Really interesting perspective from someone who isn't 150lbs wet through. These feel like an interesting lightweight/mission option for all the 200lbs+ backcountry skiers out there. Will try to get in a pair before winter is out.
@@thomaschilcott yeah I think that it is a good option for missions where the emphasis is not on skiing for people 200+ with the caveat that it must fit you well.
I really appreciate your perspective on these boots. I have the dynafit radicals and while I think they are as much boot as I want to ski, they walk only so so. I have been eyeing these up. If you are taking requests, I would be super interested in a longer vid about liners. I tried on a salomon mtn lab boot a while back and I only then finally understood what people mean when they say a liner is bad. Since you seem to have a lot of experience with intuition liners, I would love to get some insight on where you think they excel, why you might choose the wrap over a tongue style liner, etc. If not, no worries. I'll be a fan either way. Thanks!
Intuition has the highest density longest lasting foam. Zipfits last longer but they are made of cork and leather and neoprene and personally make my feet too sweaty for touring, though they ski excellent. Intuitions are a good middle ground offering better moisture management, more durability and more skiability than stock, without going full custom injection or zipfits. Tongue or wrap really comes down to boot fit. Tongue will always walk better, and if fitted well to the boot, will ski just fine. Wrap offers more stiffness and is a better choice if you have thinner lower legs and feel like you need to take up some space around the shin and ankle to have better power transmission. Wrap also affects stance, meaning you generally get direct contact to the cuff in a more upright position because of more foam in front of your shin. You can push though it so I wouldn't necessarily say it affects forward lean, but it definitely is a more responsive feel and enables you to get to the cuff sooner. They also fit in the boots differentlt. Very low volume boots around the ankle may not accommodate a wrap, but can fit a low volume tongue.
Weight wise and in terms of carpet flexing the direct comparison is the new Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro. Weight's 10grams less per boot in the same size. 1375g for the Ridge Pro, 1365 for the Tecnica. F1 XT flexes considerably softer in direct comparison...
I haven't forgot it, just very different class because it walks so poorly. Don't get me wrong, I own a pair and it's my inbounds boot and it's my favorite skiing boot of all time! actually it is very light for what it is too, 1500g I believe. The walk compared to these others tho is poor at best. Would I suffer through it for a volcano lap with a slow group though? Absolutely. It's a powerhouse. Mostly I think due to the cuff height and the thickness of the material. Instant power transmission. It's on my list of vids to make.
Happy to see innovation in this space but the fit is so different from the Skorpius I doubt anyone could be comfortable in both. At least now a lot more people have an option for a nice ~1250g boot with a tongue. The Ridge is notably shorter in length and higher volume throughout than the Skorpius.
Skorpius has a non starter instep for most. The way the tongue sucks in on the Dynafit will accommodate many more people and those who find it too voluminous in the forefoot can suck up vertical volume with boot board shims underneath-so I do see skorpius users being able to get a good or better fit in it. Because the tongue adjusts volume both up down and fore aft it's not accurate to say it has more or less volume than the skorpius- because it actually does adjust volume in the most critical space-the ankle and shin. I also think it's stiffer. The carbon grilamid is stiffer than the pebax laspo uses. In any case, whatever fits best will work best for the end user.
Definitely a bit concerned about the BOA, I have a pair of Alien RS's that I've replaced the BOA on a couple times, and while it is really nice that the cables inside the boot really nicely suck the shell down onto the liner/foot, it's a giant pain to rethread the cable through some of the internal eyelets
I also noticed that it just requires more faffing overall. With a buckle you know exactly how much tension it's going to provide, but the boa redistributes pressure as you move or as tension is placed against it and so you end up messing with your boots way more.
Thanks for the video! I was hoping for your take on these boots. Curious if you feel that the tour wrap is limiting rom while waking? And how does it compare with the maestrale rs?
I don't mind the tour wrap but I generally accept some slight friction walking for ski performance. The rom isn't limited but you'll just feel some more friction throughout the rom. With stock liner the boot is pretty frictionless. I would say they are a comparable boot in terms of what they can do. While I would say the maestrale may be very subtly stiffer possibly and benefits from true booster strap, the ridge's floating tongue will likely give more people better fit and therefore may find them to ski just as good or better, and some may prefer the stance of the maestrale. They are both good but the ridge is lighter and I think walks slightly smoother due to shorter bsl, and will ski very close when fitted properly. In absolute terms, the maestrale will probably slightly outski fit factors aside but real world I would select entirely based off fit cause it's close enough. In other words, they feel like they are in the same class of boots to me.
@@thicccboyztv thanks!! I wonder if it is possible to adapt a real booster strap to the hoji lock, anyway looking forward for your updates on the boot!!
Wondering if you’ve got an opinion on this boot versus the Tigard for someone who does a lot of resort and sidecountry looking for a very comfortable boot. Skiing in the Hoji pro 130 currently and love it but time for a new boot…
I'd go Tigard, Roxa R3 130 TI or Scarpa quattro or atomic hawx. Comfort is based on fit and these all have pretty different fits. They also are all also more supportive and durable for resort riding. The ridge is a great lightweight walking boot. While it's absolute stiffness for it's weight is top notch, it's not the same as skiing some true beef like the above mentioned options. The extra height and mass of these other boots are a lot more suited to higher speed choppier skiing.
I never got along with that boot and found it's flex to be ridiculously soft (scarpa calls it a 95-less than F1 lt and xt) and found it's forward lean to be extreme, 20-22 degrees, almost double a F1 lt. And a solid 7 degrees higher than most boots on the market. So for what it is, it's heavy, soft, and it's stance doesn't work for most people. The people who think it skis well simply think so because the stance works for them and the added weight helps. The ridge is a way different category of stiffness, comparable to a scarpa stated 120-125 flex, so basically 30 points more than the F1, is much more upright, I think around 12 degrees vs 20-22. Ridge has much better ankle lockdown for most people. And it basically weighs the same. Lighter boots than the F1 were stiffer and very quickly it was an obsolete boot unless you were one of the few who enjoyed its extreme forward lean and soft flex.
@@mikehamilton4325 My guess is they just changed the throw ratio of the cable. From memory, everything else looks the same. I couldn't get the boot to work for my feet so I no longer have on hand.
They are true but that fit is based on a thin liner. So while I would order your normal size, if you are a tweener and usually go down and get a lot of boot work I wouldn't do that. It's a shorter bsl and lower volume than rad pro. The cuff feels similar height to quattro, ie not tall, but manageable. Of note the tongue for the sz 27 is shared by the 28 whereas the 26 uses the 25 tongue. So certain sizes benefit by having the next size up tongue as far as cuff height goes.
How does the front buckle hold up on your boot, particularly the plastic spring mechanism that locks the buckle in place? On both of my boots, the plastic spring is getting worn down by the buckle.
@@Matthias-gd9is I decided that the boot wasn't for me given the amount of much more powerful boots that are within 200g for the types of skis I like so I am unsure of its long term durability.
@@NB-ski quattro pro. I find that it essentially walks as well with the buckles undone, so really the only advantage to the ridge is that it transitions faster, but I also find that the ridge tends to fit differently based just off of how much the tongue gets sucked in which with the boa makes it hard to get the same fit every time, whereas traditional buckles I know what fit I'm going to get every time. Not to mention that the Quattro pro is significantly stiffer. If I was going to be skiing skis that were chin to forehead level and around 100 underfoot and mostly focused on covering distance It's a great Boot. But I like skiing, overhead fat skis and as I did not grow up skiing, I prefer more support.
@@Ken-rw8os ridge is considerably lower volume throughout. Width maybe equalish in the forefoot but more tapered throughout the mid-foot and heel and less volume vertically as well.
Mine weigh like 1150g without liners. I think the weight is pretty comparable to the zero g. My memory though was that the zero g was not as stiff as this
@@gnarshar 180-200 degrees in an oven for a few minutes. You'll feel them become soft and floppier. Then throw them in the boot and put a foot in. I don't buckle hard and I don't worry too much about heel elevation unless I'm trying to do something very specific. Put extra foam or objects where you want to create more space. Put less pressure and allow the foam to expand maximally in areas where you want the foam to take up volume (less buckles, toe elevation to pull heel back and hopefully get foam to expand over ankle)
@gnarshar yes love them. Powerful boot that actually feels supportive. Not a huge step up from the Quattro XT but they fixed a lot of warranty related stuff and made the upper cuff a tad stouter. It's actually problematic because now it's too easy to overpower my BMT 109s so gonna have to stick to katana or VW mantra. New inbounds corvus curious as well.
It's good, next year it will be more katana esque. The current version was a little soft, talking to Marshall about it sounds like he is gonna make it stiffer next year for more chargability. The shape is excellent though. If you watch my video "we almost had no winter" I was skiing the 113s.
Really interesting perspective from someone who isn't 150lbs wet through. These feel like an interesting lightweight/mission option for all the 200lbs+ backcountry skiers out there. Will try to get in a pair before winter is out.
@@thomaschilcott yeah I think that it is a good option for missions where the emphasis is not on skiing for people 200+ with the caveat that it must fit you well.
I really appreciate your perspective on these boots. I have the dynafit radicals and while I think they are as much boot as I want to ski, they walk only so so. I have been eyeing these up. If you are taking requests, I would be super interested in a longer vid about liners. I tried on a salomon mtn lab boot a while back and I only then finally understood what people mean when they say a liner is bad. Since you seem to have a lot of experience with intuition liners, I would love to get some insight on where you think they excel, why you might choose the wrap over a tongue style liner, etc. If not, no worries. I'll be a fan either way. Thanks!
Intuition has the highest density longest lasting foam. Zipfits last longer but they are made of cork and leather and neoprene and personally make my feet too sweaty for touring, though they ski excellent. Intuitions are a good middle ground offering better moisture management, more durability and more skiability than stock, without going full custom injection or zipfits. Tongue or wrap really comes down to boot fit. Tongue will always walk better, and if fitted well to the boot, will ski just fine. Wrap offers more stiffness and is a better choice if you have thinner lower legs and feel like you need to take up some space around the shin and ankle to have better power transmission. Wrap also affects stance, meaning you generally get direct contact to the cuff in a more upright position because of more foam in front of your shin. You can push though it so I wouldn't necessarily say it affects forward lean, but it definitely is a more responsive feel and enables you to get to the cuff sooner. They also fit in the boots differentlt. Very low volume boots around the ankle may not accommodate a wrap, but can fit a low volume tongue.
@@thicccboyztv Amazing detail, thank you so much!!
Weight wise and in terms of carpet flexing the direct comparison is the new Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro. Weight's 10grams less per boot in the same size. 1375g for the Ridge Pro, 1365 for the Tecnica.
F1 XT flexes considerably softer in direct comparison...
glad to see that bench is osha certified
That certification was costly
It seems like a great boot. To bad my shop doesn’t sell them, and they probably won’t fit me 😢
You’re forgetting Roxa R3 130Ti. Absolutely bomber boot. Not super up to snuff on ultra light but man the Roxa is an extremely solid boot.
I haven't forgot it, just very different class because it walks so poorly. Don't get me wrong, I own a pair and it's my inbounds boot and it's my favorite skiing boot of all time! actually it is very light for what it is too, 1500g I believe. The walk compared to these others tho is poor at best. Would I suffer through it for a volcano lap with a slow group though? Absolutely. It's a powerhouse. Mostly I think due to the cuff height and the thickness of the material. Instant power transmission. It's on my list of vids to make.
Happy to see innovation in this space but the fit is so different from the Skorpius I doubt anyone could be comfortable in both. At least now a lot more people have an option for a nice ~1250g boot with a tongue. The Ridge is notably shorter in length and higher volume throughout than the Skorpius.
Skorpius has a non starter instep for most. The way the tongue sucks in on the Dynafit will accommodate many more people and those who find it too voluminous in the forefoot can suck up vertical volume with boot board shims underneath-so I do see skorpius users being able to get a good or better fit in it. Because the tongue adjusts volume both up down and fore aft it's not accurate to say it has more or less volume than the skorpius- because it actually does adjust volume in the most critical space-the ankle and shin. I also think it's stiffer. The carbon grilamid is stiffer than the pebax laspo uses. In any case, whatever fits best will work best for the end user.
I would love to see a review of the c113. Especially compared to the katana. 🙏
Definitely a bit concerned about the BOA, I have a pair of Alien RS's that I've replaced the BOA on a couple times, and while it is really nice that the cables inside the boot really nicely suck the shell down onto the liner/foot, it's a giant pain to rethread the cable through some of the internal eyelets
I also noticed that it just requires more faffing overall. With a buckle you know exactly how much tension it's going to provide, but the boa redistributes pressure as you move or as tension is placed against it and so you end up messing with your boots way more.
Thanks for the video! I was hoping for your take on these boots. Curious if you feel that the tour wrap is limiting rom while waking? And how does it compare with the maestrale rs?
I don't mind the tour wrap but I generally accept some slight friction walking for ski performance. The rom isn't limited but you'll just feel some more friction throughout the rom. With stock liner the boot is pretty frictionless. I would say they are a comparable boot in terms of what they can do. While I would say the maestrale may be very subtly stiffer possibly and benefits from true booster strap, the ridge's floating tongue will likely give more people better fit and therefore may find them to ski just as good or better, and some may prefer the stance of the maestrale. They are both good but the ridge is lighter and I think walks slightly smoother due to shorter bsl, and will ski very close when fitted properly. In absolute terms, the maestrale will probably slightly outski fit factors aside but real world I would select entirely based off fit cause it's close enough. In other words, they feel like they are in the same class of boots to me.
@@thicccboyztv thanks!! I wonder if it is possible to adapt a real booster strap to the hoji lock, anyway looking forward for your updates on the boot!!
Wondering if you’ve got an opinion on this boot versus the Tigard for someone who does a lot of resort and sidecountry looking for a very comfortable boot. Skiing in the Hoji pro 130 currently and love it but time for a new boot…
I'd go Tigard, Roxa R3 130 TI or Scarpa quattro or atomic hawx. Comfort is based on fit and these all have pretty different fits. They also are all also more supportive and durable for resort riding. The ridge is a great lightweight walking boot. While it's absolute stiffness for it's weight is top notch, it's not the same as skiing some true beef like the above mentioned options. The extra height and mass of these other boots are a lot more suited to higher speed choppier skiing.
How does it compare to the current classic version of the F1?
I never got along with that boot and found it's flex to be ridiculously soft (scarpa calls it a 95-less than F1 lt and xt) and found it's forward lean to be extreme, 20-22 degrees, almost double a F1 lt. And a solid 7 degrees higher than most boots on the market. So for what it is, it's heavy, soft, and it's stance doesn't work for most people. The people who think it skis well simply think so because the stance works for them and the added weight helps. The ridge is a way different category of stiffness, comparable to a scarpa stated 120-125 flex, so basically 30 points more than the F1, is much more upright, I think around 12 degrees vs 20-22. Ridge has much better ankle lockdown for most people. And it basically weighs the same. Lighter boots than the F1 were stiffer and very quickly it was an obsolete boot unless you were one of the few who enjoyed its extreme forward lean and soft flex.
Any idea on what the technical change was between the "old" Hoji lock system and this new one that allows it to open more?
@@mikehamilton4325 My guess is they just changed the throw ratio of the cable. From memory, everything else looks the same. I couldn't get the boot to work for my feet so I no longer have on hand.
Proper cuff height? How is it compared to the Quattro?
How are they in regards to mondo size, true to size or short?
They are true but that fit is based on a thin liner. So while I would order your normal size, if you are a tweener and usually go down and get a lot of boot work I wouldn't do that. It's a shorter bsl and lower volume than rad pro. The cuff feels similar height to quattro, ie not tall, but manageable. Of note the tongue for the sz 27 is shared by the 28 whereas the 26 uses the 25 tongue. So certain sizes benefit by having the next size up tongue as far as cuff height goes.
Thanks! Looking forward to hearing long term longevity. @@thicccboyztv
How does the front buckle hold up on your boot, particularly the plastic spring mechanism that locks the buckle in place? On both of my boots, the plastic spring is getting worn down by the buckle.
@@Matthias-gd9is I decided that the boot wasn't for me given the amount of much more powerful boots that are within 200g for the types of skis I like so I am unsure of its long term durability.
@@thicccboyztv why did you decide the boot was not for you? What did you go for instead?
@@NB-ski quattro pro. I find that it essentially walks as well with the buckles undone, so really the only advantage to the ridge is that it transitions faster, but I also find that the ridge tends to fit differently based just off of how much the tongue gets sucked in which with the boa makes it hard to get the same fit every time, whereas traditional buckles I know what fit I'm going to get every time. Not to mention that the Quattro pro is significantly stiffer. If I was going to be skiing skis that were chin to forehead level and around 100 underfoot and mostly focused on covering distance It's a great Boot. But I like skiing, overhead fat skis and as I did not grow up skiing, I prefer more support.
Heavier than the Salomon S/LAB MTN Summit but probably skies better?
Yes stiffer, but how it fits/stance is most important. They have very different fits
@@thicccboyztv How would you say their fits differ?
@@Ken-rw8os ridge is considerably lower volume throughout. Width maybe equalish in the forefoot but more tapered throughout the mid-foot and heel and less volume vertically as well.
Have you ski'd the zero g tour pro? A bit heavier but wonder how they ski compared to these
Mine weigh like 1150g without liners. I think the weight is pretty comparable to the zero g. My memory though was that the zero g was not as stiff as this
Hey Thicc, what’s your method for molding intuition at home?
@@gnarshar 180-200 degrees in an oven for a few minutes. You'll feel them become soft and floppier. Then throw them in the boot and put a foot in. I don't buckle hard and I don't worry too much about heel elevation unless I'm trying to do something very specific. Put extra foam or objects where you want to create more space. Put less pressure and allow the foam to expand maximally in areas where you want the foam to take up volume (less buckles, toe elevation to pull heel back and hopefully get foam to expand over ankle)
@@gnarshar a sauna works too if it is closer to 200 degrees. Needs a little more time tho
@@thicccboyztv awesome thank you! New quattro pro working well for you?
@gnarshar yes love them. Powerful boot that actually feels supportive. Not a huge step up from the Quattro XT but they fixed a lot of warranty related stuff and made the upper cuff a tad stouter. It's actually problematic because now it's too easy to overpower my BMT 109s so gonna have to stick to katana or VW mantra. New inbounds corvus curious as well.
@ good to hear! New corvus has definitely got my eye as well
I would love to see a review of the c113. Especially compared to the katana. 🙏
It's good, next year it will be more katana esque. The current version was a little soft, talking to Marshall about it sounds like he is gonna make it stiffer next year for more chargability. The shape is excellent though. If you watch my video "we almost had no winter" I was skiing the 113s.