The ORIGINAL History of Batman | DC Comics
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The Batman of Earth-Two is an alternate version of the fictional superhero Batman, who appears in American comic books published by DC Comics. The character was introduced after DC Comics created Earth-Two, a parallel world that was retroactively established as the home of characters whose adventures had been published in the Golden Age of comic books. This provided justification within the fictional world of Batman stories for DC Comics publishing Batman comic books that disregarded the character's Golden Age stories, as Batman had been presented as a single ongoing incarnation of the character since his earliest stories were published.
Batman of Earth-Two first appeared in Justice League of America #82 and was created by Dennis O'Neil and Dick Dillin.
The character history of the Earth-Two Batman accordingly adopts all of the earliest stories featuring the character from the 1930s and 1940s, while the adventures of the then-mainstream Silver Age Batman (who lived on "Earth-One") begin later in time and with certain elements of his origin retold. Each were depicted as separate, though parallel, individuals living in their respective universes, with the "older" Earth-Two character eventually reaching his retirement and death.
A parallel to this character is introduced in Justice Society of America (vol. 2) Annual #1 (2008) entitled "Earth-2" where the Post Crisis Earth-2 is fully introduced. The most notable difference between Pre-Crisis Earth-Two Wayne and his newer Post-Crisis Earth-2 incarnation is that the Post-Crisis Earth-2 Joker learned the real identities of Robin and the Huntress after turning Gotham DA Harvey Simms into the new Two-Face (Harvey knowing Helena's identity already).
A new parallel to this character was introduced in the 2012 Earth-2 series who died in the first issue, protecting that world from Darkseid's forces, alongside that world's Superman and Wonder Woman. His father, Thomas Wayne, later took up the mantle to atone for earlier sins, including deceiving his son about his own death. Dick Grayson would also take up the mantle during Earth 2: Earth's End and Earth 2: Society. Helena would later don the mantle after Dick retired at the end of the Society series. 
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Respect to the OG 🦇
Respect
Always
Damn straight
Earth 2 joker would be awesome to see a video on but I’m not sure how much history they have on earth to Joe drive read a lot of the pre-crisis things I don’t remember him being around very much I know he’s in that justice society annual I have that issue but I didn’t really understand the continuity after infinite crisis like how was earth to back when there was still only one universe I didn’t understand it in the post crisis era
A video on History of the original Joker
This is such a great idea for a video. The older era of the DC Comics canon is generally completely overlooked, forgotten, ignored, or just not known about by pretty much everyone else. Thank you for making this!
Ive been a loyal batman comic buyer since the 90s....and it wasnt till recently i bought the Golden Age omnis. I had no idea of any of those stories from that era. Their great now that they have been restored and look new again
@@robd1329 theyre pretty cool, Jesus Christ the good lord loves you my friend
Jesus Christ the sovereign God cares about you my friends
I hope youre doing well
Now we enter the woke age of superheroes
The original heroes of old were never ignored by scripwriters as the video clearly showed many events from Golden Age were revamped by DC and ripped off by that house of "ideas" now in the house of mouse(stinking rats!!).
Kinda of homage cynical gringos would say.
Blatant plagiarism evryone else, mostly Brits would claim.
The Golden Age/Earth-2 Bruce Wayne’s life was an ironic one: It was his parents’ deaths that started his career as the Batman and it was his wife’s death that ended it.
He gave his life for Gotham.
Yes, a criminal started his career and a criminal(Bill Jensen) ended it when he burned him and Batman alive when he came to save the JSA in Adventure comics #462, not his wife's death.
I love how this Batman actually got an ending, something his mainstream counterpart would never get in a million years
(Mom I’m famous)
And it was from the very original and first version of him.
Yeah, it was a life that was fulfilled and came to a logical conclusion
Because they feel like Batman needs to be depressed and alone which it isn't the case he can be married and still fight crime and still have a team just not a gigantic one like most superheroes do.
I don't get it though how is our Batman now the main Batman when this was the first Batman?! How is our modern day Batman the real Batman? I thought rebirth combined it all of the characters?
@@darrendyson8347 Because he got replaced by Earth-One Batman in the early 1950s to work on a different way to make him mainstream, treating the first one as more of an inspiration to the real deal then Earth-One Batman got replaced due to how the Multiverse needed new ground to work as the previous was a lot to handle for new writers, making New-Earth Batman then it happened with New-Earth Batman getting replaced by Post-Flashpoint Batman.
While I am someone that is fine with the “endless crusade” of mainline comic continuity (though wish they also didn’t play the death card so often.) I can see this is a good respectable end for the Batman. He got to settle down with a wife and a kid that wasn’t traumatized but still continued to help fight as Commissioner. He went out on his own terms and got to do the most Batman thing you could think of by stopping a crime while dead.
And yeah I would like to see more comic content like this on the channel.
"Only legends live forever, not the men who make them."
That might be one of the deepest things I've ever heard. Comics really should do more of this, sticking with an idea and not just going back to the status quo. The change makes the characters more real and it helps the readers connect more and the characters grow and change with them.
Valiant is normally really good at this, characters age and continue on from their stories and live out their lives like men
A legend mr wayne a legend!
@@ItsButterBean1020Examples from Valiant Comics?
Honestly I love the ideas of mantles and the mask mattering less than the person who puts it on, but this is just such a respectful take. Also it's a take that's necessary to the modern Batman. DC takes the worst of both worlds with Batman making the mission and the cowl one in the same. His legend has become a shadow that just won't let any bat family member go. It's to the point where Gotham literally breaks down if the Batman isn't out on the streets every night (Bruce's replacements when he's dead or got his back broke don't even want to be batman, but the are literally forced to by the plot). What makes it even worse is how many original hero identities exist in the bat family now. In the golden age dick took over as Robin going solo and that was perfectly fine. In modern comics dick became Nightwing and his own premier hero, and yet STILL is told that Gotham NEEDS the Batman. When Bruce is out of commission Nightwing won't cut it. I get that Batman is a symbol and a legend and inspires hope, but at the same time that doesn't mean he has to exist in perpetuity. I'm fine if he does as in there's always someone who WANTS to take up the mantle, but the idea that there HAS to be a Batman is just deconstructive.
@@vullord666se llama codicia tanto del lector como de la empresa si tuvimos un final ¿por qué queremos más?
It blows my mind that most DC fans don't know that the original Batman has been dead since the 1970s and never came back.
1916-1979. RIP, original Bruce.
@@Matt_Likes_Comics *1915
@@Matt_Likes_Comics yeah man RIP to the OG
@@Ian-hj4ytNigga was only born 8 years ago. 😂
@@dagtheking5739 who?
I really miss Helena Wayne. I don't mind Helena Bertinelli, but I like the idea of Huntress being Batman and Catwoman's daughter instead, and I love how her costume looks like a perfect blend of Batman and Catwoman's costumes at the time. I know its hard to have Helena and Batman be around at the same time because of their backstories, but they could've simply rewritten her to be more like what Damian Wayne is nowadays.
Honestly I actually like how they do the original Batman, he died in a an actually realistic way even when dead he did good deeds. One of my favorite versions of Batman that’s for sure.
I would love this for the Original Barry Allen Flash. Barry had a timeline where he grew up, became the flash, had his wife and moved on, but then the alternative timeline is the one where Eobard Thawne tampers. What happened to the Barry that became the flash without having his mom die or having met Thawne yet. It was kinda Teases in Infinite Frontier.
That just sounds like the original silver age timeline
Original Barry didn’t have a dead mom.
Only Barry after 2009 return had a dead mom.
@@cunnyman you know your Flash!
True the OG Barry had a normal childhood and died saving the multiverse and the Barry Allen we know today has a dead mother thanks to Thawne.
@@cunnyman that’s what I’m implying. The OG Barry never had his mom killed but still became the Flash at some point
It’s weird to see that the old original Batman had cancer. It also odd because that’s how Kevin Conroy sadly passed away.
Rest in Peace Kevin Conroy🦇
fly high batman 🦇🦇
Damn that's nuts I didn't even think of that
Suddenly superhero comics have become palatable. I thought it was the stupid costumes and garish villians but it's the lack of closure, or even timeline development that makes me hate them.
This... was a great story. Fixed in time, developing constantly, ending decisively. No soap opera crap, no floating timeline.
I respect that immensely. Thank you for opening my eyes.
Check out the Ultimate Universe then. It actually got an end, minus Miles and James Howlett Jr
The DCAU is mostly good for this too
Batman has an ending, and he inspires the next generation to take his place
@@ItsButterBean1020 And that next generation ain't just one story. It's got the Zeta Project too
@@funnyfunnyvalentine7991 true, everyone forgets Zeta :(
Technically there’s the Earth 12 comics but those are weird with continuity
@@ItsButterBean1020 Is there a reading order for Earth 12?
It would actually be really interesting if the future of Batman in the Mainstream became a series of other characters carrying on the legacy of Batman. It would really open the doors for some really cool story ideas
I think to a degree they've recognized this, but they never commit to it. They've given Batman Beyond more of a push sometimes, but then they do idiotic things like Future State. They did have the guts to do the Jim Gordon Batman story. Of course Grant Morrison gave us Dick Grayson's Batman and the future of Batman 666 showing us Damian's Batman.
I remember John Byrne did an elseworld comic with this exact premise during the early 2000's, which was called Superman & Batman: Generations. I think it might be out of print now, but I remember that it did some interesting things with that premise that I haven't really seen any other comics do.
It would be cool but there's no longer good writters sadly
That’s what’s the phantom is been doing longer than Batman to.
batman's bizarre adventures
I never even knew, but I've been needing a video like this for a long time. Putting some respect on the source material while telling the original story from start to end as the creator intended.
Fun Fact: In the All Star Squadron Annual 3 (published in the early 80s but Set in 1940 before the All Star Squadron main series), Batman , Robin and and the other JSAers had their aging rate slowed due to being exposed to some weird radiation thanks to supervillain Ian Karkull. Explains why this Batman had the energy of a person far younger than his proper age until his death
Golden Age Batman and Silver Age Superman were the only characters to get an official conclusion to their stories.
Fun fact with Silver Age Superman is that when the main Superman writer heard about the planned Crisis on Infinite Earths he didnt want to have Superman just end with no conclusion for the characters.
This story shows us the true meaning of all of Batmans work and efforts in his seemingly endless war on crime. His legacy and his story are all truly admirable from start to finish, this batman is the definition of a hero.
Honestly, this is why I prefer the stories outside the main DC universe.
They are allowed to have a proper lifespan, instead of basically being in a floating timeline.
This makes me want to read earth 2 comics
There are a lot of good collections out there!
@@CRISIS_COMICS Where would you recommend to start from?
Pre crisis and post crisis Earth 2 are wildly different beasts. Make sure you pick the right one you were looking for 😂
@@doodtheman2508 don’t forget Post-Flashpoint Earth 2
Shit gets crazy
@@daniel30855 There's no great starting point since they have been around since WWII. The Justice League would team up with the Justice Society every summer and those were always great. They are in trade format. Crisis On Multiple Earths 1-6. All-Star Squadron is also a great read. Takes place during WWII with every super-hero getting involved.
I'm no fan of comics but this was very pleasant to watch, keep em coming man!
I like the comics but I enjoy novels more....it's something my mom ingrained in me, she was a big book reader and when i do read I can be too lol 350 pages? I can knock that out in a day if the book is good enough
my problem is and this will sound elitist is just cost, to me a $9 paperback novel is more cost effective cus 350 pages of text, a comic is less valuable cus 12 pages mostly really impressive art but only 2 or 3 pages of legit text if that and the modern books with lengthy monologues on flat single color backgrounds are terrible and boring lol
i like comics when they're good, i own the 4 part Spawn The Impaler story i totally get the closure aspect gods now that was a good story even if it wasn't a novel, it's hard to kick the preference for novels aside sometimes....and is is cool to see in the older comics bats had a better end than in the modern era, marrying Selina Kyle? that's cool as hell
You should watch Comics Explained. Rob tells comics storylines super cool.
I wasn't into comics either until I meet this channel
Yessir!
Then you should start becoming a fan. There’s more amazing stories like this in comics.
Love the video! But uh, wouldn’t the golden age still be part of Earth-1 technically? Since Earth-1 is the main universe and was originally the same as Earth-2 until they parted ways.
I loved this version of Batman. Not the super brooding vigilante but more a true paladin of Justice.
This was fantastic! Loved to see a new take on Batman, seeing as I had no idea about earth 2 characters having a definitive ending, would love to see a series of these. Think you could do Superman next?
@Seb the ice man which
@Will N that doesn't mean earth 2 isn't trash. That just means later comics greatly improved.
@Will N I'm not saying earth 2 is trash because it's old. You're the one saying it's good only because it's the original.
I think that they made a mistake in the Convergence comics with this Earth, not only did Dick change that "ridiculous costume" for the most well known Earth-Two Robin costume way before Bruce died (he did it after meeting Earth-One Robin the first time) but the characters don't feel like they are continuing from the narrative of the older issues and just being written based on footnotes.
It's a shame because even though i like Batman being a mantle that can be used by different generations, i like the idea of the original verse being the exception, and Batman being only one guy in a legacy of superheroes that goes beyond the Batman mantle, making Bruce the one and only Batman, also it gives the Robin mantle it's own identity instead of the stand-in for the "real superhero identity" that it is in modern times.
On top of that, they messed up the continuity by having him be far too young in Convergence, when he already reached middle age in the JSA annual.
And having Dick be Batman undermines Helena's importance as the legacy of Batman, instead of having two original superhero personas that follow Batman's legacy (Huntress and Robin), you have Batman's successor and his offshoot companion.
The writers of Convergence were working too much with the current m.o. of characters constantly succeeding Batman instead of respecting what was written in the Earth-Two stories.
I appreciate what Convergence does in restoring the verse, but these changes are unnecessary, if you are going to restore a timeline only to change all the important developments for these characters in the opposite direction, then why are you even restoring it at all?
Yeah, it could’ve been done better.
Yeah I like the idea Nightwing is his own man and it’s why I hate him just becoming Batman
Convergence had many such mistakes. This is the problem with trying to revisit old versions of continuity with modern writers who don't know or appreciate any of it. For me, one of the most egregious moments happened in the Legion of Super-Heroes Convergence story. Ayla Ranzz (sometimes known as Lightning Lass, sometimes known as Light Lass) is moping about because Timber Wolf broke up with her. However, back in the actual comics of the day, Ayla left the Legion and told Timber Wolf that he could come with her or they could break up. Timber Wolf chose the Legion over her, but basically, she was breaking up with him. And she left the Legion at that point, so she wouldn't still be hanging around in costume at Legion HQ like she was in the Convergence story.
I have lots of stories of "modern writers not understanding older continuity but writing it anyway". Like the story of 1950s or 1960s Wonder Woman, needing help from a military plane to get her to a certain location that she had to parachute down to. I mean, come on. First, she has her own plane, the invisible jet. Second, she doesn't need a parachute, she can glide on air currents... or just jump incredible distances anyway. Or, even Doctor Who comics, where a writer had the First Doctor piloting the TARDIS to a specific time and place to meet up with an old friend. Like, he can't do that.
@@ItsButterBean1020 nah ROBIN.fckn hate how DC makes Robin as an official Batman's sidekick identity...Robin's name is given by Dick's mother.
time changes things, it changes how we view the world around us, it changes our own perspectives of ourselves and the people around us. The earth-2 Robin becoming Batman was something that had to happen , the way I see it Bruce Wayne trained dick Grayson to be Robin in hopes of taking over for him as Batman when he retired. Batman is an ideal a symbol of hope for the citizens of Gotham to rally behind and inspire, and fight and I still fear on the criminal elements that prey upon them.
I personally thought dick Grayson was too old to be Robin anyway, look the earth-1 dick Grayson was 19 years old when he stopped being Robin and became Nightwing becoming a hero in his own right at the same time evolving beyond Robin reaching near Batman style level. Earth-2 dick grayson should either take accept the mantle of Batman or create his own new identity either way he needed to stop being Robin years ago ,he simply outgrew that role.
The concept of all the villains and heroes growing old and dying is extremely fascinating
What a great storyline, you put it together perfectly. I was not even aware this particular Batman. I used to be an avid comic book reader, in the store every week but over time Comics began to get more and more expensive and there's just no way I can keep up. This is the next best thing, just want to say a very sincere thank you. I will now be a big fan of yours LOL and continue watching your videos
Last dance with MJ. Perfect song bro. You have earned my subscription.
When did he use the song?
i’m so glad more videos are coming out about helena wayne! she’s very important to selina and bruce’s mythos and legacy even though her identity as the huntress is independent and original. could you maybe do a video on the worlds finest series on new 52 huntress and powergirl? amazing video !
Worth a mention: Bruce and Selina’s wedding was fully depicted in Superman Family #211 with Clark and Lois in attendance.
Yeah Superman Family had a lot of features in one comic but one of the features is "Mr and Mrs Superman, it started in Action Comics 484 as a main story describing the marriage of Earth Two Superman and Lois during the mid 50s (and Lois had discovered that Supes is Clark). I wont spoil the main plot for you cause its quite intresting.
Then the feature was given a "proper" status in Superman and later famously moved to Superman Family where Clark and Lois thwarted villains together.
Scarecrow always affects Batman's life in interesting ways. This villain need more attention
Excellent idea for a video! I feel stupid that I didn't make it. As an old guy, I automatically assume that everyone already knows everything that I know and more. One small clarification: in the story that presents Catwoman's death, Batman's retirement, and Huntress's origin, it is revealed that the photo Catwoman's old henchman used to blackmail her was, in fact, faked. She never actually killed anyone, which makes her death and the whole story seem all the more tragic.
Seems like Nolan's ending might have been inspired about some of those storylines, at least the part of leaving the mantle, being with Catwoman and 'Robin' taking over the role. Nolan definitely did his homework.
Yeah the Nolan movie's ending ending was satisfying.
rip golden age Batman: he die as he lived an absolute Chad.
Begging DC to make an Earth 2 animated Batman film series. All the stories I've come across so far are so packed full of character, emotion and twists.
I think there's something so cool about the sheer creativity that was allowed to flourish in these kinds of stories. There are a ton of modern comics I still really love and enjoy, but for decades, big-two editorial staff has been so afraid to allow characters to age up, grow, etc. I get that it may lead to less action oriented stories and quieter, more character driven stuff. I know that doesn't always sell as well, but I would really love to see more versions of these characters where they're allowed to grow older and we can see them at stages of life that extend beyond the age of ambiguous-thirties. I love stories like Kingdom Come, Spider-Man: Life Story, etc.
It honestly bothers me that we don't get many definitive endings for characters these days. Batman for instance is a character who you want to see have a strong payoff for everything he has done. You want to see how he impacted Gotham, rehabilitated villains, and which ones he couldn't save. Otherwise, his entire mission would have been for nothing.
Its why i dont care abt many comics anymore there is never an ending and the status quo must be upheld i just cant care about something that wont end its not worth it
I get what you're saying, but I don't want to live in a world without Batman. And I mean Bruce Wayne Batman. It's not the real world where people have to die, it's fiction where people can live forever for generations to enjoy. Let's save the dieing and never coming back for elseworld stories.
Even in death, Batman’s shadow still protects his home. A man we should all learn from.
This might be too soon since you’ve done a lot of power scaling on this channel, but I think it would be cool to see a potential video on how strong you would consider Ryu (from Streets) is in the Udon Comics continuity. There isn’t much Udon content on this platform so I was thinking you could fill the gap. If you wish of course.
Superman/Batman: Generations also has a great “finality” type of story for Batman
Would love a continuation looking at the original histories of other superheroes.
agreed
I think the best come back ever was Hal Jordan. That rebirth was written so well and it covered everything and made irredeemable < redeemable.
Nice work on the video.
The coolest thing about this is it allows the next generation to learn and reflect on the mistakes of the previous generation, making these superhero’s far more human
This is one problem I have modern comic continuity. Death is irrelevant. It's why one off series that are their own thing I find much more appealing.
I want movies for this batman in his era.
I think comics would have been improved as a medium if all the major publishers got together and agreed you’re rarely allowed to write a character as outright dying in a story. It would make it massively more impactful and an actual memorable event
I wish somebody could make an animated movie or game of Batman Earth 2. That would be awesome.
Would love to see you do superman and wonder woman's endings in this universe. It's nice that the original batman got an ending instead of being rebooted over and over
I think Superman’s end was Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?
Assuming the the original Batman/Bruce Wayne started crime fighting late 1930's he would be born in the 1910's. Robin/ Dick Grayson between 1929 to 1930. Huntress/ Helena Wayne early to mid 1950's.
I hate how the new media makes batman a douchebag, ever unhappy and eternally crime fighting. He deserves to be happy and to have a good ending
I enjoyed this video! I definitely would like to see videos of what happened to the Earth 2/Golden Age heroes.
Just found the channel with this video, definitely keep doing ones like these!
Incredible video, I had no idea any of these stories existed, and just assumed they quietly wrote over these stories with Year one etc. would love to see the equivalent videos made for other characters, amazing work
You should do more of these videos learning about the different earths is always a blast to learn about!
The batman who debuted in 1939. Might be the mainstream batman that fans know today. This entire time.
Excellent video, thanks for making and uploading.
I'm split on dead characters in comics. Some returns from death have been handled well, a lot haven't.
For me it depends on the quality of the story of a return, but even then there's been returns that were quality stories but having the character return cheapened their death and their being back didn't feel right.
Barry Allen's return and reclaiming the Flash mantle from Wally West was one of those returns that didn't feel right to me.
Learning the facts you shared here about why Dick wore a combo of his and Bruce's costumes as well as other continuity errors from that Convergence story really soured it for me. At least Helena and Dick didn't sell their love for each other to the devil to bring Bruce back, even just for one more day.
Thank you for the video. I’ve watched it twice now since you uploaded it. Batman is my absolute favorite. The character deserves this sort of genuine and definitive story telling. I’m glad a version of him gets to rest.
very cool video!! ive seen a lot of batman videos and this is the first time i heard this outcome. Love it
I started reading comics just post-crisis and only read vague mentions of this Batman’s end. Thanks for making this and I would definitely appreciate similar videos about the rest of the trinity.
Rip the og batman
Even though I personally would never want Batman to die. Hearing that he finally died in some earth gave me a sigh of relief.
I absolutely love your video! Maybe do a series where u go over the complete cannon life of current superheroes and what they’ve gone through. Like the post new 52 justice league or Spider-Man’s entire story since marvel never reboots lol
They really knew what to do with these characters back in the old days
Out of all of The Batman's amazing villains on his rogue gallery, he dies to... Bill Jensen...
Helena Wayne. Infinite Crisis is another classic story as well. Golden Age Superman death was sad but done well. Earth 2 stories were fun to read. I have most in trade paperback.
Awesome video, thanks for this info
This was a great summary of these earth 2 batman comics, and quite interesting to see you putting the images in order of their subjective timeline rather than their publishing timeline.
Such a great comprehensive video! Great job! now...more
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Super dope video. It would be fantastic to see more surf like this with earth 2 heroes
Fantastic video, please do more videos on the original earth-2 characters
Excellent video! I would have never thought about covering the original Earth 2 Batman. I doubt if anyone on RUclips besides this channel host even thought about it.
Hey, that’s pretty good! First video I’ve watched of yours!
This is probably the closest we’ll ever get to a DC version of ultimate… and it came out like 60+ years ago.
In my pie in the sky scenario, we’d get a DC equivalent of the ultimate universe and have stories fully told by one writer, writers who don’t do things just for shock value. Then we could get things like Hal Jordan snapping and becoming evil without retconning it to be some dumb yellow creature or superman can really die. Maybe batman could retire and Tim drake takes over the mantle, ect. There’s basically endless source material.
Of course this is a pie in the sky scenario and in all likelihood, it’d probably meet the same fate as the marvel ultimate universe where it flops because writers just make things for shock value, it gets old, and they take the stuff people liked and shove it in the main universe.
A streamlined universe and one where the timeline had actual impacts/didn't float could be interesting. Admittedly, there might be less characters to help with the previously mentioned streamlining.
@@johnnygyro2295 ya there wouldn’t be a lot of obscure characters. Although ones from popular arcs to be retold like Azreal would have to be there. You definitely can’t introduce too many heroes because then you get the plot issue a lot of comics have of “why doesn’t X call up Y for help here?”.
@@johnnygyro2295 thats kinda what Injustice is to be honest.
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Maybe. But I've gotten tired of the "Evil Superman" plot. It feels like everyone's done it.
The ,, earth one" Comics are Like this
This was a awesome vid would love to see a Superman and Wonder Woman or just comic vids in general
good video really enjoyed this
This was an awesome video! Thank you.
I love this!! Can you do more Earth2 stories? It’s so underrated
a fan of The Batman for much of my life, I found elements of this new to me and illuminating. Thank you.
Phenomenal video my friend. I consider myself a fairly well versed comic book nerd but damn did I ever learn some things today.
That was so interesting! great video man
Never knew I needed this. Thank you.
What a great video! Really well done
Eight years after a brief part of my childhood when I bought comics, I started back up full time in 1978, and this is the first Batman story that greets me.
Fantastic video, Earth 2 is one of those gems from DC that doesn't get enough credit.
I'd love to see more JSA stuff from you, maybe detailing some of the members' history or the group in general.
The Golden Age/Earth Two Batman, will always be my favorite Batman. He was dark, but not in a self-loathing kinda way. The dual identity was handled well. And he got to find happiness with his true love Catwoman, and raise a superhero daughter with her, The Huntress.
I will always reserve the Earth-1 bronze age Batman from the 70's-early 80's as my favorite, particularly when written by Dennis O'Neil, but the Earth-2 Batman is probably a close second for me, with the Bruce Timm Batman not far behind.
great stuff - would love to see more about earth 2 heroes!
An excellent video! As a Batman fan since 1986, I loved it!
I just subscribed, I would love to see more videos like this.
The golden age of comics (30’s-40’s) and the bronze age (70’s) were unparalleled. 80’s were cool too but, and there are some cool stuff to this day but…damn these two eras are unmatched
I agree. I bought several Golden age batman omnibuses a said wow..what a world back in the 30s with the art and dick tracy gangster type stories. The 70s bronze age also had a darker toned theme...their very cool eras. The 8os..mmm.
@@robd1329 80’s still had some of the cool stuff from the 90’s and ofc we got Frank Miller cementing the dark knight in pop culture. But ever since then it feels like ppl have been trying to imitate Frank Miller with less success rather than emulate the original spirit of the og Batman (which is arguably what Frank was trying to do albeit in his own voice)
Tha GOAT 🐐 vigilante of comics!!!!!!
Wow great video it's been forever since I've been that engaged with a batman video
Bruce wouldn't have cancer, if he didn't smoke that ton of pipes
Great and very thorough.
Nice to see love for the OG Batman.
Man I can only imagine reading this when it first came out. Must have been crazy
Great video! It's very interesting to see a version of Batman that got married had a daughter and died as a hero. I love the mainstream batman and i'm okay with his endless crusade, but seeing him get a proper ending and his legacy being continued through robin and helena it was great and i'd love to see this series for other heroes like superman and wonder woman.
This was amazing. Subscribed
Good shit, bro. Good shit. I absolutely ADORE the art style that Kingdom Come and its artist employs. Everyone looks like a god.
I've always treated all DC and Marvel stories as canon, and I'm not just talking about the multiverse. Although, I could never really make sense of all the contradictions when explaining, in my head I could. It wasn't until Death Metal that Scott Snyder was able to put into comics how i had always intrepreted them.
You see, in Death Metal, Perpetua and the Darkest Night were both fighting for who gets to reshape the Omniverse, while the heroes fight in Earth 0 trying to destroy rhat Earth, essentially, trying to end things on their own terms. But Wonder Woman, with the help of Lobo, Darkseid, and Mobius, was able to show the Darkest Night and the heroes an alternative path. Instead of resetting everything, instead of endign everything, she showed them and became TRUTH.
After this, everything was canon, cause everything was true. And all true things can never truly end. Stories, archetypes, characters, was written, once ocnceived become TRUE. And even if DC or Marvel stops manking comics, the people who knew their characters eventually will, and they will never stop making these stories, for they are already true.
So instead of arguing about what is canon and what is not and what has closure and what does not, let us instead enjoy these unending stories for what they are: stories.
Mental gymnastics at its finest.
How about " No."
The creator of Batman might vehemently disagree with some modern leftists view of Batman, and thus, it isn't a true batman, but a degenerate high quality rip off.
Not the same character. Not the same creator. Just a demented clone.
@@elderkyst2386It’s hilarious how you tried to equate a theory on canon to politics. And they say comicsgaters want less politics in their comics XD
That aside:
Who created Hercules then? By your logic, everything we know about modern Greek or Norse or otherwise mythological heroes are cheap carbon copies because we don’t 100% know how the original stories made by the original people who thought of those myths go. We don’t know how many labours Hercules had to do, 10 or 12, and whether the 2 labours from the 12 count or not. There are a ton of origins for Greek gods that are hard to dispute.
What about something like Doctor Who then? The character doesn’t have a single or a fixed number of creators. He was created by writers room with a full season of his early stories written by multiple people. Fast forward to 60 years later, with development, the character is fairly different, written by different writers. Are the Doctor a cheap carbon copy?
What about the Burton, Nolan, or the most recent batman movies? Who are you or the original writer to say this is a cheap copy when those movies inspire or inspired a generation of people down the line?
My point is, as soon as the writer willingly gives up character rights to a company or another individual to let them make more stories of a specific character, that interpretation is no more invalid than the og.
@@vcom741 My response: The "Hercules" Point. We may not know who created Hercules, but we do know for a fact who created Batman. Entirely different situations here. This point was invalid.
The Doctor who point was interesting but, it was originally meant for teaching purposes with some story tossed in. The futuristic episodes focuses on engineering and mechanics, while the traveling to the past ones taught a little bit of history. Also, since he WAS created by multiple people, and we know WHO created him, as well as his cannon regenerative abilities, his situation is logical. Not mental gymnastics. It is going as it started. As intended. A very nice exception, but not breaking the rules of my logic. It is still going on as it's creator first imagined. Can't say the same for alot of modern comic and remakes.
As for your point on Batman. Once a company buys the rights to a character, AND the creator or one of their proteges aren't working on a series anymore, it's dead. But hey, companies love money and whatnot, so why not make fan fiction and sell it at large for a profit.
Well. Used to. People would rather buy manga nowadays, and honestly, can't blame them.
@@elderkyst2386 But by your logic none of the interpretations of Hercules are valid then. They are not the original version by the original creator, henceforth, they are invalid.
Actually, by the time regeneration was introduced, little part of the og writing team remained. By this point, the show took an even harder hard sci fi turn which barely resembled the themes that were discussed under Verity Lambert as producer. William Hartnell himself was against the hard sci fi and increased violence of the show, so I do not believe it doesn’t break the rules of your logic. In addition, a lot of things considered standard by today, besides regeneration such as Time Lords, Gallifrey, Cybermen, Master, hell, pacifism of the main character, were not introduced long after 99% of original writing staff has left.
The batman point doesn’t answer the crux of my point. What about adaptations? They are interpretations meant for a completely different medium written by different people. Are they then not valid then?
By that logic every single comic book movie released today is just some fanfiction then lol.
@@vcom741 Yes. Invalid. Not the original story. Useful only as mindless self indulgence after first of any rendition in his case. It's redundancy.
No. As I stated, if the creators or their proteges leave, game over.
Their proteges can of course have proteges, and like I said, DR who is continuing as intended. It simply teaches moral lessons as well as time goes by. Still, as the creators intended. As their proteges intended. Different than absolutely no connection whatsoever to the original creators other than a name and some faceless company. Like most comic creators now. Not even proteges of proteges. Like I said, a very nice exception, but there ARE reasons for that. Evolving and adapting within a story is NOT fanfic, unlike taking a character and saying" Let's Rick and Morty that shit, multiverse and all, and call it true!".
Batman point: Again. Not valid for anything other than mindless self indulgence here. It's like the fight club quote." everything is a copy of a copy of a copy" you get the point. Invalid, and redundant.
And also, yeah. They are fanfiction that people pay to watch. I don't watch movies though. Lost interest in that well around a decade ago at least.
man this was a great video I'd love too see videos on the other heros
Huge respect for the writers who wrote this comic committed to developing this universe and the story after Batman died instead of resurrecting him.
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Awesome History Lesson Thank You Much 💯😎