The Parallel clamps Have To Go! [video 564]
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- So I’m probably going to lose my RUclipsrs licence for this, but I’m afraid my parallel jaw clamps are going to have to go, and in this video I’m just going to explain why that is, and how you can get your hands on them as I’ll be giving these away. Enjoy!
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This one really spoke to me. I've wanted parallel clamps almost as long as I've been doing woodworking. I have a small collection of F clamps in a few sizes and I really like them. I have some 48" sash clamps for bigger stuff and they work well but take up a lot of room in my small shop when i use them.
I think I'll hold off on the parallel clamps and instead build my inventory of F clamps for the time being. Thanks for breaking with the norm to make this video!
Something very relatable for me - guilty, too, of being overly influenced by YT vids and bought a stack of the Rutland equivalents when they were on offer. I, too, have barely ever used them, but have moved them more times than I've had hot dinners. I just think that 'one day' I will need them for something. Been saying that for 7 years though...
Lol
Standard industry practice is to fall over them for twenty years having never used them in anger. You give them away in frustration and then need to use them within 5 working days.
@@davelowe1977 lol
I love parallel clamps and will continue to acquire because I do projects that make good use of them, but my favorite clamps are Dewalt trigger clamps. Fast, light, a fair amount of clamping pressure, good length section, decent clamping area similar to parallel clamps and at a fairly decent price.
I have a couple of these from Bessey in the longer length. I mainly work with natural timber and use dowel joints, and they have come in handy for ‘persuasion’, as someone else put it on here, during glue ups. I can’t imagine needing any more than a couple though.
I think it depends on what you do. The Duo, Revo and Frontline clamps are my go to clamps. They’re all I use/own now. I just don’t use MDF or plywood very often as I build fine furniture out of hardwood. IMHO the f clamps and sash are garbage by comparison. But everyone is different.
I am just starting out these look fantastic for what i need
I'm building some cabinets soon so it's a really timely video for me, thanks Peter!
Im with you on this. A number of years ago I broke down and bough a pair of Bessy clamps. Expense asite I hated everything about them and trying to get the jaw to move was extremely frustrating. In the end, I threw them out and use mainly good old fashioned pipe clamps.
I have quite a few Bessy K body clamps from 1,000mm down to 300mm and found the features you described very useful when making frames, panels and for small veneer work. Disappointment came gluing up a door for my workshop when I discovered they couldn't pull the mortice and tenon joints together and had to use my good old Record sash clamps. The Axminster handle looks much better.
Having seen the light some years ago and converted from woodworking to model engineering, the clamps sit gathering dust while my collection of Lie Nielsen planes languishes in a cupboard.
I think this is why I've been trying to design my kitchen so the cabinets can mostly be screwed and glued where possible.
I'm still deciding if I want the long run to be one long cabinet with three doors, or three cabinets with the double wall between each. In either case, the screws can be mostly hidden, so I'll need very few clamps.
Totally agree, I bought the Bessey version and rarely use them due to the weight and clunkyness of them. I much prefer the lighter Bessey uniKlamps which are basically smaller parallel clamps.
I often prefer bar clamps like the Dubuque or Juuma ones. They are way lighter, which makes a huge difference when dealing with large clamps during a stressful glue up.
They have always looked like fantastic clamps if your work requires them, great for persuading natural timber. Like you very fairly say for a lot of jobs they are probably overkill where a theres a better suited and smaller tool for the job. I could have done with some for joining planks together on a small table top I've just made. I made do with some cheap squeeze clamps as spreaders between a couple of 2x4" clamped to the bench, not ideal but it worked. But like you most of the time I would be tripping over them.
Those Besseys look way nicer than all the ratchet-grip-style clamps I've seen and own. The ones I have put their release mechanism above the grip like a trigger. The open wedges they expose really love to pinch finger skin _hard_ - sometimes in the process of self-triggering against the bench or work piece and thus also defeating the clamp's very function.
UNfortunately I find I do need a clamp like that from time to time, but I have some Sash clamps, one set has "feet" at both ends, the other only one end. In the latter set, because they don't have feet they are not Parallel when set on a flat surface, so very scary to use when the workpiece needs to be flat.
So I'd love to have yours rather than mine, which are fiddly and can't be counted on to create a parallel surface!
I have a few Bessy parallel clamps, and use them primarily for panel glue ups (not that often). My go to clamps are small F Clamps or the Scandinavian clinker boat type clamps that I and a mate made a while back. They were made from off cuts snd the only cost was the bolt and nut for the screw. 😊
Cheers 6:25
I have eight expensive Bessey Parallel clamps and I hate them. Very finicky, heavy, and clunky. Good tip. I think I'll sell them.
could not agree more, and I already sold mine. wretched.
I use my Jet 12in parallel clamps all the time. I rarely use the 24in version.
Good timing. I’ve been considering them based on the description. (As usual, “need them” is a bit questionable.). They look so solid. And, of course, they are impressive when they hang in graduated ranks on the shop wall. But …
I had 18 steel sash clamps, I sold them for the reason the made every door 3 times the weight and they were hard to move about and as you say the clamping force needed for doors & cabinets is minimal.
Hi Peter, thanks for your channel, really enjoying it, wondered if you’ve seen the new Rutland table saw for £295 seems too good to be true any chance of a review? Thanks again best wishes Steve
Thanks Steve! I know someone who has bought one and speaks highly of it - brushed motor, not on the loud side, but rack & pinion fence is nice and great value. I don’t have space for another table saw though unfortunately! 😂👍
I’ve used those clamps they are stupidly heavy, my preference is the smaller version Bessey Uniklamp, Axminster do an exact copy as well, very light good selection of sizes, and much cheaper, thanks for the channel.
I use 800mm and 1000mm parallels to glue scaffold table tops and furniture together. I like the clamping force and clamping area but admit they are heavy! Might get some tube clamps as a lighter alternative.
I've always believed that too many clamps is an impossible state to achieve....but you might be right. I'm currently building a huge A frame rolling rack for my clamps (because I'm tired of tripping over the piles of them dotted around the shop floor). I've got record bar clamps, bessey k bodies and heavy duty f clamps, Urko clamps that could crush a Challenger tank, and dozens of others. It suddenly dawned on me that clamping the frame together was the first time that I had used the long clamps for ages. Most of my clamping is done with a few 6 and 12 inch Irwin quick grip minis and spring clamps. I'm not getting shot of them though....that guarantees that the next project will require 20 four foot long sash cramps!
Yep, very familiar scenario. 👍👍
I have clamps made by both Axminster and Bessie, and lots of cheap F clamps which perform better than the expensive ones, so like you I would rather have lots of cheaper ones than a few expensive ones, great video, thanks Peter, stay lucky and keep 'em coming
Thanks! 👍
I fall into the group of people who want parallel clamps but would seldom use them, just like Peter. Lol, maybe now I'll not feel so bad for not wanting to spend the big bucks. I do love the aluminum sash clamps. They are inexpensive to me locally. I use them often and like that they are light weight. I use them much more often than the heavy duty pipe clamps of the same length that I have. So I understand what Peter is saying about weight vs convenience. Next I need to buy some one-handed squeeze clamps.
Hi Peter, Storing clamps can be a problem and if you don't use them the best thing is to let them go, I have problems stacking my 48" sash clamps and the last time I used them must have been 7 years ago ,but knowing my luck If I did get rid of them I know about a week later I would want to use them. As always a good and honest video Take care
I made a frame for holding all my 48 inch clamps to the rafters in my workshop. Fortunately, the rafters are just low enough for me to get to them without needing steps. All but the smaller of my other clamps are just clamped on a length of 2 x 2 fixed to one wall.
I seen clamps with the 90degree handles on a US makers video and have been trying to find ones here in the UK. I'm disabled and have very crap grip strength so those handles would be much easier for me to use. Sadly I'm in Scotland so the giveaway is no good to me but good luck those who enter!
Looks like I'm away to save up for years to get myself a set of the clamps!
If I needed longer clamps I just drilled a hole in the end and bolt two together….
Thank you .Great advice!
I've almost pulled the trigger to buy parallel clamps on various occasions. However, I'm glad I did not because they would've been a waste of $. IMHO the inches of throat they have would be good for thicker pieces or to stack several pieces & glue them together. Give me several bar clamps & I'll pocket the $ difference.
The cheap aluminium clamps work very well as do the trigger clamps. With age my grip is not as good anymore so the parallel clamps still have a use but yes they are heavy and take up room. 👍🏻
I like the cheap aluminium ones from Machine mart. Clarks, think.
I do find them useful for big panel glue ups but yeah F clamps are the best of both worlds between these and quick clamps.
F-Clamps frustrate me as well. I find that Irwin Quick Grip clamps offer excellent usability with a wide variety of available sizes and clamp force.
Yeah, it's weird, but in the end we tend to use the tools that are easier, more comfortable... Or something, I don't really understand, Peter. But it happens to me as well!
Go figure.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks! You too! 👍
I feel this is an example of different woodworkers having different needs, desires, and preferences. Some may feel parallel clamps are the absolute pinnacle of clamping tech while others simply find them too clunky and heavy when compared to alternatives. That is perfectly fine and nobody should ever be forced into using something they don't prefer.
Many RUclips woodworkers would have us believe we must use Festool track saws and SawStop table saws with a full rack of Bessey parallel clamps nearby, and above all else we MUST have a collection of various Woodpeckers squares and rules prominently displayed in the background... complete with custom wall mounts to keep them perfectly organized.
In the real world - people aren't carbon copies. The type of work, the available space, the budget, and even things as simple as a brand, color, or ergonomic preference are all factors. If it works for you and you like it - then the opinions of others are of less importance.
I'm glad Peter says what he thinks without concerns about fitting in. Then again, for a guy operating out of a space smaller than many RUclipsr finishing rooms while consistently putting out amazing content (and projects).... I think Peter's concept of "fitting in" is entirely different than the norm!
Thank you! I don’t think I fit in anywhere, lol! 😂👍
I think that's because an awful lot of RUclipsrs get those clamps and tools for free. If I had tool makers tripping over themselves to gift me tools I'd have a RUclipsrs workshop too!
I bought some half decent parallel clamps a couple months ago and love them, came to see why we didn’t agree…. I guess it’s coz mostly all I make is cutting boards and table tops 😁
They’re the perfect clamp for that kind of work. 👍👍
Great
Jeez Peter, you're an awesome salesman; even when you point out the shortcomings of a product, I end up wanting to buy it;-) Anyway, I have a few of Bessey's parallel clamps, but think pipe clamps are a better deal capable of doing the same jobs. The clamps I use most, by far, are Axminster's quick guide rail clamps... they work great in the t-slots I routed into my workbench, and I use them constantly.
Thanks! Yes, pipe clamps look good but much harder than it should be to get the pipes to fit the heads here. I’ve had the Axminster quick clamps recommended to me before, must get a pair to try out, thanks for the reminder! 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshopI find the Axminster quick guide clamps works better than any of the (many) alternatives I tried both when I use the holes in my mft top to clamp stuff, and when I use the t-slots (which I like better than the holes). Unlike e.g. Festool ratchet clamps, for example, they are really easy to operate with one hand.
I don't know If you still do client work but if you do I would love to see it.
I retired from client work a few years ago, though I do have a few home projects to come this year. 👍
There's a video by Paul Sellers on how to improve the cheap aluminium sash clamps. 👍
Clearly the choice of clamp depends on the job and also, for those of advancing years, literally what one can handle. That's why I have found the Bessey Duoklamp brilliant as a light weight, single-handed operation clamp that readily stands up when needed. Working exclusively with a fibrous material such as MDF parallel jaw clamps are obviously overkill. But driving home 14mm domino joints in studing frameworks you'll need an entirely different beast.
That said, nice that Peter is generously passing these items on to someone who needs, or thinks he/she needs them.
Parallel clamps like sash clamps are heavy but in terms of storage space, not much of an issue in an efficiently designed rack.
I am glad I bought the parallel clamps that I did. I do build some furniture from solid timber with traditional joinery, I think this is where these kinds of clamps shine.
For ply or MDF cabinets, I agree, definitely overkill.
I use clamps that have both heads moving on the bar. I find these far more useful than the fixed end ones.
Never come across those - I’ll check them out, thanks! 👍
I have managed without expensive parallel clamps these last fifty years. No prizes for guessing I'm not going to invest in them at this stage. Presumably they were conceived as an answer to the bowing and outward squeeze effect that cause sash clamps to bow a board. If you use triangular or T shaped cauls the problem does not exist. As I have said before the timber doesn't know what you spend on clamps.
The cheap aluminium sash clamps are great. They provide sufficient force and are cheap and light.
I think the best insight in this video is that no one can tell what clamps were used to make a project. Same goes for most tools really. What's important is the result!
Very nice clamps, but I won't be putting in an offer. 🙂
Pipe clamps for the win on big stuff. F clamps or quick clamps for most everything else
Horses for courses. If you need to exert 1200 newtons, it probably means that you haven’t done the joinery correctly. Having said that, I’ve got lots of 6’ and a few 8’ parallel clamps. I also have bar clamps and you can join a few together to get very long lengths. When you need that length, you need that length and, as I have the space, I don’t intend to get rid of them.
The key message is don’t buy because you’ve seen it. I was very guilty of that and the only thing I made was…the sellers richer. Try and resist temptation and only buy when the job are doing needs something. There is the rule about 80/20 - and it applies to my tools. I use 20% of my tools 80% of the time. The other 80%, I only use 20% of the time.
Only buy when you know you have a need. Also do you really need them when its a one off, maybe do two glue ups with the clamps you have rather than one, but not need the clamps (etc) again.
Dang, i was looking forward to blowing a grand on 4 or 5 of these soon, too.
You still could, just be sure they're the right clamps for the kind of work you do. 👍
Sell you mines
and the thumbnail of the year award goes to... P Millard... you win the internet!
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I use mine all the time, I couldn’t do my job with out them.
Courses for horses, I guess.
I'd never even heard of them. For big laminated tops pipe or bar clamps are the way to go, a dozen of those to squeeze fhe excess epoxy out while it cures is all you need.
I was thinking about buying a few parallel clamps until I picked them up at the local store. Just too heavy and clunky.
Yep. At least you could handle them first! 😂👍
Dubuque Universal Bar clamps here in the states have spoiled me. I rarely reach for my Jorgenesen Parallel clamps after buying the Dubuque clamps.
Yep, heard a lot of good things about them, but never seen them in the flesh. 👍
They clearly have a good use, making excellent RUclips thumbnails.
😂👍
I don't know much about clamps but I do know, you never ever have enough.
Lidl do some good ones for the price.
i have quite a few lidl clamps - not a great deal of pressure and they do slip off , so just treated myself to some more irwin clamps while on offer at screwfix and also 10% on the feb deal.... took all they had in stock locally. Also have some wickes clamps again when on offer and better than the Lidll - but not as good as the couple of irwin i had , hence the decision to but more of the irwin.
LIDL also sells some truly awful clamps. The quick clamps are terrible. Some of the F clamps are good (the 35 and 40cm ones), some are bad (the smallest ones). Where I am the 35cm ones are the best deal, 8€ for a pair and they are more than decent (comparable to or better than clamps from the likes of Wolfcraft that cost 10 or 15€ each).
I think they'd be quite useful and lighter if you were to just cut them down in length.
No for me, I would rather have more lighter clamps for everyday use. I wish that I had taken more than just two F clamps with me while I was working away from home over the last few weeks. There were times when I was chomping at the bit waiting glue to dry because I wanted the clamps to hold something to keep my fingers away from the router.
In days of old....... my youth, before sliding clamps were invented, if you didn't own a pair of sash clamps then simply made folding wedge clamps were knocked up out of scrap timber I still make them now, never found anything I couldn't clamp with them.
I wouldn't sell my K-body clamps for anything; they make large solid wood glue ups so much easier with even 90 degree pressure for excellent looking joints. I would say the parallel clamps are a mismatch for the work you do, just like your favorite clamps wouldn't work for my needs. Each woodworker's need is different at the end of the day.
Dang. This was a great opportunity to leave a dry sarcastic comment - but those just don't over well - on the internet. :^) Wish I was local to rib you over this. LOL
I, too, struggle with clamps. For a while I had plenty of the Irwin plastic handle type and when they started to break, I bought some F clamps. Too hard to use with one hand. Bl**dy clamps!
Can I just clarify…. You say it’s a “free sign up” for plus but when I go to sign up on the website all the plans cost money to sign up?
Then don’t sign up to a plan, just become a member. It’s free, with limited access. 👍
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😁Clamps would be in a picture frame, signed and well by Mr.Millard, not for use 😆
YES! Then they are no more clamps, but art, like the pencils of van Gogh etc.! 🤣😂🤣
Thank you Peter for your candid comments about these very capable, but ungainly, clamps. It reminds me of the 8, 7’ iron pipe clamps that I bought 40+ years ago for a very large conference table assembly. They have since collected more dust than any other item in my relatively small workshop. Apparently like you I find myself reaching for smaller, perhaps less capable, clamps far more often. You rightly point out that while you might never have enough clamps, having the “right” ones is most important. Good thing I don’t live near London. I’d be tempted to enter your drawing and further complicate my large clamp storage problem. In case you (or your viewers) are wondering, I solved the pipe clamp storage challenge by building a simple rack hung on the back of my double door shop entry. Sincerely, Supremely Satisfied Subscriber.
Thank you! 👍
I love the dubuque aluminium clamps, they're wonderfully light, very accurate and have plenty clamping pressure for anything I've thrown at them... Not a fan of parallel calmps either
I am with you I love those and they are made in the US not out sourced to China like all the rest.I hate those parallel clamps
I’ve heard good things and they look great, but not available here unfortunately. 🤷♂️👍
Lee Valley sell them and ship internationally - but you will get hit with 20% UK GST when they land. I have a bunch of them here in Australia, I asked how many to get for the best post & packaging and their customer service worked that out for me (I think it was multiples of 6 for shipping to Australia)
I love the parallel clamps. I usually use the lighter version of these, also sold by Axminster. I have two of these heavy duty ones and they come in handy every now and then.
Hahaha I keep looking at parallel clamps and every time I’m at a store and pick one up to look at I wonder what the big deal is? They just seem overly heavy and bulky to me! And, for like 1/4 the price I can get pipe clamps which if you get 1/2” pipe (17mm?) and clamps instead of the 3/4 (19mm?) they are lighter than the parallel clamps, actually stronger with near zero flex, take up less storage space, and can apply even more pressure, not that you need to. Just seems like a waste of money to buy parallel clamps!
Thanks! Unfortunately pipe clamps aren’t really a thing here - we can get the heads, but can’t easily get the inperial pipes they need! 🤷♂️👍
take them directly to the recycling tip...they can then be melted down and made into something useful,like an f clamp.
Yep, 100%. 👍
Most gripping thumbnail image ever (forgive me, I just can't help myself).
I've found pipe clamps to be a versatile and economical alternative to parallel clamps for door glue ups and the like. I carry a variety of clamps in my work truck, but tend to use trigger clamps and spring clamps the most, probably followed by my plunge saw track clamps.
😂 Would love to try pipe clamps, but the clamp heads seem to be only made for imperial sized pipes, and they’re hard to come by outside the U.S. 🤷♂️👍
You are exactly right. I find parallel clamps to be too big and bulky as well, which makes them impractical. I believe too many woodworkers buy them because they seem them on YT videos and assume they have to have them to be a serious woodworker. There are many cheaper and better clamping solutions than parallel clamps for woodworking. I like all of the choices you suggest here, but want to point out that here in the States there are also aluminum bar clamps sold by some companies. There are really nice for panel glue-ups and are really lightweight but strong.
Heresy - Burn the Witch ! How can you say such a thing Peter, shame on you ! 😉
Seriously though, good on you for speaking from your own experience and also getting rid of something you don't need or use ( something I'm not good at ), I'm sure there will be many members who will be more than happy to take them off your hands !
Cheers Andy! 👍
The main problem is that woodworkers just aren't as strong as they used to be. Whatever happened to the real men who used the big T bar steel clamps back in the day?
It's surprising how many 'RUclipsrs' are claiming the parallel clamps to be not worth the extra expense
Is it? I’m just explaining why they don’t work well for me. 🤷♂️👍
They are an incredible expense compared to the usual 'F' clamps or Sash Cramps. I was tempted to save up and get some but not any more. (I keep buying Parkside clamps instead)
I think we're all a bit guilty of buying tools we don't necessarily need, especially given the youtube influence.
Yep, parallel bar clamps are too heavy for me to want to use for anything but the smallest box or drawer glue-ups. What you call aluminum sash clamps are my mainstay for the majority of my glue-ups which are usually large panels. I keep a large stock of 2’, 3’, 4’, and 6’ clamps (4 to 8 each) with the expectation of rounding out the numbers to a total of 8 each in each size. There have been several times I’ve had to curtail my glue up sessions due to running out of clamps (and space ;-) ). Unfortunately Jorgensen stopped manufacture of the style I liked, but a new company Dubuque has taken over here in the states. Otherwise, the f-style is my next most useful clamp, at least Jorgensen still produces them.
I’ve heard a lot about the Dubuqu clamps, never seen them in the flesh though. 👍
Do I really need these theory, you could take out 10% or more of the tools you gather over the years. Freeing up space for more clamps 😂
I've have the bessy ones and iam not impressed
Parallel clamps are no better, in my humble opinion, than pipe clamps. I've used a few brands and I totally regret buying them at all.
Unfortunately pipe clamps tend to need readily-available imperial-sized pipes to make them useful, and that's not something we can all get our hands on. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshopjust a thought... have you tried gas fitters and / or plumbers for imperial sized pipe ? the gas guys here (Canada) still use a fair amount of "black pipe" for main supply lines & manifolds. I'd guess that for a retrofit they'd need to be able to connect new metric sizes to old imperial lines at some point ?
Nooo clamps gone, you use a domino like it is a great tool. Next you will be saying that the ability to drive a lag bolt into a block of wood 2 seconds quicker than the next bloke is not important. Personally I have never driven a lag bolt with an impact BTW…… 😂.
What sort of ‘influencer’ are you!!!!
Anyway. I like the clamps. I have six. Four long two shorter. I think of them as my just incase clamps. Used them for various projects, infrequently. I can wind my Rutlands version up by hand so they crush the wood. So definitely enough pressure given. They live in a high corner when nothing else will do… they get dusted off literally 😁
Well I’m a bad influencer, obviously! 😂 I don’t disagree, but as part of the general cleansing I’m moving on the things that haven’t been touched for a while. 🤷♂️👍
"I'm giving these away - but only to people to give me money". Honestly, that falls into either people who are woodworkers who probably already have stuff like this if they are prepared to pay money each month to a YT channel, or people who like watching woodworking but don't actually do it and don't need them.
I would personally have sold them for a little money or a "raffle" as has happened a few times for items on UKWorkshop forum, the place where we give out advice **for free** that you've been a member of for years and have helped you with advice **for free**, but maybe that wasn't worth as much to you as the paying patreons on your channel. (just not to Jacob, he's a troll)
Let's hope the winner isn't overseas or you're going to get screwed on the postage.
Watch it again and pay attention. The Plus member platform is a free signup. All members are eligible, but these clamps are collection only due to weight. Yes, I’m giving away products that I’ve bought to drive (free) memberships - not an actual crime, and maybe the American owners of the UKWorkshop forums could learn a thing or two instead of rattling a tin via messages every other week. Yes, I’ve been a member there for years - long before you showed up - but I’ve also given plenty of advice over the years, far more than I’ve received. I’m not so active there since I’ve had my own forum to look after for these last couple of years, but so it goes. 🤷♂️ You have a nice day. 👍
I'll be honest I've used my big clamps as spreaders a fair amount for helping with general diy, rather than woodworking specifically!