Is Yahweh a Terrorist? (with Dr. Joshua Bowen)
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- At the release of his new book on the Old Testament, Dr. Joshua Bowen joins us for a necessary conversation about the true nature of the biblical god.
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It frightens me that so many terrorists use religion as a reason for their murderous intent. It also serves to strengthen my atheism.
Same. It certainly makes it easier for theists, but at the same time I can't help but think the people that do this would find another way to justify there actions if religion wasn't such a low hanging fruit as a goto.
As a veteran of a sectarian war in Iraq, and someone that was garrisoned in 'Dixie', it's obvious to me that you're 'only' being rational. Religion can turn people into animals, or even worse.
@@americanadreaming Thank you for your service...from a brit who also served, but in much earlier conflicts...same part of the world though.
@@xXevilsmilesXx it's a lot easier to harm folk if you think it's what your perfect loving god wants...
Evil folk will do evil things, to get good folk to do such harm, simply add religion.
Amen. 😁
My own definition of "Terrorist" is someone that uses Terror/Fear to achieve their goals. Yahweh would definitely fit that definition no matter how much he/she/it "Loves Us."
You'd better love him,or else!
god loves you so much that he created he'll, just incase you don't love him back
@@robmorcette4894 Gasp! Why that’s downright psychotic. Good point.
Jup, I mean abusive parents are still abusive even if they "do it out of love". Intentions do count for something, but not much if the harm of the actions outweigh them so much.
It's an abusive relationships
One that uses fear, mass violence and genocide as the means of furthering ones cause, and indeed claims it is for the greater good of all, certainly seems to fit the criteria for being called a terrorist.
The Ancient Egyptian, Hindus, Chinese,Aztec etc understood the science of the universe and built their civilization around it.
The Romans, Christians ,Muslims, Communists etc understood the science of Mind Control and built their civilization around it
Billy Carson
4biddenknowledge.
Old testament and Quran are basically glorifying and deitised inferior thoughts and low actions
FEAR is the absence of love
FEAR God?
FEAR stress anxiety creates dark negative energy shaytan lives off dark negative energy energy vampire
God has comrades and claims only love
Shaytan has slaves and demand strict obedience
Rabindranath Tagore
Indian noble laureate
Or evil villain god
The problem is these people don't know what they're talkin about, look in the book every bit of the people God is commanding Israel to kill, they are all Nephilim in the English at calls them the Giants,
Apparently they are The Offspring of the angels from Genesis 3 15, every bit of the book is based on removing them
@@robertmitchell8630
And Elvis is alive and living in Colorado.
😂😂😂😂
Josh is exactly right. For Christians, inserting Yaweh adds a layer of special pleading. Populations from almost all oppressive regimes do the same. Justify why their guy gets a pass.
So just like the MAGA crowd with Donald Trump! Well, You can't throw a phony god in jail, but much to Trump's disadvantage, he's a human being, and a greatly defective one.
All my needs are met,I don't pray.if I did need something, I'd work at getting it, an entity can't be depended on to give me nuffin...except spellin skills.
Just a week ago or so there was a guy interviewing Trumpists.
Their guy got a pass on everything, any Dem? Lock them up.
It is all special pleading.
The Christian is given a pass while publicly insulting intelligence with suggestions progress is made with one foot in fantasyland. God help us they get elected like the Orange-Jesus.
@@homoerectus744 you are right in all cases except one, and that one entity is Logic, the one true God. You could not possibly reason properly or know work ethic from laziness (or order from chaos) without this one who makes x=x and who very realistically, logically, and actually makes us be us (providing logical consistency to all logical concepts).
The true Hashemite is the true Logician/Philosopher.
If someone has an invisible friend named "Bob" or "John," that person is considered "crazy," but if a person has an invisible friend named "Jesus" or "God," it's perfectly normal.
And that’s why mental health is so messed up. If you hear god talking to you you’re either having an oral hallucination or you’re actually hearing god. How can a believer claim they know what’s really god’s voice in a person’s mind and which is mental illness or as some also claim the devil deceiving?
@@trishayamada807 that's not an indication that mental health is messed up. That's because religion is so mental. 🤣
@@ResearchThis that’s what I meant but you missed the point. Religion is harmful for mental health care. How can you teach people they can hear god’s voice and it’s normal but another person is called mentally ill for hearing god’s voice?
@@trishayamada807 I asked my mom this, about how you tell the difference between something caused by mental illness and something caused by supernatural forces (she's a nurse who works with brain injury patients and also went to an Assemblies of God church for a number of years). couldn't get a clear answer as I recall, and that's kind of scary
@@qwertydog9795 my mother was in psychiatry for 38 years and she’s religious. She would just say if it was good things it’s was god, bad things the devil. But they couldn’t say that to patients.
The gorefest genocide in the Bible is why I read it more as a sword and sorcery or grimdark fantasy novel.
Wonder if your actually right lol. Isn't God actually EVIL
These people are ignorant, the Bible's talking about the removal of the Giants in the Hebrew text they are referred to as the Nephilim.
When you read through Numbers Deuteronomy and Joshua every one of those people they are commanded to kill are all Nephilim, apparently in Genesis 3 15 the Angels rebelled against God and got themselves a bloodline which God placed war against
This was an awesome conversation! Dr. Joshua Bowen is impressive. He called himself a super nerd or something like that & he may be, but he’s personable & able to express his thoughts in a way that some who might be considered nerds or geniuses struggle with. I enjoyed his opinions & insights very much. I already know I enjoy your thoughts & opinions, Seth, that’s a given (which is why I subbed your channel & watch often). Your chemistry with Dr. Joshua is very pleasant. I hope you do more conversations with him.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
When you do not have god you take humans as God...
@@Mar-dk3mp are u talking about Jesus being human and other humans elevated him to God status?
So, if GOD is so ultimately powerful, why does HE depend on mere mortal humans to do his murdering?
Excellent point!
Well when you put it in the context that there was a pantheon of God's. Far more advanced, actually created us.... it's like playing battleship with each other. Entertainment. Control. Also delusional with power... and if you take the stories of ancient India. The gods did war in the skies.
@@skylersojka6742 OK, but if GOD(s) is/are so ultimately powerful, why does HE/THEY depend on mere mortal humans to do his murdering?
God chooses to use human beings.
He can take anyone's life whenever He wants, and considering the fact that everyone does God "takes your life" the same way He gives it.
There have been many times when God didn't use a human being but pronounced judgment on a human being instantly. That's just proof that He doesn't need to depend on mortal beings.
But He chooses to.
@@harveygosal God is lame, if it exists at all.
A narcissistic psychopath is how I would describe this god. Having decided there was a humanoid god, the ancients based the characteristics of this god on the behavior of powerful men of the time. The kings and tribal rulers etc. who were most praised were those who conquered other peoples, brought back loot and slaves and demanded admiration and praise or else.
I've always thought that "God" acts just like a typical, terrible and privileged human being with a whole lot of personality disorders. That's how I know he was made up by human beings bc he's human himself. "Made in God's image" made me notice this even as a child!
Fascinating show! I've heard Dr. Bowen on other shows, but I enjoyed and identified with Seth's approach as an interviewer. Thank you!
Well I know one thing he's most definitely a sadist. Seems to get off on the whole blood thing as well as smelling burnt things.
He is definitely a lot of what Richard Dawkins said he is.
Not only is the god character a made up story, it is an abusive character. Those who buy into this fiction are buying into an abusive relationship and not only 'loving' it, but promote it and encourage it to others. " My partner hits me because they love me" bulls**t.
Bought both books. Really enjoying them.
Wouldn't have wasted my money just looking at this interview they don't seem to be intelligent enough to realize the whole books talking about the killing of the Giants in the Hebrew text they are referred to as the Nephilim, it begins in Genesis 3:15 and continues going through.
PhD and still don't know Jack
As used in this chapter-
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that-
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended-
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum...
...
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that-
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State
(B) appear to be intended-
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States...
- U.S. Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 113B § 2331
So even by US law, God/Yahweh/Jehovah/etc. would be classified as a terrorist.
So Andrew Seidel was right - Christian Nationalism is un-American.
all rule is ultimately by terror
@@joshridinger3407 Nope.
@@joshridinger3407 r/iam14andthisisdeep
*Mumbles something about the terrorist acts committed by certain US administrations against those they deemed other*
@@KaiHenningsen yes.
People say the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. My thought is his (the devil) greatest trick was convincing others that he was god. To rule by hidden means is treachery.
This is the core understanding of Christian Gnosis and it isn’t mysticism.
Don't need the devil when we've got yahwh.. theyre one and the same. That is the greatest trick yaywey ever pulled, and ohh how we've paid for it
Great conversation. Thank you.
"Extra Layer" in order to apologise for God's actions just does not cut it. God even had people carry out his evil actions. Yet they say? God loves us. And he has infinite mercy. How can anyone believe this stuff?
I certainly don't.
*Question;*
How did ancient people "confirm", that the words/laws they were told, came directly from God?
And exactly how do Christians today "confirm", that the bible was dictated directly, from god?
_Faith in the words & writings of men._
As far as divine commanded genocide goes, one of the most egregious aspects is the real reason provided in the text. It was not for the poor children being burned as offerings, YAHWEH sits and watches children suffer all the time. The main reason is that they were being offered to a rival god. It boils down to a petty infighting between the local gods. We have no accepted historical records were YW dealt with the Chinese this way.
Just ordered volume 2. Have volume 1. Thanks guys.
It would seem to me that in the minds of these ancient people, there was a deterrance componant contained within these various laws. Will a rapist think twice before trapping himself into a marriage with a woman and a family who hate him? Will a person think twice before swinging his fist knowing the damage he does may be visited upon him? Is there an inate psychological mechanism that would have been a significant regulator of people of that time and culture? The question that follows is: Would these in fact be effective deterrent? Do we have record of these laws being carried out?
The thing that comes to my mind however is the situation in which a frustrated incel decides to rape the hottest virgin in town because in his demented mind he will be garanteed the most beautiful woman as his wife for life. How could these laws have been exploited...as ALL laws eventually are.
Those rapists from biblical times are the same kind of men that stalk women today. They want a relationship with someone who rejects them, so they’ll go to great lengths to get what they want.
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
We have to remember God's mercy, because we don't see it anywhere.
The fact that you're alive is God's mercy and grace.
I find it interesting (if typical) that Christians (and Muslims, and Jews) are all about their stolen Sumerian Wargod Yahweh, but oblivious to his parents (Ninhursag and Enki) as well as Biblically (the same for the Quran and Torah) illiterate where the language is concerned.
I think that it is one thing to believe in a Bronze Age deity from Sumerian mythology, but to be abjectly ignorant of that deity's parents, or the fact that Yahweh has parents is quite telling of the caliber of followers of this/these form/s of theism.
I get that this screws up their whole "one and only" and "omnipotence" and "creator of existence" thing, but still. If you are going to embrace a whitewashed version of a minor wargod from a pantheon of 223 gods and goddesses from Sumer, at least learn the history and include his folks in your prayers and superstitious nonsense.
I think according to critical scholarship, Yahweh's parents were the Canaanite gods El and Athirat (Asherah).
Look up:
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
more and more it appears we are locked in a fight between "old versus new" and we certainly can learn from the old but our society doesnt work with old rules anymore.
How in the world did I miss this? I subscribed to both their channels. I have Josh's books. But I missed this really good Q&A video!
Just bought both of your books. Looking forward to reading them.
Didn't Saul try to excuse himself by stating that he "saved Agag for the Lord", implying that he planned some human sacrifice?
Thank you gentlemen, that was great.
My grandfather referred to tabernacle as "robbernacle" 😂😂😂😂😂
Great conversation! Thanks so much!
Excellent work as always Seth. Dr. Josh is a treasure.
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
Tired of dissecting religious mythology, I recently decided to go straight to ancient DNA.
Goes something like this:
Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA are present in modern humans, so which of Adam and Eve's descendants were the Neanderthals and which were the Denisovans?
Fascinating!! Thank you gentleman!!
Listened to a little over half of this conversation on Spotify; now I'm in a spot where I can watch the rest on RUclips, and give a like. 😁👍
Only half way through so far, but really enjoying this wonderful discussion ✊
Thoroughly enjoyed that segment. As an undergraduate in Archaeology major, Theology minor and religion studies, I can relate to this topic. Search and be mindful, discuss, deliberate, analyse and critique makes true sense of things. I believe it can strengthen your faith by looking at things from a different perspective. This should not detract you from your faith but allows you to reinterpret things and not discard it. As emphasized in that talk.
I left the teaching of church when I was 15. The following poem and list of books replaced all that.
“Freedom”
Resonating,
In longer and longer
Patience intervals
The thought to be myself.
Emotions arise,
From the mish-mash forest
Of a thousand voices past,
Which our mind is still
Sorting out,
Or, just trying to get back.
We need to learn
To hear them at last,
For we haven’t yet figured
Their spin,
Much less who they are
Or where they’ve been,
The meaning of within--
Mother, father,
Pastor, brother.
To get a handle,
We need to place you away,
Inside our inner eye,
Ourselves as well,
And be very still;
To watch the play,
Or change the stage…
With a past-reaction update.
To find your strength,
To find your strength,
For the self-bestowed treasure
Projects through the gate--
Or, just cancel it,
And say good-bye.
And with much practice fit,
The forest will appear then,
Without you having to try.
This poem has an interesting benefit -- of showing people how to get control of their own inner thought processes, by separating (“projecting”) present-based awareness imaginatively outward, away from the tumult of our usual, scattered thought processes. And THEN, one’s suggestions have much greater focus and potency, for freeing oneself from limiting or negative thought patterns, attitudes, expectations. It points to our inherent INNER FREEDOM, irrespective of physical limitations.
Suggested Readings:
*“Seth Speaks”, and
“The Nature of Personal Reality”,
*“Dreams, ‘Evolution,’ and Value fulfillment, Vol. 1 & 2”
(Chapters 1 and 2 ESPECIALLY)
by Jane Roberts;
“Conversations With Seth, Vols. 1 & 2”,
by Susan Watkins; and,
*“Autobiography of a Yogi,” (to really UNDERSTAND the Bible) and
“Man’s Eternal Quest”
by Paramahansa Yogananda.
Most books are available in audio format on You Tube.
"Who presents this woman" is still subjection. She "presents" herself.
Thinking of what’s happening right now regarding the Palestine and Israel mess.
Got a Christian dating website ad on this video... perfect!
So like 1 Samuel 15 - what about the charge that no son would die for the father's sins and no father would die for the son's sins? Oh I bet you'd need those special lenses for that too. LOL Dr Josh knows how to bring it. :)
The story about Samson was one of those that I read and just could not square with a fair and good God. It did not turn me atheist but it got me thinking and the more I read after that the worse it got.
Yahweh was a minor pagan deity in the ancient Canaanite pantheon.
He was just one of the 70 sons of EL and Asherah.
May god b-less. 🙏
I absolutely died when I heard Seth narrating Josh’s book on Audible 😬🤩
Is there anyone with the hypothesis that Yahweh is actually just like a war lord( actual ) person???? And an argument for that?
Speaking of the discussion of slavery. Let's think about King Solomon, the King who was bestowed Wisdom by the Creator of the Universe.
It didn't factor to the wisest Human who ever lived that Slavery is bad? Or was he wise enough to reason away slavery or something, cause that would be funny how worshippers of a Creator deity that supposed to be the be all end all of moral absolutism, would either not figure that out or dismiss it as the way things are or justify it as a necessity of their society.
Given the scenario that we're not theists, I always wonder what the point of analyzing the bible God's morality is. Wouldn't it make more sense to talk about the authors of the fiction?
It would, but in most cases nobody knows who the authors were.
@@curbroadshow umm . . . we know around when they wrote and what area they came from and the context of their surrounding cultures and religions. To your point, we definitely don't know who god is and what a god's motivations are. We know infinitely more about humans.
Wonderful show! Two of my favorite atheists 😁 So knowledgeable and nice to look at 💛
I'll definitely be getting the audiobooks ,(weak eyes, but I also love Seth Andrew's voice) and my husband might get the actual books (bc it's easier for him to concentrate that way).
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
@@robertmcgee1771 and you're so knowledgeable on this subject bc...?
@@starpenta I actually studied the text.
And they never learn the subject while receiving their PHD which is why they do not even mention it one single time yet it's found throughout the entire text they are referring to
@@starpenta when they come to the land of Canaan it is actually referred to as the Land of the Giants, everytime they are commanded to kill a race of people, they always refer to them as the Giants.
Why do you think neither one of these guys mentioned this a single time yet it is lace throughout every bit of the text they are talking about
@@robertmcgee1771 my original comment was 5 months ago. I can not remember precisely what they talked about but I do distinctly remember that I was interested in reading the book bc I had seen him go into detail on another show about some story they didn't even discuss in this show. If you haven't read the book, how do you know he doesn't discuss it in detail? He has his own channel and he's a scholar on the Assyrian era and by default, would know about the different cultures and what was going on at the time. If you have genuine questions and really think you know more about it than he does, I challenge you to go to his channel (Digital Hammurabi) and either ask in the comments or see if he has an email in the about section.
"Yahweh" started out as a volcano god, so yeah, pretty terrifying.
I've been saying for quite sometime, that in a movie, if we had a character who flooded the whole world and killed all but 8 people, that person would be the bad guy. He'd be a monster. But because it was god who did it, then it's ok.
29min: Just like the comic books universe.
Yes he is
1:05 we Assyrians of today are Christians by birth , at time of wedding ceremony at church ,both bride and groom have a person to present them to marry ,it's not only for females
No, he’s made up nonsense, but the people that believe in that nonsense definitely are.
An alternative to giving the bride away I have come across, "who gives this woman?" She gives herself with the support and love of her family". I've also seen, "Who gives these children" for bride and groom with the answer, "we do" from both sets of parents.
I honestly don't see why this question needs to be included at all, in an arrangement where the people marrying aren't children being married off by parents as a sort of business transaction, which is what a lot of marriages were in ancient times and in many cultures (including Western European) still more or less are?
If two people choose each other, their parents can be honored during the ceremony, but why the "giving away" part? Didn't that happen when their children began to be able to manage more and more on their own, starting with things like tying their shoes, and moving on to getting and education and a job? Or are children property?
Why is it always the eyes? Was poking them out such a common thing to happen back then?
Yes it was, because everybody had Ryder BB guns.
@@yzettasmith4194 And remember, clear glass didn't exist much back then so no safety glasses.
Enlil is like Thanos. He just wanted some GD peace and quiet.
JOSHUA BOWEN THOUGHTED THE QUESTION A LOT, LIKE NO WANTING TO ANSWER🤔
If a person were presented with all posited religions, like on a menu, and had to make a comprehensive choice, Christianity would be FAR down the list.
Maybe Saul took Agag prisoner as a trophy, after slaying Agag’s people to a man… and to celebrate, they took the best livestock - and then Yahweh became wroth. One doesn’t have to be a believer to see Saul’s transgression in failing to obey Yahweh - regardless of how evil we understand that command to be.
27:32 well it isn't necessarily plagiarism, but it is lying if it's claiming to be some divinely inspired book, right?
I don't see the problem with plagiarism. I've never seen this argument in the means of intellectual property. As far as I remember the epic of Gilgamesh was written hundreds of years earlier than the genesis stories around Noah. The laws differ a bit in each country but usually rights expire after 50 to 70 years. That's why everybody now can use Beethoven's 9th symphony without fearing legal ramifications from the heirs of Beethoven.
I always understood it as using older stories and converting them to fit them to current beliefs. There is nothing illegal in this. It just counters the argument, that the bible was written by god or at least was inspired by god. This makes no sense, when we can clearly see, that the stories are derived from much older tales.
Yes he is just look what is happening to Palestinians
The Bible is the story of Yahweh's fulfilled plan of redemption given exclusively to ancient Israelites cursed with the Old Covenant Law of sin and death and pertains to no one alive today, soteriologically and eschatologically speaking. Here's more...
If you believe the Bible, then you'd have to agree with Jesus in Matthew 15:24, that he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You'd have to agree with Jesus in Matthew 5:18, that no jot nor tittle of the Old Covenant Law would pass away until the Old Covenant system, temple and people associated with it (what Jews referred to as "heaven and earth") passed away.
You'd have to agree with history, that the Old Covenant system, temple and people associated with it passed away in AD 70.
You'd have to agree with Paul, who said in Romans 5:13, "Where there is no (Old Covenant) Law, sin is not taken into account." This of course means that salvation was only needed by those who had sin taken into account, which is not us today.
You'd also have to agree with Hebrews 9:15, that redemption was only for those who sinned under the first covenant, which again...is not us today.
The bitter pill of truth is that nobody has been saved nor redeemed for nearly two thousand years. The "church today" has been in a massive error; a complete hijacking of ancient Israel's exclusive redemptive narrative, the Bible.
But...but...I'm a gentile!" Are you? The gentiles Paul and the disciples were preaching to were either Greek converts to Judaism, or the elect diaspora, grafted-in descendants of the tribes of Israel who had been dispersed among the nations. Through the ministry of the disciple's great commission, they were called out from the nations to again be a holy nation of kings and priests, sealed for the day of redemption, which only they lived to see. Nobody today is a gentile of that sort.
Today's self-appointed, self-professing "Christians" have been hoodwinked into believing they're sinners under a law that passed away, and need a savior who said he came for someone else, who will save them from a sin that's already been removed, and a judgement that already happened, and allow them into a covenant that was made with someone else. The fact is, we today were never and are not part of ancient Israel's exclusive redemptive narrative, the Bible. ~Michael Bradley
As with so many things = that created with the best of intentions often yields results antithetical to how it was originally envisioned. Man as an example has a long history of creating new technologies faster than he can learn to use them in a socially responsible way - just look at the internet today. Our subjective nature is often our own worst enemy as it drives us to actions we might not otherwise do - and allows us to rationalize the same committed by others.
"God," he [Epicurus] says, "either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot,
or can but does not want to,
or neither wishes to nor can,
or both wants to and can.
If he wants to and cannot, then he is weak and this does not apply to god.
If he can but does not want to, then he is spiteful which is equally foreign to god’'s nature.
If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and spiteful, and so not a god.
If he wants to and can, which is the only thing fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not eliminate them?"
_Lactantius, On the Anger of God, 13.19_
According to the Book of the Sub-Genius, Jehovah is a Space Alien who still Threatens Mankind.
Wow… marvelous that why Dr Hany’s Quranic model of after life and love between human and God (Allah ) is different; it like Allah told Ajaab of separation - Not any physical punishment or fear of doing some horrible things like burning 🔥 inhell fire ; rather he / human choose the path devoid of God - he will suffer grievously… as punishment as he created the path of separation from Devine… Wallahi … So much make sense
Yes!
1:02:58 They didn’t need to “test” the young women & girls for virginity in a lot of cases bc they were YOUNG!
Pretty much!
It's actually a fact that we don't deserve to live we came to the world because God wanted us to be here and one day this life will be over, we know God's love through Jesus
I hope scary stories are early this year
This talk makes me starting to think the Bible is Fox News or the apologists are being Fox News and have been for centuries. Can Yahweh be D.T.? You know? He does not mean it. It is hyperbole. We give him a pass. Can we be honest about this?
Maybe that's why DT has been so successful, even though he's bad at business and relationships? People recognize the pattern subconsciously, and think he must be god, because he abuses and excuses in the same ways.
1:01:02 I really don't feel that way. That I have a right to say anything to a woman. In fact I become very self conscious around women. And saying the wrong thing is going to stick with me and make me feel ashamed when being reminded of it. Even years down the line. I feel more like that around women than I feel around men. Also I really don't mind being called beautiful by a woman. I sometimes feel like feminist logic presupposes alot and views every interaction through a confirmation bias lens. Even though I often agree with it. It tends to demonize men. Men who are often self conscious and just as afraid of you as you are of them. And is internalizing all this negativity. Maybe explaining the power dynamics of it would lessen the negativity. Thar It's a little bit like a man getting catcalled by another more physically imposing man in prison.
Also some women might feel like me. That being called beautiful it's not such a big deal. They just generally do.
That the roman catholic, jewish and muslem religion are constructs does not mean that the Christ Consciousness within beings (humans) does not exist. On the contrary, when you have so much bad people around within every race, you need more than one enlightend being. The 10 commandments are still the basic precepts of all humanity. But no church and not many people follow. To think these laws have been given for fun is not very wise, given that our ancestors existed and gave us the tools with Jesus, with the Christ Consciousness, to solve our problems in our now, not yesterday, not tomorrow.
Yes, but grabbing hold of Meghan this morning and giving her a hug does not create the obligation to marry her and pay her father a certain amount in compensation!
its such a shame that no one realy try to read the entire jewish bible instad of getting to wrong facts its those athiest like commonism and nazi regim
It doesn't matter that slavery was so called different in the bible. It was used by their ancestors as justification for Antebellum slavery. So that point is moot.
Wowie. I thought s cereologist was someone who studies cereal crops. Who knew?
There is a crucial difference between the Law of Moses and the Laf of Hammurabi. The former may but have treated women as equals but at least they were treated as human beings. They were punished for their own acts. The latter treats them as objects. Their life can be taken just as means of punishment for what someone else did. Personal responsibility the key of any legal system, more fundamental than equality.
It doesn’t treat women as equals at all, if a woman is raped, for instance, the rapist pays a fine to the father or husband, the women in the bible are treated like cattle.
I find it the God of the OT is cruel and also unjust. It is in contrast of his love and mercy. Thanks Dr. Joshua Bowen for bringing this to us.
These passages in the bible are the ones that put the final nail in my faith. I was wavering and decided to read the bible cover to cover. These show up pretty early in the text, and I could not get past them.
It's amazing how many people start reading the Bible cover to cover in order to fix whatever issues they have with their faith, only to find their conscience screaming for them to just drop religion as a whole.
When you read the scriptures(kjv) You must "rightly divide" God's Word" Time past, Today, Ages to Come, The Fullness of Times. Secular and religious atheist(unbelievers) unanimously agree that Jesus Christ is a real historical person. The question is simple, was he a liar, or God Almighty. Take your pick. The only religion in the history of the world that God gave to a people was at Sanai. The law given to Moses, could not save or redeem the Hebrew nation, the law could not make them righteous. The "Law" was the knowledge of sin. The law revealed, how unrighteous they really were. The "law" was the administration of death. The wages of sin is death. The unbeliever or hyper atheist tend to be the most "self righteous" people. They blame God for all the evil that mankind does to one another. One thing the atheist can't explain away, "death" The wages of sin is death. Thats why we die physically. If you need a reminder, visit a graveyard. God's Holiness never changes, however who He reveals that Holiness too, and when He reveals that Holiness, does change. God his pouring out His free Grace, to a evil, greedy, religious, superstitious world, today. By faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Atheisism is a religious performance system, like Catholicism or Islam. Pure evil.
@@stephensdygert7600 Err, why should we do this? Why are you lecturing us on evil after Amos 3:6, Amos 9:4, Hosea 9, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24 and Numbers 21:6?
And why design a suicidally prideful rebel angel, to begin with? HIS WAGES were not death - not even 'spiritual death'. He KEPT many powers, and could even REVISIT heaven - to give his fairly preposterous looking views about Job, which got taken utterly seriously.
That seems rather strange.
And were many major church leaders to be TRUSTED to interpret Leviticus 25:46, Exodus 21:20, Deuteronomy 21:13 and more, for all time - or not? Or at least, for centuries, to come. Nor was it ONLY Catholicism that fell drastically short in this area. There was also numerous wars, both feudal AND sectarian - almost constantly.
And widespread antisemitism too. See also Calvin.
And how does nature operate WITHOUT death, initially? Would reproduction have still happened, but also with no upper limit?
And sin still began in heaven - first. Arose almost INEXPLICABLY.
If Romans 1:18 is now going to be quoted, once more - despite how much it clashes with 1 Corinthians 2:14's implications, and the 'glass darkly' and 'labor pains' (NONE of which pagans would inherently KNOW before looking at visible nature, alone) then is it fair this verse be updated to show some of the ANGELIC perspective?
As the logic of it seemed to fail, with rather a lot of them, in the part of the nature they could see, with 'invisible qualities and attributes, clearly understood' that were possibly even fully VISIBLE to them?
And many of us do hope He changed - since say, Joshua 7:24, 1 Kings 14, and probably 2 Samuel 24, too.
70,000 dead - over a census? How alarming. I wonder where the Inquisition rated on a scale between that, and one man picking up sticks on Sabbath?
Does one get put on a 'attend to later' list, and another get on instant pager?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Your lost! You have a reprobate mind. The word "Accuser" is where the word "Satan" comes from. Your self righteousness blinds you. Your just as guilty before God as Ted Bundy, or Joseph Stalin ect.ect. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes you and I. Every religion in the history of the world is satanically inspired from baal worship. Example Catholicism is a mixture of a bastardized version of Judaism, mixed with paganism. jehovah witnesses are very similar to Islam, both Satanic. Mormonism is so bizarre it would take me to long to explain how evil it is. Gurantee if you read Paul's epistles, you'll understand what God is doing in this current, parenthetical, dispensation of Grace. Grace is eternal, unmerrited favor with God, by faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Its a free gift. When Dr. James Dobson was witnessing the gospel of the grace of God to the infamous serial killer Ted Bundy the last week of his life, before he was executed. If Bundy "really" "believed" that Christ died for his sins. Bundy is in heaven today, two criminals on each a side of Christ dying on the cross. One believed, One didn't. God hates human pride.God resisteth the proud, gives grace unto the humble. The "wrath" of the law of Moses was paid for, and fulfilled by the Law giver, the Lord Jesus Christ. Can you dig it?
Welcome to reality!
People who leave Christianity find it difficult to explain how they overlooked the horrors in the old testament
In reality, the horrific parts are usually skipped over. If they are brought up, than they are played off, made to sound not as bad as they actually are, or are a part of gods divine wisdom.
Take a look at the supposed flood. Christians, instead of showing of the devastation the flood would actually create, they turn it into colorful children’s books and peppy little tunes.
@@darkeyeze lol to make gawd less evil
It's true. I'm struggling with this. It's like a mirror was held up, except this mirror showed me my shadow, the parts of myself I couldn't see or wasn't aware of.
@@io7625 yup
Exodus is where it really fell apart for me. God clearly orders them to kill all the men of every age, any woman who was not a virgin, and to take the remaining women as property. All I could think about is the horror of a child watching her loved ones murdered and being taken into captivity by the very people who murdered them. Are we to conclude they gladly become their wives? Psychotic.
15:54 This is such a great video. I always heard the argument that the Canaanites and the Amalekites were evil because they sacrificed their children. What kind of people would kill little babies? To combat this evil the Israelites then go out and kill the little babies of the Amalekites and the Canaanites. I never put those two points together until watching this video, which now makes it seem so obvious. I Thank both of you for this interview.
Another thing you need to understand is that the Israelites were hard core Canaanites themselves an demon worshipers too even more so than the he sourranding tribes which were their brother an cousins an yet they hate an hate it them to the point of extermination.
The entire religion revolves around a first born sacrifice. It's horror in plain sight.
Especially when Yhwh alledgly sacrificed his own son😂
Sounds just like what the MAGA cultists are saying about the Democrats.
@@germanboy14 yawhrh is fallen angel. Jesus came to paid a randsom for ud to give ux a life. Becsude yahweh is death.
These "Yahweh defenders" need to explain how a fetus, or a 6 month old or 1 yr old or 2 yr old, ect, could possibly be considered "evil".
_Killed or sold into slavery, because of the actions of others._ (sometimes generations later)
*Preposterously immoral*
Seth asks the questions that we want to ask. I know I'll learn something when I listen to his interviews.
"The use or threat of violence for religious or political reasons" is the simple definition I've always held to.
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It seems people like to blame God for man's evil deeds.
9:02 - "(Biblical slavery was) nothing like what we saw in the antebellum South"/"Not race based"
Slavery in the US wasn't bad because it was race-based, slavery in the US was bad because it was slavery.
Slavery in and of itself isn’t bad. There’s nothing wrong with enslaving violent criminals (like rapists, murderers, child molesters, kidnappers)
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 ummm they already should be punished not enslaved
In the same way that the claimed words of the Jesus character were placed upon his lips decades later, the wants, desires, commands etc of Yahweh were just the wants & desires of the primitive desert men who - in a clever act of transference - conveniently placed them upon this imaginary god and claimed that these were his wants & desires.
Absolutely. All spelt out below.
"So for example, when we read carefully what Yahweh says in the book of Leviticus, namely that the Aaronids (the sons of Aaron only), are high priests contrary to the Levites, that they alone are Yahweh’s mediators and the Levites are reduced to mere ministers of the Aaronids, that only through sacrifice can one atone for sins and not confession as preached by the Levites, or more precisely the Levite’s Yahweh, etc., *it can be no coincidence that in these laws and commandments,* ***which are placed on the mouth of Yahweh,*** *that Yahweh himself is presented advocating and legitimating the very views and beliefs of the specific priestly guild writing the text, and, contrary to the views and beliefs of their rivals, the Levites and the Levite’s Yahweh!* We will examine this more closely when we get to the contradictions in these books. But in short, this was the function of ancient literature, and we are allowing these ancient texts to speak for themselves. *In this particular case, the Levites and Aaronids wrote specific texts that each advocated their religious beliefs, views, and their position as high priests* ***by writing these sentiments directly into the mouth of their god!***
But just studying the Bible alone, scientifically, affords us the occasion *to see that many of these so-called words of Yahweh are* ***actually the very words of the texts’ authors.*** When we see numerous texts employing this ancient literary technique, and moreover, ***presenting Yahweh as the spokesperson for their own views and agenda,*** *and* ***contrary*** *to Yahweh’s other words in other texts written by other authors employing the same technique,* how can one conclude otherwise.
In other words, when in the composite text that we now call the Bible we find: Yahweh declaring that only Aaronids can officiate as his priests and Yahweh declaring that all Levites can officiate as high priest; Yahweh declaring that sin is atoned through confession and Yahweh declaring that sin is only expiated through the sacrificial cult, no exceptions; Yahweh declaring that he gave laws and commandments at Sinai and Yahweh declaring that he only gave the Ten Commandments at Sinai; Yahweh commanding to exterminate all the Canaanites without pity and Yahweh declaring to tolerate them and live in their midst; Yahweh declaring that the wilderness generation were disloyal and rebellious and Yahweh declaring that they were a paradigm of loyalty and faith; Yahweh declaring that he may be offered sacrifices at any altar and Yahweh declaring that there is only one altar where sacrifices are to be offered up; Yahweh declaring that the people saw him at Sinai and Yahweh declaring that they only heard his voice; Yahweh declaring that circumcision is an eternal covenant and keeping the land depends on observing this very commandment and Yahweh declaring the Mosaic laws as the covenant and keeping the land is dependent on keeping these laws; Yahweh declaring that he dwells in the midst of the people and Yahweh declaring that he only resides in heaven; Yahweh commanding Passover to be celebrated by all at Jerusalem and Yahweh commanding it to be celebrated at each person’s home; Yahweh commanding that animals for consumption must be ritually sacrificed and Yahweh commanding that they don’t have to be sacrificed ritually, etc. ***one must conclude that Yahweh is being used by these authors, each with their own contrary views and beliefs as a spokesperson for each of these authors’ agendas.*** These are all the personal, and competing, views, theological beliefs, and religious systems of our biblical authors. And this is only the tip of the iceberg."
*"Studying the Bible"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
Yahweh only existed in other words in the minds of the Priestly Class. He was a fictional character. He was used by the authors of the Old Testament FOR EACH OF THESE AUTHOR’S AGENDAS.
I love Dr. Bowen's perspective on the OT! This was an enlightening discussion.
I would love to hear the story of how Dr. Bowen (atheist) and his wife, Megan (Christian) reconcile their contradictory beliefs when it comes to raising their kids.
_That would be interesting._
She's not a real Christian took about two minutes of listening to her to understand she just calling herself Christian because the Anglo-Saxons religion, some of them claim they are descendants of Israel in the book is a heritage.
You can also see for Josh just don't know what he's talking about I don't care what kind of diplomacy has, the whole book is telling you the Angels rebelled against God and God uses the children of Israel to kill all of the Giants which are supposed to be the descendants of the Angels from Genesis 3 15.
When you go look at who Israel killing, they're all Giants specifically the 11 nations of the Canaanites are the Giants the land of Canaan is also called The Land of the Giants.
I honestly feel sorry for Josh he spent all that money and all that time and as a result move further from God and further from the truth
@@robertmcgee1771
The old _"no true Scotsman"_ fallacy.
They believe a "false corrupt version" of Christianity, not like the true version that you have.
With thousands of Christian denominations/versions, how can you possibly confirm that your interpretation is the true one ?
_God won't confirm, who got it right._
_Set Up For Failure ;_
Your God failed to spread his message, in a way, that did not cause great disagreement of interpretation among sincere believers.
_(Yet he knew this would happen)_
*Faith in Gods word =* _Faith in the words & writings of men._
*(that claim to speak for God)*
The same as all religions. lol
@@moodyrick8503 geez all you have to do is open the book, it's not something that's left up to interpretation.
It says very clearly over and over as they battle these people that these are the Nephilim English refers to as Giants.
Notice in their speech when they talk about the events neither one of these guys seem to have no understanding that these people were giants even though Josh also alluded to number 1333 which act Lee clearly says they are the Giants or Nephilim.
Numbers 13:33 KJV - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
I think the reason why is because in Academia you don't read the text you read what Johnny said about the text and that's the criteria for learning, it's why so many people today even after they have their Bible scholars seems to be biblically ignorant to be quite honest
@@robertmcgee1771 What bubble do you live in ?
*Christians have vast disagreement over interpretation.*
_Thousands of denominations, all wrong._
*But not you.*
But you can't convince your fellow Christians that they are wrong.
_Very clear, smug arrogance._
Everyone pointing at each other, saying, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, ect, ect, ect.
What a mess.
Stay in your _"I can't be wrong bubble"._ LOL
*When did Jesus "confirm" who was right ?*
@@moodyrick8503 so let me start by saying I'm not Christian and secondly all you have to do is read the verse it tells you plainly the people of Canaan AKA Canaanites were the Nephilim AKA Giants right out of the gate,
Numbers 13 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:11 KJV - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20 KJV - (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 3:11 KJV - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:13 KJV - And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
And this foolishness when did Jesus confirm, well he's the author and finisher of the book according to the Christian so the book has just confirmed their Quest was to remove the Giants AKA Nephilim
Dr. Joshua being awesome with his responses and Seth asking the right things. As always, thank you both for your excellent work.
I've listened to and/or engaged with so many apologists over the past couple of years, really just trying to understand something more about their religions (mostly some flavor of Christianity usually). Not one of them makes rational sense, and finding agreement among them on any single subject is all but impossible - each has their own "special" take. Collectively, they're the most ridiculous group of people on the planet. It would be hilarious if it was a Monty Python sketch.
Not really... Brian is the best Messiah!
Just me:
When you say, "... finding agreement amongst (Christians) on any single subject is all but impossible" --- l totally agree. BUT l would add that finding agreement amongst 100% of all people on ANY topic on 100% of the planet is 100% impossible !! That shows that we are ALL alike or unlike to some variable percentage in 100% of ALL creation !
When we are hurting so deeply that we can't find goodness in others, our only hope for healing is when we see and try to help others when they are hurting. Sometimes it takes only one very much needed hug or only a few kind words of of sincere affirmation that brings healing to the one in need ! And guess what ! Somehow, in some time, in some way the healing we need will come to us ! (I do realize there are those who are much more needy; but true, sincere love given WILL be returned !
(Which brings me to another very vital point: Sex is NOT love; but it is the gift that REAL love gives ! The greatest LIE that society has deceived us with is that "having sex" = "making love". )
@@janicegingrich2250 ,
She meant single thing about their god... which has all the qualities of a person (personality, wants, and desires)... that means they should be able to describe him accurately and agree with each other on his qualities... they are talking about the same person. Of course, some might only see some of his personality, or ignore the parts they dislike (see parents who deny their child is a school yard bully for references on how people are described differently)...
@@aralornwolf3140
Sorry! This was my first txt and
meant it to be for Heather Lewis.
@@janicegingrich2250 ,
I know... but YT shows replies to people if they are 1 or 2 comments above the new reply. I just thought I would take some time out of my life and respond.
Have a good day/night.
Even if the Canaanites sacrificed some of their children to Moloch, how is the solution to kill all of them INCLUDING THE CHILDREN?
What I love most about the Christian god is that it is fictional and mythical. Could you imagine such an evil deity actually existing? Love that it’s made up.
I could do without it existing even in a fictional context.
Wonder if your actually right and worth it anymore to praise such a god. Megatron is LORD
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
I think it strange folks like you are not Believers and as I can see by your replies all of you are uneducated as a box of rocks and haven't even studied the subject before making that conclusion, just saying it's so transparent when I look at your remarks
Amen.
Dr. Bowen is a scholar and, therefore careful with his language.
I love it when Seth has scholars on, Dr Du Mez (the author of “Jesus and John Wayne”) was awesome as well.
Many years ago, I gave up being in abusive relationships. Being in a religion - pretty much requires you to forever be in an abusive relationship. Pass!
It's like a relationship with Hannibal Lecter. So wise, intelligent, helpful and considerate until that moment...
Except Hannibal does his psycho hobby quickly with less suffering and his motives don't involve obedience and brainwash.
Great interview! I could listen to Dr. Josh all day. He has the ability to make really complicated stories fascinating and easy to understand for lay people. (and he does a mean Kent Hovind - great sense of humour)
Deuteronomy 28:15 However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you
Sounds like a terrorist to me