flying again soon but are planning on paying extra close attention to her.
I'm looking forward to updates on this!
The Piper Cherokee 161 is what I learned to fly in. I think I soloed in this model.
i'm loving your content - eye for items plus the look/jump reaction- i'm sure there is more involved but for content decisions plus arriving at answers may be cut short on camera- I started your videos yesterday and doing binge watching, this particular build/rebuild looks great (as does all the others) however there is no follow up ?Is this waiting for parts to come in ?
Make sure the cam shaft is not pitted. Can’t wait to see this bird fly again!
As long as you have an A&P mechanic assisting you whether he or she is retired or not.....a beautiful plane .
Love the math graphics! The vast majority of the US Air Force's aerial refueling fleet, the KC-135s were all rolled out from1957-1964. No replacement in service yet....
The Cherokee is the most beautiful small private aircraft. It's the '62 XKE of the air.
I never knew we had a place that services aircraft engines here in Visalia. Weird learning that on a RUclips video from across the country.
looking forward to the builds!
I would fly in a air plane that is 59 years old if you didn’t tell me it was 59 years old lol. Can’t wait to watch the future videos peaked my interest when you found that old twin turbo plane that sat out for 16 years now you got me hooked!
Install shoulder harnesses ASAP do avoid heads smashing into the panel upon sudden stops...
Where at in PA? I grew up on lake Erie and KERI Tom Ridge Field was my home airport. I hope to see more videos with this plane and also watching you fly it. Looks in great shape overall.
Nowadays you only need instruments to monitor the engine, compasses have been useless for 20 years now, and most all of your flight instruments for navigation and communication are built into a handheld tablet that can mount anywhere. Makes it simple to fly just about anything with wings or rotors. Been flying both since 76, and the electronics keep making it simpler each year.
I miss my Cherokee 6 I was part owner in .Bought it in 1966 at the Piper Plant for $18,000 new flew it back to Iowa.
I flew the later model Warrior....nice plane!
The moon landing was still 7-8 years away. Nice plane!
You are literally scaring the crap out of me.. Gosh....I have anxiety just watching
Easy I was born in 62 !! 😱 and I remember watching the moon landing. Kinda
Will there be any update to this video ? Love the channel :o)
Thought initially that this was Jimmy’s World Cherokee. The wrap/paint looks similar. Had to go back and check the tail number to realize they were different planes.
Thanks for the content
This is the type of plane i need to find
Hi Jason...Happy New Year, congratulations on your new (to you) plane. I hope your still working on it and plan to get it fixed and airworthy. I'm sure many beside myself are looking forward to your videos.... !!!!!!!
Thank you and happy New Years !
Any updates on the Piper? Really want to see the latest. ✈️ I used to fly a Piper Archer.
My current trainer is a 66 140. Love it
My piper comanche is a 65 😬 love that plane so much
I’m 59… born in March 1962… first Moon landing came on July 16, 1969 😂😂😂 Answer is NO… DON’T fly it!!! 😂. Too late… but you made it anyways so congrats!!! Love the journey of this video!
CFI stands for Commercial Flight Instructor. Other ratings are FI (Flight Instructor), CRI (class rating instructor), IRI (Instrument Rating Instructor), TRI (type rating instructor), SFI (Synthetic flight instructor), etc. And then you have the examiners.
To answer your final comment, plenty of people fly in aircraft which are more than 60 years old. Some WW2 DC-3's still fly on regular passenger routes, for instance. Some aircraft of that era are even being used for racing, at places such as Reno. Also, an Avro Lancaster crossed the Atlantic twice, between Canada and Great Britain, a few years ago. The oldest authentic original aircraft I know of, and which are still flying, date back to before WW1. One hails from 1908. Check out Old Warden on YT for some of those. There is even an original Bleriot XI which is still airworthy (on good days!), and it dates from about 1909.
I'm always surprised how well some of these planes from the 60s have kept. They must have been well made.
Hi, aircraft mechanic here. A lot of the planes I work on are even 70 years old and look great. When you fix things as they break, with a heavy focus on preventative maintenance, these things last decades and decades and 10's of thousands of hours.
I was USAF 85-89. I was in the VERY last piston recip engine maint class the USAF ever had. Me and 3 others. IO-360D. Cessna 337 /O2A Skymaster (push/pull ) (Vietnam era forward observer) . My AFSC was combined with prop maintenance. 426X1. Birddog's forever! Some of out birds even had unauthorized patched holes left over from Nam.
Usually aircraft are really well cared for, so age for them is less of a concern than for an automobile or other type of vehicle.
Those big cylinder airplane motors run about like a diesel.
I took my private check ride in a 140. You bet I will be following along!
Awesome machines ! Thank you for watching Jon 👍🏼
I did my Commercial in a 140 so they have a special place for me. My flight test machine didn't have the old roof trim though as it was a "newer" model.
Check lower engine mount at nose strut for cracks. I've found at least 5 that needed repaired!
You won't know what power gain from the new exhaust system until you first reinstall the original, but of course you know that.....! Keep up the good work,,, I'm a new subscriber and a new follower!
Thank you for subscribing Henry !