Stellantis says its EV strategy will change depending on who America votes for
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- Stellantis says its EV strategy will change depending on who America votes for
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There must be some way out of here, said the joker to the thief. There’s too much confusion, I can’t get no relief. 😢😢😢
He is basically saying, the subsidies may end based on who is elected. Which means that demand will drop as well. Tesla's price drops have made it very difficult for legacy manufacturers who are stuck paying dealers a large share.
What percentage margin do you think that a dealer retains on your average 25k vehicle?
@@robertfonovic3551 The average vehicle sales price in the US is almost 50K, as of July 2023. And dealers are probably taking in over 10K after markups, add ons and fees
I hate it that the US government restricts the availability of Chinese EVs in the US. If it didn't I would be driving one right now.
They already have the ability to sell in the USA via their purchasing into existing companies, like Volvo and others. They are just waiting for a better environment to sell more models, as other markets are not going as well as planned. The USA also as protections in place to prevent importers and/or individuals from bringing in desirable vehicles of any age (the protections only allow for following the 25 Year Rule).
You are unAmerican if you want a Chinese EV.
@@lorenmerriman8439They can build their EVs in the US using American labor.
Yeah, you must hate those safety regs that keep cheap combustible crap off our roads.
@205rider8 Which means Mexico. Unions are like ghetto rats...stealing value and ruining every business they touch, costing everyone.
Stellantis is bringing the cheapest EV with a 320km range and 100kW charger, LFP battery and sub €24.000 (excl. subsidies), NOT build in China, but in the Slovakia EU. The Citroën ë-C3.
Nice 4-door hatchback-like EV with a length over 4 meters. Comes first quarter 2024, so in about 2 months.
So that should be affordable for the mid salary people.
What he said was not "EV's will bankrupt the midle class but", but that if incentives lack, regulation increases yet they force people to use EV's BEFORE money affordable models get to the market, the midle class will bankrupt
Context is important
He’s not the only CEO of a major company watching what’s happening in America, Europe and the U.K. given all governments are up for election next year. Stellantis, like BMW are presently operating a CLAR platform strategy across their portfolio of brands. This allows them to produce ICE, PHEV and BEV versions of each model. Both have EV platforms already developed and ready to deploy. BMW’s first ‘new class’ won’t be the four-door i3 represented by the Vision Neue Klasse, but the next iX3 electric SUV using Neue Klasse which is already under test, for late 2024. Therefore they do have the ability to flex towards customer demands. Potentially, 2024 could have a number of manufacturers operating in a holding pattern until the American presidential election is decided.
The world holds its breath to see if we are going to embrace ignorance and denial of reality.
@williamcrowley5506 " ignorance and denial of reality" . Your obviously referring to the fake Climate change fear mongering agenda.😊
If the Marxist Democrat’s cheat / win, you will live in a 15 minute zone, eat Bugs 🐛 and won’t need a vehicle.
Not Chinese manufacturers though. They’ll continue innovating and scaling and taking over the automotive industry.
@@juliahello6673 and we will sit here whining g about how climate change is a hoax as they move on to the future without a care.
Why don't they think they can sell those $85K Jeeps in North America?
Plus dealer markup.
So much government interference in the market. Companies can’t plan effectively in this environment.
Thank you Sam. Stellantis CEO: I am a USA citizen and I have owned 2 Fiats in my life; the Fiat X-19 and the Fiat Pop. I would have bought the electric Pop…had it been available this year (2023) but it wasn’t and so I bought the VW ID.4 instead. I am NOT middle class..and I am definitely NOT upper class. There are so many smart ways to use our natural resources, besides burning them up in smoke, inside one of the most inefficient ways possible, as with gasoline inside a cars engine.
For ‘frak’ sake, can we care even a little bit about the air we breathe. Sitting at a red light, waiting for the light to change green on a beautiful spring morning with my window rolled down, and then getting a mouthful of internal combustion engine exhaust from a truck…is definitely not my idea of a good time.😎
This is more or less what will drive the development forward.
We have to think that in many big cities many people don't have a car at all. They will vote for fossil free cars in the city centers. This zone will be bigger and bigger as time goes by.
What happens when tourists go to the Norwegian capital Oslo, no noise, no exhaust gases... They will change their mind.
Rome was not built over night...
So you were the inspiration for the movie " the boy in the bubble " ?
@@leiflillandt1488international tourism to Norway approx 10 million annually. Californian tourism is approximately 250 million per annum! It appears to me that most people enjoy a good dose of bad air quality, with a generous portion of crime on the side .😅😅😅
Legacy is so Kodak'd...literally no idea how to compete with Tesla
Keep dreaming.
@@oldbloke204 I think he's on the money. Car makers who are failing to plan for an EV future are planning to fail.
@@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 The story is still being written and car manufacturers have come and gone over time.
I'm sure that those working on Betamax thought they had it all worked out as well.
Plenty of EV companies have already gone tits up as well.
@@oldbloke204 Yes they have and most of them in China. At one time there were hundreds of companies making cars and engines in the USA and the UK has many dead brands but that doesn't change the underlying direction of where the industry is going. ICE is in terminal decline, hybrids will soon peak, flatten out and decline, hydrogen fuel cells are a non-starter and burning hydrogen in an ICE is even less of a runner. Batteries and motors get better and better every year, more range, faster charging, more cycles...certainly nothing with an 'en-gin' can compete.
@@harmony3138 But some of them are not, they are way off the pace and where they are making decent EVs they are not making money doing it, which is the real problem. Legacy auto used to laugh at Tesla, thinking they would fail when it came to mass producing cars...now the boot is on the other foot as those 'experienced' car makers are finding that it isn't as simple as sticking a battery and motor into an existing car. This is the fundamental problem for legacy auto, they don't understand that they need to get on the learning curve again...they WILL be the Kodak's and Nokia's of the industry.
Which is the same reason many states are slow rolling the federal NEVI program.
oh yea, LOVE your channel sam!
Our brains are boiling from all these informations. People are confused... this is all politics.... no common sense.... I love all the cars, and all of them should be avaliable, we need, and will always need diversity in powering our vehicles. We should have a choice. And depend of the needs, we gonna buy petrol(gasoline) , or Diesel, or Electric, or even compreesed air, or hydrogen etc...
All them Laws, Eco based specially is 100% hipocracy of the politicians and manufacturers. It is MARKETING and Politics, and it should be ENGINERING and Common Sense.
Environment protection-YES
Hipocracy-NO
Thanks for your work. Great channel.👍
Yeah, good luck to Stellantis with the quick adaptation 😅. Even with Tesla speed, changes to EVs are hard. Everyone can make EVs, but making the ones that people want to buy is not easy.
Actually it‘s quite easy to make EVs people want, the hard part is to make them cheap enough and still make a profit.
Does it not make sense for stellantis to start selling their smaller EVs like fiat and Citroën in the US to test market appetite?
Its more expensive to sell the same cars in the US
Fiat 500e costs 28k in Europe. 35k in US
Comparing phones to cars is rather useless.
Cheers mate
Government's can & will move the goalpost , UK did
Until now Stellantis has not delivered EVs that can be used as a normal ICE car with +600km range and a tow hitch. I hope their perspective changes when Stellantis is able to do that...
Sure, because the half a billion people on Earth commuting every day are also towing large travel trailers every day.
Not only thats false, you say that like EV's with 600+km of range are somehow the standard
You’d have to go through the quarterly filings and read the MD&A to get the company outlook on production changes. What is that white vehicle that was presented twice?
time to deploy the corrupt lobbyists though i sense some redundancy
Cost of living has gone ballistic in Canada and getting worse every month. Million’s of us on Fixed Incomes, will Not be buying $65,000 EV’s.
By the way at about the four minute mark you put a picture in of Chinese cars dumped in a field because of over subsidies....I know you have a lot of fans. But a little sloppy it is.
The rapidly changing technology and economics of manufacturing EVs is an argument for not producing them in large quantities. Some people might be able to accept an outdated phone costing less than a $1000 dollars. But no one wants an outdated EV costing tens of thousands.
Jai Hinduja. Trumpeter is the saviour of ICE vehicles.
Tavares just makes shit up. Nothing he says can be trusted. His board presumably knows what he is up to the rest of us don't. He is in the category as other first class dissemblers like Zipse at BMW. Both of them are 'never EVers' who quietly prepare EVs for mass production. The point seems to be to keep customers on-side while they are preparing their own EV push at which point the official line will presumably move on from 'never EV' to EVs are the best thing ever when you buy them from us.
You have proven that you also make shit up. Personally I prefer shit from an achiever, rather an unknown person posting a comment online.
@@robertfonovic3551 Oh, it's you again. Is that chip on your shoulder feeling heavy today? Now, as your reading comprehension is so poor let me just make clear what you just failed to understand. I just credited Tavares and Zipse for having better positions in practice on EVs than their hostile anti-EV rhetoric would suggest.
It's Tavares's public statements - anti-EV statements - that can't be trusted. Tavares's practical actions, however, seem a good deal better than that. He is evidently more about cracking on with EV production than he lets on.
And, please stop offering a pained defence of Tavares's honour on his behalf - he does dissemble, viz. make shit up, in exactly the way I described. But, luckily for us he acts in a way that can't be predicted from his words - he acts, well, sensibly.
Why does Tavares dissemble so much? It seems to serve several related ends. I did mention that singing the praises of ICE vehicles (at this stage of a longer game) might help to keep current customers on-side until Stellantis is ready to ship EVs in high volumes. It is a playing for time exercise where Tavares says whatever is necessary to circumvent a precipitous slide in Stellantis's position. Stellantis's also complains about (and presumably lobbies against) 'unrealistic EU deadlines' for ending ICE vehicle production. Seeking relief from the EU's tough clean/green road transport deadlines is another piece in Tavares's playing for time game.
None of that means that Tavares isn't rushing to make the EV transition happen at Stellantis, though. Tavares seems to be making tangible progress in that regard. Playing for time seems more akin to insurance for Tavares and Stellantis.
So, yes, Tavares makes shit up but I say don't worry about his words so much. Those words tell us very little about what is actually going on at Stellantis. Judge Stellantis and Tavares by their actions.
It is one thing to say you want to produce lower cost products by opening a fully owned factory in China (netting upwards of 65% reduction in capital) versus entering into the legacy joint ventures in China with an in-house China manufacturer. Most of the legacy US manufactures are continuing to open new "legacy style joint ventures" in China which really makes their products just a re-skinned/badged Chinese Car importer.
In the US EV’s are now subsidized by the EV voucher system which shifts from a tax credit beginning in 2024. If the voucher is repealed by political shift, EV adoption will be slowed. But it will also TESLA to advance even faster and further in manufacturing as the ICE industry shifts to old school hybrids with little to no further investment in EV’s. A death by a thousand cuts. Warren Buffet dumped GM for a reason.
Didn't they dump BYD as well?
The sooner the U.S. drops its EV tax credits and other incentives, as well as counter incentives on Chinese imports, the sooner we'll know how competitively automakers can produce EVs in the U.S. Until we know, we're only waiting for the day that incentives lose their political support and EV demand suddenly slips as the demand curve shifts. State interventions in markets rarely work out for the best. Better to let EVs find a market more slowly without the cliff's edge always awaiting rationally cautious automakers.
Hybrids are no solution because of the high repair costs.
@@restonthewindTesla sold about 1 million EVs in 2021 with no tax credits for them in the USA. Tesla then sold 1.3 million EVs in 2022, also without tax credits in the USA.
Tesla will sell 1.6 to 1.8 million EVs in 2023 with tax credits for most of them sold in the US.
2 million Teslas, coming up in 2024.
It's not just the cars. It's also chargers. What happens to all of that IRA money allocated for more chargers if Trump becomes president. Probably nothing good.
For some actually important news in the EV industry I have posted for everyone two cnevpost links below. I'm surprised how someone so informed like the Electric Viking has missed this news. Only helping out, guys :)
Isn’t it smarter to change strategy based on public demand for EVs and not misguided politician policy? The government still cannot force us to buy EVs. Free market will determine growth or stagnation of every product.
On a free market you can't sell vehicles that pollute the air humans and animals need to bread. Aren't healthcare costs enough high already?
@@leiflillandt1488 you mean “breed” not “bread.” You’re addicted to the woketard kool aid. ICE cars in the modern age are very clean burning. Not like your Grandpas Chrysler. EVs use a LOT of coal to provide electricity. EVs are not the green solution you have been brainwashed into thinking. And we cannot possibly produce more electrical grid capacity to increase EV use much more than it is right now. If we did we burn more coal. That is a fossil fuel like oil in case you don’t know. CA is already telling EV owners to reduce their charging! 😂 Educate yourself.
@@leiflillandt1488most major cities in developed countries have clean air. I live in the city of Melbourne Australia. We have not had an EPA air health warning since 1989. Suicide by car exhaust was quite common in the 50s through to the 80s.due to the toxicity of the exhaust fumes.ICE vehicles exhaust emissions have come down enormously in the last 20 yrs.and car pollution caused deaths in Western countries are minimal.
Public demand for EVs will naturally increase once we reach the point where large majorities of the population personally know someone who actually drives one, rather than needing to rely on internet FUD to guess what the experience would be like. Government incentives help to reach that critical mass much more quickly.
@@ab-tf5fl you’re addicted to the kool aid. For one, there’s no way mining of these materials can be increased to produce that many batteries (it takes 5 tons of earth to be mined to make just one battery) and we will not and cannot increase the electric grid that much beyond what we are doing now. Its simply impossible now and in the future. Besides, it’s too expensive. Our taxes for such effort even if we scorched the earth to do all this, would be incredible. Plus, not everyone wants a car that’s disposable after a few years, like a cell phone or TV set, virtually worthless. Range anxiety, charging station charge time, expense, so many issues. People are falling for it anymore as they realize the nature of EVs and their limitations. Not a green solution either when electricity comes from fossil fuel mostly. Thats the tip of the iceberg. Do some research.
Could Tesla buy Canoo and take their vans/pickups into volume production?
😂SO…………IF Trump gets elected they will AGAIN delay any moves to make EV’s and THEN TESLA will have even MORE of a head start on them!!!??? That’s a REALLY GOOD idea Carlos!! (Sarcasm) One has to move ahead and make more compelling and competitive EV’s no matter who is President!
They're blaming Trump already Lol.
EVs are not real cars
@@petershaver5006but Tesla cars are real smart cars
Trump will ban the sale of EVS. Thank god!! I would have EV Owners pay reparations to the people of the Congo.
@@markmiller8903 i think the people that buy them should be held accountable for all the child slave laborerors who do the mining and the destruction that said mining does to the environment.
it's insane how oblivious EV fans are on the subject matter of EVs not being good enough for our market. Stellantis will do better without EVs than they will with EVs, everyone will. Have you not seen the decline in sales? Have you seen the prices? Have you seen the amount of them in shops? I'm a mechanic and I've seen so many EVs in shops requiring insane amounts of maintenance. Also while on the subject of EVs, hasn't Stellantis done enough to prove they will 100% dominate the market with ease? 690 miles of range in an electric pickup? Who else even has that, no one. Not even the EV specific companies like Tesla. It is what it is but we're seeing a slow of sales and demand for EVs and in the next few years they just will cease to exist or slow down to a point they were in 2012.
I think the emphasis should be green energy production. What is accomplished with EVs charged by fossil fuels.
What happens to all the employees that work for legacy automakers in America. Are they going to be trained to do other work??? I am trying to think of work that these automakers will to learn to change career. Maybe Tesla can take a few of the workers, but eventually they may be replace by Tesla bots. So it's what kind of jobs that cannot be exported. Maybe the medical field like being a nurse, maybe a carpenter or an electrician.
Isn’t this what all manufacturers do? Thy follow where they think demand will be and government incentives. Even Tesla marches to the IRA incentives with pricing/production etc in USA. Saying that, Stellantis (and others) will be completely left behind if they behave like this.
Not so. Why rush? ICE sales still outnumber EV'S 9 to 1. And it appears that EV sales my be slowing. The next 6 months will show what's really going on.
When the fire happened in Huwaii what would have happened if all the cars there were evs? What would happen when evs catch fire? What would happen to cars that were in the middle of charging? What would you do when the fire disrupted the electric grid?
Don’t advertise your ignorance, this channel is for people who know you’re talking crap
@@jsanders100This is an emotional outburst not a logical thinking one. You made no counter arguments. So are you saying this channel is an echo chamber and refuses to look at different aspects of an future EV?
Here is a breakdown of EV sales by region in 2022:
China: 45%
Europe: 32%
United States: 12%
Other: 11%
Worldwide, EVs account for just 10% of all car sales for 2022.
That's with governments punishing ICE cars and offering bribes to EV cars
In China they have a Social Credit System that rewards you if you buy EVs and bulldozers your house at 3AM with you in it if you buy ICE.
Here in America, EVs are really not needed. All the incentives and punishments against EVs will go bye-bye a year from now.
Like Gaza .
Trump 2024🎉🎉🎉
At some point smartphones were only 10% of the mobile phone industry. Are you thinking that EVs adoption has been accelerating and now, in the very moment we are discussing this, the acceleration will suddenly stop?
@@juliahello6673 Americans don't need EVs - it's that simple.
Carlos has said many things. What administration is in the chair is irrelevant. Stellantis is not competetive..plain and simple. Great job Sam!
Just one of the few OEM's profiting from EV's + highest profits on the freaking market + launching a car with almost 100km more of range then the model Y for the same price
Sure, not competitive at all...
Just another CEO with devastating linear economic perception...
Marketing 101. Find a need and fill it. Of course corporations must and will adapt to economic winds. Vertical integration and overhead reduction are excellent strategies masterfully utilized by Tesla but there is a limit to how much fat you can trim. Trying to force EVs with their acknowledged deficiencies onto the buying public is a questionable ploy. It seems to me that areas to focus on are urban dwellers who need nothing more than an upgraded golf cart. Something similar to the Ford Think could be a winner if it’s minimalist and relatively inexpensive. Think of the original peoples’ car, the VW. Then there’s drayage for short run trucking. Also public transport. Comments?
We want a Chrysler Pacifica EV
Well if support at the government level for EVs is withdrawn, that will only help Tesla and BYD. So not a very smart move to undercut your own car producers.
Mumbo-jumbo
Tavares doesn’t care , he won’t be in charge by 2030. He’ll be sitting in his villa , sipping champagne 😮
And good luck to him. He's obviously DONE something with his life.😮
@@robertfonovic3551 that’s the point! In the west it’s an old boys club, bit by bit they’re destroying companies for their own gain , not accountable for their actions 😢nepotism doesn’t work!
If ya ask me, its just an excuse to deflict for being so slow in the first place to make EV`s. I wouldnt want a Jeep even if it was an all EV car, they are just built to break down sorry.
The only people that are really pushing the EV market are the Chinese and Elon Musk with Tesla. All these Legacy auto makers still want to push their gas guzzling vehicles and I do agree the Legacy EV market is too expensive and have to go through their greedy dealerships which they add markups, etc to get them. There are no direct order buys to customers from the legacy manufacturers like Tesla does.
We shall see what happens in the US with Electric vehicles. Right now they want to put the speed brakes on and not make an affordable EV. In one video they said some dealerships do not want to support/invest in the EV market. The ones they will make will be the high end priced luxury EV's which nobody can afford. Maybe Hybrids in the US are the big push right now, I don't know.
Before I bought my Tesla EV, I was following GM with their new EV products (Bolt and Equinox), but who know when these will ever be available. So I gave up on GM.
Lol Fanta tap😂
It's far from obvious that most Americans will choose an EV for their next vehicle before 2035. I chose one, but I'm only one American, and I found a good deal on a lightly used Bolt EV. Tesla seems able now to sell an EV with a lower cost of ownership than similarly equipped ICEVs, without state incentives, but though the cost of ownership is a reasonable metric, most Americans are still sensitive to the sticker price. Tell them that'll save the difference in maintenance and fuel eventually, if they can install a charger at home, and many Americans, even Americans who can charge at home, will respond skeptically.
Most Americans buy a car once in a decade, and it's their most significant purchase after a house. Better the devil they know than the angel they don't know. I still love my Bolt after 5k miles, but I also still worry about battery failure. I take good care of the battery and expect it to last 200k miles with no more than 20% loss of range. If it does, the purchase was a great success, but a battery failure sooner is a real possibility. If the vehicle requires a new battery much sooner, the financial benefit could suddenly disappear. I did my research and took the risk willingly, but I understand the caution of people with more limited means.
Yeah tell a bank or credit union giving a loan the higher sticker price compared to your income and that you'll make up the difference "eventually" and be able to pay the bill each month. See what they say.
It is unfortunate that Carlos fails to understand that the old paradigm is in its death throes. Oh well.... Thanks again Sam.
When there is a strong financial incentive to assemble cars in a particular country (or region, such as the EU), automobile assembly can be surprisingly sticky to that country, if the market is large enough and if the incentive is large enough. The EU may have some work to do here.
On the other hand--as you say--politics don't matter very much when one is presented with a value revolution. And you are absolutely right: Software defined vehicles are revolutionizing the automotive industry. Legacy car companies really don't have the fundamental business processes and technical expertise to compete. They don't have the company culture to compete. The 2020s will see the demise of many legacy automotive brands, IMHO.
As if we needed any more evidence that Carlos is kind of a nut. While obviously the political climate and EV subsidies should factor into your production targets and plans, making them the centerpiece just exposes how little legacy automakers are able to really compete with Tesla.
Do you have a photo of Electric Jesus on your desk? And a shrine in your living room?
Tavares is an absolute waste of space as a CEO. From a former employee of Vauxhall ( GM in the UK).
It's common for the lower tier staff to bitch about management. 😊
@robertfonovic3551 its common for people who have no clue what they're talking about to comment about things because they have nothing better to do.
The EV market is a government made and pushed market.
So, it is not really a "capitalist-type market" where there is a customer need. In this case, bureaucrats establish what the customer should buy without much interest in customer needs and wants.
Therefore, it is understandable that the whole market depends on government policy.
The EV-car solution remains inferior to the IC-car solution in particular in convenience (i.e., avg. time lost per trip, ease of use).
Except for the minority of people enamoured with the EV concept, most people are not rushing to buy an EV because they do not see the reason.
Just like the GoPro cameras, the EV market would remain a niche if it wasn't because the government ordered everyone to dump their cell phones and buy a GoPro instead.
No its not what a load of rubbish
"EVs are inferior to ICE cars" not true every penny I put in our EV I get 95% of energy usage for £13 to fill a petrol car it would cost £70 for the same mileage for 60% of energy usage lol
Are the EVs in Norway a niche, when 90 % buy EVs?
What is your solution for big cities if the politicians prohibit ICE cars/vehicles because of the smog, pollution, noise, etc?
We have to see the realities with the combustion engines. They will be prohibited in many city centres. In Stockholm, capital of Sweden, there some streets in the city center where you can't pass with an ICE car...
You have to think many voters have no car at all, because it is not really needed and any car is too expensive. This is today's reality. All cities bigger than 100,000 people will be bigger. They grow even if the population doesn't grow in the country.
@@ChazWyvern i said EV-car solution which encompasses the whole solution, not just the costs that you mention.
If you drive from San Diego to San Francisco, Ca you save a lot of time in a ICE car compared with EV.
Since time is money (unless your time is valued at $0) EVs have decidedly inferior characteristics.
If you are driving into the wild, you will not find charging stations for many miles, and that is a problem.
Nevertheless, the British army's tanks, trucks, jets, and ships may be all electric now surpassing the American army...if that is so, congratulations mate!
Best comment. Totally agree.
The EVangelists will have to disagree.
In a natural market, there is no need at all for incentives. The best products will rise to the top.
I like both ICE and EV. But the cost addon for a new EV compared to a new ICE car with similar specs is crazy. And EVs are much simpler, fewer moving parts etc.
The US government should make everyone just standardize on SAE J1772 30-50 amp connection for home charging and SAE J3400 connection for commercial DC charging. And allow all charging stations to have payments by tap-to-pay payment card or Apple Pay/Google Pay with NFC equipped cellphones. Just that change would rapidly increase EV acceptance.
I don't know how much this requirement would increase EV acceptance, but public, DCFC can be a headache. I'm sure some people find it so frustrating that they give up on an EV after adopting one. Too many networks require a unique app, and too few simply accept a credit card as gasoline pumps have for decades. I can usually charge at a DCFC (CCS) with one of the half-dozen apps on my phone, but occasionally, I can't get a charger to work even if it seems to be in working order and accepts my payment. I've never been stranded, but even a few unreliable chargers increase my anxiety level on a long road trip because chargers can be few and far between.
An EnviroSpark charger in downtown Athens, GA that would be very convenient for me accepts Google Pay, but even after Google Pay accepts my payment, I still can't get the damn thing to start charging. It worked for me once, but the last time I tried, I fooled with it for fifteen minutes before giving up. I charge at home and don't really need this public charger, but it bugs me that I can't get it to work reliably. It has a low score on plugshare, so my experience is not unique.
@@restonthewind Remember, when you pump gasoline into your car, you use a credit card or debit card to make the payment and everyone uses the same type of pump connector. That's why I want all public DC charging plugs to be SAE J3400 (which is easy to connect) and payment made using a tap-to-pay credit/debit card or Apple Pay/Google Pay from cellphone.
Some US states starting to push back as EV stocks build up at dealers from what I saw.
This is what happens when you try and shove stuff down people's throats without engaging with them imo.
Like the recent time wasting and expensive debacle we had to vote on here recently.
Hopefully, all that messy car manufacturing will soon be done exclusively in China so the rich people buying them, won't have to pay as much. What could possibly go wrong with this strategy?
Make a great product, and people will want it. Make a crappy one, and you may find it hard to sell.....many of the big three ev products are a terrible value compared to their competition. Yes, Tesla.
Not true. What is true is cost. For instance, imagine if all Lucid cost same as Teslas, just as many would buy a Lucid as would a Tesla. Actually, more would buy a lucid. I'd buy a GM Hummer that cost same as the best selling Tesla. If GM decided to continue with GM Bolt , went on to produce millions and sold them all over the world , GM bolt would outsell Tesla.
@@akpowarri3504 thank you for making my point about value.
If cars become centrally controllable . . Like internet, plus, plus . All personal freedom of movement will be gone. Do you trust the controllers combined with the technocrats?
So he's wasting time he doesnt have. Unless he's spending time and money behind closed doors, or intends to buy chinese BEVS and re-badge?
Tavares is a smoke blower. He knows it is time up for the ICEV. He's just posturing. Stellantis BEVs are bang average anyway.
So the peugeot e3008 wich casually has almost 100km more range then the Model Y for the same price while having lower carbon footprint is average? Right...
@@joaquimbarbosa896 I've driven several Stellantis BEVs. One of which was an E3008. A nice car. A pretty good BEV. Not as good as my VW ID3 Life Pro, and certainly not as good as a Tesla MY or M3. I've driven every Tesla bar the original Roadster and Cybertruck, and they are a different level of BEV.
It's just another abdication of responsibility from Stellantis's leader. Blame the market, blame the Chinese, blame Tesla, blame everyone else but yourself. Clearly BEVs are the future, yet he's the captain of a ship heading for the rocks, and no clue as to what to do.
BEVs are a small part of the future, never to replace ICE or hybrid cars. EV demand has already leveled off clearly.
If EV'S are the future, why is that that worldwide, they only represent around 10 percent of new vehicle sales? Even with subsidies in some wealthier countries.
@@robertfonovic3551 also in NY city only 1% of car owners operate EVs. They are not popular in large metro cities.
Thats just no what he said...
Tavares ducks and dives, making contradictory statements on EVs and this has been going on for years. Let's face it, Stellantis is a French company, the core of the business is PSA, first Opel/Vauxhall were absorbed into the group then the Chysler/Jeep/Fiat behemoth was swallowed...the official HQ is in the Netherlands but the decisions are made in France. What I always say is 'Follow the money'...and here in France there is huge investment going into battery plants, the first of which opened in Douvrin earlier this year and another just south of me at Nersac, near Angouleme opened in 2021. PSA/Stellantis are in a joint venture with Total/Saft...billions of Euros are going into battery plants here and all over Europe.
There will be no U-turn! In France there have been lots of small diesel engines, but now they are very complicated to build that means they will be too expensive for small cars.
Almost the same problem with the gasoline engines.
So there must be something else, and the only option now is BEVs, and they will be cheaper to drive every year to come for at least the next ten years.
@@leiflillandt1488time will tell whether your opinion is correct. I personally doubt it. As a regular YT user I have come across numerous online polls asking which vehicle type ( EV vs ICE) that the viewer would purchase. A number of these sites are pro EV.
The figure show an 85 to 15 point preference for ICE. NB. The 85 percent, I would imagine are of voting age. What do you make of that? Perhaps the Viking should conduct a similar poll, however I doubt he would,as the result would be similar to the above.😮😮
@@robertfonovic3551If you had asked the entire population in 2004 if they would like to purchase an expensive smart phone, 99% would probably have said 'no, I am not interested', as their present little plain old cell phone worked just fine for communication.
And look at where we are now in 2023. Does anyone still own a dumb flip phone?
What is Stellantis going to make, Teslas?! That’s what people are buying when they want EVs.
Tesla market share of new vehicle sales, are a piss in the ocean.
Stellantis sells more evs then Tesla in Europe
Carlos Shut up silly 😂
Tesla & Hyundai are moving forward with cheaper vehicles with better batteries. Those other companies will go bankrupt trying to rush products to market.
Stellantis is doing the same...and arguably better then Hyundai
Also already surpassed Tesla in Europe...
You can't really compare computer technology with battery. Battery technology moves much slower
A CEO who cares about the middle class. Tell me amother one.
That's the largest market, so what's your problem?
Maybe Stalantis has a "fantasy tap"?
And yours may be a fountain .
That's so good, u should apply for a Hollywood writing position, they have lots of vacancies and they need ur help to go bankrupt faster than Stelantis @@robertfonovic3551
Stellantis is pretty much dead in the US. They make mini vans and expensive monster pickups and a few, unreliable Jeeps. The next time gas prices spike up, Stellantis will end in the US.
Disaster! Stellantis had been the one major legacy auto producer that had NOT sold its future to China. Now them too?
Italy is screwed. Stellantis is toast.
How exacly did they sell their future to China?
Well saying that it all depends who wins in elections etc, it seems Stellantis are trying to get involved in politics and foreign affairs. If I'd be the politicians in those countries, i would think very quick and repel any prior engagements for tax credits, land tax credits, subventions, loan with no interests that were pledge to them etc. When companies think they can get involved in countries or other countries politics, elections etc , just get them out of your country without delays. Said countries could then be able to use their old new installations for free, the government and politicians had already given them land tax credits for 25 to 50 years, probably had built or accorded water and sewers to said buildings, had given them huge reductions on electricity also. Stellantis is a conglomerate of failed brands that had always been helped out financially by their governments, they were never able to substain themselves at all. Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Fiat, Maserati, Citroen, Alfa Romeo, Peugeot, Lancia, RAM, Opel, Abart, DS automobiles 🤣😂🤣 All brands that deserved to have disappeared 30 years ago and remembered only for their failures, lawsuits, deaths, injuries, fraud of all kinds and more.
You seem to be more angry and upset than I'm... 🥺🥺🥺
Careful. You may pop an artery.😊
Smartphones
Lol😂Haha
The more that these CEOs talk the more apparent it is how detached from reality they are.
Have you ever considered, that you may also be deranged?
Has Carlos seen the price of gas powered cars? If the middle class can't afford an EV they also can't afford anything Stellantis makes.
He's smarter than you.
5 years ago I couldn't imagine buying a normal car for more than 30k now I can see how to buy one for less than 40 k even with rebates.
I don't get how most new cars are around 50k and trucks north of 75k and there ICE cars. Yeah the Republicans could screw things up
and probably will try to .
Where do you think the manufacturers EV development funds come from? Perhaps if the ridiculous EV rush hadn't occurred, we would still have the reasonably priced ICE vehicles?
First off because of Government Regulations Stellantis is having to lay off 3000+ employees. Government Authoritarianism in America is trying to force EVs on people & its not going to work because EVs are not a viable option for daily transportation in America.Vote Republican for Freedom & Liberty. Vote Democrat for Authoritarianism/Dictatorship & Government Controlled Markets.
It's amazing how Western legacy auto will bail out Chinese EV manufacturers Ala VW, Toyota, Stelantis, BMW and shortly GM and Nissan et al.
The fallout from this will get very ugly.
The reality is that for every single EV sold, a high power public charger should be installed.
Not happening at the moment.
100 EVs sold. Only 1 public charger...
It’s simple, if we carry on driving ICE age we’re all going to die , eventually, probably sooner than later 😢
Bullshit
Stellantis and strategy - that's an oxymoron.
EV's are an environmental nightmare. Eventually hybrid vehicles will dominate the market.
If your business model is dependent on taxpayer subsidies then you don't have a business, you are just grifting.
Trump 2024👍
Trump for prison, 2024!
A convicted felon for president? I don't think so.
Trumpet 🎺🎶🎶all day long in 2024
Trump won't solvencia you any problems, nor Biden.
End the duopoly in the States.
Hopefully the US public will not make that mistake again.
More BS from Stellantis.
We stand with Trump.