I also think Lauren is right and Tammy asked Garth to check in with her when he got back home at 1am so she knew he was home safe. If I remember rightly, the night-time temperatures were freezing and the roads could have been icy. There's no doubt in my mind that Chad and Tammy were sleeping separately because Tammy knew about the affair. They probably told the children it was because Chad snored and kept Tammy awake - also maybe an excuse for Chad sleeping so far away from the rest of the house upstairs in the 'cozy cone', but convenient for him to keep an eye on JJ and Tylee's burial sites being disturbed by wild animals. Chad wanted to make it look like they were both still sharing a bed to outsiders because he knew how it would look to the police and medics when they had to come into the house to take Tammy away and he remarried just over three weeks later.
They probably slept in different beds after Tammy got that email from Charles that she ended up blocking in the end but you know she couldn't unsee it and understand what was being said about Charles wife and her husband. Poor thing I just feel so bad for her final minutes of her life. It must have been so scary for her!
My husband strangled me in 2022 and I can’t fathom the terror that she must’ve felt that night. And it’s especially scary because my husband has gaslight everyone not even police help me. I bet if she spoke out she would’ve been dismissed. It’s incredible that she was the breadwinner and floated that family, but he acted like he was in charge of everything. Disgusting.
@redondobeach7514...Happened to me too, my husband in a fit of rage choked me to the point i passed out, remember the terror i felt...Rest in Peace Tammy.
I absolutely cannot wait for that jury to come back and say GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY on all counts and I hope that in some way Tammy knows and is able to actually rest in peace knowing that across the world people have been praying for justice for her
Same here. I think he's the type that goes into a dead faint at a verdict like that too. Outwardly he tries to appear stoic and immovable, but inside he's a weak and nervous Nellie.
and also for Tylee and J.J. Those kids deserve to have this man rot in prison for the rest of his life. Alex is roasting down with Lucifer. One more to go, Chad.
@@crimeinabottle4703 I've seen it before. I just wished Tammy would have known and protect herself, even Tammy's mother wanted justice and her disease accelerated because of sadness, the whole things its awful sad, so many senseless deaths
I hope Emma tells the truth on the stand. If she is strong in her faith, she should do the right thing. She was close to her Mom, so just won't understand the disrespect she would be showing to Tammy....or God for that matter...
@@hoolydooly5799Exactly! They've already lost one parent, and they'll do whatever is necessary to save the other, the controller. I wish those kids would wake up like you said very soon!
@@kimtaylor3866 actually because they are family to victims they can watch anyway. Remember that the judge authorized live stream so that his kids could watch from home
@@kimtaylor3866YES! There has been enuf believable witnesses testify that Tammy WAS NOT SICK! The Daybell children WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY - saying mom was sick says WE ARE STANDING BEHIND THIS OBVIOUS COLD BLOODED MURDERER!!
@@Wohol1. I have dead electricity outlets and dead ceiling lights in my house. My house needs rewiring. Also if you don’t pay your electricity bill, you don’t get any electricity.
Agree, and he KNOWS this house, he owns it! Why he chose to go down the “no stairs” rabbit hole is beyond me. He knew it could be proven to be a lie and he went there anyway. He’s lost all credibility.
Yup, the pink foam really messes with my head. Im an RN and i dread the pink foam on hospice cases. Its bleeding on the lungs while still breathing. There are meds for other excess fluids but not the pink foam. It really is pink tho so family doesnt put together that its blood. The one mercy in this shit sandwich.
It is horrific to even think about it. Did she twig this was her "paintball shooter"? Did Alex say that as he was seeing her life fade from her eyes. did she call out for Chad? Chad cowering in the loft. Maybe the reason there was many towels of red foam in her bedroom was indicating a huge volume exudation over a lengthy time from poor Tammy's mouth due to her extreme struggle with Alex? Just awful.
Plus Garth said “I heard a thump in mom’s bedroom”. That means Tammy had her own bedroom. Otherwise, he would have said “I heard a thump in my parent’s bedroom”.
Agreed 100% and have always thought this: I think Chad was sleeping in the loft, left the door unlocked for Alex. After some time (and after Tammy’s murder), Chad went downstairs to make sure to stage the room and tried but failed to pick up Tammy to put her in the bed. That is when Garth heard the thump and walked in on Chad trying to move her. Chad, in the moment asked Garth to help him move her. That is why the concocted story of Tammy falling out of bed keeps shifting and is a clunky explanation. I think Chad wanted to delay Garth from calling 911 so that’s why Garth explained that his father was pacing and talking about photos on the wall. He was stalling. I think Garth called anyway and that’s why Chad grabbed the phone from him.
Agreed. Plus, like troublemaker baker says, Chad is a coward. I don’t think Chad would have been able to sleep if he wanted to. He would be lurking somewhere.
I find myself wondering if the lamp was on when Garth got home and that was unusual at that time. Knowing his Mother was alone and his Dad was sleeping upstairs, Garth checked on her?
From the confusion of the call, I think Garth called close to when he discovered his mother. If they had 4 hours to plan the call I don’t think he would have gotten it “wrong”. I think he was shocked she was so cold and stiff.
Probably so. Also the reason why people said he was the most distraught when they came to check on them and at the funeral. He probably hates having to keep this secret.
Most likely that is what Chudley said to Garth. I say we all say a prayer asking the Lord to put the full truth in Garths heart and mind. That at least for himself he puts a stop to his evil fathers control from over him. Emma sadly will not be helped.
@@dollluvI think he was in total shock because his healthy mother just died and he had suspicions, but didn't know what to do. We all know now the dynamic in the religion Garth was raised in. He may have been afraid to question or go against Chad in any way. Yes, he was an adult, but I can attest first hand how long it took for me to get some of the things my abusive mother drilled into me out of my head. I'm 46 and still feel badly about myself a lot of the time.
As a mom of 5 adult children we had a rule that if they were out at night when they returned home they needed to wake me to let me know they were home safe.
One of the things that I think is super irritating is if we compare Tammy to Lori and consider that Chad was calling TAMMY lazy. and as if his new flame is just so hard-working and giving?? Tammy was working as a librarian,raising five children taking care of a house, training and doing a 5k, cloggin, high exercise classes, doing Relief Society activities which can include volunteering and doing service for others, holding a calling in church, and of course weigh more that we don't know about in the public, doing probably 90 percent of the work for Chad's publishing business, probably cooking cleaning feeding and doing her potatoes laundry while being yelled at because she might want to do something fun and want to take a freaking break once in a while by Chad. Because heaven forbid a hard-working mother wife and volunteer needs down time to herself. Again all the while her husband travels around, gives terrible bizarre talks about subjects he stole from everybody else, tries to find a new wife flirting with any woman he can find, fantasizing about weird things and fantasizing he's some powerful leader. And nothing else Also, his new little wife to be complains about having to take care of two children. She can't even raise two children without whining nearly tears to even police officers and anybody else who will listen. Tammy is lazy while him and Lori are murdering innocent babies because even having two children around is just way too much responsibility and work for them it is just sickening
Thank you for playing the clip where Garth mentioned his “Morhers” bedroom. That really stood out to me. I hope it comes up at some point from the prosecution. Also , the discrepancies in Garth’s story is something I had not realized. Great job. ladies.
Lauren - I LOVE you & Dr John’s dynamic and discourse so much, but can I just say how lovely this livestream was with Trouble Maker Baker?! She had a lot of good thoughts and insight to add. She’s very well spoken and I enjoyed hearing a new perspective. I love the idea of having a chat member/subscriber join for a livestream once a month or something. My all time favorite channel! I’ve never paid for a YT subscription or patreon but next paycheck I may just have to sign up with yall! Great work. Xx ❤
STOP! Tammy said paintball gun OR A RIFLE. They cut that part out when they played her 911 tape. At least quote Tammy correctly. You owe her that much, and more. STOP misquoting Tammy!
i have another question to ponder... a number ( unsure) of the Daybell ADULT children- Emma must be 30ish by now- Mark would be 24/25 by now,- reside in the defense attorney's house as tenants.... how can they be defense witnesses, the question of coersion arises. Compromised at the least.
Exactly! I've wondered this many times. Why is this fact not picked up more extensively? How is this allowed? Isn't this some sort of conflict of interest? I'm really glad one of the previous witnesses mentioned that Prior ownes Chad's house now. I hope the jury puts 2+2 together.
I think I read on reddit that someone said he may not outright own it, yet. He may have a lein against it, like a mechanic will get if someone still owes them money for repairs or something, and it will go into his possession fully after a certain date if Chad is still unable to pay. Of course Chad won't be able to pay so it will then be his. I've also read that he can't outright own because there is still a mortgage. However it works, it had to be discussed pretrial, because the sidebar when the realtor brought it up was Prior complaining to the judge that it wasn't supposed to be mentioned at trial amd the judge ordered the jury to disregard it and for that witness not to bring it up again. There can't be anything legally wrong with however it works out.
The attached portion of the Daybell house is quite odd. It doesn’t look like it was planned well, and the entire house is not attractive. I can’t imagine Lori would consent to live there.
I don’t think Garth is in cahoots. I don’t think he has lied. He may have omitted some facts when the coroner was there due to Chad coercion but I bet he has witnessed his dad lying several times. I hope he is called as a witness because I think he will come through for his mom. I just hope Chad/Prior don’t throw him under the bus.
I disagree NONE of these children have showed there Mothers any kind of respect since her murder and their still defending him and supporting him over their Mother.
Garth omitting material facts is lying. And of course Chad will throw Garth under the bus if need be to save his own neck. We’re talking about a monster who murdered kids and buried them in his yard.
You’re giving Garth way too much credit. He likely did love his mother but every one of those “kids” has held ranks with Chad. They have made it clear that they fully support Chad’s ridiculous story.
@@Catfluff521 I just haven’t heard that he did omit facts to the coroner or police. Maybe he did I just haven’t seen it and it’s not clear at this point. And beyond that television interview with all the adult kids, I haven’t heard a peep out of them. Except Emma….who I would say is despicable with her behavior. Not arguing with you… just haven’t seen it yet. I’m also pretty sure they have been told to not make any public statements so close to trail and being on the witness list. If anyone has seen anything that shows that Garth and the younger children have acted with malice after their mother’s death, feel free to post! I would NOT be surprised if they are all a bunch of cult adult-kids. Especially with at least some of them having the knowledge of light and dark kid ratings. I just hesitate to throw Garth under the bus because A) Chad and prior might be planning on doing that B) his aunt Heather loves him and would not want the world to bash him C) if he is totally innocent, he is truly one of his dad’s victims and I hate to think how much complex trauma therapy he will have to go through to make sense of it all.
It is extremely rare for juries to visit crime scenes and I seriously doubt it would be considered given how far the property is from ADA County. It’s not feasible.
@@Katrina-qs2rlthey said it’s 5hrs away, one way. Then they would have to probably spend the night somewhere and more than just a bus driver and jury would have to go! Not feasible
Chad told Emma to take the mattress down from the loft very casually because he didn’t want LE to know someone was sleeping up there. She didn’t even question it. She didn’t say “why is there a mattress up there dad”? She knew what was going on. I am convinced of it. She also asked if she could send Amazon packages to her dad in jail 😧 she knew he was going to be kept in. I am sure that she will go to any lengths to protect her dad, “the prophet” and her testimony will be wild to see
How could Prior have asked about the stairs and yet he knew it was Chads bedroom since Prior owns the home and clearly had to know what was in it when he bought it? Prior is not a person with integrity!
1. A lawyer never asks a question in court that he doesn’t already know the answer to. 2. The phrase “He owns your home” is almost never used in its literal sense. It is a euphemism used to refer to the fact that a person has run up considerable legal bills. 3. It is perfectly possible to own property you have never seen. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is, that you own property you have never seen.
What a fantastic video! Love the strong female energy celebrating the queens of the trial. I want Chad's mom to get a participation ribbon. She was a little bit Queen in that she did not do anything to implicate nor exonerate him. Seems like it's obvious she knows he's guilty :-(😊
Happy Birthday, Tammy. 🎂🍰I'm praying for the truth and justice for you. I hope Chad didn't drop her body trying to put her on the marital bed and stage a scene. Lauren, did those blood-foam-stained towels at the scene come into the evidence pictures? I lost track of where those came into the story. I hope they are in evidence for the jury to ponder. Also, does Prosecution have Avow posts? Hope so!!! 🥊 Thank you for your amazing coverage and very astute theories! Chad telling Emma to take down the mattress makes a lot of very sad sense. Chad's story was always super fishy and your theory explains why!
another thought on stairs. I grew up in a home with a long hallway. We often referred to the hallway with down to your room. It really could be the way she interprets the hall way not stairs
Kay did so much to bring awareness of what was going on with Lori, calling tie l for the first wellness check. Heather was sounding the alarm to the church, on Chad's activities and "teachings." Sadly, they didn't really listen or intervene.
Thanks Ladies, Those stairs were becoming an issue with me too. As a Hospice nurse many times, after a 9/11 I was called in first to the home & had to report to the forensic Pathologist where all family members were At my arrival in respect to the patient. Those stairs & the Thump issue also doesn't coincide if Tammy was dead on the floor when Garth found her. IF SHE WAS stiff, dad not in the room. What was that Thump sound > ?? ALEX LEAVING? out the back door of that addition? Because his coming home surprised Alex & 😮 Chad? Who were still figuring out what to do next.
Lauren, you and John are on fire covering the Daybell case! Wow. You are working so hard and not leaving any stone unturned. I'm a gem now and love your channel!
After watching this today I went back to rewatch the old slappers sentencing, what hit me was VIcky,s impact statement. She mentions Tammy going to bed and expecting to rest after long week once her eldest child checked in after working a late shift. So todays convo was spot on it must have been the norm and maybe even more so as reassurance after the attempted shooting of Tammy she would rest knowing he was home safe. I’m convinced Garth found her alone and was coerced to make the 911 call much later after trying to clear the foam. Would be so interested to know if Vicky remembers thsi as being a routine for Tammy and Garth x
I would love it if Vicky had said something without thinking of where the info came from when writing her statement. They were in such grief especially with Tammy mums passing but, she knew it to put the info on her statement. could it of been from Tammy? I How good would it be if this was the case and Vicky had the final nail in Chads coffin. Divine retribution. ❤️🔥
Love your insight Lauren. Hearing the Heather interview and her guess that maybe Chad had brought up polygamy offers whole new angle. I was so glad you linked this to Heather’s prior comment about Tammy’s sudden depression and sitting apart from Chad in religious service. Why do we think a normally “up” and energized woman might be suddenly depressed-this would sure explain it…And/or if she’s already aware of affair. Sleeping alone. You and guest can relax about talking over each other despite chat comment; it’s hard with video/audio aspect and what is basically a collaborative conversation.
I have listened to bunch of podcast and discussions daily after listening all day to Mr. Evil (Chad’s) trial. This is my first time listening to y’all and have to say y’all are officially my favorite. Literally have not looked at y’all channel/profile as I’m typing this (will do once I’m done w this comment lol) but I would listen to y’all everyday after and in between breaks if y’all did so! Love the knowledge, discussions, back and forth, pics, previous interview clips, all of it. I have not heard or seen some of this stuff y’all are talking about! Ok, going look at channel now 🤩😉
This is a really great Live. I don't think Mr. Daybell actually did the killing AND did cower in the Cozy Cone until the deed was done. This is why he said to Emma, 'I don't understand why they're arresting me.' He's going to let Mr. Cox get his hands dirty while his own hands stayed 'soft and supple.'
Wow Lauren, I just listened/watched this, so eye opening!! I sure hope the Prosecution hears this or has this summation. None of this ever crossed my mind so if I was on the jury, I wouldn't even think Chad let Alex in and was upstairs and in his own room. It all makes so much sense now!!! Wow I really hope this comes out somehow especially with all of the inconsistencies of Garth first finding his mom, Chad not being there at the time and that eye opening explanation of that 911 call!! Wow! You nailed it!!!
Excellent recap and discussion, thank you. As for the talking over each other, that was not a problem at all and if people don’t like it, don’t listen. In fact it was like a casual conversation with a friend which was great. Don’t worry about criticism just keep doing you. 😘
I really appreciate this investigative work and trying to work through what really happened rather than just reiterating what happened in court thank you ladies very interesting
How difficult for Garth to be close to his mother and simultaneously the star defense witness. If Chad planted ideas for testimony into Garth's mind etc., how does he square that with his love for his Mom? The spiritual manipulation to convince Garth to move due to hauntings... All of this is so suspicious. Will Garth's Dateline appearance and 9-1-1 call be like Paul Murdaugh Snapchat of the dog placing his Dad at the murder scene?
Even if you live out in the country... get a security camera. I bought one from Amazon for less than $30 and it screws right into my lightbulb socket on the front deck! Can you imagine how much could have been avoided or proved now if a neighbor would have had a camera.
I think it's possible Chad said "down" as in "down the hall" or similar, and the cousin interpreted it as "down"stairs. Either way, if i were a juror, that would be a non-issue for me.
I thought that at first. Until Prior made such a fuss about it. It looks like she may have been murdered up in that room, then moved down to the main bedroom. He didn’t get her in the bed right, so she was dangling off of it. Enter poor Garth, who realized she was very cold and stiff-‘frozen’.
So Chad's portal is really the cozy cone peak 😏 How many bedrooms are in this house? Tammy in one, Garth in one, Seth had one (cuz therebwas an envelope with $9k in it), loft room. Seems loft room was office and bedroom, cuz Chad used BYUI, according to Chad 🤔
Lauren that makes sense ! Salient and it fits. Chad is a coward and let alex in to do the deed. And Chad have dragged poor Garth into his crime story Garth picked her up off HER bedroom floor. (???) . The interview is revealing.
On the 911 call Garth says “she’s on the floor”. So was she still on the floor at the time of the 911 call or had he already picked her up because he didn’t say “ I found her on the floor”. It’s so odd to me that he also has two stories going.
Julie author, prepper girl… is what we refer to as ‘full of it’… and of herself… really gets into her own storytelling… she and daddy chaddy must’ve had some good other worldly weird times together
The ‘Thanks ‘ button under the title of the video b/w Share and Download is for donations starting at $1.99. Our support is Lauren’s salary . She has been so committed to seeing justice for the living and murdered victims. Likely a day hasn’t passed in the last 4 years that she hasn’t thought about this. Let’s show some support 💗 I loved listening to Lauren and Julie were ruminating over different possibilities of how it all went down in this’d video.I imagine the jurors discussing their theories during deliberations sounds much like this.
Did the ME discuss this or just the coroner? Prior tried to discredit the coroner when she said Tammy had a full stomach so I was really looking forward to hearing about that from her ME but heard zero. Did I just somehow miss it?
@@DivineDiscoveristI was surprised the ME didn’t mention the stomach contents. And neither the prosecutor nor Prior brought it up. I was specifically waiting to hear discussion of that.
Yeah, I’m in my early 40s and, when I’m staying at my parents’ and go out late, they want me to check in with them when I get home. Totally understandable if Tammy asked Garth to check in and that’s how he found her.
If Chads children were , and , or , are in denial ; it makes me wonder how they could ever psychologically come to reconcile that they supported Chad . Tragic The damage that this Daybell -Vallow duo did is horrific In . The. Name. Of . Religion
I know how people act when having a full blown affair and I know Chad would have had his “office” and bedroom in the “cozy cone”. He would have been repulsed by his wife by that time and bullying her or emotionally abusing her during this time. He would be able to freely speak to Lori, have phone sex, and plot for hours upstairs in the “cozy cone” away from Tammi and all the kids and knew if someone was coming with the opening of the door to the house and walking up the stairs would have let him know someone is coming. This I know is 💯 true… this is the behavior of a plotting, cheating, a$$hat.
I don't think it matters about stairs or not etc -- that's razzle dazzle to distract from the solid facts that (a) Chad told multiple contradictory stories about how and what time Tammy died; and (b) no matter which (if any) of those storis is true, he didn't phone the emergency services for hours after she died and then lied to them that he had just found her dead. Nothing else matters.
When Chad was in the police car talking to Emma he told her she would need to get the mattress from UP STAIRS and bring it down to use . Like there wasn't a mattress on one of the beds down stairs .I think he hadn't replaced the mattress on the bed in the master bedroom yet or if he did buy a new one he was using it on the bed in the cozy cone and he was sleeping up there since he returned from Hawaii and Lori's arrest. But go back and listen it's close to the end of his and Emma's talk the day he was arrested .When they agreed that Emma was moving into his house.
I think it has to be considered that 2 people murdered Tammy. The reason I say this is the location of the bruises. Remember Prior Mukden a big deal of the fact that there was a number of bruises on one arm and only 1 on the upper so that does not support being held down. However there was a large bruise on her upper chest which could have been a knee but she would have resisted so I think 2 people were needed
The article says this: My room was down the hall. And I heard a thump," said Garth Daybell. "And heard my dad yell, 'Garth, Garth, come quick,' with the most panic I'd ever heard in his voice." I wonder if that was added or if the video was edited 🤔
I hope Garth speaks for his mother. His father used him to call 911 trying to distance himself from HIS crime and then Garth couldn't lie because he is not a sociopath like his father who thought they were ALL a burden when he was chasing after Lori.
I forgot that @troublemakerbaker is Julie. lol. I see you in other chats & forget lol. Transference. And the comment that began, “When Chad told Emma from the cop car to get rid of the mattresses…” I got chills!
I also think Lauren is right and Tammy asked Garth to check in with her when he got back home at 1am so she knew he was home safe. If I remember rightly, the night-time temperatures were freezing and the roads could have been icy.
There's no doubt in my mind that Chad and Tammy were sleeping separately because Tammy knew about the affair. They probably told the children it was because Chad snored and kept Tammy awake - also maybe an excuse for Chad sleeping so far away from the rest of the house upstairs in the 'cozy cone', but convenient for him to keep an eye on JJ and Tylee's burial sites being disturbed by wild animals. Chad wanted to make it look like they were both still sharing a bed to outsiders because he knew how it would look to the police and medics when they had to come into the house to take Tammy away and he remarried just over three weeks later.
💥 💥 💥 exactly
They probably slept in different beds after Tammy got that email from Charles that she ended up blocking in the end but you know she couldn't unsee it and understand what was being said about Charles wife and her husband. Poor thing I just feel so bad for her final minutes of her life. It must have been so scary for her!
Great post! Exactly 👍
I think that she did get those Charles vallow.Text destroyed them but I think she didn't know that's why she was so depressed
Now , which quote a quote master bedroom was tammy found in upstairs or downstairs
Alice Gilbert was Gold. Yes the women were QUEENS , on the ball alert asking questions TAKING NOTES !!
My husband strangled me in 2022 and I can’t fathom the terror that she must’ve felt that night. And it’s especially scary because my husband has gaslight everyone not even police help me. I bet if she spoke out she would’ve been dismissed. It’s incredible that she was the breadwinner and floated that family, but he acted like he was in charge of everything. Disgusting.
Bless you! I hope you are well and healing…❤️
@redondobeach7514...Happened to me too, my husband in a fit of rage choked me to the point i passed out, remember the terror i felt...Rest in Peace Tammy.
I absolutely cannot wait for that jury to come back and say GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY on all counts and I hope that in some way Tammy knows and is able to actually rest in peace knowing that across the world people have been praying for justice for her
Same here. I think he's the type that goes into a dead faint at a verdict like that too. Outwardly he tries to appear stoic and immovable, but inside he's a weak and nervous Nellie.
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and also for Tylee and J.J. Those kids deserve to have this man rot in prison for the rest of his life. Alex is roasting down with Lucifer. One more to go, Chad.
I hope there isn't another Casey Anthony insane verdict!
Not only do the jurors know there are stairs, they also know Prior was deceptive which would make one question everything he says now.
Yes, especially now they know Prior is now the owner Chad's murder house!!
We can only hope so!!!
Tammy has not only been bashed by her husband but even her own children have turned against her. Sorry bunch.
They were brainwashed by their father, Chad, I feel. But I understand your frustrations. I want to shake their shoulders and say " wake up"
Especially hearing how close Tammy and Emma was...it's heartbreaking how she can't seem to see thru Chad. But it's her dad so I'm sooo conflicted
@@crimeinabottle4703 I've seen it before. I just wished Tammy would have known and protect herself, even Tammy's mother wanted justice and her disease accelerated because of sadness, the whole things its awful sad, so many senseless deaths
I hope Emma tells the truth on the stand. If she is strong in her faith, she should do the right thing. She was close to her Mom, so just won't understand the disrespect she would be showing to Tammy....or God for that matter...
@@hoolydooly5799Exactly! They've already lost one parent, and they'll do whatever is necessary to save the other, the controller. I wish those kids would wake up like you said very soon!
The cruelest thing Chad is doing is having all of his kids testify for him.
He doesn't care about them. They were a burden and he was Harry Potter living under the stairs. "The pain".
If the kids have life insurance policies they would end up turning "dark" as more money was needed anyway. Chad cares little about others lives.
I think he's having them as witnesses because it precludes them from watching the trial.
@@kimtaylor3866 actually because they are family to victims they can watch anyway. Remember that the judge authorized live stream so that his kids could watch from home
@@kimtaylor3866YES! There has been enuf believable witnesses testify that Tammy WAS NOT SICK! The Daybell children WILL HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO CREDIBILITY - saying mom was sick says WE ARE STANDING BEHIND THIS OBVIOUS COLD BLOODED MURDERER!!
Bottom line is Prior looks like a liar. No stairs? No electricity? It just makes him look like a liar. IMO
I think maybe Chad’s office was upstairs.
Either way they can use these pics to show electric outlets.
Yes! He should have let it go after that one witness but he just kept bringing it up over and over. Bad move!
@@Wohol1. I have dead electricity outlets and dead ceiling lights in my house. My house needs rewiring.
Also if you don’t pay your electricity bill, you don’t get any electricity.
Agree, and he KNOWS this house, he owns it! Why he chose to go down the “no stairs” rabbit hole is beyond me. He knew it could be proven to be a lie and he went there anyway. He’s lost all credibility.
"She just slipped away... her face serene" WITH ENDLESS PINK FOAM COMING OUT OF HER MOUTH.
Yup, the pink foam really messes with my head. Im an RN and i dread the pink foam on hospice cases. Its bleeding on the lungs while still breathing. There are meds for other excess fluids but not the pink foam. It really is pink tho so family doesnt put together that its blood. The one mercy in this shit sandwich.
When Emma spoke with Chad in the cop car he told her she could “just get rid of the mattress UPSTAIRS.”
You are right !!
I thought he would have already gotten rid if it. I'm looking forward to her testimony!
Ooh I missed that.
I missed that too
Yep getting another person to do more of his dirty work!
The way Prior acted like he had a Perry Mason moment over the stairs made me laugh.
I can't imagine the terror and betrayal Tammy felt in her final moments. Happy Birthday to Tammy today.
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It is horrific to even think about it. Did she twig this was her "paintball shooter"? Did Alex say that as he was seeing her life fade from her eyes. did she call out for Chad? Chad cowering in the loft.
Maybe the reason there was many towels of red foam in her bedroom was indicating a huge volume exudation over a lengthy time from poor Tammy's mouth due to her extreme struggle with Alex?
Just awful.
Yes it’s so evil! She was a faithful wife & mother! She worked hard & what reward did she get?? Bring murdered by her husband
RIP TAMMY DAYBELL AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🎂🎉🎈🎊🎁
Plus Garth said “I heard a thump in mom’s bedroom”. That means Tammy had her own bedroom. Otherwise, he would have said “I heard a thump in my parent’s bedroom”.
Agreed 100% and have always thought this: I think Chad was sleeping in the loft, left the door unlocked for Alex. After some time (and after Tammy’s murder), Chad went downstairs to make sure to stage the room and tried but failed to pick up Tammy to put her in the bed. That is when Garth heard the thump and walked in on Chad trying to move her. Chad, in the moment asked Garth to help him move her. That is why the concocted story of Tammy falling out of bed keeps shifting and is a clunky explanation. I think Chad wanted to delay Garth from calling 911 so that’s why Garth explained that his father was pacing and talking about photos on the wall. He was stalling. I think Garth called anyway and that’s why Chad grabbed the phone from him.
Agreed. Plus, like troublemaker baker says, Chad is a coward. I don’t think Chad would have been able to sleep if he wanted to. He would be lurking somewhere.
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Wow! Makes sense!
I find myself wondering if the lamp was on when Garth got home and that was unusual at that time. Knowing his Mother was alone and his Dad was sleeping upstairs, Garth checked on her?
From the confusion of the call, I think Garth called close to when he discovered his mother. If they had 4 hours to plan the call I don’t think he would have gotten it “wrong”. I think he was shocked she was so cold and stiff.
I don’t mind you both talking, reminds of myself with friends and family. Thanks to Julie and to Lauren for all your hard work.
Remember the corner saying Garth was quiet...no words. Chad may have told him not to say anything.
Probably so. Also the reason why people said he was the most distraught when they came to check on them and at the funeral. He probably hates having to keep this secret.
Or he was in total shock seeing what actually happened and not being able to process it.
Most likely that is what Chudley said to Garth. I say we all say a prayer asking the Lord to put the full truth in Garths heart and mind. That at least for himself he puts a stop to his evil fathers control from over him. Emma sadly will not be helped.
@@dollluvI think he was in total shock because his healthy mother just died and he had suspicions, but didn't know what to do. We all know now the dynamic in the religion Garth was raised in. He may have been afraid to question or go against Chad in any way. Yes, he was an adult, but I can attest first hand how long it took for me to get some of the things my abusive mother drilled into me out of my head. I'm 46 and still feel badly about myself a lot of the time.
Yes!!!!
Wow. Garth saying he found his mom on the ground is so important. Why on earth move a dead body?
Agree. Also in the 911 call Garth says “she’s on the ground”.
Happy birthday Tammy 💞 from a stranger on the internet 🇦🇺 down under 💛 your story will never be forgotten 💔 you were betrayed im so sorry
Welcome Beth! I'm in the Silicon Valley. Our world gets smaller each day 😮
Thoroughly enjoy the collaboration between you two. Insightful and informative. Thank you.
As a mom of 5 adult children we had a rule that if they were out at night when they returned home they needed to wake me to let me know they were home safe.
Same here. I don’t want to find them missing at 6am. I want to know they are home, right when they get home. No matter how old they are!
One of the things that I think is super irritating is if we compare Tammy to Lori and consider that Chad was calling TAMMY lazy. and as if his new flame is just so hard-working and giving??
Tammy was working as a librarian,raising five children taking care of a house, training and doing a 5k, cloggin, high exercise classes, doing Relief Society activities which can include volunteering and doing service for others, holding a calling in church, and of course weigh more that we don't know about in the public, doing probably 90 percent of the work for Chad's publishing business, probably cooking cleaning feeding and doing her potatoes laundry while being yelled at because she might want to do something fun and want to take a freaking break once in a while by Chad.
Because heaven forbid a hard-working mother wife and volunteer needs down time to herself.
Again all the while her husband travels around, gives terrible bizarre talks about subjects he stole from everybody else, tries to find a new wife flirting with any woman he can find, fantasizing about weird things and fantasizing he's some powerful leader. And nothing else
Also, his new little wife to be complains about having to take care of two children. She can't even raise two children without whining nearly tears to even police officers and anybody else who will listen.
Tammy is lazy while him and Lori are murdering innocent babies because even having two children around is just way too much responsibility and work for them it is just sickening
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This. Well said.
Sums it up pretty well
Great comments.
I hate hate hate how chad is making her sound. Hope the jury see through it. Fn ick.
One of my favorite conversations from Hidden True Crime! Very very interesting!
Thank you for playing the clip where Garth mentioned his “Morhers” bedroom. That really stood out to me. I hope it comes up at some point from the prosecution. Also , the discrepancies in Garth’s story is something I had not realized. Great job. ladies.
Thank you Lauren and Julie! Wonderful analysis, as usual! Justice for Tammy! ❤ From Boise/Caldwell, Idaho
Lauren - I LOVE you & Dr John’s dynamic and discourse so much, but can I just say how lovely this livestream was with Trouble Maker Baker?! She had a lot of good thoughts and insight to add. She’s very well spoken and I enjoyed hearing a new perspective. I love the idea of having a chat member/subscriber join for a livestream once a month or something. My all time favorite channel! I’ve never paid for a YT subscription or patreon but next paycheck I may just have to sign up with yall! Great work. Xx ❤
STOP! Tammy said paintball gun OR A RIFLE. They cut that part out when they played her 911 tape. At least quote Tammy correctly. You owe her that much, and more. STOP misquoting Tammy!
BINGO ... you ladies are hitting on some really great points. I hope the prosecution has these details worked out already.
Talk over eachother! This is AN Amazing video!!! I love how you two are interacting!!
i have another question to ponder...
a number ( unsure) of the Daybell ADULT children- Emma must be 30ish by now- Mark would be 24/25 by now,- reside in the defense attorney's house as tenants.... how can they be defense witnesses, the question of coersion arises. Compromised at the least.
Exactly! I've wondered this many times. Why is this fact not picked up more extensively? How is this allowed? Isn't this some sort of conflict of interest?
I'm really glad one of the previous witnesses mentioned that Prior ownes Chad's house now. I hope the jury puts 2+2 together.
A very good point. This needs to be addressed in open court.
Wow.. can this get any more convoluted and twisted ..?
I think I read on reddit that someone said he may not outright own it, yet. He may have a lein against it, like a mechanic will get if someone still owes them money for repairs or something, and it will go into his possession fully after a certain date if Chad is still unable to pay. Of course Chad won't be able to pay so it will then be his. I've also read that he can't outright own because there is still a mortgage. However it works, it had to be discussed pretrial, because the sidebar when the realtor brought it up was Prior complaining to the judge that it wasn't supposed to be mentioned at trial amd the judge ordered the jury to disregard it and for that witness not to bring it up again. There can't be anything legally wrong with however it works out.
Chad told Emma while in the police car that they could get rid of the mattress upstairs and put the books back on the shelf.
The attached portion of the Daybell house is quite odd. It doesn’t look like it was planned well, and the entire house is not attractive. I can’t imagine Lori would consent to live there.
Nope, lol. IMO, they were going to try to grab Matt and Heather’s place, somehow. Ugh.
They were planning to move to Hawaii.
We didn’t hear that opening part on 911 call during trial! Why?!
😂😂😂 Yea Lori was WAY to high maintenance!!! 😂😂😂
Someone said that Tammy also didn't like the house when they were viewing it to buy .
Lauren, what great episode. Thank you for all your hard work.
Chads cry over the phone is so cringe😖
Definitely!👍
He’s less believable than Alex Murdaugh.
Lauren you are an absolute treasure trove of information. Thank you for these brilliant updates re this case.
You are so welcome!
chad's lying has taken away Garth's right to grieve his mother. That is tragic.
I don’t think Garth is in cahoots. I don’t think he has lied. He may have omitted some facts when the coroner was there due to Chad coercion but I bet he has witnessed his dad lying several times. I hope he is called as a witness because I think he will come through for his mom. I just hope Chad/Prior don’t throw him under the bus.
I disagree NONE of these children have showed there Mothers any kind of respect since her murder and their still defending him and supporting him over their Mother.
All these years later Chad's gonna come through for his mother? Dream on!
Garth omitting material facts is lying. And of course Chad will throw Garth under the bus if need be to save his own neck. We’re talking about a monster who murdered kids and buried them in his yard.
You’re giving Garth way too much credit. He likely did love his mother but every one of those “kids” has held ranks with Chad. They have made it clear that they fully support Chad’s ridiculous story.
@@Catfluff521 I just haven’t heard that he did omit facts to the coroner or police. Maybe he did I just haven’t seen it and it’s not clear at this point. And beyond that television interview with all the adult kids, I haven’t heard a peep out of them. Except Emma….who I would say is despicable with her behavior. Not arguing with you… just haven’t seen it yet. I’m also pretty sure they have been told to not make any public statements so close to trail and being on the witness list. If anyone has seen anything that shows that Garth and the younger children have acted with malice after their mother’s death, feel free to post! I would NOT be surprised if they are all a bunch of cult adult-kids. Especially with at least some of them having the knowledge of light and dark kid ratings. I just hesitate to throw Garth under the bus because A) Chad and prior might be planning on doing that B) his aunt Heather loves him and would not want the world to bash him C) if he is totally innocent, he is truly one of his dad’s victims and I hate to think how much complex trauma therapy he will have to go through to make sense of it all.
I think Alex held her down while Chad held a pillow over her face…that’s why bruises both arms.
And the chest
My thoughts exactly.
I really mean it when I say I wish the jury could take a field trip to Chad's house. I wish they would request it I wish it would happen
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It is extremely rare for juries to visit crime scenes and I seriously doubt it would be considered given how far the property is from ADA County. It’s not feasible.
Yes, the jury went to the crime scene during the Alex Murdaugh trial!
If they can do it for Murdaugh, why not Daybell? South Carolina is similarly rural.
@@Katrina-qs2rlthey said it’s 5hrs away, one way. Then they would have to probably spend the night somewhere and more than just a bus driver and jury would have to go! Not feasible
I love the adhd communication in this video 😂 makes me feel like I’m listening to friends
Ha! Thank you. 😊 I'm also Adhd
No prob following the convo ("quit talking over each other" comment). Us ADHDers get it 😂❤
Chad told Emma to take the mattress down from the loft very casually because he didn’t want LE to know someone was sleeping up there. She didn’t even question it. She didn’t say “why is there a mattress up there dad”? She knew what was going on. I am convinced of it. She also asked if she could send Amazon packages to her dad in jail 😧 she knew he was going to be kept in.
I am sure that she will go to any lengths to protect her dad, “the prophet” and her testimony will be wild to see
How could Prior have asked about the stairs and yet he knew it was Chads bedroom since Prior owns the home and clearly had to know what was in it when he bought it? Prior is not a person with integrity!
Hes ALLEGEDLY a confusing game player
1. A lawyer never asks a question in court that he doesn’t already know the answer to.
2. The phrase “He owns your home” is almost never used in its literal sense. It is a euphemism used to refer to the fact that a person has run up considerable legal bills.
3. It is perfectly possible to own property you have never seen. The wealthier you are, the more likely it is, that you own property you have never seen.
Thank you ladies again for your commentary and insight! You two are doing right by all the victims ❤
What a fantastic video! Love the strong female energy celebrating the queens of the trial. I want Chad's mom to get a participation ribbon. She was a little bit Queen in that she did not do anything to implicate nor exonerate him. Seems like it's obvious she knows he's guilty :-(😊
Such a great podcast! Thank you Lauren and Julie❤❤
Happy Birthday, Tammy. 🎂🍰I'm praying for the truth and justice for you. I hope Chad didn't drop her body trying to put her on the marital bed and stage a scene. Lauren, did those blood-foam-stained towels at the scene come into the evidence pictures? I lost track of where those came into the story. I hope they are in evidence for the jury to ponder. Also, does Prosecution have Avow posts? Hope so!!! 🥊 Thank you for your amazing coverage and very astute theories! Chad telling Emma to take down the mattress makes a lot of very sad sense. Chad's story was always super fishy and your theory explains why!
Why would anyone choose someone else’s YARD to bury someone they were trying to hide. It’s preposterous to assert that CD didn’t know every bit of it.
Oh, but remember he was FRAMED. That’s what framers do (can you hear the sarcasm in my voice?)
Simple point, but really good!
another thought on stairs. I grew up in a home with a long hallway. We often referred to the hallway with down to your room. It really could be the way she interprets the hall way not stairs
nevermind. kept listening and heard her testimony.
Kay did so much to bring awareness of what was going on with Lori, calling tie l for the first wellness check. Heather was sounding the alarm to the church, on Chad's activities and "teachings." Sadly, they didn't really listen or intervene.
That house with it's out of place addition has always been an oddity. You have some valid points. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Ladies, Those stairs were becoming an issue with me too.
As a Hospice nurse many times, after a 9/11 I was called in first to the home & had to report to the forensic Pathologist where all family members were At my arrival in respect to the patient. Those stairs & the Thump issue also doesn't coincide if Tammy was dead on the floor when Garth found her. IF SHE WAS stiff, dad not in the room. What was that Thump sound > ?? ALEX LEAVING? out the back door of that addition? Because his coming home surprised Alex & 😮 Chad? Who were still figuring out what to do next.
Thump could have been from Chad dropping Tammy when trying to put her back on the bed.
Lauren, you and John are on fire covering the Daybell case! Wow. You are working so hard and not leaving any stone unturned. I'm a gem now and love your channel!
When my adult children go out, I always ask them to let me know when they come in. In their 40s. I am not alone.
I think it’s interesting that in the 911 call Chad refers to himself as “the husband” not HER husband.
I noticed that, too, and thought it was odd.
I think Garth is not privy to what his dad did. Chad made up the story of her falling out of bed FOR Garth as much as police, coroner, whoever.
Great work! Thank both of you! I hope the prosecution is watching.
A duck started nesting on our roof garden on Tammy birthday 🎂🐣❤
It's my late mum's birthday today too. Miss you Mum 🎂
If her body was frozen when Garth arrived home why wait so many hours to call 911!????
That's what the investigators have been wondering.
GREAT insite!!! Thank you Lauren and Julie!
After watching this today I went back to rewatch the old slappers sentencing, what hit me was VIcky,s impact statement. She mentions Tammy going to bed and expecting to rest after long week once her eldest child checked in after working a late shift. So todays convo was spot on it must have been the norm and maybe even more so as reassurance after the attempted shooting of Tammy she would rest knowing he was home safe. I’m convinced Garth found her alone and was coerced to make the 911 call much later after trying to clear the foam. Would be so interested to know if Vicky remembers thsi as being a routine for Tammy and Garth x
WOW!!!
This is such an interesting point!
I would love it if Vicky had said something without thinking of where the info came from when writing her statement. They were in such grief especially with Tammy mums passing but, she knew it to put the info on her statement. could it of been from Tammy? I
How good would it be if this was the case and Vicky had the final nail in Chads coffin. Divine retribution. ❤️🔥
Julie shows that these people are still thinking the same way and they'd have someone else in charge now, if not Chad from jail.
You're doing a fantastic job! Thank you!
"Brilliant explanation in your video. Thank you for the great work!"
Ramy
I’m loved how Pryor spent and wasted so much time for Tammy saying it wasn’t a gun. Good grief Pryor she’s not a gun expert. Give it a rest Geez
Love your insight Lauren. Hearing the Heather interview and her guess that maybe Chad had brought up polygamy offers whole new angle. I was so glad you linked this to Heather’s prior comment about Tammy’s sudden depression and sitting apart from Chad in religious service. Why do we think a normally “up” and energized woman might be suddenly depressed-this would sure explain it…And/or if she’s already aware of affair. Sleeping alone.
You and guest can relax about talking over each other despite chat comment; it’s hard with video/audio aspect and what is basically a collaborative conversation.
Lauren, you’re doing an amazing job on your recaps. Here’s a laugh, after I listen to the whole day’s trial, I have to hear your recaps!
A B,C^S of crimes assume nothing believe nothing and Check everything. That's what you're doing in this live.
I have listened to bunch of podcast and discussions daily after listening all day to Mr. Evil (Chad’s) trial. This is my first time listening to y’all and have to say y’all are officially my favorite. Literally have not looked at y’all channel/profile as I’m typing this (will do once I’m done w this comment lol) but I would listen to y’all everyday after and in between breaks if y’all did so! Love the knowledge, discussions, back and forth, pics, previous interview clips, all of it. I have not heard or seen some of this stuff y’all are talking about! Ok, going look at channel now 🤩😉
Thanks for working late Lauren and TB
This is a really great Live. I don't think Mr. Daybell actually did the killing AND did cower in the Cozy Cone until the deed was done. This is why he said to Emma, 'I don't understand why they're arresting me.' He's going to let Mr. Cox get his hands dirty while his own hands stayed 'soft and supple.'
But wouldn’t Garth insist he call 911 at 2:00 AM? That would mean GARTH AGREED TO WAIT 4 HOURS WITH HIS DEAD MOTHER?!
The truth never changes...Heather was brilliant! ❤from 🇨🇦
Wow Lauren, I just listened/watched this, so eye opening!! I sure hope the Prosecution hears this or has this summation. None of this ever crossed my mind so if I was on the jury, I wouldn't even think Chad let Alex in and was upstairs and in his own room. It all makes so much sense now!!! Wow I really hope this comes out somehow especially with all of the inconsistencies of Garth first finding his mom, Chad not being there at the time and that eye opening explanation of that 911 call!! Wow! You nailed it!!!
Kay is the one who connects all the little dots here and there!
Thank god for Kay & Larry, or we might not have these trials.
Excellent recap and discussion, thank you. As for the talking over each other, that was not a problem at all and if people don’t like it, don’t listen. In fact it was like a casual conversation with a friend which was great. Don’t worry about criticism just keep doing you. 😘
53:14 "okay Julie ....weirdo" I can't stop laughing lmao
I really appreciate this investigative work and trying to work through what really happened rather than just reiterating what happened in court thank you ladies very interesting
How difficult for Garth to be close to his mother and simultaneously the star defense witness. If Chad planted ideas for testimony into Garth's mind etc., how does he square that with his love for his Mom? The spiritual manipulation to convince Garth to move due to hauntings... All of this is so suspicious. Will Garth's Dateline appearance and 9-1-1 call be like Paul Murdaugh Snapchat of the dog placing his Dad at the murder scene?
Chad wanted Garth as a witness to back him up.
Even if you live out in the country... get a security camera. I bought one from Amazon for less than $30 and it screws right into my lightbulb socket on the front deck! Can you imagine how much could have been avoided or proved now if a neighbor would have had a camera.
I think it's possible Chad said "down" as in "down the hall" or similar, and the cousin interpreted it as "down"stairs. Either way, if i were a juror, that would be a non-issue for me.
My thoughts as well
I thought that at first. Until Prior made such a fuss about it. It looks like she may have been murdered up in that room, then moved down to the main bedroom. He didn’t get her in the bed right, so she was dangling off of it. Enter poor Garth, who realized she was very cold and stiff-‘frozen’.
Prior made it a big deal to discredit the cousin,
Agree
Excellent show Lauren and Troubkemaker.
Slug was the pit stirree and trouble maker.
I love he couldn't look at Kay or Heather on the stand!
I remember Chad telling Emma to move a mattress, but that was in the back of the police car the day JJ and Tylee were found.
So Chad's portal is really the cozy cone peak 😏
How many bedrooms are in this house? Tammy in one, Garth in one, Seth had one (cuz therebwas an envelope with $9k in it), loft room. Seems loft room was office and bedroom, cuz Chad used BYUI, according to Chad 🤔
Lauren that makes sense ! Salient and it fits. Chad is a coward and let alex in to do the deed. And Chad have dragged poor Garth into his crime story
Garth picked her up off HER bedroom floor. (???) . The interview is revealing.
On the 911 call Garth says “she’s on the floor”. So was she still on the floor at the time of the 911 call or had he already picked her up because he didn’t say “ I found her on the floor”. It’s so odd to me that he also has two stories going.
Julie author, prepper girl… is what we refer to as ‘full of it’… and of herself… really gets into her own storytelling… she and daddy chaddy must’ve had some good other worldly weird times together
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I loved listening to Lauren and Julie were ruminating over different possibilities of how it all went down in this’d video.I imagine the jurors discussing their theories during deliberations sounds much like this.
They said in court Garth brought McDonald's and she had potatoes in her stomach contents that were not thrown up
Who testified to that, do you remember?
Did the ME discuss this or just the coroner? Prior tried to discredit the coroner when she said Tammy had a full stomach so I was really looking forward to hearing about that from her ME but heard zero. Did I just somehow miss it?
@@DivineDiscoveristI was surprised the ME didn’t mention the stomach contents. And neither the prosecutor nor Prior brought it up. I was specifically waiting to hear discussion of that.
@@2dogmom thanks for confirming. Thought maybe I’d missed somehow
Yeah, I’m in my early 40s and, when I’m staying at my parents’ and go out late, they want me to check in with them when I get home. Totally understandable if Tammy asked Garth to check in and that’s how he found her.
We love Troublemaker Baker! We love Julie.
I have adult kids who live with me and we still let each other know we’re home safe.
If Chads children were , and , or , are in denial ; it makes me wonder how they could ever psychologically come to reconcile that they supported Chad . Tragic
The damage that this Daybell -Vallow duo did is horrific
In . The. Name. Of . Religion
I know how people act when having a full blown affair and I know Chad would have had his “office” and bedroom in the “cozy cone”. He would have been repulsed by his wife by that time and bullying her or emotionally abusing her during this time. He would be able to freely speak to Lori, have phone sex, and plot for hours upstairs in the “cozy cone” away from Tammi and all the kids and knew if someone was coming with the opening of the door to the house and walking up the stairs would have let him know someone is coming. This I know is 💯 true… this is the behavior of a plotting, cheating, a$$hat.
That's EXACTLY what I thought , Alex was near the house and he was let in to kill Tammy . I don't think Chad had the guts to do it !!!
I don't think it matters about stairs or not etc -- that's razzle dazzle to distract from the solid facts that (a) Chad told multiple contradictory stories about how and what time Tammy died; and (b) no matter which (if any) of those storis is true, he didn't phone the emergency services for hours after she died and then lied to them that he had just found her dead. Nothing else matters.
When Chad was in the police car talking to Emma he told her she would need to get the mattress from UP STAIRS and bring it down to use . Like there wasn't a mattress on one of the beds down stairs .I think he hadn't replaced the mattress on the bed in the master bedroom yet or if he did buy a new one he was using it on the bed in the cozy cone and he was sleeping up there since he returned from Hawaii and Lori's arrest. But go back and listen it's close to the end of his and Emma's talk the day he was arrested .When they agreed that Emma was moving into his house.
I think it has to be considered that 2 people murdered Tammy. The reason I say this is the location of the bruises. Remember Prior Mukden a big deal of the fact that there was a number of bruises on one arm and only 1 on the upper so that does not support being held down. However there was a large bruise on her upper chest which could have been a knee but she would have resisted so I think 2 people were needed
The article says this:
My room was down the hall. And I heard a thump," said Garth Daybell. "And heard my dad yell, 'Garth, Garth, come quick,' with the most panic I'd ever heard in his voice."
I wonder if that was added or if the video was edited 🤔
I hope Garth speaks for his mother. His father used him to call 911 trying to distance himself from HIS crime and then Garth couldn't lie because he is not a sociopath like his father who thought they were ALL a burden when he was chasing after Lori.
do we know if Garth will be testifying?
I forgot that @troublemakerbaker is Julie. lol. I see you in other chats & forget lol. Transference. And the comment that began, “When Chad told Emma from the cop car to get rid of the mattresses…” I got chills!