My Adi tribe ( Arunachal Pradesh, India ) have stories of huge Ape , we called it Aputumpu . It was said to be so huge they walked across bamboo house . It is even sang about in folk song and according to the song the year our ancestors coexisted with Aputumpu was around 9000 years ago
And I saw a video on RUclips that told of a hairy human like creature running through the jungle, beating up US soldiers with fists during the Vietnam war. Reminded me of Apom. My mom is Adi.
@@riichobamin7612 sounds like someone heard Vietnam vets talking about the Rock Apes and then just made up a story that "sounds like" the one story he heard. Vietnam vets often tell about "rock apes", mid-sized primates which would occasionally get peeved and throw rocks at patrols and FOBs. The descriptions given don't match any known primate in the area, which is perplexing because the stories are consistent, mundane, and sometimes vets don't even realize that their "animal encounter" is considered a cryptid.
One thing that is interesting about Gigantopithecus from a crypozoological perspective is that we have this presumably very large animal that was around until fairly recently in geological terms, but it's only known from a handful of teeth and some jaw fragments. It makes one wonder what other species just aren't showing up in the fossil record. It also makes one wonder why Gigantopithecus itself is so much rarer in the fossil record than many other species... Maybe it was just never a very common animal in the environment? Or maybe there was something about its own behaviour that made its remains less likely to be fossilized?
@@ryantrott4802If they had the technology to do strong enough flame and heat to cremate then there would’ve been evidence found of structures and devices used for that end. There are no signs or trails that would suggest that, nor that there has lived an animal that are close to human intellect being capable of such acts.
When they did find those teeth, weren't the Chinese grinding them into powder for medicinal purposes, but as dragon teeth? Maybe a lot of their remains were put to use in such ways and that's why not as many.
@@Macop I think he suggested the possibility that they mightve kept out of swamps or only lived on certain soil making fossilisation difficult and not that they invented cremation
Yep. "Hey! Look at this tooth!! These animals were social, they ate this, not that, they weighed X amount, and they were THIS tall!" All from a tooth and a jaw bone portion. Come on, Man!
I personally believe there's got to be fully intact skeleton somewhere in either India and Nepal. It's just been sitting inside a mountain undisturbed for hundreds of thousands of years
Really like your videos, subscribed from your thylacine video. You should double check your weight estimate for this one, it’s just not feasible. A Siberian tiger weighs 600-650 on high end, a great ape of that size would weigh far more.
Amazing video!! I really enjoyed and paleontology history. Also that you touch on the hypothesis of the existence of Bigfoot. I'm still skeptical but did have a strange experience once, where I was getting large rocks thrown at me while hiking (solo) and a tree 'pushed' over next to my camp. Still don't really have an answer
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There were some other previous species of Gigantopithecus, notably G. giganteus and G. bilaspurensis, but these have been synonymised with Indopithecus, another large ape similar to Gigantopithecus from the Miocene
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I'm more of the mind that it was tri-pedal. Not because of any scientific ideas or education or observation, but because of how hilarious it looks when i picture a 4 story tall ape trying to lumber around on 3 legs.
It is rather unlikely they walked upright, it would be a reverse of the evolutional path they followed.... ( mmm bad phrasing), the pongidae decent from Miocene apes that had an upright gait when living in the trees and because the hands were addapted to grasping brances once on the ground they could not walk quadruped like a baboon, they evolved into knucklewalkers. the hominide ancesters once unable to support weight by holding brances had a change in the pelvis that supported the weight better then the pelvis of gorilla's and chimps does. Homide ancesters never were knucklewalkers in spite of what is tradional believed. Being bigger and heavier than their closest relatives- the orangutans- Gigantopithecus were even more depended on knucklewalking.
AN OBSERVATION: how much have researchers factored in the giantism phenomenon? In very large animals, the proportions of extremities like hands, feet, lower face, and TOOTH SIZE are greater in relation to overall size compared to smaller comparative species. So, while still gigantic, Gigantopithecus may have been a more "modest" 8-9ft tall. But even then, while we don't know its overall robustness, it would've weighed considerably more than 300kg. The largest gorilla in the wild ever found weighed 588lbs (265kg), and was 6ft tall. That was its "wild weight." Even a less robust Gigantopithecus would've likely weighed much more than that, even with my reduced height estimate of 8ft.
I am going to chime in real quick on the "it could be bigfoot" part in the video. I've have two encounters with a Bigfoot (or Bigfoots) and the issue I have with this notion that folks bring up being related to Giganto is that Giganto lived in a denses forest environment. So do bigfoots, however the only way the could travel to north America from the tropics of Southeast Asia is during the Pleistiocene era or very cold dry period. The Land bridge to north America was nothing more than Polar desert and steppe land without trees. I've always found it hard to believe that a primate like creature which spends that much time in dense forests would migrate across thousands of miles of barren land in the north (basically tundra) to find a new home in the forests of North America. Bigfoots to me seem to be something much different. I wish one day we had a full Giganto skeleton.. Would be great to look at and learn from.
Current studies suggest that Giganto was an herbivore with a preference for fruits and leaves, which... yeah, doesn't really make me think it'd handle a long hike through relatively barren, frozen terrain. Bigfoot, on the other hand, is reported as being an omnivore with a diet more like that of black and brown bears. I could see Giganto having an as-yet-undiscovered relative from the same time period, something that was more of a generalist, that persisted to become modern Bigfoot (or comparable cryptids) but Giganto itself? Seems unlikely. It's worth mentioning that because primates tend to live in areas where bodies break down quite rapidly, their remains are less likely to fossilize than those of animals that live in very cold or very dry places. Hell, we only have a handful of chimp fossils, all discovered in the last decade or two. I'm sure there are plenty of primate species that we haven't found fossils from, and some we probably never will, just because of how rare it is for something to fossilize in the first place and then to survive to the modern day and then to be located by someone who realizes what it is. And even if all those criteria are met, then that fossil has to end up in a collection where it will be studied, instead of being sold to a private owner or used in traditional medicine.
I think you will find that the spread of most animals is not in their own term 'Migration' but because of territorial issues ...individuals seeking new ground and each generation being forced to find new spaces.....and safe ones
I've had a couple sightings too, along with all the High strangeness that goes with it. There's a lot more going on to this phenomenon, then just some long-lost descended of Gigantopithecus Blackie or some 9-foot Relic hominoid/apeman running around the woods North America and other places. It goes much deeper down the rabbit hole then that. There's very much a paranormal aspect to this phenomenon.
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Finding DNA in this, or a new fossil discovery of the species would be great! Except any "Juracaic Park" type clones would be too big for even gorillas to give birth to.
@@theobserver9131 True. I forgot about those, but then you have a gigantic juvenile delinquent blaming his mother for being emotionally unavailable. Nobody wants that. ;)
That's not a giant ape! This is a giant ape......In 1980 I saw a 20 year old Congo Silverback gorilla in the Lisbon, Portugal zoo. That gorilla weighed 850 lbs or 386.36.... kilos. It was a perfect specimen of a silverback. While standing with hands on the floor it was close to 6 feet tall ! I stood out of reach, as it was right up at the 1'inch metal bars of it's cage, and Its arms were bigger than a body-builders legs,(It had much smaller legs as usual though). And we were almost eye to eye! Its head was at least 14 - 18 inches from chin to crown. Since that day I became very interested in Mountain Gorillas, and to this day the biggest specimen in the wild, represented in documentaries , etc., has only weighed 650 lbs or just under 300 kilos!!
Specimen? That's a very cold way to describe an amazing animal and one of our closest relatives. The Lisbon zoo is not great. I feel sorry this wonderful animal was there.
@@carolmayhardie "Specimen? That's a very cold way to describe an amazing animal and one of our closest relatives." classic dumb anthropocentric viewpoint. Whats so special about close relatives? if anything it was just a unlucky wording, "individual" would be less "cold" if you want. "specimen" generally refers to museum/exhibition/collections. most likely deceased. On the other hand "being a specimen of x" is also used as praise.
Why? Can't see any particular reason why the tax payer should be coughing up for such fringe research. Although I can see why the 'special people' might be creaming their knickers dreaming of such fancies.
@@eltaffyrip3800 paleontology and anthropology are hardly fringe research, and it appears you misunderstand how academic funding works, and where all the capital comes from. There's more to funding research than taxing people. Private investment, government grants, lottery funding, and the reallocation of existing resources are just a few of the ways research can be funded and pursued. What you perceive as fanciful is in reality and important field that has been tragically neglected, especially considering how important the miniscule fossil remains of primates that we have is, considering how massively the knowledge derived from said remains impacts our perspective of humanity today, biologically and anthropologically.
@@harveymedlicott-revell7069 Keep yourself to the specifics will you. Am well aware research funding can be sourced in a variety of ways, but to seriously suggest that a government should or that lottery funding be directed towards a fairly specialised branch of science when budgets are already stretched to breaking point. Should you feel able to persuade private industry/foundation/wealthy individual of the importance of miniscule fossils then go fill your boots, otherwise you're simply talking bollo.
@@eltaffyrip3800 You're mixing up your feelings to a subject which you have little to no respect if and evidently know very little about both in its form and functionality, with the reality that topics smaller and similar to this have gone through established channels of funding application and received it. Though sway is weighted towards subjects that provide benefits (economically and/or through notoriety) to any potential investor or institution's status. For example, when a skeleton of a reputedly large marine reptile was found in England recently, the dig site was subject to all kinds of funding and in kind support, resulting in an excavation which wrapped up in record time because the subject (though not uncommon in its taxonomy) was unusually large and garnered fame from news sources and was championed by the Universities involved in its retreival, and so this palaeontological discovery was funded quickly. A skeleton of its kind (genus/species archetype) is a common site in England, with fragments (small fossil remains) being found by the general public often, taken away as keepsakes etc, taken away from potential study, however this time because qualified palaeontologists campaigned and were funded to retrieve the specimen, the subject could be studied, and from it new discoveries of not only the animal itself were found, but geological and geographical discoveries which bolster the understanding of the area it was found in for the 10s of millions of years it remained there. This could lead to advancements in chemistry, geo-engineering, climate and ecological studies and beyond. Placing the same logic on gigantopothecus, just because tiny fragments of their fossils were poached and sold in Asian Markets, largely out of sight of the scientific community, doesn't mean the topic should be abandoned, the potential for discoveries in that branch of paleo-anthropology is immense and is worth looking into. Despite any stigma some academics or institutions may hold towards it, and despite opinions such as your own which suggest there is no benefits to this research because you can not put aside your preconvictions long enough to understand them. This is my last response and I urge you to reconsider your opinion and look into the breakthroughs made as a result of paleontology and anthropology.
I think there is another, slightly smaller species of Gigantopithecus whose fossils have been found further South than G. blackei. I can't recall the species name at the moment though, and I believe there was some debate as to whether it was really a separate species or just juvenile specimens that had been found, accounting for the smaller size. Since only fragments were found it was hard to age the specimens accurately.
The jaw displayed in your video is an Ungulate jaw.Narrow with minimal incisors for cutting vegetation and molars for grinding. Moreover an absence of "canine" pointed teeth. There is 0 possibility this jaw is of ape of anytime and doesn't meet the level of even speculation.
@@wildworld6264 I liked that you weren't concerned with asking the questions that have made some uncomfortable in regards to a connection with the Sasquatch. You shouldn't be afraid to ask the questions. If you can't ask questions you'll never be able to tease out any answers.
There's NO WAY that a massive ape would only weigh 200-300kg while standing 10ft tall or taller. It would have to have been much heavier, massing as much as a grizzly or more, since the height estimates make it as tall or taller than a Polar bear.
Your opinion is baseless. The height and build is highly speculative due to scarce remains. 200-300kg is well within the parameters of a medium build ape at 8'+
@@Dr.IanPlect : you're kidding, right, "Doctor." Within the "parameters" of large ape physiology, and the parameters of giantess, studied as far back as da Vinci, I think I'm a lot closer than you are, Sir. But to each his own.
Because they are an ancient human like people. Dr Melba Ketchums Sasquatch Genome Project obtained 110 samples and the controversial results were human female unknown male.
some of them are. any time three toed tracks are found it is a giant sloth, not a primate. best example is the fouke monster. also seems to be common in central canada.
I'm writing a book that could easily have a Gigantopithecus fighting a cave bear. In fact omg, Giganto saves my main character from a cave bear, solid. done. Ahem, it would be a Short-faced bear they were fighting, my bad.
I Dont believe giganto is Sasquatch. Though it would be amazing to see such a great ape alive today i don’t believe that giganto is still alive but i do believe in bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Yaren, Yowie, ETC.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
this is the real possible living bigfoot an ancient ape, i believe to be this true himalaya yeti also look like this, this ape is huge it was like dinosaur.
I think it could be possible that this is true so many people have had sightings of Bigfoot and I think there are I haven't seen one myself they found tracks and people have photographs so I think they exist I wish I could see one myself
Sightings of Bigfoot are ridiculous it’s usually a black or brown bear stood on its hind legs, and humans like to make up stupid stories (especially Americans when alleged sightings of Bigfoot are abound)
We have lots of blurry, far away, fleeting micro seconds of film footage. We only have th4 Patterson Gimlan film as the clearest film of a possible bigfoot. But coincidentally, the original al film was lost. How woukd someone lose thr most relevant footage of bigfoot? Unless it was a fraud.
David Attenborough is not a particularly reliable source. He's absolutely spot on about alot of stuff, but he's not above misrepresenting some things or endorsing fringe ideas.
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@5;05 Is it me, or does Africa look like a Giantic Rhino Head? I mean the whole of Africa is a dead Titan Thousands of Miles Long? With its Mouth at South Africa
I wanna see a real life Gigantopithecus with my own eyes, if I get the money to invest into the technology to bring back extinct animals I’m definitely bringing back the Gigantopithecus and putting it either in a preserve with other prehistoric animals on a isolated island, or putting it in a zoo. Along with Woolly Mammoth, Smilidon, Dodo, Elephant Bird, Passenger Pigeon, The Moa, Paraceratherium, and many more.
everyone's always getting the weight wrong I know people that are 7 ft tall and way over 500 lb if these guys are almost twice that high they're way more like 1500 plus pounds some people are so damn Goofy.
They are not the descendants of the Nephilim stop reading your Bible upside-down and believing that a man was made from a lump of clay and a rib-woman ffs. There is overwhelming credible scientific evidence to support the evolutionary hypothesis not Darwinism there is a difference Australopithecus and Ardipthecus ramidus please educate yourself before posting your uneducated comment.
You @Scott must believe in a man made from a lump of clay and a rib-woman after "God" thunder clapped and farted everything into existence! Yeah right because that makes so much sense! You have nothing to offer anyone here but I love those biblical fairytales.
@@ScottBFree I thought the same thing when he said the tooth was human. I find it amazing how much tale they weave from just a bone fragment or tooth, and people accept these tales. And though evolution never stopped being a theory, for some reason people keep treating it like fact.
Animals evolve. It would make sense that the most powerful went to new lands first. Few people know this: Most of fossilized Hominin remains would fit onto the average kitchen table. There really are not that many. Secondly - These hominoids lived together at various stages. It makes sense that we would work together. A hobbit would be ideal for scouting out thick jungle. A Giggy would be ace for beating the hell out of anything in it's way. Why not? Thirdly - Religion. Man is created in the image of god. Also known as tunnel vision. Anything "Ungodly" gets the sharp end of the stick. No offense to religious folks, but you can't deny that.
So many inaccuracies. BEING BIG means you need LESS food, and expand LESS energy to keep up body temperature, having a LOWER METABOLIC RATE, relative to bodyweight! Also "warm blooded" ? so the other apes aren´t, why mention it? Furthermore a 300kg animal is nothing out of the ordinary, cows (and their wild relatives), horses (inkl. wild relatives), giraffes, elephants, even Lions and Tiger, Bears etc. ... absolutely NO argument, there is enough food around.
I don't understand why it's so far fetched for people to consider that there might also have been and still be a mega fauna version of us. Elephant and wooly Mammoth, rhinoceros, wooly rhinoceros, sea cow, stellar sea cow, orangutan gigantopithecus, human bigfoot. Notice a few of those species originated in Africa and became giant wooly versions of themselves? So why are we so different? People act like all the intact forests are gone and nothing is hidden but i live in Washington state and i can tell you there's a lot of forest that isn't yet penetrated or at least very rarely...
No no. That's most definitely not how it works. African elephants did not become mammoths and neither white nor black rhinos became wooly rhinos. The nearest extant species of elephant to mammoths is the Asian elephant and wooly rhino's closest living cousin is the Sumatran rhino. As far as humans turning into huge, hairy, smelly sasquatches......nah. I don't think so. In order for that to have happened sasquatch would need to be an actual thing.
@@scottjustscott3730 um that's not what I said. I said every animal has a mega fauna counterpart, that doesn't necessarily mean one comes from the other or that the two are related. All I'm asking is how are we different? Furthermore you can believe what you like, but my ancestors were contracting detailed images of these beings with no prior knowledge of western archaeology or knowledge of African apes and monkeys. And almost every culture has some sort of version in history that they either drew pictures of or sculptured or depicted through masquerade or drama and dance. From Europe to Asia and the Americas people have seen these things, and described the exact same behaviors, and the modern photos of proposed real creatures show certain features that aren't noticed at face value but upon closer look are very telling as many do not do not notice that the movements body mechanics even the feet and toes move differently, the shape of the face is different and the proportion are different. It all points to something, what do we have to lose if we actually took this seriously and actually found the creature and urged the government to stop hiding them.
What photos? All I have ever seen are blurred images of dudes in furry suits. That’s why they are blurry. If they weren’t you would be able to see them for what they really are. And as far as governments covering it up. That would require every government, even sworn enemies to agree to cover it up.
The dense, tropical rainforest which these animals lived during the Miocene era, sadly are the worst conditions to maintain naturally as fossils. The only reason the jaw bones and teeth preserved well is cause small mammals carried them into caves on the side of mountains. This also goes for Sasquatches too.. do to the habitat they live in which is mostly dense forests.
Here's how to look at it: Both us and bigfoots walk on two feet... which means we both moved on from trees and mastered moving on open ground upright. However, Bigfoots have what is called a "mid-tarsal" break in the middle of the foot underneath. its like an indention under the foot between the ball and the heel. We humans however do not. I have helped cast a number of sasquatch prints and seen this mid-tarsal break a number of times. Second point...we walk upright but have no body hair covering us do to losing it to persistance hunting in Subsaharan Africa. Bigfoots have a full body of hair and what I saw I would describe as a second coat of hair over the under layer. This is a trait of something that spends its entire time in the dense woods.. so they did not adapt along side us per say... they adapted somewhere else in a different habitat.
@@discojelly nice imaginations, but unfortunately for you you have zero evidence to support any of it. Just the mindless ramblings of someone completely detached from reality
How could it have been 12 feet tall but only weight 600 something pounds? Modern gorillas are less than half as tall yet can weigh around 400. If Giganto was that light it should be depicted as thinner in recreations.
yay Ralph, save the fossils! So sad how many animals have been lost and declining because of the traditional medicine trade, as well as so much knowledge of our understanding of fossils and prehistoric life. Glad to hear about some being saved
Some people will eat turds if you tell them it's an ancient medicine. (And I don't just mean Asians. Trump suggested drinking and injecting bleach and household cleaners and a few of his followers did. People are so opened to suggestion.) Lets home more of these fossils are recovered. Lets also hope knowledge one day eliminates superstition. I also have to add, sometimes modern medicine can and does learn from folk remedies. There are sometimes factual basis for old ideas, and it is a wonderful thing when that knowledge goes both ways.
Indeed, save the fossils! Ridiculous that we should save the dead from extinction too, plus it makes you wonder just what has been lost already to this stupid, fake medicine.
No such thing as traditional medicine trade. It's all ignorance and superstition. Dragons tooth my ass. Rhino horns for aphrodisiac. Bullshit. Just stupid ignorance and stupidity.
My Adi tribe ( Arunachal Pradesh, India ) have stories of huge Ape , we called it Aputumpu . It was said to be so huge they walked across bamboo house . It is even sang about in folk song and according to the song the year our ancestors coexisted with Aputumpu was around 9000 years ago
And I saw a video on RUclips that told of a hairy human like creature running through the jungle, beating up US soldiers with fists during the Vietnam war. Reminded me of Apom.
My mom is Adi.
Vietnam vets got some intriguing stories I'll say that
@@riichobamin7612 it’s the bili ape you’re talking about lol Aka bondo ape
@@riichobamin7612 sounds like someone heard Vietnam vets talking about the Rock Apes and then just made up a story that "sounds like" the one story he heard. Vietnam vets often tell about "rock apes", mid-sized primates which would occasionally get peeved and throw rocks at patrols and FOBs. The descriptions given don't match any known primate in the area, which is perplexing because the stories are consistent, mundane, and sometimes vets don't even realize that their "animal encounter" is considered a cryptid.
That’s fascinating, thank you for this :)
You always have to remember, the mountain gorilla didn't exist until it did
They don’t tho.
@@ScumsaveChris exactly
Deep bro
@@briandixon992 thank you
One thing that is interesting about Gigantopithecus from a crypozoological perspective is that we have this presumably very large animal that was around until fairly recently in geological terms, but it's only known from a handful of teeth and some jaw fragments. It makes one wonder what other species just aren't showing up in the fossil record. It also makes one wonder why Gigantopithecus itself is so much rarer in the fossil record than many other species... Maybe it was just never a very common animal in the environment? Or maybe there was something about its own behaviour that made its remains less likely to be fossilized?
I've wondered that myself. The part about what fossils may not be showing up. The animals that were, but, lost to the sands of time.
@@ryantrott4802If they had the technology to do strong enough flame and heat to cremate then there would’ve been evidence found of structures and devices used for that end. There are no signs or trails that would suggest that, nor that there has lived an animal that are close to human intellect being capable of such acts.
When they did find those teeth, weren't the Chinese grinding them into powder for medicinal purposes, but as dragon teeth? Maybe a lot of their remains were put to use in such ways and that's why not as many.
Fossils are rare as is. The environment may not have been suitable for fossilisation and not all remains could be properly buried or fossilised.
@@Macop I think he suggested the possibility that they mightve kept out of swamps or only lived on certain soil making fossilisation difficult and not that they invented cremation
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I'd like to see more post-cranial fossils (i.e. any) before we go nuts speculating on Giganthopithecus range and lifestyle etc.
Yep. "Hey! Look at this tooth!! These animals were social, they ate this, not that, they weighed X amount, and they were THIS tall!" All from a tooth and a jaw bone portion. Come on, Man!
I personally believe there's got to be fully intact skeleton somewhere in either India and Nepal. It's just been sitting inside a mountain undisturbed for hundreds of thousands of years
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Really like your videos, subscribed from your thylacine video. You should double check your weight estimate for this one, it’s just not feasible. A Siberian tiger weighs 600-650 on high end, a great ape of that size would weigh far more.
Amazing video!! I really enjoyed and paleontology history. Also that you touch on the hypothesis of the existence of Bigfoot. I'm still skeptical but did have a strange experience once, where I was getting large rocks thrown at me while hiking (solo) and a tree 'pushed' over next to my camp. Still don't really have an answer
Thanks for your comment. That's a weird experience you had. Sounds a bit scary.
i wouldn't automatically assume that was bigfoot, could have been ghosts or aliens.
@@dessertstorm7476 I suppose you're right ha
@@dessertstorm7476 or Paul Bunyan....
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There were some other previous species of Gigantopithecus, notably G. giganteus and G. bilaspurensis, but these have been synonymised with Indopithecus, another large ape similar to Gigantopithecus from the Miocene
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I'm more of the mind that it was tri-pedal. Not because of any scientific ideas or education or observation, but because of how hilarious it looks when i picture a 4 story tall ape trying to lumber around on 3 legs.
Certainly plausible that the Gigantopithecus just like Bears coming in different subspecies or overtime evolve to walk upright.
It is rather unlikely they walked upright, it would be a reverse of the evolutional path they followed.... ( mmm bad phrasing), the pongidae decent from Miocene apes that had an upright gait when living in the trees and because the hands were addapted to grasping brances once on the ground they could not walk quadruped like a baboon, they evolved into knucklewalkers.
the hominide ancesters once unable to support weight by holding brances had a change in the pelvis that supported the weight better then the pelvis of gorilla's and chimps does. Homide ancesters never were knucklewalkers in spite of what is tradional believed.
Being bigger and heavier than their closest relatives- the orangutans- Gigantopithecus were even more depended on knucklewalking.
My aunt Bunny is a Sasquatch.
AN OBSERVATION: how much have researchers factored in the giantism phenomenon? In very large animals, the proportions of extremities like hands, feet, lower face, and TOOTH SIZE are greater in relation to overall size compared to smaller comparative species. So, while still gigantic, Gigantopithecus may have been a more "modest" 8-9ft tall. But even then, while we don't know its overall robustness, it would've weighed considerably more than 300kg.
The largest gorilla in the wild ever found weighed 588lbs (265kg), and was 6ft tall. That was its "wild weight." Even a less robust Gigantopithecus would've likely weighed much more than that, even with my reduced height estimate of 8ft.
I am going to chime in real quick on the "it could be bigfoot" part in the video. I've have two encounters with a Bigfoot (or Bigfoots) and the issue I have with this notion that folks bring up being related to Giganto is that Giganto lived in a denses forest environment. So do bigfoots, however the only way the could travel to north America from the tropics of Southeast Asia is during the Pleistiocene era or very cold dry period. The Land bridge to north America was nothing more than Polar desert and steppe land without trees. I've always found it hard to believe that a primate like creature which spends that much time in dense forests would migrate across thousands of miles of barren land in the north (basically tundra) to find a new home in the forests of North America. Bigfoots to me seem to be something much different. I wish one day we had a full Giganto skeleton.. Would be great to look at and learn from.
Current studies suggest that Giganto was an herbivore with a preference for fruits and leaves, which... yeah, doesn't really make me think it'd handle a long hike through relatively barren, frozen terrain. Bigfoot, on the other hand, is reported as being an omnivore with a diet more like that of black and brown bears. I could see Giganto having an as-yet-undiscovered relative from the same time period, something that was more of a generalist, that persisted to become modern Bigfoot (or comparable cryptids) but Giganto itself? Seems unlikely.
It's worth mentioning that because primates tend to live in areas where bodies break down quite rapidly, their remains are less likely to fossilize than those of animals that live in very cold or very dry places. Hell, we only have a handful of chimp fossils, all discovered in the last decade or two. I'm sure there are plenty of primate species that we haven't found fossils from, and some we probably never will, just because of how rare it is for something to fossilize in the first place and then to survive to the modern day and then to be located by someone who realizes what it is. And even if all those criteria are met, then that fossil has to end up in a collection where it will be studied, instead of being sold to a private owner or used in traditional medicine.
@@cat_spit Well said
I think you will find that the spread of most animals is not in their own term 'Migration' but because of territorial issues ...individuals seeking new ground and each generation being forced to find new spaces.....and safe ones
Bigfoot is not giganto but a race of people a form of neanderthal
I've had a couple sightings too, along with all the High strangeness that goes with it.
There's a lot more going on to this phenomenon, then just some long-lost descended of Gigantopithecus Blackie or some 9-foot Relic hominoid/apeman running around the woods North America and other places. It goes much deeper down the rabbit hole then that.
There's very much a paranormal aspect to this phenomenon.
The Chinese probably hunted them to extinction to use as a cure for impotence.
please provide a link for the Bigfoot video footage you used in this upload. Thank you
Interesting!
Thanks!
Well done video. Gotta a lot from this.
Thanks very much
Great show thank you please do more
Thank you.
awesome job 👍👍
why is this channel only has 18k.. come on guys
What is the groovy song used in the part Out of Africa? Where can I find it? Currently, revisit the video for that music 😁
Hi, I think the track is called 'Retro 80s Electric Disco' by Bobby Cole. I got the song from the storyblocks website:www.storyblocks.com/audio/search/retro-80s?media-type=music.
Standing silverback gorilla is around 1,8m tall and over 220 kg so 2,7m should have correspond to weight over 300 kg at least ,3,7m over half a ton.
Good video, objective ☺👍
Thank you! 👍
Please do a big foot/yeti video
I might do one in the future.
@@wildworld6264 Yeah, do some, because it's a very hot topic on RUclips right now.
Excellent video! Thanks!
Good vid!
Glad you enjoyed it
Finding DNA in this, or a new fossil discovery of the species would be great! Except any "Juracaic Park" type clones would be too big for even gorillas to give birth to.
We can do artificial wombs.
@@theobserver9131 True. I forgot about those, but then you have a gigantic juvenile delinquent blaming his mother for being emotionally unavailable. Nobody wants that. ;)
@@pierceaero3005 epically hilarious response! Thanks for the laugh!
@@pierceaero3005 lmao
I'm liking this!
Glad to hear it.
The Question is not "Does Bigfoot exist?" The Question is "is it still alive?"
There is scientific evidence and thousands of credible eye witness testimonies from around the world to support the existence of Sasquatch today.
Good job, Bigfoot do exist, I have filmed them, AND I agree with you, they are NOT PONGIDS (You can tell by looking at the tracks) . Well done.
Love your channel Duke !
That's not a giant ape! This is a giant ape......In 1980 I saw a 20 year old Congo Silverback gorilla in the Lisbon, Portugal zoo. That gorilla weighed 850 lbs or 386.36.... kilos. It was a perfect specimen of a silverback. While standing with hands on the floor it was close to 6 feet tall ! I stood out of reach, as it was right up at the 1'inch metal bars of it's cage, and Its arms were bigger than a body-builders legs,(It had much smaller legs as usual though). And we were almost eye to eye! Its head was at least 14 - 18 inches from chin to crown.
Since that day I became very interested in Mountain Gorillas, and to this day the biggest specimen in the wild, represented in documentaries , etc., has only weighed 650 lbs or just under 300 kilos!!
Specimen? That's a very cold way to describe an amazing animal and one of our closest relatives. The Lisbon zoo is not great. I feel sorry this wonderful animal was there.
@@carolmayhardie "Specimen? That's a very cold way to describe an amazing animal and one of our closest relatives." classic dumb anthropocentric viewpoint. Whats so special about close relatives? if anything it was just a unlucky wording, "individual" would be less "cold" if you want. "specimen" generally refers to museum/exhibition/collections. most likely deceased. On the other hand "being a specimen of x" is also used as praise.
@@carolmayhardie what would you say, maybe a "person"? 🤣 Guess you are vegan and calfs are kids
@@gennarosavastano9424 no I'm not vegan and baby goats are called kids.
Baby goats are kids? Hahahahaha
Now i see why they call it the "King Kong" !
Absolutely fascinating topic, and an area mainstream science (and scientific funding) should be looking at.
Why? Can't see any particular reason why the tax payer should be coughing up for such fringe research. Although I can see why the 'special people' might be creaming their knickers dreaming of such fancies.
@@eltaffyrip3800 paleontology and anthropology are hardly fringe research, and it appears you misunderstand how academic funding works, and where all the capital comes from. There's more to funding research than taxing people. Private investment, government grants, lottery funding, and the reallocation of existing resources are just a few of the ways research can be funded and pursued. What you perceive as fanciful is in reality and important field that has been tragically neglected, especially considering how important the miniscule fossil remains of primates that we have is, considering how massively the knowledge derived from said remains impacts our perspective of humanity today, biologically and anthropologically.
@@harveymedlicott-revell7069 Keep yourself to the specifics will you. Am well aware research funding can be sourced in a variety of ways, but to seriously suggest that a government should or that lottery funding be directed towards a fairly specialised branch of science when budgets are already stretched to breaking point.
Should you feel able to persuade private industry/foundation/wealthy individual of the importance of miniscule fossils then go fill your boots, otherwise you're simply talking bollo.
@@eltaffyrip3800 You're mixing up your feelings to a subject which you have little to no respect if and evidently know very little about both in its form and functionality, with the reality that topics smaller and similar to this have gone through established channels of funding application and received it. Though sway is weighted towards subjects that provide benefits (economically and/or through notoriety) to any potential investor or institution's status. For example, when a skeleton of a reputedly large marine reptile was found in England recently, the dig site was subject to all kinds of funding and in kind support, resulting in an excavation which wrapped up in record time because the subject (though not uncommon in its taxonomy) was unusually large and garnered fame from news sources and was championed by the Universities involved in its retreival, and so this palaeontological discovery was funded quickly. A skeleton of its kind (genus/species archetype) is a common site in England, with fragments (small fossil remains) being found by the general public often, taken away as keepsakes etc, taken away from potential study, however this time because qualified palaeontologists campaigned and were funded to retrieve the specimen, the subject could be studied, and from it new discoveries of not only the animal itself were found, but geological and geographical discoveries which bolster the understanding of the area it was found in for the 10s of millions of years it remained there. This could lead to advancements in chemistry, geo-engineering, climate and ecological studies and beyond. Placing the same logic on gigantopothecus, just because tiny fragments of their fossils were poached and sold in Asian Markets, largely out of sight of the scientific community, doesn't mean the topic should be abandoned, the potential for discoveries in that branch of paleo-anthropology is immense and is worth looking into. Despite any stigma some academics or institutions may hold towards it, and despite opinions such as your own which suggest there is no benefits to this research because you can not put aside your preconvictions long enough to understand them. This is my last response and I urge you to reconsider your opinion and look into the breakthroughs made as a result of paleontology and anthropology.
@@harveymedlicott-revell7069 As I thought, one of the 'Special People' Now sod off!
I think there is another, slightly smaller species of Gigantopithecus whose fossils have been found further South than G. blackei. I can't recall the species name at the moment though, and I believe there was some debate as to whether it was really a separate species or just juvenile specimens that had been found, accounting for the smaller size. Since only fragments were found it was hard to age the specimens accurately.
You're thinking of Gigantopithecus bilaspurensis, which has been reclassified as Indopithecus giganteus. :)
at 4.54 why did u say different paleoanthropologists names but use the same picture?
Man you gotta tell me whats the great song playing at 4:36
The jaw displayed in your video is an Ungulate jaw.Narrow with minimal incisors for cutting vegetation and molars for grinding.
Moreover an absence of "canine" pointed teeth.
There is 0 possibility this jaw is of ape of anytime and doesn't meet the level of even speculation.
great video
Thanks!
This is right up my street loved it, of course BIG FOOT is real. They have DNA to prove it
Bigfoot is a race of people
Dr Melba Ketchums Sasquatch Genome Project was very controversial and was not peer reviewed.
Great video.
Thanks!
@@wildworld6264 I liked that you weren't concerned with asking the questions that have made some uncomfortable in regards to a connection with the Sasquatch. You shouldn't be afraid to ask the questions. If you can't ask questions you'll never be able to tease out any answers.
There's NO WAY that a massive ape would only weigh 200-300kg while standing 10ft tall or taller. It would have to have been much heavier, massing as much as a grizzly or more, since the height estimates make it as tall or taller than a Polar bear.
Your opinion is baseless.
The height and build is highly speculative due to scarce remains. 200-300kg is well within the parameters of a medium build ape at 8'+
@@Dr.IanPlect : you're kidding, right, "Doctor."
Within the "parameters" of large ape physiology, and the parameters of giantess, studied as far back as da Vinci, I think I'm a lot closer than you are, Sir. But to each his own.
@@roderickreilly9666 I note your continuity of belligerent cluelessness.
Muted.
@@Dr.IanPlect : have a nice evening!
Its fake, exagerating size based on teeth and a piece of jaw. No vertebrare, leg nor arm bone
the elephants of apes
i always thought it odd how it's never hypothesized that a Bigfoot might be a giant sloth.
Always my thought,too. Or other Giants.
Because they are an ancient human like people. Dr Melba Ketchums Sasquatch Genome Project obtained 110 samples and the controversial results were human female unknown male.
Because of the bipedal assumption
some of them are. any time three toed tracks are found it is a giant sloth, not a primate. best example is the fouke monster. also seems to be common in central canada.
Don’t recognize the video clip of the alleged Sasquatch shown. Anyone have information on that specific video? Haven’t seen it before.
It’s just Bigfoot man 😂
Andre' The Giant was 7'2" and 550....
200 kilos? No way ! Way more!
Wouldn’t 200kgs be kind of light for a 9-12 ft tall Ape?
Big monke
I can't help but see Sasquatch or what some people say they are encountering today ?
0:32 is that a be 200
Ahhhh the ridiculous "Giant Man" biblical idiocy...
Outstanding video 👍
Shut up morron...u know nothing
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I'm writing a book that could easily have a Gigantopithecus fighting a cave bear. In fact omg, Giganto saves my main character from a cave bear, solid. done. Ahem, it would be a Short-faced bear they were fighting, my bad.
I knew it ….eventually “Bigfooticus” ancestors will be discovered… lol!
How about Ramapithicus. Earliest hominid?
Don't look far, he lives right next door to me eating 72 pieces of fried chicken as we watch!
Why bigger means less children?
I Dont believe giganto is Sasquatch. Though it would be amazing to see such a great ape alive today i don’t believe that giganto is still alive but i do believe in bigfoot, Sasquatch, Yeti, Yaren, Yowie, ETC.
Some people think Bigfoot, Sasquatch, and the Yeti just be Gigantopithecus.
Sasquatch is not some lost ape related to Gigantopithecus or the descendants of the Nephilim. They are ancient human like people.
@@AranRinzei And your evidence for your claim is?
I have done my research. I suggest you do yours.
@@AranRinzei Everything I've read points to a large primate. Maybe human, but probably not. Most eyewitnesses say that it was a large ape.
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:4
So more like Mighty Joe Young than King Kong.
this is the real possible living bigfoot an ancient ape, i believe to be this true himalaya yeti also look like this, this ape is huge it was like dinosaur.
I think it could be possible that this is true so many people have had sightings of Bigfoot and I think there are I haven't seen one myself they found tracks and people have photographs so I think they exist I wish I could see one myself
It is not a bigfoot you f'n moron. WTF is wrong with you people who seem to have no brain whatsoever?
Sightings of Bigfoot are ridiculous it’s usually a black or brown bear stood on its hind legs, and humans like to make up stupid stories (especially Americans when alleged sightings of Bigfoot are abound)
@@pookispalaceoflove6518 bears hardly ever stand upright on their hind legs and they don't walk like humans
@@virginias6357 Your ignorance of bear behavior is not evidence supporting the existence of your imaginary hairy giant
We have lots of blurry, far away, fleeting micro seconds of film footage. We only have th4 Patterson Gimlan film as the clearest film of a possible bigfoot. But coincidentally, the original al film was lost. How woukd someone lose thr most relevant footage of bigfoot? Unless it was a fraud.
overall answer why they bred smaller? oxygen depletion.
David Attenborough is not a particularly reliable source.
He's absolutely spot on about alot of stuff, but he's not above misrepresenting some things or endorsing fringe ideas.
The Sasquatch is believed to be a gigantopithecus. Although, if it exists, I hope they never find it. It would mean the quick extinction of it.
Sasquatch are not Gigantopithecus they are an ancient human like people and they exist whether people believe it or not.
@Vlasko60 please educate yourself before posting your uneducated comment.
Oozaru? Goku?? Saiyans???
Like chimp Lion Killers.
No sasquatch couldn't be a gigantopiticus as the bering sea land bridge was full of ice
Bigfoot
Everything was downsized after the great flood.The bible is the best history book ever written.Popular demand proves this as the bible is the #1 best selling book in history.😊😊😊
@5;05 Is it me, or does Africa look like a Giantic Rhino Head? I mean the whole of Africa is a dead Titan Thousands of Miles Long? With its Mouth at South Africa
Searching for more cartoons to brainwash the Sheeple
it also cud be trolls of Swedem. Already mach the discription
I wanna see a real life Gigantopithecus with my own eyes, if I get the money to invest into the technology to bring back extinct animals I’m definitely bringing back the Gigantopithecus and putting it either in a preserve with other prehistoric animals on a isolated island, or putting it in a zoo. Along with Woolly Mammoth, Smilidon, Dodo, Elephant Bird, Passenger Pigeon, The Moa, Paraceratherium, and many more.
everyone's always getting the weight wrong I know people that are 7 ft tall and way over 500 lb if these guys are almost twice that high they're way more like 1500 plus pounds some people are so damn Goofy.
I love evolutionary biology. So interesting.
See it shoot show proof
Ummmm Bro I think ya mean BigFoot
Next !!
lots of assumptions being made here not much documentation
You know what they say about extraordinary claims .... ?
You need to pay higher insurance premiums.
King Louis the jungle book
Manusia raksasa dari Jawa ( megantropus paleojavanicus )
It wasn’t a gorilla, it was half man half fallen angel. That’s where the giants came from, and no we didn’t evolve from 🙊.
They are not the descendants of the Nephilim stop reading your Bible upside-down and believing that a man was made from a lump of clay and a rib-woman ffs. There is overwhelming credible scientific evidence to support the evolutionary hypothesis not Darwinism there is a difference Australopithecus and Ardipthecus ramidus please educate yourself before posting your uneducated comment.
@@AranRinzei 😀, that’s a good one. Where do you do your standup shows at?
You @Scott must believe in a man made from a lump of clay and a rib-woman after "God" thunder clapped and farted everything into existence! Yeah right because that makes so much sense! You have nothing to offer anyone here but I love those biblical fairytales.
@@ScottBFree I thought the same thing when he said the tooth was human. I find it amazing how much tale they weave from just a bone fragment or tooth, and people accept these tales. And though evolution never stopped being a theory, for some reason people keep treating it like fact.
Animals evolve. It would make sense that the most powerful went to new lands first. Few people know this: Most of fossilized Hominin remains would fit onto the average kitchen table. There really are not that many. Secondly - These hominoids lived together at various stages. It makes sense that we would work together.
A hobbit would be ideal for scouting out thick jungle. A Giggy would be ace for beating the hell out of anything in it's way. Why not?
Thirdly - Religion. Man is created in the image of god. Also known as tunnel vision. Anything "Ungodly" gets the sharp end of the stick. No offense to religious folks, but you can't deny that.
So many inaccuracies. BEING BIG means you need LESS food, and expand LESS energy to keep up body temperature, having a LOWER METABOLIC RATE, relative to bodyweight! Also "warm blooded" ? so the other apes aren´t, why mention it? Furthermore a 300kg animal is nothing out of the ordinary, cows (and their wild relatives), horses (inkl. wild relatives), giraffes, elephants, even Lions and Tiger, Bears etc. ... absolutely NO argument, there is enough food around.
Lol
I don't understand why it's so far fetched for people to consider that there might also have been and still be a mega fauna version of us. Elephant and wooly Mammoth, rhinoceros, wooly rhinoceros, sea cow, stellar sea cow, orangutan gigantopithecus, human bigfoot. Notice a few of those species originated in Africa and became giant wooly versions of themselves? So why are we so different? People act like all the intact forests are gone and nothing is hidden but i live in Washington state and i can tell you there's a lot of forest that isn't yet penetrated or at least very rarely...
No no. That's most definitely not how it works. African elephants did not become mammoths and neither white nor black rhinos became wooly rhinos. The nearest extant species of elephant to mammoths is the Asian elephant and wooly rhino's closest living cousin is the Sumatran rhino. As far as humans turning into huge, hairy, smelly sasquatches......nah. I don't think so. In order for that to have happened sasquatch would need to be an actual thing.
@@scottjustscott3730 um that's not what I said. I said every animal has a mega fauna counterpart, that doesn't necessarily mean one comes from the other or that the two are related. All I'm asking is how are we different? Furthermore you can believe what you like, but my ancestors were contracting detailed images of these beings with no prior knowledge of western archaeology or knowledge of African apes and monkeys. And almost every culture has some sort of version in history that they either drew pictures of or sculptured or depicted through masquerade or drama and dance. From Europe to Asia and the Americas people have seen these things, and described the exact same behaviors, and the modern photos of proposed real creatures show certain features that aren't noticed at face value but upon closer look are very telling as many do not do not notice that the movements body mechanics even the feet and toes move differently, the shape of the face is different and the proportion are different. It all points to something, what do we have to lose if we actually took this seriously and actually found the creature and urged the government to stop hiding them.
What photos? All I have ever seen are blurred images of dudes in furry suits. That’s why they are blurry. If they weren’t you would be able to see them for what they really are. And as far as governments covering it up. That would require every government, even sworn enemies to agree to cover it up.
Where's all the skulls? We have dinosaurs but no Giants or Giant apes..
The dense, tropical rainforest which these animals lived during the Miocene era, sadly are the worst conditions to maintain naturally as fossils. The only reason the jaw bones and teeth preserved well is cause small mammals carried them into caves on the side of mountains. This also goes for Sasquatches too.. do to the habitat they live in which is mostly dense forests.
Why are you so afraid to talk about Bigfoot?
Patty seems to do fine walking,,,if we came from the trees,,,then it's possible Bigfoot had to adapt along with us.
You mean Bob Heronimus
Here's how to look at it:
Both us and bigfoots walk on two feet... which means we both moved on from trees and mastered moving on open ground upright. However, Bigfoots have what is called a "mid-tarsal" break in the middle of the foot underneath. its like an indention under the foot between the ball and the heel. We humans however do not. I have helped cast a number of sasquatch prints and seen this mid-tarsal break a number of times.
Second point...we walk upright but have no body hair covering us do to losing it to persistance hunting in Subsaharan Africa. Bigfoots have a full body of hair and what I saw I would describe as a second coat of hair over the under layer. This is a trait of something that spends its entire time in the dense woods.. so they did not adapt along side us per say... they adapted somewhere else in a different habitat.
@@discojelly nice imaginations, but unfortunately for you you have zero evidence to support any of it. Just the mindless ramblings of someone completely detached from reality
100% Agree with how you put it,,,my fingers would've fell off.lol
@@travisgoesthere Liar Bob (correctly spelt Heironimus by the way) has as much chance of being Patty as Danny DeVito.
They are big 12 ft to 14 ft 800 pounds perhaps to leave 2 inch print in ground heavy
Nephilim
It’s really sweet that he named the species after his recently deceased friend and colleague instead of naming it after himself.
OG move. Bros care about bros.
How could it have been 12 feet tall but only weight 600 something pounds? Modern gorillas are less than half as tall yet can weigh around 400. If Giganto was that light it should be depicted as thinner in recreations.
This video wasn't accurate about weight
He probably meant Kilos
@@db-ur6td first describe height in feet then weight in kilos? lol
The weight given for the height is not feasible.
Let's hope it was a mistake 😂
yay Ralph, save the fossils! So sad how many animals have been lost and declining because of the traditional medicine trade, as well as so much knowledge of our understanding of fossils and prehistoric life. Glad to hear about some being saved
Some people will eat turds if you tell them it's an ancient medicine. (And I don't just mean Asians. Trump suggested drinking and injecting bleach and household cleaners and a few of his followers did. People are so opened to suggestion.)
Lets home more of these fossils are recovered. Lets also hope knowledge one day eliminates superstition.
I also have to add, sometimes modern medicine can and does learn from folk remedies. There are sometimes factual basis for old ideas, and it is a wonderful thing when that knowledge goes both ways.
@@MikeLinPA agreed.
Indeed, save the fossils! Ridiculous that we should save the dead from extinction too, plus it makes you wonder just what has been lost already to this stupid, fake medicine.
No such thing as traditional medicine trade. It's all ignorance and superstition. Dragons tooth my ass. Rhino horns for aphrodisiac. Bullshit. Just stupid ignorance and stupidity.
Why? Just so you can see them at the zoo?
Modern silver backs can way 400 lbs....I think that would more likely weigh 600-1000 lbs especially if it was a 12footer
Gorilla like 4 foot 9 500 pounds the male was probably larger then the female 1200 pounds for sure