Bernie gets nothing done! What has he passed in the last 30 years in office. He talks the talk but he gets no bills passed that benefit your average Joe!
@@ricomajestic late last year, Sanders cosponsored the 'cutting Medicare prescription drug prices in half'. That is an example of his personal work in the Senate
You know who did try what Kyle recommended? Ralph Nader did. Dennis Kucinich did. Cynthia McKinney did. Where are they, and what did we get beyond sound bites? Until we have 30 million people organized and reliably voting in the better people, we don’t have a chance, no matter the tactics.
@@ericpmoss Who are you trying to fool mate. The people you named never had the leverage or the numbers the squad did. Moreover Bernie did the exactly same thing and where is he? But since you know so well what did the strategy of getting along accomplished in 6 years?
@@jeremym1288 unfortunately AOC and the Squad sided with MTG, Matt Gaetz, Chip Roy and withholding aid to Ukraine 🙄🤦♂️ yeah “take a step back” on that one AOC
@@0MVR_0 at what point does that become pointless though? You have to fight back. Take hard stands. Make hard votes to show you mean business. If everyone knows you'll fold the second there's pushback, they're never going to take you seriously.
@@myllamaMan The point would be to force the already popular policies to become the majority position in Congress by using pressure from voters. You may need money and position but the left is inherently at a disadvantage with that already and any gains to reduce that disadvantage wouldn't be enough to get policies passed anyways. While the left has advantage with voter which can be leaned into and that won't go away easily with money or Washington politics. At least that's the arugment. Seems silly to think people advocating for this policy didn't consider needing majority votes. Everyone serious about this knows that but still disagrees with how to get there.
There is definitely things going on behind the scenes in our political environment. A.O.C. was like Porter in that she was unafraid to grill anyone. She just needs to breathe and take a moment for reassessment. Just remember that we all are somewhat in our own Plato's cave as far as information that doesn't exist to the individual from their perspective it really doesn't exist. How complex some of these things are is a headache. Best of luck to us all.
Bottom line for me is, I don't think AOC is disingenuous, she's human and can't take all the heat. I'm sympathetic. I can only imagine how hard it is. But she was elected to help the people and she needs to fight way harder. They all do; Presley, Omar, Bowman, Jayapal, Bush, Tlaib, Khanna, Porter... it's not only on AOC.
Kathy D Your post is one of the more thoughtful ones I’ve seen today. The pressures of not only having the machine against them, Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad,, which includes both major parties, establishment, Tucker, Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy, Dore, Matt, Taibbi, and every conservative Outlet there is. All the psychos in the GOP have the entire GOP establishment behind them, but the money and the voters as well. Kyle is so ignorant as to not understand what less than 10 people in the Democratic Party are up against.
That’s why Kyle doesn’t run for office. Or maybe he just won’t even get elected. I’m not sure. It’s so much easier from the outside to talk about “how to get things done” when you’re not involved on the inside.
Factions within the GOP may hate each other, but when it comes to what's best for their donors, they'll work together, so the in-fighting doesn't really mean anything
What about the argument that most of the things the Republican defectors argued for were things the majority would be fighting for regardless. I'd like to see a conversation about force the vote between Kyle and a Sam Seder, they typically argue different sides of this debate.
People tend to forget FTV wasn’t about forcing M4A but about knowing who would vote against it so they could be primaried latter on. This is assuming they could kick them out even if they voted against M4A. This would at best have taken years and at worst done nothing but hurt the party. And I say that coming from the far left (to the left of Bernie).
People tend to aggressively mock the FTV folks for saying such absolute nonsense, as it's incorrect to believe this. For one, it would have been 100% safe for opposition in the house to vote for it tactically, as it was not going to pass the senate. For another, we absolutely know who every single one of the no votes are currently, we don't need a vote for that, it's stupidly simple. For a 3rd, a lot of people would have been able to avoid a hard vote on that particularly in the senate. For a 4th, they likely couldn't have held against pressure for this because there weren't enough staunch progressives in the house to actually hold out in all probability. The issue with the concept overall is it's a strategy suggestion with some real downsides, and no visible upsides anywhere.
@@Yakri Exactly. I do not understand what the upside for FtV on Medicare for All could have possibly been. What we KNOW is that the vote would fail, and the narrative for the next two years would be "circular firing squad" and "dems find out just unpopular their ideas really are" and "the coastal elites have no idea what people actually want them to do." I think this would have been deleterious to an idea that has largely been gaining in popularity since at least 2016 across the country.
AOC did have a rabid base until she started folding legit! i loved AOC she represented me FINALLY no one else was coming out and saying the things i believed but now shes in the system playing the game and shes not representing us anymore is how i'm viewing it. I don't see many but maybe Omar consistently being brave enough to still say what we believe in popular and unpopular times. edit: also i live in Steuben county 15 minutes away from where the NYS map was redrawn lets be clear that map was gerrymandered and it was SO BAD the NY supreme court had to let a rural conservative judge in a very safe trump district far away from all of the democratic strongholds by more than 2 hours (5.5 hours from NYC!) redraw the map. i do genuinely feel like the map is more fair now they gave Ithaca a different district from ours meaning the only real democratic leading community was finally properly represented and they also gave us most of southern buffalo in exchange which is rural and mostly red. although she is right NY is the reason they lost the majority (especially in southern swing districts more near her home after all of the map drama in general) the reality is the new map is still a major improvement for all New Yorkers and our democracy in general. i do hope CA is addressed as well as the MANY red states in the same boat.
21:50 As to this point, here is my fear: I fear that all of us on the outside looking in, we have an idea as to how politics works, as to how a true progressive needs to fight. But, hear me out: What if that fight on the inside is way, WAY harder than we thought? What if, with all the progressive optimism that people like AOC had when they were first elected, when they said they will go in and fight, they went in looking to fight a juggernaut of a system, but it turned out to be a colossus 10 times bigger and tougher than they even imagined from the outside? That the big money interests in DC is just THAT powerful, that they really do stop all hopes of a fight against them? And, even worse, once someone like AOC gets in there and realizes how big of a fight it is, she is even prevented from openly admitting the reality of how it really is in DC?? I'm not talking "House of Cards They Will Push Your Ass Off Into an Oncoming Train" type of evilness if you dont play ball, but it might be something close to that. I really hope that I'm not even close to the mark. But is there a possibility that is close to reality? Maybe. I've never been a politician so I really don't know.
I don't even think this is a controversial point of view. President after president has described exactly this dynamic after they are out of office. I believe this is spot on.
@@joelsommers Yeah, though one would figure that if that was indeed the case, why doesn't any politician say it strait up WHILE they are in office? They always skirt the issue like "Oh, we are doing everything we can for the American people, blah blah blah" but they aren't specific as to why certain things they say they are going to do isn't getting done. We all know that politics is complicated, and that things can't change overnight. But hell... when it comes down to it, its all about the MONEY. Its all about greedy corporations and billionaires keeping nearly every politician in their pockets, pulling their strings. We all know it, but nothing ever gets done to stop it, in fact its simply getting worse by the year.
It's called "picking your battles." If you make every molehill the mountain you'll die on you won't even get crumbs. You'll be a 1-term footnote, b/c longevity in Congress matters for getting things accomplished. And don't even get me started on "fightin' the power" when the Right is in the middle of a coup. Constant in-fighting btw the Left and Right is how the Weimar gov't fell.
@@waltlock8805 It was the activist left pushing for more money and policies focused on climate change that got so much in the BBB bill dedicated to climate solutions. Additionally, student debt mitigation and forgiveness--this is something Biden actively opposed. Also, pardons for non-violent cannabis incarcerants. Not every fight is manifest within an omnibus bill (though in this last term, many were).
"What's that, leadership? You are unhappy that I did what my constituents and the voters want? Can I get you to say that on camera and on the record? Ohh, you changed you mind? You're sorry? That's great. Thanks for figuring out right and wrong. Any time you forget, I will let the voters know it is time to remind you. Oh, and the next time you try this, I am posting a video showing all of your contributions from major corporations. Have a good day!".
A major difference between Repubs fighting their own party is that they, for the most part, get a lot of benefit out the of government doing nothing. Where as progressives want government to do things.
She's speaking as an individual politician worried about the public reaction. You can work respectfully with people even people you do not respect without compromising your principles. Bernie shows how. Wouldn't it be great if we had 15 representatives voting their conscience and fighting for real solutions?
This is why term limits needs to be pushed. If some of the members of the Progressive wing knew they only had a limited amount of time to push their individual agenda rather than a potential lifetime, they'd ruffle all the feathers and burn all the bridges to get it done
Kyle and Cenk should never have left JD… they should have just made a board of directors with more diversity and no ceo type leader… so frustrating to see the current direction
Thanks. Please point out the monologues she gave about the urgency of now and her willingness to become a one-term congressperson and do exactly what you're asking her to do now. Don't be afraid to be mean. Or just don't be mean but be firm. You're describing exactly what she said she planned on doing when she first started her first term. She said I'm not here to make friends. I think she said that right after she occupied pelosi's office with a few of her friends. That's back when she wasn't flipping the bird to the grassroots. She's not going to be your friend anyway, see you might as well be firm and shame her a little bit. Bernie refused to let you interview him and you were polite to him.
AOC has & is doing a great job. You have to pick your battles and do what works for you. It's easy for people who haven't stood for office and actually been elected to just think you can do this that and the other etc and it'll all magically work out perfectly, reality is somewhat different. Kyle has the ideas & passion, but he needs to stand for election himself, you can't just expect others to do everything the way you think is best.
There was nothing to gain from force the vote. No bills that they could have fought to be put to a vote would have passed and it would’ve further divided them more than the leadership not liking them. This isn’t about being popular or making friends in congress it’s about actually being able to construct meaningful legislation even with conservative dems.
Has anything important in the last two years happened that we can talk about besides FTV? Agree with AOC or not, can we fucking move in from this? Or are we just going to complain indefinitely about this issue and burn bridges with 1 of a dozen allies we have in congress?
Those "allies" have shown consistently that they aren't allies. They caved to the democratic establishment. I jumped ship when they didn't vote with the rail workers. How can you claim to be progressive and completely turn your back to the workers when they needed you most? Workers who donated their hard earned time and money to their campaign. These progressives are all talk.
Ever since I heard her refer to Pelosi as mama bear, I have had almost 0 faith in AOC being anything but a younger generic Democrat. I don't care in the slightest what she believes if she won't fight for it
i agree with the sentiment here but truly for Gaetz it was just disruptive to be disruptive. a lot of house republicans have no real policy agenda so its not really comparable.
Yeah she was good and fighting like for the first 3 years, and now what, we’ll I do not give $$$ to her campaign anymore, I moved to the best new thing KATIE PORTER is my vote of choice, never gets tired of watching her confront oligarchs or corrupt CEOs
She isn’t flashy woke but actually fights for bread and butter issues. She wasn’t afraid of not voting for Pelosi in 2021 nor did she shirk away from confronting CEOs which even caused Maxcine Waters to remove her from the committee. I don’t buy AOC’s bs. Just admit that you ran for reelection to maintain a cushy job in Congress with good healthcare and are afraid to grind hard as a bartender again.
Kyle when you respond to her first point about creating distinctions I think you may be missing something. You countered by highlighting the individual personal rifts that may develop, but the factions would be dis functional too. Wether the freedom caucus, or the squad, it would play in a similar way. By taking that step anyone associated with those groups have to live with the outcomes.
She’s playing “the long game”. AOC will still be around after Nancy has retired. She might as well be singing “Time is on my side” by The Rolling Stones to Mz.Pelosi.
oh well, as if you, me or Kyle would give up the sweet life of a congress person. It's easy to claim when you want to get there, but once you have all the nice things, it requires a crazy amount of courage to throw it away for principles. Especially, if you can lie to yourself by claiming that it's not the right time right now and you will do a lot for people later. Good luck finding people like this without picking a crazy person. Kyle is still in an abusive relationship with Joe Rogan, who doesn't call him anymore because he only speaks to conservatives now so Kyle should know how hard it is to "grow a pair".
@@vanivari359 Mate your words mean just one thing she's a sellout point blank. It doesn't mind if you sell yourself higher to corporate institutions or for a paycheck you're a sellout either way in the case of AOC she's cheap.
@@somerealnews6312 when's the last time they REALLY got SOMETHING done?!? Being friends or getting along w each other would be nice if they actually ever wanted to do something. They're all just status quo corporate politicians who are there to enrich themselves, their friends and family.
I want to see the grass roots take on the Democratic leadership. No progressives in Washington are willing to do it but if we start to target and taken them out again then I think everyone on the left might wake up finally.
She keeps talking "Lauren Bobert barely won and almost lost" over and over but what I hear is "she's still in office and got what she wanted". A win by 1 vote and a win by 10 million votes still count the same.
Difference is those guys on the right don't care what their colleagues think about them. They might not be there to actually help their constituents, but neither are they there to make friends. Use your power and FIGHT for good policies and eventually you will EARN your colleagues respect if nothing else.
Jay Gormley There are no consequences to the GOP doing anything awful, as long as they get Trump and huge financial support. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad don’t have that luxury. Tucker, Greenwald, Jimmy Dore and all the horseshoe left and right $HiT on them. Too many progressives also jump in there when AOC and the squad don’t accomplish enough for them.
People on the right are on average lower in agreeableness so yeah they tend not to care as much what people think about them and are more likely to rock the boat.
She is petrified of the media blitz she would get, and because of that she's lost the plot. she is first and foremost concerned about herself😔😞😞 and the really scary part is: Hillary and Nancy were suppose to be progressive warriors like 50 yrs ago and we all now how that story ended.
Here’s the thing, she does have a legitimate concern the rabid right wingers stoke hate for her that turns into threats and the Corporate Dems will spend untold amounts of money to unseat her. It’s a tough position. FDR had something she doesn’t have and that’s wealth to fund his security detail and his campaigns.
People like AOC need to understand that the dirtbags at fox news are going to attack and smear them, no matter what they do. They're not above just lying and making sh*t up.
She is rightly terrified because majority of Dem voters support the mainstream media. The right can buck the media all day long because 98% of their voters HATE the media. Until Dem voters change, resistance can't work within the party.
Kyrsten, too. But that's how they get you. I bet once AOC got in and got comfortable with her new job, and new salary, the DNC let her know she'd better start playing ball because that bartending job was still waiting for her. Unfortunately, that's kind of why it becomes hard to ask regular people to work in the system. Once they become a part of it, they become dependent on it .
Their job isn't to fight the establishment. Their job is to trick left-leaning voters into giving "progressives" the voters' resources (votes, donations, champaign efforts) before handing all that over to the establishment democrats, making it all useless.
At the very least to point out the myriad of reasons why they are wrong, and will ultimately only deliver everything to republicans without solidarity.
Nancy Mesek Kyle, Cenk Uygur, David Doel, Majority Report and online progressives are the problem. They campaigned to help get Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad elected, then virtually gave up. They basically said “we got almost ten of you elected. Now fix the country!” The GOP have 200 that deny the 2020 election, are heavily financed and about 20 that are even crazier than 20. When will Kyle realize there are no parallels?
at least ten years, by the looks of it. bernie had the chance to turn that into "at most ten years", but he wouldn't criticize biden when he had a lay-up. pathetic. still, you love to see it
@@cl8804 This is why you can't even win in deep blue states. You treat real life as Twitter likes. You have a terminally online mentality. The things you paddle aren't as popular as you think.
I'm in huge debt because I have Chron's. Not my fault, don't want it, entirely random. Republicans think I deserve to die for it though it seems. That or live impoverished for the rest of my life.
I don’t know much about her legislative actions, but I do agree for whatever reason it seems she might be more democrat establishment than I thought. However, I’ll do more research about her work after watching this.
I think Chomsky said that not only the vote wouldn't pass but it would generate bad data. Knowing that it would get vetoed, a lot of people would vote for it and be able to later say they supported it.
AOC is so cringe. She is straight up a Pelosi Dem now who occasionally says some decent things. Incredibly performative and vacuous. All of the Squad care more about being celebs.
We get it, you hate the squad. Who's your perfect candidate that you support? Why not run yourself? I'm certain you'll get everything right in every instance.
She took the trappings of power without hesitation, sold out the people who supported her, and now gaslights the very people who wanted her there in the first place, it was a good attempt to shake up the system but this time did not work, much love to all 💙💜💛💚
@TheRuns2 I don't think she was being deceitful. I think she had good intentions at the start, but working on the inside made her conform and abandon radical change.
@@lastnamefirstname2390 I thought that at first, too. But she did some work behind the scenes before she got elected. She knew what she was getting into and told us what we wanted to hear.
After the first response from Kyle, it reminded me of something. How to beat a bully with WAY more power than you. I grew up being bullied. I was a small neurodivergent kid. I was bullied a lot. I learned the fastest way to beat a bully is to be willing to take more pain than they are. Bully hits you, kick him in the nuts. He hits you harder as a result, kick him again. He gives you a beating, come back later and kick him in the nuts as hard as you can when he's looking elsewhere. It's simple and it's brutal, but a bullied kid knows how to take pain. They grew up with it. A bully only knows how to give pain. It doesn't take long for a bully to find he has other people he would rather target than you. All the while promising you that hitting them will only cause you more pain. Promising if you tell they will cause you pain. Promising if you do as they say the pain will stop. The way to stop a bully is to stop listening to their lies and promises(their gaslighting), and unflinchingly take on more pain than they can take in return. The left is beat down. We've taken lie after lie after lie. Loss after loss after loss. Insult and injury after insult and injury. It is time to stop listening to the bully telling you he's your friend. He's not. He's the enemy. The GOP are your opponent, but the Corporate Dems are your enemy. They will tell you lie after lie about how to get ahead. All you have to do is forfeit every fight and take the blame THEY DESERVE for failing to oppose the Republicans. You're on the left. You have nothing to loose. Hit them where it hurts and spit in their face while you do it. Take the backlash, then do it again. They prick you, you sucker punch them. They beat you down you burn down their house(figuratively obviously). You represent THE PEOPLE. Corporate Stooges are the enemy of the people and THEY KNOW IT. Don't let them gaslight you into thinking they're your friend while they are killing everything you stand for
Well he makes sure to take every and all positions at the same time so if you listen long enough and uncritically enough he will say something you like.
The people voted for her to be a change not to spent years building a relationship and then maybe do something about it we can go back on how she started and see the difference on how she is now to people it looks like she’s bending the knee and that’s what we hate the most
Everybody does this because the way she came in was an unrealistic idealistic pipe dream. She realized that the way she came in was ineffective. It doesn't work and hasn't worked. The sad reality is that you have to play the game to get things done. You have to maneuver and compromise. You have to get your colleagues on your side to get anything done. The establishment isn't stupid. They have their own strategies that they commit to as well. Riling up the people isn't a great strategy. The people don't stick to anything and bounce from topic to topic about what they are outraged about at the moment.
@@supergold9390 most of the things she was going to help the people on, they dont forget because a lot of people who are sick are waiting on help still, among the other subjects people are waiting. the only reason people lose interest is because it feels like it will never be fixed. these subjects are ingrained into our lives, we dont truly forget about our income, our health, our education.
@@maxjohnson8802 Why? labor was behind FDR and America was unionized. Civil rights and voter rights have been gutted. Today unions are choked out by Amazon and Starbucks by using tried and true (illegal) Union busting - legislators and law enforcement don't seem to care - and the deconstruction continues as Civil rights and Voter rights acts have been gutted. Further, the union has been eviscerated by the "right to work" movement, which has even given the "right to work" to children 12 and up in some states. Who should be the base? Also, Roe vs Wade had a huge number of times it was eligible AND likely to be codified (27?) - instead of kicking the can down the road. be pragmatic, do what you can, and build on what you do every day
@@maxjohnson8802 Bipartisanship just doesnt work. Did u forget when Mitch McConnell said he would NOT do ANYTHING to help Obama? Look at the House NOW, already cutting SS & Medicare. I thought they represented average Americans. Oh you agree, we eventually YOU will be retired. They are NOT entitlements! I worked HARD for it.
@@plukingrevisitedonline6884 Didn't know that. Besides, I was kidding around. The title made it sound like AOC directed something directly at Kyle and he responded. I like both of them. Just giving them shit
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez didn’t sell it anybody. You sold her out if you were ever for her. It would be like the abolitionist movement giving up in the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s. Just deciding that slavery was the way. Progressives like Jimmy Dore couldn’t go Six months without bashing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the squad. Shame on you and ALL progressive they gave up.
It’s 2023 and Kyle still doesn’t understand electoral politics. This has been the shift since he started with Krystal. Maybe you two should run for Congress instead of crying about AOC selling out
It took a while, but it’s nice to finally hear Kyle finally start saying what we’ve been thinking about AOC. She gave up and decide not to fight as soon as she showed up in DC
@@iskywalking420 people want Kyle to express anger/hatred towards her that's why they didn't pay attention. Luckily, Kyle does not make it personal and only focuses on policy/political disagreement.
Being an effective politician comes with having to make compromises. Even Hillary Clinton fought for a national right to healthcare when she was a politician, which was revolutionary for her time and ultimately lost her a lot of support from Republicans and even some from Democrats. Revolutionary change is often good, but it’s often not good for a politician unless most voters are on board with it
I mean, if the idiots on the right got legitimate concessions for doing this and it ends up being a net benefit for them yeah we're still talking about force the vote. Time will tell whether this strategy works out or not but if it does a bunch of libs will have to eat crow if they're being honest.
I think the difference is that the concessions Macarthy made (cuts to social security etc) is very popular among their donors so these concessions will still have institutional support. The concessions AOC and justice dems want are directly against democratic corporate donors, the types of fights these two wings engage with (FTV) are two very different fights so we can’t assume FTV will work on our side
simply said... if they like you, you are not doing anything worthy of 'progressive' label . btw: when you write 'respond DIRECTLY" I expect that you talk TO HER, that she HEAR YOU.. here you are just talking to US, she (may) just ignore you and any arguments..
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@@afridgetoofar1818 and he said that idea came from the DSA too, iirc. Like it's just the concept of using political leverage when you have it. It's ... not that complicated.
Haven't watched it but will. But if Whoopi Goldberg had a politician shook there's no hope at all because Whoopi is the most uninformed stupid and silly political observer ever born. I don't think she even follows the news!
No other politician broke my heart them AOC, I followed her since Standing Rock… Her performance, since Force the vote (which seems does work fine) is bad, she’s a sellout.
Her first point is 100% true. She also hints in that point that you need larger numbers than you think. At a close to even congress, they needed nearly 20. She doesn't have 20. 10-12 isn't enough in the house unless the numbers are close enough that a plurality gets you nowhere. That's why the republican coalition evaporated so quickly. This strategy you're describing is very difficult to pull off successfully, and I think it's clear AOC understands politics in the House better than Kyle does.
He has not done anything for the working class. He ALWAYS caves to the Corporate Democrats. Just like he supported also the evil US Military Industrial Complex endless wars, including the over 70 days of bombing of Yugoslavia. He is a fraud and extremely weak.
Remember when you didn’t focus on the ball? Getting more justice Democrats elected? Like all the other progressives, including Kyle. You know that if Kyle were in office, he’d run into the same things that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does? They need to be talking about how Kyle sucked up to Nancy Pelosi, or whomever. Always easy to talk from the outside.
I mean this in good faith and not as a way to say she is fake but once you move from working class to the political class it’s going to change motivations even if the policy tends to be progressive. Like, she isn’t going to give up her career in politics and all of the luxuries that come with that privilege to fight tooth and nail for the people. She will fight but not at the cost of potentially losing friendships that keep her in the parade.
Progressives online are not working class, but pretend to speak for them. There is little Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad can accomplish when progressives gave up on them after they got a few justice Democrats elected. Look at Texas where Jessica Cisneros should have destroyed Cuellar. All the online lefties started begging on Cuellar, rather than doing a grassroots campaign to get Cisneros elected. Like Bernie, You can’t just destroy the other side. You have to keep on getting more votes for your side. Progressives beat this dead horse over and over again because most people click on negative hit pieces.
@@jocksharerock7318 I must not be a member of the working class for wanting to engage via an online comment section of my opinion on a given matter. I agree that more needs to be done when it comes down to actually organizing, and putting in the work but also part of the issue is most people who work and have bills to pay don’t have the time or resources to do any of that. The most I can do is phone banking after work or canvas in my local neighborhood which is already liberal. I think the reason people want to give members of the squad shit is because they’re not being effective at their job. You can’t tow the line and yet have campaigned on fighting the status quo.
@@tricksonafixed sorry, I wasn’t speaking of you. I was referring to the personalities making money by criticizing the things they see, yet not doing anything about it. The same things they accuse Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the squad of. I’m not referring to the actual working class when I say “online” I should’ve specified
@@tricksonafixed that said, when they’re accused of towing the line, I just disagree. There’s a time to fight, and it’s not with things like force to vote. They also don’t have a Senate. Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad got their build back better bill passed with Pelosi’s help, but killed in the Senate. I just think Kyle doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
It's not that I disagree with the point that being elected seems to necessarily reorganize someone's priorities; it always does. I remember hearing that as soon as a congressperson is elected, they must--MUST!--dedicate at least 18% of their time to calling constituents and soliciting money for reelection. In any district that is contested, that's the minimum needed to (statistically) match the funding your opponent will marshal. It literally means that once you're elected, you are beholden to money on the first minute of your first day. That sucks. What I try to think about to contextualize people like AOC is by thinking about what the landscape would look like if she wasn't there. Does anyone remember the crusty old white dude who she replaced? He was literally one of the worst, most corrupt members of the dem caucus. I'm not saying that if AOC lost her primary, he would come back. I am saying that you have to measure things on a spectrum, and as disappointing as many may find AOC, I don't know there's an argument to be made saying she isn't better than the member she replaced by orders of magnitude. By the way, I don't find it alarming to see a freshman congressperson who can rapidly synthesize the mechanics of congress. Learning to "play the game" is a skill I hope any idealist who we lefties get elected will hopefully learn. Because if they don't, they won't last or they won't wield any leverage. And perhaps many would argue AOC has no leverage. Meanwhile, she and the progressive lefts have pushed the democratic party writ large to embrace many positions which are now considered mainstream, that were fringe just two presidential cycles ago. Bernie, despite never being able to surmount the institutional resistance to him personally is the godfather of the current democratic party platform.
Getting promises on policy in exchange for voting for a Speaker is one thing but actually getting 218 votes to pass progressive legislation in the House and 51-60 votes in the Senate is another. I think that requires some 4 dimensional chess in order to pull that off. I think Kyle is incredibly naive when it comes to getting Congress to vote for popular policies. It really is an inside game and,we are all just looking in for the windows.
AOC better start fighting and making noise about the way the country isn't moving at all. We never got student debt relief and I doubt we will now. What can Joe offer now but a new batch of conveniently mishandled documents. What's the point in paying my taxed when Trump goes to dodge prison for the 7th time.
Kyle, I really respect you and the positions you take on so many topics. Here's what I find issue with on these points : Not really clear that the squad is afraid of the media, but it has to be said that the media has withering firepower. They were a lot of what tanked Bernie's campaigns, in 2016 and 2020. So wise not to underestimate them On your second point, Bernie absolutely did get as far as he did in part because he played the game just where he needed to. Voted for the crime bill in part to get the violence against women amendment passed. I'm sure many others compromises, too. No reason to shy away from all Democratic in fighting, but AOC's point about unity generally holds weight. It seems like not only the GOP is fractured out of this, but the freedom caucus itself is quite weakened
Also, play hard ball when there's a path to victory on a material policy. There's no benefit to making a stand just for making a stand. Keep your powder dry till there's an opening knowing that these are going to be few and far between as long as you have 6 or so members willing to fight.
Lots of reasons why I disagree 100% with this, and I'll get into it later. What I DO want to emphasize is that there's no reason to shoot your friends and allies for disagreeing 100% with you when you do it honourably and respectfully, and there seems to have been a lack of both with the FTV crowd. That might sound like the "tone police" or something, but it's actually not...movements fracture incredibly fast when the people in them don't speak to each other with respect and consideration.
What tanked Bernie's campaign was multiple candidates dropping out at once and supporting his opponent. That being said an incumbent Senator or Representative faces relatively little challenge compared to someone running for presidency. When Bernie compromised it was to get protection for women, but the squad's "compromising" has gotten them nothing tangible. AOC and the squad can say the'yre negotiating behind the scenes, but it doesn't matter if they can't say what they got for all their negotiating.
@@DreamStepper you're downplaying the media's role in 2020. What if in 2020 the media had taken the angle that it was unfair and ridiculous of these candidates to drop out and immediately support what was still a losing candidate? What if that was the narrative attached to the whole situation? Those candidates capitulated to the man and they were a bunch of pussies for doing so. You could hold Bernie up as the only one who is independent and focused on fighting for us. But they never did that because Bernie is bad for them. Well he's bad for their corporate owners. Simply having the knowledge that the media was not going to negatively report on the scenario made it that much easier for those candidates to drop out and then support Biden. Bernie would have lost in 2016 to Trump. Bernie would have defeated Trump in 2020. We had a chance to elect a Socialist Progressive, but more than that, an honest, ethical human being. Bummer. We may never have another chance like that, not anytime soon.
Kyle that’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying they can pull 4-5 moderate republicans and they can pass a bill. Somehow he confused that with 10 people vs United of 100+ reps
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Has AOC ever heard this quote?? "I welcome their hatred"- FDR
One quote from an entirely different congress made 90 years ago. Are you serious?
'welcome their hatred' was in the context of class war and hardly means that any politician should now anticipate rotten tomatoes
Bernie gets nothing done! What has he passed in the last 30 years in office. He talks the talk but he gets no bills passed that benefit your average Joe!
Oh shut up - you think the US is leftist? Lmao
@@ricomajestic late last year, Sanders cosponsored the 'cutting Medicare prescription drug prices in half'. That is an example of his personal work in the Senate
Thought it was Justice Democrats not "Relationship Gains With Corporatists Democrats".
I disagree. The purpose of electing people is so that they can form strong lifelong relationships with other electeds. They must become friends.
@@jeremym1288disagree; friends with the devil only gets you burned
You know who did try what Kyle recommended? Ralph Nader did. Dennis Kucinich did. Cynthia McKinney did. Where are they, and what did we get beyond sound bites? Until we have 30 million people organized and reliably voting in the better people, we don’t have a chance, no matter the tactics.
@@ericpmoss Who are you trying to fool mate. The people you named never had the leverage or the numbers the squad did. Moreover Bernie did the exactly same thing and where is he? But since you know so well what did the strategy of getting along accomplished in 6 years?
@@jeremym1288 unfortunately AOC and the Squad sided with MTG, Matt Gaetz, Chip
Roy and withholding aid to Ukraine 🙄🤦♂️ yeah “take a step back” on that one AOC
Getting policies done to help the people >>>>>>> your reputation within the party
Her reputation with the people is what should matter. Too bad she forgot that.
she is a member of congress
meaning she has one vote
getting policies done requires a majority
@@0MVR_0 at what point does that become pointless though? You have to fight back. Take hard stands. Make hard votes to show you mean business. If everyone knows you'll fold the second there's pushback, they're never going to take you seriously.
How would the policies be passed if no one in your party and especially the other party doesn’t agree with you?
@@myllamaMan The point would be to force the already popular policies to become the majority position in Congress by using pressure from voters. You may need money and position but the left is inherently at a disadvantage with that already and any gains to reduce that disadvantage wouldn't be enough to get policies passed anyways. While the left has advantage with voter which can be leaned into and that won't go away easily with money or Washington politics. At least that's the arugment.
Seems silly to think people advocating for this policy didn't consider needing majority votes. Everyone serious about this knows that but still disagrees with how to get there.
There is definitely things going on behind the scenes in our political environment. A.O.C. was like Porter in that she was unafraid to grill anyone. She just needs to breathe and take a moment for reassessment. Just remember that we all are somewhat in our own Plato's cave as far as information that doesn't exist to the individual from their perspective it really doesn't exist. How complex some of these things are is a headache. Best of luck to us all.
Bottom line for me is, I don't think AOC is disingenuous, she's human and can't take all the heat. I'm sympathetic. I can only imagine how hard it is. But she was elected to help the people and she needs to fight way harder. They all do; Presley, Omar, Bowman, Jayapal, Bush, Tlaib, Khanna, Porter... it's not only on AOC.
Kathy D
Your post is one of the more thoughtful ones I’ve seen today. The pressures of not only having the machine against them, Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad,, which includes both major parties, establishment, Tucker, Carlson, Glenn Greenwald, Jimmy, Dore, Matt, Taibbi, and every conservative Outlet there is. All the psychos in the GOP have the entire GOP establishment behind them, but the money and the voters as well. Kyle is so ignorant as to not understand what less than 10 people in the Democratic Party are up against.
That’s why Kyle doesn’t run for office. Or maybe he just won’t even get elected. I’m not sure. It’s so much easier from the outside to talk about “how to get things done” when you’re not involved on the inside.
Factions within the GOP may hate each other, but when it comes to what's best for their donors, they'll work together, so the in-fighting doesn't really mean anything
At this point she's a careerist. She's not going to ruffle any feathers than can ruin that.
100%.
You should have never resigned from justice democrats. You gave up power to easily.
What about the argument that most of the things the Republican defectors argued for were things the majority would be fighting for regardless. I'd like to see a conversation about force the vote between Kyle and a Sam Seder, they typically argue different sides of this debate.
People tend to forget FTV wasn’t about forcing M4A but about knowing who would vote against it so they could be primaried latter on.
This is assuming they could kick them out even if they voted against M4A.
This would at best have taken years and at worst done nothing but hurt the party.
And I say that coming from the far left (to the left of Bernie).
People tend to aggressively mock the FTV folks for saying such absolute nonsense, as it's incorrect to believe this.
For one, it would have been 100% safe for opposition in the house to vote for it tactically, as it was not going to pass the senate.
For another, we absolutely know who every single one of the no votes are currently, we don't need a vote for that, it's stupidly simple.
For a 3rd, a lot of people would have been able to avoid a hard vote on that particularly in the senate.
For a 4th, they likely couldn't have held against pressure for this because there weren't enough staunch progressives in the house to actually hold out in all probability.
The issue with the concept overall is it's a strategy suggestion with some real downsides, and no visible upsides anywhere.
@@Yakri Exactly. I do not understand what the upside for FtV on Medicare for All could have possibly been. What we KNOW is that the vote would fail, and the narrative for the next two years would be "circular firing squad" and "dems find out just unpopular their ideas really are" and "the coastal elites have no idea what people actually want them to do." I think this would have been deleterious to an idea that has largely been gaining in popularity since at least 2016 across the country.
AOC is all show. She’s really good at getting under the skin of far right conservatives but that’s about it. She’s really just a celebrity.
AOC did have a rabid base until she started folding legit! i loved AOC she represented me FINALLY no one else was coming out and saying the things i believed but now shes in the system playing the game and shes not representing us anymore is how i'm viewing it. I don't see many but maybe Omar consistently being brave enough to still say what we believe in popular and unpopular times.
edit: also i live in Steuben county 15 minutes away from where the NYS map was redrawn lets be clear that map was gerrymandered and it was SO BAD the NY supreme court had to let a rural conservative judge in a very safe trump district far away from all of the democratic strongholds by more than 2 hours (5.5 hours from NYC!) redraw the map. i do genuinely feel like the map is more fair now they gave Ithaca a different district from ours meaning the only real democratic leading community was finally properly represented and they also gave us most of southern buffalo in exchange which is rural and mostly red. although she is right NY is the reason they lost the majority (especially in southern swing districts more near her home after all of the map drama in general) the reality is the new map is still a major improvement for all New Yorkers and our democracy in general. i do hope CA is addressed as well as the MANY red states in the same boat.
Laughs in Jimmy Dore
You should have stayed as a founder of justice democrats.
Who would have guessed the finger wag was so incredibly powerful from momma bear.
21:50 As to this point, here is my fear: I fear that all of us on the outside looking in, we have an idea as to how politics works, as to how a true progressive needs to fight. But, hear me out: What if that fight on the inside is way, WAY harder than we thought? What if, with all the progressive optimism that people like AOC had when they were first elected, when they said they will go in and fight, they went in looking to fight a juggernaut of a system, but it turned out to be a colossus 10 times bigger and tougher than they even imagined from the outside? That the big money interests in DC is just THAT powerful, that they really do stop all hopes of a fight against them? And, even worse, once someone like AOC gets in there and realizes how big of a fight it is, she is even prevented from openly admitting the reality of how it really is in DC?? I'm not talking "House of Cards They Will Push Your Ass Off Into an Oncoming Train" type of evilness if you dont play ball, but it might be something close to that.
I really hope that I'm not even close to the mark. But is there a possibility that is close to reality? Maybe. I've never been a politician so I really don't know.
I don't even think this is a controversial point of view. President after president has described exactly this dynamic after they are out of office. I believe this is spot on.
@@joelsommers Yeah, though one would figure that if that was indeed the case, why doesn't any politician say it strait up WHILE they are in office? They always skirt the issue like "Oh, we are doing everything we can for the American people, blah blah blah" but they aren't specific as to why certain things they say they are going to do isn't getting done.
We all know that politics is complicated, and that things can't change overnight.
But hell... when it comes down to it, its all about the MONEY. Its all about greedy corporations and billionaires keeping nearly every politician in their pockets, pulling their strings. We all know it, but nothing ever gets done to stop it, in fact its simply getting worse by the year.
It's called "picking your battles." If you make every molehill the mountain you'll die on you won't even get crumbs. You'll be a 1-term footnote, b/c longevity in Congress matters for getting things accomplished. And don't even get me started on "fightin' the power" when the Right is in the middle of a coup. Constant in-fighting btw the Left and Right is how the Weimar gov't fell.
tell me what battles the squad fought.
@@waltlock8805 It was the activist left pushing for more money and policies focused on climate change that got so much in the BBB bill dedicated to climate solutions. Additionally, student debt mitigation and forgiveness--this is something Biden actively opposed. Also, pardons for non-violent cannabis incarcerants. Not every fight is manifest within an omnibus bill (though in this last term, many were).
If Susan B. Anthony fought like "The Squad," women would still be waiting for the right to vote.
Actually, we never did manage to pass the ERA. So...
They just have to admit they don't have any backbone.
And... AOC is finally hooked on the "tranquilizing drug of gradualism".
Jimmy is right on AOC.
'neuter the movement on the ground'
not only a bad analogy
yet AoC fully supports the ground movement
of unionization, referendums, and strikes
Kyle says he's a boomer. 🤣🤣 Kyle you're a good 15 years younger than me and I'M not even a boomer. Stop it.
I thought that was funny too.
Everyone in the US is a boomer. Htf else do you think capitalism has gone unchallenged this long?
"What's that, leadership? You are unhappy that I did what my constituents and the voters want? Can I get you to say that on camera and on the record? Ohh, you changed you mind? You're sorry? That's great. Thanks for figuring out right and wrong. Any time you forget, I will let the voters know it is time to remind you. Oh, and the next time you try this, I am posting a video showing all of your contributions from major corporations. Have a good day!".
Kyle turning into the joker from Batman. 0:05
They're not afraid, they know exactly what they're doing.
I really hope she watches this 🙏 thanks Kyle
It wouldn't matter if she did. She won't budge.
She doesn't listen to the plebs. She got her foot in the door, and now listens to the Party and Met Gala crowd.
A major difference between Repubs fighting their own party is that they, for the most part, get a lot of benefit out the of government doing nothing. Where as progressives want government to do things.
Exactly.
@@masterchief9291 Thanks
She's speaking as an individual politician worried about the public reaction. You can work respectfully with people even people you do not respect without compromising your principles. Bernie shows how. Wouldn't it be great if we had 15 representatives voting their conscience and fighting for real solutions?
This is why term limits needs to be pushed. If some of the members of the Progressive wing knew they only had a limited amount of time to push their individual agenda rather than a potential lifetime, they'd ruffle all the feathers and burn all the bridges to get it done
Kyle and Cenk should never have left JD… they should have just made a board of directors with more diversity and no ceo type leader… so frustrating to see the current direction
Yeah, that's a 24/7 type of job. There's crooks everywhere trying to take over any group like that.
It'd be fucking sweet if you could get an interview with her. I'd like to see the direct back and forth.
She's all talk.
Kyle’s “strategy” very unrealistic, exspected way too much of AOC
Then we have to admit it’s over the left won’t get anything done it’s all a show
Decreasing the military budget is stupid? Wtf Kyle?
If corporate media and corporate politicians are happy with you then you're not doing it right
Good thing nobody stood with Spartacus. Oh wait....
Thanks. Please point out the monologues she gave about the urgency of now and her willingness to become a one-term congressperson and do exactly what you're asking her to do now. Don't be afraid to be mean. Or just don't be mean but be firm. You're describing exactly what she said she planned on doing when she first started her first term. She said I'm not here to make friends. I think she said that right after she occupied pelosi's office with a few of her friends. That's back when she wasn't flipping the bird to the grassroots. She's not going to be your friend anyway, see you might as well be firm and shame her a little bit. Bernie refused to let you interview him and you were polite to him.
Kyle keeps saying "that's possible" when he means "that's probable if not most definite".
AOC has & is doing a great job. You have to pick your battles and do what works for you. It's easy for people who haven't stood for office and actually been elected to just think you can do this that and the other etc and it'll all magically work out perfectly, reality is somewhat different.
Kyle has the ideas & passion, but he needs to stand for election himself, you can't just expect others to do everything the way you think is best.
This comment section shows why Bernie lost-you’re all living in a fantasy world
There was nothing to gain from force the vote. No bills that they could have fought to be put to a vote would have passed and it would’ve further divided them more than the leadership not liking them. This isn’t about being popular or making friends in congress it’s about actually being able to construct meaningful legislation even with conservative dems.
Has anything important in the last two years happened that we can talk about besides FTV? Agree with AOC or not, can we fucking move in from this? Or are we just going to complain indefinitely about this issue and burn bridges with 1 of a dozen allies we have in congress?
Those "allies" have shown consistently that they aren't allies. They caved to the democratic establishment. I jumped ship when they didn't vote with the rail workers. How can you claim to be progressive and completely turn your back to the workers when they needed you most? Workers who donated their hard earned time and money to their campaign. These progressives are all talk.
@@Trackstar064life I’m not convinced…
Kyle, it's hard to take you seriously when you start your segment saying you're a boomer
No wonder the Democrats symbol is a mule
It's the only other animal that stands there when you beat it
Ever since I heard her refer to Pelosi as mama bear, I have had almost 0 faith in AOC being anything but a younger generic Democrat. I don't care in the slightest what she believes if she won't fight for it
AOC, USE YOUR POWER! And if you are on the right side of history, USE IT EVEN MORE!
i agree with the sentiment here but truly for Gaetz it was just disruptive to be disruptive. a lot of house republicans have no real policy agenda so its not really comparable.
Yeah she was good and fighting like for the first 3 years, and now what, we’ll I do not give $$$ to her campaign anymore, I moved to the best new thing KATIE PORTER is my vote of choice, never gets tired of watching her confront oligarchs or corrupt CEOs
She isn’t flashy woke but actually fights for bread and butter issues. She wasn’t afraid of not voting for Pelosi in 2021 nor did she shirk away from confronting CEOs which even caused Maxcine Waters to remove her from the committee.
I don’t buy AOC’s bs. Just admit that you ran for reelection to maintain a cushy job in Congress with good healthcare and are afraid to grind hard as a bartender again.
Kyle, I love you. But you are COMPLETELY WRONG on this one. Sam Seder makes the perfect argument against you on this and I agree with him and AOC.
We need to be a 4 party system.
Kyle when you respond to her first point about creating distinctions I think you may be missing something. You countered by highlighting the individual personal rifts that may develop, but the factions would be dis functional too. Wether the freedom caucus, or the squad, it would play in a similar way. By taking that step anyone associated with those groups have to live with the outcomes.
When will Kyle say, "Jimmy was right". so the left can reunite and grow?
Kyle is arguing the obvious and is being kind to AOC by not saying that she's making false arguments to justify her actions.
She’s basically saying she wanted to play patty-cakes with Pelosi. 🤦♂️
She’s playing “the long game”. AOC will still be around after Nancy has retired. She might as well be singing “Time is on my side” by The Rolling Stones to Mz.Pelosi.
Ralph Nader; 2024.
The squad are sellouts.
So AOC isn't far left enough for Kyle? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I want a vote on Kyles hair to dye it back. Force The Vote.
Force the hair!✊🏼
No way, Kyle's hair looks way better this way.
he wanted to look sexy for Krystal lol
@@jimtroeltsch5998 Personally, I’m agnostic on the hair.
@@rini6 lol I probably like the fact he's out here, changing hair colours, not looking back, than the actual colour itself.
Politicians weren't put there to make friends, they were elected to work for THE PEOPLE!!!
oh well, as if you, me or Kyle would give up the sweet life of a congress person. It's easy to claim when you want to get there, but once you have all the nice things, it requires a crazy amount of courage to throw it away for principles. Especially, if you can lie to yourself by claiming that it's not the right time right now and you will do a lot for people later. Good luck finding people like this without picking a crazy person. Kyle is still in an abusive relationship with Joe Rogan, who doesn't call him anymore because he only speaks to conservatives now so Kyle should know how hard it is to "grow a pair".
@@vanivari359 Mate your words mean just one thing she's a sellout point blank. It doesn't mind if you sell yourself higher to corporate institutions or for a paycheck you're a sellout either way in the case of AOC she's cheap.
you realize you need to get along with other members of congress to get anything done right?
@@somerealnews6312 Thank you so much for being a voice of sanity in this comment section.
@@somerealnews6312 when's the last time they REALLY got SOMETHING done?!? Being friends or getting along w each other would be nice if they actually ever wanted to do something. They're all just status quo corporate politicians who are there to enrich themselves, their friends and family.
Stop being afraid to do something. I’m feeling like there’s no one out there to fight. Thanks for the talking about this
I want to see the grass roots take on the Democratic leadership. No progressives in Washington are willing to do it but if we start to target and taken them out again then I think everyone on the left might wake up finally.
She keeps talking "Lauren Bobert barely won and almost lost" over and over but what I hear is "she's still in office and got what she wanted".
A win by 1 vote and a win by 10 million votes still count the same.
Difference is those guys on the right don't care what their colleagues think about them. They might not be there to actually help their constituents, but neither are they there to make friends. Use your power and FIGHT for good policies and eventually you will EARN your colleagues respect if nothing else.
It's very hard to change a system by yourself. Unfortunately usually the system changes the person. I hear you though! I wish it was like that.
Could you name a time in the last half a century when what you are saying worked?
@@mikesdead365 Bernie
Jay Gormley
There are no consequences to the GOP doing anything awful, as long as they get Trump and huge financial support. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad don’t have that luxury. Tucker, Greenwald, Jimmy Dore and all the horseshoe left and right $HiT on them. Too many progressives also jump in there when AOC and the squad don’t accomplish enough for them.
People on the right are on average lower in agreeableness so yeah they tend not to care as much what people think about them and are more likely to rock the boat.
Immediately clicked this video cuz I thought AOC said something abt kyle
Same. It would’ve been gloves off there for a sec
Clickbait gotta clickbait
@@ottz2506 Messi messi messi gotta messi
@@mattmcgourty7971 en cara Messi messi messi
Kyle likes to use clickbait titles.
She is petrified of the media blitz she would get, and because of that she's lost the plot. she is first and foremost concerned about herself😔😞😞 and the really scary part is: Hillary and Nancy were suppose to be progressive warriors like 50 yrs ago and we all now how that story ended.
Here’s the thing, she does have a legitimate concern the rabid right wingers stoke hate for her that turns into threats and the Corporate Dems will spend untold amounts of money to unseat her. It’s a tough position. FDR had something she doesn’t have and that’s wealth to fund his security detail and his campaigns.
People like AOC need to understand that the dirtbags at fox news are going to attack and smear them, no matter what they do. They're not above just lying and making sh*t up.
She is rightly terrified because majority of Dem voters support the mainstream media. The right can buck the media all day long because 98% of their voters HATE the media. Until Dem voters change, resistance can't work within the party.
Kyrsten, too.
But that's how they get you. I bet once AOC got in and got comfortable with her new job, and new salary, the DNC let her know she'd better start playing ball because that bartending job was still waiting for her. Unfortunately, that's kind of why it becomes hard to ask regular people to work in the system. Once they become a part of it, they become dependent on it .
No, Hillary was a conservative 50 yrs ago, she campaigned for Goldwater, the Republican candidate. She was a Republican lol
The Squad should spend time on channels like this giving interviews. They’d get more people behind them than they’d ever get from the MSM
Their job isn't to fight the establishment. Their job is to trick left-leaning voters into giving "progressives" the voters' resources (votes, donations, champaign efforts) before handing all that over to the establishment democrats, making it all useless.
At the very least to point out the myriad of reasons why they are wrong, and will ultimately only deliver everything to republicans without solidarity.
Meh I think the squad is over now. They're just standard dems now. Disappointing
Good PR will still not change their weak tactics and shitty politics.
Nancy Mesek
Kyle, Cenk Uygur, David Doel, Majority Report and online progressives are the problem. They campaigned to help get Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad elected, then virtually gave up. They basically said “we got almost ten of you elected. Now fix the country!”
The GOP have 200 that deny the 2020 election, are heavily financed and about 20 that are even crazier than 20. When will Kyle realize there are no parallels?
How much longer do we need employer healthcare, medical bankruptcy, and preventable death? It sure would be nice to not have those anymore.
at least ten years, by the looks of it. bernie had the chance to turn that into "at most ten years", but he wouldn't criticize biden when he had a lay-up. pathetic. still, you love to see it
@@cl8804 This is why you can't even win in deep blue states. You treat real life as Twitter likes. You have a terminally online mentality. The things you paddle aren't as popular as you think.
@@hochmeisterr ye you're right who would want free time, healthcare and income? commies, that's who
I'm in huge debt because I have Chron's. Not my fault, don't want it, entirely random. Republicans think I deserve to die for it though it seems. That or live impoverished for the rest of my life.
Well, until they figure out how to make the alternative profitable, probably forever.
She's an influencer more than she is a progressive fighter
I don’t know much about her legislative actions, but I do agree for whatever reason it seems she might be more democrat establishment than I thought. However, I’ll do more research about her work after watching this.
I think Chomsky said that not only the vote wouldn't pass but it would generate bad data. Knowing that it would get vetoed, a lot of people would vote for it and be able to later say they supported it.
all progressives do is lose national elections.
AOC is so cringe. She is straight up a Pelosi Dem now who occasionally says some decent things. Incredibly performative and vacuous. All of the Squad care more about being celebs.
We get it, you hate the squad. Who's your perfect candidate that you support? Why not run yourself? I'm certain you'll get everything right in every instance.
She took the trappings of power without hesitation, sold out the people who supported her, and now gaslights the very people who wanted her there in the first place, it was a good attempt to shake up the system but this time did not work, much love to all 💙💜💛💚
I had the highest of hopes for her at the start of her career
Same. I'm done with her now.
She originally fooled me, too. She fooled so many of us. How naive I feel I was.
@TheRuns2 I don't think she was being deceitful. I think she had good intentions at the start, but working on the inside made her conform and abandon radical change.
@@lastnamefirstname2390 I thought that at first, too. But she did some work behind the scenes before she got elected. She knew what she was getting into and told us what we wanted to hear.
@@lastnamefirstname2390 Bingo. Makes it hurt even more.
After the first response from Kyle, it reminded me of something. How to beat a bully with WAY more power than you.
I grew up being bullied. I was a small neurodivergent kid. I was bullied a lot.
I learned the fastest way to beat a bully is to be willing to take more pain than they are. Bully hits you, kick him in the nuts. He hits you harder as a result, kick him again. He gives you a beating, come back later and kick him in the nuts as hard as you can when he's looking elsewhere.
It's simple and it's brutal, but a bullied kid knows how to take pain. They grew up with it.
A bully only knows how to give pain. It doesn't take long for a bully to find he has other people he would rather target than you. All the while promising you that hitting them will only cause you more pain. Promising if you tell they will cause you pain. Promising if you do as they say the pain will stop.
The way to stop a bully is to stop listening to their lies and promises(their gaslighting), and unflinchingly take on more pain than they can take in return.
The left is beat down. We've taken lie after lie after lie. Loss after loss after loss. Insult and injury after insult and injury. It is time to stop listening to the bully telling you he's your friend. He's not. He's the enemy. The GOP are your opponent, but the Corporate Dems are your enemy. They will tell you lie after lie about how to get ahead. All you have to do is forfeit every fight and take the blame THEY DESERVE for failing to oppose the Republicans. You're on the left. You have nothing to loose. Hit them where it hurts and spit in their face while you do it. Take the backlash, then do it again. They prick you, you sucker punch them. They beat you down you burn down their house(figuratively obviously). You represent THE PEOPLE. Corporate Stooges are the enemy of the people and THEY KNOW IT. Don't let them gaslight you into thinking they're your friend while they are killing everything you stand for
Really good work Kyle. This type of analysis is where you shine.
ye there aren't many areas, that's for sure
No-HES dumb and naive. Until he actually runs for office, he’s got nothing
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Yet here you are. Hmm.
@@i-love-comountains3850 ye i find him entertaining. i can see how you would fail to understand that him being dumb isn't mutually exclusive, tbhngl
Well he makes sure to take every and all positions at the same time so if you listen long enough and uncritically enough he will say something you like.
The people voted for her to be a change not to spent years building a relationship and then maybe do something about it we can go back on how she started and see the difference on how she is now to people it looks like she’s bending the knee and that’s what we hate the most
Jimmy told us.
You’re so naive
Everybody does this because the way she came in was an unrealistic idealistic pipe dream. She realized that the way she came in was ineffective. It doesn't work and hasn't worked. The sad reality is that you have to play the game to get things done. You have to maneuver and compromise. You have to get your colleagues on your side to get anything done. The establishment isn't stupid. They have their own strategies that they commit to as well. Riling up the people isn't a great strategy. The people don't stick to anything and bounce from topic to topic about what they are outraged about at the moment.
her reputation with her support goes down with this so shes not even making a good point there
@@supergold9390 most of the things she was going to help the people on, they dont forget because a lot of people who are sick are waiting on help still, among the other subjects people are waiting. the only reason people lose interest is because it feels like it will never be fixed.
these subjects are ingrained into our lives, we dont truly forget about our income, our health, our education.
This is why we need Katey Porter in the senate
Katie Porter strikes me as being tough on corporations for show but is nothing more than an establishment hack herself.
Plus Katie porter is too woke
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@@A_r78 what is "too woke" ??
@@richmartin1427 ??
Well said, Kyle! U embarrass them to the ppl. Look at FDR speeches when he mocked the Congress. U have to pick n choose your battles.
He did it 90 years ago. Has it worked once in the ensuing 90 years?
@@mikesdead365 what a terrible argument
@@maxjohnson8802 its not a bad argument. Plus FDR was the president, AOC is one fuckin congresswoman
@@maxjohnson8802 Why? labor was behind FDR and America was unionized.
Civil rights and voter rights have been gutted.
Today unions are choked out by Amazon and Starbucks by using tried and true (illegal) Union busting - legislators and law enforcement don't seem to care - and the deconstruction continues as Civil rights and Voter rights acts have been gutted.
Further, the union has been eviscerated by the "right to work" movement, which has even given the "right to work" to children 12 and up in some states.
Who should be the base?
Also, Roe vs Wade had a huge number of times it was eligible AND likely to be codified (27?) - instead of kicking the can down the road. be pragmatic, do what you can, and build on what you do every day
@@maxjohnson8802 Bipartisanship just doesnt work. Did u forget when Mitch McConnell said he would NOT do ANYTHING to help Obama? Look at the House NOW, already cutting SS & Medicare. I thought they represented average Americans. Oh you agree, we eventually YOU will be retired. They are NOT entitlements! I worked HARD for it.
So basically, “I’m spineless” is all I got from this.
"Kyle RESPONDS To AOC Directly"
AOC: "Who?"
They used to be friends he's the reason she's even in congress lol
The founder of the organization that helped her get elected in the first place.
@@plukingrevisitedonline6884 Didn't know that. Besides, I was kidding around. The title made it sound like AOC directed something directly at Kyle and he responded. I like both of them. Just giving them shit
She got her start here. I believe her first large interview was on jimmy dore, then she did this channel and TYT.
he’s literally the reasons she’s in congress
But Kyle what about the $75k speaking fees ?!!
It’s still cheaper than what Barack Obama, and ‘billy Bill Clinton are commanding on the speaking circuit ($75 G’s is a bargain)
she sold out bro. there is no life in the democratic party
The political machine only eats
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez didn’t sell it anybody. You sold her out if you were ever for her. It would be like the abolitionist movement giving up in the 1830s, 1840s, and 1850s. Just deciding that slavery was the way. Progressives like Jimmy Dore couldn’t go Six months without bashing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the squad. Shame on you and ALL progressive they gave up.
@@jocksharerock7318 THROW BACK
It’s 2023 and Kyle still doesn’t understand electoral politics. This has been the shift since he started with Krystal. Maybe you two should run for Congress instead of crying about AOC selling out
Good idea invite her onto your show and get people fired up
Yeah, I'm sure she'll be right over to talk. 🤣😂
AOC would never come on a progressive show. She is useless.
It took a while, but it’s nice to finally hear Kyle finally start saying what we’ve been thinking about AOC. She gave up and decide not to fight as soon as she showed up in DC
It did not take a while. Kyle has been saying the same thing for years. He's gone after AOC for years. You simply haven't been paying attention...
Kyle has literally been saying this forever.
@@iskywalking420 people want Kyle to express anger/hatred towards her that's why they didn't pay attention. Luckily, Kyle does not make it personal and only focuses on policy/political disagreement.
Being an effective politician comes with having to make compromises. Even Hillary Clinton fought for a national right to healthcare when she was a politician, which was revolutionary for her time and ultimately lost her a lot of support from Republicans and even some from Democrats. Revolutionary change is often good, but it’s often not good for a politician unless most voters are on board with it
Kyle, you act like she doesn't know how to do this already. It's dishonest and it's time to call her out for what she is.
We're still talking about force the vote😂😂
Lol 🎯
Unreal. So fucking stupid.
I mean, if the idiots on the right got legitimate concessions for doing this and it ends up being a net benefit for them yeah we're still talking about force the vote. Time will tell whether this strategy works out or not but if it does a bunch of libs will have to eat crow if they're being honest.
It'll be 2030 and they'll still talk about this shit
...and so we should.
I think the difference is that the concessions Macarthy made (cuts to social security etc) is very popular among their donors so these concessions will still have institutional support. The concessions AOC and justice dems want are directly against democratic corporate donors, the types of fights these two wings engage with (FTV) are two very different fights so we can’t assume FTV will work on our side
simply said... if they like you, you are not doing anything worthy of 'progressive' label .
btw: when you write 'respond DIRECTLY" I expect that you talk TO HER, that she HEAR YOU.. here you are just talking to US, she (may) just ignore you and any arguments..
I thought the same. Probably just Kyle's way of responding to all the Jimmy Dore trolls who are saying "why you don't talk about it DIRECTLY?"
she would never talk to someone like kyle considering hed make her feel like shit because shes a quitter
That’s what I say, “They’re scared!” Watched AOC on the View, and Whoopi had her shook.
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Jimmy Dore was literally 2 years ahead of you all with Force the Vote, and you know it.
They're not scared. They're full of it. We're just not accepting it.
@@afridgetoofar1818 and he said that idea came from the DSA too, iirc. Like it's just the concept of using political leverage when you have it. It's ... not that complicated.
Haven't watched it but will. But if Whoopi Goldberg had a politician shook there's no hope at all because Whoopi is the most uninformed stupid and silly political observer ever born. I don't think she even follows the news!
No other politician broke my heart them AOC, I followed her since Standing Rock…
Her performance, since Force the vote (which seems does work fine) is bad, she’s a sellout.
No. She hasn't got any courage. Easily bossed around by the Democratic party leadership
Her first point is 100% true.
She also hints in that point that you need larger numbers than you think. At a close to even congress, they needed nearly 20. She doesn't have 20. 10-12 isn't enough in the house unless the numbers are close enough that a plurality gets you nowhere. That's why the republican coalition evaporated so quickly. This strategy you're describing is very difficult to pull off successfully, and I think it's clear AOC understands politics in the House better than Kyle does.
Bernie isnt a "tea party" of the left. Bernie actually is extremely well liked by most senators.
He's respected for what he can get done and his popularity. He's not liked. There's a difference between liking someone and respecting them.
He has not done anything for the working class. He ALWAYS caves to the Corporate Democrats. Just like he supported also the evil US Military Industrial Complex endless wars, including the over 70 days of bombing of Yugoslavia.
He is a fraud and extremely weak.
@@bumblebeeyellowdragon please let's not twist pretzels
@@bumblebeeyellowdragon for the little respect they show him publicly
He liked because Bernie say what he’s gonna say but when it comes down to it, he will bend the knee and comply with the agenda.
Great analysis Kyle. I really like conversations on this topic.
Turns out AOC is a great politician. Too bad she's not such a great leader.
Remember When AOC set outside Pelosi office right when she first got elected? What do u think she would say to herself now?
Remember when you didn’t focus on the ball? Getting more justice Democrats elected? Like all the other progressives, including Kyle. You know that if Kyle were in office, he’d run into the same things that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does?
They need to be talking about how Kyle sucked up to Nancy Pelosi, or whomever. Always easy to talk from the outside.
AOC…Is…Playing…”The Long Game”
She is continuously a disappointment.
I mean this in good faith and not as a way to say she is fake but once you move from working class to the political class it’s going to change motivations even if the policy tends to be progressive.
Like, she isn’t going to give up her career in politics and all of the luxuries that come with that privilege to fight tooth and nail for the people. She will fight but not at the cost of potentially losing friendships that keep her in the parade.
Progressives online are not working class, but pretend to speak for them. There is little Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad can accomplish when progressives gave up on them after they got a few justice Democrats elected. Look at Texas where Jessica Cisneros should have destroyed Cuellar. All the online lefties started begging on Cuellar, rather than doing a grassroots campaign to get Cisneros elected. Like Bernie, You can’t just destroy the other side. You have to keep on getting more votes for your side. Progressives beat this dead horse over and over again because most people click on negative hit pieces.
@@jocksharerock7318 I must not be a member of the working class for wanting to engage via an online comment section of my opinion on a given matter. I agree that more needs to be done when it comes down to actually organizing, and putting in the work but also part of the issue is most people who work and have bills to pay don’t have the time or resources to do any of that. The most I can do is phone banking after work or canvas in my local neighborhood which is already liberal. I think the reason people want to give members of the squad shit is because they’re not being effective at their job. You can’t tow the line and yet have campaigned on fighting the status quo.
@@tricksonafixed sorry, I wasn’t speaking of you. I was referring to the personalities making money by criticizing the things they see, yet not doing anything about it. The same things they accuse Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on the squad of. I’m not referring to the actual working class when I say “online”
I should’ve specified
@@tricksonafixed that said, when they’re accused of towing the line, I just disagree. There’s a time to fight, and it’s not with things like force to vote.
They also don’t have a Senate. Alexandria, Ocasio-Cortez, and the squad got their build back better bill passed with Pelosi’s help, but killed in the Senate. I just think Kyle doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
It's not that I disagree with the point that being elected seems to necessarily reorganize someone's priorities; it always does. I remember hearing that as soon as a congressperson is elected, they must--MUST!--dedicate at least 18% of their time to calling constituents and soliciting money for reelection. In any district that is contested, that's the minimum needed to (statistically) match the funding your opponent will marshal. It literally means that once you're elected, you are beholden to money on the first minute of your first day. That sucks.
What I try to think about to contextualize people like AOC is by thinking about what the landscape would look like if she wasn't there. Does anyone remember the crusty old white dude who she replaced? He was literally one of the worst, most corrupt members of the dem caucus. I'm not saying that if AOC lost her primary, he would come back. I am saying that you have to measure things on a spectrum, and as disappointing as many may find AOC, I don't know there's an argument to be made saying she isn't better than the member she replaced by orders of magnitude.
By the way, I don't find it alarming to see a freshman congressperson who can rapidly synthesize the mechanics of congress. Learning to "play the game" is a skill I hope any idealist who we lefties get elected will hopefully learn. Because if they don't, they won't last or they won't wield any leverage. And perhaps many would argue AOC has no leverage. Meanwhile, she and the progressive lefts have pushed the democratic party writ large to embrace many positions which are now considered mainstream, that were fringe just two presidential cycles ago. Bernie, despite never being able to surmount the institutional resistance to him personally is the godfather of the current democratic party platform.
AOC should just start a reality tv career.
She’d probably be better at that than politics.
She already did. Politics is 90% reality tv drama at this point
Only Fans would be perfect 😍
@@Armando316 circular firing squad. Hating aoc is a new way for leftists to feel good about their lack of success
Comments like this is why conservatives screech, “THE LEFT IS EATING ITSELF”
Getting promises on policy in exchange for voting for a Speaker is one thing but actually getting 218 votes to pass progressive legislation in the House and 51-60 votes in the Senate is another. I think that requires some 4 dimensional chess in order to pull that off. I think Kyle is incredibly naive when it comes to getting Congress to vote for popular policies. It really is an inside game and,we are all just looking in for the windows.
AOC better start fighting and making noise about the way the country isn't moving at all. We never got student debt relief and I doubt we will now. What can Joe offer now but a new batch of conveniently mishandled documents. What's the point in paying my taxed when Trump goes to dodge prison for the 7th time.
Kyle, I really respect you and the positions you take on so many topics.
Here's what I find issue with on these points :
Not really clear that the squad is afraid of the media, but it has to be said that the media has withering firepower. They were a lot of what tanked Bernie's campaigns, in 2016 and 2020. So wise not to underestimate them
On your second point, Bernie absolutely did get as far as he did in part because he played the game just where he needed to. Voted for the crime bill in part to get the violence against women amendment passed. I'm sure many others compromises, too.
No reason to shy away from all Democratic in fighting, but AOC's point about unity generally holds weight. It seems like not only the GOP is fractured out of this, but the freedom caucus itself is quite weakened
Also, play hard ball when there's a path to victory on a material policy. There's no benefit to making a stand just for making a stand.
Keep your powder dry till there's an opening knowing that these are going to be few and far between as long as you have 6 or so members willing to fight.
Lots of reasons why I disagree 100% with this, and I'll get into it later. What I DO want to emphasize is that there's no reason to shoot your friends and allies for disagreeing 100% with you when you do it honourably and respectfully, and there seems to have been a lack of both with the FTV crowd. That might sound like the "tone police" or something, but it's actually not...movements fracture incredibly fast when the people in them don't speak to each other with respect and consideration.
The squad have failed to use their leverage and have gotten absolutely nothing in return.
What tanked Bernie's campaign was multiple candidates dropping out at once and supporting his opponent. That being said an incumbent Senator or Representative faces relatively little challenge compared to someone running for presidency. When Bernie compromised it was to get protection for women, but the squad's "compromising" has gotten them nothing tangible. AOC and the squad can say the'yre negotiating behind the scenes, but it doesn't matter if they can't say what they got for all their negotiating.
@@DreamStepper you're downplaying the media's role in 2020. What if in 2020 the media had taken the angle that it was unfair and ridiculous of these candidates to drop out and immediately support what was still a losing candidate? What if that was the narrative attached to the whole situation? Those candidates capitulated to the man and they were a bunch of pussies for doing so. You could hold Bernie up as the only one who is independent and focused on fighting for us. But they never did that because Bernie is bad for them. Well he's bad for their corporate owners. Simply having the knowledge that the media was not going to negatively report on the scenario made it that much easier for those candidates to drop out and then support Biden. Bernie would have lost in 2016 to Trump. Bernie would have defeated Trump in 2020. We had a chance to elect a Socialist Progressive, but more than that, an honest, ethical human being. Bummer. We may never have another chance like that, not anytime soon.
Kyle that’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying they can pull 4-5 moderate republicans and they can pass a bill. Somehow he confused that with 10 people vs United of 100+ reps
What are 4-5 Republicans gonna vote for that comes from the left flank of the Democratic Party?