I spoke with Dave (Daves DIY: ruclips.net/channel/UCJu7ygS7J9DP3kvzU7Gd8Ug) and he found the correct torque setting for the riser bolts: 38Nm. I've tightened the bolts as much as I dare and now the bars are much more rigid. Thanks Dave!
I have a 2016 Chief dark horse and a 2013 Road King classic. Now I definitely want one of the Triumph speedmasters, gorgeous bike. First Triumph I've ever seriously found irresistible.
Afternoon Chris - if you do get a Speedmaster, you'll certainly not be disappointed. I tried a 2014 Cheif(tan, I think), but it felt much bigger than a Street Glide, somehow: I didn't really get on with it, although it was clearly a great bike. If you live in Britain (or even Europe), you'll love how the Speedmaster can filter between the lanes - the handling is on another level, compared to the heavier Harleys & Indians. Cheers, Chris
The best bars for the speedmaster are the bobbers handlebars with aftermarket 3.5 to 5 inch risers with a 2 inch pullback. Thats the hot setup. You are shopping the boutique aftermarket outlets, they are scalping you. You dont need the longer cables
Hi again Tom - lots of people are really keen on the Bobber bars, but I can't manage them (back hurts). I need the upright-ness. Ths means I need the full 5" or 6" of pullback, if I can get it. (I had 13" of pullback on my Sportster.) If I can get the pullback sorted, I'd go back to the Triumph beach bars as they are so nice. But, alas... Cheers, Chris
Greetings, I just couldn't get comfortable with the beach bars that come from the factory. I bought the Motone risers and they were an easy install and used original cables, wires and brake lines. The Motone risers lifted the bars and moved them back making the beach bars at least tolerable for me but I was not yet content. I was going to swap out the beach bars with some old Harley bars I had lying around but a quick check indicated a no go as the triumph hand grips and bar switches require a significantly longer straight section than the Harley bars have. So I just went with the triumph hi-rise bars (mini-ape style) and the extension kit for brake lines, wires and cables. I was a bit nervous about the brake lines but it all went very well and I was able to bleed the brake lines with no issue (have solid front brakes like factory, rear brake still sucks). Now I didn't like the position that resulted from how the triumph high bars were pinned. I took a chance and kept the Motone risers and installed the Triumph bars. My memory is a bit vague and bike is away for winter but I believe I may have hand made some brass shims from some sheet brass I had on hand. The upshot is that my high bars are solid, no wobble or slip and I didn't have to deal with the bar position that pinning the bars would have required. I now find the ride comfortable and use the MadStad wind screen.
Afternoon Miner - you've done well with the bars, and fitting them as the dealer said the extended electrical cables were a real pain to fit. I also tried the Motone risers with the high bars but didn't get on with them, so I sold the risers. (I use the Triumph screen as I wanted a larger screen.) Cheers, Chris
Great video well said. I have a 2018 Speedmaster .Before that 2001 Heritage softail with factory bars and pull back risers. Loved it. Im 64 I love my speedmaster low stance .Right now battling to rather keep beach bars and just rotate them up just a smidge, are bye the motion pull back risers are the tall bars like yours.Its pretty expensive to experiment if you dont like it. I guess I will keep my beach bars for now they are so close to perfect probably not a good idea to mess around changing plus I like being able to push it around with little effort where as you are correct the tall bars changes the weight on the bike. Thanks for the video.
Afternoon Levi - thank you for being appreicative! I found that the beach bars do have a little adjustability, which helped me a good deal. If they're 'close to perfect' for you, I'd stick with them because even though the high bars are better for me, they're certainly not perfect. I was with a gent in the week who was also wrestling with the handle bar issue. In the end, he rode from Exeter to the IoM for the TT on his Speedmaster, and was pretty much okay. He decided to keep the beach bars - he's 72. One day, I'd like to get custom 6.5" (160mm) risers to pull the bars back. I miss the beach bars so much, but very long pull-back risers would be wonderful. One day! Cheers, Chris
On my 22 Speedmaster, I do like the standard beach bars , but what I did was angled the bar up a few inches, so that the grips are parallel with the horizon instead of angled downward, it looks great and I didn’t have to change cables , my arms are more straight out,, And I have the Dart Marlin Fly screen, looks perfect and is to me more comfortable, I too like how your new Apes look , especially how you got them angled inline to the forks , 👍🏼
Morning Michael - thanks for the reply. I tried several orientations of the beach bars before I decided to change them and, for me, the risers & extensions were the most comfortable (and I liked the look too). But, alas, the wobble was excessive (or dangerous, according to the local dealer), so I felt compelled to use the high bars. Like you with the angle change of the beach bars, my arms are now straighter - and higher, obviously. Ideally, I'd have preferred to stay with the beach bars, but there you go... Angling these high bars more inline with the forks does improve the high bar look, I think. But it's all about comfort for me so I guess I just lucked-out with that one! Cheers, Chris
Morning FJR - the flat bars are a popular choice, though they don't work for me (ouchy!). I do miss the beach bars, but, as they say, that's life! Cheers, Chris
I have the 2008 Triumph America and the only thing I changed apart from an EFI tune Upgrade I changed the shocks front & rear as the standard shocks were way to stiff and hard. So I changed them to progressive front & rear springs and new adjustable dampers. It's so smooth now I can throw it around into corners like it's a racing bike it now feels like it's running on rails.
My experience with any kind of rubber mounted bars, a little movement is quite normal , only a rigid mount bar would be completely tight and no movement. I think if I had the risers with the locating pins, I think i would elongate the hole in the handlebar to allow some adjustability. I love those tall bars on your speed master, i want to put a set on my T-120 -2022 model but no one seems to know whether they would fit or not. Thankyou for your experimenting gives other riders ideas whether some parts would work or not.
Morning Beagles - I've managed to keep the bars stable by... over-tightening the bolts. Not very clever, but it works. 🤨 I was coming from a Sportster (solid mount bars) so got used to that. It's okay now, but I would prefer solid mounts - as long as the engine vibrations were minimal. Cheers, Chris
There’s an American chap on RUclips who fitted the TC bothers 8” mini apes. They looked pretty good, and he didn’t need extended cables. Another alternative is the bars from the Triumph Scrambler XC. They have slightly higher rise than those from the T120 and of course, all the controls fit properly.
Morning Richard - many thanks for replying. I think the chap you're referring to might be Daves DIY. If so, this is his video of fitting the mini apes on his Speedmaster: ruclips.net/video/u3Xa1rdDmJE/видео.html. I watched it with interest when I was looking into the handlebar change. You're right about the cables, he re-routed the standard lines, pulling them inside the yoke assembly. I didn't much like that idea, if only 'cos Triumph don't route the cables like that normally. (Does any manufacturer?) Also, the pin - or the 'master cylinder locating lug' - means that the bars have to be drilled, or the lug has to be filed off. Either way, it's not the way I wanted to go. I'll have to check out the XC bars though. I wasn't sure if standard Bonneville bars would fit, and I didn't even think of Scrambler bars: good spot Richard! Cheers mate, Chris
Afternoon Deb - I seem to remember the previous models had a super-large tank option (wide, not really high volume though). Is this the 16L you're referring to? Cheers, Chris
Afternoon - I managed to sort out the 'wobble' by tightening the bolts further. Must be higher than the recomended torque, but it's been working fine for over 10,000 miles now, so I'm happy. Cheers, Chris
Afternoon Mark - that's interesting, I'll have to look at this - maybe 'getting rid of the rubber' is the way to go. (Is vibration now a problem?) Which ones did you get mate? Cheers, Chris
I've looked into the Royal Enfield options, but they're no better than the Triumph ones. First, the TEC Bike Parts 'kit': www.tecbikeparts.com/product/interceptor-650-30mm-bar-riser-kit/ It's cheaper at £28, but all you get are two bolts, washers and spacers. Not so cheap then! They only raise the bars 30mm too - no pull-back at all. Second, Voigt Moto Technik: voigt-mt.de/Handlebar-riser-with-offset-for-Royal-Enfield-Interceptor-650-18 Much more expensive at €70, but much more substantial. They include two top clamp replacements which move the bars up 30mm and back 21mm. I don't want any rise, and 21mm is nowhere near what I'm after. The idea is good, I imagine more pull-back is managable with minimul redesign. Lastly, an Indian company Indimotorad: indimotard.com/product/royal-enfield-650-interceptor-handlebar-risers/ They cost ₹ 6,690.00 (about £65) and are quite solid looking. They raise the bars 2", and offer about 1" pull-back, which is not what I'm after. They also retain the stock rubbers, like the Voigt items, above. So no help there, alas. I'm back to getting them custom made... one day. Cheers, Chris
Morning - sorry, but I don't know about the different Royal Enfield bars. (Some fit RE bars to Triumphs, but that's about the sum of my knowledge!) Sorry mate, Chris
Afternoon Deb - I couldn't agree more: the Speedmaster ride is far, far superior to the Sportster ride. In fact, the whole bike is better in every way. (But I still miss my Sportster!) Go figure! Cheers, Chris
Morning Phillip - well, I agree that Triumph should re-introduce the Thunderbird line, but I imagine many of the same problems would occur regarding the handlebars. Cheers, Chris
OK....I am sorry, but I cannot fathom why the original bars are not more comfortable than those mini ape hanger monstrosities. Every (and I mean every) review I have seen of this beautiful bike says the bars and seating position is delightfully comfortable. Those ape hangers are going to mean rotator cuff surgery in the future. As subjective as looks can be, those apes are the ugliest thing you could do to a Speedmaster. Sorry, but that is my honest opinion.
Morning Grasshoppa - I seem to remember that name from a while ago so, hello again. :-) As for comfort reviews, well my review does not rate the riding position as 'delightfully comfortable'. It's quite good, more or less, but the forward lean hurts my back with the (beautiful) beach bars, so definately not 'delightfully comfortable' for me. Still, I believe that your medical assesment of 'rotator cuff surgery' is somewhat alarmist! Like you, my 'subjectivity' leads me to much prefer the beach bars asthetically, but comfort is king for me so mini-apes it is. Thanks for commenting mate, Chris
Well, none taken, obviously... As I mentioned, I'm not a 'form over function' sort of guy: that means I will easily sacrifice 'pretty' for 'effective'. The high bars are nowhere near as nice as the beach bars, but they're much more comfortable. That trumps all for me.
@@chrisoftheot6272I think they look fantastic. I’ll be getting a SM at some point and will be changing to apes. This whole bike is modern version of my last bike, a 1969 ridged frame dual carb head Bonnie with a sprung seat and 12” apes. It was super comfortable and were/are the esthetic that I dig. Your bike looks great. I’ve just found your channel and I’m on my 4th video in a row. You’ve got a new subscriber
Well, thank you Glen, the vote of appreciation is very welcome. I've had the mini-apes on for about 7000 miles now, and they are very comfortable (which is the most important thing for me). But, if you find them comfy and 'dig the esthetic', you're quids-in! 🙂 Thanks again Glen, I hope you continue to enjoy my videos. Cheers, Chris
Sorry User - the Super Meteor is a fine bike, but my 1200 Speedmaster weighs 261kg, the Super Meteor weighs 241kg: double the engine for 20kg. I could buy nearly two Super Metors for the same money, but the Speedmaster is twice the bike. Cheers, Chris
Afternoon - I made a video a while ago about the whole choice of model after I sold my Sportster and the T120 didn't fit the bill. That said, very little 'suits my body' nowadays, so I'm a bit stuck. And, what's to like about lampshades?? Cheers, Chris
I spoke with Dave (Daves DIY: ruclips.net/channel/UCJu7ygS7J9DP3kvzU7Gd8Ug) and he found the correct torque setting for the riser bolts: 38Nm. I've tightened the bolts as much as I dare and now the bars are much more rigid. Thanks Dave!
I have a 2016 Chief dark horse and a 2013 Road King classic. Now I definitely want one of the Triumph speedmasters, gorgeous bike. First Triumph I've ever seriously found irresistible.
Afternoon Chris - if you do get a Speedmaster, you'll certainly not be disappointed. I tried a 2014 Cheif(tan, I think), but it felt much bigger than a Street Glide, somehow: I didn't really get on with it, although it was clearly a great bike.
If you live in Britain (or even Europe), you'll love how the Speedmaster can filter between the lanes - the handling is on another level, compared to the heavier Harleys & Indians.
Cheers,
Chris
Having an 09 road king myself with heritage bars I too fell in love with the speedmaster! Triumph is an amazing brand
The best bars for the speedmaster are the bobbers handlebars with aftermarket 3.5 to 5 inch risers with a 2 inch pullback. Thats the hot setup. You are shopping the boutique aftermarket outlets, they are scalping you. You dont need the longer cables
Hi again Tom - lots of people are really keen on the Bobber bars, but I can't manage them (back hurts). I need the upright-ness. Ths means I need the full 5" or 6" of pullback, if I can get it. (I had 13" of pullback on my Sportster.)
If I can get the pullback sorted, I'd go back to the Triumph beach bars as they are so nice. But, alas...
Cheers,
Chris
Oh shit that's put me off of buying the bike and I had it all planned out in my head 😂
Haha me too!.. Legitimately made me change my mind upon that one single factor.
Greetings, I just couldn't get comfortable with the beach bars that come from the factory. I bought the Motone risers and they were an easy install and used original cables, wires and brake lines. The Motone risers lifted the bars and moved them back making the beach bars at least tolerable for me but I was not yet content. I was going to swap out the beach bars with some old Harley bars I had lying around but a quick check indicated a no go as the triumph hand grips and bar switches require a significantly longer straight section than the Harley bars have. So I just went with the triumph hi-rise bars (mini-ape style) and the extension kit for brake lines, wires and cables. I was a bit nervous about the brake lines but it all went very well and I was able to bleed the brake lines with no issue (have solid front brakes like factory, rear brake still sucks). Now I didn't like the position that resulted from how the triumph high bars were pinned. I took a chance and kept the Motone risers and installed the Triumph bars. My memory is a bit vague and bike is away for winter but I believe I may have hand made some brass shims from some sheet brass I had on hand. The upshot is that my high bars are solid, no wobble or slip and I didn't have to deal with the bar position that pinning the bars would have required. I now find the ride comfortable and use the MadStad wind screen.
Afternoon Miner - you've done well with the bars, and fitting them as the dealer said the extended electrical cables were a real pain to fit. I also tried the Motone risers with the high bars but didn't get on with them, so I sold the risers.
(I use the Triumph screen as I wanted a larger screen.)
Cheers,
Chris
I just can't believe the prices for new stuff for new bikes.
The McDonald's $1 menu is now a $3 menu. You sure you can't believe the prices of bikes?
Great video well said. I have a 2018 Speedmaster .Before that 2001 Heritage softail with factory bars and pull back risers. Loved it. Im 64 I love my speedmaster low stance .Right now battling to rather keep beach bars and just rotate them up just a smidge, are bye the motion pull back risers are the tall bars like yours.Its pretty expensive to experiment if you dont like it. I guess I will keep my beach bars for now they are so close to perfect probably not a good idea to mess around changing plus I like being able to push it around with little effort where as you are correct the tall bars changes the weight on the bike. Thanks for the video.
Afternoon Levi - thank you for being appreicative!
I found that the beach bars do have a little adjustability, which helped me a good deal. If they're 'close to perfect' for you, I'd stick with them because even though the high bars are better for me, they're certainly not perfect.
I was with a gent in the week who was also wrestling with the handle bar issue. In the end, he rode from Exeter to the IoM for the TT on his Speedmaster, and was pretty much okay. He decided to keep the beach bars - he's 72.
One day, I'd like to get custom 6.5" (160mm) risers to pull the bars back. I miss the beach bars so much, but very long pull-back risers would be wonderful. One day!
Cheers,
Chris
On my 22 Speedmaster, I do like the standard beach bars , but what I did was angled the bar up a few inches, so that the grips are parallel with the horizon instead of angled downward, it looks great and I didn’t have to change cables , my arms are more straight out,, And I have the Dart Marlin Fly screen, looks perfect and is to me more comfortable, I too like how your new Apes look , especially how you got them angled inline to the forks , 👍🏼
Morning Michael - thanks for the reply.
I tried several orientations of the beach bars before I decided to change them and, for me, the risers & extensions were the most comfortable (and I liked the look too). But, alas, the wobble was excessive (or dangerous, according to the local dealer), so I felt compelled to use the high bars. Like you with the angle change of the beach bars, my arms are now straighter - and higher, obviously. Ideally, I'd have preferred to stay with the beach bars, but there you go...
Angling these high bars more inline with the forks does improve the high bar look, I think. But it's all about comfort for me so I guess I just lucked-out with that one!
Cheers,
Chris
I recently purchased a speedmaster, didn't like the beach bars so I had the black bobber bars fitted.
Much better I found 😊
Morning FJR - the flat bars are a popular choice, though they don't work for me (ouchy!). I do miss the beach bars, but, as they say, that's life!
Cheers,
Chris
There's only 1. The other 2 are after market options. What they come with is the perfect choice. Indisputable.
Afternoon Malcom - actually, all these bars are Triumph. I do prefer the standard beech bars, but they are just not comfortable for me.
Cheers,
Chris
I have the 2008 Triumph America and the only thing I changed apart from an EFI tune Upgrade I changed the shocks front & rear as the standard shocks were way to stiff and hard. So I changed them to progressive front & rear springs and new adjustable dampers. It's so smooth now I can throw it around into corners like it's a racing bike it now feels like it's running on rails.
Hi Martin - that sounds like the way to go: suspension. I'm eagerly looking forward to the say I can afford some nice Hagon springs.
Cheeers,
Chris
My experience with any kind of rubber mounted bars, a little movement is quite normal , only a rigid mount bar would be completely tight and no movement. I think if I had the risers with the locating pins, I think i would elongate the hole in the handlebar to allow some adjustability. I love those tall bars on your speed master, i want to put a set on my T-120 -2022 model but no one seems to know whether they would fit or not. Thankyou for your experimenting gives other riders ideas whether some parts would work or not.
Morning Beagles - I've managed to keep the bars stable by... over-tightening the bolts. Not very clever, but it works. 🤨 I was coming from a Sportster (solid mount bars) so got used to that. It's okay now, but I would prefer solid mounts - as long as the engine vibrations were minimal.
Cheers,
Chris
There’s an American chap on RUclips who fitted the TC bothers 8” mini apes. They looked pretty good, and he didn’t need extended cables.
Another alternative is the bars from the Triumph Scrambler XC. They have slightly higher rise than those from the T120 and of course, all the controls fit properly.
Morning Richard - many thanks for replying.
I think the chap you're referring to might be Daves DIY. If so, this is his video of fitting the mini apes on his Speedmaster: ruclips.net/video/u3Xa1rdDmJE/видео.html. I watched it with interest when I was looking into the handlebar change. You're right about the cables, he re-routed the standard lines, pulling them inside the yoke assembly. I didn't much like that idea, if only 'cos Triumph don't route the cables like that normally. (Does any manufacturer?)
Also, the pin - or the 'master cylinder locating lug' - means that the bars have to be drilled, or the lug has to be filed off. Either way, it's not the way I wanted to go.
I'll have to check out the XC bars though. I wasn't sure if standard Bonneville bars would fit, and I didn't even think of Scrambler bars: good spot Richard!
Cheers mate,
Chris
I sat on the new speedmaster I love the look it is better than my 2007 speedmaster but a 12 litre tank . I hate a lousy 16 litre tank.
Afternoon Deb - I seem to remember the previous models had a super-large tank option (wide, not really high volume though). Is this the 16L you're referring to?
Cheers,
Chris
Hi all, I wanted to replace a high handlebar on my speedmaster 2023, but if the handlebars become soft, I don't think it would be a good solution.
Afternoon - I managed to sort out the 'wobble' by tightening the bolts further. Must be higher than the recomended torque, but it's been working fine for over 10,000 miles now, so I'm happy.
Cheers,
Chris
Got some risers that fit RE Interceptor and bobber, no pins, does away with the rubber.
Afternoon Mark - that's interesting, I'll have to look at this - maybe 'getting rid of the rubber' is the way to go. (Is vibration now a problem?) Which ones did you get mate?
Cheers,
Chris
I've looked into the Royal Enfield options, but they're no better than the Triumph ones. First, the TEC Bike Parts 'kit':
www.tecbikeparts.com/product/interceptor-650-30mm-bar-riser-kit/
It's cheaper at £28, but all you get are two bolts, washers and spacers. Not so cheap then! They only raise the bars 30mm too - no pull-back at all.
Second, Voigt Moto Technik:
voigt-mt.de/Handlebar-riser-with-offset-for-Royal-Enfield-Interceptor-650-18
Much more expensive at €70, but much more substantial. They include two top clamp replacements which move the bars up 30mm and back 21mm. I don't want any rise, and 21mm is nowhere near what I'm after. The idea is good, I imagine more pull-back is managable with minimul redesign.
Lastly, an Indian company Indimotorad:
indimotard.com/product/royal-enfield-650-interceptor-handlebar-risers/
They cost ₹ 6,690.00 (about £65) and are quite solid looking. They raise the bars 2", and offer about 1" pull-back, which is not what I'm after. They also retain the stock rubbers, like the Voigt items, above.
So no help there, alas. I'm back to getting them custom made... one day.
Cheers,
Chris
Really helpful- thanks!
Afternoon - I'm glad you found my video helpful. And many thanks for saying so!
Cheers,
Chris
Hey there! I was wondering if you could help me out by letting me know what type of handlebars are used in the Interceptor model?
Morning - sorry, but I don't know about the different Royal Enfield bars. (Some fit RE bars to Triumphs, but that's about the sum of my knowledge!)
Sorry mate,
Chris
Another reason for me to stay with my trusty old 2004 Sportster 1200 Custom…
Bars have not changed at all…
Morning User - sorry mate, I don't know what you mean.
The audio is off. Sounds a bit underwater.
Morning Richard - I've checked again, and the audio seems fine at my end. Sorry mate!
Chris
Also I have owned 3 sportsters 1200 and they don’t come near the ride as the speedmaster
Afternoon Deb - I couldn't agree more: the Speedmaster ride is far, far superior to the Sportster ride. In fact, the whole bike is better in every way.
(But I still miss my Sportster!)
Go figure!
Cheers,
Chris
My old truimph dpeedtwin i had semi Western s anf thats what i wojld reuse again but im just an ingnorant kiwi fan
Sorry Rex, your post is difficult to read: what is 'semi Western'?
Cheers,
Chris
@@chrisoftheot6272 sorry semi westerns were a style of handlebar
Could you not grind the pins down?
Hi David - well, yes, but what's the point? Might as well just use the original risers.
Cheers,
Chris
Bring back the storm.
Morning Phillip - well, I agree that Triumph should re-introduce the Thunderbird line, but I imagine many of the same problems would occur regarding the handlebars.
Cheers,
Chris
MF is signing his comments like he is writing an email.
Cheers
Ryan
OK....I am sorry, but I cannot fathom why the original bars are not more comfortable than those mini ape hanger monstrosities.
Every (and I mean every) review I have seen of this beautiful bike says the bars and seating position is delightfully comfortable. Those ape hangers are going to mean rotator cuff surgery in the future.
As subjective as looks can be, those apes are the ugliest thing you could do to a Speedmaster. Sorry, but that is my honest opinion.
Morning Grasshoppa - I seem to remember that name from a while ago so, hello again. :-)
As for comfort reviews, well my review does not rate the riding position as 'delightfully comfortable'. It's quite good, more or less, but the forward lean hurts my back with the (beautiful) beach bars, so definately not 'delightfully comfortable' for me. Still, I believe that your medical assesment of 'rotator cuff surgery' is somewhat alarmist!
Like you, my 'subjectivity' leads me to much prefer the beach bars asthetically, but comfort is king for me so mini-apes it is.
Thanks for commenting mate,
Chris
The high bars are a very bad idea. They look terrible. Sorry
Well, none taken, obviously...
As I mentioned, I'm not a 'form over function' sort of guy: that means I will easily sacrifice 'pretty' for 'effective'. The high bars are nowhere near as nice as the beach bars, but they're much more comfortable. That trumps all for me.
High bars look great
@@chrisoftheot6272I think they look fantastic. I’ll be getting a SM at some point and will be changing to apes. This whole bike is modern version of my last bike, a 1969 ridged frame dual carb head Bonnie with a sprung seat and 12” apes. It was super comfortable and were/are the esthetic that I dig. Your bike looks great. I’ve just found your channel and I’m on my 4th video in a row. You’ve got a new subscriber
Well, thank you Glen, the vote of appreciation is very welcome.
I've had the mini-apes on for about 7000 miles now, and they are very comfortable (which is the most important thing for me). But, if you find them comfy and 'dig the esthetic', you're quids-in! 🙂
Thanks again Glen, I hope you continue to enjoy my videos.
Cheers,
Chris
Get rid an buy the Super Meteor. 💪😎
Sorry User - the Super Meteor is a fine bike, but my 1200 Speedmaster weighs 261kg, the Super Meteor weighs 241kg: double the engine for 20kg. I could buy nearly two Super Metors for the same money, but the Speedmaster is twice the bike.
Cheers,
Chris
clip ons
Maybe face the fact that the geometry doesnt suit your body. Why not trade in and get a T120?
Afternoon - I made a video a while ago about the whole choice of model after I sold my Sportster and the T120 didn't fit the bill. That said, very little 'suits my body' nowadays, so I'm a bit stuck.
And, what's to like about lampshades??
Cheers,
Chris