Minis Forum V3 3in1 Tablet
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
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Looking forward to the review of this as a Linux device.
This. Curious about the Stylus support on a Linux install.
Same. Curious is all the input options(touchscreen, stylus, keyboard) work. Also battery on linux would be interesting, especially if you power limit it to 15 watts.
I'm running linux on mine. The accelerometer isn't detected (so no auto-rotate for now), and the hw sound mixer gets confused with it having four speakers. So, I had to set it to soft mixer. Other than that it runs wonderfully out of the box under linux. Running Bazzite with fingerprint sensor support.
@@ubiquillWhat version are you running, thinking about manjaro xfce on mine.
@@swamprat9245 Bazzite-desktop . it's a fedora atomic desktop spin that brings a lot of the gaming features found on the Steam Deck. The desktop version just doesn't have game mode.
The Realtek sound issue has a simple solution. You see, what you're hearing is a leak in the plasma conduits between the tertiary collector and the primary mainfold. If we re-route power to the secondary manifold it should allow us to close off the tertiary conduits and effect repair. The same problem did exist on DS9, but Chief O'Brien was able to use parts from the Rio Grande's secondary injectors to patch the leak and get the station up and running smoothly again. Thanks for exposing the flaw, Realtek!
$230 to upgrade from 16GB to 32GB RAM, with the same storage? Awww, Minisforum thinks they're Apple.
Edit: BTW, video shows the stylus included in a bundle - that deal is over and it's $59 now.
that's like car commercials, show you the limo tint top of line the model racing around and quote the entry level price in bold characters... its the infinite growth mindset that infects the soulless ghouls who make these decisions.
this is standard for most other midrange and higher end laptops
@@marcogenovesi8570It stands out as them clearly abusing the limitations of the form factor. You can ignore the upsell on most laptops when you can replace modules yourself. Their own mini PCs have a price difference of $82 to go from 32GB of RAM to 64GB. DDR5 SO-DIMMs. This isn't designed to be user serviceable, and the RAM is likely soldered on.
It should be $100.
@@blkspade23interesting
Wendell, that's probably the most expensive box cutter I've ever seen... Using the RTX A4000 SFF as a box cutter! I have been waiting to see your review of this tablet! I knew you would end up doing one... Can't wait to see a follow-up with this thing using Linux.
Yes! I was waiting for you to review this!
Been thinking about preordering this, thank you very much for reviewing. Couldn't have come at a better time
I have pre-ordered a V3 tablet. I've been extremely impressed with Minisforum mini PCs, such as the UM780 XTX. I was going to buy a Lenovo Legion Go gaming handheld, to play the games my Steam Deck couldn't, and then saw the V3 early bird offer felt this offered better value when I considered all its other use cases it has as well.
Use the screen for your S. D..
install the deck specific version of bazzite Linux and this becomes identical to a steamdeck even for updates, its literally the same in every way except higher fps on a bigger screen and functional w11 dual boot. its replaced my oled deck.
Yes, please. Test it with linux and let us know everything about it. (specially power management/efficiency) This could very well be my next OTG machine.
I received my May 1 and I sent it back May 3 because it wasn’t working. They still haven’t sent me a replacement device and they keep giving me the runaround! Can’t say it’s been a great experience!
Dam you Wendell. I just mitigated my urge to replace my chuwi hi13 by putting fedora 40 KDE on it, and now it you know .... works; it did not work with windows 10 on it. Now i want this! Why do you always make me want to buy stuff.
Trustworthy and smart people often have that effect!
I've already been considering buying this, just waiting for linux review!
What a time to be alive! 🤣
I saw a Linux review on this. It was somewhat promising, but I believe he had to use some workarounds to get everything to work.
If this can easily work with Linux, I would love to have something like this.
Can the HDMI (?) input be used without shutting down the computer portion?
I honestly pre-ordered it solely based on that review, everything apparently works as expected except the gyroscope/accelerometer but that might be a firmware or driver issue and the volume keys on the side only work with the keyboard attached. At least for me rather minor issues but I wanted to ask them in an email about this.
@@snrd That wouldn't be too bad. I could make a shortcut key to rotate the screen.
What about Linux? Tried any distro?
Video in is insanely awesome
Perfect timing, my Surface Pro 4 is dying. Gonna look into this. Thanks, Wendell!
Bought one on release day, it's amazing. There is a mod available that unlocks VRR from 36hrz-165hrz.
The 8840 actually scores the same as the iPad pro M4 on cinebench both at 20w.
However you can go all the way up to 28W with the stock profile. But you can actually unlock it to use 37w when docked. And you gain an extra 10% in performance.
@@dzibanart8521 link?
one thing i discovered on V3 you can use display as external display and ... keyboard too!
Can you use the included keyboard? Saw a video and the device is powered off. Then removed the keyboard and replaced with a wireless one.
Haha the engine noise, made me think of an opening scene from Lower Decks when they are all trying to hum the sound of the engine and Ransom thinks they have been taken over by aliens or something.
I pulled the trigger the day it was announced. Can't wait for it to ship. Please investigate Linux support. I'm wondering whether it would be fully functional.
wow, the parallax when you were using the pen, also the latency too. I thought I would pick it up when it's on sale, but i think i will wait for the next gen.
On-paper, it has a display-in, which would be great even when the hardware is obsolete, this is such a nice feature.
I think this is one of the only reviews I've seen showing something like that about the pen (I don't have a unit handy yet so I can't really double-check myself), I wonder if it's somehow related to trying it literally just in mspaint instead of a proper drawing program? Unfortunately not too many reviews test the drawing capabilities much either...
@@deathmist_ I think it moreso has to do with the display and touch array itself than the actual pen. I tried drawing in Krita, SAI, and Paintdotnet with a Microsoft Slim Pen, HP Tilt, RENAISSER Stylus, and Metapen- they all had the trailing issue even at 165hz. That, and all the other pens had more line-wobble than the V3 Pen did interestingly enough.
Does AMD’s PCIe-over-USB-C support PCIe AER?
I would really like a follow up video getting linux to run on this, if I were to purchase one I would love to put a linux distro on it.
I would like to see how well the Bazzite-Deck image runs on it.
Had the keyboard been surface book style, maybe even with an eGPU embedded, I would be interested
"Not user serviceable" that's all I needed to hear. I was even browsing the product specification page when I heard that and closed the tab out. Guess I'll stick to laptops for the family gaming machines. Was thinking this was perfect device to help transition my 5yo from tablet games like Minecraft to PC gaming. But with a 5yo if I can't user service it then its not even worth considering for that use case.
2:54 that’s a silicon carbide transistor power brick, that’s why it’s small and awesome, asianometry has a great video on it
This tablet at 20w scores the same as the iPad pro M4 at 20w in cinebench. The power profiles available on the Minisforum app cap at 28W reaching temps of 60°C, but you can actually unlock it even more and go all the way up to 37w with this if you don't mind running your tablet at 80°C, granted those are the temps the handhelds run it at 18w.
The benefits do not scale linearly, but you do get an extra 10-15% performance in scores and fps while gaming. Which is a lot.
I got mine two weeks ago and am loving it. My better half has had a blast drawing on it. We got the preorder 1tb/32gb version with the free stuff. We are loving it. It is ok at aaa games and barely gets warm. My only issue is the kickstand covers air ports. Gonna try manjaro xfce soon unless I find a better touch version of linux. Bottom line is we are probably gonna order a second, don’t want to share. May add an egpu later and a dock to say bye to the desktop.
The kickstand doesn't cover the airports if you use it correctly. You fold the top down, not the bottom out.
@@everalm1Thanx will check that out.
XFCE as a desktop environment probably will be a pretty miserable touch experience (especially since it's stuck on X11 for now and doesn't have a Wayland session allowing for proper fractional scaling etc), look into KDE Plasma 6 or maybe GNOME instead
14:15 that trailing should be software controlled, at least if that's a wacom-like. Most prefer that actually, makes for a much more readable handwriting, for instance. If you look a bit closer, it does not actually trail fully behind your strokes, but act as if the point would have a momentum.
For the folks asking questions around why certain design decisive have been made, such as screen size, screen refresh, USB port selection for V-link etc. There is an interesting RUclips video "Design journey of minisforum v3" just uploaded by an individual who states they aren't an employee but appears to have a good handle on the design path"
It is really cool that the keyboard and track pad work over vlink, but really unfortunate that pen and touch don't.
Love your vids Wendell, would love an ARM version for longer battery life, cooler and quieter hardware, and full power even when not charging.
Well you can wait for the new Surface Pro to be released sometime in June-ish...
Of course you will end up paying...... rather more.
Hell the new keyboard and pen comes to $450 and doesn't come with the SP......
Current pre-order for a 32Gb RAM, 1 TB SSD comes to $2099 plus $450 for the keyboard and stylus plus sales tax, lets say NYC @ 8.875% = $2775.
There is also the point that we are all assuming that the wonderous things that MS promised in their sleight of hand show yesterday is wholly accurate..... 'Cause it's not as if things like battery life and power are ever, somewhat over stated, when it comes to real world usage.... This is coming from someone who has had, over time, an SP 3, 5, 8, SP-X, SPX-2.
It also works with an Aorus gaming box 1070.
I Hope Framework will make a Tablet!
Keep dreaming
With the eGPU can you directly use the video in and not send the video output via USB4?
the VLink is neat and all, but I'd prefer a 3rd (and 4th) USB port. If they can make it so it can be used as both, that would be awesome
I oped for Asus Z13 with 4060 built in.
People are complaining about price when a equivalent surface pro 9 would cost twice the price doesn't include a keyboard and cannot really game at all while the v3 can and also be used as a monitor
If I didn't already have a Surface 6 Pro, which is ok as a travel device I would be very, very tempted.
Good to know windows no longer supports multiple touch screens. As someone that has two touch screens and a Wacom tablet connected to my desktop PC at all times, it is one more reason for me to keep using Linux.
As for the tablet, I do not need one right now but I will keep my eye on Minis Forum. I have been arguing for ages that all tablets should work as a secondary monitor so thumbs up for that. Now, to check all my boxes, 1) they only need to sell a cheaper version with no OS so that a user can install their own OS of choice and 2) state if their digitizer is compatible with Wacom so I can reuse either my S-Pen or another Wacom Pen I already own.
How does the display in work? They advertise it with the sff pc. But like does that mean I can just plug it in and it works? Because I won’t have a spare monitor to configure the sff pc
I have a 65w Anker NanoII power brick that is about that size if not smaller. Does not get hot when charging my Laptop no less. Including one though. Top notch
It's a realtek driver problem, i got the same on a Dell XPS 13
Would be cool if it can run 2 or 3 4k@60hz monitors from one of these USB 4 ports. Does it support DP 2.0 via USB 4?
Linux with virtualization/windows? If so I might be in. How bad is the audio quality?
Pretty annoying that the battery is not user replaceable, love to see the Linux support video?
If you do try a Linux install, can you check battery usage windows vs linux? I bought this and the battery life is very poor. I'll switch over to Linux if it give me better battery life.
I wouldn't mind an FFXIV: Dawntrail benchmark ran :) Been trying to get someone with a V3 to run that benchmark for about two weeks. Which, coincidentally, is just a few days before I actually ordered one for myself. Sadly, Minisforum hasn't shipped it yet :(
Apple uses a lamented screen that puts the stylus closer to the pixels on the display. Makes a HUGE difference. Increases replacement costs though.
This is super cool to see.
However, I feel like they are late to the Tablet party. You have a laptop sized device that has the capability of a phone.
Big tablets are kind of awkward as a 'mobile' device, and if you have a table to put it down on to use, why not have a full blown laptop?
I have used large tablets in the 12-13" range and a 13" laptop that I try to use whenever I don't need a full blown desktop for rendering/processing/gaming. Weight and size are about the same, and the tablet has far too many restrictions to make it useful outside of watching videos. I have used iPad Pro's, Surface Pro's and Go's and they aren't that much smaller than a more capable laptop. Surface Pro comes close but they are quite pricey for what you get (performance wise value).
That said, I need a new 12-13" ish laptop... and this thing looks pretty neat.
3 in one was tablet monitor and laptop i think im sure theres more uses tho
3:30 I think he meant to say "Full size SD Card Slot"
Yeah, I was gonna say, what kinda microSDs have you been handling brother
Not only that, but it's UHS-II so I'm really sad this is unusable on account of the tiny SSD and no user serviceability :(
cool but I bet minisforum couldn't resist putting a backdoor in- that said the conventional market is horrid
Actually on the 2024 iPad Pros you can get a mat or Nano texture finish😅
Tablet that can be used as secondary display? Yes Please!!! Have been looking for this feature for ages... Wireless displays suck..
Excelente. 💯
rgar rubber will go bad in hot climates like in Asia I have seen over and over its sad to find a " sticky" item in the draw if put aside for few months
Why not a Surface instead?
I don't see the details on using the device as a monitor with the "VLink" stuff. I imagine it'll run at the same refresh rate since it would be silly not to, but what sort of response times does it see? If it's reasonable, as a traveling business gamer I could see a world where I daily drive this for business, but then travel with a SFF config desktop for evening gaming hotel entertainment without having to lug around a nice monitor.
Seems it can go up to 120 Hz at the native resolution via VLink with a bit of tweaking (possibly more on lower ones), see Game Tech Talk's Most Unique Feature video
Would love to see blender 4.1 and a compilation workload on Linux :)
Does this tablet allow you to set it to a 120Hz display mode? 165 is a weirdo refresh rate that's not a multiple of 24 or 60, so you'll get uneven pacing when playing videos (something like 3:2 pulldown, but different numbers).
You can set the refresh rate in the settings panel, I assume
Default is 60 Hz and the default "Minisforum Space" management app at least needs you to be plugged in to power to activate 28W+165Hz mode. If other refresh rate options through the panel EDID aren't available you can just use CRU most likely to add those in, people have done that with it in the device DP-in VLink mode
AMD is also working with Microsoft in creating giant scale LLM
The tablet stand is supposed to be folded down from the top, so the vents are exposed.
Q: would Wesley Crusher jailbreak it?
Linux testing. I'd love to see how that monitor pass through magic is treated with Linux on there
I'd read somewhere Apple has the patent on the Surface type stand and licences it to Microsoft
Not user serviceable means it becomes E-waste earlier. On ebay only 3 year old laptops with 8GB soldered RAM sell for well under £200.
Can it run Lightroom?
Add a couple of USB ethernet dongles and install Proxmox.
One for the road :P
one with strix halo please.
How does this linux?
I'd love to see Linux tested on this thing
At the rate that new PCs are "shrinking" I'm hoping to see ultra low power "watch" form factor soon.
Linux tests please 👍
Please collab with GN as in the last collab you said you would do a commercial/enterprise SSD test.
Can you use the keyboard when using the tablet as a monitor?
Indeed you can (apparently also the touchpad should work) as long as it's plugged in through USB-C on both sides with the other device also supporting DP alt mode
Yes.
@@deathmist_ Nice. Thank you.
@@dzibanart8521 Good to hear, thanks.
The word on the street is that Minisforum hired the same guy that designed the Apple Magic Keyboard to design the keyboard on this tablet too!
Luckily the price isn't following in apples footsteps... I hope........
But where was the Copilot button review???? /s
Please, please, please do the Linux testing and report back to us on this thing. I'm really interested in one, but I don't want anything to do with Win11.
It runs Linux already pretty well out of the box on a modern/rolling distribution, check out "A Brief Review of the Minisforum V3 AMD Tablet" by mudkip which with the latest update includes also some workarounds to the known issues (minus no auto-rotate, which I'll definitely dig into once I get my unit)
@@deathmist_ Cool, thanks.
Will it run Linux?
The latency (trail behind actual position of mouse while in use) during drawing is a inherent panel / hardware flaw, nothing related to Windows.
Tablets are notorious for this, they're really far away from the optimal >=1000Hz polling rate. I'd argue this probably isn't even 120hz touch sampling rate.
As to why it's so prevalent, one might assume it's a compromise done for better battery life. I wish they'd allow for altering this when charging for a better drawing experience.
interesting ^^
10-12 inch ?
14in only, this is a productivity device.
@@dzibanart8521 where and when a replacement for miix3 I need.,thx.
ever reviewer struggles to use the stand. its definitely an unique design
You would think an apple should be rotting from the inside out and not a window. I don't know, maybe they are all wooden windows.
Linux!!! Fedora, run podman, test pen.
13:15 PPAP
I've said for years that if I get to be a billionaire - I will make a tablet with 2 M.2 slots, and 4 microsd card slots. Lets not get overly specific, but screw tablets that don't have storage options.
While I like this device, storage limits mean I won't even look at it.
Linux test!
Mac touchpads ackchyually click you. You press on the touchpad, software registers this and "clicks" the actuator against the surface. Sad nobody else does it, probably because apple patented the shit out of it
That's called haptic feedback, and many other track pads do it.
Does it run Crysis? 😂
I really hope this works better than the pile of junk mini PC they sent me, you should see the amount of people having problems with minisforum rubbish, my UM773 would randomly reboot several times a day, there were strange permissions errors appearing in the logs, cant get a straight answer from them and the discord help section is full of people parroting the same fixes that did nothing, and why should I have to fix something bought new just to make it usable, I'm comenting here because it was one of the minisforum mini PC's I saw on your channel that prompted me to get one, what a mistake that was :/ now they want me to send their junk back at my expense.
That crackling shouldn't be there.
Microsoft is crazy with that AI shit. These companies don't care if it doesn't make sense. They're just drudging on trying to cling to infinite growth at any cost. And it'll devour us all
& the tablet keyboard has a copilot button! It’s actual way better than the MSFT surface tablet!
Given the price and their marketing shenanigans where they have a "free gift" and "discounted price" constantly, this definitely seems like an ewaste product to me for the lack of quality.
After Linux, next step is to find a way to hack MacOS onto it...
Over 22 min. in for the most important statement: "Windows is rotting from the inside..."
Never been more true.
WHY THE [_] CAN'T WE GET NORMAL HINGES, SO I COULD PUT THE DEVICE ON MY LAP, THAT WILL NOT BURN MY LAP‽ OR USE IT OCCASIONALLY ON A IMPROVISED TABLE‽