Numbers don't matter for mvp. Wins do. Neither do playoffs. Having a bad year doesn't make mahomes a not top 10 qb. Having a great season and mvp doesn't make goff the best qb in the league
@@wessheavner4294Chiefs as a team. Mahomes specifically has not had the greatest numbers this year. They absolutely are not undefeated without that defence carrying, and frankly, some a decent amount of luck.
Being compared as MOST valuable in the league, mahomes is vastly more valuable than goff. The lions are insanely stacked. Willis kept the Packers going, mariota kept the commanders going. Without mahomes the chiefs would probably have 0 wins
@@scottmoll1813 yeah I was watching the end of the game and saw him run. I couldn't believe it, lol. He did his job vs a top ranked defense. That is all you can ask of him.
@@ForsakenWar MCDC, Ben johnson, & Aaron Glenn are the ultimate trio of coaching. Every so often there’s a stupid decision but every team has that. Most of the time it’s well-executed (like the last 2 minutes of yesterday’s game for example)
Here’s my Overreaction Monday Overreaction: Last week, Brockman said the Lions need to call the Raiders about Maxx Crosby This week: Detroit should make a call to Cleveland about Myles Garrett
Disagree with Rich about qbs only developing if they play. They can develop on the bench. See Jordan love, Patrick mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers. Let him develop on the bench, while Flacco develops other players.
I’ve been listening to these two for quite some time, but I have to say that their chemistry is just off the charts. When you give in and accept Chris’ shtick, it becomes hilarity because it’s still not too over the top. Love these guys!
If the Bills were 6-0 despite Josh Allen throwing an interception every game this season the media would be calling him the worst in the league. Mahomes can throw as many as he wants and the rest of his team will carry him while the media calls him the GOAT, rings and legacy is really the only thing that matters to them.
LOL, people are desperately handwringing about Jordan Love's interceptions; he has 8, same as Mahomes, but literally 150% more TDs. Yeah, I think Mahomes is getting a free ride for this year's performance. He can't even whine about the quality of his receivers since it was HE HIMSELF that took his best one out for the season.
Mahomes was crap on Sunday, I agree he’ll be fine, but he’s lucky the 49ers played their worst game in 8 years. It was Purdy’s worst game ever and he had more yards and a rushing touchdown.
“No fault of the Jets that Rodgers got hurt last year” …They hitched their wagon to a 40 year old QB showing signs of decline and put him behind a terrible O line.
I 100% agree with Brockman over the Mahomes thing. If someone gave you his stats this season and didn't name the QB, you'd say he sucks. I think for me it's more the fact that draftkings has him as the MVP favorite. HOW!!!!!! Goff, stroud, allen, lamar, they've all played better. The bias is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm not a Chiefs fan but he's still got plenty of rings and an undefeated team. In the NFL at the end of the day winning is everything. And Pat Hahomes has done a lot of it. Stats aint the end all be all of things.
People don't watch the Chiefs games. A different QB would lose that game. He had difficulty judging Worthy's speed (under and overthrows); Worthy is still green. Apart from the interceptions (tipped and Worthy tripped), most of the missed throws were thrown away. Mahome, with those stats, is still the best quarterback in the NFL.
I like how you mentioned stroud for MVP but about about love. Played less games then the people mentioned and is up there for touchdown passes at 15. I know he has 8 ints, but he takes risks just like his childhood idol Brett Frave. If you know Frave he’s a gun slinger, he will launch the ball 50 yards down field for either a crazy accurate pass or some dumb int that gives the opposing team a chance. But still though I’d throw love in there for MVP odds
I agree with Chris. The 49ers are done. Their SB window has closed. I can't see them beating the Lion, Vikings, or Packers to get out of the NFC, much less the Chiefs or Ravens. They are old and done. Age and the cap is catching up to them. Rebuilding is going to be hard against their cap numbers.
Niner fan here. I have to agree with you. They need a better player development and conditioning program to quickly bring up their rookie players to play up to speed and successfully take over their injured starters. Also, Shanahan's playbook needs an overhaul because everyone has already read it.
I would agree with you had I not witnessed Shanahan lead an injury plagued Niners team to the NFC Championship multiple times behind Jimmy G and an unproven Mr. Irrelevant. Both times during the time the Rams were better with an active Aaron Donald and Kupp/Puka.
AR should sit behind Flacco to learn how to make the easy throws that he's failing to make. He was drafted as a raw talent so get him behind a good and stable talent like Flacco and develop him. Not every rookie is a day one starter.
I would agree if his issue was with reading coverage, or understanding the playbook. But his issue is mechanical. If he's not the starter than he's not getting first team reps in practice either. He needs the reps, Rich gets it.
Exactly what KC did with Mahomes. Sat behind Alex Smith for his rookie year and got his feet wet in the last week when the Chiefs rested their starters ... and still got a win against the Broncos. I think AR would benefit long-term with that approach.
@@ThatDrummaDaveYou're right and I was telling Colts fans that they needed to be patient with your boy this season. As a Texans fan, an accurate AR is a scary proposition.
Two things can be true at once: 1. Mahomes is an all-time great and still has a long, successful career ahead. 2. Mahomes is not currently - so far this season - playing like a top 10 quarterback in the NFL. Chris is right.
@@Gungho73 yes, and we also often ignore nuance too. Rich is usually good with nuance in this Overraction show, but for this take they switched roles and it was Chris being nuanced and Rich being obtuse.
@@NotAnotherDouc- I was honestly taken aback by it. I'm willing to acknowledge that maybe a team that is good enough to win 2 SB's back to back, has kept its core HC/DC/front office, may in fact be good enough to weather the storm of their QB's unimpressive play 2 months effectively into the season. For me, knocking Mahomes down the QB peg is acknowledging the reality that the rest of his roster is pretty good or coached often well enough to circumvent it and should get a lions share of the credit. I'm willing to respect the roster and apparently that offends people.
Also true, mahomes is missing his top 2 receivers and his last 3 interceptions were a tipped ball or receiver fell down so probably not as bad as the stats say either
@@draysonmichael261 that’s definitely fair, you’re not wrong. But also worth noting, any time you have to go out of your way to defend multiple interceptions, that QB probably isn’t playing like a top QB in the league.
Do you think that Russell Wilson has finally realized that he had it great in Seattle? Do you think Russell realized that he needs a great run game to be successful and that having a similar offense to what he had in Seattle helps him?
The discussion around Pat Mahomes is something I really dont like. The guy is playing kind of bad. Will he get any criticism by most? Nope. But everyone else will for their mistakes. Just treat them all the same. Everyone has down years. Brady had them, Mahomes had them. They weren’t consistently the best 2 every year. They were always top 10 though, and Mahomes still is regardless of the numbers. But at the same point he doesn’t deserve something like a pro bowl THIS YEAR, so far. Not that the stats are ultimately what matters for winning, really just the awards and stuff like that.
People love using stats when it supports their argument but put down stats when it disproves their argument. Or twisting the numbers to make their argument. Either stats count or don’t.
If Allen had Mahommes's numbers this year, it would be wall to wall "turnover machine" narrative. Good to know turnovers only apply to Allen, kind of like how Mahommes had 21 turnovers and won the MVP in 2018 but Allen has 22 last year despite leading the league in yards and touchdowns but doesn't even get a pro bowl knod. The glaze never ceases to amaze me, and I actually like Mahommes, but the double standard is crazy
Patrick Mahomes had a passer rating of 113.8 with 5,097 yards, 50 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in 16 games in 2018. He was selected to play in his first Pro Bowl. He won his first Offensive Player of the Year award and his first MVP award.
Same with Burrow. He can do absolutely no wrong and the glazing might even be worse with him, at least Mahomes has won something. Burrow should’ve been voted the “most overrated player” not Allen.
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Here we go my reactions to the over reactions! 1. Slight overreaction the ravens are a wagon right now however Pitt does have a good record against them 2. Honestly, seems like a fair take at this point although injuries have ruined the niners this year kc was just as banged up not a good look for sure. 3. Honestly yeah we all know jones isn’t good maybe they want the draft pick? 4. He’s right up there. I’m biased as a bucs fan and I think baker is right up there, we will see how this ages tonight. 5. Honestly the most sane take brockman has ever had. The jets are a disaster 6. Win the afc south is a stretch, can the be more competitive, yes but they need to give AR the reps. 7. That seems unlikely unless utter catastrophe happens. The nfc north will only have 3 imo south honestly might get 1, west probably gets only 1 and east 1 or 2 seems unlikely. 8. The numbers have been awful no doubt but pat still makes a ton of plays. The chiefs aren’t a super explosive team anymore they only need a couple of offensive plays a game to win. He’s still too clutch.
Way overreaction. The Chiefs defense is at least as good and Mahomes always makes just enough plays to win. Let’s not forget the Steelers lost to the Cowboys who have proven to be terrible.
@jdaddyrizzo Conditions had a lot to do with that game. It rained for 2 hours. Besides one game doesn't dictate a whole team. Jets were praised. Now they're not.
Bro… there are shades of gold. I get where you are coming from, but look up shades of gold and tell me half of them arent yellow. Gold and yellow are nearly synonymous because in most applications yellow and not real gold must be used. Heres one: 🥇
@@BoHorn All of the major organisations I worked for had their official colour swatches for their corporate logos, uniforms, publications etc etc. I'd imagine every major organisation does. Factual evidence is just the easiest way to resolve these futile opinion based disputes. Most laypeople misinterpret or don't understand the nuance of words and specialist information in fields outside their own. But as the saying goes opinions are like assholes,
Disagree with Rich re' Richardson)Colts. Play to win, the Colts should start Flacco and put the training wheels back on Richardson. He's not even good enough that game reps help him. Keep him handy for read option plays, but until he learns to how throw the f-ing ball (outside of monstrous bombs) I wouldn't let him anywhere near the start.
The Narrative surrounding Kyle Shannahan abt him not being able to “win” is the same narrative everyone had abt Andy Reid when he was the Coach in Philly.
I like how Chris criticizes the colts for starting Anthony Richardson over Joe Flacco but he’s been begging for Drake mate to start and he’s been blown out by 20 points we both know our young qbs have potential they just need time
Are we really blaming the 49ers injured recievers for this loss? Who was mahomes throwing to again? Mr. Top 5 QB wins is supposed to overcome at some point and beat the chiefs
Once the Niners get healthy, everything will be different. And while yes everyone is dealing with injuries, most teams aren't rolling out their WR4 as their WR1 like they had to this past weekend.
SanFran down top RB and now top WR. Chiefs down top RB and top TWO WR as well as a Historically slow start from Travis Kelce, yet still Willing their way to wins. Stop making excuses for the Niners...
I’m a Niners fan, and yes the injuries are absolutely horrible; but honestly that doesn’t even begin to explain last Sunday. I know they’re way better than that, but damn they looked like the 2016 Niners
I know it’s Overreaction Monday but to be still hearing people ask if Purdy is great or not (which seems only being asked based on the loss against KC Sunday) is so tiring. He’s a top 10 QB. Mahomes is in his own class. Unfair to compare anyone to him. What he’s done without Tyreek the last couple seasons, and with Rice out for this season while Pacheco misses at least half of it is ridiculous. Purdy himself is fine and only gonna get better either experience. People forget this is only his (hopefully) second complete season as the starter.
@@scottmoll1813 They still have a lot of their core under contract past this season. Brock’s not gonna be getting top 5 money imo unless they win the Super Bowl. SF’s had a great track record for the most part with their contracts, which has kept their window open since 2019 and will still be open past 2024, just not as wide.
What do you mean "what Mahomes is doing with Rice out this season?" Mahomes looks like complete trash this year compared to every other year of his entire career. He is 21st in ANY/A and Passing TD's 23rd in passer rating 16th in passing yards and has the most INTs in football
Next week, the overreaction will be that everyone overhyped the Bears. That's right. Not only are the Bears going to get whooped by the Commanders, they're actually going to get whooped by the Commanders and Marcus Mariota.
Agreed. The Bears have lost games to some weak teams and beaten bad teams much less convincingly than the Commanders have beaten those same teams. All signs point to Bears taking an L back to their den
That’s for real. Not to mention that Mahomes top WRs are not to the talent level of Deebo or Aiyuk. Mahomes reminds me of Brady who won with a rag tag set of receivers. Purdy will always need high level talent around him to achieve success into the post season
If every qb was available in a league wide draft everyone would take Mahomes first over all those guys because everyone knows who the best qb actually is. Y’all can keep crying about it😂🤣
im a Jets fan (yes; sadly) but Detroit is like a second home and got many friends there. I'm super happy for my Lions fans friends. God knows we all grew up mutually feeling "what the hell is going on?" lmao happy for them becoming what they are now.
Its like things r upside down Lions good Buffalo bills good (idk y people forget the bills sucked for 20yrs) Washington football team good Mahomes is turrible this yr Browns got better losing there starting qb
Why does everyone keep saying Purdy was down to his 4-7 wide receivers??? SO IS MAHOMES!!! 1) Hollywood Brown-out 2) Rashee Rice-out 3) Juju Smith-Shuster-out, not to mention the Chiefs are without their 1&2 running backs!
I think they should definitely play Flacco over the rookie if gives team a better chance to win, and will teach the rookie a ton game experience if they have a good QB coach
His tackles are playing better than everyone to the right of Trent Williams and he still had Kelce and worthy who are his #1 and #4 weapons, Purdy was down his #1, #3, #4, and #5 top weapons and his #6 is mason and #7 is a rookie who got shot and just had his first in game action. And let’s not forget he was hurt all offseason as well.
Total overreaction on the whole 49ers take considering the team was 3-4 before and still made it to the NFC Championship behind Jimmy G and there were plenty of injuries during that time as well. Rich broke the scenario down perfectly 👍🏾
The problem with starting Flacco is what are you going to get by doing that? Maybe you make the playoffs? Get a bad draft pick? Flacco going tp play for the next 5 or 10 years? It's not about winning todays game, it's about the franchise long term.
The problem is the young guy they have that Flacco would start in front of, isn't going to get mechanically better by playing through it. Him sitting and working on his mechanics behind a veteran for at least another year and full offseason, without dealing with injuries who can actually move this offense with any consistency is more important for the franchise long term. Putting him out there is accepting what he is at this point of his career and not expecting him to get better and accepting he's going to be a liability as a passer.
As a steeler fan it hurts me to say this but Lamar is by far the best QB in the AFC north, but if the steelers defense can keep playing at this level and rus can keep throwing the deep ball its going to be a great/exciting race for the AFC north. Love this division, and when it gets cold its even better.
Oh so the Niners can use the injury excuse but the Chiefs are trotting out Justin Watson, Mecole Hardman, Xavier Worthy and Skyy (can’t catch) Moore and people just keep talking about how bad Mahomes is.
Living in Indiana my hope is that the Colts stick with Richards and continue to have a worse record each year until a certain QB at Texas is in the draft.
Patrick Mahomes elevates the Chiefs defense, allowing them to take risks, and intimidates other team defenses, making them always question how the Chiefs will attack them!
Rich: *explains why Goff is the MVP with numbers*
Chris: *explains why Mahomes is not a top 10 qb with numbers*
Rich: “You’re gonna give me numbers?!”
Numbers don't matter for mvp. Wins do. Neither do playoffs. Having a bad year doesn't make mahomes a not top 10 qb. Having a great season and mvp doesn't make goff the best qb in the league
KC hasn't lost since Christmas day and that includes 2 wins over both #1 seeds in last year's playoffs
@@wessheavner4294Chiefs as a team. Mahomes specifically has not had the greatest numbers this year.
They absolutely are not undefeated without that defence carrying, and frankly, some a decent amount of luck.
Compare who the two QB's are throwing the ball to.
Being compared as MOST valuable in the league, mahomes is vastly more valuable than goff. The lions are insanely stacked. Willis kept the Packers going, mariota kept the commanders going. Without mahomes the chiefs would probably have 0 wins
I'm a Ravens fan but "that's why I'm well compensated" is an Elite mic drop 😂
I'm far from a Steelers fan, but Tomlin is awesome.
Russ has never played in a Ravens/Steelers game. He has no clue what he is in for. :)
They are playoffs games every time.
@@JustAFan444 Ya gotta respect the guy. :)
After watching Lamar tonight, my guy Goff looks to be second in the MVP vote. My goodness what a show.
@VulcanLogic I would agree, but voters are going to point to Henry as a big part of his success which, fair or not, will hurt him a little bit.
Rich is taking this Russell wilson situation personally. Tom, this is business, and this man is taking this very, very personal. 😂
good, now maybe he'll shut up about the Jets a bit.
I instinctively read this in Sonny’s voice lol
Great scene!
Sonny Sonny😂😂😂😂😂
When talking about Brian Branch, they missed a great opportunity to show Grossi's draft reaction to the Lions drafting Branch 😂
I always post "BRIAN BRANCH" when saying hi to him.
Considering we got Jayden Reed out of that deal, I think we’ll live lol.
Who dF is Grossi?! 🤣🤣🍻
@@godagon97 NFL Fan of the year award winner. It's an official award given out by the NFL. He's kind of a big deal. People know him.
"You're a moron."
I was dying at that!
BTW Chris, The Goff take is spot on. I firmly believe the Lions are the team to beat.
Goff looks great. He’s been damn near perfect.
@@scottmoll1813 yeah I was watching the end of the game and saw him run. I couldn't believe it, lol. He did his job vs a top ranked defense. That is all you can ask of him.
@@scottmoll1813Coaching may do them in...
@@ForsakenWar MCDC, Ben johnson, & Aaron Glenn are the ultimate trio of coaching. Every so often there’s a stupid decision but every team has that. Most of the time it’s well-executed (like the last 2 minutes of yesterday’s game for example)
@@jazzlyn1891 🤦♂️😅'The ultimate of coaching'... Wow... just wow... lol
Brockmans Cadence in this segment is so good.
Quit polishing his head.
The "Over Reaction" segments are usually about 45min long. They are so good that it seems like only 12- 15mins. Love you Rich.
Here’s my Overreaction Monday Overreaction:
Last week, Brockman said the Lions need to call the Raiders about Maxx Crosby
This week: Detroit should make a call to Cleveland about Myles Garrett
As a Steelers fan, sounds delightful
They gotta get someone. The team is right there to win it all but i don't think they can without pressuring the QB
@@KZ3fps They could beat anyone in the league 34-31
@@softjones3128 they could, but i'd rather they beat anyone in the league 34-21. That game yesterday isn't as close if Hutch is playing imo.
@@softjones3128Not scoring 34 on KC defense. Not likely anyhow
Goff survived being coached by Fisher..he deserves mvp for that alone!!
Pretty much....I was yelling the same during the hot take.
I was at my sports bar when I heard this comment on the TV. The entire bar, some 40-50 people, all yelled out that exact comment about Fisher.
That’s a true statement.
I smash like as soon as the tape rolls. Thanks Rich and Chris for this. Go Bills!
I know Rich is an 80s kid, but he doesn't use tape.
@@Kube_Dog dude just going retro bro... 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
"I saw Purdy throwing to the other team" 😂
Disagree with Rich about qbs only developing if they play. They can develop on the bench. See Jordan love, Patrick mahomes, and Aaron Rodgers.
Let him develop on the bench, while Flacco develops other players.
Love yalls show. Rich and Chris together have great chemistry. Keep it up fellas.
I’ve been listening to these two for quite some time, but I have to say that their chemistry is just off the charts. When you give in and accept Chris’ shtick, it becomes hilarity because it’s still not too over the top. Love these guys!
If the Bills were 6-0 despite Josh Allen throwing an interception every game this season the media would be calling him the worst in the league. Mahomes can throw as many as he wants and the rest of his team will carry him while the media calls him the GOAT, rings and legacy is really the only thing that matters to them.
LOL, people are desperately handwringing about Jordan Love's interceptions; he has 8, same as Mahomes, but literally 150% more TDs. Yeah, I think Mahomes is getting a free ride for this year's performance. He can't even whine about the quality of his receivers since it was HE HIMSELF that took his best one out for the season.
Yup
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Mahomes was crap on Sunday, I agree he’ll be fine, but he’s lucky the 49ers played their worst game in 8 years. It was Purdy’s worst game ever and he had more yards and a rushing touchdown.
Mahomes is the most clutch player there is
Nobody Beats Goff!
What's their record?
“No fault of the Jets that Rodgers got hurt last year”
…They hitched their wagon to a 40 year old QB showing signs of decline and put him behind a terrible O line.
On a playing surface players hate playing on.
@mansionman777 They'd probably have argued that Wilson was their "capable back-up" that they were "giving a chance to successfully groom."
I just like that the current NFC playoff picture has the entire North in the playoffs.
Feels good, man.
lol season is so early!
I 100% agree with Brockman over the Mahomes thing. If someone gave you his stats this season and didn't name the QB, you'd say he sucks. I think for me it's more the fact that draftkings has him as the MVP favorite. HOW!!!!!! Goff, stroud, allen, lamar, they've all played better. The bias is absolutely ridiculous.
And yet he is winning with no weapons!
Draft kings just wants people to bet on him for easy money
I'm not a Chiefs fan but he's still got plenty of rings and an undefeated team. In the NFL at the end of the day winning is everything. And Pat Hahomes has done a lot of it. Stats aint the end all be all of things.
People don't watch the Chiefs games. A different QB would lose that game. He had difficulty judging Worthy's speed (under and overthrows); Worthy is still green. Apart from the interceptions (tipped and Worthy tripped), most of the missed throws were thrown away. Mahome, with those stats, is still the best quarterback in the NFL.
I like how you mentioned stroud for MVP but about about love. Played less games then the people mentioned and is up there for touchdown passes at 15. I know he has 8 ints, but he takes risks just like his childhood idol Brett Frave. If you know Frave he’s a gun slinger, he will launch the ball 50 yards down field for either a crazy accurate pass or some dumb int that gives the opposing team a chance. But still though I’d throw love in there for MVP odds
My favorite segment of the podcast is when Rich and Brockman really excel. It's the best podcast around... except for one. Guesses?
Wtf? (What The Football?)
who the eff cares? that's my fav one lmao
Grossi and Perna?
Best part of the new week!
It's starting to get spicy 🔥
I agree with Chris. The 49ers are done. Their SB window has closed. I can't see them beating the Lion, Vikings, or Packers to get out of the NFC, much less the Chiefs or Ravens. They are old and done. Age and the cap is catching up to them. Rebuilding is going to be hard against their cap numbers.
You forgot injury prone. Every year they always get hit with injuries and it never ends. It's like a training or conditioning problem at this point.
Niner fan here. I have to agree with you. They need a better player development and conditioning program to quickly bring up their rookie players to play up to speed and successfully take over their injured starters. Also, Shanahan's playbook needs an overhaul because everyone has already read it.
I would agree with you had I not witnessed Shanahan lead an injury plagued Niners team to the NFC Championship multiple times behind Jimmy G and an unproven Mr. Irrelevant. Both times during the time the Rams were better with an active Aaron Donald and Kupp/Puka.
Their window might be closed, but on the other hand, when they get their players back they could come back ferociously and catch everyone off guard.
AR should sit behind Flacco to learn how to make the easy throws that he's failing to make. He was drafted as a raw talent so get him behind a good and stable talent like Flacco and develop him. Not every rookie is a day one starter.
Richardson has never and probs will never make those easy throws
@@ga6257 a reason he should be developed, he's not Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck. He's not a day 1 starter
I would agree if his issue was with reading coverage, or understanding the playbook. But his issue is mechanical. If he's not the starter than he's not getting first team reps in practice either. He needs the reps, Rich gets it.
Exactly what KC did with Mahomes. Sat behind Alex Smith for his rookie year and got his feet wet in the last week when the Chiefs rested their starters ... and still got a win against the Broncos. I think AR would benefit long-term with that approach.
@@ThatDrummaDaveYou're right and I was telling Colts fans that they needed to be patient with your boy this season. As a Texans fan, an accurate AR is a scary proposition.
Two things can be true at once:
1. Mahomes is an all-time great and still has a long, successful career ahead.
2. Mahomes is not currently - so far this season - playing like a top 10 quarterback in the NFL.
Chris is right.
Absolutely. People get so irritable its insane.
@@Gungho73 yes, and we also often ignore nuance too. Rich is usually good with nuance in this Overraction show, but for this take they switched roles and it was Chris being nuanced and Rich being obtuse.
@@NotAnotherDouc- I was honestly taken aback by it. I'm willing to acknowledge that maybe a team that is good enough to win 2 SB's back to back, has kept its core HC/DC/front office, may in fact be good enough to weather the storm of their QB's unimpressive play 2 months effectively into the season. For me, knocking Mahomes down the QB peg is acknowledging the reality that the rest of his roster is pretty good or coached often well enough to circumvent it and should get a lions share of the credit. I'm willing to respect the roster and apparently that offends people.
Also true, mahomes is missing his top 2 receivers and his last 3 interceptions were a tipped ball or receiver fell down so probably not as bad as the stats say either
@@draysonmichael261 that’s definitely fair, you’re not wrong. But also worth noting, any time you have to go out of your way to defend multiple interceptions, that QB probably isn’t playing like a top QB in the league.
you guys were cooking with gas td, best episode of the season so far
Do you think that Russell Wilson has finally realized that he had it great in Seattle? Do you think Russell realized that he needs a great run game to be successful and that having a similar offense to what he had in Seattle helps him?
Agree with the Goff take. Hes been elite. Gotta give credit where its due.
“Good to know! You’re a moron!” Dude I spit my drink out with that one haha
I enjoy watching all of y’all videos! Hope to be apart of the show one day! Y’all are awesome!
you already are apart. you desire to be a part of the show.
The discussion around Pat Mahomes is something I really dont like. The guy is playing kind of bad. Will he get any criticism by most? Nope. But everyone else will for their mistakes. Just treat them all the same. Everyone has down years. Brady had them, Mahomes had them. They weren’t consistently the best 2 every year. They were always top 10 though, and Mahomes still is regardless of the numbers. But at the same point he doesn’t deserve something like a pro bowl THIS YEAR, so far. Not that the stats are ultimately what matters for winning, really just the awards and stuff like that.
Literally everyone is saying that Mahomes isn't playing well
Lions vs Chiefs Super Bowl would be a ton of fun to watch!!
Vikings - Buffalo
Looks like 24 is the magic number for the jets. Scoring Under 24 they lose, 24 and over is a win. Wait, they haven't scored over 24 yet. 😮
I agree. BRAVO MIKE TOMLIN. OUTSTANDING SIR.
When Rich called him a moron, Im 💀🧟♂️💀🤣🤣🤣
Rich man...... dont ignore stats for Mahomes pls
stats are overrated...seriously. I agree with Rich
there's certain intangibles that make players great
stats are just a number
@@mythrapi73 ok I’ll keep that in mind for every QB then
@@codyfrance2537still can’t believe the refs made Brock throw 3 picks, so rigged it’s crazy
If the whole NFC North makes the playoffs I will be so happy but also sad. I will be very conflicted. One Pride!!
The look on his face about calling the panthers giants game😂
Giants 47 - Panthers 12
This is the best show in football
First things First is the best 🤣💯💯💯👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
People love using stats when it supports their argument but put down stats when it disproves their argument. Or twisting the numbers to make their argument. Either stats count or don’t.
Prime example = Mahomes for MVP
Election year
22% of people who read your comment liked it.
What does last year’s Jets have to do with Rodgers being 2-5 this year answer NOTHING
I don't share Rich's take on AR. I think it would do him good to sit behind Flacco and learn. AR is clearly not ready to play yet.
He's getting old, but he's not riding the bench, dude. That's a crazy take.
Jared Goff is HIM!!!
Jesus?
@@softjones3128 yes my child?
If Allen had Mahommes's numbers this year, it would be wall to wall "turnover machine" narrative.
Good to know turnovers only apply to Allen, kind of like how Mahommes had 21 turnovers and won the MVP in 2018 but Allen has 22 last year despite leading the league in yards and touchdowns but doesn't even get a pro bowl knod.
The glaze never ceases to amaze me, and I actually like Mahommes, but the double standard is crazy
Patrick Mahomes had a passer rating of 113.8 with 5,097 yards, 50 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in 16 games in 2018. He was selected to play in his first Pro Bowl. He won his first Offensive Player of the Year award and his first MVP award.
Same with Burrow. He can do absolutely no wrong and the glazing might even be worse with him, at least Mahomes has won something. Burrow should’ve been voted the “most overrated player” not Allen.
Agree with Chris about Mahomes. The Chiefs are winning because of the Elite defence and Reid elite coaching is carrying Mahomes to wins!!
There has always been magic in Russell's throws
Am i overreacting if i complain about the icy hot commercials?
Definitely not an overreaction. I think I saw Shaq for as much screen time as I saw Rich.
NOT an overreaction.
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Here we go my reactions to the over reactions!
1. Slight overreaction the ravens are a wagon right now however Pitt does have a good record against them
2. Honestly, seems like a fair take at this point although injuries have ruined the niners this year kc was just as banged up not a good look for sure.
3. Honestly yeah we all know jones isn’t good maybe they want the draft pick?
4. He’s right up there. I’m biased as a bucs fan and I think baker is right up there, we will see how this ages tonight.
5. Honestly the most sane take brockman has ever had. The jets are a disaster
6. Win the afc south is a stretch, can the be more competitive, yes but they need to give AR the reps.
7. That seems unlikely unless utter catastrophe happens. The nfc north will only have 3 imo south honestly might get 1, west probably gets only 1 and east 1 or 2 seems unlikely.
8. The numbers have been awful no doubt but pat still makes a ton of plays. The chiefs aren’t a super explosive team anymore they only need a couple of offensive plays a game to win. He’s still too clutch.
Overreaction Monday: this Steelers defense is good enough to WIN the AFC
they're good but not going to beat the chiefs
@mythrapi73 I disagree. The WR group is so beat up that Mahomes is doing it all on his own. 2 headed dragon on that Steelers D will get him.
Any given Sunday. You hit Pat the right way, score a few defensive TDs and a few on offense. Steelers could beat em
Way overreaction. The Chiefs defense is at least as good and Mahomes always makes just enough plays to win. Let’s not forget the Steelers lost to the Cowboys who have proven to be terrible.
@jdaddyrizzo Conditions had a lot to do with that game. It rained for 2 hours. Besides one game doesn't dictate a whole team. Jets were praised. Now they're not.
Only the color blind should identify the Steelers as black and gold. Their uniforms, their merchandise, their logo is no-doubt-about-it YELLOW!!!
Many folks see colour differently - the Steelers marketing team will have the official pantone colour definition.
Bro… there are shades of gold. I get where you are coming from, but look up shades of gold and tell me half of them arent yellow. Gold and yellow are nearly synonymous because in most applications yellow and not real gold must be used. Heres one: 🥇
@@BoHorn All of the major organisations I worked for had their official colour swatches for their corporate logos, uniforms, publications etc etc. I'd imagine every major organisation does.
Factual evidence is just the easiest way to resolve these futile opinion based disputes. Most laypeople misinterpret or don't understand the nuance of words and specialist information in fields outside their own.
But as the saying goes opinions are like assholes,
You can argue about is it yellow or gold, but no one denies they're black.
This is not an over reaction I’m 68 and been a Steeler fan all my life and THAT is definitely better than being a Jets fan
Steelers would have another ring or two if it wasn't for overrated knucklehead Tomlin. DEI hires never pan out.
Disagree with Rich re' Richardson)Colts.
Play to win, the Colts should start Flacco and put the training wheels back on Richardson. He's not even good enough that game reps help him. Keep him handy for read option plays, but until he learns to how throw the f-ing ball (outside of monstrous bombs) I wouldn't let him anywhere near the start.
The Narrative surrounding Kyle Shannahan abt him not being able to “win” is the same narrative everyone had abt Andy Reid when he was the Coach in Philly.
Professor X vs Lex Luthor. 🤣🤣🍻
I like how Chris criticizes the colts for starting Anthony Richardson over Joe Flacco but he’s been begging for Drake mate to start and he’s been blown out by 20 points we both know our young qbs have potential they just need time
Sonic and Knuckles is an elite name for those two
Are we really blaming the 49ers injured recievers for this loss? Who was mahomes throwing to again? Mr. Top 5 QB wins is supposed to overcome at some point and beat the chiefs
These pretzels are making me thirsty!! Sup tj!!!
Goalpost-moving Brockman came out strong on the 49ers segment
Rich needs to get a fried pork shank and a nice cold Paulaner Oktoberfest in the English Garden before that Munich game.
No he doesn't.
Branch has also had multiple takeaways taken away from him this season because of razor close replays or defensive penalties on his teammates.
Overreaction question for next week is: Will Michigan have 4 losses in a row after losing to Michigan State and the Ducks coming up ?
That's a great question 👍
this show is usually only about the NFL but then Rich loves Michigan so lol
Finally JG gets his flowers! Yes Lions is new “Americas team”Thank you! 🏈🦁
Did he also get caps tipped off to him?
As a Seahawk fan fire, Shanahan 😅
Once the Niners get healthy, everything will be different. And while yes everyone is dealing with injuries, most teams aren't rolling out their WR4 as their WR1 like they had to this past weekend.
Apart from the Chiefs
The Chiefs are as well
SanFran down top RB and now top WR. Chiefs down top RB and top TWO WR as well as a Historically slow start from Travis Kelce, yet still Willing their way to wins. Stop making excuses for the Niners...
@@Captaintomacus Chiefs got their top WRs only Rice is missing.
I’m a Niners fan, and yes the injuries are absolutely horrible; but honestly that doesn’t even begin to explain last Sunday. I know they’re way better than that, but damn they looked like the 2016 Niners
The 0-40 stat is amazing
I know it’s Overreaction Monday but to be still hearing people ask if Purdy is great or not (which seems only being asked based on the loss against KC Sunday) is so tiring. He’s a top 10 QB. Mahomes is in his own class. Unfair to compare anyone to him. What he’s done without Tyreek the last couple seasons, and with Rice out for this season while Pacheco misses at least half of it is ridiculous. Purdy himself is fine and only gonna get better either experience. People forget this is only his (hopefully) second complete season as the starter.
But once he gets paid then there goes the core
@@scottmoll1813 They still have a lot of their core under contract past this season. Brock’s not gonna be getting top 5 money imo unless they win the Super Bowl. SF’s had a great track record for the most part with their contracts, which has kept their window open since 2019 and will still be open past 2024, just not as wide.
What do you mean "what Mahomes is doing with Rice out this season?" Mahomes looks like complete trash this year compared to every other year of his entire career.
He is 21st in ANY/A and Passing TD's
23rd in passer rating
16th in passing yards
and has the most INTs in football
@@173jaSon371 he’s still winning games, and if he’s not having a Mahomes-like game, he’s still putting them into position to win.
@173jaSon371 and ALL he does is win baby...lol
*JARED GOFF* 🔥
America's team baby! One Pride 🦁
Next week, the overreaction will be that everyone overhyped the Bears. That's right. Not only are the Bears going to get whooped by the Commanders, they're actually going to get whooped by the Commanders and Marcus Mariota.
Chicago should have traded the pick!
rofllll
Agreed. The Bears have lost games to some weak teams and beaten bad teams much less convincingly than the Commanders have beaten those same teams. All signs point to Bears taking an L back to their den
Jared Goff is the best pocket passer in the league and the Lions O-line is the best pass & run offense in the league. Goff is the MVP at this point.
Brockman is 100% right about the 49ers on everything he said.
What's the Ravens record against the Steelers during Lamar's tenor?
As bad as his playoff record.
9:07. Mahomes did not have their 1,2, or 3 WRs either. Stop acting like Purdy has an excuse here.
That’s for real. Not to mention that Mahomes top WRs are not to the talent level of Deebo or Aiyuk. Mahomes reminds me of Brady who won with a rag tag set of receivers. Purdy will always need high level talent around him to achieve success into the post season
There’s a difference between not having good targets and switching out all your targets during a game.
I like that this bit causes Rich to talk to Chris like he's a 4-year-old.
Brockmans take on Shanahan and Purdy are spot on !
The moment he brought his patriots into the conversation, he melted right inside because he knows it’s true
I thought Saleh was the problem there in New Jersey? What happen, they have Adams and they where just a QB away right?
Ownership is the problem with the Jets.
Maybe they fired him because of bigotry.
Chris is right about 49ers
This show should be called “Will Richs head explode or will he fire Brockman?”
NFL is babying QBs is a big way.
12 better Qb than MAHOMES this season…
Goff
Jackson
Love
Allen
Mayfield
Burrow
Daniels
Darnold
Stroud
Purdy
Herbert
Smith
But only if you use STATS!
they don't have a formual invented yet to measure the best QB
intangibles can't be assigned a number but if it could
Mahomes would be number 1
He already beat 4 of your list. What does that say?
And yet without his first receivers and top running back he is undefeated!! Figure that?
If every qb was available in a league wide draft everyone would take Mahomes first over all those guys because everyone knows who the best qb actually is. Y’all can keep crying about it😂🤣
The takeway I got from that is this; if NE beats the Jets this week, is that the end on NYJ's playoff hopes?
Coach Tomlin with the 🎤 drop!!!
im a Jets fan (yes; sadly) but Detroit is like a second home and got many friends there. I'm super happy for my Lions fans friends. God knows we all grew up mutually feeling "what the hell is going on?" lmao
happy for them becoming what they are now.
Its like things r upside down
Lions good
Buffalo bills good (idk y people forget the bills sucked for 20yrs)
Washington football team good
Mahomes is turrible this yr
Browns got better losing there starting qb
Don’t worry lions will be bumped in the playoffs. Can’t wait for it too
Why does everyone keep saying Purdy was down to his 4-7 wide receivers??? SO IS MAHOMES!!! 1) Hollywood Brown-out 2) Rashee Rice-out 3) Juju Smith-Shuster-out, not to mention the Chiefs are without their 1&2 running backs!
Relax. It's not that big a deal.
Russell played OK in his last year in Seattle. He cameback to quickly from injury. He saw Geno warming up for 3 games and though oh oh
I think they should definitely play Flacco over the rookie if gives team a better chance to win, and will teach the rookie a ton game experience if they have a good QB coach
Mahomes is without his top 5 weapons lol and playing with two terrible tackles. And the 2 its yesterday where not his fault
It’s ok dude, he’s having an off year. Both Mahomes and Purdy are WAY better than whatever that was Sunday.
His tackles are playing better than everyone to the right of Trent Williams and he still had Kelce and worthy who are his #1 and #4 weapons, Purdy was down his #1, #3, #4, and #5 top weapons and his #6 is mason and #7 is a rookie who got shot and just had his first in game action. And let’s not forget he was hurt all offseason as well.
Shhhhhhh you’re going to upset the box score watchers
They forgot Geno Smith.
Yup classic, we used to this, let's not tell them how many yards he has🤫
Total overreaction on the whole 49ers take considering the team was 3-4 before and still made it to the NFC Championship behind Jimmy G and there were plenty of injuries during that time as well. Rich broke the scenario down perfectly 👍🏾
The problem with starting Flacco is what are you going to get by doing that? Maybe you make the playoffs? Get a bad draft pick? Flacco going tp play for the next 5 or 10 years? It's not about winning todays game, it's about the franchise long term.
The problem is the young guy they have that Flacco would start in front of, isn't going to get mechanically better by playing through it. Him sitting and working on his mechanics behind a veteran for at least another year and full offseason, without dealing with injuries who can actually move this offense with any consistency is more important for the franchise long term. Putting him out there is accepting what he is at this point of his career and not expecting him to get better and accepting he's going to be a liability as a passer.
As a steeler fan it hurts me to say this but Lamar is by far the best QB in the AFC north, but if the steelers defense can keep playing at this level and rus can keep throwing the deep ball its going to be a great/exciting race for the AFC north. Love this division, and when it gets cold its even better.
Oh so the Niners can use the injury excuse but the Chiefs are trotting out Justin Watson, Mecole Hardman, Xavier Worthy and Skyy (can’t catch) Moore and people just keep talking about how bad Mahomes is.
Exactly 👍😅
Well when you have the refs in your back pocket it’s expected 🤣🤣🤣
Living in Indiana my hope is that the Colts stick with Richards and continue to have a worse record each year until a certain QB at Texas is in the draft.
READY! 🏈
best football segment. best sports segment in all of the world! facts 👏
No. Just no.
Patrick Mahomes elevates the Chiefs defense, allowing them to take risks, and intimidates other team defenses, making them always question how the Chiefs will attack them!
Rich roasting the Giants/Panthers is hilarious and based. Like yeah, that game will be awful for sure. Can they somehow both lose?