Sidenote: shot this one at the end of the day (with some phantomleaf & DPM) so it didn't get as much camera time. Worse still, worked off a different PC and this one came out quite saturated only after upload :/ next few are gonna be rad though so looking forward to showing them!
On the new uniforms that are being introduced right now, they've made the pattern smaller so it will work better for shorter distances. Also another thing that makes this camo good is the other reason that camo patterns exists, to recognise each other. It's very distinctive so that you wont mistake a swede for a russian
In a world of increasingly similar camo patterns, I really like this factor. Its not outrageous to the point its like UCP (so actually fairly useful for their environment) but very distinguishable compared to other green patterns; Russian EMR, DPM, Woodland, etc. Something that can't be overlooked for sure
I like the defence of the pattern starting with it will be replaced. However your comment keeps on getting better. Camo is good to have to recognize each other. I bet it has improved a lot with the camo patterns since the Napoleonic wars.
@@MikkeJN it is not being replaced. Its the same camo but smaller print. About the other point. If you go and look at any of the videos from Ukraine, you'll see that they wear bright blue/yellow/red/white tape all over their body. Because in the fog of war, the chance of being killed by one of your own is a significant risk when everyone looks the same. Hopefully when your camo is distinctive from your opponents then you won't need to do this.
@@turtle-balloon Country emblems are used in wars and military service. They can be cockades, armbands or anything such. The camo that you use to not get noticed shouldn’t be as the emblem. When defending in the foxhole at the front waiting for the attacker to bypass and waiting for the command to open fire your best chance of survival is keeping unnoticed.
@ Just because a camo is recognisable does not mean it doesnt camouflage good. You ever wondered why we call it “uniforms”? Well it’s because we wanted a - uniform look - to know who is who.
Just some info. The M90 was made in different tones, from lighter to darker. As Sweden, with European measurements, is rather tall, they had to differ the tone from North to South. Sorry, I don´t remember every detail, but I think the lighter was in the South and the darker up North. There might even have been a third color for mid, also.
Sounds right since up north we have more mixed forrest types with pine and fir but in the south we have more leaf forrests with lighter colors. I have only seen the darker on IRL but have seen lots of lighter ones in media. A perfect example: images.aftonbladet-cdn.se/v2/images/dc5cc4f1-30eb-4424-bff6-4b3f0e24acc0?fit=crop&format=auto&h=1267&q=50&w=1900&s=a2b5b12830fa0492b2ccca2ac7f0c09e5eb8bc77
In the end they actually opted to just mass produce one of the three variants, but there are still a whole bunch of the other two colors in circulation within the armed forces. That's why sometimes yu see someone wearing a uniform that almost looks like the colors are a bit washed out, while in fact its one of the old uniforms of the variant colors. 🙂
Great idea but failed on execution. You get whatever when you switch uniforms at the depot. Can get a light jacket with dark pants and vice versa. Pretty annoying when you request light tone and the folks at the depot gets pissy and tells you that ”you get whatever i give you” :/
I own a set of M90 myself. I only use it for airsoft, and in the summer it sure is effective. I had people walk past me 3-5 meters away, never knew I was there.
you must be sweating a bit! (unless your in a colder area than us)-even though it technically is just a shirt, they're pretty thick for those cooler Swede mountains! Glad to hear it works in your backyard mate👍
It works fine in Sweden where its produce to work. When I did my military service we did tests. One group of soldiers got a couple of minutes to hide i lightly forested pinetrees about 3-10 meters from a road. Then another group of soldiers lined up on the other side of the road. They started at about 70 meters and walked on a straight line towards the road and forest. About every 15 meters or so, the line stoped to check if they saw any soldiers hiding. If they found a soldier hiding, that soldier had to come out of the forest. The swedish m90 camo works very well in sweden. When the line of soldiers reached the road, most of the hiding soldiers where left in the forest only 3-10 meters away. And it wasn't very thick forest. The soldiers who were found manily were found because they weren't completly still aka movement of arm or legs.
Definitely - movement accounts for most of it, as long as colour range is somewhere in the range and not outrageous, I can believe that. something thats impossible to convey on camera is if the one spotting is actually moving vs staying stationary-obviously a lot more difficult with the former.
Cool video amigo. I would describe this as "Where's Waldo" on Easy Mode. This is a cool pattern however it's more geared towards "The Bush" in Scandinavia. Doesn't work as well in Kiwiland. German Flecktarn camo would work better in these environments than the Swedish stuff. Also that jacket would look great open over a T-shirt and jeans for a night out, just saying 😉👍👍
yeh we tend to keep these well under 200m just because peoples screens are way smaller than what the human eye sees. A good reason why Hollywood films action scenes so unrealistically close - gotta be able to see something! Totally agree though, a bottom or top half be it hiking a mountain or beating the pavement, M90 is pretty yum 👌
its not awful. I must say though, camos have a lot easier time in such visual, shadow casting bush environments compared sparse pine forest floors, hills, mountains etc. Something green-ish should do a decent job. If we get more again might have to revisit this one
M/90 is extremely effective even at close range in the Swedish pine forests it was designed for. But just like the Belgian camo, that can look pretty garish out of its context, it is very specialised to its geography.
The m90 camo is great in it's natural habitat, lush, green and dense Swedish forests. The jacket you are wearing is the m90 "light" jacket (lättjacka) designed to be used in summertime and mainly out of field. Most of the year and during actual field deployment we switch to the m90 "field" uniform (fältuniform 90) which is a different better suited model for rough forest situations. The color is also somehow a bit oversaturated in this video which makes the dark marine blue part of the pattern look more purplish, which it is not. IMO the Swedish uniform is the sexiest of the different NATO armies, with Finland's snow camo coming in second place.
It is very effective at a distance and that is what it’s designed for. Close up something else might be better. But with 38 years of service in the SwAF I might be a bit biased.
It does work though. Laying down with something in the way to break up your siluette and especially in the shadow, atleast I can’t make out what’s what.
It's a cool pattern. Probably not the most efficient when it comes to hiding. If you really need to hide you will complement the camouflage with the surrounding nature. And for thermal and IR, you might use something like the Swedish Baracuda system to hide your tent/vehicle.
You're just great at hiding. As long as a hunter knows how to work with the light and movement, they can work with any camo or not. I prefer to just wear plain dark grey.
i got a pair of trousers off uk amazon, from china.... very well made, heavy cotton, needs some wearing in, decent ykk zips, good pop studs.... i'd say as good as an issue pair. wasn't the cheapest, but i went with it.
not sure if its post processing, but your m90 seems significantly brighter than my issued set. the set I have is much more subdued and honestly works much better than the china copies which are almost neon green in places hard to tell from the vid if its just a camera effect, or a filter to make it 'pop. though as a aussie? you'd die in the G1000 suit, cos its uncomfortably toasty in the uk climate. but if you want a nice pattern along those lines, 6 colour digital works surprisingly well in a urban environment, if you'd like to add a oddball to the collection
I made a pinned post-rendered/uploaded from a different PC and the saturation has bumped up quite crazy (by proxy, everything in the rest of the image as well). Can find some photos on our other social channels but honestly the colours for that area really werent bad. Both greens were decently matched to nz fauna
@@egonegonsson8899 these ones are 'de-milled' - this thread has some good bread crumbs on how this came about but Ill do a future video on the Swedish governments late copywriting and change of labels iacmc.forumotion.com/t13775-m90-pant-questions
We did Urban combat training and asked our officers if we were gonna get other camo than green M90, they replied with that everything is gonna get so dusty and grey so nother camo is needed..
not a completely wrong answer-Ukraine footage as well as some Afghanistan footage illustrates environment extremes quite nicely as time/war wears on...
Well it was not meant for that terrain. It was designed for Scandinavia. If the woods of Sweden it work very well and you can stand within feet of a soldier in the M90 and not see him.
worked off a different PC and I think its changed something in the codec, as watching the final file its nothing like this. Considering reuploading tbh but don't want to repeat the problem also. Blergh!
People need to recognise each pattern is designed for a specific area. You are right. The dreaded "multicam" fails dismally in Northern Europe, it is too light. Swedes, Finns and the Baltic States have got it right, a dominance of green of various shades. I use Pencot Greenzone for deer stalking in UK woodland, l literally can get within 30 yards of some species. I reckon for NZ a tropical DPM or Marpat type would be best.
@@jon1801, of course, classic NZDPM started life as British tropical DPM. And the new camo, NZMTP is British MTP but more ‘tropical’ with richer colours - the green being closer to lime green, matching the colour of the undergrowth of NZ bush, e.g. ferns.
![[126] Swedish M90 Camo: A Modern Use of Splinter Camo](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/KBdz-vAThrU/mqdefault.jpg)
Sidenote: shot this one at the end of the day (with some phantomleaf & DPM) so it didn't get as much camera time. Worse still, worked off a different PC and this one came out quite saturated only after upload :/ next few are gonna be rad though so looking forward to showing them!
I was legit laying on the ground when a whole group walked maybe 2 meters beside me and I wasn't spotted
The M90 camouflage is quite effective 😂
On the new uniforms that are being introduced right now, they've made the pattern smaller so it will work better for shorter distances. Also another thing that makes this camo good is the other reason that camo patterns exists, to recognise each other. It's very distinctive so that you wont mistake a swede for a russian
In a world of increasingly similar camo patterns, I really like this factor. Its not outrageous to the point its like UCP (so actually fairly useful for their environment) but very distinguishable compared to other green patterns; Russian EMR, DPM, Woodland, etc. Something that can't be overlooked for sure
I like the defence of the pattern starting with it will be replaced. However your comment keeps on getting better. Camo is good to have to recognize each other. I bet it has improved a lot with the camo patterns since the Napoleonic wars.
@@MikkeJN it is not being replaced. Its the same camo but smaller print. About the other point. If you go and look at any of the videos from Ukraine, you'll see that they wear bright blue/yellow/red/white tape all over their body. Because in the fog of war, the chance of being killed by one of your own is a significant risk when everyone looks the same. Hopefully when your camo is distinctive from your opponents then you won't need to do this.
@@turtle-balloon Country emblems are used in wars and military service. They can be cockades, armbands or anything such.
The camo that you use to not get noticed shouldn’t be as the emblem. When defending in the foxhole at the front waiting for the attacker to bypass and waiting for the command to open fire your best chance of survival is keeping unnoticed.
@ Just because a camo is recognisable does not mean it doesnt camouflage good. You ever wondered why we call it “uniforms”? Well it’s because we wanted a - uniform look - to know who is who.
It works even better after a week in the woods :P It's too clean
It’s a cool pattern, really like it
This camo is designed for use in the dark Scandinavian (mainly pine) forests.
indeed,in a summer in southern italy ,altough woody area,could be so much useful,though fine looking itself absolutely
Just some info. The M90 was made in different tones, from lighter to darker. As Sweden, with European measurements, is rather tall, they had to differ the tone from North to South. Sorry, I don´t remember every detail, but I think the lighter was in the South and the darker up North. There might even have been a third color for mid, also.
Sounds right since up north we have more mixed forrest types with pine and fir but in the south we have more leaf forrests with lighter colors. I have only seen the darker on IRL but have seen lots of lighter ones in media. A perfect example: images.aftonbladet-cdn.se/v2/images/dc5cc4f1-30eb-4424-bff6-4b3f0e24acc0?fit=crop&format=auto&h=1267&q=50&w=1900&s=a2b5b12830fa0492b2ccca2ac7f0c09e5eb8bc77
In the end they actually opted to just mass produce one of the three variants, but there are still a whole bunch of the other two colors in circulation within the armed forces. That's why sometimes yu see someone wearing a uniform that almost looks like the colors are a bit washed out, while in fact its one of the old uniforms of the variant colors. 🙂
Great idea but failed on execution. You get whatever when you switch uniforms at the depot. Can get a light jacket with dark pants and vice versa. Pretty annoying when you request light tone and the folks at the depot gets pissy and tells you that ”you get whatever i give you” :/
I own a set of M90 myself. I only use it for airsoft, and in the summer it sure is effective. I had people walk past me 3-5 meters away, never knew I was there.
you must be sweating a bit! (unless your in a colder area than us)-even though it technically is just a shirt, they're pretty thick for those cooler Swede mountains! Glad to hear it works in your backyard mate👍
@ I'm in Central Europe, so yeah, I do sweat in it. But it's just too beautiful to not to wear it 😃
It works fine in Sweden where its produce to work. When I did my military service we did tests. One group of soldiers got a couple of minutes to hide i lightly forested pinetrees about 3-10 meters from a road. Then another group of soldiers lined up on the other side of the road. They started at about 70 meters and walked on a straight line towards the road and forest. About every 15 meters or so, the line stoped to check if they saw any soldiers hiding. If they found a soldier hiding, that soldier had to come out of the forest. The swedish m90 camo works very well in sweden. When the line of soldiers reached the road, most of the hiding soldiers where left in the forest only 3-10 meters away. And it wasn't very thick forest. The soldiers who were found manily were found because they weren't completly still aka movement of arm or legs.
Definitely - movement accounts for most of it, as long as colour range is somewhere in the range and not outrageous, I can believe that. something thats impossible to convey on camera is if the one spotting is actually moving vs staying stationary-obviously a lot more difficult with the former.
Cool video amigo. I would describe this as "Where's Waldo" on Easy Mode.
This is a cool pattern however it's more geared towards "The Bush" in Scandinavia. Doesn't work as well in Kiwiland. German Flecktarn camo would work better in these environments than the Swedish stuff.
Also that jacket would look great open over a T-shirt and jeans for a night out, just saying 😉👍👍
yeh we tend to keep these well under 200m just because peoples screens are way smaller than what the human eye sees. A good reason why Hollywood films action scenes so unrealistically close - gotta be able to see something! Totally agree though, a bottom or top half be it hiking a mountain or beating the pavement, M90 is pretty yum 👌
That's actually a pretty effective pattern in dense forest. I'm surprised. I reckon it would be good for Tasmanian bush as well.
its not awful. I must say though, camos have a lot easier time in such visual, shadow casting bush environments compared sparse pine forest floors, hills, mountains etc. Something green-ish should do a decent job. If we get more again might have to revisit this one
M/90 is extremely effective even at close range in the Swedish pine forests it was designed for. But just like the Belgian camo, that can look pretty garish out of its context, it is very specialised to its geography.
The m90 camo is great in it's natural habitat, lush, green and dense Swedish forests. The jacket you are wearing is the m90 "light" jacket (lättjacka) designed to be used in summertime and mainly out of field. Most of the year and during actual field deployment we switch to the m90 "field" uniform (fältuniform 90) which is a different better suited model for rough forest situations. The color is also somehow a bit oversaturated in this video which makes the dark marine blue part of the pattern look more purplish, which it is not. IMO the Swedish uniform is the sexiest of the different NATO armies, with Finland's snow camo coming in second place.
Originaly its not black but a very deep blue, copies tend to missunderstand this and use black instead.
@@joda6229 For those that knows why. There is no color black in nature. So anything colored black will stand out.
Man said "better suited model" and fältjacka in the same sentence, LOL
Even if this camo print isn’t the most effective, it absolutely dominates in style 😎👌🏼 seems effective though from the vid
Just ordered my set 😛
It definitely does - there is a good reason why so many other companies have cloned it but you can't beat the real thing! Cheers mate!
It is very effective at a distance and that is what it’s designed for. Close up something else might be better. But with 38 years of service in the SwAF I might be a bit biased.
its made for SWEDISH forests not american ones, we dont have those kind of forests in sweden
or british
It does work though. Laying down with something in the way to break up your siluette and especially in the shadow, atleast I can’t make out what’s what.
It's a cool pattern. Probably not the most efficient when it comes to hiding. If you really need to hide you will complement the camouflage with the surrounding nature. And for thermal and IR, you might use something like the Swedish Baracuda system to hide your tent/vehicle.
It works in Sweden. It blends wonderful in swedish fir/pine forrest with our moss and fern.
You're just great at hiding. As long as a hunter knows how to work with the light and movement, they can work with any camo or not.
I prefer to just wear plain dark grey.
In Sweden we have coniferous forest
i got a pair of trousers off uk amazon, from china.... very well made, heavy cotton, needs some wearing in, decent ykk zips, good pop studs.... i'd say as good as an issue pair.
wasn't the cheapest, but i went with it.
not sure if its post processing, but your m90 seems significantly brighter than my issued set. the set I have is much more subdued and honestly works much better than the china copies which are almost neon green in places hard to tell from the vid if its just a camera effect, or a filter to make it 'pop. though as a aussie? you'd die in the G1000 suit, cos its uncomfortably toasty in the uk climate.
but if you want a nice pattern along those lines, 6 colour digital works surprisingly well in a urban environment, if you'd like to add a oddball to the collection
I made a pinned post-rendered/uploaded from a different PC and the saturation has bumped up quite crazy (by proxy, everything in the rest of the image as well). Can find some photos on our other social channels but honestly the colours for that area really werent bad. Both greens were decently matched to nz fauna
@@armyand_Outdoors we would like to see the labels to confirm authenticity. I have over 20 years in M90, still not spotted😂
@@egonegonsson8899 these ones are 'de-milled' - this thread has some good bread crumbs on how this came about but Ill do a future video on the Swedish governments late copywriting and change of labels
iacmc.forumotion.com/t13775-m90-pant-questions
We did Urban combat training and asked our officers if we were gonna get other camo than green M90, they replied with that everything is gonna get so dusty and grey so nother camo is needed..
not a completely wrong answer-Ukraine footage as well as some Afghanistan footage illustrates environment extremes quite nicely as time/war wears on...
Well it was not meant for that terrain. It was designed for Scandinavia. If the woods of Sweden it work very well and you can stand within feet of a soldier in the M90 and not see him.
This is DEFINITELY the wrong environment for M90 lol. I could see you in just about every test.
what have you done with the color correction the camo is purple here lol
but still the camo is quite bad
worked off a different PC and I think its changed something in the codec, as watching the final file its nothing like this. Considering reuploading tbh but don't want to repeat the problem also. Blergh!
Saw you in seconds, not the best for the testing scenario. Good for my homeland Sweden, but not NZ bush.
People need to recognise each pattern is designed for a specific area. You are right. The dreaded "multicam" fails dismally in Northern Europe, it is too light. Swedes, Finns and the Baltic States have got it right, a dominance of green of various shades. I use Pencot Greenzone for deer stalking in UK woodland, l literally can get within 30 yards of some species. I reckon for NZ a tropical DPM or Marpat type would be best.
@@jon1801, of course, classic NZDPM started life as British tropical DPM. And the new camo, NZMTP is British MTP but more ‘tropical’ with richer colours - the green being closer to lime green, matching the colour of the undergrowth of NZ bush, e.g. ferns.
would be good to test it at range and it a more pine based area akin to Sweden. Alas were quite dry here until you reach native bush
@armyand_Outdoors Yeah, in Rimutaka's dense alpine bush, it would work. But as you say, it is designed for distance.
its made for swedish forests not amrican ones
or british for that matter
Or New Zealand forests?
You used strong color grading and changed dynamic. Sorry, but this test is useless.
pretty noisy bro, sound like you're walking around in a garbage bag