Hey Seekers! You can read more about the evolution of Tesla’s autopilot features here: electrek.co/guides/tesla-autopilot/. These DO make use of ultrasound and radar, just not LIDAR, a controversial stance in the industry (and this research points to why: arxiv.org/pdf/1708.09839.pdf). As user daniel munoz pointed out in the comments, most recently, they unveiled their ‘Enhanced Summon’ feature, where you just tap a button on your phone and your car can autonomously “fetch” itself back to you from a crowded parking lot: www.cnbc.com/2019/04/09/tesla-rolling-out-enhance-summon-feature-car-drives-itself-to-you.html 🤯 What do you think? Is Tesla going to make “fetch” happen?
@@bruhweexist Agreed, I usually like Seeker video's but this one is a biased uninformed load.
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Love how we're ok with humans driving with a pair of eyes that jump all over the place and perceive only a tiny section of the surroundings at any given moment, but a multitude of cameras continuously monitoring every side of the vehicle aren't enough... 🧐
@@bruhweexist My feelings are similar to yours, but I can see why Tesla was not a comprehensive part of this video, and other videos/news stories: They're currently classed as level 2, and while you and I can see the writing on the wall, media people classically do not. One day, when a Tesla is "200% or 300% safer than a human," Musk will flip a switch and only then will they scratch their heads and wonder why they didn't see it coming...
The whole comment stating that Elon only believes cameras are necessary is extremely misleading the way it’s used. Teslas use ultrasonic sensors and radar as well. Also they have achieved level 3 on highways and with enhanced summon the vehicle can pick you up in a parking lot on its own. To be fair these are recent which is why they may have not been included in the video.
Sorry guys. lvl3 is you have to take over during emergency but you dont have to observe. The car tells you when to take over. And when it tells you, you have ca 10 seconds time. The car bears responsibility part time. In Tesla only the driver is responsible therefore Level 2 or ADAS.
This video dismisses Telsa. Elon stated last week that with the existing hardware, the cars they make today would be able to be self-driving level 4 by the end of 2019. Now that means probably the end of 2020 but still, look at ALL the people who dismissed Elon Musk and his companies.
Right?! Dean and Todd's account of their trip is still online here: www.cs.cmu.edu/~tjochem/nhaa/Journal.html. The internet was just a fledgling back in those days, so NHAA's was one of the world's first travel blogs! 🐣✈️
@VACCINATE YOUR KIDS ALREADY! The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
No one went out of their way to make the most impossible thing possible by simply just taking it slow, if you rested you’re better off spending your money elsewhere
Level 6: Replacement - self-driving cars replace you and do all your work for you Level 7: Dominance - they are sentient and start to get rid of useless humanity
"Cameras struggle with darkness, depth and reflections." errr. When it comes to darkness, Yes, cheep ones have a problem, like in a smart phone. But self-driveing cars would more likely be equipped with low to mid range DSLR grade sensors. Also, what you are looking at when it comes to darkness is ISO. A high ISO can handle dark conditions better with the addition of noise. To a photographer, noise does not look good. But to a computer, It does not care if it looks good, it just wants useable data, and a moderate amount of noise can easily be ignored by an AI. The depth problem is simple. Two cameras and boom, depth perception. As for reflections, An AI can easily learn what a reflection is. based on how the world is being projected from the object, or by having an IR and RGB camera combo. The IR camera will also help in dark conditions as well.
This ^^ Just like humans see reflections but know how to ignore them, the AI should be able to use a couple cameras and learn to ignore reflections. Imagine if humans had a pair of eyes at the front, middle, and back, facing all directions.
@@pilotavery The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
Yeah, cameras struggle with darkness, depth and reflection. Like... eyeballs, which humans use to drive. So the whole comment about cameras was stupid. I'm pretty sure we can make artificial visual sensors which would be better than human eyes. It's a bit more difficult if we want to fit them inside human eyeballs and use them as eye replacement, not as difficult if it's a bunch of sensors stuck to a car. The A.I. is advancing together with hardware, with more advanced, better A.I. weaker cameras can replace high quality sensors with similar efficiency.
Tesla is doing it so differently from everyone else. Outsiders are so clueless about where they are at, but Tesla owners including myself knows they are way ahead of Waymo (of which only works in 1 city). Last time I went to airport, 3 hours round trip, I'd say my active driving was less than 5 minutes, everything else is done with no input to the car.
As someone who works on Self driving cars myself. We use the same radar systems but with lidar. If you saw what a radar image of a human jaywalker looked like vs radar I wouldn't trust Tesla's system. I have co-workers with auto pilot and the reaction time while fast isn't as fast as ours especially in direct sunlight.
This video dismisses Telsa. Elon stated last week that with the existing hardware, the cars they make today would be able to be self-driving level 4 by the end of 2019. Now that means probably the end of 2020 but still
Yeah lots of misleading statements regarding Tesla here, also, what happened to Amy Teitel and the camp guy?! Something you're not telling us Seeker...!?!
@@PaperDragons The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
@@bradhaaf4749 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
@@BXJ-mi9mm You are definetely not really deep in the matter. Tesla IS definetely ahead of Chryslers cruise control. Waymo on the other hand has everything mapped out where the car can drive and even then can't make a proper turn.
@@igabobalushi that is what I mean. I already will be on conference calls driving into work. Automation would just allow me to pop open the laptop and work on my way to work
Depends entirely on your job. No wage earners will be working in the car the advantage of wage pay is the work day ends. Salaried employees are expected to work on demand so yea you will be working.
Tesla, the greatest fleet of cars with the greatest sets of data, with new custom TPUs for their exact cars. And only gets a quote about the cameras. Poor research
Humans only have 2 cameras (eyes) and if skilled, are very effective in avoiding collisions. Teslas also have ultrasonic sensors and have the most data with autopilot. This video is clearly biased against tesla
@@qncsc , we can't say for sure but they do have quite a lot of data for various driving situation and they are already implementing hardware capable of level 4 autonomy to the recent cars. Software might be comming by the end of 2019
@tommy aronson Assume it is better. Most humans have two eyes, can only focus on one point at a time, and see in a narrow light spectrum. Tesla's have up to 8 cameras, radar, and ultrasound. This is connected to the world's most advanced computer for autonomous driving that can process 2000fps at full resolution on all cameras with the ability to focus on dozens of points simultaneously. This creates invaluable data that is collected over their neural net for ML whenever we drive on Autopilot. These simple sensors combined with ML is all that is required for full autonomy that is "safer" than humans. What Waymo is doing will take much much longer but will eventually be "safer" than a Tesla.... in the areas they work. Until then my Tesla drives me home today.
@@redfalconsmdx The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
Your comment about Elon Musk is incorrect. He also uses RADAR for the things you mentioned as downsides. LIDAR has a big issues with bad weather so it will never be 100% autonomous. By the end of 2021 we will see Tesla's approach and maybe change your mind.
@@alexhein6054 That's the main reason to start the list with Tesla. He didn't just said a few examples, he listed every single company, except Tesla. That tells a lot.
@tommy aronson That's because everyone else choose the easy root that is a dead end. Tesla develops a system that works everywhere all the time with cheap cameras only. Others rely on expensive and unreliable lidar and very detailed maps that are hard to create. Tesla's other advantage is the billions of miles of data from real drivers, that's priceless and can't be matched by anyone else.
Guru Mage yeah I don’t get how Waymo is the leader. Are they closer than Tesla? I haven’t seen any Waymo vehicles driving around here in Cali. I seen thousands of Teslas that are driving around in autopilot though.
@tommy aronson It does when data is the key. For example, try to give the data to the best person you can imagine to use it for ML. Oh wait you can't. You don't have the data.
Me too. I wish they wouldn't use people with some of the worst vocal fry on the planet. I love the content but I frankly struggle to watch an entire video without my ears bleeding...
Guys...calm down. Each company has their own pros and cons to handling self-driving cars. Looking at things objectively; Tesla's AI has a bunch of data, but hasn't reached level 4 or 5. Waymo and others haven't attained as much data, but have reached level 4. Who's the best? Who cares...
@tommy aronson The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
Tesla already has level 3 autonomy on highways (requires driver to only intervene in emergencies) without using LiDAR. The car even passes slow cars on the road by itself. With the rate their AI is collecting data (100,000s of cars on the road), they most likely will be the first to achieve full autonomy. Waymo and Cruise have a limited number of test drivers on the road. Besides, achieving 95% autonomy with LiDAR is easy. There are dozens of startups doing that. Achieving the last 5% is the tricky part. LiDAR is limited in its capability. I'm with Elon on this - better to do it the hard way, slowly getting more and more autonomy.
@tommy aronson "Check the news"? I've been following Tesla for almost 3 years. Believe me, I'm fully aware of their progress. Why don't you check their latest Navigate on Autopilot feature and tell me what's missing for what seems to be essentially level 3 autonomy on highways?
@@yeahh2085 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
@@actualfactual8737 Funny though it was Free Markets that helped at some point Create an Oil Industrial Monopoly. It's more that Regulations have failed do to Government having lack of good Politicians. There was a time, but his long dead, and long has that election has pass. 1912 I believe, Theodore Roosevelt if the party didn't split and he won the nomination, We could have seen the Potential of an Amendment to ban lobbying, but sadly as we see in our history, and it is this part of history that indeed changed for the way we see it now Wilson won not only leading towards today's corruption, but this Imperial Intervention. Also remember the Gilded Age, the time of Free Market.
The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
If Waymo is such a leader in automation why can't I use it in more than one city? Tesla already has level 3 available to anyone that can afford a normal luxury sedan. It's not even close how far away Tesla is from it's competitors. It's really unfortunate Seeker chose to omit the massive software/hardware contributions made by the Tesla team.
3:25 This guy lists companies who are billions of miles behind (literally) Tesla, and calls them "leaders" in the emerging tech but doesn't list Tesla. Either he forgot somehow, or he has no clue what he's on about.
Tesla already has the market, that’s indisputable. They already have an army of clean electric autonomous cars, millions of miles of data and a massive charging network while these startups are literally using old tech affixed to clunky gas cars using a dataset they don’t even have yet. It’s so bizarre to watch this, these companies are gonna get crushed lol.
Also says only camera's conveniently leaving out the radar that is also part of there hardware, and ignoring the fact that humans only use 2 camera's that are forward facing while the tesla has 8.
Anyone who is into engineering and especially sensors will tell you- you can never rely on any technology alone! There are too many things to account for on the road! Unfortunately general public doesn’t know. Sensors work on feedback principle and even with the best control systems there are unpredictable errors occur. Cities have too many things to account for, it’s not just simple navigation and start-stop in time. On top of everything your sensors can be blocked by dirt, not receive signal due to bad weather conditions ( like heavy rain or snow/fog), not recognise or mistaken danger. Control response can get delayed or overshoot and overall driving will be very unstable. In UK we have very narrow road, give ways, roundabouts- no Tesla car can selfdrive on such roads. It will keep on stopping and holding the traffic. It’s good to have all those sensors just as a safety feature but drivers presence and attention will always be required
shoud have mentioned Tesla They are the leading company on autonomous driving tecnology One thing is a autonomous car that drive itself just on some especific maped neighborhood. Another thing is a car that can drive itself on almost every highway on level 2-3 autonomy in 80%-90% of the time and be realy safe doing it I'm not ignoring the importance of companies like waymo, of course they are extremely important to the development of this tecnology, the more people working on this is better The thing is that tesla autopilot is better, safer and more usable in various conditions( such as bad weather) and is constantly improving itself via software updates (English is not my first language, so I probably made some gramatical mistake writing this)
Here is a essay about self driving cars I made for school: I think robot cars will affect me poorly, for they could be dangerous. For example, they could drive you into a lake and you could drown. First of all, hacking is possible within robots, for phones are hacked, your accounts can be hacked, many stuff can be hacked. Now just imagine, if you were inside the object that was being hacked. Someone could hack your car to drive into a lake, or lock its doors. And you can’t do anything. With a phone, data can be deleted. If a car is hacked, you're inside the car, you like information inside, stored inside the car. Second of all, you have no control. I mean, you may tell your car to do something, but what if it picks it up wrong, or just ignores you? So, what I mean is, if you get in a No Drive Car, you're not the one driving. It’s a robot, programmed by a stranger you don’t even know, and it somehow follows through your orders, knows your voice, your looks, everything. Who knows, what if some hacker hacked into your car, and got all your information, just because it was…stored there. Once it’s hacked in, rumors and personal information could be spread around about you, and you can’t take it back. Once the words are out, they are out. So, I think robot cars will affect my life poorly. I could be hacked, I could give away my personal information. Should I really be putting myself in danger, just to sit back and relax?
What’s the point of a car if you’re not driving it ? You might as well just call an Uber if you don’t wanna drive.. pretend like the driver isn’t there and sit there do whatever you would do in a “ driverless vehicle “ 🙄 The whole point is to Enjoy the features that come with the vehicle you paid so much for.
Checked the date hoping this video came out 2 years ago or something. But nope it’s published 2019 and they don’t know the leaps and bound Tesla is making. Really shows how little people know about Tesla while “knowing all about their short comings”
This video is completely clueless about the tech that Tesla is deploying now. How close are we... 12 months. Game, Set and Match. It's already over, it's just non-Tesla owners don't know it.
Norm Berg Dude no kidding, it’s so weird watching this. I almost thought this video was 10 years old. Tesla already owns the market, these startups are gonna get crushed lol.
@Keith Christensen oh my goodness! Did those trains and planes crash because of traffic? Who put that car in the sky? No they do not crash because of traffic. Well if you get hit by a train you pretty much deserve it. You know because there not just gonna turn out of no where and getcha. You better watch out, those crazy train are well known for cutting left right off the tracks. Lol you're the reason we need self driving cars. Literally.
I don't see it happening because they can't code for everything people are stupid and will screwed up somehow plus what if wild animals get on a highway the cars aren't going to know to go off road to get around a pile up
@Keith Christensen the only way it will never happen is if we come up with and entirely new type of transportation or we destroy ourselves first. Otherwise, it's inevitable. Autonomous vehicles will virtually eliminate traffic, crashes, and vehicular fatalities.
I don't understand why Tesla is always put down when it comes to self driving and everything else they do. In my opinion, Tesla is the only campany closer to self driving than any other ones.
It's got to be financially motivated. Tesla has explained their approach to fsd for 3 years now and their method does make sense. They don't even acknowledge how their approach works which shows a strong bias.
@@larryspiller15 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
Hunter x craft Well considering I was talking about hearing and feeling the subtle movements of weight shifting and the feeling of the road, I'm just going to file this one under r/woosh. Sure a person can drive with only their eyes. That doesn't mean one is good at it. I'm talking about hitting efficient driving lines, which most people have no clue about and I highly doubt self driving cars available to the public anytime in my lifetime will be any good at.
@@caddyguy5369.. Not to mention, braking isn't always the best option, if ever, to avoid running into stuff. Which is the only option self driving vehicles are capable of
scikick agreed. I’m not a millennial but if the price of a subscription is lower than the costs of owning one I’m going with subscription. The good thing about subscribing is that I can change the car as needed. Going to work I use just a regular but maybe on the weekend I need a truck or SUV size. Can’t do that if I own the car.
Is anyone thinking about what the bad guys will do? Trying to disturb the radars, gps and cameras of the cars using micro wave transmitters and green lasers and whatnot. Quite scary I think.
Scary indeed! There's a cool article here that sums up a talk by car hacker duo Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek, explaining how they work to simplify and secure self-driving car designs to make them impervious to attacks: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/10/autonomous_car_hacking/. You can also read their full report here: illmatics.com/securing_self_driving_cars.pdf You know what we say... MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED! 🕵️
Frobard Can't lie. I'm not a fan of autonomous vehicles, but I have thought about how fun it will be to mess with them while they have no control over what the car does because they are too lazy to pay attention and learn how to drive.
4:44 There is so much misinformation in this video. Please guys, do your research before you publish this kind of stuff. "Elon thinks we can do this with cameras alone." *Wrong.* Teslas have a multitude of sonar sensors to augment the camera vision. "[Cameras] still struggle with darkness, depth, and reflections." Humans drive with cameras alone. We don't have range sensors or anything else, yet we manage. So yeah, it's likely very possible cameras will absolutely "cut it", as you put it. "Lidar is probably the most common and most impressive technology being used." Holy shit, seriously? Most common? Absolutely not even close! Tesla has WAY more miles than anyone else, and they're not using 360-degree Lidar. Most impressive? I guess it's a matter of opinion, but you don't think artificial intelligence and machines learning to interpret the world around them is more impressive than laser range detectors? On a whole, this video feels extremely poorly researched. Which is sad, because this "future" technology is something that's extremely close, and almost everyone watching this will experience in their lifetime. Seeker really dropped the ball on this one, and lost at least one subscriber as a result.
Actually it contains a HUGE error -> LVL 5 should NOT have a driver wheel a human could use to "interfere" with the car´s A.I. normal (superior) workings.
We could of been at level 5 10yrs ago if they asked me. :) I felt it would be a lot easier to change the roads to magnetic tracks. The cars to shuttles wouldnt need an engine because it would be powered by the tracks which would make cars(shuttle) cheaper, lighter and need Zero Gas. You/City/States would use a program/computer/AI to run the whole transportation system. The system would go faster and faster as the bugs got worked out. You would no longer have accidents, drunk drivers, missing people, and crimes ect. The shuttle would be able to tell you instantly how long it will take to get where you are going. You would no longer need seats in front they all could be around a table like in a van. :) If this was in place it would eliminate the need for gas and oil. :)
@@Rubysh88 No I am not. I am just a guy who's ascared about the concept of Strong AI. I am reading a book by Roger Penrose, The Emporor's New Mind, where he writes in length about shortcomings of artificial intelligence. I feel machines should be used as tools, not totally act on our behalf... Eh but what do I know.
@@Mr0BC *_"I am just a guy who's ascared about the concept of Strong AI...I feel machines should be used as tools, not totally act on our behalf..."_* 👏👏👏 YOU sir, hit the nail right on the head with that one! The rest of the "flock", however, will continue to worship Silicon Valley and the A.I. that it creates as their "gods" until "they" deem us humans as unnecessary. And this is coming from a PC gaming enthusiast, mind you.
Just got a new car, which has some of these "level 2" functions. I HATE IT. I have turned most of them off. It was constantly telling me I was out of my lane when I wasn't, that I was closer to the objects ahead of me than I was, and trying to brake for me when I didn't want to.
Too much about sensors and not enough about machine learning and neural nets. Tesla is easilly lightyears ahead of waymo. Tesla is building a fully dynamic self sufficent system, waymo relies on geo fenced locations where all the challenges have to be pre determined how the system reacts to unique features, or edge cases in the area they cover. Tesla is building more than autopilot, but a self driving neural net that exists today, amd collects two to three orders of magnitude more data than anyone else. Sorry its no contest. I do believe Tesla will have Full Self Driving by the end of this year. Their approach is much harder to get to work, but when it does, it is easily the most logical approach for how to get it done. Humans will train the machine without even realizing it, just like the google search algorhythm.
Long-haul freight-shipping truck fleets will be automated long before passenger vehicles will become self-driving. It is much easier for a truck to drive itself on a long, straight stretch of highway than for a vehicle to navigate a busy urban environment with a million variables. Long-distance transportation might become automated, but regular around-the-city travel won't in the foreseeable future.
Hopefully they are ready to update this video after the Tesla announcement later this month. 10 years away from being able to buy a car with thise capabilities? My Model 3 already has the hardware necessary, it's just a matter of software now.
I’m a professional drone pilot, I’ve helped in the surveying of land, plots, bridges, lakes and canals. Drafting square footage/kilometers for commercial business and the private sector. Just with the equipment I own and operate with, The autonomous factor level and firmware used just in my DJI brand drones alone are unmatched. My latest drone has multiple 360 real-sense 4K cameras x10 each all the way around it with 6 sensor points of obstacles avoidance that can virtually see through and around blind curves and buildings. Not to mention dual sensing GPS (Russ/USA) barometric pressure assist in altitude hold/climb rate, and separate Optical flow sensors. You really would have a hard time trying to wreck, bump, or crash it purposely. Now imagine all this on a larger scale the size of an SUV.
One of the competitors in the DARPA challenge that the Stanford team won was an autonomous motorcycle. It did not do very well on the slow speed obstacle navigation test as it wasn't able to keep it's balance. Presumably had it employed a gyroscopic balance mechanism, it may have been able to handle the low speed tasks.
This was a refreshingly balanced perspective on AVs! 🙏 Usually AV coverage only includes the tech bros and the people who financially benefit from automation. I sincerely appreciate you including Corinne from NACTO. The policy perspective of things above and around the AVs themselves is often absent.
Im 22 and And I wont be buying one in my life time unless it is handed to me for free. I love driving, not sitting behind a wheel. There is a difference.
Ravi Rajyaguru Don’t worry you will be fine for a long time before it is illegal to drive on your own. Eventually driving will become a hobby like horse riding. Where people go to a certain area to drive and have fun.
I think we can use auto-pilots for planes as an analogy. In the early stages the pilots were blamed, this is the stage where society and our laws are today and will likely stay there for an other decade or two. In the case of planes that slowly transisions to manufacturers as automatisation is growing more mature. We can see this with the recent groundings of boeing planes: Faulty automatisation is now seen as part of the plane rather than a pilot responsibility to correct/account for. Also as technology progresses there is less and less a pilot can actually do to prevent accidents in a case of failure. One interessting realisation we had along the way (that might have played a role in this change of mind): The more reliable the technology becomes, the less likely it becomes for a pilot to intervene, as they learn to trust the automation. Imagine this: there is a red button that you need to press as fast as possible as soon as a red light lights up in order to prevent a catastrophe. If that happens often, you will expect it and react fast, but if that happens extremly rarely you will react much slower as your mind will drift away to that point that you might miss it completly. So my bet would be the drivers will have full responsibility until the manufacturers start removing the possiblity to intervene. At that point it's the manufacturers who will take the civil responsibility, but most of the financial responsibility will remain at the owner. Meaning that if people get killed, the owner will take no blame, but will still have to pay damages that his car causes. As its often the case with stuff that happens rarely and (seemingly) randomly insurances will cushion those responsibilities, and will switch their risk model to something based more on accident density (i.e. you will have to pay more, if your car drives on streets where accidents happen more often or the car make you own is involved in more accidents).
AI cars remind me about the paperless office saying " there will be a paperless office when there is a paperless BATHROOM". In a DECADE or two maybe; sensors, algorithms, and data bases have a long way to go, the real world is random, not limited and controlled space like a video game or simulator.
Great video, with one glaring problem. It is said that crashes with autonomous vehicles suggest that we should be hesitant to allow widespread use of level 2-3 autonomy, however this is misleading. The number of crashes per mile driven with existing autonomous platforms (namely Tesla, for their vast dataset proven time and time again), is significantly lower than the number of crashes per mile driven by human drivers. The technology is already safer, yet the few crashes highlighted in the video suggest otherwise.
I love how this city folk think they're ever going to have empty pleasant uncrowded streets. Making cars drive themselves isn't going to change your population density. Best case it relieves some traffic cause by human errors when the machines make less errors. Still not going to get people walking cross town to work in the rain and even if you did somehow manage this completely unrelated daydream there would then be lots of people walking around. The animation with like 4 cars a bus and a few pedestrians....not downtown.
First rule of driving I learned is that I could not trust the other driver. Since I don't know what their thinking, I therefore do not know what they are doing. If I can't trust a primitive sapien to drive (safely), how am I going to trust a machine to drive (safely)? Just because we can do a thing, doesn't mean we should do a thing.
Our Grandchildren will not believe we actually drove cars manually without an AI system and certainly won't believe we used refined oil products as the preferred fuel source.
When I was very young it was with a Swiss casarodante with my Uncle who created it, and we had to stop in the middle of the road and witness a fatal car accident, I was really shocked by that episode, if technology could avoid especially in the routes the end of accidents, would be a great progress for humanity.
It’s very interesting that the only mentions of Tesla/Musk are negative, inaccurate put downs and backhanded slights. I’m certain the answer to this bizarre tone lies in who’s funding the video. To be clear Tesla is the trail blazing (real world) leader in autonomous driving, and no one else comes close. Btw, more than half a million Teslas are on the road, with billions upon billions of miles driven. Yes there have been less than a handful of Autopilot involved accidents, all caused by driver misuse. THUMBS DOWN for dishonesty and misinformation.
The future is crazy! I can see the front seat slowly being removed from AVs as we get to levels 4-5. It will be amazing once it’s basically a living room on wheels. Full size customized vans for large parties and just imagine the luxury cars like RR and Bentley! So exciting to be alive during this era. Although I wish I was born 200 years in the future.
It is weird to suggest it cannot be done with camera's alone. The road is literally designed to be able to be used by people using there eye sight. Camera's are better at seeing in the dark and you can have camera's on all sides.
Hey Seekers! You can read more about the evolution of Tesla’s autopilot features here: electrek.co/guides/tesla-autopilot/. These DO make use of ultrasound and radar, just not LIDAR, a controversial stance in the industry (and this research points to why: arxiv.org/pdf/1708.09839.pdf).
As user daniel munoz pointed out in the comments, most recently, they unveiled their ‘Enhanced Summon’ feature, where you just tap a button on your phone and your car can autonomously “fetch” itself back to you from a crowded parking lot: www.cnbc.com/2019/04/09/tesla-rolling-out-enhance-summon-feature-car-drives-itself-to-you.html 🤯
What do you think? Is Tesla going to make “fetch” happen?
@@bruhweexist It's a great point. You could listen to a 5 minute clip of Elon Musk and have a much better idea about what's going on.
@@bruhweexist Agreed, I usually like Seeker video's but this one is a biased uninformed load.
Love how we're ok with humans driving with a pair of eyes that jump all over the place and perceive only a tiny section of the surroundings at any given moment, but a multitude of cameras continuously monitoring every side of the vehicle aren't enough... 🧐
Track name please!!! Thanks!!
@@bruhweexist My feelings are similar to yours, but I can see why Tesla was not a comprehensive part of this video, and other videos/news stories: They're currently classed as level 2, and while you and I can see the writing on the wall, media people classically do not. One day, when a Tesla is "200% or 300% safer than a human," Musk will flip a switch and only then will they scratch their heads and wonder why they didn't see it coming...
The whole comment stating that Elon only believes cameras are necessary is extremely misleading the way it’s used. Teslas use ultrasonic sensors and radar as well. Also they have achieved level 3 on highways and with enhanced summon the vehicle can pick you up in a parking lot on its own. To be fair these are recent which is why they may have not been included in the video.
Level 3 means no observation is needed. If you dont monitor the Tesla Autopilot you are dead very quickly.
@@Dragonblood94 Wrong. Level 3 you still have to take over during emergency.
@@Dragonblood94 your thinking level 4.
Sorry guys. lvl3 is you have to take over during emergency but you dont have to observe. The car tells you when to take over. And when it tells you, you have ca 10 seconds time. The car bears responsibility part time.
In Tesla only the driver is responsible therefore Level 2 or ADAS.
This video dismisses Telsa. Elon stated last week that with the existing hardware, the cars they make today would be able to be self-driving level 4 by the end of 2019. Now that means probably the end of 2020 but still, look at ALL the people who dismissed Elon Musk and his companies.
Wow, 20+ years ago a dude already did it!!! Mind blowing!
Right?! Dean and Todd's account of their trip is still online here: www.cs.cmu.edu/~tjochem/nhaa/Journal.html. The internet was just a fledgling back in those days, so NHAA's was one of the world's first travel blogs! 🐣✈️
@VACCINATE YOUR KIDS ALREADY!
The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
Autonomous vehicles have been around for close to thirty years on private mapped out tracks. The difficulty is human interaction.
So in 20 years little change. Maybe it's a bad idea
No one went out of their way to make the most impossible thing possible by simply just taking it slow, if you rested you’re better off spending your money elsewhere
Level 6: Replacement - self-driving cars replace you and do all your work for you
Level 7: Dominance - they are sentient and start to get rid of useless humanity
Which is the origin story for the movie Cars.
Cars
Omg I'm dying 😂
Level 5 is the highest lol
@@HardKore5250 ISSA JOK.
"Cameras struggle with darkness, depth and reflections."
errr.
When it comes to darkness, Yes, cheep ones have a problem, like in a smart phone. But self-driveing cars would more likely be equipped with low to mid range DSLR grade sensors.
Also, what you are looking at when it comes to darkness is ISO. A high ISO can handle dark conditions better with the addition of noise.
To a photographer, noise does not look good. But to a computer, It does not care if it looks good, it just wants useable data, and a moderate amount of noise can easily be ignored by an AI.
The depth problem is simple. Two cameras and boom, depth perception.
As for reflections, An AI can easily learn what a reflection is. based on how the world is being projected from the object, or by having an IR and RGB camera combo. The IR camera will also help in dark conditions as well.
This ^^
Just like humans see reflections but know how to ignore them, the AI should be able to use a couple cameras and learn to ignore reflections.
Imagine if humans had a pair of eyes at the front, middle, and back, facing all directions.
@@pilotavery The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
Your comment need more likes!!
Yeah, cameras struggle with darkness, depth and reflection. Like... eyeballs, which humans use to drive. So the whole comment about cameras was stupid. I'm pretty sure we can make artificial visual sensors which would be better than human eyes. It's a bit more difficult if we want to fit them inside human eyeballs and use them as eye replacement, not as difficult if it's a bunch of sensors stuck to a car. The A.I. is advancing together with hardware, with more advanced, better A.I. weaker cameras can replace high quality sensors with similar efficiency.
Tesla is doing it so differently from everyone else. Outsiders are so clueless about where they are at, but Tesla owners including myself knows they are way ahead of Waymo (of which only works in 1 city).
Last time I went to airport, 3 hours round trip, I'd say my active driving was less than 5 minutes, everything else is done with no input to the car.
Yeah this video completely disregards Tesla and is either biased or just uninformed.
yeah thought they would mention that tesla is practically level 3
What I wonder is what does it mean partial input. How do you know you need to input control? Does it beep or something?
As someone who works on Self driving cars myself. We use the same radar systems but with lidar. If you saw what a radar image of a human jaywalker looked like vs radar I wouldn't trust Tesla's system. I have co-workers with auto pilot and the reaction time while fast isn't as fast as ours especially in direct sunlight.
@@OneManOnFire wow thats great! Looking forward to see the companies tech that you work with, in 10+ years time or so...
Not enough coverage on Tesla Autopilot features. One of the best in market at comparatively affordable price!!
This video dismisses Telsa. Elon stated last week that with the existing hardware, the cars they make today would be able to be self-driving level 4 by the end of 2019. Now that means probably the end of 2020 but still
Yeah lots of misleading statements regarding Tesla here, also, what happened to Amy Teitel and the camp guy?! Something you're not telling us Seeker...!?!
@@josephelston4101 is that the amy from vintage space? If so, she just finished writing her book and came back to doing youtube last week
@@PaperDragons The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
I love how they perceive waymo as the leader and not Tesla who has way more miles driven
Ya i think Elon said something like "out of the 407,000 cars collecting data 400,000 are teslas"
And feeding them into their AI system which studies how humans drive, which they also failed to mention...
Tesla isn't the leader. They are just the most "cool" and reckless one.
@@bradhaaf4749 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
@@BXJ-mi9mm You are definetely not really deep in the matter. Tesla IS definetely ahead of Chryslers cruise control. Waymo on the other hand has everything mapped out where the car can drive and even then can't make a proper turn.
I want a self driving body in which I sleep for 24 hours.
hmmm
so death?
Go to cemetary then
Get a humanoid robot and sleep at home 😁
@GamingTV Which is basically the entire human population in 100 years.
Extra hour of sleep... Lol. It is going to be replaced with an extra hour of your job
Ken Schmiesing Right? They’ll probably have you clock in the moment you get in your car
Nah, shes talking about sleeping in your car
@@igabobalushi that is what I mean. I already will be on conference calls driving into work. Automation would just allow me to pop open the laptop and work on my way to work
@@benjeesilv1596 not sure what you mean. I would get in the car to get to the office. Not everything can be done remote
Depends entirely on your job. No wage earners will be working in the car the advantage of wage pay is the work day ends. Salaried employees are expected to work on demand so yea you will be working.
Tesla, the greatest fleet of cars with the greatest sets of data, with new custom TPUs for their exact cars. And only gets a quote about the cameras. Poor research
I downvoted the video for this very reason.
Waymo obviously sponsored and is 5-10 years behind Tesla
Typical Seeker research. They are very poor at that.
Humans only have 2 cameras (eyes) and if skilled, are very effective in avoiding collisions. Teslas also have ultrasonic sensors and have the most data with autopilot. This video is clearly biased against tesla
And level 4 autonomy comming the end of 2019
Tesla is ... way way out on the fringe. If you watched the video that is obvious.
@@qncsc , we can't say for sure but they do have quite a lot of data for various driving situation and they are already implementing hardware capable of level 4 autonomy to the recent cars. Software might be comming by the end of 2019
@tommy aronson Assume it is better. Most humans have two eyes, can only focus on one point at a time, and see in a narrow light spectrum. Tesla's have up to 8 cameras, radar, and ultrasound. This is connected to the world's most advanced computer for autonomous driving that can process 2000fps at full resolution on all cameras with the ability to focus on dozens of points simultaneously. This creates invaluable data that is collected over their neural net for ML whenever we drive on Autopilot. These simple sensors combined with ML is all that is required for full autonomy that is "safer" than humans. What Waymo is doing will take much much longer but will eventually be "safer" than a Tesla.... in the areas they work. Until then my Tesla drives me home today.
@@redfalconsmdx The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
I feel like when self driving cars come to be, more people will not have cars. Things like uber and lyft will be cheaper.
Self driving uber and lyft lol?
The future is lyft and uber having autonomous cars. There will be no more human "professional" drivers. Other than race car drivers. LOL
Your comment about Elon Musk is incorrect. He also uses RADAR for the things you mentioned as downsides. LIDAR has a big issues with bad weather so it will never be 100% autonomous. By the end of 2021 we will see Tesla's approach and maybe change your mind.
Nice, how the guy around 3:30 listed everyone, except Tesla, the the leader in the field.
Ikr, he mentioned BMW and Mercedes, they're behind Tesla in this technology, yet he ignored it.
Pretty biased, ofc.
Cuz Tesla already made it before all those brands. No need to mention Tesla again
@tommy aronson Still Tesla.
@@alexhein6054
That's the main reason to start the list with Tesla. He didn't just said a few examples, he listed every single company, except Tesla. That tells a lot.
@tommy aronson
That's because everyone else choose the easy root that is a dead end. Tesla develops a system that works everywhere all the time with cheap cameras only. Others rely on expensive and unreliable lidar and very detailed maps that are hard to create.
Tesla's other advantage is the billions of miles of data from real drivers, that's priceless and can't be matched by anyone else.
This technology would only get better with more data from drivers...
Tesla may actually win this way before waymo
and have a lot more cars than waymo so people can utilize the technology a lot more
Guru Mage yeah I don’t get how Waymo is the leader. Are they closer than Tesla? I haven’t seen any Waymo vehicles driving around here in Cali. I seen thousands of Teslas that are driving around in autopilot though.
@tommy aronson It does when data is the key. For example, try to give the data to the best person you can imagine to use it for ML. Oh wait you can't. You don't have the data.
I like the direction seeker has taken so far. Keep it up 👍
Only downside will be elimination of truck drivers in the future
@@sethwho7913 also bus drivers and cab drivers
Me too. I wish they wouldn't use people with some of the worst vocal fry on the planet. I love the content but I frankly struggle to watch an entire video without my ears bleeding...
@@maxmouche their videos are biased
I wish they still had Trace😩
(don't mention tesla cause they didn't pay for it)
what ? where are you getting this from ? @tommy aronson
@tommy aronson I think you're stuck at level 3, in development years. Also its TESLA.
Guys...calm down. Each company has their own pros and cons to handling self-driving cars. Looking at things objectively; Tesla's AI has a bunch of data, but hasn't reached level 4 or 5. Waymo and others haven't attained as much data, but have reached level 4. Who's the best? Who cares...
@tommy aronson The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities!
@tommy aronson check out the Tesla Autonomy Day event ;-)
Tesla already has level 3 autonomy on highways (requires driver to only intervene in emergencies) without using LiDAR. The car even passes slow cars on the road by itself.
With the rate their AI is collecting data (100,000s of cars on the road), they most likely will be the first to achieve full autonomy. Waymo and Cruise have a limited number of test drivers on the road.
Besides, achieving 95% autonomy with LiDAR is easy. There are dozens of startups doing that. Achieving the last 5% is the tricky part. LiDAR is limited in its capability.
I'm with Elon on this - better to do it the hard way, slowly getting more and more autonomy.
great comment.
Can you provide a link/source that states that Tesla takes over the responsibility for monitoring the driving situation (level 3)?
IT'S FAXX!
@tommy aronson tell that to google.
@tommy aronson "Check the news"? I've been following Tesla for almost 3 years. Believe me, I'm fully aware of their progress. Why don't you check their latest Navigate on Autopilot feature and tell me what's missing for what seems to be essentially level 3 autonomy on highways?
So if A.I. drove a BMW would it learn it doesn't need to use blinkers?
Inside car enthusiast joke 😂😂
@@yeahh2085 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
@@actualfactual8737 What do mean by Free Market?
@@hectorvega621 There are documentarys on this...if you cant find them anymote on youtube...try vimeo. You want to live? You gotta pay.
@@actualfactual8737 Funny though it was Free Markets that helped at some point Create an Oil Industrial Monopoly. It's more that Regulations have failed do to Government having lack of good Politicians. There was a time, but his long dead, and long has that election has pass. 1912 I believe, Theodore Roosevelt if the party didn't split and he won the nomination, We could have seen the Potential of an Amendment to ban lobbying, but sadly as we see in our history, and it is this part of history that indeed changed for the way we see it now Wilson won not only leading towards today's corruption, but this Imperial Intervention. Also remember the Gilded Age, the time of Free Market.
Why is there no mention to tesla when talking about autonomous vehicles??
Just wait until april 22nd. Tesla has an announcement regarding autonomy scheduled for then i believe.
Or mention Andrew Yang
because Tesla doesn't deserve mentioning. Lets not inflate Musk's already unjustifiably massive ego any further.
@@nicholi8208 Andrew yang doesn't need mentioned in these discussions, but Tesla definitely does
Renegade Fox lol you don’t have a clue. Ego has nothing to do with any of this.
Hotz & Musk would disagree with video quite strongly.
The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
If Waymo is such a leader in automation why can't I use it in more than one city? Tesla already has level 3 available to anyone that can afford a normal luxury sedan. It's not even close how far away Tesla is from it's competitors. It's really unfortunate Seeker chose to omit the massive software/hardware contributions made by the Tesla team.
Yeah wonder why this video talked o little about the leader in the field Tesla
3:25 This guy lists companies who are billions of miles behind (literally) Tesla, and calls them "leaders" in the emerging tech but doesn't list Tesla.
Either he forgot somehow, or he has no clue what he's on about.
theres a bit of bias behind the research team on this one in my opinion
This video is lame. It's not objective
Tesla already has the market, that’s indisputable. They already have an army of clean electric autonomous cars, millions of miles of data and a massive charging network while these startups are literally using old tech affixed to clunky gas cars using a dataset they don’t even have yet. It’s so bizarre to watch this, these companies are gonna get crushed lol.
doesn't mention the fact that tesla has less deaths per mile with autopilot engaged than disengaged 🤔
Do not trust any statistics you did not fake yourself.
Autopilot is mainly used in highways so this is not representative of reality.
Also says only camera's conveniently leaving out the radar that is also part of there hardware, and ignoring the fact that humans only use 2 camera's that are forward facing while the tesla has 8.
You should have waited for Tesla's autonomy day. Game, set, match.
Anyone who is into engineering and especially sensors will tell you- you can never rely on any technology alone! There are too many things to account for on the road! Unfortunately general public doesn’t know.
Sensors work on feedback principle and even with the best control systems there are unpredictable errors occur.
Cities have too many things to account for, it’s not just simple navigation and start-stop in time. On top of everything your sensors can be blocked by dirt, not receive signal due to bad weather conditions ( like heavy rain or snow/fog), not recognise or mistaken danger. Control response can get delayed or overshoot and overall driving will be very unstable.
In UK we have very narrow road, give ways, roundabouts- no Tesla car can selfdrive on such roads. It will keep on stopping and holding the traffic.
It’s good to have all those sensors just as a safety feature but drivers presence and attention will always be required
@Touch Boinics Try telling that to the rest of the sheep who worship tech corporations like gods.
Well, for folks who can't drive, it would greatly help them out.
WE HAVE TAXIS TOO IN THIS WORLD U KNOW
JUST KIDDING
Not everywhere has taxis and buses
shoud have mentioned Tesla
They are the leading company on autonomous driving tecnology
One thing is a autonomous car that drive itself just on some especific maped neighborhood. Another thing is a car that can drive itself on almost every highway on level 2-3 autonomy in 80%-90% of the time and be realy safe doing it
I'm not ignoring the importance of companies like waymo, of course they are extremely important to the development of this tecnology, the more people working on this is better
The thing is that tesla autopilot is better, safer and more usable in various conditions( such as bad weather) and is constantly improving itself via software updates
(English is not my first language, so I probably made some gramatical mistake writing this)
I do not want to live in that world! - Do not assume everyone wants something.
Driving is fun.
Here is a essay about self driving cars I made for school:
I think robot cars will affect me poorly, for they could be dangerous. For example, they could drive you into a lake and you could drown.
First of all, hacking is possible within robots, for phones are hacked, your accounts can be hacked, many stuff can be hacked. Now just imagine, if you were inside the object that was being hacked. Someone could hack your car to drive into a lake, or lock its doors. And you can’t do anything. With a phone, data can be deleted. If a car is hacked, you're inside the car, you like information inside, stored inside the car. Second of all, you have no control. I mean, you may tell your car to do something, but what if it picks it up wrong, or just ignores you?
So, what I mean is, if you get in a No Drive Car, you're not the one driving. It’s a robot, programmed by a stranger you don’t even know, and it somehow follows through your orders, knows your voice, your looks, everything. Who knows, what if some hacker hacked into your car, and got all your information, just because it was…stored there. Once it’s hacked in, rumors and personal information could be spread around about you, and you can’t take it back. Once the words are out, they are out.
So, I think robot cars will affect my life poorly. I could be hacked, I could give away my personal information.
Should I really be putting myself in danger, just to sit back and relax?
What’s the point of a car if you’re not driving it ?
You might as well just call an Uber if you don’t wanna drive.. pretend like the driver isn’t there and sit there do whatever you would do in a “ driverless vehicle “ 🙄
The whole point is to Enjoy the features that come with the vehicle you paid so much for.
Tesla has the most advanced autopilot with 1 billion miles driven & you just took a dump on their achievement.
Agreed, Seeker messed up bad on this one.
ahmed ali So sick of the media hating on Tesla, happens all the time dammit!
these video is misleading. tesla don't use camera only. tesla car have sensor
Checked the date hoping this video came out 2 years ago or something. But nope it’s published 2019 and they don’t know the leaps and bound Tesla is making. Really shows how little people know about Tesla while “knowing all about their short comings”
This video is completely clueless about the tech that Tesla is deploying now. How close are we... 12 months. Game, Set and Match. It's already over, it's just non-Tesla owners don't know it.
Norm Berg Dude no kidding, it’s so weird watching this. I almost thought this video was 10 years old. Tesla already owns the market, these startups are gonna get crushed lol.
Let me just stop you there... "This is a world we ALL want to live in"?!? Since when? I personally love driving and being behind the wheel.
Self driving cars will eliminate traffic once all cars are self driven and commutes should take the exact amount of time every day.
Lol because plains and trains are always on time.
@Keith Christensen oh my goodness! Did those trains and planes crash because of traffic? Who put that car in the sky? No they do not crash because of traffic. Well if you get hit by a train you pretty much deserve it. You know because there not just gonna turn out of no where and getcha. You better watch out, those crazy train are well known for cutting left right off the tracks. Lol you're the reason we need self driving cars. Literally.
I don't see it happening because they can't code for everything people are stupid and will screwed up somehow plus what if wild animals get on a highway the cars aren't going to know to go off road to get around a pile up
@Keith Christensen the only way it will never happen is if we come up with and entirely new type of transportation or we destroy ourselves first. Otherwise, it's inevitable. Autonomous vehicles will virtually eliminate traffic, crashes, and vehicular fatalities.
@Keith Christensen, yeah, except that it will.
I’d rather drive than have a autonomous car.
I don't understand why Tesla is always put down when it comes to self driving and everything else they do. In my opinion, Tesla is the only campany closer to self driving than any other ones.
It's got to be financially motivated. Tesla has explained their approach to fsd for 3 years now and their method does make sense. They don't even acknowledge how their approach works which shows a strong bias.
@@larryspiller15 The faster we can implement this the faster our engineers can get behind other important issues like robotics and dental replacements and other surgerys. It costs 4k to 5k each tooth to replace!! Imagine replacing a whole set!!!. Now the government wants to give free everything healthcare and thats going backwards. Time to take the free market back and make other things much safer and cheaper with robotics, 5G , ultrasonic sensors and AI if not at least algorythms. Now thats a few industries technology can disrupt, imagine the real posibilities! Anywhere where there is too much spending, thats where the disruption will happen.
Why do people think cameras wont be enough for self driving cars? I only drive with my eyes I'm gonna assume a computer can do the same.
Hunter x craft If you only drive with your eyes, your doing it wrong... :-)
@@caddyguy5369 lol I only need my eyes to see allowing me to drive. I dont need radar. Logically neither would a car that drives itself
Hunter x craft Well considering I was talking about hearing and feeling the subtle movements of weight shifting and the feeling of the road, I'm just going to file this one under r/woosh.
Sure a person can drive with only their eyes. That doesn't mean one is good at it. I'm talking about hitting efficient driving lines, which most people have no clue about and I highly doubt self driving cars available to the public anytime in my lifetime will be any good at.
@@caddyguy5369.. Not to mention, braking isn't always the best option, if ever, to avoid running into stuff. Which is the only option self driving vehicles are capable of
12:55 **Buying** a car? Nope!!
We millennials will just pay a monthly subscription instead.
scikick Speak for yourself. I'd rather buy.
scikick agreed. I’m not a millennial but if the price of a subscription is lower than the costs of owning one I’m going with subscription. The good thing about subscribing is that I can change the car as needed. Going to work I use just a regular but maybe on the weekend I need a truck or SUV size. Can’t do that if I own the car.
Just please stop voting! Lol
@1000 Subscribers With No Videos *_"Millennials love putting their self In debt."_*
Amen to that! And this is coming _from_ a "millennial".
I like your long form in depth videos better than your short ones. Keep up the good work!
Is anyone thinking about what the bad guys will do? Trying to disturb the radars, gps and cameras of the cars using micro wave transmitters and green lasers and whatnot. Quite scary I think.
Scary indeed! There's a cool article here that sums up a talk by car hacker duo Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek, explaining how they work to simplify and secure self-driving car designs to make them impervious to attacks: www.theregister.co.uk/2018/08/10/autonomous_car_hacking/. You can also read their full report here: illmatics.com/securing_self_driving_cars.pdf
You know what we say... MORE RESEARCH IS NEEDED! 🕵️
Frobard Can't lie. I'm not a fan of autonomous vehicles, but I have thought about how fun it will be to mess with them while they have no control over what the car does because they are too lazy to pay attention and learn how to drive.
Love this idea of our city planner overlords structuring the whole thing, because government and central planning generally works (it doesn't).
4:44 There is so much misinformation in this video. Please guys, do your research before you publish this kind of stuff.
"Elon thinks we can do this with cameras alone." *Wrong.* Teslas have a multitude of sonar sensors to augment the camera vision.
"[Cameras] still struggle with darkness, depth, and reflections." Humans drive with cameras alone. We don't have range sensors or anything else, yet we manage. So yeah, it's likely very possible cameras will absolutely "cut it", as you put it.
"Lidar is probably the most common and most impressive technology being used." Holy shit, seriously? Most common? Absolutely not even close! Tesla has WAY more miles than anyone else, and they're not using 360-degree Lidar. Most impressive? I guess it's a matter of opinion, but you don't think artificial intelligence and machines learning to interpret the world around them is more impressive than laser range detectors?
On a whole, this video feels extremely poorly researched. Which is sad, because this "future" technology is something that's extremely close, and almost everyone watching this will experience in their lifetime. Seeker really dropped the ball on this one, and lost at least one subscriber as a result.
Ryan Steffer Teslas don’t have lasers afaik. Please provide source.
The "level 5" icon should be slammin Tequila and doin bong hits. For accuracy.
Actually it contains a HUGE error -> LVL 5 should NOT have a driver wheel a human could use to "interfere" with the car´s A.I. normal (superior) workings.
Ummm... i dont want to live in a world where i have to get a physical in a car
We could of been at level 5 10yrs ago if they asked me. :) I felt it would be a lot easier to change the roads to magnetic tracks. The cars to shuttles wouldnt need an engine because it would be powered by the tracks which would make cars(shuttle) cheaper, lighter and need Zero Gas. You/City/States would use a program/computer/AI to run the whole transportation system. The system would go faster and faster as the bugs got worked out. You would no longer have accidents, drunk drivers, missing people, and crimes ect. The shuttle would be able to tell you instantly how long it will take to get where you are going. You would no longer need seats in front they all could be around a table like in a van. :) If this was in place it would eliminate the need for gas and oil. :)
I hope these are never finished tbh
why not, are you another "good ol'days motorhead" purist?
@@Rubysh88 No I am not. I am just a guy who's ascared about the concept of Strong AI. I am reading a book by Roger Penrose, The Emporor's New Mind, where he writes in length about shortcomings of artificial intelligence. I feel machines should be used as tools, not totally act on our behalf... Eh but what do I know.
@@Rubysh88 What's so awfull about driving a car yourself? If driverless cars become a real thing, at some point you won't be alowed to drive a car
@@Rubysh88 And your just happy to trade over another freedom in the name of what? laziness?
@@Mr0BC *_"I am just a guy who's ascared about the concept of Strong AI...I feel machines should be used as tools, not totally act on our behalf..."_*
👏👏👏 YOU sir, hit the nail right on the head with that one! The rest of the "flock", however, will continue to worship Silicon Valley and the A.I. that it creates as their "gods" until "they" deem us humans as unnecessary. And this is coming from a PC gaming enthusiast, mind you.
Either poorly done research or completely biased disregarding major players and spreading false information's also.
Amazing, I'm so impatient to be a part of this revolution.😀
Shouldn't we record the brains of some Tokyo drifters so all our car's can Fast and the Furious everywhere flawlessly?
Just got a new car, which has some of these "level 2" functions. I HATE IT. I have turned most of them off. It was constantly telling me I was out of my lane when I wasn't, that I was closer to the objects ahead of me than I was, and trying to brake for me when I didn't want to.
I'd hate that actually...I don't even like it when friends drive
@@sarahy.2442 Sometimes you're the passenger in the friends car
Wow! Excellent look at a developing technology that will impact all of us in the near future! Well done, Seeker! Great presentation, Maren!!!
Too much about sensors and not enough about machine learning and neural nets. Tesla is easilly lightyears ahead of waymo. Tesla is building a fully dynamic self sufficent system, waymo relies on geo fenced locations where all the challenges have to be pre determined how the system reacts to unique features, or edge cases in the area they cover. Tesla is building more than autopilot, but a self driving neural net that exists today, amd collects two to three orders of magnitude more data than anyone else.
Sorry its no contest. I do believe Tesla will have Full Self Driving by the end of this year. Their approach is much harder to get to work, but when it does, it is easily the most logical approach for how to get it done. Humans will train the machine without even realizing it, just like the google search algorhythm.
Its been two years. You are wrong. Telsa cars still need humans.
The cars are not fully automated by AI.
You are so wrong!
@@theoeguia3302 lol. Let's place a bet. I am $200k deep in Tesla, you can short the stock or buy waymo, and we will see who wins.
@@dreiak So stock price == self driving?
Long-haul freight-shipping truck fleets will be automated long before passenger vehicles will become self-driving. It is much easier for a truck to drive itself on a long, straight stretch of highway than for a vehicle to navigate a busy urban environment with a million variables. Long-distance transportation might become automated, but regular around-the-city travel won't in the foreseeable future.
You have no idea how close Tesla are to full autonomy. the biggest obstacle will be government legislation.
You should have made the video after Tesla's autonomous driving convention on the 22nd they're probably going to talk about level four and such
Level 10: birth of lightning mcqueen.
Tesla now has full self driving
jan simonides why not
I love it when you guys make longer videos. However not keen on the research team for this one.
Hopefully they are ready to update this video after the Tesla announcement later this month. 10 years away from being able to buy a car with thise capabilities? My Model 3 already has the hardware necessary, it's just a matter of software now.
I’m a professional drone pilot, I’ve helped in the surveying of land, plots, bridges, lakes and canals. Drafting square footage/kilometers for commercial business and the private sector. Just with the equipment I own and operate with, The autonomous factor level and firmware used just in my DJI brand drones alone are unmatched. My latest drone has multiple 360 real-sense 4K cameras
x10 each all the way around it with 6 sensor points of obstacles avoidance that can virtually see through and around blind curves and buildings. Not to mention dual sensing GPS (Russ/USA) barometric pressure assist in altitude hold/climb rate, and separate Optical flow sensors. You really would have a hard time trying to wreck, bump, or crash it purposely. Now imagine all this on a larger scale the size of an SUV.
Video was super well made too bad you didnt make it yesterday when i had an exam on autonomous driving ;-;
Ever since I subscribed to Seeker, my brain has grown over 200 times larger with all the knowledge. True story!
@Nona I doubt you'll be able to fit into one of those "autonomous" cars, then. 😂
At least we have motorcycles, never saw an autonomous motorcycle 🏍 😉
BMW built one. Just look for it on RUclips.
@Keith Christensen as the software matures for cars, it wont be hard to achieve that on bikes.
then you know its over
"Terminator Salvation"
One of the competitors in the DARPA challenge that the Stanford team won was an autonomous motorcycle. It did not do very well on the slow speed obstacle navigation test as it wasn't able to keep it's balance. Presumably had it employed a gyroscopic balance mechanism, it may have been able to handle the low speed tasks.
It would be totally pointless. Motorcycles are mostly used by enthusiasts not by Mr/Mrs everybody who just needs basic transportation.
This was a refreshingly balanced perspective on AVs! 🙏 Usually AV coverage only includes the tech bros and the people who financially benefit from automation. I sincerely appreciate you including Corinne from NACTO. The policy perspective of things above and around the AVs themselves is often absent.
Im 22 and And I wont be buying one in my life time unless it is handed to me for free.
I love driving, not sitting behind a wheel. There is a difference.
I agree
Kole Tokar You obviously don’t sit in bumper to bumper for 2 hours a day then.
Who said anything about sitting behind a wheel, as cars in the future might not even require that.
I don't see the point of owning those cars anyway. It will probably be offered as "car as a service" since they can pick you up by themselves.
Leader Locksmith That seems like a dumb place to live.
thx for the episode. This was a really fun watch. So much quality in the production.
Don't take away my freedom to advertise how my driving skills excel over the populous.
David Czolij exactly! What about people like us who love, and are great at driving!
Ravi Rajyaguru Don’t worry you will be fine for a long time before it is illegal to drive on your own. Eventually driving will become a hobby like horse riding. Where people go to a certain area to drive and have fun.
These driverless cars will explode in popularity almost overnight.
I want to ask one thing "Who will be responsible if a self-driving car hits or kill someone?".
the human driver of course
True it is inevitable that will happen, but on a positive note. With self driving cars the number of accidents will be reduced dramatically.
I think we can use auto-pilots for planes as an analogy. In the early stages the pilots were blamed, this is the stage where society and our laws are today and will likely stay there for an other decade or two. In the case of planes that slowly transisions to manufacturers as automatisation is growing more mature. We can see this with the recent groundings of boeing planes: Faulty automatisation is now seen as part of the plane rather than a pilot responsibility to correct/account for. Also as technology progresses there is less and less a pilot can actually do to prevent accidents in a case of failure.
One interessting realisation we had along the way (that might have played a role in this change of mind): The more reliable the technology becomes, the less likely it becomes for a pilot to intervene, as they learn to trust the automation. Imagine this: there is a red button that you need to press as fast as possible as soon as a red light lights up in order to prevent a catastrophe. If that happens often, you will expect it and react fast, but if that happens extremly rarely you will react much slower as your mind will drift away to that point that you might miss it completly.
So my bet would be the drivers will have full responsibility until the manufacturers start removing the possiblity to intervene. At that point it's the manufacturers who will take the civil responsibility, but most of the financial responsibility will remain at the owner. Meaning that if people get killed, the owner will take no blame, but will still have to pay damages that his car causes. As its often the case with stuff that happens rarely and (seemingly) randomly insurances will cushion those responsibilities, and will switch their risk model to something based more on accident density (i.e. you will have to pay more, if your car drives on streets where accidents happen more often or the car make you own is involved in more accidents).
AI cars remind me about the paperless office saying " there will be a paperless office when there is a paperless BATHROOM". In a DECADE or two maybe;
sensors, algorithms, and data bases have a long way to go, the real world is random, not limited and controlled space like a video game or simulator.
*_"...not limited and controlled space like a video game or simulator."_*
But that is the ultimate goal; to sterilize society.
I really dont want a car, so I really hope autonomous driving becomes a normal thing
Chad Connelly Why would it matter to you either way if you aren't going to get either?
Chad Connelly
Your RUclips name matches you perfectly: A lazy millennial chad boy.
Great video, with one glaring problem. It is said that crashes with autonomous vehicles suggest that we should be hesitant to allow widespread use of level 2-3 autonomy, however this is misleading. The number of crashes per mile driven with existing autonomous platforms (namely Tesla, for their vast dataset proven time and time again), is significantly lower than the number of crashes per mile driven by human drivers. The technology is already safer, yet the few crashes highlighted in the video suggest otherwise.
Tesla is simply better then the competition
I love how this city folk think they're ever going to have empty pleasant uncrowded streets. Making cars drive themselves isn't going to change your population density. Best case it relieves some traffic cause by human errors when the machines make less errors. Still not going to get people walking cross town to work in the rain and even if you did somehow manage this completely unrelated daydream there would then be lots of people walking around. The animation with like 4 cars a bus and a few pedestrians....not downtown.
Maybe at 3 am?
I'm making the popcorn to watch the political fights on this topic
Maren is a great host. I really like the enthusiasm for each topic!
Suspicious avoidance of talking about Tesla here. They're the biggest contender in this space and never talked about in this video.
First rule of driving I learned is that I could not trust the other driver. Since I don't know what their thinking, I therefore do not know what they are doing. If I can't trust a primitive sapien to drive (safely), how am I going to trust a machine to drive (safely)? Just because we can do a thing, doesn't mean we should do a thing.
I have a self driving car. I drive it my-self.
no this is not a world we all want to live in . driving is freedom.
I watched your "how close are we to getting picture of black hole video" day before they published it, lol.
This was an incredibly informative and well put,easy to comprehend journey of autonomous vehicles ! Great job seeker!
Our Grandchildren will not believe we actually drove cars manually without an AI system and certainly won't believe we used refined oil products as the preferred fuel source.
When I was very young it was with a Swiss casarodante with my Uncle who created it, and we had to stop in the middle of the road and witness a fatal car accident, I was really shocked by that episode, if technology could avoid especially in the routes the end of accidents, would be a great progress for humanity.
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Seeker is a fantastic science channel. The videos are well illustrated with relevant footage
This technology is the best ever because that’s the only invention that will give me two extra more hours to SLEEP!!!)))
or just one because traffic will be much more efficient once the majority of cars is self driving. :P
@@holleey Then he would have to leave later, still giving him extra time to sleep
@@briandiehl9257 daminit.. I failed at logic ^^
@@holleey Maybe you just need more sleep...
“Road block.” I see what you did there. 😏
"This is a world we all want to live in" Meh, speak for yourself, i much rather drive cars on my own!
great video production folks
It’s very interesting that the only mentions of Tesla/Musk are negative, inaccurate put downs and backhanded slights. I’m certain the answer to this bizarre tone lies in who’s funding the video. To be clear Tesla is the trail blazing (real world) leader in autonomous driving, and no one else comes close. Btw, more than half a million Teslas are on the road, with billions upon billions of miles driven. Yes there have been less than a handful of Autopilot involved accidents, all caused by driver misuse. THUMBS DOWN for dishonesty and misinformation.
*Tesla said 2 years.* Around 2021 to 2025.
They are upgrading their software all the time.
From SF to San Jose, there are so many of these cars being tested.
The future is crazy! I can see the front seat slowly being removed from AVs as we get to levels 4-5. It will be amazing once it’s basically a living room on wheels. Full size customized vans for large parties and just imagine the luxury cars like RR and Bentley! So exciting to be alive during this era. Although I wish I was born 200 years in the future.
Next robot police having the ability to kill humans
It is weird to suggest it cannot be done with camera's alone. The road is literally designed to be able to be used by people using there eye sight. Camera's are better at seeing in the dark and you can have camera's on all sides.