Nord Stream attack: Does the trail lead to Ukraine? | DW News
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2023
- There are new reports that last year's mysterious attack on the Nord Stream gas pipelines may be linked to Ukraine. The Baltic Sea pipelines built to carry Russian natural gas to Germany were badly damaged by underwater explosions last September, increasing tensions over Russia's war. Now, Germany's public broadcaster ZDF and Der Spiegel magazine say they have uncovered fresh clues, which revolve around six men on a rented yacht who are believed to be the saboteurs.
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Germany has Stockholms syndrome making them unable to even utter the name of the actual perpetrator, but they all know.
Maybe it was the guy who threatened to do it? Is that posssible?
The Voldemort Syndrome :|
I am sure it was the same guy who blew up the Finland-Estonia pipeline yesterday, but media seems to be clueless about it.
Taking a small sailboat into the Baltic sea to carry out what would be a technically challenging operation seems very unlikely to me.
kinda thinking that myself. I'm not the smartest man on the planet, but unless you've got evidence that those 6 dudes had some VERY specific training and resources... It's just a boat.
Indeed, if they said a SF unit dropped Depth Charges over the side of a Fishing Trawler on top of the Nordstream Pipeline then I may have believed that.
they could use a uuv with explosives ?
@@PPpaladin Possibly aye. However it seems like a much lower Budget Op than that.
@@bremnersghost948 I don't know how expensive explosives are but wired uuv is quite cheap, my college lab could've 3d print one easily
Um, did he present any evidence or simply state an opinion?
It comes from DW what the anchor reads, which just lines up with other news outlets. You can hear though after his sentences his feeling of hesitation though in his release of air lol. Especially before the video played, but all through. He knows it's bs.
the anchor and the interviewee circle jerked each other's opinions and that's about it. New low for German journalism.
Yeah forensic evidence found traces of the same explosive on the boat as was used in the Nord Stream blast...the boat that was hired by some Ukrainian nationals with diving equipment, reported to sail the region on the same days when Nord Stream blew up....this was mentioned in the video..
exactly.
@@ameyas7726 and who is to say these were not hired by Russia to perform a false flag right before winter in the EU? This was clearly an attempt to dissuade support for Ukraine as they thought the EU would freeze/ suffer with the lack of energy coming in.
Six men on a yacht, sounds like a nursery rhyme. Hickory Dickory Dot, Six Men on A Yacht. No one believes this story.
Everyone knows who did it, but media seems to be clueless about it!! 😂
It starts with a U and end with A 😂😂😂😂 that is a hint I’m going to the media
Even 2yrs kids can say who sabotage pipeline👉 🇺🇸 😂😂
@@jasonbarima8779 Probably report stated U...A, but we do not know what letter it is ... UA - Hey its Ukraine. Maybe that is the reason USA taxpayers send so much to UA. It is almost identical name, confusion?
Oh yeah that convenient big bad bogeyman America who is responsible for everything in the world even the retarded RUclips comments section
USA did it
Why, the heck would the Russians blow up their own pipeline, all they had to do, was turn the valve of and stop pumping
Anyone with a clear brain should reason like you here: If it were Russia, all she needed to do is to turn off the valve, which then can be to blackmail Germany...
Those who "concluded" that bad Putin did it just because from three letter agency says so are likely to suffer from brain fog duty to the so-called v@x against the virus of unknown origin.
No way. I don’t buy that it was done off the back of a small sailboat.
Most unsuspicious, and for expert divers no prob
Im certain this could be conducted in a even smaller craft by a special forces unit from a good military.
And that is the beauty of democracy. When you manage to convince the majority of nonsense, you don't have to worry about what the more thoughtful and informed minority thinks...
@@ivanvaclavu5044 That is the beauty of democracy, that every Dumbhead, Querkopf or Tnfoil Head minority can say whatever they want. Even if this minority is convinced it was the US, against all facts, against all logic.
@@jdl.1234 you skip the deep diving at that deep 80+m with out a degas chamber you get the benz and you die
There are a number of experts that have stated the underwater attack could not be accomplished by diving from a private ship that did not have the necessary infrastructure to provide support for a dive of the type required to sabotage a pipeline. The timing of this "discovery" is a little suspect. I applaud Mr. Gayle in asking the hard questions which basically caused Mr. Schmidt to agree they really do not have any proof who is responsible. BTW, the "explosive" used is common to all military organization world wide.
If you can send a camera down like in the video then it's as easy as that.
"Explosives" still have unique forensic signature that can be traced...that's how they catch terrorists..
Sources please
Everyone in the world knows it was the Amerikkk4n terrorists.😂😂😂😂
@@planet_oithYou can't "just send a camera down" to 130M . A GoPro on a string wouldn't make it. If you've got commercial equipment that's another story.
To do a job like that, from a 15 meter sailboat seems impossible.
Diving at 80 meter, requires diving gear that don’t fit on a 15 meter sailboat. Working at 80 meter, even way more gear.
Just the amount of explosives, needed to do the job, is unlikely to be carried by a sailboat of that size. Those explosions was huge, enough to be picked up by seismology instruments.
Sound travel faster, wider and louder underwater and sonar equipments are highly sensitive.
The fiving gear with helium-oxigene gas was on board as well. The suspects fleed to Ukraine.
The very reason that this project was in the Baltic, was because Gas used to travel through Ukraine, but Russia accused Ukraine of stealing it's gas.
Probably done with US help, who had a military exercise in the area at time.
WTF are you on about? You need a mixed gas scuba rig.
Its a few tanks. And you need maybe a 10kg device at most. the pipe is 3cm thick.
What is it with these 'experts' who think you need a commercial saturation diving rig to recreational dive a wreck, and enough explosives to take out a city to blow a pipe?
that particular one is rated at 6 tons @@burgi6236
DW is the German equivalent of Pravda.
It’s was the U.S. Blind Freddy could see that. They had the means and motive.
Both Biden and Nuland would agree
Always have been.
Germany new who did it but will keep their eyes closed
America did it and the Germans still put on knee pads for Biden
Germany has elections coming year. 25% will vote far-right AfD, save a lot of useless "support" for our ukrainian "friends".
The sailing vessel has already been absolutely ruled out by undersea explosives experts as having any role in the pipeline explosions. Why are these journalists back pushing a dead-end idea?
If you say something enough times it becomes the truth, or at least indistinguishable.
Exactly, this is just an attention grab. The interviewee did not provide any real proof, just vague mentions of “hints”.
Everyone in the world knows it was the Amerikkk4n terrorists.😂😂😂😂
They are Russian's proxies believing that they can convince Germans to not help Ukraine.
Money
At 80 meters of water, any diver would have to be put into a decompression chamber after a dive into that depth. That small yacht couldn't have had a decompression chamber on board (too small)
or breathe a helium mix.
You sure about that? I'm no expert on the topic but when I did some reading I felt it seemed like it wasn't actually that difficult at all as some "experts" claimed it would be. It would recuire using other than typical air (I think what is called a "technical dive with helium etc) but that isn't so special that many military divers from almost any countries could not easily pull it off. They don't need to stay there for hours, the explosives would only need to weight something like 15kg so easy to transport and probably could be set up in a short time by people with prior training in the military.
@@cyberfunk3793 you probably didn't read the story well, because apparently there was over 500 kg of explosive used! How on earth do you think they got that huge amount of explosive's down there so quick!
@@klauskainzinger9978where did it say they used 500 kg explosive? Lol.
@@cyberfunk3793 except ukraine doesn't even have a navy let alone such expert divers.
Germany and Japan are not independent countries. They are ancillaries of United States. The governments in both countries don’t act on behalf of their own citizens.
OK Kremlin bot if you say so.
@@JigilJigil OK Washington DC bot if you say so.
What plain misinformation. I'm getting really disgusted with news reports out of germany lately.
Lots in Germany bought and paid for with russian money, for years.
why now? because it is not what you want to hear? I never heard anything said about misinformation in regards to non-west interests. double standard, anyone?
@@japjungho4645 Why now? Don't know.
But I watched the video and recognized the leading questions without basis typical of misinformation. This was misinformation planted as an opinion news interview.
They get paid for this
@@ionnanskilliorus6877you can do more better than this ignorant
US: hay Ukraine we need a scapegoat
Ukraine: why?
US:this is a price for sending you weapons, Cash and everything else
US: and also the counter offensive that I planned didn't work... its been months you cant even reach the 1st major fortification
Ukraine has Russian gas pipelines running through Ukraine that still pump gas through them. You don't think they would start by blowing them up?
Absolutely not. Ukraine would want to keep the pipelines they have some control over and benefit from, and get rid of the pipelines that circumvent them. I'm not weighing in on the story at all, just laying out the incentive structure for Ukraine in this matter in contrast to your comment.
They get rent for that.... So it's a cashcow which they won't blow up
It would be too much on the nose. But I agree with above commenters on the incentives as well.
The royalties Ukraine gets are far too small as compared to what Russia makes from selling the gas..if the idea is to choke Russia, it would have made sense to blow up these pipelines too..like the sanctions to Russia, which are a bunch of hypocrisy.. only apply to what doesn't backfire to shoot your own foot. Watch the end of the war and all these mega groups, Russian and Western, sit down to scavenge on what's left of Ukraine..
@@Neo.555the only pipeline remaining is through Ukraine. Nor stream 1 was not through Ukriaine so not sure what you are talking about. Gas and oil still flows through Ukraine from Russia.
just as mysterious as Prigozhin's death
It's that sea border that Ukraine has on the Baltic that makes this a "slam dunk".
But in one case it was Biden and Putin in another.
Whoever did it, did a damn good job.
Now that's a real special military operation.
This is why the world is dumping away from the west because you people are evil, now u can see how the Germans are suffering but you don't have sens
@@sarjokujabi9730Seriously. Look at how absolutely sociopathic westerners have become in just a few years.
Here here! 🏆
Yeah, the single largest act of economic sabotage of the Germany economy and source of the largest single release of greenhouse gases in all documented history was a "damn good job" 🙄🤦🏾♂️
Well said
And they certainly did Germany a favor even if Germany isn't willing to admit it
And ( IF ) Ukrainians are behind it good job on them after all it's justified cutting Russia's billions in earnings it saves lives
This isn't new, it's been reported before and dismissed due to technical difficulties
Its a heliox scuba dive - many people are trained to do it. Would only need a few kg of HMX.
You dont need a commercial saturation diving rig for 80M
just russia getting desperate and trying to cut support for Ukraine by spreading stuff
Ahhhh back to the 6 Ukrainian nationals on a yacht……. Again…….. lmao
And add "Without knowledge from the countries commander in chief"
This are just journalists fishing for a story. The explosion damage is massive, experts suggesting something like 500kg of explosive PER SITE. So more than a ton of boom.
How on earth should this be transported and hauled underwater to 70m of depth from a sail yacht by a handful of dudes in scuba gear?
The explosions were overkill. If this was a few guys they would have kept it to the minimum needed.
I think it's worse I think they or at least some of them are bought.
That is just utter nonsense. I saw some military diver comment that it would require about 15kg of explosives only. He said it would be difficult though and that only a small number of experts on the planet could do it. When I did further reading that was bs also, it's not that special of a dive at all and pretty much any military divers from any country could do it as they don't need to be at the depth for very long to set it up. It could easily be as simple as one team gets the explosives to the bottom and start assembly, stays there for some 10 to 15 minutes and another team finishes it of if the first team can't do it in time. My friend was a demining diver in the navy and even he told me that they used these helium and other mixtures regularly to dive to deeper depths so it's not really that impossible as someone might tell you. Only the depth is a problem, but if you do it fast it can be done.
@@cyberfunk3793 It does not matter how much was required to destroy it, the amount used was in the hundreds of KG range!
@@thedausthed Yeah I don't buy it unless I see some peer review of actual experts that have done such things in the military somewhere many times. I think the explosives just pierced the pipe around it in multiple places and pressure of the pipeline itself did most of the damage after that.
@@cyberfunk3793 There is a big difference between how much it WOULD require and what was actually used. The sea floor has received a sizeable depression as seen in the footage, for that you need a dang large explosive.
That is why the scuba diver approach seems unlikely as they would have used the lightest possible and as you say, there are far smaller explosives that could do the job.
Utter speculation. Maybe, could be. Bring hard evidence or keep quiet.
So because the only factory producing HMX is in Tennessee, Germany is pointing to Kiev ? 😅
Some investigations are better let alone...
Forensic signature of the explosive used in the Nord Stream blast was matched to the explosive traces of the same found in the boat hired by Ukrainian nationals with deep diving equipment on board..
Correction, there is only one manufacturer of HMX in the US and that is in Tennessee. HMX is also produced in India - Andhra Pradesh to be exact, at three facilities. That would be the same India that has been buying a lot of Russian crude oil and is part of BRICS. I think Der SS Piegel has a problem with Ukraine - in a racial sort of way.
Everyone in the world knows it was the Amerikkk4n terrorists.😂😂😂😂
HMX is widely used and there are countries with stockpiles of it all over the world. It is not like it was only produced yesterday. It is not like it is only produced in the USA. Not sure where you got that idea?
Remember when it was definitely, definitely Russia?
...and it is...
@@poulnrgaard7820 mmmm, you seem to have insider knowledge. Do you work for the Kremlin? 😉
Stop lying to us
So will Germany invoke NATO article 5 and declare war against Ukraine? 😅
The attack was neither on the territory of Germany nor on any German property. What does Germany have to do with it? 100% of the pipeline belongs to Russia, which was one of the hurdles hindering it from entering into operation.
@@georgewashington1621 German critical infrastructure + it's Danish territory (EU)
@@adsfwef1331 No, its not German critical infrastructure, because for an infrastructure to be critical it has to either be on the territory of the state or be owned by the state. Germany And what does Denmark have to do with Germany? If you want to argue that Denmark can invoke article 5 - i would agree. But not Germany.
@@georgewashington1621 NordStream 1 was also bombed with Nordstream 2. NordStream 1 is 49% EU owned, including Germany. I don't understand how European leaders can tolerate this. A bunch of spineless US puppets.
Oopsie thou shall not utter such words of truth.
I had to laugh at this woodentop presenter when he said that “some people are even looking at the United States as being responsible” 😂😂😂
It would've been in their interest AND he US had been against the pipeline before so I wouldn't rule anything out.
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 russia gains the most, since it allows them to avoid paying fines for breaching their gas contacts
@@ZoragRingael Doubt they cared about the fines - what's Europe going to do if they didn't pay, freeze their foreign reserves and implement sanctions? Oh wait ... lol contractual obligations already violated left and right with all the sanctions ... turning off the gas is just part of the same tit for tat.
@@ZoragRingaeldude, europe has been enjoying discount prices for gas from Russia for decades, paying a fine…you believe that? We talking Russia here not Luxembourg, with all due respect.
@@MrVoraXe what do you mean "believe"? You need to learn how business works in general and how gas supply contracts are formulated in particular.
This theory has been widely debunked by experts in the field, the real question I have is why is DW parroting misinformation?
I'd like to read these rebuttals. Link?
So far I've seen no debunking of this possibility
@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdgdont know which country u are from but in my national (sweden) media its been widely reported that our navy observed russian ships in the area.
And if you search for it you will find a doc about russias scientistic ships just being a cover for the military/intelligence of russia. It was realesed this year so should be easy to find.
google Scott Ritter and Colonel Macgregor around the time Seymor Hersh wrote the article claiming it was US during Nato manuvers.@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg
@@The_Stef read more.
Western media 😂😂
Leave it alone, Germany. You may not like what you find.
Nah if Ukrainian ordered it there will be problems
Other investigators have pointed fingers to Russia, Poland and EVEN United States 🤣🤣🤣🤣
you left out UK
Whoever did it, did the right thing. We don't need Shitstream anyway.
America did it and the Germans still put on knee pads for Biden
Who is we?are you normal 😅😅
@@cuc6410 it's a bot
Russia had already shut it down, was using it as a blackmail chip, but Germany was already going to sanction the gas so it would not have functioned during the war anyway and I doubt it would have re-opened after the war unless Russia changed its regime.
@@davidhowse884 I was just in Germany Allah will soon rule the weaklings ..
Damn DW!! The quality of content being released these days is abysmal.
The truth is uncomfortable.
Some journalists have good connection to german security services.
And the german public wants to know special "friends" we have.
Communist Spegel !
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_WursteinlageThe truth can be uncomfortable but this story is on the level of the story line of a bad action movie. You know one of those that has holes in the story big enought that you can fit an elefant in them.
Why would a commando team not clean up any leads? Why not burn down and sink the sailboat if it really was used in that operation?
If they had sunk/destroyed the sailboat the investigations would've started months earlier. At least that is the explanation the Spiegel article gave for that.
This way no one even suspected a sailboat at first. And then it took a lot of time to narrow down the search to Andromeda, because there were at least hundreds of suitable sailboats available in the southern Baltic Sea.
Everynody knows it is Americans who did it. Everybody knows except thr MSM. The west blocked independent investigation at the UN giving you a clear cause to believe who is doesn't want to be know to have done it.
@@Ergu3722 i dunno, sailboats burn and sink all the time. And even if investigation started earlier, there would be nothing to investigate though. Makes sense to me. Also wouldnt a commando team supported by the whole country be able to source a yacht that could later be taken to Ukraine to deny access to investigators? Couldnt they buy a yacht instead of renting?
Lots of strange things happen during wartime. I can think of many incidents from WW1 and WW2 which are still the subject of debate and for which no consensus has been established. So I guess this story will run and run
many narratives favor the winners, very unknown for instance: US decided no not prevent the h*aust
Will it trigger WWIII?
The US did it.
@@jam6636 russia did it to avoid paying for breaching its gas contracts
@@user-xl7fc7wd2r
perhaps WW4-----are you mentally afraid of a NAME?--The war is happening NOW ---is it easier for you if you don't call it WW3?
with friends like these, you don't even need enemies.
Sounds like you need more "friends"
Sometimes friends make you do hard things, that you would not do on your own.
@@manfredconnor3194like chopping off your limbs
Obviously not so friendly, our Ukrainian "friend". Germany should stop all support, we demand these three suspcious guys who flled back to Ukraine.. No please and no thanks, Zelensky.
@@Kartoffelsuppe_m_Wursteinlage If if it were the Ukrainians, I think they did a favor to Germany. Blowing up that pipeline saved everyone from months and months of trying to decide whether or not to stop buying gas from ruzzia. When the means of delivery were gone, the "decision" was easy.
Germany never should have built that pipeline and the dependency on Putin.
Germany is a sovereign country and has every rights to do business with any country.
German taxpayers paid billions to build Nord Stream 2...Germany is even facing recession for Ukraine....What right did Ukraine have to unilaterally blow it up?.....especially when Russia had already shut down the gas supply...imagine the environmental fallout if they had not..
@@crumcon Germany is not sovereign. German is our little bi-atch. USA says jump and Shultz barks and says “how high zaddy!? Lol
That’s why 70% of German does not support supplying Ukraine.
@@crumcon We think they are part of EU and they should listen the Eastern Europe and Northern countries as well . Or Germany is in EU only for their own benefits and dealing with criminals from Russia. Maybe that suits better for Germany as they remind us of WW1 and WW2 .
@@user-ek9go3kf2wStill guilt tripping Germany over 80-100 year old conflicts? 😂
😂 what a load of bollocks. It was the Americans
Well... that was a pretty vague ramble.
What b/s......
Much more plausible than russia blowing it up if you think about it
110 meter dive requires a 2 hr decompression time, not very tactical to float around in the sea for 2 hrs after setting explosives or do you suspect a decompression chamber on that sailing yacht? Sounds like 🐴 💩to me.
What person in the entire world would have the authority and power to order Europe to keep their mouth shut about this
Its like Japan keeps silent about Hiroshima
The leader of the best country? Whatever country that is, I'd love to be part of it. It sounds powerful and influential.
USA did it! As Biden promised .
Fart
I don't think so, but as an American, I hope so.
OK kremlin bot if you say so.
A politician that keeps his promises. Hats off to him!
and why everyone is ignoring the nordic journalists report about russian boats making rounds in the area
Because they have no motive.
It is not Germany's agenda to do that and beside that they are the most contributors to Russian power and technology that helped Russia to attack Ukraine . They are looking for a reason to not help Ukraine enough following rather a second agenda with Russia from behind. In an European power I would not rely on Germany. Germany and Russia are countries that believes in military power as their history demonstrate that .
@manfredconnor3194 the 2nd one never opened and the first was shutdown due to sanctions. Who knows what was in Putin's mind at that time?
@manfredconnor3194 exactlt. This one is 100% ukraine, usa, germany, poland.. let's fess up to it and be proud of the fact that we can hit russia any day we want.
@@manfredconnor3194 Russia was in violation of its contracts as it shut down gas deliveries. Over months this will generate an enormous debt. An unexplained explosion is force majeure and frees Russia from its obligations.
It also is a nice scare for western countries, given how much infrastructure is vulnerable to that.
As a matter of fact NO, it does not lead to any failed and terrorist state like Ukraine. It actually leads to Britain, USA and probably some other NATO countries.
I am sure it was the same guy who blew up the Finland-Estonia pipeline yesterday, but media seems to be clueless about it.
@@Whatda25 Indeed.
All of a sudden everyone on RUclips are experts in deep sea diving 😂😂😂
The U.S likely blew the pipeline. Ukraine does not have the expertise and sophisticated equipment to carry out such an operation.
If Ukraine did it, why did they leave one of the NS2 lines operational? And why blow it up when the gas had already stopped? All it did was save Russia from paying the fines associated with stopping the gas flow.
The same Russia that is under thousands of sanctions, with hundreds of billions of its foreign reserve already frozen and about to be confiscated, will blow up their billions-worth investment and their biggest leverage against Europe, just to avoid fines?? Jesus, some of you people are so ret@rded, it's unbelievable
It would have cost twenty- thirty million to hire some contractors to so something like this, and got done, and as we have seen, very little solid evidence has turned up to date. So it wasn't any of the maybe dozen diving vesels that might have been there- although there are reports about what was described as a Russian dive operation a short ways away; I wouldn't want to dive to 80 meters to work hard after swimming a few miles at all.
…I’m sure the fines you mentioned cost a lot less than having to rebuild your own pipeline, ya nufty.
@@52BLUE You need to do a little research; those fines for non delivery were a by the day thing and could easily total hundreds of millions by the time Russia got through game playing. That clause in the contract was a lot of what gave Chancellor Merkle the belief in it at all as well as some quieting among various populaces.
@@fredericrike5974 I’m not even going to entertain the idea that Russia did this. The cost of the pipeline, the power they lose with the loss of the pipeline. The only thing they had to use for leverage with Europe. You’re telling me they’d give all that up because of fines? Please. Go away.
It seems plausible that Ukraine acted on behalf of the United States. Given that now many European nations are importing LPG from USA at 5 times the Russian price.
I am going to go all out and say it was Homer Simpson, who done it ,because …Why, the heck would the Russians blow up their own pipeline, all they had to do, was turn the valve of and stop pumping 😀😀😀
If Russia even wanted to they would blow up the pipe much closer to the Russias territory
I'd be more interested in hearing the findings one by one. Rather than this kind of speculation. Like how exactly are they linking it to Ukraine? I feel like I learned nothing from this video.
As stated in the video, he is a journalist. Journalists work for journals and magazines and write articles to make a living.
Buy Der Spiegel and read his Article.
I'm not sure if you watched the video. Mid video they talk about evidence that the crew found to be the ones who did were in Ukraine. It's currently an active investigation, so we will not have details right away. But some information has been let out to the open..
@@themercedestraveler9566 USA did it.
@@fredgarvinMP maybe! Maybe an american-ukrainian joint operation.
@@themercedestraveler9566 Ukraine doesn't have the expertise and would be in the way.
Most of the comments which say "good work" are not from Germany.
East Germany?
Lets hope Ukraine had nothing to do with this
I would hope not. I consider this an attack on Germany. It put Germany and large portions of Europe at risk from the effects of a harsh winter. Luckily it was a mild one. Only Germany and Russia have any right to have done this.
Die jetzt noch lachen, werden in einiger Zeit nicht mehr lachen.
The German government was actually punished, the firms that were almost done constructing the Russian pipelines had to stop the work or they were threatened with massive fines, and I mean massive daily fines if they dared to complete that pipeline. And those actions, stopping the construction was under direction of firms that were influenced from America. That was not just a little sandbox game and it was obvious. The biggest of the biggest were involved in that. American government entities that represented America were in Germany and they threatened with such fervor one could only imagine: wow, this is big money here, big money. It seems strange to continue bringing a small vessel in connection. When just months before big business, and I mean big business was getting involved and threatened the German government.
A HORRIFIC interviewer! He kept asking the same thing over and over! Any guess as to what narrative he was pushing? Typical dense & biased interviewer. After the guest said several times that there are no direct links to OFFICIAL Ukraine, he asked, "How would Kyiv benefit from sabotaging..."
The obvious lack of interest of the “mainstream media” exposes who’s at fault here.
So if this is true will Germany end support of Ukraine, recall their ambassadors and make demands for compensation?
This Ukraine we taking about, Zelenskyy keep lying but we give them free pass because Russia invade them .
America did it and the Germans still put on knee pads for Biden
Scholz doesn't have a spine, so no.
this is preparation for when the German colonial power USA decides to ditch Ukr. soon
Didnt Biden more or less brag about doing it?
Yep and pulitzer prize journalist seymor hersh claims to have the proof. He exposed Tonkin Gulf and Abu Grahib . He does not make wild claims without reliable sources but no one wants to interview him. strange?
How many cow farts and burps does that explosion and leakage constitute?
Here is my opinion: Whenever it is said "link to Ukraine", it would probably be more accurate to say "link to Ukraineans". Meaning some Ukrainean people.
There is a great difference in the damage to the 3 damaged pipes: Near Bornholm, it is said a small directional charge is used, and the ends of the pipe is right next to each other, nothing of the pipe missing. This is suggested carried out from the yacht.
The 3 other explosions near Sweden (80 km away), are a much different story. There about 40 meters of the pipe is missing, suggesting a much stronger charge being used. This is hardly accomplished from the yacht.
This leads me to believe the in all 4 explosions are not carried out by the same entity. I think it has been done by 2 teams, with vastly different equipment. This may also explain why 2 explosions in the same pipe. This may have been a mistake, because this leaves 1 of the pipes completely undamaged.
It is odd to have 4 sets of explosives available, and then just damage 3 pipes.
And by the way, not all Unkraineans are 100% supportive of the Ukranian government with president Zelensky. Some are supporting/can be bought by another government, which may indeed be the real sponsor. Perhaps they are the same sponsor/perpetrator of the explosions near Sweden...
Any sources where one can get the facts and mentioned evidence? There is a lot of on plate and very vague answers to have this on global DW channel ..
Google Spiegel's loooong article "Investigating the Nord Stream Attack". It is much more detailed and worth the read.
If Ukraine carried out an attack using skills they don't have pretty impressive.
Clickbait Rubbish! Rock Rachon interviewed the prior commander of Seal Team 6, who said it is totally impossible to do this from a small sailboat.
It’s the USA mate!!
Breaking news, Germany blew its own pipeline - 😂
Well, it was well known that the Pipeline faced a lot of adverse reactions from some European countries as well as the US before it was completely done. Even to the point where the construction firms stopped working on it right before completion. To me it always seemed a capitalistic move.
Some European countries and especially the US government did not believe in the pipeline, citing the possibility that the gas supply would later be used to control European countries and could be used as a way to terrorize other countries by withholding gas. There was a whole lot of hoopla about the pipeline should not be finished because Russia would use it against countries. Besides it is also well known that fracking gas was supposed to be delivered to Germany instead of the Russian gas.
i knew it, these cunning germans!!! :D
99% it was the yanks
You mean "The Yank government" the people were lied to.
"Russia" that makes no sense, they could just switch it off. I'd be more suspicious of Ukraine even, with US assistance.
If it was Ukraine I would be impressed.
The Baltic Pipe from Norway through Poland opened like the next day after the attacks. Coincidence?
Does it matter? That should have been the source for Europe anyhow. But Poland gets the profit instead of Germany, and the revenue stays in Europe instead of financing Putin's Army.
@@slartybarfastb3648 Yes it matters. Just because America has been feeling like burning down Europe's neighbourhood for the last twenty years does not mean Germany shouldn't make its own, financially sound, decisions.
@@univeropa3363 So you prefer Russia get Europe's energy expense instead of Poland and Norway?
@@univeropa3363 Russia is the one burning Europe
yes
the decision to build the Baltic pipeline happened even before Crimea rejoined Russia
DW, nice attempt to convince your subscribers in this BS story. Let´s see what the next winter brings to them. Try better!
Can you at least provide some arguments as to why you think it is a BS story?
Theyre doing thei job, your complaint may as well be a compliment. Lots seem to be wating it up too, sadly.
Can we stop pretending the Navy SEALs didn't do this?
I think it was the US. After all, they announced that they would end the pipeline. I think the yacht is just a diversion.
OK kremlin bot if you say so.
Oh wow what a surprise. I thought Putin did it
Well it kinda absolved gasprom from paying compensation for turning the spigot off, what they did before the pipe's destruction.
@@fandzejka9540yep, it’s been a while and people forget what was going on politically in the background….How these divers went down 80m to plant explosives is what I’d like them to explain 🤔. Just dropped the explosives down over the edge on a rope I guess 😂
@@fandzejka9540 Imagine the environmental fallout if Gazprom had not shut down the gas in the pipeline when it was blown up..
@@dingoeatswolf3663 Deep divers can easily dive to 100-200 meters...world record is some 300 meters (~1000 feet)
@@ameyas7726 it is not that simple. And the environment is the last thing to care about during war.
You would need specialist equipment beyond a private boat to blow up a pipeline, this deep down. I doubt Ukraine has the capability to do so. A bit surprised by DW's quality of content, the information provided is very vague.
Some 80 meter long ropes with weights and explosives. I'm pretty sure I can do it alone
LOL you need a mixed gas scuba rig and 10k of explosives you drop to ascend. Technical but not something a trained private individual couldnt manage, let alone any state.
@@mycosys 10k explosives? what, you do know it´s only 3 cm thick pipe. Not a bunker
and an Abrams tank is only 4 inches, @@tuff9486 - also i dont know if you know this but explosives dont go off on their own, they generally come with some sort of timer and case, so you can get them to where you need them safely and not be there when the bang happens.
The point is also it isnt some enormous mass you couldn't carry, so if you say you could do it with 1kg, whatever, it makes no practical difference.
@@JasperKlijndijkI thought the same right from the beginning, but in this forum I thought it useless to mention. We have already seen how a Swedish journalist sent a camera down there powered by a cable. Lowering directional explosives down there, may be attached by the camera, and good bye gas pipe. The explosion near Bornholm is quite different (no pipe missing) than the other explosions near Sweden, where 40 meters of the pipe is gone. That's why the explosions are carried out by 2 totally different teams.
A sail boat without proper equipment to work in 80 meters of water? Not likely.
I have work with gas pipe. It is possible to do it from disstance. So if you control a pipe you can shoot a football and can let it stop where you want. So it is from both sides possible to blow a pipe. We did it to check if there was a leak in the pipe.
Yep, pigging a pipe. What gets me is the ones saying +500kg to blow the pipe??? Why, when 25kg molded over the top would sever the pipe? Oh well.
The fact that this news site is willing to ask the hard questions & even allow the alternative to the narrative is amazing to me. Credit to DW for their work on this.
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The alternative? The narrative? Care to elaborate on those if you’re handing out credits?
Narrative in the U.S. is that Russia did it, hands down. Alternative theory is that U.S. or a U.S. trained group from Ukraine did it to blame Russia. I've not hear the alternative on a TV network being the U.S.@@52BLUE
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RU troll being happy DW touting pro-Russian line...
Lol this is too good. Now they're going to blame it on their proxy.
Not likely. Why would Ukraine go out of its way to do this. Why are German journalists still back pedalling this notion is the real question.
@@user-ul3hk6hf2e u know we can see you latest comments right?
Obv russian bot
We used the power of conjecture and jumping to conclusions without actual provable evidence after first starting with a conclusion and narrative we wanted to promote........ What a load of total 💩 for readership.
Japan did it
Pearl Harbor of the North Sea you mean??? 🤪
First of all, HMX is used in lots of military munitions, not only as an explosive but as a propellant. The Baltic Sea is a graveyard of old munitions from multiple wars and has been a dumping ground of old munitions. As well as a military target range for NATO, Warsaw PAC, and Russian Federation Forces since the end of Word War II.
It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that traces of MHX could be found all over the Baltic. It's really stable at cold temperatures needing heat to ignite.
whoever did it understands plausible deniability, which says a lot.
in the absence of proof, make up a story- standard Kremlin/GOP method@@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.
I live on the Baltic coast. Could I have HMX on me?
@@Pierluigi_Di_Lorenzo where would you even look for it? how long would it take you to obtain enough usable explosive material from post-soviet military scrap heaps, assuming these are not completely restricted areas, to blow up a modern piece of advanced infrastructure like the nordstream pipeline?
@@T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.The first place I would look for it is under my armpits.
Initially I thought Russia did it. Now that the west is blaming Ukraine it looks more likely that this was a NATO job.
West isn't blaming Ukraine. More like russia is getting desperate and trying to cut support for Ukraine by spreading such news pieces
Now everyone knows when main stream media tells a lie.
Heros all. Weened Germany off cheap piped gas. SLAVA Ukraine !
And now they are buying expensive gas. They should thank ukraine for this?
-if it was Ukraine, then I’m impressed
-but I still don’t see the smoking gun
It's an open investigation... it's not public
Only USA and NATO has ability for carrying out the mission.
The facial expressions of the interviewer are on a level of an alien .
I kept saying "Blow up the pipeline already." They finally listened.
They still get paid because gas flows through Ukriane to Russia. So what they did is wanting to benefit themselves and have monopoly but still Russia earns by that. It only hurt European countries.
@@olivka7560 The Orc bot has spoken.
Olav Scholz is blackmailed by the US.
If it proves to be true, I think a firmly worded letter of protest would be in order.
My money is on the us
Russia would not endanger own infrastructure
They are just to prideful about this stuff and the fact they commented and wanted to see who it is
Well
And Biden even said nordstream would end
So there is that
OK kremlin bot if you say so.
Utterly ridiculous. I call as my first witness: President Joe Biden.
Now USA want to use Ukraine as a scapegoat 😂
all one has to do is traw a line, hook some part of the pipline infrastructure,, slip a charge down that line, and leave.
I suspect substandard pipe joint welding is the real cause of gas leaks...
I like this theory
The pipeline has explosive damage and residue… also 4 areas were targeted
So what is the new evidence?
right, all this report and no evidence, just your regular scaremongering for German interests
You heard it. He said “new evidence”. Lol
I was thinking the same thing.
Amazing all the armchair experts on here. They have about the same level of credible evidence as the "investigative" hack.
I don't know what you did last summer???
I still don't know what you did last summer???
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This is a joke right. There is no technical way that a small boat could carry the equipment needed to do the job whatever the paper trail that has been invented to show who was on it. I guess the summer silly season is not quite over yet.
You only need a bomb. What did you think they use? Spaceship?
From the litany of comments blaming a list of countries & individuals, it seems that even the least bit of technical details are not worth considering.
Right, prighozin was an accident too
But the absurd notion that Russia destroyed their own pipeline (hurting themselves financially) which they could just have turned off, combined with the fact that Russia asked for an open investigation, done by impartial investigators, the west rejected an open investigation!
Come on, be logical ... Russia DID not do this.
@@bulthaosen1169 They used a shaped charge that required divers fitting it to be at a depth requiring decompression. The yacht did not have a decompression chamber. All of the surface vessel Russian assets seen in the area at the time were large enough to carry such equipment. Another nation state could also have done it with a submarine. The yacht is likely fabricated evidence for the newspapers to get interested in.