It's a terrible shame. Marvel and DC both royally messed up. They have made utterly wasteful decisions that destroyed a perfectly good medium to tell entertaining stories.
@@mayotango1317 DC Comics is filled with just as much agenda pushing as Marvel Comics. DC Comics has changed characters and created entire titles to push "The Message" of their agenda.
@@mayotango1317 DC Comics is filled with just as much agenda pushing as Marvel Comics. DC Comics has changed characters and created entire titles to push "The Message" of their agenda.
"Wokenism not gonna kill comics - rather comics with ugly not sexy women and LGBT selling good" - so they said, then OH suddenly turns out comics made by wokies not selling and dead on arival, -unexpected AF-
would depend on what you feed them. It'd be amusing to have one for golden age, one for silver age, one for bronze and one for Iron and give them all the same prompt.
I’ve been saying for years we are moving toward a post literate world. It will happen like this. Wouldn’t it be great if Disney just internally admitted it was out of ideas and they sold comic making rights to someone who would revive it. No way they do that.
Marvel died in 2009 when Disney bought them (possibly even eariler than that when they released One More Day), and DC died when they completely rebooted their whole universe in 2011 with the New 52.
@@death-king1834 yup my DC collection ends with 2011 graphic novels. Exception, the batman run on new 52 was good, I did read it all upto a few years ago but it's a shit fest, so outside of batman by Scott Snyder I didn't bother adding to my set of books.
I have been a Marvel fan since 1964 but the reality is, IMHO, they should simply licence out the characters and close it. There is no coming back from the steaming pile of dung Marvel comics has become, no fixing it.
I do appreitcate that their releasing and reprinting all the old Star Wars comics under that brand, you know the ones made by Dark Horse, who agruebly made far better stories when they had the license. If nothing else, slapping the 'Legends' branding also helps distinguish from non-Disney Star Wars from the Disney fan-fiction crap they now call 'canon'.
You must be mistaken, comics are doing better than ever! Ask anyone in the industry who agrees with this and no one who disagrees because they are nazis! Corporate just says they're restructuring! Nothing to be worried about!
Why it took this long to reach this point can only be because of ESG money. Failure cannot outrun the demands of a free market indefinitely, and the incurring recession/depression will make quick work of them soon.
The moment they allowed ULTIMATUM to happen, killing off the old roster of the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Marvel Comics went on life support. Then, they allowed the failed DNC operative Nick Spencer to write Steve Rogers Captain America during the 2016 presidential election period, and they remained on life support. Then, Kelly Sue DeConnic uttered those iconic words "If you don’t like my politics, don't buy my book" and Marvel was too far gone. This was a stay of execution. That stay has now expired. And best believe that DC Comics will be next. Marvel Comics and DC Comics allowed the woke mind virus to run rampant. And now that virus has killed the patients. I've been waiting a long time for this news. Now, here we are.
They want someone to produce a packaged report analyzing their sales? But....to do that someone would have to tell the truth about what the sales numbers are and why. Disney/ Marvel does not want the truth. We know this because we know that they know why the numbers are down and keep going down.
My local store went from 95% of space used on comics to 10% in the past few years. They transitioned to games, Manga, models, and merch. Comics is now just a small piece of the puzzle. D&D, 40k, BT, Magic...all take up more space and outsell.
I don’t think it means Marvel Comics is going away. They’ve lost a ton of money under printing their line plus I imagine there hasn’t been a ton of scrutiny on what each book’s return is. It could mean that we will see less books greenlit and/or books cancelled much quicker than before. Then again maybe it will close shop eventually and roll up/be farmed out.
The first step in getting out of the hole you dug is to Stop Digging. All they are doing is digging slower with a bigger shovel. If Marvel Comics dies, they lose nothing because they don’t value it at all.
As long as they continue to reprint the classic stories in graphic novels like the Epic Collections, I don't care. I admittedly never really cared much for most of Marvel's stuff after the 90s, but even the stuff that initially turned me off isn't as bad as some of what's been done in the last decade.
I actually thought Agatha was pretty cool in the first show. I am just trepidatious about how this show will kill the goodwill I had a few years ago for this character.
I remember a couple of years back Marvel came out with some woke superheros that flopped almost immediately. At least in that case it was an original creation. It was so ridiculous it was almost a parody but it was offered in all seriousness. I think as a parody of wokeness it would have worked but if there is one group of people that have no sense of humor it is this crowd.
Interesting concept. And one that I believe is coming sooner than later. One flaw in this theory is that Marvel comics doesn't exist. Marvel studios exists. This happened around the time purlmutter got canned.
Marvel died when Stan Lee claimed he created the legends of the Marvel's avengers and villains. I'm the original founder of marvel since earth 616 and before then. I'm the original captain America, Thor, iron man, hulk, Spiderman, Hawkeye, Deadpool, wolverine, and more. Basically Marvel was original created by me. No lie.
sure it wont happen but i wish disney would s ell marvel to recoup some of their losses,... considering how many titles marvel publishes per week, that job looks like alot of work to me,...whew.
I grew up on Marvel Comics! Not tv shows or movies.... The books. They helped me grow up and become who I am, I ❤ them. That said "Disney Fd It forever.... Burn it down"
The reason Marvel Comics is failing, but manga and manhwa (Korean comics) are not? Sympathetic characters from sympathetic writers- or lack thereof. I'm a heterosexual man, but I often read shojo ai and yuri manga (non-explicit and explicit Japanese comics about lesbian relationships, respectively), because I can see the lesbians' struggle to find their place in the world, in my own as a non-white immigrant to the US. Japanese writers refrained from making their protagonists Mary Sue self-inserts who are "Like [them], but absolutely perfect in every way!!!" as the only people who can relate to a self-insert, is the writer who inserted him or herself into the story. Their protagonists do not demand or receive validation in-story or in the real world, e.g., Disney shills FALSELY CLAIMING it was "stunning and brave" to turn a character who was previously and consistently portrayed as heterosexual, into a lesbian- when a manga artist decides to make the cast "more diverse," he or she does it by creating a NEW CHARACTER who happens to be a lesbian, instead of LAZILY swapping a preexisting character's sexual orientation. Their characters have real flaws that are acknowledged and corrected over the course of their character arcs, e.g., Sailor Moon's laziness and poor study habits- something I shared with her when I was in junior high and high school- for which she needed Sailor Mercury's help to correct. Can any "current year" Marvel employee even match a fraction of the accomplishments Takeuchi Naoko (creator of 'Sailor Moon') made over THIRTY YEARS AGO? Or will they instead waste their and our time FALSELY ACCUSING Takeuchi of being "racist" for not making any black Sailor Senshi- never mind the fact the manga is set in JAPAN, which has very few black people living there- and "sexist" for not making any Sailor Senshi "non-binary" or other IMAGINARY gender?
Good at this point i celebrate this. I no longer care about Marvel or what happens to it after they got woke. This is your consequence, live with it. Good riddance.
Disney killed Marvel. Wokeness was just one of Disneys tools to finnish the job. Stan Lee killed Marvel when he sold it to Disney in 1998... Marvel was a very successful company, that was dragged into bankruptcy by Stan Lee's massive ego and horrible management, abuse of talent, and contract breach. Ie. Stan Lee killed Marvel, using Disney as a tool. He set himself up a sweet returement deal, makinf sure he never had to wirk a day in his life, and the talented people who created Marvel, got nothing and died in abscurity. Genius. Sick , twisted genius. Remind you of anyone?
This is such BS clickbait. This is support on an existing division. Probably just the people putting out the magazines and YA fiction and the like. Nothing to see here. Very disingenuous video
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It's a terrible shame.
Marvel and DC both royally messed up.
They have made utterly wasteful decisions that destroyed a perfectly good medium to tell entertaining stories.
DC is still great.
@@mayotango1317 No, DC Comics is just as bad as Marvel Comics.
@@hammertronactionfigures2426 No, Marvel is woke. No DC.
@@mayotango1317 DC Comics is filled with just as much agenda pushing as Marvel Comics.
DC Comics has changed characters and created entire titles to push "The Message" of their agenda.
@@mayotango1317 DC Comics is filled with just as much agenda pushing as Marvel Comics.
DC Comics has changed characters and created entire titles to push "The Message" of their agenda.
No.
There is no comic book super hero fatige.
There is only garbage Disney/ Marvel fatigue.
Ok...
I still love super heroes. I'm just having to get them from anime and manga.
@@y_s4021Have you read a Marvel comic?
agreed. I think Deadpool & Wolverine success proved it was not 'superhero fatigue'
"Wokenism not gonna kill comics - rather comics with ugly not sexy women and LGBT selling good" - so they said, then OH suddenly turns out comics made by wokies not selling and dead on arival, -unexpected AF-
Wokeness kills entire civilizations
Fans: "Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru"
Marvel: "Nani?"
Comics written by AI, it’s not like they’d be any worse
would depend on what you feed them. It'd be amusing to have one for golden age, one for silver age, one for bronze and one for Iron and give them all the same prompt.
the demand is still there. people want to buy comics, not garbage. they did this to themselves
Marvel died when Stan Lee did.
I’ve been saying for years we are moving toward a post literate world. It will happen like this.
Wouldn’t it be great if Disney just internally admitted it was out of ideas and they sold comic making rights to someone who would revive it.
No way they do that.
I don't like the name "Agatha All Along".
I don't like anything Disney/ Marvel.
EVERYTHING Disney/ Marvel is utter nonsense!
What's wrong with Agatha Allah Long?
Marvel comic rest in peace 1939-2024. Dc comic rest in peace 1935-2024.
1935-2016
They've been dead for years kid!😂
Marvel died in 2009 when Disney bought them (possibly even eariler than that when they released One More Day), and DC died when they completely rebooted their whole universe in 2011 with the New 52.
@@death-king1834 yup my DC collection ends with 2011 graphic novels.
Exception, the batman run on new 52 was good, I did read it all upto a few years ago but it's a shit fest, so outside of batman by Scott Snyder I didn't bother adding to my set of books.
1934-1998. To be precise. Everything that happened after 1998 was rehashed recycled Disney gargling. The real story arcs stopped at 1998.
I have been a Marvel fan since 1964 but the reality is, IMHO, they should simply licence out the characters and close it. There is no coming back from the steaming pile of dung Marvel comics has become, no fixing it.
Or Put them in the Public Domain (including some modern elements)
@@ComicFan98 I cannot see that happening!
I just hope Marvel continues with the Epic Collections. For me the best days of Marvel are the 1960's -1994.
Yes, things started going down hill fast in the mid 90s.
They're likely to license those out to Dark Horse or Image to handle the reprints if things are that bad
I do appreitcate that their releasing and reprinting all the old Star Wars comics under that brand, you know the ones made by Dark Horse, who agruebly made far better stories when they had the license. If nothing else, slapping the 'Legends' branding also helps distinguish from non-Disney Star Wars from the Disney fan-fiction crap they now call 'canon'.
They should simply sell Marvel
large companies are not to be trusted with intellectual properties, they only see it as brand recognition
You must be mistaken, comics are doing better than ever! Ask anyone in the industry who agrees with this and no one who disagrees because they are nazis!
Corporate just says they're restructuring! Nothing to be worried about!
Why it took this long to reach this point can only be because of ESG money. Failure cannot outrun the demands of a free market indefinitely, and the incurring recession/depression will make quick work of them soon.
RIP Marvel Comics 1939-2013
Marvel comics died a decade ago, were just finally seeing the kill catch up
Moment DeConnic ruined Ms Marvel, and Marvel started to push Miles+Kamala in all holes, i knew ... it's THE END
The moment they allowed ULTIMATUM to happen, killing off the old roster of the Ultimate Marvel Universe, Marvel Comics went on life support.
Then, they allowed the failed DNC operative Nick Spencer to write Steve Rogers Captain America during the 2016 presidential election period, and they remained on life support.
Then, Kelly Sue DeConnic uttered those iconic words "If you don’t like my politics, don't buy my book" and Marvel was too far gone.
This was a stay of execution.
That stay has now expired.
And best believe that DC Comics will be next.
Marvel Comics and DC Comics allowed the woke mind virus to run rampant. And now that virus has killed the patients.
I've been waiting a long time for this news. Now, here we are.
"Marvel comics died a two decades ago, were just finally seeing the kill catch up", there, fixed it for you.
@@spencesanders7879_a two decades ago...._
Longer than that, but the writing was on the wall with Disney buying Marvel.
They want someone to produce a packaged report analyzing their sales?
But....to do that someone would have to tell the truth about what the sales numbers are and why.
Disney/ Marvel does not want the truth.
We know this because we know that they know why the numbers are down and keep going down.
My local store went from 95% of space used on comics to 10% in the past few years. They transitioned to games, Manga, models, and merch.
Comics is now just a small piece of the puzzle.
D&D, 40k, BT, Magic...all take up more space and outsell.
Classic Disney, take a wildly successful franchise and drive it into the dirt. At least they're good at something.
Many people no longer have the income for entertainment - we stay home & watch movies on RUclips.
I don’t think it means Marvel Comics is going away. They’ve lost a ton of money under printing their line plus I imagine there hasn’t been a ton of scrutiny on what each book’s return is. It could mean that we will see less books greenlit and/or books cancelled much quicker than before.
Then again maybe it will close shop eventually and roll up/be farmed out.
Disney divorce marvel and let it be independent again and also clean house
The first step in getting out of the hole you dug is to Stop Digging. All they are doing is digging slower with a bigger shovel. If Marvel Comics dies, they lose nothing because they don’t value it at all.
As long as they continue to reprint the classic stories in graphic novels like the Epic Collections, I don't care. I admittedly never really cared much for most of Marvel's stuff after the 90s, but even the stuff that initially turned me off isn't as bad as some of what's been done in the last decade.
Pandering to non fans isn't a very smart business move.
Could be a good way to drain the swamp.
*All Star stops*
they need to go bust completely, then the I.Ps can be saved from the ashes of disney, amazon and the rest of the wokerati
I actually thought Agatha was pretty cool in the first show. I am just trepidatious about how this show will kill the goodwill I had a few years ago for this character.
Marvel Comics went away!
What else do I have to say!?
We didn't start the fire
No we didn't light it but we're trying to fight it
Fire the comics people and hire animators to make shows out of their old comics, it’s the best option imo
They will ruin perfectly good stories by inserting their ideaology.
I remember a couple of years back Marvel came out with some woke superheros that flopped almost immediately. At least in that case it was an original creation. It was so ridiculous it was almost a parody but it was offered in all seriousness. I think as a parody of wokeness it would have worked but if there is one group of people that have no sense of humor it is this crowd.
The last comic book I bought was X-Men "Days of past future" and was because the motion picture 😶
RIP Marvel comics 1939-2014
Interesting concept. And one that I believe is coming sooner than later. One flaw in this theory is that Marvel comics doesn't exist. Marvel studios exists. This happened around the time purlmutter got canned.
Marvel died when Stan Lee claimed he created the legends of the Marvel's avengers and villains. I'm the original founder of marvel since earth 616 and before then. I'm the original captain America, Thor, iron man, hulk, Spiderman, Hawkeye, Deadpool, wolverine, and more. Basically Marvel was original created by me. No lie.
sure it wont happen but i wish disney would s ell marvel to recoup some of their losses,...
considering how many titles marvel publishes per week, that job looks like alot of work to me,...whew.
I grew up on Marvel Comics! Not tv shows or movies.... The books. They helped me grow up and become who I am, I ❤ them. That said "Disney Fd It forever.... Burn it down"
It’s woke overkill that ruined the comic industry.
how the mighty have fallen
The reason Marvel Comics is failing, but manga and manhwa (Korean comics) are not? Sympathetic characters from sympathetic writers- or lack thereof.
I'm a heterosexual man, but I often read shojo ai and yuri manga (non-explicit and explicit Japanese comics about lesbian relationships, respectively), because I can see the lesbians' struggle to find their place in the world, in my own as a non-white immigrant to the US. Japanese writers refrained from making their protagonists Mary Sue self-inserts who are "Like [them], but absolutely perfect in every way!!!" as the only people who can relate to a self-insert, is the writer who inserted him or herself into the story. Their protagonists do not demand or receive validation in-story or in the real world, e.g., Disney shills FALSELY CLAIMING it was "stunning and brave" to turn a character who was previously and consistently portrayed as heterosexual, into a lesbian- when a manga artist decides to make the cast "more diverse," he or she does it by creating a NEW CHARACTER who happens to be a lesbian, instead of LAZILY swapping a preexisting character's sexual orientation. Their characters have real flaws that are acknowledged and corrected over the course of their character arcs, e.g., Sailor Moon's laziness and poor study habits- something I shared with her when I was in junior high and high school- for which she needed Sailor Mercury's help to correct.
Can any "current year" Marvel employee even match a fraction of the accomplishments Takeuchi Naoko (creator of 'Sailor Moon') made over THIRTY YEARS AGO? Or will they instead waste their and our time FALSELY ACCUSING Takeuchi of being "racist" for not making any black Sailor Senshi- never mind the fact the manga is set in JAPAN, which has very few black people living there- and "sexist" for not making any Sailor Senshi "non-binary" or other IMAGINARY gender?
This has been speculated as being not far off for a while now.
They should have a last event where Korvac destroys everything and that's all. Terminated.
There are still some good marvel comics out there. This years carnage and recent Symbiosis Necrosis is good. So is that new Deadpool & Wolverine comic
DC had nothing in the top 20 this month...thats the bigger story to me....i think this video is a bit overblown...
This idea has been around for years along with licensing the characters out and it has not happened.
I knew this was coming.
Agatha All A Fail
Good at this point i celebrate this. I no longer care about Marvel or what happens to it after they got woke. This is your consequence, live with it. Good riddance.
Isn't this like the fifth time they change the title?
Woke killed Marvel... Just like you killed Ed Pisker
Just like how news, and reality shows killed television.
@@Launchpad05_🎶video killed the radio star🎶_
I have a few bucks. Can I buy marvel comics? Lol
Finally
Disney killed Marvel. Wokeness was just one of Disneys tools to finnish the job.
Stan Lee killed Marvel when he sold it to Disney in 1998... Marvel was a very successful company, that was dragged into bankruptcy by Stan Lee's massive ego and horrible management, abuse of talent, and contract breach.
Ie. Stan Lee killed Marvel, using Disney as a tool. He set himself up a sweet returement deal, makinf sure he never had to wirk a day in his life, and the talented people who created Marvel, got nothing and died in abscurity. Genius. Sick , twisted genius. Remind you of anyone?
This is such BS clickbait. This is support on an existing division. Probably just the people putting out the magazines and YA fiction and the like. Nothing to see here. Very disingenuous video
Since endgame it is all been poor poor writing , with forced d e i , and poor poor woke stuff flooded in there films, it is like the Titanic now, been sinking since ENDGAME
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