Great demo and good to see you guys utilising this for the ever growing modelling market. Could you maybe do a shoot out with 2 identical cabs. One with a "normal" celestion speaker, and one with the x200 with the relevant celestion IR? Think that'd be really interesting as I'm on the fence to whether the x200 sounds natural enough in person, or whether to just get a normal speaker in a cab with a power amp. Cheers.
Thanks Ollie, I think that would be a really interesting video. We initially wanted to do a few videos around the X200 but just never got round to it. I think that is a great suggestion though, stay tuned ;)
It is my pleasure. To be honest I find it a bit bass heavy. When we started designing cabs for the X200 we kept thinning woods down to make sure the low end wasn't pronounced too much.... that's not a bad place to be in with 1x12s as usually you are trying to make the most of it. It means the cab can be lighter than normal. We are making a video comparing a few designs, it should be out in a few weeks all being well.
Their design is ported, we have a ported design too, although the speaker doesn't necessarily need to go in a ported cab, most people actually put it as a direct replacement in a more traditional guitar cab.
@@ZillaCabs Thats what I just did as i had t-75's in my cab and sounded muddy when using IR. Was debating on porting the cab but lots of math and science behind it and if I et it wrong it will be all messed up. Sounds good as is so I think I will leave it.
I’ve me a 212 of the FM-12s which sound good thru my ported Randall cabinet but unfortunately I run a Boss GX-100 thru a SD Power Stage 200 and the SD PS always clips when I crank it, so it’s only good for home practice. Meanwhile I run the pedal board with a Rocktron power amp that sounds meaner live.
That is right for sure. This was actually a modified version of a cab we already make, we designed a few cabs specifically around the X200 to tame the lows a little, one positive outcome of that is they are actually a bit smaller and lighter... effective tuning the cab itself using dimensions and materials rather than adding a filter. Great comment though.
@@andrekovacs7954 Although I tend to prefer closed back cabs as they give a bit more control, these speakers do work well in open back cabs. The speaker actually does benefit from certain aspects of open back.... we get this through porting on the baffle, which tunes the cab but as a result adds a nice open-ness to the sound
honestly how well it replicates guitar speakers is unimportant for modeling. in a live scenario amp modelers run direct to front of house. whats important is does the tone coming out of the venues PA sound exactly like the tone you dialed in with the x200 at home? is the x200 a paralell to a 3way PA speaker system at transferring the same tones? if the x200 cant replicate the tone coming out the venues PA then theres no point using it with modelers vs a traditional PA speaker at home or in practice.
It depends which way you look at things. Not everyone (actually most of the people coming to us for this speaker) don't go to front of house. A lot of people like something that when going to front of house can just move some air on stage and sound cool and some people like to just go to front of house. The sound coming out of studio monitors is going to sound different to the front of house any way so there is always a compromise. I don't believe there are any fixed rules when playing gear, it is about finding what works for you. I think the X200 definitely has its place.
@@ZillaCabs agreed everything has its place as the x200 would be for those who do want that feel but if not direct would one mic up the x200? I think a good portion of amp modeler users do run to front of house but you will be sourly dissapointed if the tone you dialed into your "FRFR" cab or speaker at home or practice doesnt translate to the PA which will be the tone the audience hears despite having the frfr cab for stage volume. if that be the case than someone running direct would find better use dialing in their tones with another PA loudspeaker at home for accuracy in translation to a venue. however the x200 could do a perfect job translating to your venues PA i havent owned them. would like to see a comparison
So this is a speaker cabinet designed with speakers that replicate a modeled version of the amp/cab combo someone copied so they can recreate the sound of an amp and cab they don't own without colour from the amp or cab they are using................... Why not just get the amp and cab you like? ;D
In all seriousness, the Kempers are really useful bits of kit and if you can get the whole setup right you can go from vintage Marshall combo to full Mesa stack with the flick of a switch... and as long as you get everything right (we are starting to find the power amp is a big part in this) you can get them sounding really convincing.
@@ZillaCabs But I like the unending ballache that are valve amps :D Back pain, re-valving, microphonics etc.. I mean, where's the fun in a consistently perfect representation of your fav sounds? :D
Use it with a valve power amp... compromise :) ..... actually you wait for the abuse to come in when people hear I have been using a Kemper with a Marshall power amp. It actually sounds a lot more life like than the power amp on the Kemper.
I bought two of those and modified two Zilla cabs with ports and all and hooked them up to my Helix thorugh a Hotone power amp. It sounded TERRIBLE, harsh and buzzy/fizzy using the same great Helix sounds that I used with awesome sound on my Yamaha DXR10 mkII speakers. They went back right away really fast, thank god for Thomanns 30 day return service!!
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Great demo and good to see you guys utilising this for the ever growing modelling market. Could you maybe do a shoot out with 2 identical cabs. One with a "normal" celestion speaker, and one with the x200 with the relevant celestion IR?
Think that'd be really interesting as I'm on the fence to whether the x200 sounds natural enough in person, or whether to just get a normal speaker in a cab with a power amp.
Cheers.
Thanks Ollie, I think that would be a really interesting video. We initially wanted to do a few videos around the X200 but just never got round to it. I think that is a great suggestion though, stay tuned ;)
@@ZillaCabs No worries! Thanks for the reply, I'll keep a look out! You might even push some people to make a purchase ;)
Hey Paul! This is really cool!!!
Glad you’re on RUclips showing what you love 😊
Thanks Livia!
Anyone think the Celestion F12-x200 would work good as speaker replacement in Fender Mustang GTX100 ?
Thanks for your video! You mentioned that you built the cabinet design that Celestion published for the F12-X200 - how'd that one sound in comparison?
It is my pleasure. To be honest I find it a bit bass heavy. When we started designing cabs for the X200 we kept thinning woods down to make sure the low end wasn't pronounced too much.... that's not a bad place to be in with 1x12s as usually you are trying to make the most of it. It means the cab can be lighter than normal. We are making a video comparing a few designs, it should be out in a few weeks all being well.
Zilla Cabs would you recommend putting this x200 in my 1x12 fatbaby? Or my 2x12 super fatboy? I’m using a Kemper.
This cab looks to be ported. Celestion on their cab designed for these recommends porting. Think its required?
Their design is ported, we have a ported design too, although the speaker doesn't necessarily need to go in a ported cab, most people actually put it as a direct replacement in a more traditional guitar cab.
@@ZillaCabs Thats what I just did as i had t-75's in my cab and sounded muddy when using IR. Was debating on porting the cab but lots of math and science behind it and if I et it wrong it will be all messed up. Sounds good as is so I think I will leave it.
I’ve me a 212 of the FM-12s which sound good thru my ported Randall cabinet but unfortunately I run a Boss GX-100 thru a SD Power Stage 200 and the SD PS always clips when I crank it, so it’s only good for home practice. Meanwhile I run the pedal board with a Rocktron power amp that sounds meaner live.
I use It with a normal cab but the sound is no good.. this cab need a specific cab?
Celestion has a recommended build for it. Some people try it in their spare combo or a cheap one they can find and love it..
Great video! The bottom end could be tamed using a low pass filter? Have you tried it in 2x12 format? Cheers
That is right for sure. This was actually a modified version of a cab we already make, we designed a few cabs specifically around the X200 to tame the lows a little, one positive outcome of that is they are actually a bit smaller and lighter... effective tuning the cab itself using dimensions and materials rather than adding a filter. Great comment though.
Oh and we have a video coming out of all these cabs soon so make sure you watch out for it.
@@ZillaCabsGreat! Have you tried an open back design? Your cabs are close back/open back reversible? Cheers
@@andrekovacs7954 Although I tend to prefer closed back cabs as they give a bit more control, these speakers do work well in open back cabs. The speaker actually does benefit from certain aspects of open back.... we get this through porting on the baffle, which tunes the cab but as a result adds a nice open-ness to the sound
Zilla Cabs Have you had the change to compare the F12-X200 with Jensen C12D and N12D full range speakers? Cheers
I was about to exchange the stock speaker of my vox vt100x modeling amp. Would you recommend this speaker?
I dropped one of these in a Line 6 Amplifi 150. Recommended it. see link. line6.com/support/topic/52715-speaker-swap-line-6-amplifi-150-update/
Can you tell what size ports these use for a 2x12 cab
It would totally depend on the size, shape and layout of 2x12 that you are making.
honestly how well it replicates guitar speakers is unimportant for modeling. in a live scenario amp modelers run direct to front of house. whats important is does the tone coming out of the venues PA sound exactly like the tone you dialed in with the x200 at home? is the x200 a paralell to a 3way PA speaker system at transferring the same tones? if the x200 cant replicate the tone coming out the venues PA then theres no point using it with modelers vs a traditional PA speaker at home or in practice.
It depends which way you look at things. Not everyone (actually most of the people coming to us for this speaker) don't go to front of house. A lot of people like something that when going to front of house can just move some air on stage and sound cool and some people like to just go to front of house. The sound coming out of studio monitors is going to sound different to the front of house any way so there is always a compromise. I don't believe there are any fixed rules when playing gear, it is about finding what works for you. I think the X200 definitely has its place.
@@ZillaCabs agreed everything has its place as the x200 would be for those who do want that feel but if not direct would one mic up the x200? I think a good portion of amp modeler users do run to front of house but you will be sourly dissapointed if the tone you dialed into your "FRFR" cab or speaker at home or practice doesnt translate to the PA which will be the tone the audience hears despite having the frfr cab for stage volume. if that be the case than someone running direct would find better use dialing in their tones with another PA loudspeaker at home for accuracy in translation to a venue. however the x200 could do a perfect job translating to your venues PA i havent owned them. would like to see a comparison
In a guitar playing scenario for the 99% that aren’t on a stage or grew up with AitR it absolutely matters. wtf… is this dude for real?
So this is a speaker cabinet designed with speakers that replicate a modeled version of the amp/cab combo someone copied so they can recreate the sound of an amp and cab they don't own without colour from the amp or cab they are using...................
Why not just get the amp and cab you like? ;D
Stop being awkward Pete! You have missed the point, the question should be "why not just get both"?
In all seriousness, the Kempers are really useful bits of kit and if you can get the whole setup right you can go from vintage Marshall combo to full Mesa stack with the flick of a switch... and as long as you get everything right (we are starting to find the power amp is a big part in this) you can get them sounding really convincing.
@@ZillaCabs But I like the unending ballache that are valve amps :D
Back pain, re-valving, microphonics etc.. I mean, where's the fun in a consistently perfect representation of your fav sounds? :D
Use it with a valve power amp... compromise :) ..... actually you wait for the abuse to come in when people hear I have been using a Kemper with a Marshall power amp. It actually sounds a lot more life like than the power amp on the Kemper.
RiffMonkey why not to have them all? Not 100% accurate but saves money and makes tone FOR DAYS
Thanks for talking the time
No problem at all it is my pleasure. We have a more in depth video coming up soon with other X200 cabs.
I bought two of those and modified two Zilla cabs with ports and all and hooked them up to my Helix thorugh a Hotone power amp.
It sounded TERRIBLE, harsh and buzzy/fizzy using the same great Helix sounds that I used with awesome sound on my Yamaha DXR10 mkII speakers.
They went back right away really fast, thank god for Thomanns 30 day return service!!
That might be your hotone power amp, dude...
You have to adjust for the new speakers bro
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Great Video !!!!!!!!
yeahhhh \m/
What amp are you using? The X200 are sounding really good with Kemper profiles.
You had nothing to say about it huh?
Sounds real good for Kemper being turned off😅😅😅😅