1988-3-12 José Luis Ramírez vs Pernell Whitaker I
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- Опубликовано: 27 дек 2012
- 1988-3-12 Stade de Levallois, Levallois-Perret, Hauts-de-Seine, France
José Luis Ramírez (100-6-0) vs Pernell 'Sweet Pea' Whitaker (15-0-0)
WBC World Lightweight Championship
Referee: Luis Carlos Guzmán
Judges: Harry Gibbs, Newton Campos, Louis Michel
Link in BoxRec: boxrec.com/media/index.php?tit... 
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Q lastima que ni un reconocimient o a J Luis Ramírez un gran mexicano en el box🥊 gracias Zurdo por tan buenísimas peleas, siempre te la rifaste 🇲🇽
Robbery 😂
Ramirez en mi opinion merece estar en el salon de la fama
@@yosilokojoto3225 what robbery you moron Ramirez beat whitaker easy
José Luis fue un gran campeón y merece un gran reconocimiento
Whitaker was told he was taking part in the tour de France and used his bicycle all night long.
While bashing Jose’s face in and winning only way Mexicans could beat hood black fighters back then was through robbery
Womp
But he lose cuz he black
That figh was in France is not like it was here in Vegas where there's a lot of Mexicans
Tuvo triunfos y grandes peleas durante su carrera boxistica fue un herrero en el rin para que hoy este en el salón de la fama un gran guerrero
En el ring
@@JoseMartinez-ns7hr en el Rin si su vida personal no la conosi
Hizo unos barandales bien chingones como “ herrero”
Hay k mandarle una Carta Al carnal de Jose sulaiman
LOS JUEZES SON EUROPEOS...ELLOS QUIEREN VER PELEA...CON ESTA CLASE DE JUEZES MAYWEATHER HUBIERA PERDIDO MÁS DE UNA PELEA...AQUÍ NO ES LAS VEGAS..PERNELL WAS GREAT
Yes we don't like fighters who are running all the time without being able to hit effectively, if i would watch this kind of athletes i would watch 50km race walk or marathon for example lol !
The ones claiming that Pernell did beat Oscar DLH should watch something else, he was clearly backing off Oscar's power by moving all his body in awkward positions sometimes flirting or passing over the boxing rules..
Really?So you really want to see a in a electronic scooter to fight a road runner isn't this about fighting, boxing...
Fuck off why are you Mexicans always fkn bud it’s like you’s aren’t even real boxing fans you’s just go for your own race
This was a robbery I don’t know what kind of fight you’s where watching
@@ComaToast1 you know they are fighting in Europe right? Jose luis Ramirez is Mexican. How could it be a robbery? The European judges just wanna see a real fight, not someone running a marathon. When floyd fought in Las Vegas only because he knew he had the advantage there
Un gran guerrero José Luis Ramírez 🇲🇽 debería estar en el salón de la fama!
Exacto pero está pelea no es el mejor ejemplo de para ponerlo ahí XD.
¿Por qué el Zurdito Ramírez no está en el salón de la fama del boxeo? Su récord es admirable
A la mejor en los próximos años.
@@santiagoalonso7257 Y sabías que gano todas pero le fueron robadas incluso al que mencionas Alexis Arguello fue un robo descarado le dislocó las quijadas y le dieron el triunfo a Argüello. El mismo reconoció que perdió. El único ko que conoció fue ante púas Olivares fue un descuido pero lo tiró 3 veses a la lona. Fue en sus inicios
@@santiagoalonso7257 y en la 2da lo noquio a Rosario
@@santiagoalonso7257 ¿o se que en el Salón de la fama, cuentan las que perdiste, y no las que ganaste?... de antemano muchas gracias por la información.
El salon de la fama es para el que le agrada..como uno que dio la espalda y se tiro en segundo raund esta en Salon de la fama.
RAMIREZ GRANDE..
Sweet pea trainer says at the beginning of 11, this is a close fight.. and there are people saying this was a robbery pffff, Ramirez won a close fight!
Ramirez won Pernell ran away the whole fight and was holding the entire fight.
This fight was FAR closer than people would have you believe. I remember this day well.
Whitaker fought as he was already the champion, he didn’t understood he needed to snatch the belt out of Ramirez. By the way, the biased comentators also did 😂
You're an idiot. Rounds are scored the same regardless. The vast majority of the public knew Whitaker won, and he was robbed. Just like he was robbed vs Chavez in San Antonio.
Que guerrero mexicano.. merece el salon de la fama y mucho mucho mas
JOSE LUIS RAMIREZ DE LOS MEJORES BOXEADORES DE MEXICO EN TODA LA HISTORIA DEL BOXEO 👌
No way... Serio??
Boxing will not survive as a sport if points are given for defense. Running and holding should not be rewarded.
You just dont win fights by running around
He’s moving and boxing. Landing combinations, fighting behind a beautiful right jab, out throwing Ramirez, and not getting hit back. Boxing is an art, not street fighting. I think that’s something people in these comments forget about (as most of them ridiculously believe Ramirez deserve the victory). Hitting without getting hit is the way to go.
@@kdberry1997 exactly, i dont know what they seeing, but they don't see skill, the only see blood
@@kdberry1997 Whitaker ran like a bitch
Mayweather somehow made a career out of that....
@@kdberry1997that's because the vast majority of them posting comments on here are what's termed as casuals & know absolutely SFA about the Noble Art!!! Unlike yourself as I can tell you know your boxing and understand why it's called the sweet science!👍😊🥊
Este José Luis peleó con lo mejor de lo mejor excelente deportista y gran campeón
En la pelea que tuvo con argüello fue robado descaradamente, incluso el mexicano mando a la lona a argüello y lamentablemente se la robaron, un grande del boxeo mundial
Eran los tiempos donde el nicaragüense tenía de marido a Sulaimán
I don’t think this is the robbery everyone says it was. You can’t take a title moving and sliding quite this much. It’s a close call
It’s boxing not rock em sockem. He making him miss making him pay and he landing the more memorable blows if that’s not the formula to winning what is?
@@215thetruth being a mexican
@@215thetruth they don’t like boxing like that they re primitve stupid Neanderthals they want you to stay still so they can hit you
@@215thetruth making someone miss don't win you fights being forced too run don't make you win fights but landing punches sure do and ramirez clearly beat whitaker easy this is no dame running track
@@Aldine281 Boxing it's only pressure lol
Those commentators wants Whitaker win just with a weak jab ,running and tying up since the first round and that is not the way to fight for a title.that’s why the judges score the way they did
Whitaker was clearly a star on the rise here. The announcers are blind to any punches Ramirez lands while gushing over everything Pernell does. It was a very close fight...
the announcers are calling the fight many years later. This is ESPN classic where the announcers are watching the fight from the ESPN studios in the mid 1990s
lol....time travel references are always funny
@@phelpsmarc Joe Tessitore would Have been 17 years old in 1988. And I was trying to figure that out. Thanks Mark for clearing that up!
lol, and Ramirez was way out of his prime, no excuses
It was a fixed fight. Whitaker and his trainer called the WBC out for obvious favoritism and corruption.
El chelis Ramírez siempre para de lanteee unos de los mejores boxeadores de México y del mundo.
That is what he gets for running most of the time,!!!!!!
!! Sin duda una tremenda Pelea !
Ramírez demostró una gran determinación de todo un Guerrero del Ring
que bien por el mexicano, no tengo palabras para describir al ,"oponente" sobre su comportamiento Ridiculo
He still destroyed Chavez easily
@@Philotheist777 how if cahvez was the one who made whitaker run like a scared bitch Chavez won super easy
@@Philotheist777 jajajaja
Running and holding your opponent in boxing is a strong show of weakness
You're a an IDIOT!
Look at 17:53 and 31:52 Can you run away from your opponent like that in boxing? Pernell W was with his back away from Ramirez...
that is why no one miss this shitty boxer, just like mayweather, they brought shame to boxing
@@shiroumxm2052 you're an idiot
You're an idiot
@@phonejack8949 go back to your ghetto
@@phonejack8949 ‘Turning the back is a foul. This includes any method of weaving or ducking or rolling or turning such that the opponent is solely or mostly presented with the back of the head and/or body’.
Merecido triunfo de Ramirez
Yes
Si mijo si
Hell na sweet pea took him to school 😂
@yo si loko joto Whitaker lost this fight because all he did was run. He shpuld have ran away but from that car that smashed his dumb ass.
The commentators just call Pea’s blows, quiet when Ramírez lands!
3:40 No counter to the jab from Whitaker in the rematch he countered almost every jab. Notice how Whitaker`s lead foot is inside Jose`s lead foot when he lands the jab at 3:55, doing this creates a great angle for southpaw to land the jab, I`m comparing Pernell`s jab to Floyd`s because of a boxing read spoke on the subject.
You know Ramirez is also a southpaw right?
me alimenta mucho su boxeo, mejor que el de JCCH, para mi en lo personal, se me hace un CAMPEON OLVIDADO
Un campeón olvidado por apestoso
Fue mas leyenda que juan Manuel Marquez
@@that_onebrunette456 me refiero "apestoso" whitaker, Jose Luis Ramírez es grande entre los grandes!!
@@raulgomez8005 you stupid
La manera en que Chávez metía la derecha al mismo tiempo que hacía bending. Mucho más rápido que Ramírez y más certero.
Ramírez sí está un poco por debajo de Julio.
RIP Sweet Pea.
They don't like the runners in Europe. Well, I'm sure they do now.
Boom booms running out the mouth but Livingstone Bramble beat him twice and just whooped him like 40 going north and he stand up there for this what he should do in his tell him why didn't
he do it
Never run
la pelea la tiene muy bien merecida el mexicano, no entiendo porqué el Réferi no le descontó punto o puntos al maratonista de whitaker
Por lo menos que haga una pelea tipo Joshua contra Ruiz Mayweather contra marquez y canelo pero no usar sus patas para correr
Pernell gran pugilista le ganó a Chávez
@@alexandrosanchez6501con todo respeto eiwiltaker mucho más marrullero que floy maywether José Luis Ramírez lo corretio toda la pelea nunca quiso pararse a dar pelea así no merecía nisiquiera un empate
That decision was crazy, but not totally out of the realm of how corrupt boxing can be!!…
The true 🏃🏾♂️ man Whitaker 🤦🏻♂️how the heck would they give him the fight ?! He f ran all night
no excuses...ramirez kicked the ass to pernell
You're stupid
Estoy aqui por el pograma "UN ROUND MAS" 🔥🔥
Not the robbery people say it was. Whitaker was putting on a clinic for the first 5 rounds but slowed down and was getting clipped with hard shots round 6 onwards. I had it a draw.
El floy de aquellos tiempo marrullero correlon
El negro era un payaso solamente
the execucioner si era un payaso y marruyero que pegaba y abrazaba y corría mucho no nos agamos pendejos y reconoscamos que así es
@@rudyromero4001 jajaja ya te gustaría tener su defensa.
Perdió Whitaker, se la paso huyendo en el combate. La mafia del boxeo que no proteja mas a estos boxeadores, con este estilo de boxeo que con 2 o 3 golpesitos por asalto, ganan una pelea de campeonato mundial... Es una falta de respeto con el publico presente.
Falta de respeto más bien para los que no saben de box.
@@WualterSoprano FALTA DE RESPETO PARA EL DEPORTE DEL BOXEO.
UNA COSA ES EL BOX DEFENSIVO Y OTRA MUY DIFERENTE SER COBARDE Y REUSAR A BOXEAR.
Grande Ramírez no sabía que le ganó a un top 5 de los mejores boxeadores defensivos en la historia del boxeo
He didn’t beat him he got a gift
@@200littleman 😆😆🤣🤣😂😂
The one who received the gift of his life was Pernell, the defeat he had against our great Mexican champion was painful, that style of running around the ring is useless against a hunter like José Luis Ramirez
Así es hermano 👍, fue polémica la desicion de empate contra Chavez, pero esta fue victoria clara para nuestro zurdo Ramirez
@@lineaaaaaaa It’s called boxing and flat footed Mexicans lose to it more often than they don’t 😂
@@200littleman “flat”? 😂😂 anyone can run in the ring LMAAAO Go do some research about why Mexicans fight like that, they need to sell the fights in the states, they are boxers, they are not in the Formula 1 where they come from a wealthy family. Chavez destroyed that style lol Oh and again, go do some research, Mexico owns the USA when it’s about championship fights 😂😂🤟🏻🤟🏻
When it comes right down to it, the more experienced fighter won.
so points and good decisions don't matter to you?
@@ededd3175 Pernell first shot at the title. He was nervous, young but gifted. You notice after this fight Pernell was practically unbeatable.
@@euclideszoto997 unbeatable lol you must of forgot chavez oscar de la hoya tito trinidad jorge paez all beat him facts
@@arturolemus4824 Paez lost. You can hate all you want on Whitaker. He was one of the most gifted fighters ever and a natural southpaw.
@@ededd3175 soft punches don't win fight all the time. Ramirez was landing harder punches....did more damage in more rounds than Whitaker
pernell,,,,,,,,,,,,,CORRECAMINOS,,,,BEEP,BEEP,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
éso es fue, un corre camino 👎
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Por corralón...perdió la pelea ...en cambio el mexicano todo un guerrero
Vine a ver está pelea por Erik Morales que le estaba haciendo una entrevista de un raun más era un mstruo este mexicano ganar witeker no era fácil y le ganó
How do you dominate a fight by running al the time.exactly gets away
@CARLOS MENDOZA but he got hit tho José Luis Ramirez won
Up to 2:01 Ramirez has landed three straight punches and the commentators didn`t even notice.
ramirez dominates the fight with his own jab
Lmao delusional
it was a good decision. why should the champion have to chase the challenger and the challenger gets rewarded for running? Let him WORK for it!
You're an idiot
You don’t know shit bout boxing 🥊
Exactly
Agreed. We actually saw this during the Olympics.
DEFINITION OF BOXING: HIT AND NOT BE HIT... HE KEPT A JAB IN HIS FACE ALL NIGHT LONG... PLEASE, STOP SNORTING FETANAYL.
An any war you never win by runing an retrieving!
Boxing matches arent wars.
@@colorado2455 mike tyson said if is like war
Imagine Whitaker vs Mayweather, they would turn a boxing match into a Marathon 🏃🏿♂️
You're Stupid
phone jack Bless you
@@enriquerojas9758 yes you are
@@enriquerojas9758 it's called outboxing, something you know nothing about because you only watch dudes come forward while throwing punches and missing 99% of them.
niegas were being running outside the ring
and hiding behind the ring poles
físico impresionante del zurdo de SONORA 💪 MEX ..FIERROOO
This loss did Pernell no harm @ all.
In fact, made him a far better technician. Ramirez just a complete Professional man..
HERE IS THE THING MAN..PERNELL.IS IN HIS PRIME NO WAY NO HOW A PPP GREAT OF ALL TIME SHOULD LOOSE TO A NON ALL TIME GREAT BUT WHEN CHAVEZ HAD TO.CHASE SWEET PEA ALL NIGHT LONG AND COULDNT REALLY CATCH HIM, SUDDENTLY PERNELL BECAME GREATER THAN CHAVEZ IN ALL TIME?..RELALY LOOK CHAVEZ WAS JUST ABOUT OUT OF HIS PRIME IN A DIFFERENT WEIGHT CLASS AND WAR WORN OUT..AND ALL BLACKS DETERMIN CHAVEZ CAREER BASED ON THAT FIGHT...THIS LOSS WAS WORST THAN THE CHAVEZ DRAW TO WHITTAKER...CHAVEZ IS PPP ABOVE PERNELL WHITTAKER HAD IT BEEN CHAVEZ FIGHTING HERE...WOULD BE LIGHTS OUT PERNELL...NO WAY NO HOW A PRIME OERNELL.IS PPP GREATER THAN A PRIME CHAVEZ...
mario gutierrez I hate cringe idiots like you who write in all caps
@@jaydengray4015 fuck yourelf fuck runner
Whitaker won this fixed fight lmao
he sucks ass
Puede gustar o no el estilo de Pernell, a mí nunca me gustó para nada, pero de que ganó esa pelea, la ganó y por mucho. Como buen mexicano, siempre apoyaré a mis guerreros Aztecas, pero como persona de integridad, siempre daré mérito y honor a quien lo merece.
9-3 Whitaker, this was a robbery imo.
No Robbery
This Is boxing no Runing
You're Stupid
@@phonejack8949 nah you are stupid
@@aldinewestfield5821 you keep liking your own comment. That's pathetic.
@@daulhernandez608 which Tyson?
@@daulhernandez608 Mike Tyson and Tyson fury.
Jose luis Ramirez le dio una clase de box a Pernel por eso se preparo bien cuando enfrento a Chavez ...no que noo😊
Chavez le eso correre a Whitaker
Vivaaaaaa mexicooo haters
You're still stupid
El Whitaker correlon! The running man Whitaker
he suppose to take punishment bc you say so? lol
@@ededd3175 he is supposed too fight toe to toe not run backwards all night this is not Tom and Jerry ca t chasing mouse this is boxing combat fighting
R.I.P. KING
una lastima q no sepas del arte del boxeo 😁
@@chrissbrown6096 Speak english
@arturo vargas lujan imbécil.
@@J4sse chi gas a tu made speak Spanish
Toda la pelea se la paso corriendo , y eso que Ramírez ya era un veterano y aún así se creía ganador Pernell , lo que es no asimilar el profesionalismo a diferencia del boxeo amateur!
@@santiagoalonso7257 Claro que no se questiona el gran peleador que fue Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker. Tenia un estilo defensivo con excelent contragolpeo, muy buen trabajo de piernas y muy veloz de manos. Su mejor arma, la defensa, el jab, el contragolpeo a velocidad y en combinaciones. Ahora hablando de esta pelea y siendo sinceros, Whitaker empezo ganando facilmente los primeros asaltos. El 6to fue parejo, de ahi en adelante Jose Luis Ramirez tomo la iniciativa y estuve encima cortando el ring y conectando golpes. Pareciera que Whitaker no podia quitarse de encima a Ramirez que perseguia y conectaba al cuerpo y arriba, la mayor parte de los ultimos fueron para J.L. Ramirez. En el 12 Whitaker se impone nuevamente y lo gana. Recordemos que en este tiempo para que despojaran a un campeon mundial de su cinturon tenian que vencerlo claramente. Muy pocas veces Whitaker se paro a fajarse, quizas sintio el poder de Ramirez y por eso retrosedio demasiado durante la segunda parte de la pelea. Lo que si es que mas que un robo, Whitaker dejo de hacer cosas para convencer del todo a los jueces para que le dieran la pelea. En la revancha, Whitaker con sus habilidades y muy buen boxeo, fue mas constante y gano claramente.
@@santiagoalonso7257 en Europa califican diferente.
Además Ramírez era manejado por dos franceses, ahí estaban en Francia. Prácticamente tenía la ventaja de local.
Se que Whitaker fue un grande pero esta pelea fue horrible con todo el respeto que se merece. Yo creo que se enojaron los jueces y se la dieron a Ramírez.
Whitaker schooled Ramirez casual
@@trey4323 whitaker run like a chicken
me ubiera gustado vet Boston una revancha Ramirez vs Camacho y Alexis argueyo
I love the judgment
Que esperaba whitaker, si se la paso corriendo para atrás toda la pelea...y sólo punteando golpes, así no se ganan las peleas...
@@santiagoalonso7257 ala mejor tienes tu razon, pero estos boxeadores que pelean corriendo ,no Los miro no de gratis
the execucioner : Muéstra el documento de una organización mundial donde se establezca que se toman en cuenta esos 4 criterios que dices a la hora de calificar en las tarjetas. Defensa ? No tirar golpes cuenta como puntos en las tarjetas ? ring generalship ? Representas al boxeo Olímpico Internacional ?
Robo ? Robo el que hizo la dictadura argentina en el mundial del 78, el agua contaminada del equipo argentino a los jugadores brasileiros vs Brasil en el 90, y la mano delincuencial de Maradona en el 86. Muestra el fallo de ese "robo"
El boxeo es un deporte de apreciación y no siempre los jueces aplican el mismo criterio, de ahí la polémica del boxeo. Unos le dan más valor al que más propone o es ofensivo, o a los golpes de poder sobre los golpes de "punteo"y los efectivos, no la defensa.
Ramírez ganó bien, ante ese estilo de mierda de ese boxeador perfectamente olvidable que tanto te gusta, que además, aplicó todas las mañas en el ring y que hasta hoy, no se castigan en ese deporte.
@@santiagoalonso7257 : Tú eres el lineal. El artículo habla precisamente de la disparidad de criterios y la subjetividad de los mismos por parte del sistema y de los jueces, más allá de esos 4 criterios, en donde el aspecto de defensa no es el prioritario y no es efectivio si no se complementan con golpes limpios y conectados.
El boxeo es un deporte de contacto, donde se privilegia al que conecta por encima del que evade. Es un deporte profesional y de espectáculo, debido a la industria que trae atrás, y por lo mismo, donde algunas veces se privilegiará al que haga mayor uso de la ofensiva con eficacia en peleas cerradas. Y sigue siendo un deporte de apreciación ( esto incluye a los jueces ) Tu hablas en teoría a rajatabla en un sistema de calificación imperfecto.
"Clearer guidelines for judges regarding the criteria on how to score a round of boxing would ensure less disparity. “Clean punching” is the most important"
Que tu cabecita limitada no lo entienda no es mi problema.
Ahora bien, la pelea la GANÓ Ramírez, así lo ví yo y así lo miraron los JUECES, que eran los facultados en la materia, y la autoridad en la decisión final, oficial, legítima y legal ( el delito de robo solo está en tú cabecita calenturienta ) y que, además, estaban presentes EN la arena.
Tú opinión no importa.
@@santiagoalonso7257 : Jajaja, no mames, ahórrate tus burdas justificaciones de esas suciedades deportivas ( el agua puerca, la mano puerca, el dopaje, la presión de la dictadura, etc ) NO LAS VOY A LEER.
Más bien en lugar de llamarme y generalizar a toda una población dicéndome "mexicano bruto", corre y educa a los miles de argentinos brutos como tú, ellos comentan y lloran en RUclips las derrotas de Maidana vs Maywather, y hablan de robo jajaja, eso si es chistoso. JAJA.
Ese costalito Maidana se llevó un baile y se cansó de pegarle a la "piñata" (palos al aire ) dando palos de ciego y llevándose una cachetiza. Debió aprender de mexicanos como Jose Luis Castillo y Oscar de la Hoya. ESAS si fueron peleas cerradas. Y del mismo Ramírez.
442.perfil.com/2014-05-04-277167-la-argentina-gris-e-inutil-y-el-robo-consentido-al-chino-maidana/
ruclips.net/video/UoA-ak4Yc1E/видео.html
@@santiagoalonso7257 : el robo es un delito tipificado en la mayoría de los códigos penales del mundo, pelotudo.
La información; así sean reglamentos o leyes, hay que matizarla, contextualizarla, criticarla y llevarla a un criterio propio.
Aprende eso.
Most important fight of Pernell's career - forced him to be a fighter and a crowd pleaser.
soft punches don't win fight all the time. Ramirez was landing harder punches....did more damage in more rounds than Whitaker
Yo la tenia 8 rounds a 4, favor de Ramirez. Corrió mas de lo que pegó Parnell
The commentators were biased against Jose luis ramirez. He pushed the fight.
Mancini is right. Those slick moves by Whitaker turns some judges off. Whitaker didn't have the conditioning to go 22 big rounds. He was used to dispatching ppl in early rounds.
Ramírez beat his ass
This is how you learn to box this video fight right here
You cant learn anything without putting the time in...muscles need to learn and memorize these techniques.
Yeah, run for your life and when they get close, grab em by the thigh. A real great here.
Jose luis realices es.un.ejempllo de profesionalismo Boxisticamente
Qué me reserva su ingreso
Al salón de la
Fama del boxeo mundial.que
Ya que puso a prueba a grandes boxeadores con
Un.rrecord que no debe de ser
Olvidado
La mayoria de los negros son oportunistas y correlones casi no presentan pelea, por eso sus peleas son enfadosas mi zurdito de Sonora José Luis Ramirez, siempre dio grandes peleas
Eso fue un bochornoso robo whitaker le dio una clase de boxeo y de defensa lo mismo q a Chávez tan bien le dio.clase y se la robaron el.americano es.mas fino.q el mejicano q lo.q saben es ir.para el frente no tienen de defensa q bochorno
@@juandiazresto8938 pendijo
@@juandiazresto8938 Esta fue muy pareja, lo de Chavez si fue un robo absolutamente descarado.
Just running the whole fight. How could he expect to win? Viva México!!!
Running doesn't put you behind on scorecards, stupid. Missing punches does.
@@phonejack8949 mssing punches do not count you fucking lier running away from you opponent punches it sure does
@@aldinewestfield5821 you are stupid. You don't even know how to spell.
Mssing?
Lier?
Hi get hooked up on phonics and then you can come talk to me.
@@phonejack8949 fuck you I bet you understand that huh bitch
@@aldinewestfield5821 that really hurt my feelings
Pernell whitiker. Is a road runner😂🤣
You don’t Shit about boxing he hitting and moving not running
You're stupid
@@phonejack8949 Tú estás pendejo.
Lou said to Whitaker at the end of round one. You look Gorgeous out dare. I have nothing to tell you.
LOL
Jose Luis still beat his ass
@@castlewoods4753 one of my all time favorite fighters.... always worth the price of admission!
Obra de arte ese withaker ... entiendo lo de ir hacia adelante y pelear , pero pernell hizo lo necesario
pernell whitaker gave away that fight you have to take the belt not hold
Most times I would agree....but Ramirez didn't hit the target enough to keep his belt. He was outboxed easily here, and not everybody can brawl and slug like Rocky Balboa...who is movie character and not real life
Robert Garcia stupid comment. Ramirez did nothing more than land an occasional glancing blow and landed less than 25 percent of his shots. He was aggressive but was ineffective, 117-111 Whitaker 116-112 being really generous. Good fight, clean and touch and go. But Whitaker was a master class, even at 23.
Así fue toda su carrera meter codos empujar, jalar abrazar, muy insípido ese Whitaker
@@santiagoalonso7257 corre a comentar goles y barras que de boxeo no sabes ni madres! Adiós niño
@@santiagoalonso7257 correle a ver si ya metió gol boca o river o quién te enajene, deja niño que los expertos veamos boxeo de calidad jajajaja tienen a "maravishhhaaa" y ya se mojan todos jajajaja
@@santiagoalonso7257 que la canción,. Whitaker: metia los codos, empujaba, amarraba, se agachaba más allá de la cintura (no es permitido) al abrazar pegaba por detrás, metía el pie, era marullero, correlon, defensa buena mmm a lo mejor pero no todo es defensa! Un tipo que aburría, el boxeo al ser apreciación dependerá que te guste y ahí si cada quien, saludos pelotudo como dicen uds, pasa buena noche!
@@santiagoalonso7257 jajajaj era lógico no entiendes de boxeo, pero bueno ahí está una explicación con argumentos no los entiendes ni hablar!!!
@@santiagoalonso7257 si entiendes boxeo habrías entendido, bueno ya lo corregí para principiantes de 4to de primaria, adelante
Gran leyenda del boxeo de huatabampo sonora
EXELENTE BOXEADOR RAMIREZ.MUY HUMILDE MUY EDUCADO.
Fabián garcia, Exacto y eso mismo no lo llevo a ser el gran ídolo, porque desgraciadamente para llegar a ser ídolo en muchas de las veces tienen que ser borrachos, mujeriegos, despilfarradores de dinero, vida desordenada, y el humilde que prefirió ser de un perfil bajo
This was an old out of prime Jose Luis Ramirez who beat and gave a young prime Whitaker the runner he's first lost and what does Whitaker do he Cry's like a little girl on the floor lol but Great win by the great Champion Jose Luis Ramirez
Shut up. Luis is trash and clearly lost but the world doesn't respect him like whitaker as a legend.
@@thedarksideoftheforce6658 LMFAO the world remembers Ramirez more then Whitaker don't get mad because Whitaker the runner got beat by a Mexican
High Meadows, The only people who remember Ramirez remember his fights with Whitaker. That says it all.
@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd go ask the mexicans and they will tell you how much they remember how much Jose luis Ramirez fights btch
El mismo estilo de Maywheather correlones
Se llama defensa algo que no sabes.
Whe were judges so unfair with Pernell? He won at leaast 10 rounds in this fight. The same stories were with Oscar and Julio Cesar. Please, answer me.
Ramires is a God fither in the ring,
Whitaker, was a great boxer. Here he did survive. Does not mean he won. Getting beat up while beautifully running backwards? You have to beat the championship out of your opponent.
He kept a jab in his face all night long. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??? LOOK, HE WAS ROBBED THAT NIGHT. BEAT UP? What fight are you watching?
@@williamcooper6274 Dude you’re a black guy was just going for Whitaker because you think I came in you were fake just like him like a coward
@@williamcooper6274 Whittaker's lack of punching authority really showed here, what I usually call sticking and moving in this fight looked more like pecking and running. I can count on my hands how many meaningful shots pernell landed
Whittaker gave this fight away. Ramirez was the better fighter on this night but Sweet Pea is so much more skilled tbh. He should've done a little more in my opinion.
More skilled nah ramirez was old and out of prime and prove too be the better skilled fighter boxer
@@Aldine281 Lol, prime Ramirez never be a great champion, when Pernell became a superstar
Ramírez was never known for been very skilled fighter he was a warrior
whitaker threw one jab from 3:15-3:25, I am checking his punch volume because someone said on a thread that Pac through more punches in his prime in comparison.
Good method ... your arbitrary 11-second sample will definitively prove your argument beyond all possibility of dissent.
+unputer Ha! Ha! This happened to me on another comment section!Whitaker threw a jab then another punch then a beautiful body shot from 3:25- 3:31! Now I`m going to check Pac!
Whitaker was like pac ...threw a lot of punched, looked like they landed, but missed a lot .
Felt Ramírez punch or just your Style run run run
JC Chávez tiene un estilo de pelea muy parecido al del zurdo Ramírez , siempre para adelante , y sus guardias son Yam parecidas , ambos son mexicanos y hasta se parecen mucho en el físico , cuando los 2 pelearon fue alucinante 🤗🤗
And they both lost to Pernell and had to rob Pernell for the victory
@@ComaToast1 Pernell pasó corriendo toda la pelea contra JC Chávez 😬😬
PORQUE LOS DOS SON DE SONORA JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ Y EL ZUEDO RAMIRES UNO DE NAVOJOA Y EL OTRO DE OBREGON SONORA
@ComaToast1 pernel all nigh🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️🚴♀️
Had it a draw it could of gone either way I see why they gave it to Ramirez, but it was much closer than the judges score cards. Sweet pea clearly won the first 4 or 5 after that Ramirez was taking over. Very close though like I said either way
Agreed--I gave Whitaker the first five, but after that I could only give him one more (the ninth), so wound up with six a piece: 114-114.
Pernell el maratón Whitaker que rápido era. 👑🥊🦁🆚🦁🥊👑
Un
Peleadorazo el surdito de
Huatabampo
Sorry, wasn't big robbery. I had whitaker in almost every round up till 6th, he tired and Ramirez the champ started landing. Whitaker running and being hit look like he was unable to stop ramirez from turning the fight. If you know anything about old school boxing they wont pulk tittle in close fight. Whitaker had better performances, but this one Whitaker blew more then Ramirez won.
dm gmail yes, great point. Whitaker, 115-113. I got to say the fights Whitaker was robbed was very bias. Ok, so he beat Chavez 116-112, at worst 115-113. Chavez 87-0 so I see a draw. Look at Ramirez, he’s stalking and clearly winning 7-10 and 11. Clearly dominated in rematch though.
/@@davidshipman2007 Agreed, but Ramirez was a bit shopworn ..Love Sweat Pea, just sayin...Just.look how many fights Jose already had by this time here...and against guys like Arguello and Rosario, both in their primes, and Mancini, Boza Edwards, and Camacho ..just off the top of my head..These were "wars"....He finished w over 100 fights...Cat was the very definition of "Old School">
One of the few to knock Arguello down when Alexis was in his prime
Peace
I've always felt that way. I remember this fight well and I don't think a man that grab's his opponent by the thigh to avoid fighting deserves a title for it. Whitaker is one of the most overrated, blown up fighter in history. A master at whining and avoiding fights with the best people.
Not only was he robbed, but this is the only one of their two fights that the idiots come out in full force saying that he sucks or that people will remember Ramirez when he’s only known for one fight.
una pelea??? no conoces a Ramirez entonces
@@luiszuniga5990, I know who he is. I also know what happened in the rematch.
@@The_Ex_Boxing_Nerd you don’t know Ramírez at all😂😂
@@Factsoverfeels8 I single handedly put all of his fights on his Wikipedia article. Try again.
No se canso de abrasar le gustaba despedirse mucho
this is how you learn to box...this video right here.
Roger Martin it’s boxing it’s a art not a brawl go watch mma if you want to see to guys just punching each other in the face with no skill
@@boxingfantastic2555 no shit that's why I said what I said about this video...theres no one better to learn from them Parnell Whitaker
robert negron I was talking to the other guy that said learn to run and have no balls not you big dog
@@boxingfantastic2555 my bad, son....sometimes you can't tell who's talking to who.
@Roger Martin you're stupid
Solo digo que si prohibieran los abrazos en el boxeo, y el correr hasta dando la espalda literal, el Boxeo sería otro, nunca hubiera llegado Whitaker, Floyd M. Y muchos correlones más. 2 llamadas de atención y a la 3ra, pierden pelea.
Eso es boxeo, llora.😹
You Mexicans are literally fkd in the heads 🤣🤣
Este no Era boxeador
Reading the comments, there needs to be a separate division for Mexican fighting fans who do not like boxing, but instead prefer 2 people standing flat footed in front of each other, seeing who is the biggest man that can take the most headshots.
Ring magazine called this decision the worst of the decade. And clowns on this thread think Ramirez won.
@Bay Area Boxing pure facts homie
You like runners no fighters
Fu***gn damn ,then go home two runners fight...I rather see
This kinda reminds me of the floyd vs castillo fight
like always mexican coming forward and the american boxing from the outside running around the ring its a craft that americans will die for. its good that ramirez took the win he deserved it more looked for it consistently.
That's not running. That's called boxing. Whittaker outboxed him then got robbed. That's why Whittaker completely outclassed and embarrassed him in the rematch.
Runner
You're Stupid
Qué peleas tan feas daba Whitaker, serán campeones pero mmm no convencen!
Whipped his ass every round. Sugar Ray beat Hagler boxing like this. Refs had some good smoke that day.
Nigga you are stuoid jose beat him just lie hiw halger beat ray
Aldine Westfield what?
Whitaker un peleador marrullero y correlon igual de arrogante y pretencioso que su entrenador Lou Duva. Ramírez definitivamente tiene que estar en el salón de la fama del boxeo,un grande del boxeo de México para el mundo.
Ramirez clearly won, Whitaker ran and hugged most of the fight.