Heterothele villosella, Tanzanian chestnut baboon pairing

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  • Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024

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  • @shelleoshelle7252
    @shelleoshelle7252 11 месяцев назад +8

    Poor little guy. He died fulfilling his purpose. Thank you Dave and Camera Lady for showing us the real life of spider keeping.

  • @melaniezagata4402
    @melaniezagata4402 11 месяцев назад +5

    I always hit the like button , I don't understand why people watch your video, enjoy it and not give you a thumbs up!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад

      You're the best!❤️❤️❤️

    • @heleninglis9961
      @heleninglis9961 11 месяцев назад +1

      I never understand why people don't either. It's the 1st thing i do when the video starts! Always know it's gonna be a great video if it's coming from the Beastie Room.

  • @reneespencer8710
    @reneespencer8710 11 месяцев назад +2

    Yes love the pairing videos. Very fascinating, poor little guy hopefully he did his job and you get babies. Can’t wait for update next month some time

  • @MsMama59
    @MsMama59 11 месяцев назад +4

    Wow; she was seriously fast! The poor guy didn't stand a chance. Thanks for sharing!

  • @gcrauwels941
    @gcrauwels941 11 месяцев назад +3

    'He died doing what he loved'.
    Hope it was a successful pairing.

  • @pepperlee2313
    @pepperlee2313 11 месяцев назад +3

    Hopefully he will have mini-mes and he will live on. Thanks for the video Dave.

  • @jamesd4013
    @jamesd4013 11 месяцев назад +5

    Cue "Meatloaf" "I would do anything for love..."

    • @lcgiv4u
      @lcgiv4u 11 месяцев назад +2

      But I won’t be a snack… but I wont be… 💀

  • @spiderrico250
    @spiderrico250 11 месяцев назад +3

    My H villosella was my 4th spider and she's my absolute favorite. I'm up to 20 now and all things considered she's still at the top of my list!!!

  • @7gdog
    @7gdog 11 месяцев назад +4

    Just like to be present here every video you make sir Dave 👍👍👍

  • @bridgethoskins9809
    @bridgethoskins9809 11 месяцев назад +4

    Another awesome informative video from the spider whisper. Thank you for all you do. Lots of respect from Cincinnati Ohio USA

  • @RixiV11
    @RixiV11 11 месяцев назад +1

    Morning Dave! Just get up😂 stunning video, Brave Male ,i hope will be lots of kids around

  • @corlyscrawlies
    @corlyscrawlies 11 месяцев назад +4

    Nature is fascinating, It looked like he got her hooked and she started to look like she was in a sort of trance for a moment as she relaxed.. maybe she ate him because she knew he was successful and natural instinct was to eat him for nutrients now to produce a healthy sac! interesting stuff 👍 great content as always fella, really enjoyed this one

  • @archetype9018
    @archetype9018 11 месяцев назад +6

    People want to know the truth but sometimes cannot handle the truth.😉 Keeping things true as always and that's why i like this channel so much.

  • @marquesjacobs1824
    @marquesjacobs1824 11 месяцев назад +1

    Bully shake 😂 I love that term. As an American, i adore your accent and and figures of speech. RIP to a real soldier

  • @katherinekoza6536
    @katherinekoza6536 11 месяцев назад +3

    What a sad end to the poor little guy . Terrific video Dave .

    • @elainebines6803
      @elainebines6803 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes but don't forget he passed doing his favourite activity imo and hopefully he lives on through his babies. I'm sure she'll drop an egg sac 😊

  • @gloriajackson2021
    @gloriajackson2021 11 месяцев назад

    Oh dear...poor little guy. Great video Dave! And your woman of course!

  • @moparsrule862
    @moparsrule862 11 месяцев назад +2

    Life still has surprises, just when you think you've seen it all, BANG, a spider snuff movie, even the fluffy and cute aren't safe, poor little fella, at least he went out with a grin on his face and a gleam in his eyes after reaching paradise for a split second

  • @graemewright2046
    @graemewright2046 11 месяцев назад +3

    very interesting PROFF with these spiders with the vibration on the legs. hopefully he was successful in his endeavours. time will tell. some great footage CAMERA LADY. take care guys and many thanks

  • @DragonflyArtz1
    @DragonflyArtz1 11 месяцев назад +28

    He was way too far underneath her to even attempt to rescue him. A little unfair that the Female is so much larger, when it's the male that has to hold her up and reach so far underneath her. A bit of a design flaw if you ask me. I think we should talk to someone about that! Ha. Well...

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад +6

      😂👍

    • @GrubHuncher
      @GrubHuncher 11 месяцев назад +6

      I’ve tried to look it up before, but I never get any definitive answers. What makes the female spider so much larger than the male? Its quite the opposite with humans. Is it because most spiders are non-communal, and so the females have the tendency to deny males that they find too intimidating? Maybe its because a male that is too large will simply eat the female and prevent himself from reproducing?

    • @SithMami
      @SithMami 11 месяцев назад +2

      ​@GrubHuncher Those are good thoughts, and make a lot of sense!

    • @tagesvaterpatrick8780
      @tagesvaterpatrick8780 11 месяцев назад +2

      I believe the "design" to be perfect, although it seems unfair to some. By this way the genus is kept rather tight I think because one male is not mating too many females. maybe I'm wrong but this is what I make of this behaviour which is instinctive I think.

    • @DragonflyArtz1
      @DragonflyArtz1 11 месяцев назад +2

      @tagesvaterpatrick8780 Good point. But in some cases it has lead to a shortage of males.

  • @brooks5466
    @brooks5466 11 месяцев назад +2

    Dave and Mrs Camera Lady! 😁👋🏼☺️

  • @stubby8663
    @stubby8663 11 месяцев назад +2

    Dave it looked like at 15:14 that he made insertion and then at that exact moment she pounced on him. I've ran it frame by frame several times, and I believe he made it. R.I.P. little guy.... Thank you for the video Dave, enjoyed watching.

  • @MyosotisSylvatica1
    @MyosotisSylvatica1 11 месяцев назад +3

    I’m glad you show us all sides of the tarantula keeping. Great video!

  • @MOONOVERMIAMI
    @MOONOVERMIAMI 11 месяцев назад +3

    Hello great video sorry for your loss Dave

  • @Bella-5555
    @Bella-5555 11 месяцев назад +3

    Omg Dave, all males runaway from the females…except my man who has been around for 16 years 😂❤

  • @susannesamuelsson2930
    @susannesamuelsson2930 11 месяцев назад +2

    Nice video and nature seems cruel sometimes and I felt sad for the little guy! Thank you dear Dave and Sweet Camera Lady. I really hope this pairing will result in a good eggsack, have a nice week! 👋❤🕷👍

  • @susangrewe262
    @susangrewe262 11 месяцев назад +4

    Hello Dave and Camera Lady. I hope this finds you well. Thank you for the wonderful pairing video. It is sad when the male become lunch but I am sure he was aware of the possibility. Fingers crossed for a big healthy egg sac!🤞🏻🤞🏻Now we need a big fuzzy pairing!😁 I am so demanding, haha. Anyway, I hope y’all have a great week. Take care and stay safe.🧡❤️💛🤠🫶🏻😊

  • @michaelnancyamsden7410
    @michaelnancyamsden7410 11 месяцев назад

    Love to watch your pairings. Thanks, Dave, for the warning. Great work Canera Lady.

  • @nberry02
    @nberry02 11 месяцев назад +4

    Beautiful video Dave. Like Viking warriors regarding battle I like to think short lived male tarantulas would choose no other death beyond that after insemination.

  • @AuroraClair
    @AuroraClair 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for the warning. It's very considerate to think of the some of more sensitive viewers and give the option to skip that part

  • @UncleBurntApostrophe
    @UncleBurntApostrophe 11 месяцев назад +3

    Cool stuff, thanks for sharing! Presumably spiders are largely instinctually programmed, and reactionary, than thinking, but always makes me chuckle when you say: “….I wonder what they’re saying to one another?”😂👍

  • @SithMami
    @SithMami 11 месяцев назад +3

    Dave, I like what you said about them being polite, and taking turns to communicate. You're right! They don't really interrupt one another! You have such a keen insight into their behavior. I'd never have thought of that lol

  • @stevenA44
    @stevenA44 11 месяцев назад +3

    So sad that you lost the male. =( But that's a part of life for them. Hopefully you got a good pairing and can get some replacements for the poor little guy. Pretty tarantulas.

  • @Emily.0451
    @Emily.0451 11 месяцев назад +2

    Rest in peace little buddy. I hope he manages to be a dad in the end.

  • @FullerFelts
    @FullerFelts 11 месяцев назад +2

    It was so cool seeing you at the invert show yesterday! My son loved meeting you :) we watch your videos every day. He was so star struck 😊.

  • @mhomho1979
    @mhomho1979 11 месяцев назад +1

    Yeh baby my favorite, a pairing video. Apart from the end of course. Thanks for sharing guys 👍

  • @mickydale8594
    @mickydale8594 11 месяцев назад +3

    Lol poor male lol i feel he felt suspicious from the first run he did hahahaa he knew something was afoot..🤣👏

  • @mikepetersen7319
    @mikepetersen7319 11 месяцев назад +2

    Aww! Poor Guy😢but it seems He knew His danger, He was quite nervous. Let's hope He was able to complete His mission🤞nonetheless they're very pretty little things.

  • @axelhinze3844
    @axelhinze3844 11 месяцев назад +4

    algorythm appreciation comment

  • @mcdazzio73
    @mcdazzio73 11 месяцев назад +2

    Morning Dave & Camera lady wot an amazing pairing vidoe its a shame the male did not survive

  • @raygay3375
    @raygay3375 6 месяцев назад +1

    Another interesting and informative video. ❤ Thanks Dave and Camera Lady. 🎥🕸️🕷️

  • @roseford2212
    @roseford2212 11 месяцев назад +2

    You said in the beginning of the video that they were erratic - and she proved you right!

  • @petercrispin2129
    @petercrispin2129 11 месяцев назад +4

    Is it just me, or was she backing up into her home constantly and was she trying to get over him on the more than the odd occasion? It looked as though she were always going to get him. I don't keep arachnids, I only watch this channel for arachnid keeping, so I have no idea, just an outsiders opinion. Keep caring and making it safe, God bless, hooroo from Down Under.

  • @elizabethdurocher8308
    @elizabethdurocher8308 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hopefully he did his job. Love to see lots of babies.💙

  • @carolgwilt1885
    @carolgwilt1885 11 месяцев назад +1

    EVEN THOUGH THE MALE WAS KILLED. IT IS ALL PART OF THE WAY SPIDERS LIVE AND DIE. IT IS PART OF THEIR NATURE. THEY ARE QUITE AMAZING INSPITE OF THE OUT COME. THANK YOU DAVE FOR SHARING THESE WONDERFUL CREATURES WITH US. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE TIME YOU TAKE ANDTHE WORK YOU DO, CAMERA LADY TOO!!!

  • @kennysweeney7073
    @kennysweeney7073 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video guys thank you so much xxxx

  • @ThePollaton
    @ThePollaton 11 месяцев назад +5

    Natures cruel 😢 interesting though thanks for leaving it on. ❤

  • @DebSpoodered
    @DebSpoodered 11 месяцев назад +1

    Sad end, but great video as always.
    Thank you for the trigger warning x

  • @mariestubbs4606
    @mariestubbs4606 11 месяцев назад +2

    Just hope the lil fella was successful Dave great camera work Camera Lady .

  • @michellegay1165
    @michellegay1165 11 месяцев назад +2

    I think the entire time she was saying "I'm gonna eat you as soon as we're done"! But he was too horny so kept going after her. That's why he was shaky and kept leaving. Love the video thank you guys💙💙💙💙

  • @26hurban
    @26hurban 11 месяцев назад +2

    RIP little buddy

  • @heleninglis9961
    @heleninglis9961 11 месяцев назад +1

    Not that it bothers me, it's the way the Tarantula world works after all, but props to you for alerting people when she was about to turn into a black widow! Perhaps next time give people a time to skip to, once the bad part is over. Fantastic video once again. 🤞🤞🤞 for a healthy sac.

  • @numerian4516
    @numerian4516 11 месяцев назад +2

    Do the females do that as an instinctual “get him before he gets me” kind of thing? So good to wake up to you n Ms Camera Lady, you start my day off on with a smile, thanks.

  • @pauljones8054
    @pauljones8054 11 месяцев назад +2

    Aww Dave she was on him poor fella hadn't a chance

  • @nikkianderson6595
    @nikkianderson6595 11 месяцев назад +3

    The legs get moving so fast that it looks like a piano string vibrating.

  • @Aethelwolf
    @Aethelwolf 11 месяцев назад +1

    I like the new beastie room

  • @julierobertson148
    @julierobertson148 11 месяцев назад +2

    They are beautiful little things. I was impressed by how being calm was so important in this video: letting the male hang onto the edge of the enclosure, knowing his behavior meant he wasn't going anywhere; realizing nothing should/could be done once she nailed him. Experience and patience mean SO much in this hobby. (Am I correct in thinking the survival advantage in her eating him has to do with the the nutrition required to produce offspring?)

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад +2

      Its a thought thats been around along time but theres no evidence to show it benefits a healthy sac in captivity becouse we provide ample food for our spiders but in the wild it may make a difference 👍

  • @Bella-5555
    @Bella-5555 11 месяцев назад +4

    Dave just wondering, where are you going to put your neon beastie sign?? Perhaps above the blind? Let us know 😊

  • @KingBaboonTarantula
    @KingBaboonTarantula 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have been wanting one of these little beauties for a very long time, hopefully I'll get one soon enough.❤❤

  • @Frafra766
    @Frafra766 11 месяцев назад +2

    Love your videos! Hopefully the little guy managed with his job and you get a nice egg sac!

  • @apertureattic8859
    @apertureattic8859 11 месяцев назад +2

    Same thing happened when I paired my Nhandu chromatus. It happened quick as lightning and nothing we could have done about it.
    Hopefully the little villosella got the deed done and it wasn't in vain.

  • @Nefville
    @Nefville 11 месяцев назад +4

    Well hopefully he did the job and she'll be nice and full for her eggs. Nature's a cruel mistress sometimes but that's the way it goes.

  • @tammiepelosi4483
    @tammiepelosi4483 11 месяцев назад +1

    Feisty little Spooder!!!! 🕷🕷❤❤🕷🕷

  • @Hochdorff
    @Hochdorff 11 месяцев назад +1

    Also...proper lights now! Good to see that things are going in the right direction.

  • @gailwanhala6275
    @gailwanhala6275 11 месяцев назад +3

    I am sorry you lost your male, but it was very quick, don't see any way you could have stopped her , thanks that was very interesting ! fingers crossed she will give you babies !

  • @AmberOConnor-c2w
    @AmberOConnor-c2w 11 месяцев назад +1

    She's a beauty and frisky 😊

  • @mikewaterfield3599
    @mikewaterfield3599 11 месяцев назад +1

    Pretty little guys.

  • @recegg8665
    @recegg8665 11 месяцев назад +1

    GrEaT ViDeO & nice COMMENTS from U Mr. Beasties

  • @joannegalway1226
    @joannegalway1226 11 месяцев назад +1

    Hi Dave and Camera Lady 💙💕🕷️Hope you’re both doing well, and that you had a great weekend.
    I love a good pairing video!
    These wee dwarf baboons are beautiful, the colours are perfect, especially the carapace. They have quite large spinnerets, great for webbing up the place.
    The wee male was the cutest little guy, wasn’t he? Just sorry he didn’t make it out safely, BUT, you didn’t have a chance to save him. It was over in a blink of an eye. Plus, the female was giving no indication she would have her fun and eat it too… here’s hoping that the pairing was a successful one 🤞🤞
    Thank you both very much for sharing… and great job Camera Lady.
    Take care both, have a fantastic week. 💙💕🕷️🥰😘xxxx

  • @mariarnliasi2513
    @mariarnliasi2513 11 месяцев назад +1

    That is the nature 😅 🕷🕷😉

  • @pattijareo7423
    @pattijareo7423 11 месяцев назад +2

    She certainly changed her mind in an instant! They are pretty little things, down to the golden fringe around the carapace. Fingers crossed, Dave and Camera Lady, that all was successful. In a clutch, what percentage are actually male?? Probably depends on a thousand different things, knowing nature! Have a grand day and thanks for the video! This arachnophobe is always anxious for the next. 🎃🕸🕷🕸🎃

  • @georgecardiff1946
    @georgecardiff1946 11 месяцев назад +1

    Brilliant video Dave as always, and super footage aswell Dave, it looked like a very good pairing, pity about the male Dave however it is natural in the world 🌎 of spiders 🕷, anyway Dave another fantastic job by yourself and camera 📷 lady Dave.

  • @annefalbowski2672
    @annefalbowski2672 11 месяцев назад +2

    Just picked up what is likely a juvenile female gabonensis yesterday - no plans on doing any breeding in the near future but still interesting to see how they go about it. Maybe in a few years I'll feel ready.

  • @deewhitcha6014
    @deewhitcha6014 11 месяцев назад +3

    poor little buggar

  • @Inn3rWarri0r
    @Inn3rWarri0r 11 месяцев назад +1

    The most unexpected end to a pairing I’ve had was when I paired my O sp Uthai Thani; he basically wrapped his front four legs around the female, got the insert and suplexed her off the cork bark they were on 😂 she looked a little stunned and shocked with the outcome!

  • @Jeremiah_Johnson139
    @Jeremiah_Johnson139 11 месяцев назад +1

    I would assume that a 97% male survival rate is quite good, Dave!
    It's too bad, the little guy didn't make it. I was just thinking that it had been quite a long time since the last male had been "chomped" on the channel.
    I wonder if the females know from the outset if they're more interested in a meal, than pairing, or if it's something that happens during pairing, that the female is unhappy with?
    Once she's decided on making him a meal, I wonder if she purposefully waits until he's exhausted and has to rest, when she decides to pounce?

  • @robertabray-enhus3198
    @robertabray-enhus3198 11 месяцев назад +2

    Great video as always. Sorry to hear she chomped him.
    I have a couple of dumb questions,
    wouldn’t it help save the male,if she was fed before mating?
    Then she wouldn’t be so interested in eating him afterwards? And why do they eat the males? Excitement of the whole act? I’m just curious and don’t know a lot about tarantulas. Love this channel though!!!

    • @elainebines6803
      @elainebines6803 11 месяцев назад +2

      Dave no doubt will answer but I'm in a chatty mood this morning. If you watch Dave's little beastie channel on a regular basis - you will know Dave has his spiders/tarantulas, in tip top condition before mating and that also means, well feed 👍

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад

      ❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад

      Yes they are fed before hand and also the months leading unto pairing to get them into condition. 👍

  • @A.Steeeve
    @A.Steeeve 11 месяцев назад +2

    He seemed a bit like lacking confidence from the very beginning, maybe even spiders can feel that and the female could have thought that if she can't have a propper party, at least to have a propper meal 😂🤦🤣 sorry for the loss guys!
    Hopefully he left behind some gazillions of coming slings. 🙏

  • @Spiderdan-59
    @Spiderdan-59 11 месяцев назад +1

    You know what dave, first time ive seen that happen, 🖤💯 as when I had mine i never tried to pair any of my females 🖤

  • @TammyJlee
    @TammyJlee 11 месяцев назад +2

    Does she actually eat him? Do you need to remove the the remains fro ner enclosure

  • @MitchellDavis-zu8vu
    @MitchellDavis-zu8vu 11 месяцев назад +2

    Hi dave and hi camera lady how are you guys doing today

  • @Bella-5555
    @Bella-5555 11 месяцев назад

    Great footage Dave, poor male 😢

  • @mikewilliams736
    @mikewilliams736 11 месяцев назад +2

    Trick or treat, smell my feet, give me something good to eat...
    Happy Halloween!

  •  11 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting video beautiful little spiders. A very fast female leading to a very sad conclusion. I will look forward to follow ups to see if the male managed to achieve insemination.
    Yet again an incredible video to watch.

  • @emmaknoop7442
    @emmaknoop7442 11 месяцев назад +2

    A fantastic video as always
    Yes, nature is sad & yes, cruel at times, however, it is what it is.......
    I know you do your best to save the males, but there really was absolutely no chance with this one - that was a super fast take down
    I hope his efforts & life sacrifice wasn't in vain & he got to enjoy a 'nookie' & a successful insemination before his ending

  • @dianehookham
    @dianehookham 11 месяцев назад +2

    Aww so sad, im sorry Dave, he was cute. Please can you tell me, why does that happen, female eating the male?

  • @V-skeptic
    @V-skeptic 11 месяцев назад +1

    Back on track. too bad for the lad, but hey, it happens.

  • @joegrossman5073
    @joegrossman5073 11 месяцев назад

    Yes a pairing in new room and 1st lol

  • @Hayley0412
    @Hayley0412 11 месяцев назад +2

    Agh bless him, I think you will get an egg sac be looked as though he did the deed, he was so far under her it was risky business! The only time I got upset was perhaps the wolf spider???? He went into her enclosure he literally jumped on her and killed her, I had never seen anything, like that before! I do know that you do everything you can to rescue the males!
    Although this video was sad I always get excited for the egg sac. Do spiders have the same gestation? Or do different species have different gestations?

    • @johanneabelsen1644
      @johanneabelsen1644 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, I also remember that incident, where the male killed the female! A person wrote in the comments section:" Maybe he just WAS an arcachno-cidal maniac!"😂😂😂🎉

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад

      They all vary 👍

  • @michaeltaylor2449
    @michaeltaylor2449 11 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting video shame the male didnt make it but fingers crossed all goes well with getting a sac these are one of my fave dwarf species really easy going species

  • @sarahjames2991
    @sarahjames2991 11 месяцев назад

    Omg I can't believe I'm up for this 6am 😂😂😂😂 Got covid-19 🥵🥶 which is why I'm up at such a ridiculous time As always great work camera lady 👍

    • @susangrewe262
      @susangrewe262 11 месяцев назад +1

      Hope you feel better soon😊

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  11 месяцев назад +1

      Get better soon my friend ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  • @thecatsmeow9972
    @thecatsmeow9972 11 месяцев назад +2

    Why do they go so quickly but a cockroach doesn’t ? Does the venom effect them differently

  • @discospiders
    @discospiders 11 месяцев назад +1

    Do you think it helps get things moving if you simulate tapping?

  • @James-bristol
    @James-bristol 11 месяцев назад +1

    I had a male now passed but lovely to care for

  • @migueltonnies6856
    @migueltonnies6856 11 месяцев назад +2

    It looks like he was aware of the entailed risk. The danger of women😅

  • @Sarge80
    @Sarge80 11 месяцев назад

    Hey Dave, the way her behaviour changed in an instant, usually means a succesfull pairing, question is did he get the job done like you said, but that behaviour change is usually a good sign.

  • @pixie706
    @pixie706 11 месяцев назад +3

    He maybe had doubts and was a bit hesitant and she would have preferred a more macho type 😌

  • @Indiskret1
    @Indiskret1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Does it help to feed the female extras beforehand so she's not as hungry, or doesn't that matter at all for her wish to devour the male?

  • @Legendarysuperninja
    @Legendarysuperninja 11 месяцев назад +1

    You should make a instagram so I can repost your vidz

  • @brendangallagher1186
    @brendangallagher1186 11 месяцев назад +2

    Sad life of a male tarantula.!🙏🙏R.I.P. handsome little man.🙏👊🏼nothing ventured...nothing gained.!!.Brendan.!

    • @johanneabelsen1644
      @johanneabelsen1644 11 месяцев назад +2

      Well, I am pretty sure, he accomplished his mission. 😊

  • @CeciliaPW
    @CeciliaPW 2 месяца назад +1

    hi Mr David, i am trying to look for the size of a Heterothele villosella chestnut babies, i watch your videos, but could not find about the sac or babies, like how many are born, is it true they are as small as jumping spider babies?

    • @daveslittlebeasties
      @daveslittlebeasties  2 месяца назад +2

      They are quit small around 0.5 cm but grow quickly should get around 50-100 slings