With so many horse-related acts, I'm always impressed by how willing the horses are to cooperate with each other and with their human partners, and to play their part in the drama.
Sarah really? Horses are hurt if they don’t do what they are commanded. That’s why they cooperate. If you were told to carry something and run, now walk, now run and you didn’t do it correctly and then you were punished with pain, you would cooperate also. They have been through extensive training where some cooperation was rewarded but mostly they learned to avoid pain by submitting (what you call ‘cooperation’). Sarah, thanks for showing up and watching this video and thinking the horses and humans were mind melding.
@@krisbaker9427 dont be silly, some do cause pain and suffering to get the horses to perform but then the horses are not trustworthy. Real trainers do the long work and training and work with the horse in a positive way. It is possible
@@krisbaker9427 but like myself there are others who base their relationships with animals ( every kind from Elefant to Mouse) on trust and understanding, NOT on pain!!! I see how they do with the Spurs and I'm feeling sick. You can train EVERY animal, even a wolf with understanding and trust, but..... You need more time !!!
Dude on the chestnut owned that ring AND patted his horse when he was done treating it like a gymnasium. Everyone did great, but chestnut dude was a total showman.
Theres a chestnut, a dun, a bay, a dark bay, a grey , a roan, a dark grey , multiple greys to be fair and thats just to name a few, but there is 100% a chestnut and i agree that the rider shows great showmanship. All riders are extremely skilled and show great horsmanship
Cindy, watch again and note how many times the horses throw their heard up with mouths wide open. They are silent so don’t think that means they are screaming for joy. They are trying to release the painful pressure of the bit in their mouths. They are in pain often.
@@krisbaker9427The riders are often not holding the reins at all because you can’t when you’re doing the vaulting stuff. If the horses were unhappy about it they could just stop.
Not good riding. I'm sure they are capable of better, but are also aware that the average audience member is both easily impressed and can't tell how good/bad their technique is as most ppl don't do trick riding. They are pandering to an audience is what they're actually doing. Let's start with the lever bits. Why? There's no need for them especially for trick riding. Also there's quite a few places where the rider is not as tight as they should be and it throws the horses off balance. You can see, especially in that black there's a few quite protests on the horse's part. The riders certainly *have* skill. They are just choosing not to exercise those skills to their fullest. Also almost every trick preformed here is pretty basic and some of the first tricks learned in trick riding. Lots of repetition too. In comparison to show off some really excellent traditional trick riding. Here's a video of the djigitovka ruclips.net/video/knRpvurKuqU/видео.htmlsi=gdPAvPvkpf-r2akx Not a single clamped tail or pinned back ears. No protesting from the horse. No lever bits. Bodies remain relaxed and fluid to remain flexible enough to keep the horse balanced but still engaging the muscles to preform properly. Hell, look at 3:34 in the djigitovka video and watch the guy on the grey climb fully down one side of the horse, hang underneath without being kicked by the cantering horse or causing a loss of balance, and climb up the other side. Anytime the riders are qued to change position they can do so immediately without unbalanced themselves or their horses. You can see the trust they have between horse and rider when they are waving a flag in their face and the horse doesn't so much as flinch. When they're asked to go over a waving piece of fabric. Even bareback, they obey without question and the riders have tremendous seats. Even the flailing around with their weapon serves the purpose of desensitization because they are traditional cavalry horses and they would need to be able to deal with things flying around them, blood and other liquids splashing on them (such as when they cut the water bottles), fire, loud noises (such as the balloon popping). It's all done so they get used to it in a safe environment.
Wow! Thanks for the link! There really is no comparison! The Djigitkova riders and horses are simply magnificent, and the horses actually look like they're enjoying themselves!
I noticed some of the same things. The female rider doesn’t have the upper body strength to do a lot of these tricks and I noticed they cut away from her a few times. She needs some strength training. My aunt was a rodeo trick rider back in the 1950’s and she’d put this woman to shame.
Thanks for the link. That was great riding and true horsemanship! These horses were so much happier and weren't having their mouths ripped off, plus the balance was great even when the guy picked up the hat from the ground, the horse compensated for it. I could watch these guys all day long. Just brilliant stuff compared to the above video. Thanks again ❤️ 🇦🇺
Wow, these were so much better than the DH, thanks for the link! 😃 I'm glad you pointed out the flaws as I felt the same; horrible curb bits when a snaffle would've done, too much side eye and high heads, and general tension in the horses, tricks done on the near side only, etc. I was also pretty underwhelmed and was waiting for them to do something other than bog-standard tricks. Too much time spent galloping around doing nothing but trying to gee the audience up. The riders in your link were far superior, their show was more interesting and skillful, and their horses were more relaxed and balanced.
I am all for well presented and well ridden equine displays. It is a shame that this is not one of them. Stiff and some leaner, not well muscled horses. Riders not being in time with the horses and pulling them off balance, Using the mouths of the horses as balance points was disgusting to watch. The beginner girl on the stiff old dun horse was not ready for the display. So many fantastic acts out there in the world, this is not up to scratch nor quality.
@@starscreamofvos Bits are only painful if used incorrectly. Hang a bit in a horses mouth and it creates no pressure until the rein is brought into action. It is too simplistic to say a bit in and of itself is painful. It is the hands on the reins which create the pain.
This act is so imprecise in their presentation and their need for cultivating applause is all selfish gratification. Those poor horses must be deaf from the music. They are trying too hard to be cool instead of relying on skills and love of the animals.
Hot damn ... incredible. And they make this type of performance look easy! It's not something I would ever even think of doing, but these folks and their equine buddies are unbelievable!❤
Imagine how much spinal misalignment these animals must face. How much pain for human “entertainment” The first song is “ How does it feel to treat me like you do”…. Very apt if people would only stop & consider this from the horses point of view. The posture of the most of these horses is extremely tense.
@@EmuIix They are all displaying classic behavioural signs of horses uncomfortable with what is being asked of them. Not one horse seems happy in its job here. Facial expressions, eyes, ears, carriage, reluctance to move forward in some, and rushing at times in others (when not requested). Horses stiff and unfit for the job required. Horses ill present as prepared for the level of difficulty asked of them (what can prepare an animal for poor riding... I am not quite sure?) and riders incorrectly using their mouths as balance points. (more sensitive than your own shin bone with the unbalanced weight of a human hanging on a metal bar Shall I go on.....?)
People wouldn't dare bring such stressed out dogs for a performance in front of a crowd, but with horses, they're counting on people being either too naive, or too desensitized to distress to care about it. A show with animals should be enjoyable for the animals aswell. Tormenting animals for entertainment is not cool.
The only thing that I saw were five horses galloping in circles for eight minutes, while their riders waved to the crowd. Then one minute of uncoordinated and ill timed stunts forced onto horses. Booooo!!!!
These are highly trained stunt riders and horses. I adore horses and am quick to criticise if I see cruelty. Compared to horse racing, showjumping and other horse 'sports' these stunt horses seem to be trained and treated extremely well and are not doing anything unnatural. They're just cantering and galloping. They don't look sweated up. Their heads are up, ears forward, they look at ease and pleased to be working as a team with trusted riders. It takes months, sometimes years to make a film and years to train stunt horses. The saddle does not touch the spine and the tack seems well fitted. I'd far rather watch this than racing or showjumping, both of which should be banned in my opinion. Incidentally, what would be the use of maltreating stunt horses? They cost money and it takes a long time to train them. The wranglers are under strict rules. We've come a very long way since the days of the original Ben -Hur in the 1920s where horses actually died, and the Westerns of the 1950s where horses were roughly thrown to the ground by having their heads yanked round to throw them off balance.
If you understand horses and can read the signs, they are plain to see here. Individual signs and subtle behaviours of each horse show when and where they are uncomfortable at any point in time. As horsemen, we are not oblivious; unless money comes first, which it does for some at the expense of the horse. Double edged sword, horses are expensive to keep and train so corners get cut and pressure is put on too soon in training. This results in stress. Given time and well balanced riders (not here in all cases) they could be trained and made fit enough to enjoy their job. Some do enjoy their work in really good shows. Time is money.....
No disrespect, but most nine-year-olds can do this in certain parts of the U.S. There wasn't any good synchronization or communication between horse and rider through most of this, and that's all on the riders. Not a fan of how roughly the horses were handled either--it's completely unnecessary.
The riders have great balance but in all honesty I wasn't that impressed, doing the same moves with little fluidity of an entertaining performance. Before anyone asks "could you do any better?" The answer would be no but people pay good money for tickets to see something amazing and get this dull performance. This is my opinion I don't expect anyone else to agree.
In the first bunch there are only 2 really good horsemen - the guy on the bay in the left front of the formation and the woman rider in the rear of the formation. All the others? Horrible hands; their horse’s heads are way up in the air, which is a sure sign they horses are trying to get away form the pain in their mouths caused by the rider being heavy on the bit. Next, the name is - as thw woke crowd says today - cultural appropriation. The Devil’s Horsemen were the Mongols - given that name by terrified European when the Mongols invaded Europe 1237 - 1242 AD…. Just say’in from a horseman of 38 years.
This display was extremely disappointing. Very amateuristic. No balance, each ' trick' was literally for 2/3 seconds. I was embarrassed watching it. I would have asked for part of my ticket money back if I had attended. Terrible, terrible, terrible !! 👎👎👎🤬🤬🤬
With so many horse-related acts, I'm always impressed by how willing the horses are to cooperate with each other and with their human partners, and to play their part in the drama.
Sarah really? Horses are hurt if they don’t do what they are commanded. That’s why they cooperate. If you were told to carry something and run, now walk, now run and you didn’t do it correctly and then you were punished with pain, you would cooperate also. They have been through extensive training where some cooperation was rewarded but mostly they learned to avoid pain by submitting (what you call ‘cooperation’).
Sarah, thanks for showing up and watching this video and thinking the horses and humans were mind melding.
@@krisbaker9427 dont be silly, some do cause pain and suffering to get the horses to perform but then the horses are not trustworthy. Real trainers do the long work and training and work with the horse in a positive way. It is possible
@@krisbaker9427 but like myself there are others who base their relationships with animals ( every kind from Elefant to Mouse) on trust and understanding, NOT on pain!!!
I see how they do with the Spurs and I'm feeling sick. You can train EVERY animal, even a wolf with understanding and trust, but..... You need more time !!!
@@krisbaker9427 perfect 👍👍
Just thought the same.
Dude on the chestnut owned that ring AND patted his horse when he was done treating it like a gymnasium. Everyone did great, but chestnut dude was a total showman.
Bits and whips are used to hurt them to force them to obey. They are slaves
I don’t see a chestnut. I see grey, black, bay and a roan possibly.
@@DillRidge Right when the video opens, he's the second horse back, behind the lead bay.
Theres a chestnut, a dun, a bay, a dark bay, a grey , a roan, a dark grey , multiple greys to be fair and thats just to name a few, but there is 100% a chestnut and i agree that the rider shows great showmanship. All riders are extremely skilled and show great horsmanship
Daniel Naprous is my dad :)
Good riders but as always the horses are stars of life😊
Im impressed by the horses...they've had some great training.
You mean painful
Cindy, watch again and note how many times the horses throw their heard up with mouths wide open. They are silent so don’t think that means they are screaming for joy. They are trying to release the painful pressure of the bit in their mouths. They are in pain often.
Exactly, they're riding with extremely short tight reins and harsh bits!
Damn I never seen 3 back to back examples of people talking out their ass
@@krisbaker9427The riders are often not holding the reins at all because you can’t when you’re doing the vaulting stuff. If the horses were unhappy about it they could just stop.
Not good riding. I'm sure they are capable of better, but are also aware that the average audience member is both easily impressed and can't tell how good/bad their technique is as most ppl don't do trick riding. They are pandering to an audience is what they're actually doing.
Let's start with the lever bits. Why? There's no need for them especially for trick riding.
Also there's quite a few places where the rider is not as tight as they should be and it throws the horses off balance. You can see, especially in that black there's a few quite protests on the horse's part. The riders certainly *have* skill. They are just choosing not to exercise those skills to their fullest. Also almost every trick preformed here is pretty basic and some of the first tricks learned in trick riding. Lots of repetition too.
In comparison to show off some really excellent traditional trick riding. Here's a video of the djigitovka
ruclips.net/video/knRpvurKuqU/видео.htmlsi=gdPAvPvkpf-r2akx
Not a single clamped tail or pinned back ears. No protesting from the horse. No lever bits. Bodies remain relaxed and fluid to remain flexible enough to keep the horse balanced but still engaging the muscles to preform properly. Hell, look at 3:34 in the djigitovka video and watch the guy on the grey climb fully down one side of the horse, hang underneath without being kicked by the cantering horse or causing a loss of balance, and climb up the other side. Anytime the riders are qued to change position they can do so immediately without unbalanced themselves or their horses.
You can see the trust they have between horse and rider when they are waving a flag in their face and the horse doesn't so much as flinch. When they're asked to go over a waving piece of fabric. Even bareback, they obey without question and the riders have tremendous seats.
Even the flailing around with their weapon serves the purpose of desensitization because they are traditional cavalry horses and they would need to be able to deal with things flying around them, blood and other liquids splashing on them (such as when they cut the water bottles), fire, loud noises (such as the balloon popping). It's all done so they get used to it in a safe environment.
Wow! Thanks for the link! There really is no comparison! The Djigitkova riders and horses are simply magnificent, and the horses actually look like they're enjoying themselves!
I noticed some of the same things. The female rider doesn’t have the upper body strength to do a lot of these tricks and I noticed they cut away from her a few times. She needs some strength training. My aunt was a rodeo trick rider back in the 1950’s and she’d put this woman to shame.
Thanks for the link. That was great riding and true horsemanship! These horses were so much happier and weren't having their mouths ripped off, plus the balance was great even when the guy picked up the hat from the ground, the horse compensated for it. I could watch these guys all day long. Just brilliant stuff compared to the above video. Thanks again ❤️ 🇦🇺
Wow, these were so much better than the DH, thanks for the link! 😃
I'm glad you pointed out the flaws as I felt the same; horrible curb bits when a snaffle would've done, too much side eye and high heads, and general tension in the horses, tricks done on the near side only, etc. I was also pretty underwhelmed and was waiting for them to do something other than bog-standard tricks. Too much time spent galloping around doing nothing but trying to gee the audience up. The riders in your link were far superior, their show was more interesting and skillful, and their horses were more relaxed and balanced.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately noticed that this riding was off
That noise is bad enough for humans, so much worse for the horses.
I am all for well presented and well ridden equine displays. It is a shame that this is not one of them.
Stiff and some leaner, not well muscled horses. Riders not being in time with the horses and pulling them off balance, Using the mouths of the horses as balance points was disgusting to watch. The beginner girl on the stiff old dun horse was not ready for the display. So many fantastic acts out there in the world, this is not up to scratch nor quality.
And not a mention that painful bits are used.... Do the horses suffering not matter?
@@starscreamofvos Bits are only painful if used incorrectly. Hang a bit in a horses mouth and it creates no pressure until the rein is brought into action. It is too simplistic to say a bit in and of itself is painful. It is the hands on the reins which create the pain.
This act is so imprecise in their presentation and their need for cultivating applause is all selfish gratification. Those poor horses must be deaf from the music. They are trying too hard to be cool instead of relying on skills and love of the animals.
Hot damn ... incredible. And they make this type of performance look easy! It's not something I would ever even think of doing, but these folks and their equine buddies are unbelievable!❤
Imagine how much spinal misalignment these animals must face. How much pain for human “entertainment”
The first song is “ How does it feel to treat me like you do”…. Very apt if people would only stop & consider this from the horses point of view. The posture of the most of these horses is extremely tense.
Gimmicky trick "riding" yanking on horse's mouth. Yuck😮
The first horse on our left coming out, the rider is jerking its mouth crazy. Doesnt need to be on it.
do not no why this showed up on my page but glad it di those horses are well trained love every minute of this
They're in pain from the bits
Fantastic performance ❤
Most of the horses look like they didn't enjoy this at all :(
how so?
@@EmuIix They are all displaying classic behavioural signs of horses uncomfortable with what is being asked of them. Not one horse seems happy in its job here. Facial expressions, eyes, ears, carriage, reluctance to move forward in some, and rushing at times in others (when not requested). Horses stiff and unfit for the job required. Horses ill present as prepared for the level of difficulty asked of them (what can prepare an animal for poor riding... I am not quite sure?) and riders incorrectly using their mouths as balance points. (more sensitive than your own shin bone with the unbalanced weight of a human hanging on a metal bar Shall I go on.....?)
@@payntpot7623 I don't know much about horses, but I think the grey one looks better than the others...?
The horses are so lovely...putting up with idiotic human antics and noise.
It’s a British kind of rodeo, well, at least the first part of this horse show was. We do love our horses❣️
Everybody clapping and they call themselves horselovers....look at the mouths of the horses! This circus is out dated.
Congratulations. You are right
Dunno what you're watching, but there's nothing wrong with their mouths.
They didn't pull on the horses mouths at all.
Found this disgusting name and not at all good humanely treated horses!
People wouldn't dare bring such stressed out dogs for a performance in front of a crowd, but with horses, they're counting on people being either too naive, or too desensitized to distress to care about it.
A show with animals should be enjoyable for the animals aswell. Tormenting animals for entertainment is not cool.
The only thing that I saw were five horses galloping in circles for eight minutes, while their riders waved to the crowd. Then one minute of uncoordinated and ill timed stunts forced onto horses. Booooo!!!!
Die armen Pferde 😢
Fantastic! Bravo!
Very Nice!!!!!!❤❤❤
Great ! Thank you !
Poor horses
Poor horses!
These are highly trained stunt riders and horses. I adore horses and am quick to criticise if I see cruelty. Compared to horse racing, showjumping and other horse 'sports' these stunt horses seem to be trained and treated extremely well and are not doing anything unnatural. They're just cantering and galloping. They don't look sweated up. Their heads are up, ears forward, they look at ease and pleased to be working as a team with trusted riders. It takes months, sometimes years to make a film and years to train stunt horses. The saddle does not touch the spine and the tack seems well fitted. I'd far rather watch this than racing or showjumping, both of which should be banned in my opinion. Incidentally, what would be the use of maltreating stunt horses? They cost money and it takes a long time to train them. The wranglers are under strict rules. We've come a very long way since the days of the original Ben -Hur in the 1920s where horses actually died, and the Westerns of the 1950s where horses were roughly thrown to the ground by having their heads yanked round to throw them off balance.
I could so do that! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
❤❤❤❤❤ lookoomiiuuu sa fout des friss 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Why is there literally not one single horse not stressed in these types of shows.... How are we so oblivious to horse behaviour?
If you understand horses and can read the signs, they are plain to see here. Individual signs and subtle behaviours of each horse show when and where they are uncomfortable at any point in time. As horsemen, we are not oblivious; unless money comes first, which it does for some at the expense of the horse. Double edged sword, horses are expensive to keep and train so corners get cut and pressure is put on too soon in training. This results in stress.
Given time and well balanced riders (not here in all cases) they could be trained and made fit enough to enjoy their job. Some do enjoy their work in really good shows. Time is money.....
04:50 This stunt is called the nutcracker 😮
Horse abuse.
No disrespect, but most nine-year-olds can do this in certain parts of the U.S. There wasn't any good synchronization or communication between horse and rider through most of this, and that's all on the riders. Not a fan of how roughly the horses were handled either--it's completely unnecessary.
Amazing
Not even good. If you want applause then do something.
It would be entertaining watching YOU do it. 😊
@@FarmFreshIBsome people are just miserable. Sure it's not Marvel spectacular but this is REAL
What a shame! Poor abused horses.
it's all in the legs
A lot of bravado going on…..they spend more time trying to cheer on the crowd than anything else……
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Это нечестно. Российские казаки так скачут без связывания лошадей)))
Kept waiting for the woman to do something
She did do a lot of clapping! 😂
magnifique
British cossacks lol
The need to keep asking for clapping is annoying.
Impressive Circus, has nothing to do with proper riding
Wishing they didn't balance off the bit so to speak.
Cand romani facezu deaste ,englezi se incaltau invers
The riders have great balance but in all honesty I wasn't that impressed, doing the same moves with little fluidity of an entertaining performance. Before anyone asks "could you do any better?" The answer would be no but people pay good money for tickets to see something amazing and get this dull performance. This is my opinion I don't expect anyone else to agree.
Why the devil?🤷🏽♂️
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In the first bunch there are only 2 really good horsemen - the guy on the bay in the left front of the formation and the woman rider in the rear of the formation. All the others? Horrible hands; their horse’s heads are way up in the air, which is a sure sign they horses are trying to get away form the pain in their mouths caused by the rider being heavy on the bit.
Next, the name is - as thw woke crowd says today - cultural appropriation. The Devil’s Horsemen were the Mongols - given that name by terrified European when the Mongols invaded Europe 1237 - 1242 AD…. Just say’in from a horseman of 38 years.
This display was extremely disappointing. Very amateuristic. No balance, each ' trick' was literally for 2/3 seconds. I was embarrassed watching it. I would have asked for part of my ticket money back if I had attended. Terrible, terrible, terrible !! 👎👎👎🤬🤬🤬
yeah not the biggest fan of the riding
I was expecting to be impressed, but meh 😑. Didn't see anything fantastic here.
Good, not great!
So can we all agree that dapple is a bit of a show off bc did y’all’s see that trot into the arena