Love the Xm2we, looking forward to trying the Pulsar X2-H (higher back hump, more hourglass focus shape)and the Pulsar Xlite V3. Kinda want to give the Lamzu and Mini a try when I win the lottery and have the money for it lol. Awesome video
The Atlantis in European markets is at least 30 dollars more expensive, and considering the optical switches and the quality of the XM2WE, no It's not a better value. I agree on everything else. Keep up the good work!
Something that also could be interesting, is the Type of switches. I bought the Pulsar X2 Bruce Lee Edition because the older one Had mechanical switches instead of optimal which is faster
Interesting. I think I'm more of a palm gripper, but regardless, trying out a mice to see whether it's comfortable to use is very important, from what I learnt in this video. However, some of these mice are not commonly sold in the mass market, especially in some regions. Razer and logitech are generally more commonly found in shops, compared to something like pulsar or lamzu or ninjutsu. You can easily find them online, but every time I buy a mouse, I don't get to try them out and end up needing to fit my style to the shape of the mice. I hope more of these mice can be more commonly found in tech shops in the future
Measure your hand like him and I can help you find your perfect mouse if you are willing to share your hand size and requirements (I have tried all gaming mouse in the world and own all the good ones also a coach so you can trust me)
The VGN Dragonfly F1 moba is in my opinion even better than the demoshark mouse because of lower weight, better latency and switches while still remaining very similar in price
form my experience, m3 gives better respond latency than the moba but just a little bit but i love the form, the coating, the weight of the moba better and the build is better too
Great video. Finally someone testing mice with a "focus" on claw grip and a bigger back shape. Sadly most mice are way too loud for me. Will have to look around a bit.
This might be the first time I've heard anyone say that the Viper doesn't feel great since all I've heard about it is that a ton of people seem to love the shape and even the Viper Mini has been held in high esteem since it came out to the point that it developed its own cult following. Then again, I haven't owned it so I wouldn't really know, just surprising. Btw, I highly recommend the Cooler Master MM712 anyone who wants a smaller mouse. It's similar in width to the Sora but a bit shorter in length and has a slightly higher hump. It's also very well-priced, at least in where I live (got it around $58 when converted to USD,) plus optical switches for virtually no double-clicking problems.
I have the Viper Ultimate (so v1) and at first didn’t like it much. Was using the Logitech Superlight and mostly Glorious Model O wireless because of comfort. Then I sold the Superlight, still have the Model O (mostly cuz I love it), but odly enough comfort wise I’ve grown to love the Viper. It causes the least wrist pain to me + giving me the most accuracy in shooters.
The reason why he doesn’t like the viper shape is because he prefer mouse to have a higher lower back so he wouldn’t like mouse like ulx, htx and fk2, I’m personally the same but the viper mini/ cobra is my favourite wired mouse as its not a smaller viper but a shape of its own with a higher hump at the back
Surprised to see that DAv3 didn't make an appearance. It's my main and i have been quite satisfied with the shape and performance. Have been using heavy ergos since there's not a lot of light ergos but DAv3 actually nailed everything except for the tolerances of the switches/scroll. It feels too light compared to the highly tactile Viper V2 Pro. I thought they used the same hardware but i guess they also changed the tolerances, i have both and i prefer the DA Shape, and i prefer the Viper V2 Pro hardware
You should try out some GWolves mice like the HTS+ 4k or the HTX , top specs , top implementation , under 50 grams and pretty much flawless build quality
I would like to buy MSI optix g273qf but it is never available on Amazon. do you know if it will be available again or not? Can you recommend me an alternative?
Man, I just sold my Ninjutsu because, unfortunately, the shape wasn't good for me =/ The Lamzu OG, which is my current main, has a better shape since the Ninjutsu is slightly smaller when compared to the Lamzu OG. I feel bad because the quality of the mouse and also its appearance is so good, but anyway...
Ambidextrous mice are so uncomfortable to hold for me for long periods of time. Death adder shape is where its at. I would love for darmoshark to make an upgraded version of their N3 mouse.
man you hit everything ive been saying about the mouse/peripheral market over the past few years. from glorious model o- which broke after a week (i bought on release so they might have fixed qc but knowing glorious, i doubt it), the first viper ultimate (which, like you said, feels like shit in hand), g wolves hati s (actually a pretty great mouse), g pro x which was way to big for my hand, finalmouse starlight 12 which was great till it would only register half my clicks and the magnesium is really slippery, lamzu atlantis mini which would of been good if the scroll wheel didn't stick and lamzu didn't tell me 'you don't know what you're talking about' when i mentioned it to them in twitter dms, zowie s2 which shape wise was great but holy shit is it heavy, etc. i mean i could go on and on. the only products i have genuinely enjoyed and felt worth the hype have all been from pulsar, my x2 mini is fantastic my only little nitpick is it double clicks a lot but i could put a dbounce delay in i just don't want to and i would like a 4k hz model but i think they are working on that. and all the products ive bought from g wolves have been very enjoyable to play with even if i don't main them.
Great video! Question to fellow gamers here. Can you recommend wireless mice for palm grip and non-competitve gaming? I'm looking to try out: Logitech G502; G903: G; Pro X/ Superlight Razer Viper Ultimate Are they good for the purpose? Any other recommendations?
I was having such a hard time deciding if I shouldve just bought the superlight or settle for a more claw-grip oriented mouse, so this video is like a godsend for me
It isn’t subjective it depends on your hand size and grip style (viper is for large hand and relax fingertip grip but he have a medium size hand and claw grip his mouse)
I feel like a crazy person seeing so many people get mice that all look extremely similar and are as light as possible, meanwhile my current favorite wireless mouse is the Logitech G502X
Weight makes a difference but I think way too many people think they're good enough for it to REALLY matter. That and the weight thing is really only for competitive shooters. If you're playing other games then a lot of other mice really outshine these ones. The G502X is the jack-of-all-trades and is my personal choice as well. I'd probably use the Roccat Kone XP over it if the Kone didn't have squishy side buttons. The Glorious Model I would probably be a contender too if it tilt clicks on the scroll wheel. I envy people who can live with just the 2 side buttons because I absolutely hate having to do everything with my keyboard hand 😂
I love G502 but I suffered from Carpal tunnel syndrome. Using ligher mouse help with the pain. Currently, I am using GPX mod to 50g. If I could get G502X for super cheap, I would not hesitate to daily drive it.
I love my Xm2we, but one thing I don't like about it is that the primary switches. They're quite heavy and tactile, very springy feel. I prefer the lighter mechenical switches.
I though a way too light mouse is not good because its kinda harder to control? my mouse is 105g and i feel i could go for a 10g heavier... am i crazy?
So the sora is best because of the shape mostly, and its weight, with its only drawback being the non-grippy coating. How does it's latency of 13.4 ms compare to wired? why does it not come with 0ms standard debounce instead of 12ms?
i tried the superlight and the viper v2 pro and both are too small for my hands. i dislike the face that the buttons on the superlight are not at the edge.
NP-01S and I love the shape. The competitive mode is the only sensor that I felt a different on game. Is so snapping. I have Razer V2 4k dongle as well and I bought it because of the specs but that mouse give me cramp on my hands lol.
I've used the model o as my main mouse for quite a while. Had to return it due to massive connectivity issues though. Apart from that it wasn't a bad mouse a few years ago when I got it, but it can't really compete with the newer mice anymore... Wouldn't recommend buying it in today's market.
Everyone always underrating the G303se. For claw grip users imo it is nearly perfect but it always left off the lists. I assume cuz it's just plain bad for other grip styles?
Hi, thanks for this video, i have a question that you maybe can answer. My main is a g703 20x9.5 hands. when I play, I do a mix of palm/fingertip grip, do you think I can use xm2we comfortably? Btw I tried gpx and viper ultimate and I don't like the shape, thanks.
For me the best gaming mouse still is the razer viper ultimate. Only reason for that is because its a wireless lightweight gaming mouse useable for left handed people. Most of these "ultralight 60-40 gram" mice ditch the ambidextrous design so they spare the internals for side buttons on the right side and lessen the weight doing so. And since left handed gamers are a minority we dont have many options if we dont play with our non dominant hand. Especially in the wireless market.
@@S7tronic yes, that was in my consideration list as well - i just dont like ghub very much. Imo its even more annoying than razer synapse. And since I already had a headset from them and a keyboard as well( i really wanted to try these optical switches) I went with their viper ultimate, which has an ambidextrous design as well.
@@soma323 yeah, probably - problem again is that the v2 ditched the ambidextrous design to lose some weight - same as with the gpro superlight - so i probably won't experience another mouse for quite a while haha. Maybe one day a newer, better ambidextrous, or even pure (HIGHLY DOUBT THAT) lefty mouse comes out and I switch. But for now, I will stay with my viper ultimate.
I have tried atlantis, x2 , xm2we and viper v2 pro, I feel most comfortable on the viper v2 pro and the others they feel good at first after 2 hours of gaming my grip fingers hurts a lot. For me viper is the best shape.
@@shiion6711 I've given up on wireless and bought myself a cobra. They eithrer have a proprietary battery (I prefer rechargable AAA/AA batteries for quick swaps), too heavy or too small
Well that was a great video... Only one thing triggering me like hell is those overwatch bronze player not trying to remove you from high ground. Seen Revenge Of The Sith, haven't they ?
Thanks! Haha yeah high ground is super OP in low elo. Most clips in this video were in high gold/low plat, but people still underestimate high ground...
Best mouse shape analysis, really useful. I have mice from three different price categories and different shapes: Razer Viper V2 Pro, Fantech Aria and Ajazz AJ199 and as an average user I did not notice any significant difference in performance. As for the shape: I would like the Razer to have a slightly higher hump pulled back; for Fantech that it is a little narrower on the grip; for Ajazz that it is a little wider on the grip. But after a few days of getting used to it, everyone was doing the job. Claw grip user, hand 18x10cm.
I get that lightweight is the craze and for good reason but i have gotten my hands on the shroud g303 and for me it is perfect ive never had my aim feel this easy that being said i have always had a really aggressive claw grip so it works
The EC3w is technically better than the non 4k darmoshark M3 though, it has a better MCU which has better wireless performance. Not saying it's worth the money though
would be nice to know the battery life on these I'm currently using a g305. its simple, but efficient. and the thing I like most is how it lasts months before having to swap the battery. Been using it for a few years so now I was looking to see if there were any new better options. A bigger mouse would be nice since my hands are quite big. Similar performance is more than enough for me, but also similar battery life would be best. If all of these only last a week (or god forbid a day) before I have to recharge or change batteries then that's kind of a deal breaker for me...
Yeah you're probably not gonna be happy with any of these then 😅 I've mained the g305 before and the battery life is just ridiculous. I don't think any mouse with a built-in battery can compete. Your best bet probably are other AA battery mice.
70 hours of battery life and 95 bucks. I'm good on the Ninjutsu Sora if it can't do better than that. Does allow for charging though. That is what I was looking for with the other mouse, HyperX Pulsefire, that is 90 and charges for 100 hours. Still quite high and low hours but still looking..
@@techlessYT Your point about how the Viper and the G Pro Wireless not touching the inside of your hand at the back when claw gripping it is great BTW, I have a GPW and I noticed that too, this my first time hearing someone talk about it.
Do not get Razer Viper V2 Pro. Worst experience I have ever had when it come to a gaming mouse. I got the Viper V2 Pro in October of 2022 and before that my first mouse was the Logitech Superlight. it was good for about 6 month or so before I had issues with the dongle where the connection kept falling through and eventually it died and never worked again, so I got it RMA’d they sent a new dongle and it’s been working fine connection wise since then. Now my only issue with the Razer mouse is the encoder that they use for the mouse wheel it needs to be constantly cleaned for it to work properly and i never had such issues with the superlight; only issue I had with the superlight is that battery inside wasn’t glued properly so I had to glue it myself.
I alternate between GPX and Darmoshark M3, I gotta say, I fkin love the Darmo, its unreal that its under 50 dollars, the shape feels good too. you will NOT feel the latency diff between the mice at all, kudos to Darmo (FYI I use a Claw grip and my hands aren't too huge, no issues with either)
So sad that i have a really bad exp with the Sora, i got 3 units from 3 diferents batches and all get sensor issues, sad cuz its my second favorite shape for claw :(
possibly because of the curve on its sides. i use claw grip and there is no noticable inclination, but when i switch to fingertip grip, i do find it turning counterclockwise a little bit
If we ignore the price, the Razer Viper mini SE has to be a contender. The build quality is second to none (as long as there are no factory defects) and the tech is top notch. I get that a lot of people can't look past the price, but as someone who is on the computer all day as my career, it's well worth it. I would say that the same goes for pros.
@@mytommy That may be true, but It can be said for any mouse. You can say that about any mouse on this list. Also, the SE is the same shape as the viper mini, which is one of the most popular and widely loved small mice.
@@mytommyviper mini has a different hump and button profile than regular viper. It’s a larger hump moved further back with much lower button height. More similar to a sora than a viper v2 pro.
Had logitech g pro and super light, switches died after a year or so. Jumped to viper ultimate, excellent build and performance, with no issues after time.
@@HillsSeesYou Yeah, pretty reasonable, and it would help! But I just bought a viper ultimate, which suits me better)) And fact that logitech using such a bad components in a premium price devices is driving me crazy... While razer using optical switches.
@@HillsSeesYou i can't justify buying a mouse at $150 with subpar switches that needs to be replaced because of double-clicking and micro-usb charging port in these day and age ... how Logitech haven't released a refreshed GPX is wild, i think they just don't give a shit
@@Agent_Alpha_SLV ye I agree I bought my Orchid V2 for like 30 dollars not the highest end product but the build quality is superb. I mean I was providing a way could save the mouse, switches and soldering iron is pretty cheap
@@HillsSeesYou i used to own a G502 and G403 Wireless (G703 without the Hero sensor) and they performed fine, but the switches bugged me out like crazy, and build quality is not the best. Have been sticking to Razer for the past 2 years, i currently have a Viper Mini, Viper Ultimate, Viper V2 Pro, Basilisk X Hyperspeed and Deathadder V3 Pro. Tried out my friend's GPX and didn't really like it, feels like Logitech really need to upgrade their mice, they introduced the G502X so they clearly can put out a refresh...
The problem i have with most of these mice (except razer/logi) is that they are not readily available except specific countries or they are produced in smaller batches and they are constantly out of stock. So for me i'm basically stuck with the g305 and superlight. The superlight is simply way too big for my hand and the g305 is my ideal grip for fingertip but i wish was a bit lighter. Anyway if i want any of those shown in the video i would have to go out of my way to scour the internet for availability and even then i would probably have to pay at least 20-30 euros in shipping fees which makes the purchase unjustifiable.
If you need something for some reason, you need it. A mouse is a peripheral, so it makes the connection betweem person and machine, hence its quality, technical adequacy and comfort greatly affect the perceived user experience. The choice of what to buy is even more important, if you spend hours in front of the screen on a daily basis, in which case, it really doesn't worth/make sense cheaping out on it. And you are not stuck with anything. You CHOSE to be stuck with sub-par stuff for your preferences. I would buy something actually awesome instead. Pulsar X2 mini, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, Ninjutso Sora, Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless, Xtrfy M42 Wireless, G-Wolves HSK series, G-Wolves Hati S Wireless, G-Wolves HTX, Finalmousr Ultralight X Small, Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition, or even the Razer Orochi V2 with Energizer Ultimate Lithium AAA battery (this battery weights only 7,5 grams), just to name a few options for fingertip users. There, I justified it for you.
I might have one of the wierdest grip, i use a grip where u have one finger on mb1 middle finger on scroll wheel, and ring finger on mb2. So for me the superlight is the best option ive found for me🙃
2:08 More reviewers should do that exact transition when comparing Mice. I appreciate that. Thank you!
Love the Xm2we, looking forward to trying the Pulsar X2-H (higher back hump, more hourglass focus shape)and the Pulsar Xlite V3.
Kinda want to give the Lamzu and Mini a try when I win the lottery and have the money for it lol. Awesome video
Lamzu better if you really love the xm2we
How did I not find this amazingly chill and detailed channel before? And how do you not have 10x the subs? Great video!
The Atlantis in European markets is at least 30 dollars more expensive, and considering the optical switches and the quality of the XM2WE, no It's not a better value. I agree on everything else. Keep up the good work!
If you haven’t buy the mouse then get the sora v2
Something that also could be interesting, is the Type of switches. I bought the Pulsar X2 Bruce Lee Edition because the older one Had mechanical switches instead of optimal which is faster
Interesting. I think I'm more of a palm gripper, but regardless, trying out a mice to see whether it's comfortable to use is very important, from what I learnt in this video. However, some of these mice are not commonly sold in the mass market, especially in some regions. Razer and logitech are generally more commonly found in shops, compared to something like pulsar or lamzu or ninjutsu. You can easily find them online, but every time I buy a mouse, I don't get to try them out and end up needing to fit my style to the shape of the mice. I hope more of these mice can be more commonly found in tech shops in the future
Measure your hand like him and I can help you find your perfect mouse if you are willing to share your hand size and requirements (I have tried all gaming mouse in the world and own all the good ones also a coach so you can trust me)
The VGN Dragonfly F1 moba is in my opinion even better than the demoshark mouse because of lower weight, better latency and switches while still remaining very similar in price
form my experience, m3 gives better respond latency than the moba but just a little bit but i love the form, the coating, the weight of the moba better and the build is better too
Great to see the optimum tech vibes spreading around tech yt channels
Nah his taste for mouse is bad and this guy know you can set debounce time lol
Great video. Finally someone testing mice with a "focus" on claw grip and a bigger back shape. Sadly most mice are way too loud for me. Will have to look around a bit.
This might be the first time I've heard anyone say that the Viper doesn't feel great since all I've heard about it is that a ton of people seem to love the shape and even the Viper Mini has been held in high esteem since it came out to the point that it developed its own cult following. Then again, I haven't owned it so I wouldn't really know, just surprising. Btw, I highly recommend the Cooler Master MM712 anyone who wants a smaller mouse. It's similar in width to the Sora but a bit shorter in length and has a slightly higher hump. It's also very well-priced, at least in where I live (got it around $58 when converted to USD,) plus optical switches for virtually no double-clicking problems.
I have the Viper Ultimate (so v1) and at first didn’t like it much. Was using the Logitech Superlight and mostly Glorious Model O wireless because of comfort. Then I sold the Superlight, still have the Model O (mostly cuz I love it), but odly enough comfort wise I’ve grown to love the Viper. It causes the least wrist pain to me + giving me the most accuracy in shooters.
I've noticed that people that fingertip grip like the Viper but people who claw grip don't like it as much.
@steveshin820 yeah if you hold your mouse normally the viper 2 pro or even v1 feel great
The reason why he doesn’t like the viper shape is because he prefer mouse to have a higher lower back so he wouldn’t like mouse like ulx, htx and fk2, I’m personally the same but the viper mini/ cobra is my favourite wired mouse as its not a smaller viper but a shape of its own with a higher hump at the back
Mm712 is like the x2H mini but wider
Surprised to see that DAv3 didn't make an appearance. It's my main and i have been quite satisfied with the shape and performance. Have been using heavy ergos since there's not a lot of light ergos but DAv3 actually nailed everything except for the tolerances of the switches/scroll. It feels too light compared to the highly tactile Viper V2 Pro. I thought they used the same hardware but i guess they also changed the tolerances, i have both and i prefer the DA Shape, and i prefer the Viper V2 Pro hardware
DAv3 pro is my gear I’m so surprised it didn’t meet the list one of the best mice you can buy
Dav3 scroll wheel is just so light. It's so bad. It gets accidentally actuated at times specially when jump is bind to scroll wheel.
is the viper v2 good for claw?
@@triixzz2747 depends on your hand entirely, for me it's the best for claw grip and the DA is the king of palm grip
@@Agent_Alpha_SLV If I got big hands is it better for claw
You should try out some GWolves mice like the HTS+ 4k or the HTX , top specs , top implementation , under 50 grams and pretty much flawless build quality
I can vouch for the HTS+ 4k
I would like to buy MSI optix g273qf but it is never available on Amazon. do you know if it will be available again or not? Can you recommend me an alternative?
HTX 4K and Viper V2 kinda goated for relaxed finger tip players
I'm a palm and finger tip player and I agree on the v2 pro prob the best for that and specs
Yap depending on hand size you would prefer one over the other
the Gear XM2we is rly good imo, even better than corsairs dark core i've used a lot.
Beating a Corsair mouse in every possible metric is not exactly a great feat tho. : D
Man, I just sold my Ninjutsu because, unfortunately, the shape wasn't good for me =/ The Lamzu OG, which is my current main, has a better shape since the Ninjutsu is slightly smaller when compared to the Lamzu OG. I feel bad because the quality of the mouse and also its appearance is so good, but anyway...
Would you recommend the darmoshark m3 or attackshark x3?
Thank you for showing love to the Sora, been maining it for about 6 months now and it's still a great mouse.
Try the sora v2 it’s even better
Yeah I agree, I also prefer the hump at the back. I have a Glorious Model D and never got used to it
The EC is the best on the list. 3395 has motion sync and if you don't use it.. its basically a 3370
Ambidextrous mice are so uncomfortable to hold for me for long periods of time. Death adder shape is where its at. I would love for darmoshark to make an upgraded version of their N3 mouse.
i find that the viper actually fits my hand very well... i suppose everyone is different though
man you hit everything ive been saying about the mouse/peripheral market over the past few years.
from glorious model o- which broke after a week (i bought on release so they might have fixed qc but knowing glorious, i doubt it), the first viper ultimate (which, like you said, feels like shit in hand), g wolves hati s (actually a pretty great mouse), g pro x which was way to big for my hand, finalmouse starlight 12 which was great till it would only register half my clicks and the magnesium is really slippery, lamzu atlantis mini which would of been good if the scroll wheel didn't stick and lamzu didn't tell me 'you don't know what you're talking about' when i mentioned it to them in twitter dms, zowie s2 which shape wise was great but holy shit is it heavy, etc. i mean i could go on and on.
the only products i have genuinely enjoyed and felt worth the hype have all been from pulsar, my x2 mini is fantastic my only little nitpick is it double clicks a lot but i could put a dbounce delay in i just don't want to and i would like a 4k hz model but i think they are working on that. and all the products ive bought from g wolves have been very enjoyable to play with even if i don't main them.
Great video! Question to fellow gamers here. Can you recommend wireless mice for palm grip and non-competitve gaming? I'm looking to try out:
Logitech G502; G903: G; Pro X/ Superlight
Razer Viper Ultimate
Are they good for the purpose? Any other recommendations?
deathadder v3 as it takes a giant hand to not able to palm grip the mouse
Should I buy fantech aria xd7 or Darmoshark m3? (Idc about price, i wanna know which is better quality)
If you don’t care about price there are plenty of better mouse out there and if you have the same hand size as him I would only recommend the sora v2
I have rather large hands and I currently use a glorious model d and it feels comfortable. Would the darmoshark be uncomfortable for large hands?
Deathadder v3
I was having such a hard time deciding if I shouldve just bought the superlight or settle for a more claw-grip oriented mouse, so this video is like a godsend for me
Get the sora v2 if you have similar hand size as him and never buy the gpx
are mouse grips good ??
Thing is technical aspects are objective when shape is subjective. I find Viper V2 Pro to be the best mouse out there.
If you are a palm or fingertip yeah it's the best but not anyone likes that shape
It isn’t subjective it depends on your hand size and grip style (viper is for large hand and relax fingertip grip but he have a medium size hand and claw grip his mouse)
The Darmoshark M3 really seems like it's made for large hands or a small handed palm grip.
where are the monitors....😨
still waiting for the g24f 2 review 😢
I'm still using my Microsoft Intellimouse 1.1a like 15 years and it's GOAT
Regarding the grip of the Razer Viper V2 Pro: The scope of delivery includes a rubber tape, which makes it very slip-resistant in the hand.
I feel like a crazy person seeing so many people get mice that all look extremely similar and are as light as possible, meanwhile my current favorite wireless mouse is the Logitech G502X
Weight makes a difference but I think way too many people think they're good enough for it to REALLY matter. That and the weight thing is really only for competitive shooters. If you're playing other games then a lot of other mice really outshine these ones.
The G502X is the jack-of-all-trades and is my personal choice as well. I'd probably use the Roccat Kone XP over it if the Kone didn't have squishy side buttons. The Glorious Model I would probably be a contender too if it tilt clicks on the scroll wheel. I envy people who can live with just the 2 side buttons because I absolutely hate having to do everything with my keyboard hand 😂
I love G502 but I suffered from Carpal tunnel syndrome. Using ligher mouse help with the pain. Currently, I am using GPX mod to 50g. If I could get G502X for super cheap, I would not hesitate to daily drive it.
I love my Xm2we, but one thing I don't like about it is that the primary switches. They're quite heavy and tactile, very springy feel. I prefer the lighter mechenical switches.
Oh they do sell the lighter switch that you can swap yourself
Nice and informative video as always 👍👍. Btw how did you get 0ms debounce on the darmoshark ??
Download the software
great video! Curious though when testing the latency of the EC3-CW, did you use the dock?
Thanks! Latency test was with the standard dongle.
what do you think of the Finalmouse TenZ S?
I though a way too light mouse is not good because its kinda harder to control? my mouse is 105g and i feel i could go for a 10g heavier... am i crazy?
Endgame shape was so close.
Having slightly longer hand 20cm, just a bit more hump would be best.
As always, most people should get Superlight. You won't regret it.
So the sora is best because of the shape mostly, and its weight, with its only drawback being the non-grippy coating.
How does it's latency of 13.4 ms compare to wired? why does it not come with 0ms standard debounce instead of 12ms?
Maybe if you graduated to fingertip grip you'd understand why the Viper V2 Pro is such a great mouse shape.
haven't watched the video yet but what do you think about zaopin z1?
Thank you this video, bought EG XM2we and it is really amazing mice, comfortable and good quality.
how's the mousewheel compared to logitechs?
i tried the superlight and the viper v2 pro and both are too small for my hands. i dislike the face that the buttons on the superlight are not at the edge.
How did the Deathadder v3 Pro not make this list? Probably one of the best ergo or relaxed claw mouse
Ik I tried it and it's really good but I don't use claw grip I'm more palm side and finger so viper v2 pro is my best mouse rn
They are setting this high ms debounce on clicks, because you can (in some cases) trigger the click, if you put mouse on the pad too hard.
The therm is slam clicking but they did it because of double click
You should review the Vancer Castor, it's kinda underrated and its pretty good as well in my use
I haven't seen any videos om the model o wireless is it that bad?
NP-01S and I love the shape. The competitive mode is the only sensor that I felt a different on game. Is so snapping. I have Razer V2 4k dongle as well and I bought it because of the specs but that mouse give me cramp on my hands lol.
I was surprised to not see the Orochi v2 in this list
At the end of the day, the real best wireless gaming mouse was the friends we made along the way
What is your opinion about the glorious model o/o-? I want to get one and would love to know your thoughts
I've used the model o as my main mouse for quite a while. Had to return it due to massive connectivity issues though. Apart from that it wasn't a bad mouse a few years ago when I got it, but it can't really compete with the newer mice anymore... Wouldn't recommend buying it in today's market.
@@techlessYT thanks!
Good review, i have similar hand shape as yours. Have you tried any vaxee mice?
Thanks! Haven't tried any Vaxee mice yet unfortunately
@@techlessYT Looking forward for a review on one of those if you ever get a chance to tried them!
@@techlessYT You both should try the new Sora v2 (yes I did try vaxee and every gaming mouse in the world)
Everyone always underrating the G303se. For claw grip users imo it is nearly perfect but it always left off the lists. I assume cuz it's just plain bad for other grip styles?
Dav3 and G Wolves HTS+ 4K getting no mention is kinda throwing me off.
Hi, thanks for this video, i have a question that you maybe can answer. My main is a g703 20x9.5 hands. when I play, I do a mix of palm/fingertip grip, do you think I can use xm2we comfortably? Btw I tried gpx and viper ultimate and I don't like the shape, thanks.
Deathadder v3 pro (not sure will get back soon)
For me the best gaming mouse still is the razer viper ultimate. Only reason for that is because its a wireless lightweight gaming mouse useable for left handed people. Most of these "ultralight 60-40 gram" mice ditch the ambidextrous design so they spare the internals for side buttons on the right side and lessen the weight doing so. And since left handed gamers are a minority we dont have many options if we dont play with our non dominant hand. Especially in the wireless market.
Lefty here as well, that's the reason I sticking with the G pro wireless-can't do without side buttons.
@@S7tronic yes, that was in my consideration list as well - i just dont like ghub very much. Imo its even more annoying than razer synapse. And since I already had a headset from them and a keyboard as well( i really wanted to try these optical switches) I went with their viper ultimate, which has an ambidextrous design as well.
Yeah v1 pro it's really good and v2 even better
@@soma323 yeah, probably - problem again is that the v2 ditched the ambidextrous design to lose some weight - same as with the gpro superlight - so i probably won't experience another mouse for quite a while haha. Maybe one day a newer, better ambidextrous, or even pure (HIGHLY DOUBT THAT) lefty mouse comes out and I switch. But for now, I will stay with my viper ultimate.
I have tried atlantis, x2 , xm2we and viper v2 pro, I feel most comfortable on the viper v2 pro and the others they feel good at first after 2 hours of gaming my grip fingers hurts a lot. For me viper is the best shape.
Interesting! What's your grip style and hand size? 🤔
@@techlessYT I use semi-claw. Hand size Length 17.5cm and width 10cm using the methods of rocketjumpninja
is the viper v2 good for claw?
@@triixzz2747 i dont know but you have to give it a try
@@triixzz2747if you don't have big big hands yeah you can use it but palm grip is prob better on the v2
Low weight is nice but I really need a wide shape and at least six thumb buttons. 😅
I wish there were AA/AAA versions of these mice. In-built battery is such a deal breaker
Oh if you really want that get the viper v3 as people love it but hate that you have to put your own battery so I think you might love it
@@shiion6711 I've given up on wireless and bought myself a cobra. They eithrer have a proprietary battery (I prefer rechargable AAA/AA batteries for quick swaps), too heavy or too small
Well that was a great video... Only one thing triggering me like hell is those overwatch bronze player not trying to remove you from high ground. Seen Revenge Of The Sith, haven't they ?
Thanks! Haha yeah high ground is super OP in low elo. Most clips in this video were in high gold/low plat, but people still underestimate high ground...
Holy this channel is thorough. Subbed!
Same
I am still using wired mice. Maybe I should try some of these options. The small version from Darmoshark sounds interesting.
Best mouse shape analysis, really useful. I have mice from three different price categories and different shapes: Razer Viper V2 Pro, Fantech Aria and Ajazz AJ199 and as an average user I did not notice any significant difference in performance. As for the shape: I would like the Razer to have a slightly higher hump pulled back; for Fantech that it is a little narrower on the grip; for Ajazz that it is a little wider on the grip. But after a few days of getting used to it, everyone was doing the job. Claw grip user, hand 18x10cm.
You should try the sora v2 (I have all of those mouse too)
@@shiion6711 thanks.
MM712??
What do you think about razer orochi v2 ?
I get that lightweight is the craze and for good reason but i have gotten my hands on the shroud g303 and for me it is perfect ive never had my aim feel this easy that being said i have always had a really aggressive claw grip so it works
How about testing DPI Deviation like OptimumTech did, the results might surprise you
The EC3w is technically better than the non 4k darmoshark M3 though, it has a better MCU which has better wireless performance. Not saying it's worth the money though
would be nice to know the battery life on these
I'm currently using a g305. its simple, but efficient. and the thing I like most is how it lasts months before having to swap the battery.
Been using it for a few years so now I was looking to see if there were any new better options.
A bigger mouse would be nice since my hands are quite big. Similar performance is more than enough for me, but also similar battery life would be best. If all of these only last a week (or god forbid a day) before I have to recharge or change batteries then that's kind of a deal breaker for me...
Yeah you're probably not gonna be happy with any of these then 😅 I've mained the g305 before and the battery life is just ridiculous. I don't think any mouse with a built-in battery can compete. Your best bet probably are other AA battery mice.
Is Aerox 5 garbage?
Outclassed by other mice that do what it does but better
70 hours of battery life and 95 bucks. I'm good on the Ninjutsu Sora if it can't do better than that. Does allow for charging though. That is what I was looking for with the other mouse, HyperX Pulsefire, that is 90 and charges for 100 hours. Still quite high and low hours but still looking..
Awesome video, would have loved to hear your opinion on the Deathadder V3 Pro Faker edition with the improved coating.
Thanks! Yeah I need to check that out. Looks like it tackles everything I don't like about the Viper V2 Pro.
@@techlessYT Your point about how the Viper and the G Pro Wireless not touching the inside of your hand at the back when claw gripping it is great BTW, I have a GPW and I noticed that too, this my first time hearing someone talk about it.
@@KaledTVbecause it’s rounded and not flat also not pointy enough like the viper mini
no word about noise of the buttons and scroll wheel
I'm rocking the Ninjutso Sora
Make a mousepad round up video like this too
Thoughts on the Deathadder v3 pro?
Once you go deathadder, you never go back
Do not get Razer Viper V2 Pro. Worst experience I have ever had when it come to a gaming mouse. I got the Viper V2 Pro in October of 2022 and before that my first mouse was the Logitech Superlight. it was good for about 6 month or so before I had issues with the dongle where the connection kept falling through and eventually it died and never worked again, so I got it RMA’d they sent a new dongle and it’s been working fine connection wise since then. Now my only issue with the Razer mouse is the encoder that they use for the mouse wheel it needs to be constantly cleaned for it to work properly and i never had such issues with the superlight; only issue I had with the superlight is that battery inside wasn’t glued properly so I had to glue it myself.
The asus rog harpe ace aimlab édition is easily the best gaming ive ever bought, for large hands its an END GAME
can't wait for finalmouse superlight x
I alternate between GPX and Darmoshark M3, I gotta say, I fkin love the Darmo, its unreal that its under 50 dollars, the shape feels good too.
you will NOT feel the latency diff between the mice at all, kudos to Darmo
(FYI I use a Claw grip and my hands aren't too huge, no issues with either)
how is the M3 holding up after a few months now?
So sad that i have a really bad exp with the Sora, i got 3 units from 3 diferents batches and all get sensor issues, sad cuz its my second favorite shape for claw :(
I think the razer orochi v2 is a good pick
Cool story now do one for left handed people
If u looking for a gpxs alternatice i recommend dermoshark m3 or rakk talan air
try spc gear lix wireless, cheap and very good, and i think you love it!!!
The viper V2 pro is a super weird mouse it needs to be held at like a 15° angle in hand along with a relaxed fingertip grip to be held properly
possibly because of the curve on its sides. i use claw grip and there is no noticable inclination, but when i switch to fingertip grip, i do find it turning counterclockwise a little bit
@@Blu3Y1- yupp had the same experience
If we ignore the price, the Razer Viper mini SE has to be a contender. The build quality is second to none (as long as there are no factory defects) and the tech is top notch. I get that a lot of people can't look past the price, but as someone who is on the computer all day as my career, it's well worth it. I would say that the same goes for pros.
i think u forgot the shape is not for everybody. Techless didnt like the flat shape of viper v2, so the viper mini SE will be the same shape
@@mytommy That may be true, but It can be said for any mouse. You can say that about any mouse on this list. Also, the SE is the same shape as the viper mini, which is one of the most popular and widely loved small mice.
@@mytommyviper mini has a different hump and button profile than regular viper. It’s a larger hump moved further back with much lower button height. More similar to a sora than a viper v2 pro.
the dragonfly f1 or r1 series are better than darmoshark m3. and the top budget mouse is viper mini. i have used all of them.
You forgot the DAv3 pro man.
Had logitech g pro and super light, switches died after a year or so. Jumped to viper ultimate, excellent build and performance, with no issues after time.
You could try changing a switch? unless the circuit board broke..
@@HillsSeesYou Yeah, pretty reasonable, and it would help! But I just bought a viper ultimate, which suits me better))
And fact that logitech using such a bad components in a premium price devices is driving me crazy... While razer using optical switches.
@@HillsSeesYou i can't justify buying a mouse at $150 with subpar switches that needs to be replaced because of double-clicking and micro-usb charging port in these day and age ... how Logitech haven't released a refreshed GPX is wild, i think they just don't give a shit
@@Agent_Alpha_SLV ye I agree I bought my Orchid V2 for like 30 dollars not the highest end product but the build quality is superb. I mean I was providing a way could save the mouse, switches and soldering iron is pretty cheap
@@HillsSeesYou i used to own a G502 and G403 Wireless (G703 without the Hero sensor) and they performed fine, but the switches bugged me out like crazy, and build quality is not the best. Have been sticking to Razer for the past 2 years, i currently have a Viper Mini, Viper Ultimate, Viper V2 Pro, Basilisk X Hyperspeed and Deathadder V3 Pro. Tried out my friend's GPX and didn't really like it, feels like Logitech really need to upgrade their mice, they introduced the G502X so they clearly can put out a refresh...
Can wee get a review of the g24f2 PLEASEEEE i need to compare it with lg gn650
feels bad all the good mice are too big for my hands
The problem i have with most of these mice (except razer/logi) is that they are not readily available except specific countries or they are produced in smaller batches and they are constantly out of stock. So for me i'm basically stuck with the g305 and superlight. The superlight is simply way too big for my hand and the g305 is my ideal grip for fingertip but i wish was a bit lighter. Anyway if i want any of those shown in the video i would have to go out of my way to scour the internet for availability and even then i would probably have to pay at least 20-30 euros in shipping fees which makes the purchase unjustifiable.
which country u from
If you need something for some reason, you need it. A mouse is a peripheral, so it makes the connection betweem person and machine, hence its quality, technical adequacy and comfort greatly affect the perceived user experience. The choice of what to buy is even more important, if you spend hours in front of the screen on a daily basis, in which case, it really doesn't worth/make sense cheaping out on it. And you are not stuck with anything. You CHOSE to be stuck with sub-par stuff for your preferences. I would buy something actually awesome instead.
Pulsar X2 mini, Lamzu Atlantis Mini, Ninjutso Sora, Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless, Xtrfy M42 Wireless, G-Wolves HSK series, G-Wolves Hati S Wireless, G-Wolves HTX, Finalmousr Ultralight X Small, Razer Viper Mini Signature Edition, or even the Razer Orochi V2 with Energizer Ultimate Lithium AAA battery (this battery weights only 7,5 grams), just to name a few options for fingertip users.
There, I justified it for you.
We basically have the same hands, what mouse would you reccomend for them? I’m trying to get the m3s varun (darmoshark)
Sora v2 you will not regret it
I might have one of the wierdest grip, i use a grip where u have one finger on mb1 middle finger on scroll wheel, and ring finger on mb2. So for me the superlight is the best option ive found for me🙃
Jollz also uses this grip style and the superlight 😉
@@techlessYT oh yea, i see it now😂 ive never seen anyone else use it, and when i tell people they look at me like im a freak
I changed my mouse like 5 times this year 😂 end up with the lamzu atlantis mini and razer naga