@@johanmanso3739 I'm learning mazeppa, and I can't even get to the middle of this etude, mazeppa is even easier than Campanella, don't get carried away by the opinions of those who say Mazeppa is extremely difficult because it's not true
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 I actually agree with you. I learnt Mazeppa and although I couldn't get up to a truly professional A+ level performance, I still managed to get it down solidly in my hands and play it decently for my piano professor completely memorized, the hardest aspect of that piece is simply getting all the notes and retaining the stamina required to perform it well until the very end. This piece on the other hand seems to be more about dexterity and correctly voicing all the fugal elements, which for heavy handed people who are better suited for grandness over dexterity such as myself this can be quite difficult. In this sense it reminds me of the final movement of Beethoven's Hammerklavier Sonata or the final of the Appassionata or op.110. I still haven't forgotten about your request to learn Czerny's op.756 no.3; once I go on a short hiatus from Liszt(learning S.176 and Un Sospiro) and my piano gets tuned I'll follow up on your request and learn and record it. Czerny should get more recognition on RUclips, he's after all the teacher who trained Liszt, Thalberg, Kullak, Lesechtiszky etc...And actually several generations up the line of my pedagogical geneology from all my teachers he's my pedagogical "ancestor" external-preview.redd.it/Zi6L_I-MUjNSshuTTt4T2Xr7BfAV2rhwaekuYeFt6NY.jpg?auto=webp&s=47a2f0b90ef2365f7de97c5d88d96f6d1f761d66
Thank you very much for uploading this! 00:52 Start of the fugue 03:01 Fugue theme followed by the longest chain of sequences I have ever come across 04:27 Organ point 04:43 Secondary theme 05:32 Fugue theme and secondary theme in counterpoint
It is an honor to have a comment from you on my Channel! There is a recording of the Etude 8 but it is MIDI, but I still find it extremely difficult for Czerny Op.399 and to save you the search for the most musical Etudes of Czerny I have to recommend this Opus 399, 365, 400, 409, 692, 754, 755, 756, 822 and 856 are now available Recordings of Op.756 and soon Op.807 by a colleague of yours named Fumecri Himecri who plays many unknown works and can help you to know what Czerny's play and Op.856 are already on Spotify by Ikuyo Kamiya and on RUclips by Emmanuele Delucci ☺ I invite you to subscribe to my channel to save you the search for everything related to Czerny
Czerny is of the forgotten composers whose School of Velocity etudes are basically all that holds him up. Just like Clementi's Sonatinas. Czerny has a wealth of GOOD music but somehow he has fallen through the cracks. Anton Kuerti was trying to champion his works. I wish more musicians would listen to and perform his works. I know they are not easy, but they are so good! Thank you for uploading this.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Czerny is really underrated and a lot of his better output is pushed away and people focus to say "czerny is just boring technical studies"
@@vnwa7390 yes, they are comments of stupid people like Alon Ostrun and Herb Sewell (they call themselves on RUclips) even a guy who has the name equal to that of composer Alkan, those kind of people are quite unbearable and maybe some of them will answer this comment but not I'm not in the least interested in Czerny either, they are simple humans and Czerny is a Genius and somewhat divine. I hope you subscribe to my channel and enjoy the blessed music of Czerny.
not just czerny, in general many classical music today are not explorative enough. there's so much more music than chopin, liszt ,and beethoven in fact. hummel, moscheles, anton rubinstein, clara schumann, clementi, cramer, dussek, cpe bach, heck even mozart's son all composer wondeful music rarely played today. and they have many many works.
I discovered Czerny today and it´s a crime he isn´t regarded among the greatest composers in human history. His fugues have a continuous drive forward, with ferocity and raw violence. Like an unstoppable train on it´s way to smash through multiple brick walls.
n importe quoi . ne jugez pas si vous n en etes pas capable. bach est déjà toujours plus beau , plus créatif, plus profond. . C'est incroyable de dire que ça égale Bach.
Thanks again for sharing another musical jewel. Wondering why is Czerny so rarely performed ... Could this fact be seen as a consequence of some marketing headlines dictated by the big brands involved in classic music broadcasting ? Ok,Czerny is virtually unknown by 99,99% of human beings...so what ? The time for a revival is next to come...hopefully.
This is not a transcription to sibelius is a recording made by my friend Roman Repka, I am also a pianist and will begin to learn the study 8 maybe take some months
si es muy buena, ahora que acabe con un repertorio pendiente prometo estudiarla, tiene escensia de Bach pero transportada con éxito a otra época, a eso me refiero con obras con sentido musical excelente y magistral, ni por cerca esta opus clavicenvalisticum a esta obra. esta es mil millones de veces mejor.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 a mi no me disgusta sorabji, solo no lo considero artista musical si no hampartista. si te disgusta Chopin ya es cosa tuya, pero usar el termino disgustar, no es el adecuado en todo caso.
De acuerdo con que Czerny tiene cosas muy difíciles de tocar. De acuerdo con que Czerny es más que solo estudios. De acuerdo con que hay infinidad de compositores menospreciados y casi desconocidos injustamente (yo mismo defiendo a M. Clementi como pedagogo, y compositor de sonatas y música de cámara rara vez ejecutadas). De acuerdo con que su música es de alta calidad. En lo que no concuerdo es con ese comentario que lo coloca mejor en sus fugas que Bach. 🤷🏻♂️ Saludos.
@@akemdam9824 respondele al del comentario de abajo que dice que Chopin es mejor, cuando en realidad Chopin es una basura y lo digo porque ya llegue al límite con ver comentarios tan estúpidos donde lo idolatran sin razón alguna.
@@abraxasstone no it's less than one hour, about 40+ minutes, but it's still harder than this etude. Hammerklavier might be the hardest piece of the entire classical repertoire. The title for the hardest sonata of the Romantic era probably goes to Alkan's Les 4 Ages, but in terms of musical difficulty and structural complexity Liszt B minor takes the price. Then in the 20th Century Scriabin, with his last Sonatas achieved a completely new level of pianistic complexity, both technical and musical. The 5th, 7th and 8th Sonatas are some of the hardest shit you'll ever come to hear, and, especially considering sightreading, Scriabin goes far beyond Liszt. But there's even worse than that. Feinberg's 3rd Sonata, Roslavets 5th and Szymanowski's 3rd are probably the hardest Sonatas in the entire pianistic literature... The peak of complexity btw was reached by Sorabji in his 5th Sonata, the so called Opus Archimagicum, which lasts over 5 hours and is almost entirely written in 3 and 4 staves.
Throughout my career as a pianist I have noticed many things with Liszt, liszt is difficult to read and I think that reading it is harder to play and I hope not to offend anyone. answering your question Feux Follets is difficult but it seems to me of the same level as Chopin Op.10 number 2 and also Op.25 number and these etudes are well a preparation for Czerny Op.365 etudes 18 And 19. so I consider that a scale from 1 to 10 feux follets Chopin Etudes 2 And 18 are a 7.5 and Czerny Op.365 etudes 18, 19 are an 8, and finally Czerny Op.399 etude 10 would be an 8.5 a being preparation to Czerny Op.400 which I consider Just like the Op.365 etudes and the Mereaux etudes, they are more demanding than the Liszt etu, this speaking in general difficulties. Another point in favor of Op.399 number 10 esque is a very long and difficult 4-voice Fugue having twice the melodic lines of Liszt Feux Follets and some of Liszt Parafrases. Even so, all the works that I have mentioned here are very difficult, although most do not want to agree with me. Czerny is one of the most difficult composers for Piano and I think the world is quite unaware of him and they believe that only Czerny has Op.500, 299 and 740 which I consider important but not as important as Op. 756, 692, 364, 365, 355, 409, 754, 755, 807, 818, 819, 822, 837 and 856 in addition to the other etudes of which not yet There are scores.
@@czeynerlamentemusical8048 Wtf are u talking about. LIszt Feux Follets and Paganini Etude No.4 (First version) are more difficult than any Czery piece
Considering Mereaux's etudes are more or less all (60 of them) physically impossible to play at the prescribed tempos, you are very much wrong... don't keep your head in the clouds, buddy.
What are your arguments to defend those words? Or rather you like Chopin more? In any case, Chopin is not a complete Composer himself, he admitted that he did not dominate all Composition styles and the only fugue he has is a total garbage! none of the Etudes de Chopin can overcome this problem that you just commented
@@GalleryOfChameleon liszt is only difficult to read, it is easier to play than to read for example mazeppa and Campanella are difficult to read but at the time of playing they are the same level as an Etude Chopin or Czerny Op.756 And 838 or even one of the Beethoven's latest Sonatas
@@GalleryOfChameleon so what music is not about difficulty. the hardest liszt piece, i can say, is the transcription for beethoven's symphony no. 9. his hardest short work is the paganini etude no. 4, 2nd verison of the 1838 version. czerny though has also composed very hard works, in particular some of the opus 365 etudes and his grand exercise in thirds may be compared with the liszt etude.
More Hard than Mazeppa
We dont mind if it is or not harder than Mazeppa...
@@johanmanso3739 I'm learning mazeppa, and I can't even get to the middle of this etude, mazeppa is even easier than Campanella, don't get carried away by the opinions of those who say Mazeppa is extremely difficult because it's not true
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 mazeppa is probably not easier than La Campanella
Czeyner La Mente Musical I am not telling that it's not true , I just don't understand why doe you need to always compare the difficulty of a piece
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 I actually agree with you.
I learnt Mazeppa and although I couldn't get up to a truly professional A+ level performance, I still managed to get it down solidly in my hands and play it decently for my piano professor completely memorized, the hardest aspect of that piece is simply getting all the notes and retaining the stamina required to perform it well until the very end. This piece on the other hand seems to be more about dexterity and correctly voicing all the fugal elements, which for heavy handed people who are better suited for grandness over dexterity such as myself this can be quite difficult. In this sense it reminds me of the final movement of Beethoven's Hammerklavier Sonata or the final of the Appassionata or op.110.
I still haven't forgotten about your request to learn Czerny's op.756 no.3; once I go on a short hiatus from Liszt(learning S.176 and Un Sospiro) and my piano gets tuned I'll follow up on your request and learn and record it.
Czerny should get more recognition on RUclips, he's after all the teacher who trained Liszt, Thalberg, Kullak, Lesechtiszky etc...And actually several generations up the line of my pedagogical geneology from all my teachers he's my pedagogical "ancestor"
external-preview.redd.it/Zi6L_I-MUjNSshuTTt4T2Xr7BfAV2rhwaekuYeFt6NY.jpg?auto=webp&s=47a2f0b90ef2365f7de97c5d88d96f6d1f761d66
Thank you very much for uploading this!
00:52 Start of the fugue
03:01 Fugue theme followed by the longest chain of sequences I have ever come across
04:27 Organ point
04:43 Secondary theme
05:32 Fugue theme and secondary theme in counterpoint
Thank you for this, it is convenient!
Actually this piece is one of my favorite piece of czerny. Maybe i will try someday.
It is an honor to have a comment from you on my Channel! There is a recording of the Etude 8 but it is MIDI, but I still find it extremely difficult for Czerny Op.399 and to save you the search for the most musical Etudes of Czerny I have to recommend this Opus 399, 365, 400, 409, 692, 754, 755, 756, 822 and 856 are now available Recordings of Op.756 and soon Op.807 by a colleague of yours named Fumecri Himecri who plays many unknown works and can help you to know what Czerny's play and Op.856 are already on Spotify by Ikuyo Kamiya and on RUclips by Emmanuele Delucci ☺ I invite you to subscribe to my channel to save you the search for everything related to Czerny
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Czerny is of the forgotten composers whose School of Velocity etudes are basically all that holds him up. Just like Clementi's Sonatinas. Czerny has a wealth of GOOD music but somehow he has fallen through the cracks. Anton Kuerti was trying to champion his works. I wish more musicians would listen to and perform his works. I know they are not easy, but they are so good! Thank you for uploading this.
Yes Czerny Is better than Chopin And others Overrated Composers
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Czerny is really underrated and a lot of his better output is pushed away and people focus to say "czerny is just boring technical studies"
@@vnwa7390 yes, they are comments of stupid people like Alon Ostrun and Herb Sewell (they call themselves on RUclips) even a guy who has the name equal to that of composer Alkan, those kind of people are quite unbearable and maybe some of them will answer this comment but not I'm not in the least interested in Czerny either, they are simple humans and Czerny is a Genius and somewhat divine. I hope you subscribe to my channel and enjoy the blessed music of Czerny.
not just czerny, in general many classical music today are not explorative enough. there's so much more music than chopin, liszt ,and beethoven in fact. hummel, moscheles, anton rubinstein, clara schumann, clementi, cramer, dussek, cpe bach, heck even mozart's son all composer wondeful music rarely played today. and they have many many works.
cpe bach , clementi , czerny are really really underrated
Thank you Great Composer!And special thanks for Roman Repka!Such a difficult piece and awesome playing!
Wow what a total masterpiece. Thanks for linking it in Paul Barton's comments!
Its not
@@mlr3188 why?
This time sounds like a mixture of Bach and Beethoven..very interesting
More Bach than Beethoven...
@@watchmakerful yes
this sounds way more liszt-esque in the beginning which isn't odd considering he taught liszt
Magnifique Etude. Merci.
Gorgeous! The learned style lives.
Thank you very much for this! (The publisher is PWM, Polish Music Publishing House.)
i can't stop listening to it and when i stop i keep hearing it in my head haha ,!!!mi cabezaaaa¡¡¡
just WOW !
I discovered Czerny today and it´s a crime he isn´t regarded among the greatest composers in human history. His fugues have a continuous drive forward, with ferocity and raw violence. Like an unstoppable train on it´s way to smash through multiple brick walls.
This reminds me of the 4th movement of Beethovens Hammerklavier-Sonata
This piece should be shown to everyone who says Czerny only wrote "educational works."
Sound like Op. 365 No 14
This score looks like Hammer Klavier sonata, but seems much more difficult..
This is equal to Bach! One more underestimated but great composer!
n importe quoi . ne jugez pas si vous n en etes pas capable. bach est déjà toujours plus beau , plus créatif, plus profond. . C'est incroyable de dire que ça égale Bach.
It seems to me that Verdi borrowed from this sketch by Cherny when he wrote his Requiem
Thanks again for sharing another musical jewel.
Wondering why is Czerny so rarely performed ...
Could this fact be seen as a consequence of some marketing headlines dictated by the big brands involved in classic music broadcasting ?
Ok,Czerny is virtually unknown by 99,99% of human beings...so what ?
The time for a revival is next to come...hopefully.
The fugue reminds me of the Kyrie Eleison fugue by mozart from the Dm Requiem
ça y fait penser en effet. je préfère celle de Mozart quand même.
very good! never heard anything from op.399, that's interesting, could you do n.8 op 399 maybe?
This is not a transcription to sibelius is a recording made by my friend Roman Repka, I am also a pianist and will begin to learn the study 8 maybe take some months
ruclips.net/video/nK51McHGCzI/видео.html the Etude 8
Wow
¿Será más dura que la fuga final de la sonata Hammerklavier?
si es muy buena, ahora que acabe con un repertorio pendiente prometo estudiarla, tiene escensia de Bach pero transportada con éxito a otra época, a eso me refiero con obras con sentido musical excelente y magistral, ni por cerca esta opus clavicenvalisticum a esta obra. esta es mil millones de veces mejor.
Así como te disgusta la obra de Sorajbi a mí me disgusta Chopin, no le veo sentido en comparación a Czerny y a Clementi.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 a mi no me disgusta sorabji, solo no lo considero artista musical si no hampartista. si te disgusta Chopin ya es cosa tuya, pero usar el termino disgustar, no es el adecuado en todo caso.
@@darkpianista espare tu grabación de este estudio, por cierto escuchaste el otro que te envie?
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 cual? no logro visualizar.
@@darkpianista ruclips.net/video/LO6d7_0kQyY/видео.html
Hasta ahora van 4 ignorantes que roban oxígeno y que le dan pulgar abajo a esta obra de Arte
Jajajjajajj totalmente de acuerdo darle pulgar abajo a esta obra de Arte debería ser delito
Струва ми се , че Верди е взаимствал от този етюд на Черни когато е писал своя Реквием.
De acuerdo con que Czerny tiene cosas muy difíciles de tocar.
De acuerdo con que Czerny es más que solo estudios.
De acuerdo con que hay infinidad de compositores menospreciados y casi desconocidos injustamente (yo mismo defiendo a M. Clementi como pedagogo, y compositor de sonatas y música de cámara rara vez ejecutadas).
De acuerdo con que su música es de alta calidad.
En lo que no concuerdo es con ese comentario que lo coloca mejor en sus fugas que Bach. 🤷🏻♂️
Saludos.
daniel signorini ---- Creo que usted anda perdido, el congreso de trolls de internet es en otro canal... XD
@daniel signorini ¿cúal es el problema con bach? personalmente disfruto de ambos y admito que casi muero del sacrilegio al leer tus comentarios ;0
@@akemdam9824 respondele al del comentario de abajo que dice que Chopin es mejor, cuando en realidad Chopin es una basura y lo digo porque ya llegue al límite con ver comentarios tan estúpidos donde lo idolatran sin razón alguna.
"Chopin is the greatest of them all, for with the piano alone he discovered everything."
- Claude Debussy
No, Chopin is trash
Bach est le plus grand, la musique la plus belle.
His fugues are insane. Better than Bach in some cases - Many purists who have not explored much music will quickly disagree.
Czerny Is crazy And Beautiful
Nah not better than bach but still impressive
Bach est plus génial , plus beau. c est l architecte , le mélodiste par excellence.
I just think of haammerklavier last mov..
This etude is more hard
Just asking... isn’t Hammerklavier over 2 hours long and one of the top ten hardest pieces in the piano repertoire? Just asking...
@@abraxasstone no it's less than one hour, about 40+ minutes, but it's still harder than this etude. Hammerklavier might be the hardest piece of the entire classical repertoire. The title for the hardest sonata of the Romantic era probably goes to Alkan's Les 4 Ages, but in terms of musical difficulty and structural complexity Liszt B minor takes the price. Then in the 20th Century Scriabin, with his last Sonatas achieved a completely new level of pianistic complexity, both technical and musical. The 5th, 7th and 8th Sonatas are some of the hardest shit you'll ever come to hear, and, especially considering sightreading, Scriabin goes far beyond Liszt. But there's even worse than that. Feinberg's 3rd Sonata, Roslavets 5th and Szymanowski's 3rd are probably the hardest Sonatas in the entire pianistic literature... The peak of complexity btw was reached by Sorabji in his 5th Sonata, the so called Opus Archimagicum, which lasts over 5 hours and is almost entirely written in 3 and 4 staves.
@@scriabinismydog2439 wow
@@scriabinismydog2439 art tatum is harder
How difficult is this compared to feux follets or some of the Liszt paraphrase?
Throughout my career as a pianist I have noticed many things with Liszt, liszt is difficult to read and I think that reading it is harder to play and I hope not to offend anyone. answering your question Feux Follets is difficult but it seems to me of the same level as Chopin Op.10 number 2 and also Op.25 number and these etudes are well a preparation for Czerny Op.365 etudes 18 And 19. so I consider that a scale from 1 to 10 feux follets Chopin Etudes 2 And 18 are a 7.5 and Czerny Op.365 etudes 18, 19 are an 8, and finally Czerny Op.399 etude 10 would be an 8.5 a being preparation to Czerny Op.400 which I consider Just like the Op.365 etudes and the Mereaux etudes, they are more demanding than the Liszt etu, this speaking in general difficulties. Another point in favor of Op.399 number 10 esque is a very long and difficult 4-voice Fugue having twice the melodic lines of Liszt Feux Follets and some of Liszt Parafrases. Even so, all the works that I have mentioned here are very difficult, although most do not want to agree with me. Czerny is one of the most difficult composers for Piano and I think the world is quite unaware of him and they believe that only Czerny has Op.500, 299 and 740 which I consider important but not as important as Op. 756, 692, 364, 365, 355, 409, 754, 755, 807, 818, 819, 822, 837 and 856 in addition to the other etudes of which not yet There are scores.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 do you planning to upload video of yourself playing piano?
Feux Follets is harder than any Liszt etudes and Czerny Compositions.
@@LM-oz2sc No
@@czeynerlamentemusical8048 Wtf are u talking about. LIszt Feux Follets and Paganini Etude No.4 (First version) are more difficult than any Czery piece
More Hard than some etudes of Mereaux And Chopin Godowsky Etudes
Considering Mereaux's etudes are more or less all (60 of them) physically impossible to play at the prescribed tempos, you are very much wrong... don't keep your head in the clouds, buddy.
eh Chopin wrote better music
What are your arguments to defend those words? Or rather you like Chopin more? In any case, Chopin is not a complete Composer himself, he admitted that he did not dominate all Composition styles and the only fugue he has is a total garbage! none of the Etudes de Chopin can overcome this problem that you just commented
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 liszt wrote far more difficult music than this stuff too
@@GalleryOfChameleon liszt is only difficult to read, it is easier to play than to read for example mazeppa and Campanella are difficult to read but at the time of playing they are the same level as an Etude Chopin or Czerny Op.756 And 838 or even one of the Beethoven's latest Sonatas
@@GalleryOfChameleon so what music is not about difficulty. the hardest liszt piece, i can say, is the transcription for beethoven's symphony no. 9. his hardest short work is the paganini etude no. 4, 2nd verison of the 1838 version. czerny though has also composed very hard works, in particular some of the opus 365 etudes and his grand exercise in thirds may be compared with the liszt etude.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 which in your opinion is czerny hardest sonata? or his most best sonata?