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Why should you have to pay for something that's called "FREEVIEW". The answer is in the name really, and I never watch any of the crap that the BBC put out anyway.
The tories and Murdoch are sadly on the same wavelength when it comes to TV broadcasting. Neither of them like the idea of non subscription TV, so are desperate to abolish it ASAP. Abolishing the licence fee is obviously the way for that to happen. They don't care if the majority of the Uk population can't afford to pay for expensive subscription TV.
I am approaching 79 years years of age and live alone. During lockdown I was encouraged to buy a TV licence (having had free access to all channels for over 2 years). I rarely watch TV because I prefer to be ‘out and about’ and NEVER watch BBC programmes because they do not interest to me. I have not renewed my licence because my viewing time is rare but last year I would occasionally tune into ‘Freeview Channels’. I believe that it is criminal for the BBC to overthrow a decision made by our own Parliament almost 2 decades ago and cannot understand why our current Government have endorsed such action. Robbery is a crime and treated as such.
@@Daisy-tl2lh the BBC are biased towards labour not the Tories. Actually not worth watching any British media news because of their woke left wing researchers.
I'm not sure the BBC should be the subject of your ire here. The introduction of free licences was a purely government policy when Labour were in power, and the cost to the BBC was subsidised by the taxpayer. The Tories for whatever reason decided to push the cost of free licences onto the BBC, who had no part in the introduction thereof. In the general scheme of public spending the cost of subsidising free licences was a drop in the ocean, so really the government of the day should be the ones you blame. In this it's not unlike the current obsession with modish green policies, where the government will decide that your ICE car is bad, and must be replaced by an electric one, and your gas boiler is evil and must replaced by very costly heat pumps. At your expense of course, despite the decision being taken out of your hands.
I laughed when they said *_HD services are expected to continue to be available in standard definition_* Well, if its not HD then the HD service is not continuing. The comment shows that they think the public are stupid, but we are not
As much as being about the BBC, this is also about the long term and inevitable decline of ALL broadcast television. That EE could out bid old style channels shows where things are heading.
If you are a Government and you have two options - terrestrial broadcasters offering a few million or mobile phone networks offering a few hundred million for the same spectrum, who would you sell it to? Money talks and Freeview walks. For HD, all of it in as little as two months time depending on what the BBC does to the PSB3 multiplex and whether they close it alongside COM7.
Due to the area I live in most of these channels don't show up on freeview anyway. Still quite shocking that they are removing all but the standard 5 channels having HD. Not a very good way to sell a service these days when most people have large HD tvs and an SD picture just looks bad when blown up.
Most people with just freeview don't have HD TV's because they can't afford it. You can't watch HD channels on an old SD TV. It doesn't get shown in SD instead of HD on the same channel. Some people are probably watching Freeview on black and white sets.
We don't but they've now removed literally all the good ones off there, e4, film4, rte, itv1 Itv2, e4 extra, adult swim, sky mix sky one, channel 4, kerrang radio, capital, capital Xtra, and about 600 others
And the data will get... ... Will horrify them. As an outdated "legacy" broadcaster, there's no room for the BBCs "general entertainment" format - unchanged since the 60s and 70s, there's no place for them in the world of streaming. Ultimately, the BBC will have to admit that people don't *need* all the rubbish they broadcast, but some people might *want* individual programmes or series. This might be a good thing.
Sounds a bit fishy. Not sure how they can just say “sorry, we sold the frequencies so the channels are gone” rather than having to make tweaks to their system to put the affected channels in a different place. It’s not the sale I mind, it’s the lack of a fix to maintain service. It doesn’t affect me as I don’t watch broadcast tv, but it sounds really odd.
Agreed. I wonder what the real end point is in the mind of those sanctioning these decisions? The default position of the current administration is to minimise/eradicate state funded services of course, so I guess they want pay-per-view or subscription models to replace them. These one-off sales of state owned assets rarely end well in the long run.
The intention is to shut down older mobile networks like 3G, so maybe those frequencies will be reassigned for Freeview to use when that happens. Don't hold your breath though.
There is only so much bandwidth for each multiplex available, to squeeze more channels in you have to reduce the quality (or use a better codec such as H265). To use a different codec they would have to switch out Freeview boxes like they did when Freeview HD came along using H264. That is why older boxes cannot play the HD channels. Besides, compare the picture quality of a lot of the Freeview channels to their Freesat counterparts, would you put up with them even worse? I wouldn't. That and the multiplex they are getting rid of is a temporary one that they have been transmitting this TV on while getting ready for the 5G sale. The public were never destined to keep it.
How does that affect freesat? I imagine there are many thousands, like me, who only use freesat to receive these channels, so it's not exactly a blanket loss of them.
It shouldn't as freesat essentially uses the same satellites as what sky does for the channels so the feeds will remain. The only effects the digital ariel feed. The channels will still exist.
Interesting. My other half lives in the South Hams and the Over-the-Air TV can sometimes be sporadic, depending on weather conditions. She can access the live BBC channels over Iplayer (ie internet) so this is the only option she has for watching BBC HD. You can get some programmes over Iplayer in UHD which is good, and I think this maybe the only option for freeview UHD. Not sure this would work over the standard aerial (it's different for satellite users). I have noticed that BBC4 HD is on a multiplex frequency which is close to the band allocated for future 5G. I bought a loft aerial recently which has a filter to filter out the phone frequencies. It couldn't get BBC 4 HD so I figured it was just a matter of time. Once everything is streaming over the 'net, then we could be heading for pay-per-view for prime content.
Freeview reception where i live is so bad due to 5G interference that most channels are unwatchable, this togeather with the fact that rarely watched any TV, led me to cancel my TV Licence. So if Freeview closed i would't miss it. No licence means no iplayer either, even if it goes to a subsciption service i still don't want it. Far more entertaining things to watch on RUclips than on TV!🙂
I'm an aerial installer and the moving over of the Freeview band is a very major issue to some people. As the aerial system they have been using for years can suddenly have problems with getting the signal at all. And often need a different aerial all together that is less sensitive to the part of the signal that has been switched over to mobile phone use. Adding to cost of getting a good signal
It's quite ironic with all the 4K UHD TV's and even higher resolutions in some cases that the freeview (no idea why they call it freeview when you need a paid licence to watch it legally) platform is going backwards. I better start dusting off my old CRT TV from the 80s at this rate.
Will they abolish the TV licence or force it by stealth (in full or part) into Council Tax or by simply raising a spectrum of other taxes, or simply creating some other 'Fake Tax'.
You are correct. A minority of tech head consumers actually drive the advances, and the rest, like me, ride on their coat tails. I use a bit of a mix of technologies, with a dated TV. I am not even sure what sort of quality I get from a technical perspective. It is good enough.
Actually selling off the frequency for 5G could be a good thing. If the entire country has 5G then the bbc could go online as a subscription based service.
A potentially intelligent reply! Amazing. I read that France has had all its telly over the internet since 2011. Why are we so backward in the UK. Countries like Sri Lanka have faster internet than we do here.
Indeed, quite correct sir and yet you have so few likes compared with the hoards of muppets complaining that they want their CBeebies in HD back. There is a limited number of frequencies and if it is between transmitting television on yet another medium (which actually has quite limited reception) and mobile internet bandwidth, which is completely able to (amongst other things) replace your landline broadband potentially removing you reliance on "monthly line rental" I know where I want it to go. Such a nonsense of a story.... The multiplex was a temporary one, always destined for mobile use anyway!
Arquiva have auctioned off Channel 55 to EE to expand their mobile broadband 5G signals. What I can't understand, is why they cannot switch Freeview to DVB-T2 format transmission for everything, so they don't have to lose those extra services, I would do it and advertise on TV that it's gonna happen and advise viewers to upgrade to new DVB-T2 equipment accordingly, which is widely available, and I'd also push for more channels to go on that platform in HD and scrap the standard definition channels altogether.
The Government auctioned off the frequency too EE for 5G services, so some channels had to move or disappear. The Government allocates the frequencies.
There'll be no freeview channels left once 7G arrives as the government auction off even more freeview frequencies for both 6G and 7G. That's when the tories will probably abolish the licence fee.
Let me get this straight: They've removed some of the frequencies available for licence fee payers (not me!) to watch broadcast TV channels, causing some channels to lose their ability to broadcast or, in other words, they've reduced the licence holder's ability to consume what they are paying for. ...So I take it they'll be reducing the cost of the licence fee to make up for the loss this represents in the value of what is being paid for then? Right? RIGHT?!! (This is just a rhetorical question, BTW; we all know the answer!)
It's not the BBC's decision to remove these channels from Freeview (or rather, the HD versions of these channels). It's the government making Freeview sell off the frequency for mobiles. Apply to the Exchequer for your refund.
@@Thurgosh_OG It's not an offensive comment IMO, so I'm not sure why it's hidden - although I noticed it disappeared. He wrote: _"It's not the BBC's decision to remove these channels from Freeview (or rather, the HD versions of these channels). It's the government making Freeview sell off the frequency for mobiles. Apply to the Exchequer for your refund."_
I see they are getting rid of the 'That's TV' services. These are the local TV services , broadcast in certain areas, down here we have 'That's Solent' although there is not ever much local content on there nowadays! They often just run the the music video streams such as NOW 80s. You can see where I got the idea for my RUclips channel name too!
I don't understand why he thinks only the BBC are poncing off the British public. You can legally NOT pay the tv licence and access other directly payed for streaming services such as Netflix, that he seems to love. In one of his own videos, he said you can watch almost anything without a licence. I don't understand why he's fighting against something he's already CHOSEN not to have!
SD looks very poor on Freeview much worse that of a SD DVD because their compression is so high. SVHS looks better than Freeview so I'm shocked that they are getting rid of the HD channels. I guess users can switch to Freesat though to keep the HD. I remember someone told me who looks after the local TV transmitter that they would be upgrading to 4K soon but that was 7 year ago lol. Never happened
My picture is perfectly clear and the few times, and out of curiosity rather than necessity, I clicked onto the HD version channel I honestly noted very little difference - certainly not enough to get my knickers in a twist because the HD ones might go!!
4K? In Paris maybe but it will never happen in Britain now. Potentially, depending on what the BBC decides regarding the future of HD on Freeview, there may be no HD on digital terrestrial television as early as two months time as the BBC runs the last remaining HD multiplex!
@@jillosler9353 I can easily tell the difference between HD and SD content. Removing HD and going SD only is a step backwards akin to closing down colour broadcasts and going back to black and white.
@@Sco1t19 I guess you are right. If I'm watching The Apprentice and I recognise it's Alan Sugar on screen then that's all I need. The same applies with sound I believe, and whether you need to spend £00s extra on it being 'surround' or are happy that you can hear the words coming out of the mouth that is moving.
Okay so they are removing from the Freeview channels which are BBC which I am paying for as a licence payer. That seems wrong. I’ll be glad when they scrap the bloody thing.
The assumption that everyone is on-line (or wants to be) is erroneous. For example, those who use a trusty CRT TV with a Freeview digibox (that probably encompasses a lot of elderly people) will suffer. Maybe they can't afford whizzy Smart TVs (with a likely shorter shelf life) or an Internet connection, and replacing otherwise functional kit is wasteful. True, the excised channels may be primarily HD, but it could be the thin end of the wedge.
If they have a CRT and digibox then they would be much better off getting a new TV eg SAMSUNG UE32T4300AKXXU 32" Smart HD Ready HDR LED TV @ £179. It would pay for itself in reduced electricity consumption 😃
The problem is, mobile phone networks can easily outbid all the television and radio broadcasters for UHF and VHF frequencies. At that point pretty much everything will be online only because the low frequency analogue radio services won't be financially viable to keep running and the only thing running free-to-air will be shortwave broadcasts from countries that wish to evade censorship online and via satellite and push their ideology into foreign countries where they wish to change minds.
The mess that is 'Freeview' via a tv aerial is the reason I switched to Freesat. More HD channels, better picture quality in a lot of cases, and you know you're going to get all the channels specified, and not just some depending on your area.
Also the dish doesn't have to be high up so long as there is a clear view of the sky . So you can install it yourself with a cheap signal meter if you want to get it bang on reception wise.
So their now charging £159 per year for less without any consultation / warning or reduction! Robbin B's! Does that mean I can now buy a black & white licence to compensate for the difference?
I'm awaiting confirmation but Freeview HD is no longer being used as a brand as of this year, PSB3 which hosts the main five HD channels has not had its licence renewed unlike the other multiplexes because of uncertainty about the future of HD broadcasting on digital terrestrial television and unlike the main SD channels, the HD channels are not protected by Ofcom at a time when the BBC is looking for cuts to its budget. Closing PSB3 alongside COM7's closure must be a tempting option for the BBC. Freeview could become a SD only platform come July. Maybe HD channels only available via streaming on TV's and set-top-boxes or people will be told to go to Freesat and cable if they want HD.
The closure of COM7 affects BBC FOUR HD & BBC News HD (CBeebies HD as well because it is on the same channel as BBC FOUR before 7pm), it definitely won't affect BBC ONE & TWO HD. All of those channels to close also such as Forces TV & Now 80s are free on satellite except That's Music which has launched as a temporary channel on Freeview.
As long as I can choose whether or not to have the BBC then I'm happy, if not I'll probably get rid of the tv and find other things to do with my spare time.
Live in France, have a FreeSat box and yes I occasionally do watch that biased news channel BBC but I don’t specifically choose the HD channel over SD. After all it’s only BBC news
TV licence controls access to any live broadcast TV including Internet and streaming live broadcasts like SKY, not just BBC. Why BBC has this control is an interesting question. It's like having to pay Sainsburys to shop at Waitrose.
I can't remember the last time l saw a Freeview programme that wasn't a repeat or a repeat of a repeat of a repeat of a repeat of a repeat. Close it all down.
This is annoying I enjoy BBC4, Together, Forces TV and some Quest stuff. I haven’t got IPlayer on my TV so looks like I will be cancelling my licence sooner than expected.
@@thebaldconvict they look a damn sight better that the OTA picture quality, when you DVD player up-scales to almost HD quality or your using a blu-ray player.
@@vaughanellis7866 Oh agreed no doubt! The Freeview picture is awful especially on TV's at the sizes we like to have them now. I used to have Freeview at my old house, when I moved I went Freesat instead.
NO LIC T,V, GUIDE. All televisions now come with the Freeview programs menu installed although it's not free as you still need a T.V license to watch the programs. It would solve a lot of confusion for people in regards to watching T,V, with or without a Licence if all T,V,s included a NO LIC TV GUIDE.
There isnt enough the bbc does that would make me want to stream from hem. I pay a license already, and only watch the bbc hd channels when i do watch bbc. Why would i do otherwise, like you say who doesnt have an hd tv? if they hoof the hd channels and go streaming, i probably wouldnt bother.
So elderly people without broadband will have to carry on paying the BBC licence tax for a substand service. The licence is a total rip-off but is cheaper than broadband if not used for anything else. Some people are in a totally no win situation.
Boris does it again, says one thing then goes back on it by doing it anyway. Freeview was setup to give the channels that people wanted and forced companies like Sky to air content for free, Many parts of the BBC model was broken down and moved to their own channel like the ones for kids. To sell off bandwidth that is clearly needed to fill this demand is disgusting. Thankfully I don't watch TV (mostly boring reality crap and soaps)
In my opinion, the whole HD vs SD TV business model is so 2007. When will companies and channels simply make 720p or 1080p HD the new standard? Nearly a third of households in the U.K. use satellite services or high-speed fibre broadband as it's becoming far more affordable and reliable nowadays. Nearly everyone has 16:9 HD TV's anyway! Make HD the new default and find a new TV business model in which to make money.
I haven't watched more than 15 hours of TV on anything bigger than a 16 inch screen in the last 12 years. And I can't tell the difference between Hd and SD on our 36 inch TV which has 720p/1080p max capability.
Freeview BBC "Haitch Dee" Channels to go! But if we could ban all BBC Channels from Freeview maybe it would become actually Free. As Freeview isn't Free as you require a TV Licence to view🤦🏻♂️
Freesat has HD the BBC want people to forget about satellite services, because they know that terrestrial television is a waste of bandwidth, it's already time to end the BBC and broadcast television. I don't watch any including catch up services. It's time to scrap broadcast television it's not necessary and it's a waste of energy, programs can be distributed by satellite a free satellite box when you can't afford the BBC licence, satellite will be extinct when everybody can stream. All soapy was time for you to ask this after you need a TV licence probably not watching live broadcast television, anyway. Is probably the other way round here and will people pay licence who don't have too.
Free view but you still need a TV licence so not really free view. Now they are talking away some channels if you have free view you should get a discount as you are not getting the full service.
Changes are coming to Freeview because of a frequency change, this means some bbc channels are getting deleted from the service.
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Sounds a bit like more damage control to me. They're feeling the squeeze folks. Keep the cancellations coming!
Indeed.
Correct. Defund 👍
Why should you have to pay for something that's called "FREEVIEW". The answer is in the name really, and I never watch any of the crap that the BBC put out anyway.
thats a very good point
The tories and Murdoch are sadly on the same wavelength when it comes to TV broadcasting. Neither of them like the idea of non subscription TV, so are desperate to abolish it ASAP. Abolishing the licence fee is obviously the way for that to happen.
They don't care if the majority of the Uk population can't afford to pay for expensive subscription TV.
As with everything, its always the poorest in society that get affected by these decisions.
if you dont pay its free for everyone unless the poor are thick!!
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Tories desperate to turn the BBC into subscription service. That would destroy Freeview.
Yes ...the poorest quality of cultures...fuck the UK long live Irish Native america
I am approaching 79 years years of age and live alone. During lockdown I was encouraged to buy a TV licence (having had free access to all channels for over 2 years). I rarely watch TV because I prefer to be ‘out and about’ and NEVER watch BBC programmes because they do not interest to me. I have not renewed my licence because my viewing time is rare but last year I would occasionally tune into ‘Freeview Channels’. I believe that it is criminal for the BBC to overthrow a decision made by our own Parliament almost 2 decades ago and cannot understand why our current Government have endorsed such action. Robbery is a crime and treated as such.
It is the BBC that refused to continue with Free TV licences for over 75s.
all the time the bbc remains the mouthpiece for this conservative govt they will get away with doing as they want!
@@Daisy-tl2lh the BBC are biased towards labour not the Tories. Actually not worth watching any British media news because of their woke left wing researchers.
I'm not sure the BBC should be the subject of your ire here. The introduction of free licences was a purely government policy when Labour were in power, and the cost to the BBC was subsidised by the taxpayer. The Tories for whatever reason decided to push the cost of free licences onto the BBC, who had no part in the introduction thereof. In the general scheme of public spending the cost of subsidising free licences was a drop in the ocean, so really the government of the day should be the ones you blame.
In this it's not unlike the current obsession with modish green policies, where the government will decide that your ICE car is bad, and must be replaced by an electric one, and your gas boiler is evil and must replaced by very costly heat pumps. At your expense of course, despite the decision being taken out of your hands.
Stop watching and stop paying - you will not miss it at all.
I laughed when they said *_HD services are expected to continue to be available in standard definition_* Well, if its not HD then the HD service is not continuing. The comment shows that they think the public are stupid, but we are not
I bet this has happened because many like me don’t pay for a tv licence. 😀
Me neither, I don't watch it. They can poke their licence fee 😊
@@shanksre6186 I Couldn’t of put it better myself.
@@InCornwall The BBC used to be a point of pride for the nation. I now can't wait for its demise. Bunch of melts.
And I bet it hasn't. How much are we putting on it?
If there weren't so many silly +1 channels there's be no shortage of space.
BBC --- ROT IN HELL "
I want that on a T-shirt.
As much as being about the BBC, this is also about the long term and inevitable decline of ALL broadcast television. That EE could out bid old style channels shows where things are heading.
EE is BT, don't forget. That said, I read that France has had all its telly over the internet since 2011. Go figure.
You will live in a pod and be happy
If you are a Government and you have two options - terrestrial broadcasters offering a few million or mobile phone networks offering a few hundred million for the same spectrum, who would you sell it to? Money talks and Freeview walks. For HD, all of it in as little as two months time depending on what the BBC does to the PSB3 multiplex and whether they close it alongside COM7.
Very worrying for the future of FTA TV in the UK.
That will be a good thing for all of us, no BBC, for us that don't ever watch it
I do not watch the BBC at all. Who the hell wants to watch state propaganda?
Spot on 👍
Not me bbc can do the other thing
guilt ridden wokeists
Wife watches Doctors and Eastenders. Sad I know, but no licence so who cares...
Clemo Benoit, change your name, BBC r watching
with thousands of people canceling bbc license,what makes them think we will pay for them online.
Due to the area I live in most of these channels don't show up on freeview anyway. Still quite shocking that they are removing all but the standard 5 channels having HD. Not a very good way to sell a service these days when most people have large HD tvs and an SD picture just looks bad when blown up.
Most people with just freeview don't have HD TV's because they can't afford it. You can't watch HD channels on an old SD TV. It doesn't get shown in SD instead of HD on the same channel.
Some people are probably watching Freeview on black and white sets.
The only program I watched on the BBC is match of the day but the way my team is playing I don't watch that anymore good luck with your campaign John
Wouldn't it be funny if no-one cared about loosing BBC from freeview lol
We don't but they've now removed literally all the good ones off there, e4, film4, rte, itv1 Itv2, e4 extra, adult swim, sky mix sky one, channel 4, kerrang radio, capital, capital Xtra, and about 600 others
And the data will get...
... Will horrify them.
As an outdated "legacy" broadcaster, there's no room for the BBCs "general entertainment" format - unchanged since the 60s and 70s, there's no place for them in the world of streaming. Ultimately, the BBC will have to admit that people don't *need* all the rubbish they broadcast, but some people might *want* individual programmes or series.
This might be a good thing.
Not Forces TV and That’s TV, couldn’t care less about the bbc but not those 2
Sounds a bit fishy. Not sure how they can just say “sorry, we sold the frequencies so the channels are gone” rather than having to make tweaks to their system to put the affected channels in a different place. It’s not the sale I mind, it’s the lack of a fix to maintain service.
It doesn’t affect me as I don’t watch broadcast tv, but it sounds really odd.
Agreed. I wonder what the real end point is in the mind of those sanctioning these decisions? The default position of the current administration is to minimise/eradicate state funded services of course, so I guess they want pay-per-view or subscription models to replace them. These one-off sales of state owned assets rarely end well in the long run.
The intention is to shut down older mobile networks like 3G, so maybe those frequencies will be reassigned for Freeview to use when that happens. Don't hold your breath though.
@@ShanghaiRooster Good suggestion, but I note your caveat too.
There is only so much bandwidth for each multiplex available, to squeeze more channels in you have to reduce the quality (or use a better codec such as H265).
To use a different codec they would have to switch out Freeview boxes like they did when Freeview HD came along using H264. That is why older boxes cannot play the HD channels.
Besides, compare the picture quality of a lot of the Freeview channels to their Freesat counterparts, would you put up with them even worse? I wouldn't.
That and the multiplex they are getting rid of is a temporary one that they have been transmitting this TV on while getting ready for the 5G sale. The public were never destined to keep it.
Again BBC, 40 years out of date! !! But pay at 2022 prices, please enough, !!!
Everyone should be given the option of opting out of their services and avoiding the
licence fee....
PC brigade and women's football !
2 years on, I’ve finally received my friendly green letter “It’s time to check”
Looking forward to the red threatening ones. 😂
Don't get too excited it's the same old cr@p just a different coloured ink 😉
How does that affect freesat? I imagine there are many thousands, like me, who only use freesat to receive these channels, so it's not exactly a blanket loss of them.
It shouldn't as freesat essentially uses the same satellites as what sky does for the channels so the feeds will remain. The only effects the digital ariel feed. The channels will still exist.
chop all BBC channels 4 me. saves me having to delete em at retunes.
The BBC bullies at it again.!
It was the government that sold the frequencies not the BBC. Chat to your MP about it.
Well me, I don't have a HD TV, and there's not even an ariel on the place. They can stuff their letters where the sun doesn't shine.
Interesting. My other half lives in the South Hams and the Over-the-Air TV can sometimes be sporadic, depending on weather conditions. She can access the live BBC channels over Iplayer (ie internet) so this is the only option she has for watching BBC HD.
You can get some programmes over Iplayer in UHD which is good, and I think this maybe the only option for freeview UHD. Not sure this would work over the standard aerial (it's different for satellite users).
I have noticed that BBC4 HD is on a multiplex frequency which is close to the band allocated for future 5G. I bought a loft aerial recently which has a filter to filter out the phone frequencies. It couldn't get BBC 4 HD so I figured it was just a matter of time.
Once everything is streaming over the 'net, then we could be heading for pay-per-view for prime content.
They'll also be able to harvest your IP address and possibly match it to whether you pay the tax at your home address.
You don't need super fast broadband to stream.
You need broadband though so it's not completely free.
Don't care about the BBC channels, they won't be missed, but losing Quest HD and some of the others is not so good.
Oh how sad . Heart broken
Freeview reception where i live is so bad due to 5G interference that most channels are unwatchable,
this togeather with the fact that rarely watched any TV, led me to cancel my TV Licence.
So if Freeview closed i would't miss it.
No licence means no iplayer either, even if it goes to a subsciption service i still don't want it.
Far more entertaining things to watch on RUclips than on TV!🙂
I'm an aerial installer and the moving over of the Freeview band is a very major issue to some people. As the aerial system they have been using for years can suddenly have problems with getting the signal at all. And often need a different aerial all together that is less sensitive to the part of the signal that has been switched over to mobile phone use. Adding to cost of getting a good signal
Not worried about HD even though we have an HD tv
BUT ALL STILL AVAILABLE ON FREESAT!!
It's quite ironic with all the 4K UHD TV's and even higher resolutions in some cases that the freeview (no idea why they call it freeview when you need a paid licence to watch it legally) platform is going backwards. I better start dusting off my old CRT TV from the 80s at this rate.
I've got freevuew but still don't watch bbc and wouldn't don't watch propaganda
Poncing,great summing up of the BBC in one definitive word.
Will they abolish the TV licence or force it by stealth (in full or part) into Council Tax or by simply raising a spectrum of other taxes, or simply creating some other 'Fake Tax'.
Freeview would be gone if the tories abolish the TV licence.
use iPlayer with no licence and they'll be onto you, probably why they are doing it, also can't see this affecting Freesat 👊🏻
Most people couldn't care less if they are watching something in HD or SD.
You are correct. A minority of tech head consumers actually drive the advances, and the rest, like me, ride on their coat tails.
I use a bit of a mix of technologies, with a dated TV. I am not even sure what sort of quality I get from a technical perspective. It is good enough.
Local channels are not always available in HD so it keeps people watching SD even if they don't want to.
I have stopped watching all freeview tv and what a relief no adverts shouting in your face every 10 minutes !
So pretty much the cutdown service "free view light" that some regions get today. FOR THE FULL LICENSE FEE
I look forward to receiving my share if the proceeds, I await the cheque in the post bbc!!
They will find out which of their woke output is watchable; precious little I would imagine.
Actually selling off the frequency for 5G could be a good thing. If the entire country has 5G then the bbc could go online as a subscription based service.
A potentially intelligent reply! Amazing. I read that France has had all its telly over the internet since 2011. Why are we so backward in the UK. Countries like Sri Lanka have faster internet than we do here.
Indeed, quite correct sir and yet you have so few likes compared with the hoards of muppets complaining that they want their CBeebies in HD back.
There is a limited number of frequencies and if it is between transmitting television on yet another medium (which actually has quite limited reception) and mobile internet bandwidth, which is completely able to (amongst other things) replace your landline broadband potentially removing you reliance on "monthly line rental" I know where I want it to go.
Such a nonsense of a story.... The multiplex was a temporary one, always destined for mobile use anyway!
HD channels only broadcast at previously normal quality while non HD are so poor at times that they are unwatchable!
Arquiva have auctioned off Channel 55 to EE to expand their mobile broadband 5G signals.
What I can't understand, is why they cannot switch Freeview to DVB-T2 format transmission for everything, so they don't have to lose those extra services, I would do it and advertise on TV that it's gonna happen and advise viewers to upgrade to new DVB-T2 equipment accordingly, which is widely available, and I'd also push for more channels to go on that platform in HD and scrap the standard definition channels altogether.
I can't use freeview no more
recently went licence free thanks to you're channel,so no problem for me I'm happy to say.keep up the great work.
The Government auctioned off the frequency too EE for 5G services, so some channels had to move or disappear.
The Government allocates the frequencies.
There'll be no freeview channels left once 7G arrives as the government auction off even more freeview frequencies for both 6G and 7G. That's when the tories will probably abolish the licence fee.
Let me get this straight: They've removed some of the frequencies available for licence fee payers (not me!) to watch broadcast TV channels, causing some channels to lose their ability to broadcast or, in other words, they've reduced the licence holder's ability to consume what they are paying for.
...So I take it they'll be reducing the cost of the licence fee to make up for the loss this represents in the value of what is being paid for then? Right? RIGHT?!!
(This is just a rhetorical question, BTW; we all know the answer!)
It's not the BBC's decision to remove these channels from Freeview (or rather, the HD versions of these channels). It's the government making Freeview sell off the frequency for mobiles. Apply to the Exchequer for your refund.
@@ShanghaiRooster Where did I even mention the BBC - let alone claim it was their decision?
@@cargy930 Rooster comment is hidden, what did they say, if you don't mind?
@@Thurgosh_OG It's not an offensive comment IMO, so I'm not sure why it's hidden - although I noticed it disappeared. He wrote:
_"It's not the BBC's decision to remove these channels from Freeview (or rather, the HD versions of these channels). It's the government making Freeview sell off the frequency for mobiles. Apply to the Exchequer for your refund."_
@@cargy930 Looks like I got shadow banned, as the comment is still visible for me.
I see they are getting rid of the 'That's TV' services. These are the local TV services , broadcast in certain areas, down here we have 'That's Solent' although there is not ever much local content on there nowadays! They often just run the the music video streams such as NOW 80s.
You can see where I got the idea for my RUclips channel name too!
I don't understand why he thinks only the BBC are poncing off the British public. You can legally NOT pay the tv licence and access other directly payed for streaming services such as Netflix, that he seems to love. In one of his own videos, he said you can watch almost anything without a licence. I don't understand why he's fighting against something he's already CHOSEN not to have!
He's fighting the injustice of having to pay the BBC to watch live commercial tv.
£400.000 a year for Stephen Nolan ......Unbelievable
We have fresh flowers where our TV used to be,much better to look at.
All part of the "reset" now shutting down/restricting public entertainment
SD looks very poor on Freeview much worse that of a SD DVD because their compression is so high. SVHS looks better than Freeview so I'm shocked that they are getting rid of the HD channels. I guess users can switch to Freesat though to keep the HD. I remember someone told me who looks after the local TV transmitter that they would be upgrading to 4K soon but that was 7 year ago lol. Never happened
My picture is perfectly clear and the few times, and out of curiosity rather than necessity, I clicked onto the HD version channel I honestly noted very little difference - certainly not enough to get my knickers in a twist because the HD ones might go!!
@@jillosler9353 I Guess it depends on the person. Some people don't notice how bad something looks
4K? In Paris maybe but it will never happen in Britain now. Potentially, depending on what the BBC decides regarding the future of HD on Freeview, there may be no HD on digital terrestrial television as early as two months time as the BBC runs the last remaining HD multiplex!
@@jillosler9353 I can easily tell the difference between HD and SD content. Removing HD and going SD only is a step backwards akin to closing down colour broadcasts and going back to black and white.
@@Sco1t19 I guess you are right. If I'm watching The Apprentice and I recognise it's Alan Sugar on screen then that's all I need. The same applies with sound I believe, and whether you need to spend £00s extra on it being 'surround' or are happy that you can hear the words coming out of the mouth that is moving.
Okay so they are removing from the Freeview channels which are BBC which I am paying for as a licence payer.
That seems wrong.
I’ll be glad when they scrap the bloody thing.
The assumption that everyone is on-line (or wants to be) is erroneous.
For example, those who use a trusty CRT TV with a Freeview digibox (that probably encompasses a lot of elderly people) will suffer. Maybe they can't afford whizzy Smart TVs (with a likely shorter shelf life) or an Internet connection, and replacing otherwise functional kit is wasteful. True, the excised channels may be primarily HD, but it could be the thin end of the wedge.
If they have a CRT and digibox then they would be much better off getting a new TV eg SAMSUNG UE32T4300AKXXU 32" Smart HD Ready HDR LED TV @ £179. It would pay for itself in reduced electricity consumption 😃
The problem is, mobile phone networks can easily outbid all the television and radio broadcasters for UHF and VHF frequencies. At that point pretty much everything will be online only because the low frequency analogue radio services won't be financially viable to keep running and the only thing running free-to-air will be shortwave broadcasts from countries that wish to evade censorship online and via satellite and push their ideology into foreign countries where they wish to change minds.
The mess that is 'Freeview' via a tv aerial is the reason I switched to Freesat. More HD channels, better picture quality in a lot of cases, and you know you're going to get all the channels specified, and not just some depending on your area.
Also the dish doesn't have to be high up so long as there is a clear view of the sky . So you can install it yourself with a cheap signal meter if you want to get it bang on reception wise.
So their now charging £159 per year for less without any consultation / warning or reduction! Robbin B's! Does that mean I can now buy a black & white licence to compensate for the difference?
No sweat, no licence, no care...
Who does not have an HD TV these days... Ummmmm... ME! LOL!
“Who doesn’t have a HD TV?” Me. I know I’m the exception to the rule.
I'm awaiting confirmation but Freeview HD is no longer being used as a brand as of this year, PSB3 which hosts the main five HD channels has not had its licence renewed unlike the other multiplexes because of uncertainty about the future of HD broadcasting on digital terrestrial television and unlike the main SD channels, the HD channels are not protected by Ofcom at a time when the BBC is looking for cuts to its budget. Closing PSB3 alongside COM7's closure must be a tempting option for the BBC.
Freeview could become a SD only platform come July. Maybe HD channels only available via streaming on TV's and set-top-boxes or people will be told to go to Freesat and cable if they want HD.
This should not surprise people.
I turned off *all* Freeview channels, over 12 years ago.
Did you say BBC streaming it should be screaming 🤭😉👍
I couldn't tell the difference with the SD and HD channels. And I have an HD TV. They should cut all of the HD channels, its completely pointless.
The closure of COM7 affects BBC FOUR HD & BBC News HD (CBeebies HD as well because it is on the same channel as BBC FOUR before 7pm), it definitely won't affect BBC ONE & TWO HD. All of those channels to close also such as Forces TV & Now 80s are free on satellite except That's Music which has launched as a temporary channel on Freeview.
No TV, no licence, no free view, who cares? Not me, stuff the bbc, get a life!
As long as I can choose whether or not to have the BBC then I'm happy, if not I'll probably get rid of the tv and find other things to do with my spare time.
Live in France, have a FreeSat box and yes I occasionally do watch that biased news channel BBC but I don’t specifically choose the HD channel over SD. After all it’s only BBC news
If watching the BBC is not compulsory, then there is no moral need to pay them anything for not watching it.
TV licence controls access to any live broadcast TV including Internet and streaming live broadcasts like SKY, not just BBC. Why BBC has this control is an interesting question. It's like having to pay Sainsburys to shop at Waitrose.
Massive loss there then. And they already know how many people are watching their channels.
They still not coming in my house, if they bring cops you will have a good story lol, violence is golden🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I can't remember the last time l saw a Freeview programme that wasn't a repeat or a repeat of a repeat of a repeat of a repeat of a repeat. Close it all down.
This is annoying I enjoy BBC4, Together, Forces TV and some Quest stuff. I haven’t got IPlayer on my TV so looks like I will be cancelling my licence sooner than expected.
Makes no difference to me as I do not watch the HD channels, I only watch DVD's in HD because the supposed HD TV channels are not full HD.
DVD's aren't HD either.
@@thebaldconvict they look a damn sight better that the OTA picture quality, when you DVD player up-scales to almost HD quality or your using a blu-ray player.
@@vaughanellis7866 Oh agreed no doubt!
The Freeview picture is awful especially on TV's at the sizes we like to have them now.
I used to have Freeview at my old house, when I moved I went Freesat instead.
You'll still be able to watch all these channels on Freesat unless those frequncies are being sold off by the government.
NO LIC T,V, GUIDE. All televisions now come with the Freeview programs menu installed although it's not free as you still need a T.V license to watch the programs. It would solve a lot of confusion for people in regards to watching T,V, with or without a Licence if all T,V,s included a NO LIC TV GUIDE.
I think the government sold the frequencies, not the BBC. Not that I ever actually watch TV...
Denim shirts are back in!? Sweet I can dig mine out now
They want you to pay for less. Theif.
It would be no loss to humankind as a whole.
There isnt enough the bbc does that would make me want to stream from hem. I pay a license already, and only watch the bbc hd channels when i do watch bbc. Why would i do otherwise, like you say who doesnt have an hd tv? if they hoof the hd channels and go streaming, i probably wouldnt bother.
Would Freeview remove their News please!
So elderly people without broadband will have to carry on paying the BBC licence tax for a substand service. The licence is a total rip-off but is cheaper than broadband if not used for anything else. Some people are in a totally no win situation.
Boris does it again, says one thing then goes back on it by doing it anyway. Freeview was setup to give the channels that people wanted and forced companies like Sky to air content for free, Many parts of the BBC model was broken down and moved to their own channel like the ones for kids. To sell off bandwidth that is clearly needed to fill this demand is disgusting. Thankfully I don't watch TV (mostly boring reality crap and soaps)
ALL of these channels are STILL AVAILABLE - just not duplicated with HD. The difference is negligible.
@@jillosler9353 Freesports and Forces TV are only available on HD though.
No BBC FTA = No Freeview.
But I thought the whole reason they can’t go subscription only is because not everyone has internet access… so… which is it?
I’m more concerned about Quest HD is getting turned off !
In my opinion, the whole HD vs SD TV business model is so 2007. When will companies and channels simply make 720p or 1080p HD the new standard? Nearly a third of households in the U.K. use satellite services or high-speed fibre broadband as it's becoming far more affordable and reliable nowadays. Nearly everyone has 16:9 HD TV's anyway! Make HD the new default and find a new TV business model in which to make money.
You've seen what happened to CNN+😂😂😂
And nothing of value will be lost.
I haven't watched more than 15 hours of TV on anything bigger than a 16 inch screen in the last 12 years. And I can't tell the difference between Hd and SD on our 36 inch TV which has 720p/1080p max capability.
Don't panic, they'll all still be there on FreeSat.
I've only got Freeview, not Freesat!!
I only watch sky like 70s 80 s music 🎵
Freeview BBC "Haitch Dee" Channels to go!
But if we could ban all BBC Channels from Freeview maybe it would become actually Free. As Freeview isn't Free as you require a TV Licence to view🤦🏻♂️
Freesat has HD the BBC want people to forget about satellite services, because they know that terrestrial television is a waste of bandwidth, it's already time to end the BBC and broadcast television. I don't watch any including catch up services.
It's time to scrap broadcast television it's not necessary and it's a waste of energy, programs can be distributed by satellite a free satellite box when you can't afford the BBC licence, satellite will be extinct when everybody can stream.
All soapy was time for you to ask this after you need a TV licence probably not watching live broadcast television, anyway.
Is probably the other way round here and will people pay licence who don't have too.
Free view but you still need a TV licence so not really free view. Now they are talking away some channels if you have free view you should get a discount as you are not getting the full service.