2022 Norco Range

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  • Опубликовано: 10 дек 2024

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  • @workhorsemtb7075
    @workhorsemtb7075 3 года назад +122

    That is an exciting bike. POV is not dead. Love watching you ride those trails

    • @liamdillon5343
      @liamdillon5343 3 года назад +30

      Who ever said POV was dead?

    • @slick-riq
      @slick-riq 3 года назад

      I’d suggest mixing it up though with an Insta360 on a pole backpack. Let’s you get some interesting angles.

  • @gettin-sendy
    @gettin-sendy 3 года назад +16

    . < 100% GET ONE > .
    That was a pleasure to not only watch, but being a quiet enough bike to hear the sweet sound of the tyres traversing the dirt was cool.

  • @craigjensen7142
    @craigjensen7142 3 года назад +11

    in my limited time on one of these, I was blown away by how planted it was at speed, and seemed to push you to go faster. Definitely a big bike (and I'm 6'5") but like you said, easy to throw around in the air, and surprisingly poppy. Great bike, and it pushed me to go faster and faster. The bike was never a limiting factor, it was me squeezing the brakes too much.

  • @ANTheWhizkid
    @ANTheWhizkid 3 года назад +16

    When you´ve followed Buchanan along his testing for a bit, you know the Range is what you want - Well it´s what I would want hehe - In my eyes this is the most innovative bike in 21 yet.

    • @maffin2917
      @maffin2917 3 года назад +6

      I was about to pre-order one. But then I saw a Picture of the Rocker underneath the BB on Lewis' Range. He already scratched the plasic bumper and the Carbon chainsay on a Rock in Fort Williams.
      I belive this is Bike ist outstanding but I dont want to Ride with the fear of hitting Rocks with my Carbon frame all the time

  • @oliverbourne9599
    @oliverbourne9599 3 года назад +6

    Having watched so many of Nick's vids from the outset .... this is Nick literally throwing a party about a bike. I'd love a go on one. Sort of monster I always choose. Would love to see how this compares to other big rigs I've had. Awesome vid as usual

  • @godzillaxred
    @godzillaxred 3 года назад +1

    I have the 2020 Norco Range A2, and when I saw this video I instantly fell in love. My bike is still amazing but this is just on another level.

  • @MarvinCalderonSKT
    @MarvinCalderonSKT 3 года назад +4

    Extremely exciting design by Norco. The ride seemed like a lot of fun, I do those trails every week. Makes me proud of having a 2020 Norco Range model.

    • @alexisonbike3652
      @alexisonbike3652 3 года назад

      Same ! I just hope they end up making an alloy version. Altough, I think high pivot is not possible with alloy

    • @DenudationCS
      @DenudationCS 3 года назад

      2015 norco range C 7.3 such a fun bike, if i end up getting a new one i will try a range again

  • @JakeMorrison
    @JakeMorrison 3 года назад +8

    Waiting for my build to be finished, same frame color, different customization component. Stoked 🤙

    • @giuseppemonastero4276
      @giuseppemonastero4276 3 года назад

      You can do that? I’d want this frame colour in the frame only kit.

    • @JakeMorrison
      @JakeMorrison 3 года назад

      @@giuseppemonastero4276 I just bought the whole bike, and payed extra to swap out the parts that should of been on there to begin with 😜

  • @JustinMayfield
    @JustinMayfield 3 года назад +14

    Dear lord I wish I had trails like this. Also, nice bike.

  • @nick_john
    @nick_john 3 года назад +27

    Dang Nic, you've got serious skinny confidence especially with a new bike.

  • @CarlDobler
    @CarlDobler 3 года назад +2

    Buy it! I liked the manual on the highway to the bunny hop over the large curb before Corkscrew. You make it look too easy.

  • @hobmarg
    @hobmarg 3 года назад +3

    Really interesting bike and good overview video. I do chuckle everytime I see a Seymour video/instagram that starts at the CBC lot and then magically cuts to jumping into Corkscrew ;)

  • @reillys7981
    @reillys7981 3 года назад +5

    I've been looking forward to this! Awesome video

  • @khayyamsabzali6140
    @khayyamsabzali6140 3 года назад +12

    This is the good stuff right here🤤

  • @dash0173
    @dash0173 3 года назад +2

    i feel like a huge part of a bike feeling nimble, regardless of the travel numbers, are geometry numbers. if the geo is "right", any bike should be playful in the air because that good geo gives you full control over the bike, not the other way around. i've ridden some huge bikes, like 200mm or more of travel but with old geo numbers and they feel dead, they eat up big bumps like nothing but man they're boring bikes. i've also ridden short travel bikes, namely the transition spur and it can do things i'd never even consider taking some downhill bikes on. its cool to see the bike industry evolving

  • @muma5372
    @muma5372 3 года назад +8

    Hey love the video, seems like you’re fully swayed to the side of 29ers, but I wanna see you check out a mullet bike like the transition patrol or Santa Cruz Bronson, I think you’d have a unique perspective on it sense you ride both wheel sizes already!

  • @Aveal
    @Aveal 3 года назад +5

    what a machine! Bought a sight last year and i love it but this beast is high up on my whish list! GET ONE!

    • @seanroberts381
      @seanroberts381 3 года назад +1

      Same. Love my 2020 sight. My interest would be comparing climbing ability.

    • @RobertGibb
      @RobertGibb 3 года назад +1

      Next year's sight will have similar linkage

  • @SmileyBoy84
    @SmileyBoy84 3 года назад +6

    Buy it.. Norco is the best🧡 and that bike suits you

  • @maclucas5659
    @maclucas5659 3 года назад +1

    Been waiting for someone who isn't a norco rider or a large organization, doing a review on this bike.

  • @greich7
    @greich7 3 года назад +7

    get it for the bike park but for local trails stick with the Wreckoning!! and that lower pivot just makes me cringe, I hit the chainring often enough and cant imagine that pivot hanging down another 20-30mm

    • @maffin2917
      @maffin2917 3 года назад +1

      Thats what holding me back from pre-ordering one

  • @TrailPOV
    @TrailPOV 3 года назад +2

    Nice choice!! The suspension design is top notch

  • @Table_Topper_Tony
    @Table_Topper_Tony 3 года назад +1

    You looked very comfortable on this norco as well as the knolly. Those two tend to fit you like a glove!

  • @Rawkus919
    @Rawkus919 3 года назад +1

    Your POV setup is the best going around. 🤘

  • @unionandfifthmtb8227
    @unionandfifthmtb8227 2 года назад +2

    I got one of these recently and I would have to agree with everything nick said. It is super planted through the rough stuff while still being playful and poppy.
    Great review!👍

  • @HermesConrad30
    @HermesConrad30 3 года назад +1

    Do it nic we need a norco on the channel

  • @th_js
    @th_js 3 года назад +1

    Love the tan-wall Schwalbes! Great vid.

  • @SwolePapi15
    @SwolePapi15 3 года назад +5

    Would love to see you ride something like a dreadnought and see how it compares to the range. Seems everyone whos tested the new range is loving it though, looks like a great bike

    • @trailreviews3628
      @trailreviews3628 3 года назад

      This has no brake jack, but the Forbiddens are known for having a good amount. I’d say this bike is definitely one of the fastest race bikes there is. It can be playful too if you want it to be, but built to go fast

    • @philn9205
      @philn9205 3 года назад

      @@trailreviews3628 brake jack? I ride a Dreadnought and have never experienced that.

    • @maffin2917
      @maffin2917 3 года назад +1

      @@philn9205 the biggest difference between the range and the Dreadnought, on paper, is the very high anti-rise value of the Dreadnought Suspension.
      I remember teh anti-rise Being around 130% witch means that the rear Suspension compresses when you usw your rear Brake.
      This is nice for steep trails since your Bike is Not moving you towards the Bars when you Brake in steep Terrain.
      The downside of such high anti-rise values is that your rear Suspension will Lock while braking.
      The range in comparsion hast a very active Suspension under rear braking.

    • @philn9205
      @philn9205 3 года назад

      @@maffin2917 yes, I believe 130% at 0mm wheel travel. I think 140% or higher would be considered "very high". A properly custom tune rear shock goes a long way. My Dreadnought has a custom EXT Storia Lok3 and for me, under braking, the rear seems to have the right balance of stable chassis position and optimal suspension sensitivity. I can't recall having the sensation of less grip in the rear. I've only been riding it for a month and a half and I can tell you now, my suspension has never "Locked" while braking. But I'll keep looking for the sensation of less active suspension under heavy braking.

  • @paulwintermute1495
    @paulwintermute1495 3 года назад +1

    Drool 🤤
    Having said that. This would make an awesome second bike. It's too focused to be your only option, but in combo with a Transition Spur... now you are talking!

  • @BloodSweatBeers
    @BloodSweatBeers 3 года назад +45

    How does it compare to the Specialized Enduro you had?

    • @barryparks2769
      @barryparks2769 3 года назад +2

      here for this and the evil

    • @scottmtb122
      @scottmtb122 3 года назад +1

      Was gonna ask same question? I love my enduro but like the look of this bike......think I need to try and get a demo🤔

  • @powdertramps
    @powdertramps 3 года назад +4

    I've been waiting on the Norco Sight C2 I ordered last November and have gotten nothing but a run around from the rep. I cant believe you were able to get your hands on one of the new Range. I would think it would be atleast 2023 before anyone but the sponsored pros could get one.

    • @bigcheese9020
      @bigcheese9020 3 года назад +1

      It’s not his bike it’s a demo from a shop

    • @CCWclassic
      @CCWclassic 3 года назад

      I've been waiting on a Sentinel since last September and have received the same run around. So frustrating

  • @fergthefreerider6333
    @fergthefreerider6333 3 года назад +4

    yes definitely if u can u should get one

  • @intotheoutside4299
    @intotheoutside4299 3 года назад +4

    NORCO RULES!!!

  • @nickcowley8757
    @nickcowley8757 3 года назад +1

    Just saw the last one go out the door at kinetic. Looked dope 👌

  • @cooperquinn8897
    @cooperquinn8897 3 года назад +1

    I’ve recently got a norco sight and they are sooo long and slack but they are definitely fun and enjoyable after a while

  • @juliusstrangmuller3850
    @juliusstrangmuller3850 3 года назад +1

    That‘s a really cool bike. I just saw, that propain is coming to North America maybe you can try their tyee. It‘s an awesome bike.

  • @davidblackman3127
    @davidblackman3127 3 года назад +5

    I'll bet there will be a high pivot Sight next year too

  • @matejblazek5172
    @matejblazek5172 4 месяца назад +1

    This is awesome. Thinking about to sell my Spindrift mx after 3 years a get the range now. 😊

  • @igethanxcmtb9437
    @igethanxcmtb9437 3 года назад +1

    It even looks smoother on video!

  • @JJ_MTB_15
    @JJ_MTB_15 3 года назад +1

    Such sick trails

  • @thomaswyatt199
    @thomaswyatt199 3 года назад +2

    Next bike for sure it's a beast built for the shore but they need to fix the cable rattle from within the frame is where is sounds like it's coming from the noise is so annoying.

  • @RequiemDead
    @RequiemDead 3 года назад +1

    I want the new Norco in the worst way possible!

  • @lindsaymcpherson4744
    @lindsaymcpherson4744 3 месяца назад +1

    I have the 2017 range with fox 36 forks and it rips ,would love to test ride the latest version of one of these

  • @MrShortman4334
    @MrShortman4334 3 года назад +1

    100% you should get one of these!!

  • @bullseye0112
    @bullseye0112 3 года назад +1

    For what you ride I would definitely say no for the Norco range just because it's so long. It looks like a fun bike park bike but you started to shift towards a little bit smaller bikes to get a little bit more mobility. I like the look of it a lot and I'm sure it's a fun bike but for an everyday bike I wouldn't choose that as my first bike. I would probably go with the altitude. I have a rip-mo and it is awesome for pedaling and just a lightweight fun bike to ride. I wish it was tracking a little bit better in the rear but I'm going to adjust my compression and rebound a little bit and see if that helps. Good video

  • @AD690smcr
    @AD690smcr 3 года назад +1

    Only thing I would replace my 2020 norco range A2 with would be one of these. So nice and love the size given I am 6”1””

  • @charlesbisbee3014
    @charlesbisbee3014 3 года назад +3

    Your style of riding on these trails is so sick to watch!

  • @charlito_gk3880
    @charlito_gk3880 3 года назад +1

    Damn it's a very great looking bike! Just perfect!

  • @JaggedTusk
    @JaggedTusk 3 года назад +12

    The linkage hanging below the bb bothers me. I'd definitely smash it on things. I'm also not convinced on the high pivot design for my trail bike. For a race bike sure, but I don't care about having the absolute fastest bike. I want my bike to be playful and be able to boost off everything with ease even if it's not the fastest way down.

    • @trailreviews3628
      @trailreviews3628 3 года назад +5

      Yeah this is a race bike. One of the fastest out there. If you want a playful bike, go for an Optic. If you want a bit more travel, get a sight. Both playful

    • @BasicBodThor
      @BasicBodThor 3 года назад +3

      It's for sure a race bike. If you want a playful bike, don't get this. This also isn't a trail bike really, as Nick noted it's basically a pedalable DH bike haha

  • @jeepboy88yj
    @jeepboy88yj 3 года назад +1

    That color combo 🤘🏻🤘🏻

  • @bene_hnk6446
    @bene_hnk6446 3 года назад +2

    Haha the Norco Range is my absolutely dream bike😂😍

  • @clmfilms8103
    @clmfilms8103 3 года назад +1

    Just got a Norco fluid FS 1, it has a rockshox pike and a Shimano XT detailer which is awesome for the price. Picking it up in a couple of days, hope this bike was the right choice:D

  • @chrisrobson2203
    @chrisrobson2203 3 года назад +1

    yeep! Get one! Loved the video!

  • @jordanmackay3568
    @jordanmackay3568 3 года назад +1

    Brave riding them tyres. Need a stronger casing. Its a shame tan walls don't come reinforced

  • @MTBwithMiguel
    @MTBwithMiguel 3 года назад +1

    That zeb looks so good

  • @BasicBodThor
    @BasicBodThor 3 года назад +1

    Great video as always. :)

  • @crissvaughn85
    @crissvaughn85 3 года назад +1

    that's definitely your bike, Nick - I feel you're more a fan of a chunky mini DH, like the Slayer or the Range 🤙

  • @montyjcm
    @montyjcm 3 года назад +2

    You would have the corner on the market if you compared it to your Enduro! No one has mentioned how they stack up. All the superlatives for the 2020 enduro mode are the same in the reviews, yet it feels like the range is just “more”

    • @aaronoconnor606
      @aaronoconnor606 3 года назад

      This is a better bike in my opinion. The Endero has a flaw that allows rocks to get stuck in the rear linkage/shock that can Crack the frame, linkage and damage the shock.

  • @BezekCo
    @BezekCo 3 года назад +1

    SICK BIKE

  • @marcsee4072
    @marcsee4072 3 года назад +1

    great riding

  • @tegantbin2844
    @tegantbin2844 3 года назад +1

    that bike is so cool

  • @FrANTiXzz
    @FrANTiXzz 3 года назад +1

    Love the color

  • @RonnRider
    @RonnRider 3 года назад +2

    Man, were you silent on those landings! That's more skill than bike though. I say hell yeah...go for the range! Support Canadian (even though I work for Rocky mountain and would love to see you on an Altitude or Slayer...lol :-)

  • @donbenincasa7442
    @donbenincasa7442 3 года назад +1

    Oh yeah…Get one!!!!

  • @grasenwillink4554
    @grasenwillink4554 3 года назад +1

    are you going to try the new Gt Force? Pls try this because I want a solid review on that bike. Love your channel.

  • @TAZMON20
    @TAZMON20 3 года назад +2

    At first glance I thought it was a Forbidden Dreadnought, which maybe the better choice

  • @rickiroadrash
    @rickiroadrash 3 года назад +1

    How tall are you and what is your inseam . How did the Large feel ? Does the cockpit feel tight or long to you ? I am 5'9 with a 30 " inseam and ride a large 2020 Range VLT as I like to move around . I did have a 2019 Range C9 in a medium but that is a totally different bike . The numbers say one thing but the " feel " on the bike is what matters . Wicked videos and killer riding . Keep up the awesome content . Appreciate your input

  • @innisnettle
    @innisnettle 3 года назад +3

    yes lad

  • @aaronoconnor606
    @aaronoconnor606 3 года назад +1

    This thing is vary close to being a full on downhill bike. I ride a 2018 santa cruz nomad I'm considering selling it and getting this as my shuttle/ bike park bike. And buying something a bit lighter for pedaling days.

  • @NorCalMTB
    @NorCalMTB 3 года назад +3

    Hey Nic, great video. How would you say the Range compares to your old Enduro? It seems like they’re pretty similar bikes on paper, and I was wondering how you think they compare on the trail.

  • @Strider362
    @Strider362 3 года назад +1

    WOW I think you just sold me on this bike

  • @acuhealer62
    @acuhealer62 3 года назад +4

    Nice bike but it sounds like they didn't do the tube in tube cable routing that many other companies are putting in their bikes. I solved the rattle in my bike by getting a pack of home heating vent filters at my local Home Depot and stuffing them into the down tube. They weigh nothing and now the cables don't rattle anymore.

    • @willshawyer7280
      @willshawyer7280 3 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot

    • @philn9205
      @philn9205 3 года назад +1

      Jagwire makes internal housing damper tube foam for this purpose.

    • @acuhealer62
      @acuhealer62 3 года назад

      @@philn9205 I had the tube foam on my brake hoses. Still rattled. Using the filters solved the problem for me and was a breeze to install.

    • @shanecurnyn4612
      @shanecurnyn4612 2 года назад

      If air can pass through the filter so can water, so you might have a bit of a heavy mess on your hands when things get damp(?). Pipe insulation seems to do the trick and it won’t soak.

  • @MTBMcPhee
    @MTBMcPhee 3 года назад +2

    How did you like the Zeb vs. your 36. I've always been a fox man but getting the exact Range you're testing so can't decide if it's worth changing. Great review 🙌

  • @gabebertozzi3032
    @gabebertozzi3032 3 года назад +3

    Good stuff

  • @mr6368u
    @mr6368u 3 года назад +2

    Hey Nick- been waiting for this review since you posted the teaser in the Gram. I have this exact bike on order, but like everything, it’s delayed till Nov. Time to think makes you question your decision- I had chosen the Nukeproof Giga, Knolly Chilcotin or the Range. Nukeproof is annoying to try and order, so i kinda scrapped that. How does this compare to the Chilcotin?? There is literally no reviews around on them. I want a pedalable heavy hitter, that can tolerate some less extreme terrain and not feel like a bored sled. Lots of shuttles, Park, but the occasional pedal. Hopefully not TLDR ;) Keep up the good work!

  • @Mountain_Manu
    @Mountain_Manu 3 года назад +5

    Really like that machine. What do you say, how does it pedal up? Does it still feel like an Enduro and you can do 3000ft+ ascents, or does it have the big cassette merely for stylistic means? (or something in between)

  • @Forgingkid
    @Forgingkid 3 года назад +2

    Buy it

  • @mtbville
    @mtbville 3 года назад +1

    What a sick bike 🤩😍

  • @ReechaRips
    @ReechaRips 3 года назад +1

    Please can you provide a quick comparison between Norco Range 2022 and Knolly Chilcotin 2021 that you did recently?
    I do a lot of climbing and ride skinnies too

  • @SHREDD-ED
    @SHREDD-ED 3 года назад +1

    GET iT~!!!!!!!!!!

  • @scottmtb122
    @scottmtb122 3 года назад +1

    Love this norco range. What are your thought on the wheels e13 lg1 alloys? Only heard mixed reviews on them. I'm looking at either the c1 or c2 version......just wheels putting me off!

  • @BikingVikingMTB
    @BikingVikingMTB 3 года назад +1

    Yean man you ride those trails like a boss.! One question? How tall are you? Im 6ft 4” and looked on the comparison chart to buy And Im just out of the xl range. Surely an XL would be fine….. great vid as always

  • @mrvwbug4423
    @mrvwbug4423 3 года назад +1

    you should take out the new Transition Patrol on a demo, I bet that bike will eat up North Shore tech for breakfast and still be playful.

  • @mahe8136
    @mahe8136 3 года назад +3

    I can't wait for my framset!!! But this sounds so loud in every review i see....is it just the cabels in the frame or the rear end and chain? I have to get this quiet when i'm finally gettin my frame:/

    • @lewisyang91
      @lewisyang91 3 года назад +1

      The dropper cable rattles a lot. Idler has noise when pedaling but not that bad

  • @barkingmadman1169
    @barkingmadman1169 3 года назад +1

    Physics question about high pivot. I have seen the deflection diagrams for both high pivot and regular rear suspension; one pivots forward, one pivots backwards. So my question is why don't they design deflection exactly in the middle? Isn't that what you really want? A perfectly vertical deflection without geometry changes? I mean, as you observed, the high pivot makes the bike feel longer, and to me that is not a good thing. But then I've never ridden a high pivot, so maybe this is not so much a matter of physics as feel. Just curious what you think, Nick, because I know you are interested in the intellectual side of MTB.

    • @VanCan
      @VanCan  3 года назад +1

      Mountain bikes are pretty subjective. The “best” design is the one you like. I will say though that the bike getting longer as the suspension compresses makes it more stable.

  • @kimabuel873
    @kimabuel873 3 года назад +1

    Always interested to know what camera you use and how you get crispy audio. 🤙🏾

  • @rubindublone5932
    @rubindublone5932 3 года назад +2

    Is it just me who notices the extreem jiggle in the "slow mo" bike showing scenes?

  • @kingrat738
    @kingrat738 3 года назад +1

    Bike Park!! Bike Park!! Bike Park!!

  • @Liftedsfforester
    @Liftedsfforester 3 года назад +2

    Hey Nic, love the vid, just wondering how tall you are as the large seems quite large, compared to other brands?

    • @sdn147
      @sdn147 3 года назад

      I was wondering the same thing :)

  • @rubindublone5932
    @rubindublone5932 3 года назад +3

    The cable ratteling is really bothering me

  • @MrMaxx._.
    @MrMaxx._. 3 года назад +3

    It’s ma first VanCan Vid I watch, but What the fuck? How cool are these trails? 😂

  • @markritchie7059
    @markritchie7059 3 года назад +1

    You mentioned this Range being as close to a pedally DH bike as it gets - how would you compare/contrast it with the Rocky Mountain Slayer you tested last year? That video and this one are VERY similar.

  • @seanoleary623
    @seanoleary623 3 года назад

    So good. Have been trying to decide between the Range and the Sight. Was steering more toward the Sight as my one bike does all. I ride mostly steep downhill and the c3 range is basically the same price as the a1 sight. Main concern with the Range is it’s ability to climb. What do you think?

  • @matthew_dag6201
    @matthew_dag6201 3 года назад +1

    How does that 200mm dropper feel? Must be incredible

  • @stepheno.2730
    @stepheno.2730 3 года назад +1

    The norco is nice. What about a Yeti with switch infinity? Sb150 or 165😈

  • @unionandfifthmtb8227
    @unionandfifthmtb8227 3 года назад +1

    You should so get it I reckon.
    It just eats up that chunk

  • @SydDante
    @SydDante 3 года назад +2

    Dear lord that section of the video at 1:19 hurts lol

  • @g4briel974
    @g4briel974 3 года назад +1

    This is the Bike that Lewis Buchanan used in Redbull Hardline and Got 12th place 👌

  • @nicholasazak5653
    @nicholasazak5653 3 года назад +1

    I def want one

  • @Happy_Biker
    @Happy_Biker 3 года назад +6

    Hey Nic, can you get a Norco Shore to demo? That would be interesting.

    • @matthew_dag6201
      @matthew_dag6201 3 года назад

      You probably already know this, but pinkbike included the shore in their "field test" last year. They made a full review and did many other tests and content with the shore

    • @Happy_Biker
      @Happy_Biker 3 года назад

      @@matthew_dag6201 Yes, but my thinking is: can we find Nic a bike he won't (or can't) break?! And is it the Shore? Or what? 🤔

    • @stevenjam7119
      @stevenjam7119 3 года назад

      @@Happy_Biker he shreded on the most recent knollys and they are made of beffy alum. He should rock one for a season

    • @trailreviews3628
      @trailreviews3628 3 года назад

      @@matthew_dag6201 Pinkbike sucks though. They don’t ride jumps, so they hated the shore. It’s a free ride bike and is amazing for jumps. They just don’t recognize that

  • @glowerpower
    @glowerpower 3 года назад +2

    I'd like this frame with some Fox and Shimano parts. I'm on a 2020 Capra now. Does this Norco climb better? how does it compare on the downs?

    • @georgeandrew8388
      @georgeandrew8388 3 года назад +2

      Anything climbs better than a Capra

    • @glowerpower
      @glowerpower 3 года назад +1

      @@georgeandrew8388 Probably true. haha