Which Type of Water Supply Valve Should You Use: Compression or Push Fit?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- If you are wondering which type of water supply valve to use...compression or push-fit (shark bite), watch this video to see the differences between the two.
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Push fit works better than compression all the time. Also Shark Bite make a 10$ tool that doesn't require any finger space and is a super thin tool. Love these videos. I've learned a ton from this woman!
Thank you for the tip..gonna get one before I start installing
It wasn't mentioned in the video but if you use a push-fit, you need to make sure you push it in the correct depth or you will have a leak. The packaging should tell you how much it pushes in...typically 1"-1.15". Mark that on the copper pipe so that you know you have it seated at the correct depth.
YES...absolutely right! Thanks for the reminder
Tips for replacing a compression valve to push fit: When removing the ferrule with the tool, it helps to grease the end of the pipe to help the ferrule side off. After, you can use alcohol to clean off the remaining grease. Also important; if the compression valve was on too tight, the pipe could have been compressed to a smaller diameter. If that is the case, you will not get a good seal with the push fit. Be prepared to have to cut the end of the pipe to get a new fresh section of the pipe - this is not hard to do. Before you pull the ferrule, be sure you have a long enough section of pipe in case you will need to cut the pipe. If your starting with a short pipe; best to leave the ferrule, and just replace with another compression valve.
Thanks a lot. My case is a compression valve with a short pipe so I going to replace de valve for another compression valve using the old rin.
Does re-use of the old ring lead to leak? Should you put a dab of grease on the ring to seal it?
if you put in new ring, is it recommended to grease the pipe section where the ring sit to prevent corrosion?
One other big thing about the push fittings (SharkBite is a popular brand name). These fitting have to be installed properly or they will fail. This means you need to push the fittings on straight and you have to push them fulling onto the pipe. The first thing you need to do is use your hand and push on the pipe. If the pipe moves, then you might have a problem getting a push fitting on correctly. You need to make sure you can push against the pipe and it will stop moving with enough pipe out of the wall, so that you can then push the fitting on smoothly and completely. If you do not push the fitting on completely, there is a good chance it will fail.
Once you've install a few of these push fittings you get the feel of whether it's slide on straight and complete, but if this your first time with this type of fitting you need to make sure it's on straight and on completely.
If you don't have much pipe coming out of the wall and/or if your pipe moves in and out of the wall a lot, you might not want to use a push fitting. Also, don't be clamping down on copper pipe trying to hold it in place. Copper is a soft metal and you could either poke a hole in it or collapse it completely, then you'll have a much bigger plumbing issue. Push fittings are much better for cases where you can completely grab the pipe with one hand while pushing the fitting on with your other hand or places where you know the pipe is not going to move when you push against it.
One last thing, if you get the removal tool make sure you get the correct one for the size pipe you are using, the tool has to match the pipe size so 1/2 inch, 3/4 inch, etc. It's OK if you have to remove the fitting and reset it but much like the compression fitting the woman showed in this video, there is a plastic piece inside the push fitting that acts just like the ferrule that she shows. If you mess up that plastic piece in the push fitting, they will no longer work correctly and you'll end up getting leaks. So be firm but gentle when pushing them on or pulling them off. Don't be pushing on and pulling off these types of fitting too many times, again you'll wear down the plastic inside and open then up to more risk of failure.
This is the second one for the basement bat. ruclips.net/user/postUgkxOuLt8IL_GxhhaK8DBuKEL-zV0UJVpWZn , works great
Hi. Journeyman plumber here. A good thing to do with the push fit is to establish the depth of the push fit fitting and then mark the pipe accordingly. Then you will know that it's all the way in. I prefer the 1/4 turn fitting, which is a ball valve. The other valve has rubber washer to close the valve. In time , especially on a hot supply to sink etc that washer wears out and will not shut off.
I agree, a Ball Value is the way to go with all water valves, water heats, hose bibbs, water conditioners etc. If you have a leak it only takes one quick turn to shut the water off. BTW I'm not a plumber, I just pretend to be one on Facebook lol
I've used both compression and push-on (sharkbite) shut off valves many times with great success. Some question whether the push-on connection valves will last the "test of time" beyond 10 or 20 years but that is yet to be determined. The compression valve you've shown has a gate or washer and seat configuration, so the washer is replaceable and the stem packing seal is also replaceable down the road. This valve also requires several turns of the handle to turn it all the way on or all the way off. Unfortunately, they sometimes get stuck because they are rarely activated.
The push-on valve shown is a 1/4 turn ball valve so it requires just a 1/4 turn to activate on or off. The ball valve seat and stem packing are not replaceable so failure does mean valve replacement.
The orange "C" shaped removal tool for the push-on is usually supplied with the new valve. Duct tape it to the back of the toilet or inside a vanity close by so you know where it is 10 years from now when you need it.
I LOVE THIS WOMAN! My family thinks I'm super cool now. This isn't the first time you've saved me time and money! It took me longer to find the wrench and flash light than it did to turn that packing nut and stop the leak! Thank you thank you thank you! You are great at this. So much knowledge and also great at making these fixes easy to understand and to complete.
Good video, very well organized for beginners. I feel it is important to mention that compression valves are also available in quarter turn styles. When you go to turn off a push fitting valve you also have to hold the valve body while closing the valve or the whole fitting will rotate and possibly kink the supply line.
I absolutely love your videos. You're definitely a teacher, and you explain things so well!!!
Another difference between the compression fitting and the push fit is that the push fit can rotate freeway after installation, which is sometimes very helpful.
I used the compression valve and it was leaking a little despite it being really tight. The push fit worked like a charm. No leaks . Thanks for the tutorial:)
compression fittings, just like others require a clean-square-cut thats been sanded and demurred
push fits also require this
but they are also twice the price.....but....really speed up install
time is money
i swap out angle-stops probably in the numbers of about 20 a week, which saves me a solid $350 a month
but if you're a homeowner and a plumber is trying to charge you a zillion$
the push fit is the way to go
the one caveat on copper pipe is it's absolutely imperative to cut the bur on the OUTSIDE of the pipe
as it can damage the internal O rings leading to premature faliure
pick up an "inside/outside" pipe reamer at your big box store for $12 and you're a better installer than 90% of licenced apprentice installers
If you wrap some Teflon tape around the ferrule you can stop the leaks on the compression fitting
I love this woman! You have helped me so much! My family think I'm so cool now. A plumber would have charged me lots of money to fix this problem. (I realize they would have done more work than just turning the packing nut) however, it's fixed. It took more time to find the wrench than to fix the leak! Thank you so much.
Leah, your work never goes out of style, it's timeless. Here I am five years later and it's making my whole life better. Yesterday I installed a toilet for the first time in my life...using your video from 7 years ago...and that went perfectly (though I did add a trick from thrift who suggests making a frogtape outline of the toilet placement to keep the silicone from making a mess)
But when I got done, the supply valve was leaking. Waa. But tonight I acquired the pieces and tools and will tackle this part tomorrow morning. Crazy, I wonder why I didn't think "shop" classes were for me. I love this jazz
Came for the knowledge, left very relaxed. I could listen to you spin a yarn all day long haha. Thanks for being you!
One note about the push fit is that, if you don't push exactly straight into the pipe, it can go half way and then stop, leading you to believe it's fully seated. The cure is to make a mark on the pipe 1" from the end, then be sure the push fit goes all the way to that mark. If it doesn't, pull it off and try again.
Every time you say, "You can do this" at the end of your videos, my heart smiles! My Dad and Uncle used to say the same to me...😊
So helpful!!!! I have (turned off) short water pipes sticking out of a wall in a room being remodeled and this video totally enlightened me and gave me more option ideas for functionality!!! Awesome!!
No matter how mundane the topic I always learn something from Leah.
Leah, all of your videos are amazing! I never thought in a million years I could re-pipe-re-plumb my entire 2 bath, 2 bedroom 1000 sf home by myself. After battling cancer for over 16 years, at only 43 years old. (next week) My bones are brittle, I am in pain a lot, but I am a doer! Disability doesn't pay for trial and error, and it sure doesn't pay to re-plump a home that's older than I am. My home was built in 1965. I was born 08/27/1972. Although it takes me longer as my body doesn't always cooperate, I am so thankful for YOU! I have thought of starting my own Channel. One thing at a time, right? =D At this very moment I sat down to take a break and to say thank you!!!
Ireland Reece Hi Ireland, Wow! I'm very impressed...you CAN do it, cancer and all! I'm very glad to be of help, and I wish you the best going forward. Regards, Leah
+seejanedrill I have a similar situation-only my house if a bit larger than a Phone Booth. I am wanting to run Pex lines from a new Tankless H2O, (Electric) for both Kitchen and Bath, (H & C). Do I have to use Shark Bites to plum with Pex. Pex would be best due to hard well water. The Current Galvanized, are all rusted at the threaded ends-and build up too much Calcium.
Beautiful comment and best wishes, and for safety do not share your DOB on RUclips. Hope it’s not exactly correct
Great video Leah! For my experience: I have had "push fit" valves leak on me. But then, I've had compression valves leak as well. Normally I can tighten the compression fitting enough to stop the leak. The only thing I can do with the "push fit" is ... replace the valve. My personal preference: 1. remove the stem from the sweat type valve. 2. Solder the valve on the copper stub. Your instruction on soldering is an excellent tutorial. 3. Apply 'pipe dope" to packing nut threads and put stem back in the valve. 4. Turn water on, check for leaks, tighten packing nut if needed. 5. Enjoy a piece of apple pie and a cup of coffee in celebration of another job well done! Thank you Leah!
Completely brilliant video! It’s a knack to teach and convey the way you do without pandering. Thank you for such a well laid-out video.
i train alot of young employees at my job of 33 years aerospace ; i am impressed with your teaching style ; you remind the student ; not to be over whelmed and reinforce the you can do it ;while pointing out the possible difficulties ; and your a woman ;me being somewhat a chauvinist ;i am impressed ;good job to your teaching and though i do not wear hats i tip my hat to you style and ability
I always look to see if you have a video on a home repair before doing any repair project. They are informative, complete, and help me make a list of steps to follow, parts and needed, and tools to have handy. Thank you!
thank you for this video, I'm in process of installing a circulation pump for my hot water heater and needed to install a part at the furthest faucet and didn't know how to install the new shut off valve but thanks to you now I do!
Very informative and you give great explanations on how and why each works. Your an asset to the how to teachers out there. Thanks
This is the best instructional video that I found on youtube thank you for taking the time to explain in simple way how to install and remove the shutoff valve.
Great video. You covered everything that I was wondering about and you did it in a very clear manner. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I use the push connect valve brass craft and thank god for your video. I have a leaking toilet water supply line and try to replace my old push connect brass craft. I thought I can easily just pull it out but can't believe how hard and difficult it's. I turn to youtube and found your video was very helpful. Thanks again for taking the time to post this video, your video has solved many people's toilet problems who want to learn how to repair their own toilet problems because it's expensive to have a plumber doing for you, thanks for a million.
Leah, you're the best. You've really helped me with your videos. You make things simple to understand and you show us the tools and special tools we need and how to use them. Bravo! Thank you!
It's my pleasure!
Brilliant! I had no idea there was a difference. Even at twice the cost the push fit is the way to go. Great video.
Thanks again, Leah. Second video of yours I've seen. You're a superior teacher with the sights to go with the words. Bravo!!
you're welcome, and thanks!
You are the best...this is the second time you've saved me....had no idea to turn the nut 'righty loosey' to take off the compression shut off valve. I was trying to loosen it by turning it 'righty tighty'...and turning to infinity before watching you.....thanks again.
You are the best teacher I have seen anywhere on the web. I appreciate you.
Thank you. I definitely will continue watching your channel. Your directions are clear and concise.
great info for the home owner. I always read comments for additional info. Great site, thanks
Just want to thank for saving the day with plumbing problems in Kansas. thank you!!!!
Excellent command of the language and subject matter. It was a pleasure watching this video and no, I do not want those minutes of my life back. Thank you.
I like how you Splaine everything to keep it simple
Great video; thank you for sharing. If all else fails, a good solder valve job will fix the problem.
Hi Leah,
I hope this message finds you doing well. I watched your video on the feral removal tool. I purchased one and I’ve used it about 10 times I wish I would’ve known about this years ago. The best tool I ever owned thank you so much for your videos you’re truly one of the RUclips channels I love to watch.
God bless you!
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Perfect explanation. Good tempo. Not boringly slow and not zippity too fast. Thank you!!!!
+cheryl m hall you're welcome, glad you liked it!
I already knew this information. I just really enjoy listening to Jane explain things.
2021 March 18.. During this Pandemic, your videos are a blessing.. Love your instructions so clear and loud.. Thanks from Miami, Florida..
I have seen many of the first type you showed, but have not seen any of the newer push pull type. Thanks for showing us how to install and remove them.
Sidney Mathious you're very welcome, Sidney!
Best instruction video on a PUSH VALVE Installation I have found. Thank you , Thank you ! 😊
Leah has a God given talent for explaining things!
thanks, Great video! My husband and I think that your videos are clear, concise and thorough. Do a lot more of them. Here's to all the women with tools!
+Chris Malis you're welcome, Chris, and thanks!
You’re so awesome Lea!! You make plumbing’s work less intimidating..👍👍
You're amazing, and your videos are the best! Wish me luck for my dishwasher install!
You're the greatest! I'll be tackling a replacement of a toilet shut-off valve tomorrow. Thank you for the great video. You should be on one of the cable channels with your own series. :)
Excellent vid. My valve body is right up against the wall and I can see what appears to be a threaded pipe it’s attached to. No room to even put channnel locks or vice grips on it to keep it from spinning while attempting to loosen valve body. This operation will definitely involve opening up the wall to expose the pipe T it’s screwed into. I managed to stop the leaking valve with the rope material.
Fantastic video! Exactly what I was looking to understand with my shut off valves.
Hugely helpful, thanks so much!
Plumbing videos you post have the best content and are the most informative on RUclips. Thanks so much!
you're welcome, Fred, and thanks!
As always, excellent, clear video. Thanks.
Great video. Clear, concise, and good video quality.
thanks!
Great video. I learned a lot about the differences and it really explained the difference. Thanks!
Thanks for this comparison. It was really helpful and easily explained to someone as clueless like me. Thank you.
Dont forget to shut off your water main when replacing your valves. Great video
Thanks for mentioning
@@seejanedrill your welcome
Thanks for the great video s
I was wondering why the valve shot across the room when I removed it.
Great chef! simple and clear teaching!
Thanks Leah for this informative information God Bless you my Dear.
@seejanedrill this video helped us install a new vanity, valves, and supply lines. Thanks you so much, Leah!!!! We went with the push valve with quarter turn.
nice! way to go!
All your videos are self explanatory & i love that about you jane :)
thanks, Gary!
Jane love your videos. Learnt a lot from you. Thank you for help.
Thanks Lea, that was very informative. I thought you were just a Carpenter but appears you are a Jane of all trades.
Thank you Leah!! Love your spirit 😊
I just bought 5 push on valves to replace the dead valves for out sinks and I didn't know how to use the new valves until I came across your video. thank you very much for showing how easy it is
Glad to be of service
I like the folks who share knowledge with others to make this world better THANK YOU .BY THE WAY THESE 1/2 ball valves inside moving part is plastic and did fail after 1 year so keep an eye on this, it was a small leak but it was there .
This lady plumber is awesome! Thank you for putting this video up.
thanks for your videos. We appreciate your desire to help!
You explain things so well. Could you do a video for running water supply to fridge ?
A ferrule puller... cool! I had no idea these were a thing... 👍 gotta get one. Thanks!
Wow sister! This is a great video! Very informative and educational! Best 5min spent on RUclips👍
your video really helped show different setups thank you...
Thank you seejanedrill your videos are diy dream . You explain in a way that everyone can succeed. I thought I was in over
my head, but you built my confidence that I ca
n do this. Thank You seejanedrill.
I love push fits. Bought the tool to remove it and it's seriously upped my plumbing game, lol.
Well written, clearly explained - great clear, well-lit close-ups. Thanks for a very good video.
you're very welcome, and thanks for your comments!
Great video..got a leaky valve and wanted to see if this was something I could tackle...
Never knew about the push fit. Thanks!
You’re simply the Best! Thanks Lea
Siempre aprendiendo algo nuevo contigo
Always learning something new with you
Gracias thanks “Lea”
You are awesome. I am looking for your other DIY videos . Thank you
You probably don't get a chance to read all the comments...but I gotta tell ya...Once I watch your video, I always feel empowered. No job is too daunting, after hearing you say : YOU CAN DO IT....thanks Leah..
You can!
Thank You. This was explained clearly and received with understanding.
I watched this video just before fixing my shut off valve on my toilet not ten minutes ago. No leaks, very good video. 10/10.
Nice.....way to go!
Thank you for these easy-to-use videos. So well done! With your instructions, I really can do it.
+Nancy Griffith yes, you can! :)
Excellent video. Simple and direct. Thank you
Thanks a whole lot for this video...I installed a push fit and I didn't know how to take it off...thanks again.
+Superfoot you're very welcome!
Great Explanations on how and why each works Thanks
Thank You and You are the BEST dear lady!!!
I got the pully kind. Thanks for your video
The SharkBite fittings that I had, the Chrome cap that goes over the line also serves as a removal tool. You just pop it off spin it around and remove it like you showed in the video.
Great tip.
You are the best. I proudly replaced 3 toilets also with your help.
You do a very nice job explaining. Thanks
Thank you, Leah!
You have the best tutorials on youtube, thank you!
Thanks so much! I've done a fair bit of home & car repair but never had to install a shut off from scratch. (Turns out my Gma wants a bidet and her 40+ year old home has copper straight into the toilet!)
I thought it would be a world more difficult than this.
Another thing I would note about the push fit fittings is that they can completely rotate when they are installed. Compression cannot. That does make a big difference when you have excess supply hose or slack. And I have never had a push fitting leak when installed properly. Compression can right away if not tightened up correctly. Great video.
I also have in a pinch used adjustable pliers to pull off a push fitting instead of the push fitting removal tool. Plumbers I have spoken to say they use the same technique.
onecrazywheel Thanks for sharing the tip about the pliers...that is a great one, and it may help others out there that don't have the removal tool.
+onecrazywheel You can rotate a compression fitting by using a wrench.
@@Wolf_The_Dentist_Stansson Do not rotate a compression valve without loosening it up first.
@@markuschelios6891 In my 9 years of plumbing I have never had a problem rotating a compression valve without loosening
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Your videos are awesome. So concise and detailed. Thank you.
you're very welcome!
Thanks for sharing! Was very helpful! Save me time and money! Thanks thanks thanks! Happy healthy and long life!!!