I think putting grease where it's dry might not be a great idea. Grease has a tendency to attract dirt, so any dirt that gets int here will end up like grinding paste, aluminium is soft and then it's a load of grooving into the sides.
Yeah this is fair. I will say though, I put a touch of grease behind the caps as soon as I got them out of the box, and 1000 miles later they are still very clean. The end caps seal _relatively_ well anyway, so keep virtually all the dust and grit out. The grease is mainly just there to keep any water from seeping in behind the caps and sitting right next to the bearing seals for extended periods.
I hear ya. But there's no Alu to wear there on the front end caps. The end caps and axle are co rotating. These hubs have ZERO labyrinth seal, oring, or lip seal. So on balance a bit of grease is better than water going straight into the bearing.
Hambini clearly never has to try and remove end caps that haven't had any grease. He doesn't work in a bike shop, dealing with customer bikes that have been put away in a cold damp shed after a four hour ride, every 3 days for 5 months of salted british roads. I haven't watched all his videos, but I haven't seen one where he needs to try and get a hub apart after that sort of abuse
Thanks for guiding us through the maze of inexpensive Chinese brand wheels. I hang around with some serious cyclists who kind of automatically scoff when you mention off brand parts that cost about 1/3 or even 1/4 of prestige name brands. I'm happy to let them support the big name brands by paying premium prices. I'm thrilled with my recent purchase of Ryet wheels. They are very nicely made and finished, perfectly true, and roll and roll and roll.
These wheels cost as much as Campagnolo Bora for me, so I rather get a pair of Campagnolo. And 1000 miles is not enough.. My Shimano RS80 that ive had for over 10 years now, has zero maintaince so far. Still like new!.
The wheels are EXCELLENT!! I purchased two sets last year after Hambini and Peak Torque reviews them. Unfortunately I lost my bikes and wheels to a house fire so I had to buy a new set in March. The quality is top notch and best of all, they have the most responsive customer service I’ve ever dealt with. I cannot recommend 9Velo enough!
Not a roadie but I love your vids. They are all very interesting, informative and non biased. You can also tell a lot of time and effort goes into the production of your vids too. Keep the good work luke
Thanks Chris! Yeah I genuinely put LOADS of effort into each video, and try to improve my stuff every time I upload. For example this episode I slightly changed how I record voiceovers to make the speech a little clearer, and also started playing around with a 360 camera to get some interesting camera angles out on the bike. So glad this is coming across 😊
Since more and more made-in-Xiamen product will likely be coming to the oversea market, Xiamen can be closely pronounced as "Sha men" (similar to sharp, but without rp)
Interesting to see these results. After success buying from Lun, I think went direct to another Chinese supplier and got wheels delivered for $580, 35/45mm deep wheels at under 1300g and they have been brilliant so far. Going direct via email and Skype was interesting, but the risk paid off. Another interesting trend is Titanium frames out of China from companies like Waltly..... another one that has paid off for me. Would be interesting to see review of these types of frames.
I bought these wheels after watching your video and used your code! they arrived, I didn't have the lube problem. I will also make a video about them. I've only done about 200 kilometers with them yet, but so far they're spectacular.
It would be very useful if you could say what your height, weight, chest and waist measurements are and say what the size is of the Siroko kit you are wearing. I would like to try some Siroko kit but I don't fancy having to pay the postage to send it back if it says large in the size guide but fits like a small. If you're shy about revealing your body sizing then a simple "the size guide is accurate" or " get a size one / two sizes bigger than what the size guide suggests for a tight / casual fit". Great content. Cheers
pre-stressing is esp. important for j-hook spokes as the ends may be slightly bent but not deformed to the hole, so they may be under additional strain leading to a fatigue failure. As you say, more just about seating for straight pull and carbon fiber spokes.
Yeah absolutely. I have had some wheels in the past where it was clearly not properly de-stressed at the factory, and after 200 miles or so, some of the spokes were at WILDLY different tensions. Spokes tend to be well balanced out of the box, but for them to be this consistent after nearly 1000 miles... Yeah very impressive IMO
I'm on the fence about tubes vs tubeless. But I'm thinking I might try TPU tubes as a halfway-house and see how it goes. It'd save a few grammes, offer a bit more flat protection, and avoid the faff of replenishing tubeless sealant.
you should if you care about rotational weight. tubeless tires weigh more than regular. then you need to put another 200 grams of sealant so when all is said and done your tubeless setup is considerably heavier. tpu provides similar rolling resistance reduction as well
Incredible! Dude you won't regret it, those wheels will be fantastic!!! Just keep an eye out for that grease behind the caps. If you always ride in the dry, don't worry too much, but if you ride in the rain, def get some grease in there!
Great video, Luke. I recently acquired a new road bike with Fulcrum wheels. They weigh a ton! (well 1,960g). These wheels in your video might just be the ticket! 👍
@@TraceVelo Yep. Need some new hoops for sure and also integrated bars/stem and carbon seat post. Currently my shiny new road bike is 1kg heavier than my trusty old one. (It does have discs though).
I ride up and down mountains. Seriously, I do 20-minute descents at 30-40mph. So please know how much I appreciate your thorough reviews of these products. I did buy a set of Elite 50D wheels with your discount code. They're great since the change to the hub. Very happy with them. 🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖
@@Kamiudalan1489do you mean 12 speed to 9 speed? If you buy any wheel with a Shimano HG freehub, you'll need only a readily available spacer to install a 9 speed cassette
Love your honest reviews Luke! Love the wheels, im considering buying a pair tbh. Having replaceable spokes and no cracks or chips after that pinch flat its pretty good!
🥖🥖🥖Another legendary Trace Velo product review! The brakes look smart. My Shimano 4-pot brakes failed on me mid MTB ride. The ceramic pistons crumbled and left me with only the front brake, which as it turns out is bloody lethal on an MTB when it's steep and muddy. Went with Hope, never looked back. Not sure I'd trust off-brand brakes, but I do appreciate you putting your face at risk for our entertainment.🥖🥖🥖
Yeah i'll be reviewing these in a coming video for sure. I was out on them this afternoon actually, tried to give them a real hammering on some local hils, and they held up fine!
I ordered a set last night. I even used your code. I had Elite wheels, but had one detonate on me while I was pumping it up after changing tires. They’re still under warranty, but I can’t get anyone from Elite to help me with a warranty claim. I’m sure I’ll eventually get it replaced, but I’m not waiting until then to ride.
Thank you for the review. I've been wading through the maze of cheaper Chinese wheels for my gravel bike and I think that this is where I'll go. I like the fact that they don't state a weight limit for their wheels (I'm a 203cm, 101kg rider) and that they've had multiple glowing reviews. As a point aside, I can't see from their description as to whether the gravel wheels are hooked or not? I'd prefer hooked, and they look hooked, but I cannot be sure.
Nice advert....I mean non biased consumer focused video Luke. 😁Thanks to the good quality of these wheel sets, we now have a good alternative to the western brands and some of their extortionate pricing. Top stuff Luke keep the vids coming. Fin de la baguette course! 🥖🥖🥖 😎👍🏻
DT Swiss hubs are amazingly easy to work on, and stone reliable. That said, the stupid expensive DT Swiss grease is worth looking for, or at least a substitute of a similar viscosity as the hub will make a lot of noise or drag wirh the wrong grease.
These look good, I've just ordered some Elite Wheels 60mm Rim brake wheels so awaiting delivery of those, hoping they perform OK without delamination .
Hey Luke, great content as always. Just a minor comment on your short of the new hydraulic L-TWOO RX groupset. The brake calipers which you had installed on this bike are not flat mount but post mount. The various adapters that seem to come with the kit are to adapt PM to PM for different size rotors. I didn’t see any PM to IS or FM adapters which would be handy to have as well but that’s a lot of adapters.
Questions, cause I'm really interested in a set of reliable 35 mm deep set of light, carbon wheels. 1. Does the hub has an anti-bite guard (ABG)? I'm going to change the cassettes frequently, so, this is an important aspect. 2. Does the rim have that small hole for water to get out? 3. Number of spokes - 24, did I get it right? 16 on the brake side, 8 on the opposite? Thanks.
I use one of those Co2 caps it's brilliant as you turn it you can control the speed and so forth unlike the button versions. Love the video today too, keep up the great work.
I got me a set of Orome Valar TH50D recently and they have been amazing so far. The only thing im not the biggest fan of are the decals. But the reason i did choose them was the combination of the dt-swiss style hub, lightweight steel spokes and the internal width of 22mm (actually 23mm on my set) and external of almost 30mm. This combination makes running 32mm tires amazing (on tpu tubes, not tubeless since i had a brand new pair of normal gp 5000 laying around). Probably the best Upgrade possible for the conditions im usally riding in (very rough roads from time to time). Previous to them i had major vibrations with the 23mm tires, the 32mm on those rims just floats over everything. Best upgrade so far.
Thanks for the review. BTW, I looked up Siroko clothing. Their XXL is coming out at a 33inch waist and a 42 inch chest. Looks like us Clydesdales are not welcome.....
Any chance since they were sent to you that they spent extra time on them to make them perfect? Wonder if you grabbed a random set from them if they would be the same quality?
Yeah this is a great question! I personally dont believe they will have spent any extra time to make them better, but ulimately I can't be sure. I'm a massive skeptic too, so understand you might not trust things at face value, which tbh is a good thing with a lot of stuff you see online. What I will say however is that 1000 miles doesn't lie. After sticking a bit of grease behind the caps, I never touched the wheels, and ran them in all weathers. It's fathomable they could have sent me a wheelset they spent extra time prepping, but for them to be that well balanced after 1000 miles riding on curmmy english B-roads, I think it shows the overall quality.
I think that buying them as a normal consumer would have done would be a fab idea! Perhaps a company could still get you to do a review for them, and just pay you what it costs? Then you bring extra confidence to people that what you receive has a higher chance of being what they will receive.
Great video! I'm on my first pair of Elite Wheels I got after watching your review of those, and I doubt that I need to replace them in the next couple of years based on how much I ride. But should I need a new pair of wheels for the summertime this could be it. Keep up the good work 🥖🥖🥖 - And post a link to your Strava to follow.
Have elite pro 50mm rim brake , before they were famous, and haven't skipped a beat in three years,even rear bearings are still good with my 90 kg arse
Hi Luke, hope all is well? I've just got into cycling and the sport of triathlon. Would you ever fancy building a TT bike? Because I would follow that series.
You inspired me to do some more of my own Aliexpress testing. Not that I aspire to become a youtuber too, that is just not for me. Next up is Aero socks and gloves ( 4,50! for the socks ). Keep up the good work.
On Cade Media channel a carbon expert said that carbon fiber does not stretch. That could have something to do with all the spokes having uniform tension.
🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖 Hi Luke.. Just love how you present and test equipment. I could not help notice how much the bike started to wobbel during "sound test". It seems like wheels are not counter weighted for the valves. This is normally not an issue when riding flat road, but on long decentents (Mountain and Big hills) this can make the bike feeling unstable or worse microvibrate the bike into resonance. Can you confirm factory is counterweighting the wheels?
Hey Mikkel, yeah good observation! So this is probably a result of the tubeless sealant. The bike was sat like that in the stand for a couple of hours before the sound test, so the sealant would have pooled at the bottom of the tyre. Spinning it up abrubtly doesnt really give the sealant enough time to evenly coat the inside of the tyre, hence the wobbling. Wether they counterweight the wheels, I have no idea. However I would probably suspect not.
So I just bought a set from 9velo. Not the same rim but still 44mm deep. During my sound test, the wheel almost stayed in place with a crazy minimum vibration. 100ml sealant and stock valve installed.
@@youling1997 what do you mean by it's just static? Counterwaight is actually athing preventing wheelwobble... Try and go down a mountain with 60+km/t... you will most likely feel the difference
@@mikkelhenriksen for cars they spin the wheel up to balance it right? They don't just figure out which part of the wheel is heavier by letting it hang and add counter weight
Hello Luke, you were previously using iiiPro branded hydraulic brake calipers ... did those prove to be reliable? I am personally using some LTWOO hydraulic calipers with "egg-roll" pads on gravel bike and they stop very well with excellent brake-feel however the iiiPro and ZRACE calipers are somewhat lighter ( but not a benefit if they aren't reliable )/. many thanks
That bike looks awesome, I wanna get new wheels, only got Mavik Aksium ones on, but the whole tubelesss / tubular thing is confusing. Thing is, it doesn't matter too much from a safety perspective if the chain came off on the largest gear on the back, you'd only be using that gear on a steep hill so wouldn't be going fast anyway.
"it doesn't matter too much from a safety perspective if the chain came off on the largest gear on the back" - maybe not from safety, but could get very expensive if it wedges between cassette and spokes and takes out a bunch of spokes. Could lead to a walk home and much expense.
11:33 that notched cone design to undo the freehub is a stupid design. On my ELITE wheels it’s recessed and there’s no tool for it. Apart from paying extra from the manufacturer after finding out I can’t service or grease my freehub because they designed a tool only they have. Amazing I managed to crack one of those notches as I used nose pliers which fitted snugly but sheared off one edge so I have half the height on one of the edges
What are these like for tubeless tyre compatibility? I've been frustrated with limited choice and difficulty of seating tubeless tyres to OEM Giant SLR hookless rims. They've proved almost impossible to get tyres seated properly (running round) if you need to do do a roadside repair, such as fitting a tube. Hence I'm tempted to find some hooked, tubeless compatible rims if this opens up greater tyre choice, easier set-up, and less troublesome road-side repairs.
Luke, I was always wondering, why you never tested Lun’s Hypers??? When they started to be popular a while ago, I was sure I will soon see you checking them out (since your channel specializes on Chinese products), but it never happened. Winspace approached every independent RUclipsr, one would think that your channel would be on top of their list. Anyway cheers and keep up the great work.
Hey Lukas, yeah i've just never really tried them out, no reason for it really. Might be worth a look tho, I know they are supposed to be incredible...
Why aren't more people talking about ican wheels. They are way cheaper and mine seem to ride great. Oh yeah and the weight for my 38mm rim brake version is only 1320 grams.
Does the freehub itself look like it is swappable with a dt swiss one? Does the freehub have one of those little steel inserts to reduce the cassette digging into the body ?
So I swapped out the star ratchet in these for the set from my DT swiss hubs, and it seemed to work fine. As for the steel insert in the cassette body, it doesnt have it. But TBH as long as you tighten down the cassette to the suggested 40nm (which is super tight), you dont really need the anti-bite guard in my experience.
Can you do a video about balancing wheels? I bought these Elite Wheels and had a problem with too much weight on the valve. It was terrible and gave me a lot of resonance in my bike. I managed to balance them and now they work but think it could help others as well. 🥖
I'm wondering if the ceramic pistons from the LTwoo R9 calipers would fit in the ZRace calipers... They were the same diameter but only a couple grams heavier, right? But the thermal properties might extend the mineral oil life, right?
I have an F8 and tyre clearance maxes out at 25mm tyres. Do we have any idea if 28mm rims are okay on them? Obvious the rims dont deform like a tyre would so think they may be okay?
Yeah the crank is still doing great actually. It started to creak _very_ slightly the other day, but a little grease around the axle and the mouting bolts, problem solved.
Has anybody had issues with the carbon fibre spoke to aluminium nipple. Per electrolysis charts these two materials don’t work well together . (With moisture al nipples turn to powder on carbon ) What compound if any has been used in these wheel builds?
I have the GV45 wheel set and they’re mint. Great customer service answering all my queries, ordered without decals as I found them overbearing. Very pleased with my purchase🛞
Hi Luke, I’m going to have a go at building this same bike (Luv it!!) I’m new to RUclips ,how do I find the discount link to the nine velo cd35 wheels?
🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖Hey I am a beginner cyclist on some old, full carbon bike with a heavy mavic asyrium (not even ksyrium) rim brake wheels. Would you still recommend the lower-priced chinese carbon wheels such as superteam for a small upgrade? I don’t wanna go crazy on wheels, yet. 😊And always, thank you for the amazing content for us.
Thanks for your video ❤ 🥖🍌🥖❤ Abouts zrace calipers- some sellers bundle it with ltwoo groupset, saying "more lightweight version" because it don't need postmount adapter . But I choose original version
🥖🥖🥖🥖Another great video Luke! Long time fan, first time commenter here. Just wondered if you noticed how similar the hubs are to the Elite Drive hubs? Same hub anodised black? Both designed in house... The axle certainly looked a lot better than the Elite one though. I have the Drive 40D and 50D wheels, but unfortunately ordered before the front hub modification. They supplied oversize bearings as a temporary solution, but now the bearing seat has worn, they are loose. I have just reached out to Elite to see if I can get new front hubs.🥖🥖🥖🥖
Ahh interesting. So after checking my Elite 50D wheels, the hubs are def not the same. They use the same number of spokes, but that's where the similarities end. That's annoying about the EliteWheels tho, def let me know the outcome.They claim to have a warranty, and this is DEFINITELY a manufacturing defect, so if they dont help you out, that's a bit shitty. So they sent you an oversize bearing, and even after fitting that, it's still loose??
@@TraceVelo @Trace Velo The o/s bearing was fitted before using the wheels and it worked for a few thousand km, but the bearing became loose again due to wear. Elite wheels have agreed to supply 2 hubs at cost ($40 each, plus shipping $30)
@@neilmcgurk2227 That's not really acceptable, you should definitely argue with them. I had a look, and their warranty is for 3 years, plus I checked the wording for what is covered: *The warranty covers wheels, spokes, nipples, and hubs. The limited warranty only covers issues caused by non-external factors during the warranty period. We offer replacement in case of defects in materials or workmanship.* The hubs are defective, and you paid good money for those wheels. They should provide replacements at no cost to you. Take some screenshots of their policy, and include them in the email you send to them. Let me know what they say, and email me if it's easier: tracevelouk@gmail.com And this is their warranty info page: www.elite-wheels.com/warranty-policy/
Actually just checked their wording again: *If any manufacturing defect is noticed within 30 days of the product being received, Elitewheels is obligated to replace the rim, hub, spoke, or spoke nipple in question as well as pay any shipping costs. If any manufacturing defect occurs after 30 days and up to 3 years after the delivery date, Elitewheels is obligated to replace the rim, hub(except for the bearings), spokes, or spoke nipple. After the 30 day period, the customer is responsible for the shipping costs.* So looks like you might need to pay for shipping unfortunately.
How much would you need to pay importing them, they ship straight from china right? On their website it says $599, let's say €600, how much would I need to add for shipping/import costs? If they reach €850, €900, €1000, wouldn't I be better off buying scribe wheels for €999?
Instead of grease it looks like they designed it to house a rubber O-ring between the two flanges. only they forgot to price them in so it never happened.
Oddly specific question - Does anyone know how the 9Velo rear hub dimesons line up vs. a DT ratchet hub? Basically have DT 350 rear hub, would like to run two wheelsets but hoping the hubs are close enough in dimensions so that I don't have to make any shifting adjustments (rotors are easy as they can be shimmed).
Yeah so it seems like a knockoff of the parktool tm-1. The one I'm using here is from ZTTO, I think it cost me about £13. It's difficult to calculate the actual tension in kilogram-force (kgF), but it shows the relative tension of the spokes, which is more than enough to keep the wheel balanced, or check it over.
So it's exactly the same here. De-stressing is mostly about seating the nipples and heads of the spokes properly into they're places in the rim and the hubs. These spokes have aluminium heads and nipples, so same deal here as far as i am aware.
Yeah apparently the seals have a tendancy to fail, but I think that was only reported on the 4 piston variety. I've had my set on the bike for around 2 weeks, and i've been hammering the brakes on some massive hills near me, and they have been great tbh. The installation was a little annoying, but other than that no complaints so far.
I think putting grease where it's dry might not be a great idea. Grease has a tendency to attract dirt, so any dirt that gets int here will end up like grinding paste, aluminium is soft and then it's a load of grooving into the sides.
Yeah this is fair. I will say though, I put a touch of grease behind the caps as soon as I got them out of the box, and 1000 miles later they are still very clean. The end caps seal _relatively_ well anyway, so keep virtually all the dust and grit out. The grease is mainly just there to keep any water from seeping in behind the caps and sitting right next to the bearing seals for extended periods.
I hear ya. But there's no Alu to wear there on the front end caps. The end caps and axle are co rotating. These hubs have ZERO labyrinth seal, oring, or lip seal. So on balance a bit of grease is better than water going straight into the bearing.
Hambini clearly never has to try and remove end caps that haven't had any grease. He doesn't work in a bike shop, dealing with customer bikes that have been put away in a cold damp shed after a four hour ride, every 3 days for 5 months of salted british roads. I haven't watched all his videos, but I haven't seen one where he needs to try and get a hub apart after that sort of abuse
@hambini, @peak torque (and trace velo) I don't remember if you mentioned in your videos. 36 or 54 ratchet? does it matter? Thank you!
@@8rk mine has the basic ratchet not the DT one. Also, point of engagement on a road bike do not matter 😂
Thanks for guiding us through the maze of inexpensive Chinese brand wheels. I hang around with some serious cyclists who kind of automatically scoff when you mention off brand parts that cost about 1/3 or even 1/4 of prestige name brands. I'm happy to let them support the big name brands by paying premium prices. I'm thrilled with my recent purchase of Ryet wheels. They are very nicely made and finished, perfectly true, and roll and roll and roll.
Ouïgours produits are Nice no problem….
These wheels cost as much as Campagnolo Bora for me, so I rather get a pair of Campagnolo. And 1000 miles is not enough.. My Shimano RS80 that ive had for over 10 years now, has zero maintaince so far. Still like new!.
The wheels are EXCELLENT!! I purchased two sets last year after Hambini and Peak Torque reviews them. Unfortunately I lost my bikes and wheels to a house fire so I had to buy a new set in March. The quality is top notch and best of all, they have the most responsive customer service I’ve ever dealt with.
I cannot recommend 9Velo enough!
Not a roadie but I love your vids. They are all very interesting, informative and non biased. You can also tell a lot of time and effort goes into the production of your vids too. Keep the good work luke
Thanks Chris! Yeah I genuinely put LOADS of effort into each video, and try to improve my stuff every time I upload. For example this episode I slightly changed how I record voiceovers to make the speech a little clearer, and also started playing around with a 360 camera to get some interesting camera angles out on the bike. So glad this is coming across 😊
Luke always deserves an Instalike whenever he uploads a video, cheers bro
Since more and more made-in-Xiamen product will likely be coming to the oversea market, Xiamen can be closely pronounced as "Sha men" (similar to sharp, but without rp)
So it’s prounounced as BING-CHI-LING?
Nope, 夏xia is pronounced “syah” not “sha” 莎
Interesting to see these results. After success buying from Lun, I think went direct to another Chinese supplier and got wheels delivered for $580, 35/45mm deep wheels at under 1300g and they have been brilliant so far. Going direct via email and Skype was interesting, but the risk paid off.
Another interesting trend is Titanium frames out of China from companies like Waltly..... another one that has paid off for me. Would be interesting to see review of these types of frames.
How long did it take to get the walty frame made and delivered ?
Which supplier Ian?
I bought these wheels after watching your video and used your code! they arrived, I didn't have the lube problem. I will also make a video about them. I've only done about 200 kilometers with them yet, but so far they're spectacular.
Fantastic, great to hear!!!! Glad you like them!
Hi, did you have to pay VAT and duty on the wheels. I’m interested but unsure of hidden cost. Thanks, Mike
Great video as usual. Dedicated long form reviews are amazing. Especially for lesser known brands. Good on ya for getting the word out!
It would be very useful if you could say what your height, weight, chest and waist measurements are and say what the size is of the Siroko kit you are wearing. I would like to try some Siroko kit but I don't fancy having to pay the postage to send it back if it says large in the size guide but fits like a small. If you're shy about revealing your body sizing then a simple "the size guide is accurate" or " get a size one / two sizes bigger than what the size guide suggests for a tight / casual fit". Great content. Cheers
Thanks very much for the code. Worked a treat. For all your clowning around, you do have some useful info to share. cheers. x
pre-stressing is esp. important for j-hook spokes as the ends may be slightly bent but not deformed to the hole, so they may be under additional strain leading to a fatigue failure. As you say, more just about seating for straight pull and carbon fiber spokes.
Yeah absolutely. I have had some wheels in the past where it was clearly not properly de-stressed at the factory, and after 200 miles or so, some of the spokes were at WILDLY different tensions. Spokes tend to be well balanced out of the box, but for them to be this consistent after nearly 1000 miles... Yeah very impressive IMO
Luke, I bought the tpu inner tubes you suggested and they have been great! Im sure these wheelset is as well. Thankyou for your reviews!!
I'm on the fence about tubes vs tubeless. But I'm thinking I might try TPU tubes as a halfway-house and see how it goes.
It'd save a few grammes, offer a bit more flat protection, and avoid the faff of replenishing tubeless sealant.
No probs Brian, glad they are working out for you!!!
you should if you care about rotational weight. tubeless tires weigh more than regular. then you need to put another 200 grams of sealant so when all is said and done your tubeless setup is considerably heavier. tpu provides similar rolling resistance reduction as well
Just bought the CD55 carbon spokes wheelset following your review (and using your discount code). Thanks for the really helpfull reviews! Keep it up.
Incredible! Dude you won't regret it, those wheels will be fantastic!!! Just keep an eye out for that grease behind the caps. If you always ride in the dry, don't worry too much, but if you ride in the rain, def get some grease in there!
@@TraceVelo Yes, got that from your review. Will do. That's excactly the kind of info we consumers need. Thanks again
Great video, Luke. I recently acquired a new road bike with Fulcrum wheels. They weigh a ton! (well 1,960g). These wheels in your video might just be the ticket! 👍
Yeah basic fulcrum wheels are built like TANKS! Getting a set of these you could drop 700g, not too shabby!!
@@TraceVelo Yep. Need some new hoops for sure and also integrated bars/stem and carbon seat post. Currently my shiny new road bike is 1kg heavier than my trusty old one. (It does have discs though).
niiice! the bike world needs more of these competitively priced carbon parts. 🥖
I ride up and down mountains. Seriously, I do 20-minute descents at 30-40mph. So please know how much I appreciate your thorough reviews of these products.
I did buy a set of Elite 50D wheels with your discount code. They're great since the change to the hub. Very happy with them.
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Awesome cheers Nick, thanks for the comment!
Do they sell adapter for the wheel from a
12 to 9?
@@Kamiudalan1489do you mean 12 speed to 9 speed? If you buy any wheel with a Shimano HG freehub, you'll need only a readily available spacer to install a 9 speed cassette
@@xtremegopher thanks, I meant a reducer for the axle
the wheels seem really great, especially for the price. Another great video Luke!
Not the most important point, but +1 for using segmented cable housing. If you have the mandrel-drawn and polished cable inside, even better.
Love your honest reviews Luke! Love the wheels, im considering buying a pair tbh. Having replaceable spokes and no cracks or chips after that pinch flat its pretty good!
Certainly looks like a solid choice for that price. Really good value.
🥖🥖🥖Another legendary Trace Velo product review! The brakes look smart. My Shimano 4-pot brakes failed on me mid MTB ride. The ceramic pistons crumbled and left me with only the front brake, which as it turns out is bloody lethal on an MTB when it's steep and muddy. Went with Hope, never looked back. Not sure I'd trust off-brand brakes, but I do appreciate you putting your face at risk for our entertainment.🥖🥖🥖
Yeah i'll be reviewing these in a coming video for sure. I was out on them this afternoon actually, tried to give them a real hammering on some local hils, and they held up fine!
I ordered a set last night. I even used your code. I had Elite wheels, but had one detonate on me while I was pumping it up after changing tires. They’re still under warranty, but I can’t get anyone from Elite to help me with a warranty claim. I’m sure I’ll eventually get it replaced, but I’m not waiting until then to ride.
Thank you for the review. I've been wading through the maze of cheaper Chinese wheels for my gravel bike and I think that this is where I'll go. I like the fact that they don't state a weight limit for their wheels (I'm a 203cm, 101kg rider) and that they've had multiple glowing reviews.
As a point aside, I can't see from their description as to whether the gravel wheels are hooked or not? I'd prefer hooked, and they look hooked, but I cannot be sure.
It just makes my day when I see Trace Velo in my Home Page.
Nice advert....I mean non biased consumer focused video Luke. 😁Thanks to the good quality of these wheel sets, we now have a good alternative to the western brands and some of their extortionate pricing. Top stuff Luke keep the vids coming.
Fin de la baguette course! 🥖🥖🥖 😎👍🏻
DT Swiss hubs are amazingly easy to work on, and stone reliable. That said, the stupid expensive DT Swiss grease is worth looking for, or at least a substitute of a similar viscosity as the hub will make a lot of noise or drag wirh the wrong grease.
These look good, I've just ordered some Elite Wheels 60mm Rim brake wheels so awaiting delivery of those, hoping they perform OK without delamination .
Haha, I'm also currently waiting for 50mm Elite Wheels Rim, I hope it's good for downhill
@@ulyssepoulain4817as long you use corima's brakepad, they are amazing wheels
Hey Luke, great content as always. Just a minor comment on your short of the new hydraulic L-TWOO RX groupset. The brake calipers which you had installed on this bike are not flat mount but post mount. The various adapters that seem to come with the kit are to adapt PM to PM for different size rotors. I didn’t see any PM to IS or FM adapters which would be handy to have as well but that’s a lot of adapters.
Questions, cause I'm really interested in a set of reliable 35 mm deep set of light, carbon wheels.
1. Does the hub has an anti-bite guard (ABG)? I'm going to change the cassettes frequently, so, this is an important aspect.
2. Does the rim have that small hole for water to get out?
3. Number of spokes - 24, did I get it right? 16 on the brake side, 8 on the opposite?
Thanks.
I had a set of their RV-55's arrive about 2 weeks ago. They are pretty good!
I use one of those Co2 caps it's brilliant as you turn it you can control the speed and so forth unlike the button versions. Love the video today too, keep up the great work.
UCI sticker missing :)
That's another thing that you can object to those wheels.
I got me a set of Orome Valar TH50D recently and they have been amazing so far. The only thing im not the biggest fan of are the decals. But the reason i did choose them was the combination of the dt-swiss style hub, lightweight steel spokes and the internal width of 22mm (actually 23mm on my set) and external of almost 30mm. This combination makes running 32mm tires amazing (on tpu tubes, not tubeless since i had a brand new pair of normal gp 5000 laying around). Probably the best Upgrade possible for the conditions im usally riding in (very rough roads from time to time). Previous to them i had major vibrations with the 23mm tires, the 32mm on those rims just floats over everything. Best upgrade so far.
Epic, as usual...keep up the good work
Great review and thanks!
just ordered a pair from HYGGE, ill be doing unboxing and review videos soon.
Thanks for the review. BTW, I looked up Siroko clothing. Their XXL is coming out at a 33inch waist and a 42 inch chest. Looks like us Clydesdales are not welcome.....
Love the videos as ever Luke, 🥖tastic!
Those green calipers look suspiciously like Hope calipers 🤫
Yeah they definitely look pretty similar!
Any chance since they were sent to you that they spent extra time on them to make them perfect? Wonder if you grabbed a random set from them if they would be the same quality?
Yeah this is a great question! I personally dont believe they will have spent any extra time to make them better, but ulimately I can't be sure. I'm a massive skeptic too, so understand you might not trust things at face value, which tbh is a good thing with a lot of stuff you see online. What I will say however is that 1000 miles doesn't lie. After sticking a bit of grease behind the caps, I never touched the wheels, and ran them in all weathers. It's fathomable they could have sent me a wheelset they spent extra time prepping, but for them to be that well balanced after 1000 miles riding on curmmy english B-roads, I think it shows the overall quality.
I think that buying them as a normal consumer would have done would be a fab idea! Perhaps a company could still get you to do a review for them, and just pay you what it costs? Then you bring extra confidence to people that what you receive has a higher chance of being what they will receive.
Silly question time…..these rim sets look amazing and was wondering 💭 is there a carbon wheel for rim brakes at all?
they are.
Great video! I'm on my first pair of Elite Wheels I got after watching your review of those, and I doubt that I need to replace them in the next couple of years based on how much I ride. But should I need a new pair of wheels for the summertime this could be it. Keep up the good work 🥖🥖🥖 - And post a link to your Strava to follow.
Have elite pro 50mm rim brake , before they were famous, and haven't skipped a beat in three years,even rear bearings are still good with my 90 kg arse
Thanks for the review. Very enlightening
Hi Luke, hope all is well? I've just got into cycling and the sport of triathlon. Would you ever fancy building a TT bike? Because I would follow that series.
You inspired me to do some more of my own Aliexpress testing. Not that I aspire to become a youtuber too, that is just not for me. Next up is Aero socks and gloves ( 4,50! for the socks ). Keep up the good work.
On Cade Media channel a carbon expert said that carbon fiber does not stretch. That could have something to do with all the spokes having uniform tension.
Neither do steel spokes pulled merely with spoke nipples.
@@mjokffsgfjs Both of you are wrong. A look at a stress-strain chart will help you out.
Whatever, RUclips comments
@@mjokffsgfjs You can have a cry or you can educate yourself ;)
The grease is where is belongs: behind the sealing rings of the bearing packages.
🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖 Hi Luke.. Just love how you present and test equipment.
I could not help notice how much the bike started to wobbel during "sound test". It seems like wheels are not counter weighted for the valves. This is normally not an issue when riding flat road, but on long decentents (Mountain and Big hills) this can make the bike feeling unstable or worse microvibrate the bike into resonance.
Can you confirm factory is counterweighting the wheels?
Hey Mikkel, yeah good observation! So this is probably a result of the tubeless sealant. The bike was sat like that in the stand for a couple of hours before the sound test, so the sealant would have pooled at the bottom of the tyre. Spinning it up abrubtly doesnt really give the sealant enough time to evenly coat the inside of the tyre, hence the wobbling. Wether they counterweight the wheels, I have no idea. However I would probably suspect not.
So I just bought a set from 9velo. Not the same rim but still 44mm deep. During my sound test, the wheel almost stayed in place with a crazy minimum vibration. 100ml sealant and stock valve installed.
also, counterweighting the wheel is not that helpful since it's only static.
@@youling1997 what do you mean by it's just static?
Counterwaight is actually athing preventing wheelwobble...
Try and go down a mountain with 60+km/t... you will most likely feel the difference
@@mikkelhenriksen for cars they spin the wheel up to balance it right? They don't just figure out which part of the wheel is heavier by letting it hang and add counter weight
Xiamen... roughly pronounced: Sha-men... "Sha" (like in Sharon) and "men" like in "Gentlemen" 🥖🥖🥖
These remind me of the Scribe offering in terms of price and some of the spec. UK vs China wheel shoot out?
Keep up the good work, 🥖🥖🥖
Hi Luke, again another great video. I'm looking for wheels for climbing. Would you recommend this CD35 wheelsets?
Hi Luke, great review. Side question ,Any issues with the crankset shown on the bike?
Hello Luke, you were previously using iiiPro branded hydraulic brake calipers ... did those prove to be reliable?
I am personally using some LTWOO hydraulic calipers with "egg-roll" pads on gravel bike and they stop very well with excellent brake-feel however the iiiPro and ZRACE calipers are somewhat lighter ( but not a benefit if they aren't reliable )/. many thanks
That bike looks awesome, I wanna get new wheels, only got Mavik Aksium ones on, but the whole tubelesss / tubular thing is confusing.
Thing is, it doesn't matter too much from a safety perspective if the chain came off on the largest gear on the back, you'd only be using that gear on a steep hill so wouldn't be going fast anyway.
"it doesn't matter too much from a safety perspective if the chain came off on the largest gear on the back" - maybe not from safety, but could get very expensive if it wedges between cassette and spokes and takes out a bunch of spokes. Could lead to a walk home and much expense.
11:33 that notched cone design to undo the freehub is a stupid design. On my ELITE wheels it’s recessed and there’s no tool for it. Apart from paying extra from the manufacturer after finding out I can’t service or grease my freehub because they designed a tool only they have. Amazing
I managed to crack one of those notches as I used nose pliers which fitted snugly but sheared off one edge so I have half the height on one of the edges
What are these like for tubeless tyre compatibility? I've been frustrated with limited choice and difficulty of seating tubeless tyres to OEM Giant SLR hookless rims. They've proved almost impossible to get tyres seated properly (running round) if you need to do do a roadside repair, such as fitting a tube. Hence I'm tempted to find some hooked, tubeless compatible rims if this opens up greater tyre choice, easier set-up, and less troublesome road-side repairs.
Luke, I was always wondering, why you never tested Lun’s Hypers??? When they started to be popular a while ago, I was sure I will soon see you checking them out (since your channel specializes on Chinese products), but it never happened. Winspace approached every independent RUclipsr, one would think that your channel would be on top of their list.
Anyway cheers and keep up the great work.
Hey Lukas, yeah i've just never really tried them out, no reason for it really. Might be worth a look tho, I know they are supposed to be incredible...
Is it possible they made sure the wheels were perfect before sending it to you? Thanks
Luke, i notice that you haven't frame review the new bike frame..or its just me that miss the video?
I'm still riding 10 speed and rim break... Might look into the brand. I've been wanting some new wheels
They are not cheap. At this price I recommend French makadamm wheels. Alloy come in at 1.3kg at 690€, and carbone ones at 790€.
Please can you say what the recommended maximum tyre pressure is for 9velo wheels? Hopefully not too low as they are hooked.
Why aren't more people talking about ican wheels. They are way cheaper and mine seem to ride great. Oh yeah and the weight for my 38mm rim brake version is only 1320 grams.
Does the freehub itself look like it is swappable with a dt swiss one? Does the freehub have one of those little steel inserts to reduce the cassette digging into the body ?
So I swapped out the star ratchet in these for the set from my DT swiss hubs, and it seemed to work fine. As for the steel insert in the cassette body, it doesnt have it. But TBH as long as you tighten down the cassette to the suggested 40nm (which is super tight), you dont really need the anti-bite guard in my experience.
Can you do a video about balancing wheels? I bought these Elite Wheels and had a problem with too much weight on the valve. It was terrible and gave me a lot of resonance in my bike. I managed to balance them and now they work but think it could help others as well. 🥖
Do you have any guidance on their cheaper models, the NV or LV series?
I'm wondering if the ceramic pistons from the LTwoo R9 calipers would fit in the ZRace calipers... They were the same diameter but only a couple grams heavier, right? But the thermal properties might extend the mineral oil life, right?
Hope you get to the 100k followers soon bro! ❤🎉
You should do a "free bike giveaway to Thailandretromods " 100k video... 😂
I have an F8 and tyre clearance maxes out at 25mm tyres.
Do we have any idea if 28mm rims are okay on them? Obvious the rims dont deform like a tyre would so think they may be okay?
Luke, do you know who makes the best TT bike frame in China? Not sure if you had any experience with them. Thanks
Hey Luke, hows the crank doing? I have it in my basket but just waiting for your seal of approval! 😁
Yeah the crank is still doing great actually. It started to creak _very_ slightly the other day, but a little grease around the axle and the mouting bolts, problem solved.
Has anybody had issues with the carbon fibre spoke to aluminium nipple. Per electrolysis charts these two materials don’t work well together . (With moisture al nipples turn to powder on carbon ) What compound if any has been used in these wheel builds?
Really like the look of these wheels tbf kinda fancy them 😬😬
Do you recommend any of there non ceramic wheels as well? Thank you
why do u choose the CD 35 wheelset ?
Are there didn’t end caps available for those of us on older bikes that use qr 135 mm?
Great review! What cable housings did you use for the RD?
I have the GV45 wheel set and they’re mint. Great customer service answering all my queries, ordered without decals as I found them overbearing. Very pleased with my purchase🛞
What is the name of the hub please, as I’ve been looking on Aliexpress and I’m not sure if they are the old pawls type hubs or not.
Cheers
These or the EliteWheels Drives?
Hi Luke, I’m going to have a go at building this same bike (Luv it!!) I’m new to RUclips ,how do I find the discount link to the nine velo cd35 wheels?
i don't see the appeal. Same price and weight as, for example, Zipp 303 S or Mavic Cosmic SL but i have to order from China and fight taxes + tariffs?
🥖🥖🥖🥖🥖Hey I am a beginner cyclist on some old, full carbon bike with a heavy mavic asyrium (not even ksyrium) rim brake wheels. Would you still recommend the lower-priced chinese carbon wheels such as superteam for a small upgrade? I don’t wanna go crazy on wheels, yet. 😊And always, thank you for the amazing content for us.
Hey man, do you any intention or plan to test KUNG wheelset?
Can you do a review on the new ltwoo electronic hydraulic group set called LTWOO eRX
Yeah i'd love to, as soon as I can get a set I will!
You don't need to de stress carbon spoked wheels its done in the factory
are you buying the ltwoo erx groupset anytime soon?
Yeah, as soon as i can get my hands on one, im gonna check it out!
Thanks for your video ❤ 🥖🍌🥖❤
Abouts zrace calipers- some sellers bundle it with ltwoo groupset, saying "more lightweight version" because it don't need postmount adapter . But I choose original version
🥖🥖🥖🥖Another great video Luke! Long time fan, first time commenter here. Just wondered if you noticed how similar the hubs are to the Elite Drive hubs? Same hub anodised black? Both designed in house... The axle certainly looked a lot better than the Elite one though. I have the Drive 40D and 50D wheels, but unfortunately ordered before the front hub modification. They supplied oversize bearings as a temporary solution, but now the bearing seat has worn, they are loose. I have just reached out to Elite to see if I can get new front hubs.🥖🥖🥖🥖
Ahh interesting. So after checking my Elite 50D wheels, the hubs are def not the same. They use the same number of spokes, but that's where the similarities end. That's annoying about the EliteWheels tho, def let me know the outcome.They claim to have a warranty, and this is DEFINITELY a manufacturing defect, so if they dont help you out, that's a bit shitty. So they sent you an oversize bearing, and even after fitting that, it's still loose??
@@TraceVelo @Trace Velo The o/s bearing was fitted before using the wheels and it worked for a few thousand km, but the bearing became loose again due to wear. Elite wheels have agreed to supply 2 hubs at cost ($40 each, plus shipping $30)
@@neilmcgurk2227 That's not really acceptable, you should definitely argue with them. I had a look, and their warranty is for 3 years, plus I checked the wording for what is covered:
*The warranty covers wheels, spokes, nipples, and hubs. The limited warranty only covers issues caused by non-external factors during the warranty period. We offer replacement in case of defects in materials or workmanship.*
The hubs are defective, and you paid good money for those wheels. They should provide replacements at no cost to you. Take some screenshots of their policy, and include them in the email you send to them. Let me know what they say, and email me if it's easier: tracevelouk@gmail.com
And this is their warranty info page: www.elite-wheels.com/warranty-policy/
Actually just checked their wording again:
*If any manufacturing defect is noticed within 30 days of the product being received, Elitewheels is obligated to replace the rim, hub, spoke, or spoke nipple in question as well as pay any shipping costs. If any manufacturing defect occurs after 30 days and up to 3 years after the delivery date, Elitewheels is obligated to replace the rim, hub(except for the bearings), spokes, or spoke nipple. After the 30 day period, the customer is responsible for the shipping costs.*
So looks like you might need to pay for shipping unfortunately.
Have you tried light bike wheels?
How much would you need to pay importing them, they ship straight from china right?
On their website it says $599, let's say €600, how much would I need to add for shipping/import costs?
If they reach €850, €900, €1000, wouldn't I be better off buying scribe wheels for €999?
Instead of grease it looks like they designed it to house a rubber O-ring between the two flanges. only they forgot to price them in so it never happened.
Drive 50D early days before the hype was and should still be the benchmark. 50mm at 1300g at $1015 USD.
would you like to review the Xcadey power meter next?
Oddly specific question - Does anyone know how the 9Velo rear hub dimesons line up vs. a DT ratchet hub? Basically have DT 350 rear hub, would like to run two wheelsets but hoping the hubs are close enough in dimensions so that I don't have to make any shifting adjustments (rotors are easy as they can be shimmed).
I have a question about the tension meter you used. Is it an Ali special too? I still need one of those items.
Yeah so it seems like a knockoff of the parktool tm-1. The one I'm using here is from ZTTO, I think it cost me about £13. It's difficult to calculate the actual tension in kilogram-force (kgF), but it shows the relative tension of the spokes, which is more than enough to keep the wheel balanced, or check it over.
@@TraceVelo Thank you. I will have a look.
Great wheels, my wheels are brilliant.
Destressing is a thing with steel spokes. Not sure if it does anything with this design....
So it's exactly the same here. De-stressing is mostly about seating the nipples and heads of the spokes properly into they're places in the rim and the hubs. These spokes have aluminium heads and nipples, so same deal here as far as i am aware.
Damn, just bought some ltwoo r9s with those xrace calipers. Tell us more about the failures please!
Yeah apparently the seals have a tendancy to fail, but I think that was only reported on the 4 piston variety. I've had my set on the bike for around 2 weeks, and i've been hammering the brakes on some massive hills near me, and they have been great tbh. The installation was a little annoying, but other than that no complaints so far.
@@TraceVelo cool will give them a go and see 🙈
There a very tasty wheelset , wondering if they do any custom colours on the decals?
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