Drowning in moral poverty is so real. With the way social media and news constantly expose us to the worst parts of life we've had to become somewhat desensitised
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“One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simple and doesn't require religion at all.” ― Arthur C. Clarke
Nietzsche said basically the same. The issue, according to him, is that on the current stage, humanity still can't have morality being separated from religion. And our current society perfectly reinforce it.
So many are replacing religion with faith in government and related institutions which is unfortunate because this often involves forcing your beliefs on others.
In my experience 'finding purpose' and 'finding meaning' is an endless search without ending. Asking myself 'what do I enjoy' has helped a lot. I enjoy making music on drums within a club. Also walking/hiking in nature with friends or alone, I enjoy so much. When I enjoy something to the fullest, the meaning and purpose are not important to me.
I’ve been in different for most of my life and didn’t care about much. Through that indifference I was able to find something to care about. I’ve been able to pick up illustration and decided to create children’s books. Am I rich, not at all, not even close. But I am fulfilled, it gives me meaning, enough to continue to push forward. Best of luck to you finding your why.
I have studied ancient vedic astrology which is based on karma and reincarnation-it gives my life a lot of meaning. In a lifetime you will probably experience a seven year period of karmic correction (Ketu dasha)-every spiritually minded person hopes to go through one of these periods despite it being the most challenging time. Through this understanding of spiritual science (science of light), astrology guides us naturally to do the right thing to protect our future and future lives. It has taught me this point more so than Christianity where people may be tempted to make selfish 'mistakes' in the thought that forgiveness for error can be granted, and not improve their lives properly. It helps me to reflect on life and strive for the most positive symbolic meanings of periods of time eg. Saturn could mean depression or, your choice- hard work, discipline and success through perseverance. Or Mars- anger and hatred ,or getting fit and challenging yourself physically
What’re your thoughts on the caste system? - more specifically, the idea that the social standing you’re born into is a manifestation of your karma. Ie untouchable, Brahmin etc
It's a necessary and healthy systemic shift for every society. Doing good not because you are afraid of consequences or because some book told you so, but because you feel this is the right way. There is no guidance and it makes it harder, and it's normal. A human is not a microwave and does not come with a manual.
I studied philosophy at University and really loved that. My final work was about Nietzsche’s view towards the Greek Tragedy. My second year at University I had Medieval Philosophers… at that time I forced an approach to the Church and enjoyed, some year later I left. What I can say is my time close to Christian Religion built something important that I praise.
Zen philosopher Alan Watts said in an interview back in 1970 saying “ there won’t be an America in the year 2000 with the rate we’re going it’ll be a baron eroded country of desert.” And I can see this becoming more and more prevalent as we go forward with the decline of religion and most of us wanting instant gratification. and exposed to too much news too much of everything really no wonder we have stress and anxiety more prevalent in this stage.
I do not subscribe to organized religion as I believe it is contributing to Godlessness, but I was living on the streets homeless for 8 years and grew up in a horribly abusive family and I know I wouldn't be where I am today without the Lord. He literally sent angels to save my life. I follow the gospel of Jesus Christ. My life was vastly improved when I accepted the Lord and was baptized by an ex-felon-turned pastor. Is my life perfect? No. But I have finally felt true happiness and for the first time in my life I like myself and I have hope and contentment and I owe it all to trusting in the Lord. Don't give up. Keep fighting the good fight. ✝️❤️
When my parents brought me to church ever week, I realized that sitting there for an hour didn't accomplish a damn thing. Go help someone who is less fortunate than you. Oh, I think that’s what Jesus was trying to tell us..
People don't have purpose today, but you know what is scary ? That far right or far left which give them feel of purpose is on rise ... tough times awaits us ..
I’m an atheist and don’t need religion to be a good person. What has been done in the name of “belief”? The slaughter of tens of millions. Religion is necessary…;for the weak minded. For the rest of us, we will keep seeking meaning in a post religious world..
I think it's very important in these discussions to contrast personal meaning and grand (or universal) meaning. Also, we need to get over the idea that meaning is an absolute necessity to live life. The church gave us grand meaning. Yes, it was a cohesive force, but I think people have figured out that much of it was thought up by mortal men whose vision really isn't any better than your own. I remember when I was young there were people at church who claimed they knew the grand meaning, and that I could find it too, but after much mental wrestling, at 64, I now think both were lies. I'm relieved to let the grand meaning be the concern of whatever grand power is out there. Personal meaning is something you build yourself, and no one cares about it besides yourself and your close friends. You're one of billions. You're likely NOT going to share meaning with a rice farmer on the other side of the globe. Personal meaning is a pre-fabricated ideal equation that you try to cram yourself into. Sometimes the equation is selfless and noble. Oftentimes it is vain. While it can propel one through life, I think for many it is a straightjacket. To always be clawing for meaning is a self-centered pursuit-- an act that in itself leads to perpetual dissatisfaction. People who let go and remain fluid are often happier.
There isn't a grand meaning, but meaning certainly is important. Life is hell a lot of the time. If your aim is to just be "happy" then you are going to be disappointed a lot of the time. Slaving away 9-5 five days a week, cleaning, paying taxes, shopping for mundane things. If you can find some sort of meaning that makes the inevitable suffering and mundanity of being worth bearing, you will have a better life.
❤ your comment reminded me of a part in the Great Divorce by CS Lewis. I just found it - chapter 5. If you've never read the book I highly recommend it.
This is a really good video. Thanks. What I got out of it is that everyone’s searching for their own meaning and trying to find an answer. But even not having one isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
"Thou shalt be judged by thy faith but by thy actions" In my opinion as an agnostic, the best view to have about religion regardless of which one you believe in or stop believing in for that matter.
I think that if the majority of people can move their need for meaning into the phrase 'the world should always be a better place because a man has lived' we can make this work. If we can find our divine in the earth beneath our feet and our fellow human beings and make our purpose serving and nurturing all those around us then we can make this world a better place.
Humans need to be on the same page. We all need a common goal. We have the resources to try to alleviate human suffering and promote creativity and innovation. I don't see why that isn't our goal.
I live in the most religious country mentioned earlier I feel that my country is growing into a very messy country, humanity is judged by religious costumes, sexual harassment occurs in many places, especially in religious-based schools and everyone blames each other because their religion is different politically it is even filled with religious identity politics, if you don't vote for one of the parties it means you are leaving the majority religion and to this day the arguments created by the biggest religious and political elites to clash society through religion are still happening today and my country is still the third most impolite country in the world (on social media cyberworld) Violence and murder due to religious differences still occur public officials made it difficult to build places of worship other than mosques Changing the religion column apart from changing to Islam is also made difficult by the state intimidation of Muslims against religious minorities appears to be supported by the government
Technology and social media create this sense of "ego" and religion helps with humility and breaking of the ego. Mental health issues are at record levels since technology has consumed human lives. So I think without some sort of faith people will continue to be lost.
Personally, I think people should stop talking about the "End of Time." This is something created by Man. Folks think it's the end because of floods, wars , and major tragedies around the world. Something that has been going on since humans have occupied the Earth. My Grandfather always said, "The End of the World is the day you die." 😉
Some things have been lost by the decline of religion, but in my view, my more has been gained. Feynman said it best: "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can be questioned." Fortunately, enough people have avoided the trap of passive pleasures depicted in Nietzsche's Last Man in favor of the hopeful exertion of their wills to improve their lives, thereby benefiting all of us.
No they didn’t avoid those passive pleasures, they keep falling back into them and many don’t make it out at all. Religion is almost a sure fire way out every time, unlike politics or philosophy, based on the concepts of men which are not perfect because men are imperfect.
I'm in my mid 50s, and was raised as Christian- not by family, but by society: daily hymns at junior school (the head master sang in the church choir). As a teen, some friends and I joined the same choir- to have something to put on future CVs....we practiced twice a week, sang at weddings, and 2 or 3 services on a Sunday ( we got a small payment). As a choir we had annual outings, and concerts in other Cathedrals. It was less about "god" more about beautiful music and a social circle. Most of the seniors would have been war veterans - so I guess where 1 in 8 of their peers would have died, singing psalms and hymns, and listening to gospels would have provided comfort. I don't think that the church is like that anymore.....
I found meaning and values in a post religious world by studying and practicing Epicurean philosophy and studying Lucretius. Epicurus teaches the most complete non-supernatural system of ethics and helps people to build happy lives, practicing friendship, empirical thinking, and philosophy. His ethics involve the social contract and the Kyriai Doxai (his forty Principal Doctrines). Also study Nietzsche and others, but the Epicureans are a good foundation for a good life.
"Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind.* Friedrich Nietzsche
I'm skeptical about the concept of meaning (perhaps it's a fault in my comprehension). I think the desire for meaning is problematic, akin to the desire for material things, when we confuse emotional payoff with the object. I think the quest for inner peace is a better pursuit than the quest for meaning. I think people increasingly use secular versions of religions to achieve this, especially wrt buddhism and taoism. Philosophy, especially ancient philosophy, which is more like self-help, also. I note you don't mention religion's role in almost all wars, in clouding political debate and in cementing class divides in society. The idea that we're heading for a dark future because we don't have religion is just ridiculous imo.
I was raised Christian but stopped beleiving as I grew older because it seems like fairytales to me. I felt lost in life for quite a while, especially with all the cruelty in the world. I came to the conclusion that the state of nature is cruel, and I would define my life by resisting that cruelty. Now I work as a care worker and do my best to improve people's lives, which makes me happy and gives my life meaning. I think you can find meaning in anything really, you just need to work out what kind of person you are and then structure your life around who you are, what you are good at, and what brings you happiness. Whatever it is needs to involve both struggle and rest though, as periods of rest gain greater meaning and joy when they come after periods of struggle e.g. hard work.
I went 10 years suffering after quitting benzos suddenly and getting 'benzo injury protacted withdrawal' but i am a believer and Jesus strength helped me going through, not only that one day i started screaming at Him to heal me 'Heal me i believe you can do it' and i felt relief, this happened like 10 times. I don't care if no one believes me, i am not ashamed of my God because when life brings heat, everyone abandons you or can't really help you, but he has your back if you are his child.
Coincidence at its peak!!!!! I just finished listening to Nietzsche's the genealogy of morals!!!! Browsing YT for similar content couldn't have came any better time!!!
That's my favorite, and the first one I read. Though I'm not sure I totally even buy that one, I diffinately don't feel the rest holds up. Schopenhauer makes way more sense to me, and I wish I'd read him first.
Nietzsche was trying to Be schopenhauer and then trying to come up with something, anything new to go beyond him, but I think largely failing. Schopenhauer is Real pessimist, where as Nietzsche wanted us to find new values of own manufacture, which I think is dumb, and lets keep in mind the man went crazy Trying....@@sajiththalasseriparambil5676
I have found meaning through my family and friends. The connective bonds I have with my husband, children, my in laws and my friends have given me purpose and strength to get through the hard times and overcome challengers. Maybe that’s what religion provided for so many years, a community that someone could be apart of that gave them meaning, security and a why to live. I became an atheist when I was 19 and fell straight into the abyss. Now at 39 I would call myself a pantheist in the Spinoza sense or maybe the Stoic sense. I live according to nature, for me that means being a good mother to my children, getting them ready for life and to live on their own as good people when they become adults. Being a good wife to my husband, challenging him and him challenging me to become a better person.
1. AI will take our jobs. 2. Without the need to work, people will channel their motivations into other things. 3. People will return to community life, and there they will acquire a strong tribal identity. It seems easy for people to believe in a broader identity that gives meaning to their lives. We just have to provide the conditions for it. Take football teams, for example. People really believe them. The woke movement, and before it, communism, also provide similar things.
You can be very religious and yet (correctly) believe that assuming the bible is indeed from god, it's not meant to be taken literally, but the stories and events are meant to teach us lessons, we are expected to figure out for ourselves with the brains that religious people believe god gave us
The religion I believed has accompanied me for more than forty years. All the way, religion acts as a guide line in my life. But one day, I found that there is a huge gap between people and the church in viewing, understanding, and handling the matters around us. For the time being, I don’t think the gap could fully be bridged.
I go the cheesy route of trying to create my own meaning. I try to be a decent person but I also recognize that's simply a harder way to live. Living in general isn't easy so I try to make it bare able maybe even fun for just a little bit longer.
People can find meaning in life through communal bonds, shared experiences, and the pursuit of social justice. Without relying on a belief in God, human connection, solidarity, and working together to create a more equitable and just society is what would be most important. For me, meaning in life is derived from actively participating in efforts to eradicate oppression , promote mutual aid, and create a sense of community. I see fulfillment in contributing to the well-being of others and advocating for social change.
@@dharmaqueen7877 Transformative change can be achieved through direct action, grassroots organizing, and collective efforts to challenge existing power structures and injustices. While activist will obviously face challenges and resistance, it's very possible for sustained and widespread activism to contribute to the creation of a better world
@@MarxistMomentum Trying to change the world puts you at odds with it because it requires interfereing in the business of others, not just your own. It works the same way whether coming from religious believers or secularists.
@@dharmaqueen7877 I don't mind being at odds with the world if it's evil, and I don't mind interfering in the business of others if that business is harmful to other living creatures and the planet.
@Anarcat - I am glad readers are engaging with you respectfully. My belief is that you assume an innate goodness in people. This must not go unchallenged. You may be at risk of becoming a martyr, an enabler of bad behaviour or an authoritarian (suppressing freedom) - just three examples of failure - if you do so. I see people as inherently fallen with some irredeemably so. Institutions and freedom to create them exist to control people with shared values. There are significantly fewer shared values today and therefore both more ineffective institutions and disconnected people. I believe there are more people sufficiently disillusioned with the existing state of things to let it fall apart. I also don't beileve your group is sufficiently strong in itself to keep society together or create a new one.
A true civilization isn't separated by borders or in competition with anyone or thing, nor does it require a military. Civilization is everyone working together to build and create by choice and love without the need of currency as a means of encouragement.
The analysis seems right to me. Religion is what can bring people together and orient them when they're lost in life. I'm from a 'religious' country: Brasil. Here nihilism is going rampant, but the older generation, even if aren't religious, do not disrespect religious, bcuz of their parents back then, but the newer generation is close to europe in this aspect. I can't see a substitute for religion. The idea of the omnipresent observator seems essencial to build any kind of moral or self-conduct, you can only analyse your bad actions if you have a frame of reference from where you can extract "what is a right behaviour" and compare it. I turned myself to catholicism recently, and even it was harsh at the beginning, now things are making sense and got easy to believe, and once here, you realize the hell world of self improvments you have to do till the end of life. What sucks is when you lose faith, or even racionally comprehending god's action, you don't have that willing to pray properly. The community isn't so supportive. Even if they're trying to develop Virtues, the rule it to be completely immersed in the world and occasionally be humble, charitable ... I've been thinking about it and my conclusion is: You must center god as a pilar of your life, bcuz if you don't do that, u'll center it in other things: money, beauty, pleasure, and that will inevitably corrupt your morals and then... society doesn't have a common ground to discuss what is right anymore. For someone who cares for money, you worth nothing if u're not rich. For someone who cares for beauty, a ugly and unnatractive person's life shouldn't be considered as relevant as a beauty one. Who knows future consequences of that: "--Who we gonna save?" "--Only the hot chicks worth it" And the case of pleasure, it is the worst. If pleasure can be seen as holy, maybe someone's pleasure of having sex with kids should be accepted. Who knows what the disturbed vision of judges who put pleasure as the center of life would do? We already see that. Yesterday in my city, a case where a man of 20 and a girl of 12 had sex and she got pregnant was judged as ok by the court, even if the mother was 100% against it and denounced it. Discussion can enter here, yes. But it is not about what is right anymore, bcuz there isn't right when everyones vision is corrupted. I thing I would like to add is about your comment on: We still advancing without religion, Netherlands thrive. Well, Christianity never aimed to advance humanity in things like economy, but it was the ground for it. But in therms of self knowing, nothing in modern world helps us to get ot know ourselves, to recognize our own messes and repair it actively. (~maybe Stoicism with their Egoistic Truism approches that, but that's not modern), so if you're kinda ruining the common ground for people to think. It will be inevitable that sooner or later this order will fall. In some sense, the rising of ditactorial democracies, as here in Brasil, may serve us as an example of the future. If nobody agrees in anything, we're gonna impose our views and fuck what they think.
One does not necessarily have to be religious to have morals. Think of the stoic virtues wisdom justice, temperance and courage. These can also hold society together.
I chose the old Norse ways 6 years ago. It helped me to endure having to divorce my wife. I found it and chose it after discovering my Ancestors came to America from Norway. Learning more about my Scandinavian roots their beliefs made more sense to me and felt more right.
Agreed! When people tell me that 'the end is near' or 'the prophecies are being fulfilled every day', I just roll my eyes and say have you ever heard of the Black Plague or burning 'witches' at the stake or how children were forced to work in coal mines? I could go on, but you get the idea.
@@Fair-to-Middling On a global scale, right now (even with the crazy inflation and social media religion) is probably the best time ever in history to be alive.
I’m not a religious person but I think it has its values for those who seek it and people shouldn’t be critical to whose who seek it. Humans need a belief system. If it doesn’t exist, other forms begin to replace it such as leftism, Marxism, materialism, etc. I think one can find moral values from other sources that are not only religion. I read a lot of philosophy so I learn a lot of values from individuals such as Marcus Aurelius, Nietzsche, Aristotle, camus, etc. I find these help me and provide with a compass to navigate life. It’s not perfect but it works for me. If one doesn’t have a strong set of values regardless of what it is, I leads to hedonism and nihilism which isn’t good.
I dont understand how you could read On The Geneaology of Morals and believe Nietzche lamented the collapse of religion. He hated religion. He knew that humanity had morals built in to them - you don't need a supernatural being to be moral.
I do understand the power and benefit of religion, however, one can be very happy, fulfilled, and good morally without subscribing to theistic beliefs.
You missed the mark several times with this video, but I do agree with you & Nietzsche that religion is basically our least bad option, with nothing to realistically replace it with creating chaos & evil. Atheism doesn't work because, despite its logical counter-points against religion's preached beliefs and provenly absurd lies, often in favor of logic, science & reasoning, atheism itself offers no moral compass and no incentive to have & maintain morals and therefore order. Nihilism is just a complete disregard of everything moral or even logical at times in favor of one's own preferred gratification, regardless of whether or not it negatively affects societal order, other's well being, karma (if you will), etc. Religion has its flaws like religious wars, rape, encouraging marriage despite divorce court scams & breaking up families, sexual prude-ness, this weird & wrong phenomenon to unite with everyone no matter how evil, normalizing blindly believing what one is told even over science & proven fact, etc. But religion and religious people also have undeniably brought much order, civility, and happiness for millenniums probably more than anything else like free societies such as the USA, conservatism, charities, the end of slavery, etc. Until humanity comes up with something better or compareably effective, religion is most likely here to stay, for better for worse. The religious could also get rid of what provenly does not work (marriage, automatic unifying with anyone, etc.) or improve upon things that only partly work (not so weird & boring payers, etc.).
Nietzsche was correct indeed. People have to find their own purpose in life, but I hear that so many are without it at the moment. "Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has. Use that freedom. Make up your own mind...". Society nowadays doesn't make it easy though, and I truly feel for the youths out there trying to find identity in such a shit show.
Slightly ironic you use a quote from a Hollywood hypnosis production of a military man. Good film though. I reckon there is a correlation with lack of identity and the ability of the youth to see the night sky unencumbered. When you can see the full night sky, you remember.
Finding my own way of living, that kind of freedom is the scary thing. But I must try Freedom means there are unforseen consequences that comes with freedom
Nietzsche was hopeful, man. The point was not the catastrophe, which he saw as a necessary danger. The point was overcoming nihilism by finding a source of creativity and valuation within oneself.
I was born in a Muslim family and society. I used to pray 5 times a day, reading Quran almost everyday, reading Islamic books since my childhood. And while doing that I wasn't convinced. I read a lot of things that made me questioned why is that? How? It's not logic? But I was scared to ask these questions to elder people. So in 14 y.o, I started reading books about history, Arab people before Islam, Mohammed's life, also books about other religions, philosophy, science ect... I also followed Twitter accounts that criticize Islam and Christianity ect. After doing that for 4 years, I ended up leaving Islam and not believing in any religion. And I think that made me a rational objective person, the hate in my heart had disappear. Like I was raised that my religion is the only right one and everyone else will go to hell. So i kinda hated christians and thought that they're stupid also Hindu and ahh our greatest enemy Jews people. So now I don't hate anyone. I think everyone is right and wrong at the same time. I also think that no one have the definitive truth. I think that I become smarter like I used to believe any information without thinking. About my morals, I become much more kinder tbh, because helping people makes me happy, I don't do it because God said so, but because I feel so. I hurt no one. And I become a much more opened person. I think that religion is a confort zone for many people. They're scared to think, and they will ask their God for help. It helps them relax. And nothing wrong with that. But religious people also need to create their own path to think. My morals get influenced by many philosophers especially Epicurus and Buddha. And my life become less stress. There's no Jin wants to hurt me, and I don't have to blame evil for my mistakes, I blame myself. The problem of people leaving religions is that they follow short happiness. If people follow philosophy and science, I will be less violence and hate. Even religion makes you hate other people and selfish. Back in the history the main reason of wars was religion
You reacted in the best possible way, but others going through the same process could indeed choose a path of selfishness, greed, materialistic nihilism, etc. with the same journey. No easy answers all around.
@@MVProfits yeah, but sometimes I be like I wish I didn't know all this stuff. Like my mind is tired of that. At least religious people live a simple life and have someone they go to when they feel sad. Not like us.
@@llandolci yep, that's true as well. I'm agnostic you might say, IDK what is the afterlife or if there is any. But in THIS life, religious people have a sense of certainty and feel a power that is helpful for a lot of them, for sure. A lot less doubts overall - which helps a lot in some cases, and can be a prison in a few other cases. I get what you're saying.
Einstein summed up religion quite well: If people are good because they fear eternal punishment, and hope for eternal reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Most people only help others out of pity. But the problem is they help them because they dont like feeling pity and in doing so also views them as weaker and inferior. People should help others because they respect them and see them as equals not because they feel bad.
To be fair though, that’s pretty much how we work in every other aspect too, so I don’t understand why it’s condemnable when it comes to religion. We’re raised on reward and punishment, it continues in the education system and doesn’t stop at the workplace either. Additionally I would argue a lot of laws are the only reason people don’t do certain things. It’s simply how we work.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.” ― Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
After my divorce 2 years ago- I believed my life as a father was over way to short. But my two teenage sons, that live with me 100% of the time… my life as a single father has been amazing. My focus is getting the youngest one finished with high school. My oldest is in mechanic trade school. He has always loved working on cars.
According to PEW Research Center 85% of parents find the greatest sense of meaning, by a Long shot, in their Children. Other studies show that the more children a woman has, the lower her chance of suicide. This all makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, everything we are today we evolved to be because it helped our children survive, and our infants take an enormous amount of work to keep alive for a longer time than any other species! And it would have been even harder in pre-historic times. If our pre-historic ancestors didn't get positive feelings out of supporting and raising their children, they wouldn't have put the work in and we would have died out. We can now avoid the work required through contraceptives and abortions without realizing it's actually what we need.
Even as a child, when I lacked for nothing, I wanted to die : I wanted to surrender because I saw no sense in struggling. I felt that nothing would be proved, substantiated, added or subtracted by continuing an existence which I had not asked for. - Henry Miller
“I don't believe in God. Can you understand that? Look around you man. Cant you see? The clamor and din of those in torment has to be the sound most pleasing to his ear. And I loathe these discussions. The argument of the village atheist whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place. Your fellowship is a fellowship of pain and nothing more. And if that pain were actually collective instead of simply reiterative then the sheer weight of it would drag the world from the walls of the universe and send it crashing and burning through whatever night it might yet be capable of engendering until it was not even ash. And justice? Brotherhood? Eternal life? Good god, man. Show me a religion that prepares one for death. For nothingness. There's a church I might enter. Yours prepares one only for more life. For dreams and illusions and lies. If you could banish the fear of death from men's hearts they wouldnt live a day. Who would want this nightmare if not for fear of the next? The shadow of the axe hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death. Or worse. Every friendship. Every love. Torment, betrayal, loss, suffering, pain, age, indignity, and hideous lingering illness. All with a single conclusion. For you and for every one and everything that you have chosen to care for. There's the true brotherhood. The true fellowship. And everyone is a member for life. You tell me that my brother is my salvation? My salvation? Well then damn him. Damn him in every shape and form and guise. Do I see myself in him? Yes. I do. And what I see sickens me. Do you understand me? Can you understand me?” ― Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited
Lose ur life a few times and then know how sweet life is. ❤ To me one breathe is worth it. There is only one person who can be me. So I do me with great humility. One chance to have one breathe.
It seems that he needed to get a job or do something productive. He was probably some bored, priviledged westerner with too much time on His hands! Some bohemian i.diot!
However it is noteworthy that humans have shown God the door in every aspect of life but then wonder all incredulously 'where He is' whenever a calamity happens. Apparently we think He should still loiter around even after being expelled -- just in case. It also shows we mere mortals still retain an inherent sense of right and wrong -- while simultaneously still attempting to believe that there's absolutely no Divine intelligence to attribute or it to, or from which it naturally comes. We're an odd, rebellious bunch, aren't we?
The movie Naked (1993) described perfectly what Nietzsche feared. I’d argue it was always like this, but internet/social media has completely nuked people’s minds to mush.
That, certainly - but let's not forget the 72 shots of 16 different vaccines by the age of 18, and the incessant drugging of our children, adults, and seniors.
We live such empty lives it’s insane. We have everything that u need for survival yet we lost the most important parts of life: purpose, meaning, harmony, connecting. As long as this generation starts living differently as there parents thought them (money,house,work,school)we are just gonna see more and more pain.
Yeah, cause history shows that everything was So harmonious back then. People used to constantly be At war, killing eachother in the most gruesone ways, it was Even worse than today. We are living in the most peaceful era of humanity.
@@ai-no3ibJust because the wars aren't raging in our backyards doesn't mean they have stopped. People in first world countries like the US all too often take for granted peace manufactured through proxy manipulation. I highly doubt those living in the Middle East would consider this their most peaceful era--probably quite the opposite.
@@goldenlizard92 Tell that to the people of the middle ages Who fought in barbaric wars, died of horrific diseases, died from a tooth infection, in childbirth, from the plague, smallpox, worked hard Agricultural jobs to survive, had no indoor toilet, shower or running water and bathed once a year. The kings took their money, there was pillaging, theft, prostituting, murder, the rich took enslaved the poor, Even the church forced people to Pay good money because it was a very powerful and corrupt institution! God and religion has nothing to do with the downfall of men! I’m agnostic and I still have a set of moral values, I don’t go around hurting other people, I still do good deeds because I feel like doing them! And btw, the middle East is stuck in the middle ages fighting religious wars BECAUSE of religion, before islam, that area was the cradle of civilization!
I'm quite old now and in Finland all through my life religion has not played any part of my life, or the lives of the people I know. Still nobody in my early years complained about the lack of purpose or meaning. This anxiety has come in the last couple of decades, and particularly in the last decade and it's all because of the smart phone, not the lack of religion. We have started to live our lives online, and many people who know of nothing else, feel sick because of it. That's because they don't know how it was before, they only know the artificial world of the fast and portable internet. They try to fit their human instincts, needs and wants to work in this digital realm, but they naturally fail in it, because human interactions are not supposed to be just short readable messages or videos, but the actual presence of other people in a physical space. This is why the younger people feel that "the world" is an awful place, as the only world they have ever known is a highly lonely, artificial and commercial one, facilitated by big corporations like Instagram, X, TikTok RUclips and the like. I see these kinds of videos all the time now, videos which yearn for religion to make a comeback, but the lack of religion is NOT the problem. The problem is that people have opted out of all natural communities and embraced artificial and superficial ones in the name of short term comfort. I repeat; in my childhood and younger years nobody had any "existential crisis" or thought that life is without purpose or meaning whatsoever. People may have had their individual hardships, but there was no big sentiment that "the whole world is an awful, anxiety inducing dystopia". That all came along with portable high speed internet, and people preferring it's comfort over actual interactions. There's still lots and lots people could do which would enrich their lives exponentially, but they just choose not to, say it's impossible and yearn for something like religion to come back and hand them meaning.
Religion yes, but most fools doesn't separate god and religion. The belief in god, has not much to do with religion. Wise men, know god and have no use for religion.
@@iamshebeeloloindigenous I'am not really wishing for anything. Just stating cold hard facts. P.S. to experienced, to old, to realistic to believe in romanticism like "the kingdom is within you". Just been around the block, and seen far far too much to hold stock in that.. Been around longer than you, obvoiusly... Very well then, Peace to you right back...
Even when I did believe in God I still went by "would I do this if no one was watching" on many occasions. I find this question particularly powerful to point out the truth of someone's heart. If someone, despite believing in some higher responsibility, tells you they would go commit crimes and atrocities, do not trust them in critical or desperate situations. Afterall, if they can betray a God, how much more will they betray you.
@@AndrewChristiansen-rx4mx he didn’t imply that - at all . What he said was that someone who claims to be an avid believer in a higher power yet still goes and commits crimes and atrocities , even in the face of their God , is surely someone not to be trusted. The person here demonstrates that although they still need God , and even in the face of God , they still commit wrong. So never did their need of God translate into instilling the righteous code of conduct that others would normally expect- or require - from this person. Here his need of God never at all assisted this individual to do the right thing to begin with. Thus his need of God here for this one individual person never automatically equated to being good or moral that others would normally expect. However that much being said and despite this it doesn’t mean that everyone who needs God would still do wrong or contradict their faith. So perhaps they DO IN FACT need him for that guidance when they do right. Then also the vice versa is true , as it doesn’t mean that people who don’t need God would always necessarily do the wrong thing either if they never had God as their compass . You’re looking at it incorrectly . Because some still DO while others don’t - it all depends on the person . Now as far as how many not needing God to still do the right thing while going into the future ? Well , only time will tell , because this phenomenon is still very recent.
@@dharmaqueen7877 you're saying that no one is to blame for the problems in this world. basically only the very own individuals fault, anything else are external scapegoats. I'd rather focus on the self reflecting, numb emotion which argues that the perceived awareness of the lack of sustainability induced by the desire to win and be above any idiot, fogged with media, which is by the way the main culprit of blaming young people (satisfaction in indulgence by older readers in pleasing themselves) in the past vs. today. Naming it the same is insane.
@@kip4223I believe he’s stating quite the opposite, which I tend to agree. The younger generations haven’t fixed it, though some effort is happening. We let ourselves be divided on other issues rather than solving the issues that are most important, meanwhile the older generations created the problem and only want to escape responsibility as they continue towing the same things, and they teach their children to be the same
"He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how" - The man covered in this video Indeed, if you are unable to make decisions for yourself, they will be made for you, often against your own interest and to the detriment of your character.
I love God, trying to do good, help others and live according to God's laws. I am looking forward to be with Him forever ❤️ To me that gives me most meaningful life!
@@dharmaqueen7877Nietzsche had a mental breakdown in 1889 and spent the last 11 years of his life in the care of an asylum and his family, so, no, he never really had a chance to do that
@@macdonald2k I’m not criticizing Nietzsche or his works. I simply made a specific reply to another commenter who seemed curious about the manner of his death
I find meaning through producing art. And 3 years ago, I couldn't even draw. At all; like, *at all.* I read a few books on drawing and now I have progressed into figure drawing! It's like Schopenhauer (sp) said...the only way to happiness is an appreciation for the arts and letters. Ive heard that repeated so many times, and I now firmly believe it.
Sure, but now we have distanced ourselves from nature, never ever have we been so far away from nature Everything is, and feels to me, as fake. The whole equality idea and movement together and science. People only look for comfort and are interested in innovation and efficiency. Nobody seems to have any sense of accountability anymore We are not going to get away with this...
Everybody keeps saying that but I remember what the world was like 20 years ago everything was more stable and people had more trust in each other but today nobody gives a shit about anything except consumption so I don't believe you
I think it's romanticizing a past we were not part of. A wish for good old days to return to, more so than returning to anything actually belonging to the past. To think life was "better" when we were more religious means hope that it could be better now. I think more likely is that life was always filled with suffering, people were always wicked and self serving, and society was always geared towards profiting and elevating a select few. What religion gave us was a soothing lie we could tell ourselves about the reality of existence, and without that lie we can't force ourselves to endure the way we used to. This is an old and tired point, and it so oversimplifies the complex reality we have always existed in that it's laughable to think it means anything. So is your understanding of Nietzsche, who's been used more than any other philosopher by propagandists over the past century to further points he was in staunch opposition to. Shameless or lazy. Harmfully ignorant either way.
I was born and raised in a catholic familly and have been a believer for 30 years, after becoming an agnostic and subsequently a declared atheist I finally turned to philosophy and psychology to rule my life. I mostly study Stoicism as I can see many logical thoughts to rule a man's life without the necessity to respond to a deity or being subdued by an institution; I still respect Christianity and religions in general though, because they also provide the same teachings as Stoicism, for a better day-to-day life.
Great video. I think it’s difficult to really know the full increases of depression and related mental health issues. Over the last few decades the DSM (manual for identifying a mental health diagnosis) has included more and more behaviours to be classified under a mental health diagnosis. Therefore, your chances of being diagnosed with depression or other mental health needs has dramatically increased. This is compounded by the hegemonic role of the pharmaceutical industry who have a clear vested interest in swelling their customer base. What was once seen as a normal reactions to difficult social issues may now be more readily classified as something pathological. I not arguing that depression is not on the increase, although its reasons are complex.
Agree I think many different factors play into the spike in depression. It really cannot help that our society currently rewards victimhood though. I’m now seeing middle class men striving for victimhood - that’s a sure fire path to unhappiness
We are very unhealthy and the pharmaceutical industry thrives on that 💯💯!!! If we learned how to properly take care of ourselves both physically and mentally as well as emotionally (they are all connected) we wouldn't feel the need to give in and take pills. Sometimes you have to get to the source of the problem yourself because it's not always something a doctor is willing to do.. Ask yourself questions and do some personal investigating; is it something that you may feel uncomfortable facing emotionally.. is it lack of sleep, do you need meditation, more exercise or maybe it's because you are lacking a certain vitamin or your hormones are off..???🤷🤷 It's typically something that can be resolved without medication but that simply will not do because they won't get that extra cash from it💵💵💰💰 If you research hard enough, the "chemical imbalance" theory was debunked YEARS ago!!! But they still preach that bs..🤦🤦🤬🤬🤬 We also have to be aware of medical manipulation to.. When I turned down medication for my depressive episodes, I was amazed at the tactics they tried to use to reel me in...😳😳😳 To each their own at the end of the day but me; been there, done that, no thanks...😒😒👎👎👎
@@enigmaticallis3110 Totally agree, the chemical imbalance stuff is a bunch of BS. IT'S a cash cow in the majority of cases. Almost any other therapy is better than Pharma, IMHO!
We need to go back to Ancient Tartarian Egalitarian Equitarian Highest Standard of Living And Freely Helping Each Other Communal Way Of Living Utopia that reigned for over 1000 years. Like the Amish but more modern and more creative e.
People have always been obsessed with looks and beauty, from the beginning of civilization, it's not like this is some sort of new trend and in my opinion it's nothing to do with the decline of religion: that void has been filled by consumerism, hedonism, materialism. Back in the day, it was even worse - people believed that beauty was a reflection of morality, and ugly people were seen as bad people. The idea of inner beauty is actually a much more modern concept than one might think. But make no mistake - our obsession with looks and beauty has always been a part of human nature.
For years, I've been contemplating these thoughts, asking my grandparents and parents what religion meant to them, and comparing it to how we see it now. The fundamentals of religion are a great social construct, they did abuse their power and people jumped ship, I need to remind you that this happens in all forms of power. Corrupt companies, corrupt financial institutions, corrupt politicians... We decide to let it happen because we can't do much about these scandals because it's out of range for most of us, and we've become too scared and obedient towards this normalized vulgar power structure. On all levels of society, religion made us one, we shared ideals and ways of thinking, giving us a group to be a part of. This has been replaced with 'individuality' and, as mentioned, we do create small, skin-deep communities. None of these have a profound meaning, so it's like eating a very sugary treat. It tastes nice, but it leaves you feeling hungry and wanting more. Also this progression leads to every external event that happens to an individual or any issue they encounter in the world, regardless of whether it is their fault or not, they are ultimately responsible for everything, which creates a tremendous amount of stress and a feeling of helplessness. As a modern society, we are free, but we are also separated from each other. We are like a group of instruments that don't play well together and make noise instead of making music.
"As a modern society, we are free, but we are also separated from each other. We are like a group of instruments that don't play well together and make noise instead of making music." -Joffrey Geenen. Very nicely said and I will make sure to remember this one. Very thoughtful comment overall as well.Thank you!
Love the last sentence, might also explain why I love dissonant music, it really reflects that aspect of the world. A recent song that comes to mind is Noiseless Noise by PJ Harvey, highly recommend. :)
The hardest time I had with my life morally and emotionally was when I gave up looking for god after a lifetime of being raised in religion with no actual tools to make sense of the world. A lot of personal pain would have been spared had I been raised with the proper tools. After years of struggling to find a good path I'm now a big supporter of stoicism and CBT as it has helped me move forward with personal meaning.
Stoicism is great and being stoic is difficult as it demands a great deal on your behalf. This makes stoicism quite timeless, but also not very popular by its very nature
@@rokaspleckaitis8924 Correct. The foolish and the fearful have way better false comfort due to their greater numbers. Their only effort involves keeping up with the latest trend.
I was raised Christian. While I understand wholeheartedly the positive value of religion, I also understand how incredibly destructive it can be. How obsessed people become by it and how it warps people's minds. How people will argue about what they think being a good Christian or good muslim or good Jew is and impose their own views on others. I see a resugence in Christianity. I see it almost as a new "club" people are joining just to feel a part of something. And its not out of the realm of possibility that members of this new club will eventually do what their predecessors did. Chastise, persecute, vilify those who aren't in "the club" or who don't abide by its rules. I already see this happening amongst a new generation of young conservatives. People as individuals are fine. In groups, they're absolute morons and will go along with almost anything so as to remain a devoted member. And this can apply to religious groups, political groups, any group of people who are expected to follow along with certain tenets and beliefs. Liberals in the past few years have shown how insane and nonsensical secular people can be just as the salem witch trials showed how insane and nonsensical religious people can be.
The ironic thing is modern liberalism has become a religion. What's the difference between claiming a virgin gave birth and claiming men can give birth? Nothing much, and both groups I'm referring to will hate you if you point out the objective fact neither of those things are possible (without unnatural modern procedures, anyway).
Your critique of Christianity is that it isn't. Most Christians, nearly all in my estimation, neither know Christ nor follow his example. I point out your observation of being a "good" Christian. Jesus himself is quoted as saying "no one is good but the Father", so those pseudo-Christians who have spoken of being a "good" Christian belie their lack of understanding. Most Christians simply aren't.
@@tedlogan4867 are you a Christian? The problem is everyone thinks they know what it means to be a good Christian. So in a roundabout way you sort of are proving my point.
I’ve come to the conclusion that zealousness isn’t so much a religious problem as it is a human problem. We just tend to associate it with religions/religious people because up until very recently pretty much everyone was religious. In fact, I think the last 125 years have made it clear that most problems that people associate with organized religion can be duplicated within secular organizations just as easily.
@@ptyleranodon3081 yes I agree. I think religion is a very strong conduit however for extreme zealotry/beliefs. But anytime people start identifying with groups it is problematic
I lived that way for 10years after originally being raised christian but as an atheist I went down a deep hole of depression and addiction, resigning the world (pain) and not having any meaning of life. I now found my peace in buddhism and meditation and it was the main factor for my rehab, for giving up drugs and wanting to live and help others instead of escaping reality. I still struggle with my past/demons of course but I now feel happy, my life has meaning and I can truely love myself and others.
@@farinthefuture2178 As an Atheist I have been there. I found my hope in my goals/dreams. That's what keeps me away from alcohol/drugs and keeps me going. I have always struggled with depression since i was a kid which I had even as a Christian back when i had more support and a god to talk to etc. I just know I can't be fake and to keep my eyes on my future of what I will do and where I will go.
I don’t know about the rest of the world, but here in the US we are a bunch of monsters fighting and striving to get the most money we can on a daily basis. People have become so removed from anything spiritual.
@@johnstow5613 tell me u don’t understand reaganomics without telling me u don’t understand reaganomics. reaganomics referrers to the deregulation of economics during the 1980’s ie stripping down everything that made the workforce human instead looking only at the bottom line stripping down every cost that wasn’t efficient. it’s what’s caused such a huge finical discrepancy in this country. trickle down economics is what ur racist grandpa tells u when ur 12 it’s a myth
So, I'm late, and I'm dumb, but is it really a meaningful life if you live by some sacred rules invented millennia ago? I'd rather live in Nietzsche's hellhole, trying to find my own meaning.
Honestly you have a point. But I often see religious or even civilizational cycles just end up like this. As a civilization becomes more prosperous it feels like it has moved past its need for conformist ideals or the transitional morals. However, this often just leads to infighting and large tragedies which erode the civilization further causing both the original civilization and religion to continue to decline. Then a new "prophet" comes around and basically just brings back the exact same things that we tried to reject under a different framework allowing for a new consolidation of civilizational meaning and edge. When loosened this creates a point in which the civilization grows more powerful and expands, until it gets prosperous and egotistical and starts the cycle all over again. I don't necessarily think the current religions will be the ones to survive, but a new religion of equal or even greater strength must take its place or the civilization and the people as a group have no direction.
As a Buddhist I feel attacked by this video haha! On a serious note, I feel this raises a question I’ve found myself asking as I get older, though I feel like most people are caught up in their own busy lives to the point of not noticing, zombie like if you will.
This video is more about Christianity, religious people who are devoted to god and the loss of that tradition. As an Atheist who leans towards more at Spirituality, Buddhism and Taoism philosophy I'm not offended at all. People just have to explore other religions, incorporate all the good morals, wisdoms and life lessons that each offer and take mental health seriously, learn more about psychology.
@@canchero724 because Buddhism is not really religion he is philosopher, and ppl make religion out of him, i personally dislike buddism tho because he is not as liberating as ppl tought
Drowning in moral poverty is so real. With the way social media and news constantly expose us to the worst parts of life we've had to become somewhat desensitised
It's not really helped that the economic environment around social media also incentives this moral poverty.
@@SleepyMatt-zzz I agree but will you expand on that, in which way are you referring to?
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Nope. You did not need to become desensitized you CHOOSE to immerse yourself in social media.
“One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion. So now people assume that religion and morality have a necessary connection. But the basis of morality is really very simple and doesn't require religion at all.”
― Arthur C. Clarke
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Nietzsche said basically the same. The issue, according to him, is that on the current stage, humanity still can't have morality being separated from religion. And our current society perfectly reinforce it.
So many are replacing religion with faith in government and related institutions which is unfortunate because this often involves forcing your beliefs on others.
Not very clever those one obviously
Yes. No better than the religions that they despised.
@@LLS710 I'd say even worse since most religions don't coerce down the barrel of a weapon.
Many are replacing their need for a God with money, fame, stars, sports, etc. This is much worse.
That worked really well last century
We are in the tragedy of human overshoot. It turns out we were a really greedy species lacking true wisdom.
He didn't see it coming, he also saw it during his own time.
In my experience 'finding purpose' and 'finding meaning' is an endless search without ending. Asking myself 'what do I enjoy' has helped a lot. I enjoy making music on drums within a club. Also walking/hiking in nature with friends or alone, I enjoy so much.
When I enjoy something to the fullest, the meaning and purpose are not important to me.
You just defined your purpose as finding enjoyment. The meaning is why enjoyment matters to you.
I’ve been in different for most of my life and didn’t care about much. Through that indifference I was able to find something to care about. I’ve been able to pick up illustration and decided to create children’s books. Am I rich, not at all, not even close. But I am fulfilled, it gives me meaning, enough to continue to push forward. Best of luck to you finding your why.
Spoken like a true simpleton
I have studied ancient vedic astrology which is based on karma and reincarnation-it gives my life a lot of meaning. In a lifetime you will probably experience a seven year period of karmic correction (Ketu dasha)-every spiritually minded person hopes to go through one of these periods despite it being the most challenging time. Through this understanding of spiritual science (science of light), astrology guides us naturally to do the right thing to protect our future and future lives. It has taught me this point more so than Christianity where people may be tempted to make selfish 'mistakes' in the thought that forgiveness for error can be granted, and not improve their lives properly. It helps me to reflect on life and strive for the most positive symbolic meanings of periods of time eg. Saturn could mean depression or, your choice- hard work, discipline and success through perseverance. Or Mars- anger and hatred ,or getting fit and challenging yourself physically
What’re your thoughts on the caste system? - more specifically, the idea that the social standing you’re born into is a manifestation of your karma. Ie untouchable, Brahmin etc
It's a necessary and healthy systemic shift for every society. Doing good not because you are afraid of consequences or because some book told you so, but because you feel this is the right way. There is no guidance and it makes it harder, and it's normal.
A human is not a microwave and does not come with a manual.
I studied philosophy at University and really loved that. My final work was about Nietzsche’s view towards the Greek Tragedy. My second year at University I had Medieval Philosophers… at that time I forced an approach to the Church and enjoyed, some year later I left. What I can say is my time close to Christian Religion built something important that I praise.
Ya theres literature in theology even if you don't believe in its metaphysical.
@@niftyskates85 I do believe
Zen philosopher Alan Watts said in an interview back in 1970 saying “ there won’t be an America in the year 2000 with the rate we’re going it’ll be a baron eroded country of desert.” And I can see this becoming more and more prevalent as we go forward with the decline of religion and most of us wanting instant gratification. and exposed to too much news too much of everything really no wonder we have stress and anxiety more prevalent in this stage.
To live is to suffer but to survive is to find purpose for that suffering
then "suffer" must mean "to fart", otherwise how to live meant to suffer.
That makes absolutely no sense. Another sheepdip wannabe philosophizer with nonsense quips.
If life is suffering then I don't want it
I think humanity becoming a spacefaring civilization is one way to bring back purpose.
I do not subscribe to organized religion as I believe it is contributing to Godlessness, but I was living on the streets homeless for 8 years and grew up in a horribly abusive family and I know I wouldn't be where I am today without the Lord. He literally sent angels to save my life. I follow the gospel of Jesus Christ. My life was vastly improved when I accepted the Lord and was baptized by an ex-felon-turned pastor. Is my life perfect? No. But I have finally felt true happiness and for the first time in my life I like myself and I have hope and contentment and I owe it all to trusting in the Lord. Don't give up. Keep fighting the good fight. ✝️❤️
When my parents brought me to church ever week, I realized that sitting there for an hour didn't accomplish a damn thing. Go help someone who is less fortunate than you. Oh, I think that’s what Jesus was trying to tell us..
People don't have purpose today, but you know what is scary ? That far right or far left which give them feel of purpose is on rise ... tough times awaits us ..
I’m an atheist and don’t need religion to be a good person. What has been done in the name of “belief”? The slaughter of tens of millions. Religion is necessary…;for the weak minded. For the rest of us, we will keep seeking meaning in a post religious world..
You're a narcissistic clown 😂
I think it's very important in these discussions to contrast personal meaning and grand (or universal) meaning. Also, we need to get over the idea that meaning is an absolute necessity to live life.
The church gave us grand meaning. Yes, it was a cohesive force, but I think people have figured out that much of it was thought up by mortal men whose vision really isn't any better than your own. I remember when I was young there were people at church who claimed they knew the grand meaning, and that I could find it too, but after much mental wrestling, at 64, I now think both were lies. I'm relieved to let the grand meaning be the concern of whatever grand power is out there.
Personal meaning is something you build yourself, and no one cares about it besides yourself and your close friends. You're one of billions. You're likely NOT going to share meaning with a rice farmer on the other side of the globe. Personal meaning is a pre-fabricated ideal equation that you try to cram yourself into. Sometimes the equation is selfless and noble. Oftentimes it is vain. While it can propel one through life, I think for many it is a straightjacket. To always be clawing for meaning is a self-centered pursuit-- an act that in itself leads to perpetual dissatisfaction. People who let go and remain fluid are often happier.
There isn't a grand meaning, but meaning certainly is important. Life is hell a lot of the time. If your aim is to just be "happy" then you are going to be disappointed a lot of the time. Slaving away 9-5 five days a week, cleaning, paying taxes, shopping for mundane things. If you can find some sort of meaning that makes the inevitable suffering and mundanity of being worth bearing, you will have a better life.
❤ your comment reminded me of a part in the Great Divorce by CS Lewis. I just found it - chapter 5. If you've never read the book I highly recommend it.
@@the.seagull.35 Thanks, will look into it.
@@thzzzt ❤ I promise you I have good intentions
This is a really good video. Thanks.
What I got out of it is that everyone’s searching for their own meaning and trying to find an answer. But even not having one isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
"Thou shalt be judged by thy faith but by thy actions"
In my opinion as an agnostic, the best view to have about religion regardless of which one you believe in or stop believing in for that matter.
The world may be a mess, but I'm doing fine.
I think that if the majority of people can move their need for meaning into the phrase 'the world should always be a better place because a man has lived' we can make this work. If we can find our divine in the earth beneath our feet and our fellow human beings and make our purpose serving and nurturing all those around us then we can make this world a better place.
Humans need to be on the same page. We all need a common goal. We have the resources to try to alleviate human suffering and promote creativity and innovation. I don't see why that isn't our goal.
@@michaels_madnessBecause, you can’t have billionaires controlling 99% of the wealth that’s why it’s not “our” priority.
"Does humanity have a future without God?"
No. Humans will invent something else to worship.
Yeah now they worship the idea of what they wish they were but no one else agrees so fallacies have been IMPOSED BY LAW to use neo pronouns 🤯🤡
I live in the most religious country mentioned earlier
I feel that my country is growing into a very messy country, humanity is judged by religious costumes, sexual harassment occurs in many places, especially in religious-based schools
and everyone blames each other because their religion is different
politically it is even filled with religious identity politics, if you don't vote for one of the parties it means you are leaving the majority religion
and to this day the arguments created by the biggest religious and political elites to clash society through religion are still happening today
and my country is still the third most impolite country in the world (on social media cyberworld)
Violence and murder due to religious differences still occur
public officials made it difficult to build places of worship other than mosques
Changing the religion column apart from changing to Islam is also made difficult by the state
intimidation of Muslims against religious minorities appears to be supported by the government
Technology and social media create this sense of "ego" and religion helps with humility and breaking of the ego. Mental health issues are at record levels since technology has consumed human lives. So I think without some sort of faith people will continue to be lost.
Personally, I think people should stop talking about the "End of Time." This is something created by Man. Folks think it's the end because of floods, wars , and major tragedies around the world. Something that has been going on since humans have occupied the Earth.
My Grandfather always said, "The End of the World is the day you die." 😉
In the West - politics has replaced religion.
The flock did not leave the church. The church left the flock.
Some things have been lost by the decline of religion, but in my view, my more has been gained. Feynman said it best: "I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can be questioned."
Fortunately, enough people have avoided the trap of passive pleasures depicted in Nietzsche's Last Man in favor of the hopeful exertion of their wills to improve their lives, thereby benefiting all of us.
No they didn’t avoid those passive pleasures, they keep falling back into them and many don’t make it out at all. Religion is almost a sure fire way out every time, unlike politics or philosophy, based on the concepts of men which are not perfect because men are imperfect.
I'm in my mid 50s, and was raised as Christian- not by family, but by society: daily hymns at junior school (the head master sang in the church choir). As a teen, some friends and I joined the same choir- to have something to put on future CVs....we practiced twice a week, sang at weddings, and 2 or 3 services on a Sunday ( we got a small payment). As a choir we had annual outings, and concerts in other Cathedrals. It was less about "god" more about beautiful music and a social circle. Most of the seniors would have been war veterans - so I guess where 1 in 8 of their peers would have died, singing psalms and hymns, and listening to gospels would have provided comfort. I don't think that the church is like that anymore.....
I found meaning and values in a post religious world by studying and practicing Epicurean philosophy and studying Lucretius. Epicurus teaches the most complete non-supernatural system of ethics and helps people to build happy lives, practicing friendship, empirical thinking, and philosophy. His ethics involve the social contract and the Kyriai Doxai (his forty Principal Doctrines). Also study Nietzsche and others, but the Epicureans are a good foundation for a good life.
"Our treasure lies in the beehive of our knowledge. We are perpetually on the way thither, being by nature winged insects and honey gatherers of the mind.*
Friedrich Nietzsche
Too bad Nietzsche couldn’t explain it as clearly as you can.
I'm skeptical about the concept of meaning (perhaps it's a fault in my comprehension). I think the desire for meaning is problematic, akin to the desire for material things, when we confuse emotional payoff with the object. I think the quest for inner peace is a better pursuit than the quest for meaning. I think people increasingly use secular versions of religions to achieve this, especially wrt buddhism and taoism. Philosophy, especially ancient philosophy, which is more like self-help, also.
I note you don't mention religion's role in almost all wars, in clouding political debate and in cementing class divides in society.
The idea that we're heading for a dark future because we don't have religion is just ridiculous imo.
I was raised Christian but stopped beleiving as I grew older because it seems like fairytales to me. I felt lost in life for quite a while, especially with all the cruelty in the world. I came to the conclusion that the state of nature is cruel, and I would define my life by resisting that cruelty. Now I work as a care worker and do my best to improve people's lives, which makes me happy and gives my life meaning. I think you can find meaning in anything really, you just need to work out what kind of person you are and then structure your life around who you are, what you are good at, and what brings you happiness. Whatever it is needs to involve both struggle and rest though, as periods of rest gain greater meaning and joy when they come after periods of struggle e.g. hard work.
I went 10 years suffering after quitting benzos suddenly and getting 'benzo injury protacted withdrawal' but i am a believer and Jesus strength helped me going through, not only that one day i started screaming at Him to heal me 'Heal me i believe you can do it' and i felt relief, this happened like 10 times. I don't care if no one believes me, i am not ashamed of my God because when life brings heat, everyone abandons you or can't really help you, but he has your back if you are his child.
I've given up on religion...but I love and believe in the creator of the universe, and his beautiful vision for the phenomenon: Life
Coincidence at its peak!!!!!
I just finished listening to Nietzsche's the genealogy of morals!!!!
Browsing YT for similar content couldn't have came any better time!!!
That's my favorite, and the first one I read. Though I'm not sure I totally even buy that one, I diffinately don't feel the rest holds up. Schopenhauer makes way more sense to me, and I wish I'd read him first.
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@@FirstmaninRome Arthur Schopenhauer is like the opposite ideology right!?
I'm going to try his works next
Nietzsche was trying to Be schopenhauer and then trying to come up with something, anything new to go beyond him, but I think largely failing. Schopenhauer is Real pessimist, where as Nietzsche wanted us to find new values of own manufacture, which I think is dumb, and lets keep in mind the man went crazy Trying....@@sajiththalasseriparambil5676
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Fantastic video, probably very accurate! Thank u
One of your best. Thank you.
I appreciate all your content and it makes me stay grounded. Will be coming back for more!
I was born in the 1930s. I have not seen much change in people. Advances in science has put religion in the background.
I have found meaning through my family and friends. The connective bonds I have with my husband, children, my in laws and my friends have given me purpose and strength to get through the hard times and overcome challengers. Maybe that’s what religion provided for so many years, a community that someone could be apart of that gave them meaning, security and a why to live. I became an atheist when I was 19 and fell straight into the abyss. Now at 39 I would call myself a pantheist in the Spinoza sense or maybe the Stoic sense. I live according to nature, for me that means being a good mother to my children, getting them ready for life and to live on their own as good people when they become adults. Being a good wife to my husband, challenging him and him challenging me to become a better person.
A wonderfully insightful and honest commentary. Thanks very much. I've found it really helpful.
1. AI will take our jobs.
2. Without the need to work, people will channel their motivations into other things.
3. People will return to community life, and there they will acquire a strong tribal identity.
It seems easy for people to believe in a broader identity that gives meaning to their lives. We just have to provide the conditions for it. Take football teams, for example. People really believe them. The woke movement, and before it, communism, also provide similar things.
Everything we do is out fear. If everyone truly knew what everyone was thinking then no one would have any friends
You can be very religious and yet (correctly) believe that assuming the bible is indeed from god, it's not meant to be taken literally, but the stories and events are meant to teach us lessons, we are expected to figure out for ourselves with the brains that religious people believe god gave us
The religion I believed has accompanied me for more than forty years. All the way, religion acts as a guide line in my life. But one day, I found that there is a huge gap between people and the church in viewing, understanding, and handling the matters around us. For the time being, I don’t think the gap could fully be bridged.
I go the cheesy route of trying to create my own meaning. I try to be a decent person but I also recognize that's simply a harder way to live. Living in general isn't easy so I try to make it bare able maybe even fun for just a little bit longer.
This so true that is why you have many problems in modern society, people are living for pleasure and not having a family leading to all destruction
Unfortunately humans are the destruction. We don't live in harmony with our environment.
Unfortunately humans are the destruction. We don't live in harmony with our environment.
Unfortunately humans are the destruction. We don't live in harmony with our environment.
Unfortunately humans are the destruction. We don't live in harmony with our environment.
Unfortunately humans are the destruction. We don't live in harmony with our environment.
People can find meaning in life through communal bonds, shared experiences, and the pursuit of social justice. Without relying on a belief in God, human connection, solidarity, and working together to create a more equitable and just society is what would be most important.
For me, meaning in life is derived from actively participating in efforts to eradicate oppression , promote mutual aid, and create a sense of community. I see fulfillment in contributing to the well-being of others and advocating for social change.
Problem is it's not possible to create a world of peace and solidarity through political activism.
@@dharmaqueen7877 Transformative change can be achieved through direct action, grassroots organizing, and collective efforts to challenge existing power structures and injustices. While activist will obviously face challenges and resistance, it's very possible for sustained and widespread activism to contribute to the creation of a better world
@@MarxistMomentum Trying to change the world puts you at odds with it because it requires interfereing in the business of others, not just your own. It works the same way whether coming from religious believers or secularists.
@@dharmaqueen7877 I don't mind being at odds with the world if it's evil, and I don't mind interfering in the business of others if that business is harmful to other living creatures and the planet.
@Anarcat - I am glad readers are engaging with you respectfully. My belief is that you assume an innate goodness in people. This must not go unchallenged. You may be at risk of becoming a martyr, an enabler of bad behaviour or an authoritarian (suppressing freedom) - just three examples of failure - if you do so. I see people as inherently fallen with some irredeemably so. Institutions and freedom to create them exist to control people with shared values. There are significantly fewer shared values today and therefore both more ineffective institutions and disconnected people. I believe there are more people sufficiently disillusioned with the existing state of things to let it fall apart. I also don't beileve your group is sufficiently strong in itself to keep society together or create a new one.
A true civilization isn't separated by borders or in competition with anyone or thing, nor does it require a military.
Civilization is everyone working together to build and create by choice and love without the need of currency as a means of encouragement.
The analysis seems right to me. Religion is what can bring people together and orient them when they're lost in life. I'm from a 'religious' country: Brasil. Here nihilism is going rampant, but the older generation, even if aren't religious, do not disrespect religious, bcuz of their parents back then, but the newer generation is close to europe in this aspect.
I can't see a substitute for religion. The idea of the omnipresent observator seems essencial to build any kind of moral or self-conduct, you can only analyse your bad actions if you have a frame of reference from where you can extract "what is a right behaviour" and compare it. I turned myself to catholicism recently, and even it was harsh at the beginning, now things are making sense and got easy to believe, and once here, you realize the hell world of self improvments you have to do till the end of life. What sucks is when you lose faith, or even racionally comprehending god's action, you don't have that willing to pray properly. The community isn't so supportive. Even if they're trying to develop Virtues, the rule it to be completely immersed in the world and occasionally be humble, charitable ...
I've been thinking about it and my conclusion is: You must center god as a pilar of your life, bcuz if you don't do that, u'll center it in other things: money, beauty, pleasure, and that will inevitably corrupt your morals and then... society doesn't have a common ground to discuss what is right anymore.
For someone who cares for money, you worth nothing if u're not rich. For someone who cares for beauty, a ugly and unnatractive person's life shouldn't be considered as relevant as a beauty one. Who knows future consequences of that: "--Who we gonna save?" "--Only the hot chicks worth it"
And the case of pleasure, it is the worst. If pleasure can be seen as holy, maybe someone's pleasure of having sex with kids should be accepted. Who knows what the disturbed vision of judges who put pleasure as the center of life would do? We already see that. Yesterday in my city, a case where a man of 20 and a girl of 12 had sex and she got pregnant was judged as ok by the court, even if the mother was 100% against it and denounced it.
Discussion can enter here, yes. But it is not about what is right anymore, bcuz there isn't right when everyones vision is corrupted.
I thing I would like to add is about your comment on: We still advancing without religion, Netherlands thrive.
Well, Christianity never aimed to advance humanity in things like economy, but it was the ground for it. But in therms of self knowing, nothing in modern world helps us to get ot know ourselves, to recognize our own messes and repair it actively. (~maybe Stoicism with their Egoistic Truism approches that, but that's not modern), so if you're kinda ruining the common ground for people to think. It will be inevitable that sooner or later this order will fall. In some sense, the rising of ditactorial democracies, as here in Brasil, may serve us as an example of the future. If nobody agrees in anything, we're gonna impose our views and fuck what they think.
One does not necessarily have to be religious to have morals. Think of the stoic virtues wisdom justice, temperance and courage. These can also hold society together.
Without god people can simply reject the so called 'pro social values' with impunity.
@@JoBlakeLisbon people reject God’s laws with impunity too. It depends on the individual.
You’ve heard? Civilization is for the last man ; )
walk softly, carry a big stick. I'm just passing through !
Theodore Roosevelt Jr.
I chose the old Norse ways 6 years ago. It helped me to endure having to divorce my wife. I found it and chose it after discovering my Ancestors came to America from Norway. Learning more about my Scandinavian roots their beliefs made more sense to me and felt more right.
Logic and empiricism prove him correct. Seems sort of fundamental is hindsight.
The world was always a mess. In fact, it used to be much worse !
Agreed! When people tell me that 'the end is near' or 'the prophecies are being fulfilled every day', I just roll my eyes and say have you ever heard of the Black Plague or burning 'witches' at the stake or how children were forced to work in coal mines? I could go on, but you get the idea.
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On a global scale, right now (even with the crazy inflation and social media religion) is probably the best time ever in history to be alive.
I’m not a religious person but I think it has its values for those who seek it and people shouldn’t be critical to whose who seek it. Humans need a belief system. If it doesn’t exist, other forms begin to replace it such as leftism, Marxism, materialism, etc. I think one can find moral values from other sources that are not only religion. I read a lot of philosophy so I learn a lot of values from individuals such as Marcus Aurelius, Nietzsche, Aristotle, camus, etc. I find these help me and provide with a compass to navigate life. It’s not perfect but it works for me. If one doesn’t have a strong set of values regardless of what it is, I leads to hedonism and nihilism which isn’t good.
Real eyes realize real lies, means nothing to a society deep asleep behind the wheel of a metal can roaring off of a hilltop into an endless abyss..
I dont understand how you could read On The Geneaology of Morals and believe Nietzche lamented the collapse of religion. He hated religion. He knew that humanity had morals built in to them - you don't need a supernatural being to be moral.
It’s stupid to think that purpose can only be achieved through the Christian church.
The meaning of life is to give life a meaning
So have we seen how well we are really structured as a society.
I do understand the power and benefit of religion, however, one can be very happy, fulfilled, and good morally without subscribing to theistic beliefs.
You missed the mark several times with this video, but I do agree with you & Nietzsche that religion is basically our least bad option, with nothing to realistically replace it with creating chaos & evil.
Atheism doesn't work because, despite its logical counter-points against religion's preached beliefs and provenly absurd lies, often in favor of logic, science & reasoning, atheism itself offers no moral compass and no incentive to have & maintain morals and therefore order.
Nihilism is just a complete disregard of everything moral or even logical at times in favor of one's own preferred gratification, regardless of whether or not it negatively affects societal order, other's well being, karma (if you will), etc.
Religion has its flaws like religious wars, rape, encouraging marriage despite divorce court scams & breaking up families, sexual prude-ness, this weird & wrong phenomenon to unite with everyone no matter how evil, normalizing blindly believing what one is told even over science & proven fact, etc.
But religion and religious people also have undeniably brought much order, civility, and happiness for millenniums probably more than anything else like free societies such as the USA, conservatism, charities, the end of slavery, etc.
Until humanity comes up with something better or compareably effective, religion is most likely here to stay, for better for worse.
The religious could also get rid of what provenly does not work (marriage, automatic unifying with anyone, etc.) or improve upon things that only partly work (not so weird & boring payers, etc.).
Nietzsche was correct indeed. People have to find their own purpose in life, but I hear that so many are without it at the moment. "Figuring things out for yourself is the only freedom anyone really has. Use that freedom. Make up your own mind...". Society nowadays doesn't make it easy though, and I truly feel for the youths out there trying to find identity in such a shit show.
Slightly ironic you use a quote from a Hollywood hypnosis production of a military man. Good film though.
I reckon there is a correlation with lack of identity and the ability of the youth to see the night sky unencumbered. When you can see the full night sky, you remember.
@@shrunkensimon thats so well said!
Finding my own way of living, that kind of freedom is the scary thing. But I must try
Freedom means there are unforseen consequences that comes with freedom
In this regard Nietzsche was correct. I agree
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With purified intent & bravery, I'd say the consequences will likely be favorable. All the best on your journey.
Nietzsche was hopeful, man.
The point was not the catastrophe, which he saw as a necessary danger.
The point was overcoming nihilism by finding a source of creativity and valuation within oneself.
I was born in a Muslim family and society. I used to pray 5 times a day, reading Quran almost everyday, reading Islamic books since my childhood. And while doing that I wasn't convinced. I read a lot of things that made me questioned why is that? How? It's not logic?
But I was scared to ask these questions to elder people.
So in 14 y.o, I started reading books about history, Arab people before Islam, Mohammed's life, also books about other religions, philosophy, science ect... I also followed Twitter accounts that criticize Islam and Christianity ect. After doing that for 4 years, I ended up leaving Islam and not believing in any religion.
And I think that made me a rational objective person, the hate in my heart had disappear. Like I was raised that my religion is the only right one and everyone else will go to hell. So i kinda hated christians and thought that they're stupid also Hindu and ahh our greatest enemy Jews people. So now I don't hate anyone. I think everyone is right and wrong at the same time. I also think that no one have the definitive truth.
I think that I become smarter like I used to believe any information without thinking.
About my morals, I become much more kinder tbh, because helping people makes me happy, I don't do it because God said so, but because I feel so. I hurt no one. And I become a much more opened person.
I think that religion is a confort zone for many people. They're scared to think, and they will ask their God for help. It helps them relax. And nothing wrong with that. But religious people also need to create their own path to think.
My morals get influenced by many philosophers especially Epicurus and Buddha. And my life become less stress. There's no Jin wants to hurt me, and I don't have to blame evil for my mistakes, I blame myself.
The problem of people leaving religions is that they follow short happiness. If people follow philosophy and science, I will be less violence and hate. Even religion makes you hate other people and selfish. Back in the history the main reason of wars was religion
Congratulations, and thanks for sharing your story of growth.
You reacted in the best possible way, but others going through the same process could indeed choose a path of selfishness, greed, materialistic nihilism, etc. with the same journey. No easy answers all around.
@@MVProfits yeah, but sometimes I be like I wish I didn't know all this stuff. Like my mind is tired of that. At least religious people live a simple life and have someone they go to when they feel sad. Not like us.
You are a treasure for humanity. This is the path people should follow to obtain peace.
@@llandolci yep, that's true as well. I'm agnostic you might say, IDK what is the afterlife or if there is any. But in THIS life, religious people have a sense of certainty and feel a power that is helpful for a lot of them, for sure. A lot less doubts overall - which helps a lot in some cases, and can be a prison in a few other cases. I get what you're saying.
Einstein summed up religion quite well:
If people are good because they fear eternal punishment, and hope for eternal reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Is it wrong to believe that we humans are a sorry lot? Humans need to be humble to admit this. Don't we need more humility in society?
Not wrong at all. It's the beginning.@@careydepass130
Most people only help others out of pity. But the problem is they help them because they dont like feeling pity and in doing so also views them as weaker and inferior. People should help others because they respect them and see them as equals not because they feel bad.
Einstein was an asshole himself so what’s your point
To be fair though, that’s pretty much how we work in every other aspect too, so I don’t understand why it’s condemnable when it comes to religion.
We’re raised on reward and punishment, it continues in the education system and doesn’t stop at the workplace either. Additionally I would argue a lot of laws are the only reason people don’t do certain things. It’s simply how we work.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair.”
― Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities
The Yin and Yang.
After my divorce 2 years ago- I believed my life as a father was over way to short. But my two teenage sons, that live with me 100% of the time… my life as a single father has been amazing. My focus is getting the youngest one finished with high school. My oldest is in mechanic trade school. He has always loved working on cars.
❤️🙏🏾
Hope your family stay ever strong and together.
According to PEW Research Center 85% of parents find the greatest sense of meaning, by a Long shot, in their Children. Other studies show that the more children a woman has, the lower her chance of suicide. This all makes sense from an evolutionary perspective, everything we are today we evolved to be because it helped our children survive, and our infants take an enormous amount of work to keep alive for a longer time than any other species! And it would have been even harder in pre-historic times. If our pre-historic ancestors didn't get positive feelings out of supporting and raising their children, they wouldn't have put the work in and we would have died out. We can now avoid the work required through contraceptives and abortions without realizing it's actually what we need.
Respect❤
Good luck on his mechanic journey through
I was outside of organized religion for a long time. Searching for answers led me into Eastern Orthodoxy, and I am very happy here.
Eastern Orthodoxy is definitely the least contaminated by secular ideology from all Christian denominations.
Even as a child, when I lacked for nothing, I wanted to die : I wanted to surrender because I saw no sense in struggling. I felt that nothing would be proved, substantiated, added or subtracted by continuing an existence which I had not asked for.
- Henry Miller
“I don't believe in God. Can you understand that? Look around you man. Cant you see? The clamor and din of those in torment has to be the sound most pleasing to his ear. And I loathe these discussions. The argument of the village atheist whose single passion is to revile endlessly that which he denies the existence of in the first place. Your fellowship is a fellowship of pain and nothing more. And if that pain were actually collective instead of simply reiterative then the sheer weight of it would drag the world from the walls of the universe and send it crashing and burning through whatever night it might yet be capable of engendering until it was not even ash. And justice? Brotherhood? Eternal life? Good god, man. Show me a religion that prepares one for death. For nothingness. There's a church I might enter. Yours prepares one only for more life. For dreams and illusions and lies. If you could banish the fear of death from men's hearts they wouldnt live a day. Who would want this nightmare if not for fear of the next? The shadow of the axe hangs over every joy. Every road ends in death. Or worse. Every friendship. Every love. Torment, betrayal, loss, suffering, pain, age, indignity, and hideous lingering illness. All with a single conclusion. For you and for every one and everything that you have chosen to care for. There's the true brotherhood. The true fellowship. And everyone is a member for life. You tell me that my brother is my salvation? My salvation? Well then damn him. Damn him in every shape and form and guise. Do I see myself in him? Yes. I do. And what I see sickens me. Do you understand me? Can you understand me?”
― Cormac McCarthy, The Sunset Limited
Nothing can better assure you to live than a real possibility to die. Here in Ukraine we live every day with a joy being under attacks so.
Lose ur life a few times and then know how sweet life is. ❤ To me one breathe is worth it. There is only one person who can be me. So I do me with great humility. One chance to have one breathe.
It seems that he needed to get a job or do something productive. He was probably some bored, priviledged westerner with too much time on His hands! Some bohemian i.diot!
However it is noteworthy that humans have shown God the door in every aspect of life but then wonder all incredulously 'where He is' whenever a calamity happens. Apparently we think He should still loiter around even after being expelled -- just in case. It also shows we mere mortals still retain an inherent sense of right and wrong -- while simultaneously still attempting to believe that there's absolutely no Divine intelligence to attribute or it to, or from which it naturally comes. We're an odd, rebellious bunch, aren't we?
The movie Naked (1993) described perfectly what Nietzsche feared. I’d argue it was always like this, but internet/social media has completely nuked people’s minds to mush.
Mush is easier to mould to your will
That, certainly - but let's not forget the 72 shots of 16 different vaccines by the age of 18, and the incessant drugging of our children, adults, and seniors.
@@BenYamunma or to the will of the ruling class, which is more probable.
That movie is amazing. I seen it late at night many years ago on TV and it blew me away. Such a raw and striking film.
also the movie "Idiocracy" with Owen Wilson - very funny, and also HORRIFIC.
We live such empty lives it’s insane. We have everything that u need for survival yet we lost the most important parts of life: purpose, meaning, harmony, connecting. As long as this generation starts living differently as there parents thought them (money,house,work,school)we are just gonna see more and more pain.
Yeah, cause history shows that everything was So harmonious back then. People used to constantly be At war, killing eachother in the most gruesone ways, it was Even worse than today. We are living in the most peaceful era of humanity.
@@ai-no3ibJust because the wars aren't raging in our backyards doesn't mean they have stopped. People in first world countries like the US all too often take for granted peace manufactured through proxy manipulation.
I highly doubt those living in the Middle East would consider this their most peaceful era--probably quite the opposite.
@@goldenlizard92 Tell that to the people of the middle ages Who fought in barbaric wars, died of horrific diseases, died from a tooth infection, in childbirth, from the plague, smallpox, worked hard Agricultural jobs to survive, had no indoor toilet, shower or running water and bathed once a year. The kings took their money, there was pillaging, theft, prostituting, murder, the rich took enslaved the poor, Even the church forced people to Pay good money because it was a very powerful and corrupt institution! God and religion has nothing to do with the downfall of men! I’m agnostic and I still have a set of moral values, I don’t go around hurting other people, I still do good deeds because I feel like doing them! And btw, the middle East is stuck in the middle ages fighting religious wars BECAUSE of religion, before islam, that area was the cradle of civilization!
I'm quite old now and in Finland all through my life religion has not played any part of my life, or the lives of the people I know.
Still nobody in my early years complained about the lack of purpose or meaning. This anxiety has come in the last couple of decades, and particularly in the last decade and it's all because of the smart phone, not the lack of religion.
We have started to live our lives online, and many people who know of nothing else, feel sick because of it. That's because they don't know how it was before, they only know the artificial world of the fast and portable internet.
They try to fit their human instincts, needs and wants to work in this digital realm, but they naturally fail in it, because human interactions are not supposed to be just short readable messages or videos, but the actual presence of other people in a physical space.
This is why the younger people feel that "the world" is an awful place, as the only world they have ever known is a highly lonely, artificial and commercial one, facilitated by big corporations like Instagram, X, TikTok RUclips and the like.
I see these kinds of videos all the time now, videos which yearn for religion to make a comeback, but the lack of religion is NOT the problem. The problem is that people have opted out of all natural communities and embraced artificial and superficial ones in the name of short term comfort. I repeat; in my childhood and younger years nobody had any "existential crisis" or thought that life is without purpose or meaning whatsoever. People may have had their individual hardships, but there was no big sentiment that "the whole world is an awful, anxiety inducing dystopia". That all came along with portable high speed internet, and people preferring it's comfort over actual interactions.
There's still lots and lots people could do which would enrich their lives exponentially, but they just choose not to, say it's impossible and yearn for something like religion to come back and hand them meaning.
@@ai-no3ibyes, we're all aware the modern day is safer than the past. Are we actually better off for it? That's the issue
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful." - Seneca
so true.
Bearing in mind that he was probably pagan and he served Nero.
In how true that really indeed is...
It's useful to everyone that wants to exist in a civil society 🤡
Religion yes, but most fools doesn't separate god and religion. The belief in god, has not much to do with religion. Wise men, know god and have no use for religion.
Very, VERY sceptical that things will become better in the future..
Far too many things all around are changing, and certainly not for the best..
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I'am not really wishing for anything.
Just stating cold hard facts.
P.S. to experienced, to old, to realistic to believe in romanticism like "the kingdom is within you". Just been around the block, and seen far far too much to hold stock in that..
Been around longer than you, obvoiusly...
Very well then, Peace to you right back...
Even when I did believe in God I still went by "would I do this if no one was watching" on many occasions. I find this question particularly powerful to point out the truth of someone's heart. If someone, despite believing in some higher responsibility, tells you they would go commit crimes and atrocities, do not trust them in critical or desperate situations. Afterall, if they can betray a God, how much more will they betray you.
Good point. I believe someone once said "If a person "needs" God to be Good/Moral then they are not! They are only monster on a leash.
True. This means that person has never created their own conscience and questions outside of religion.
Alright then. You've got quite a bit of explaining to do as to how you came to be typing out that message on a computer keyboard friend.
@@AndrewChristiansen-rx4mxI’m that monster. I don’t have a leash.
@@AndrewChristiansen-rx4mx he didn’t imply that - at all . What he said was that someone who claims to be an avid believer in a higher power yet still goes and commits crimes and atrocities , even in the face of their God , is surely someone not to be trusted. The person here demonstrates that although they still need God , and even in the face of God , they still commit wrong. So never did their need of God translate into instilling the righteous code of conduct that others would normally expect- or require - from this person. Here his need of God never at all assisted this individual to do the right thing to begin with. Thus his need of God here for this one individual person never automatically equated to being good or moral that others would normally expect.
However that much being said and despite this it doesn’t mean that everyone who needs God would still do wrong or contradict their faith. So perhaps they DO IN FACT need him for that guidance when they do right. Then also the vice versa is true , as it doesn’t mean that people who don’t need God would always necessarily do the wrong thing either if they never had God as their compass . You’re looking at it incorrectly . Because some still DO while others don’t - it all depends on the person . Now as far as how many not needing God to still do the right thing while going into the future ? Well , only time will tell , because this phenomenon is still very recent.
Lets be honest. The older generation will always call the NEW generation "the problem with the world"
Yeah… blame the problems you created on your children…
Also, the younger generations will never stop blaming their elders. There is enough stupidity to go around so no need to look for external scapegoats.
@@dharmaqueen7877 you're saying that no one is to blame for the problems in this world. basically only the very own individuals fault, anything else are external scapegoats. I'd rather focus on the self reflecting, numb emotion which argues that the perceived awareness of the lack of sustainability induced by the desire to win and be above any idiot, fogged with media, which is by the way the main culprit of blaming young people (satisfaction in indulgence by older readers in pleasing themselves) in the past vs. today. Naming it the same is insane.
Because they remember when life wasn't a cesspool 🤡
@@kip4223I believe he’s stating quite the opposite, which I tend to agree. The younger generations haven’t fixed it, though some effort is happening. We let ourselves be divided on other issues rather than solving the issues that are most important, meanwhile the older generations created the problem and only want to escape responsibility as they continue towing the same things, and they teach their children to be the same
"He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how" - The man covered in this video
Indeed, if you are unable to make decisions for yourself, they will be made for you, often against your own interest and to the detriment of your character.
I love God, trying to do good, help others and live according to God's laws. I am looking forward to be with Him forever ❤️ To me that gives me most meaningful life!
I know of no better life purpose than to perish in attempting the great and impossible.
-Friedrich Nietzche
Should I assume he died attempting the impossible? If not, well talk is cheap.
@@dharmaqueen7877Nietzsche had a mental breakdown in 1889 and spent the last 11 years of his life in the care of an asylum and his family, so, no, he never really had a chance to do that
@@gregbors8364Are his books not a product of his drive to attempt great things?
@@macdonald2k I’m not criticizing Nietzsche or his works. I simply made a specific reply to another commenter who seemed curious about the manner of his death
@@gregbors8364 The irony of that would never be lost on me.
I find meaning through producing art. And 3 years ago, I couldn't even draw. At all; like, *at all.* I read a few books on drawing and now I have progressed into figure drawing! It's like Schopenhauer (sp) said...the only way to happiness is an appreciation for the arts and letters. Ive heard that repeated so many times, and I now firmly believe it.
Very cool! Good for you! 🙌🏽 ❤
I'm in a similar camp as you. It's also nice to have a long-term project to work towards, at least for me.
The world has always been a mess.
The spirit of truth happened at Pentecost, but yeah, this planet is a f**king mess.
Sure, but now we have distanced ourselves from nature, never ever have we been so far away from nature
Everything is, and feels to me, as fake.
The whole equality idea and movement together and science.
People only look for comfort and are interested in innovation and efficiency.
Nobody seems to have any sense of accountability anymore
We are not going to get away with this...
Everybody keeps saying that but I remember what the world was like 20 years ago everything was more stable and people had more trust in each other but today nobody gives a shit about anything except consumption so I don't believe you
@@shanemcentee9171 I confirm
@@shanemcentee9171 it's easier to criticize the present than it is the criticize the past nobody lives in.
I think it's romanticizing a past we were not part of. A wish for good old days to return to, more so than returning to anything actually belonging to the past. To think life was "better" when we were more religious means hope that it could be better now. I think more likely is that life was always filled with suffering, people were always wicked and self serving, and society was always geared towards profiting and elevating a select few. What religion gave us was a soothing lie we could tell ourselves about the reality of existence, and without that lie we can't force ourselves to endure the way we used to.
This is an old and tired point, and it so oversimplifies the complex reality we have always existed in that it's laughable to think it means anything. So is your understanding of Nietzsche, who's been used more than any other philosopher by propagandists over the past century to further points he was in staunch opposition to. Shameless or lazy. Harmfully ignorant either way.
I was born and raised in a catholic familly and have been a believer for 30 years, after becoming an agnostic and subsequently a declared atheist I finally turned to philosophy and psychology to rule my life.
I mostly study Stoicism as I can see many logical thoughts to rule a man's life without the necessity to respond to a deity or being subdued by an institution; I still respect Christianity and religions in general though, because they also provide the same teachings as Stoicism, for a better day-to-day life.
Great video. I think it’s difficult to really know the full increases of depression and related mental health issues. Over the last few decades the DSM (manual for identifying a mental health diagnosis) has included more and more behaviours to be classified under a mental health diagnosis. Therefore, your chances of being diagnosed with depression or other mental health needs has dramatically increased. This is compounded by the hegemonic role of the pharmaceutical industry who have a clear vested interest in swelling their customer base. What was once seen as a normal reactions to difficult social issues may now be more readily classified as something pathological. I not arguing that depression is not on the increase, although its reasons are complex.
Agree I think many different factors play into the spike in depression. It really cannot help that our society currently rewards victimhood though. I’m now seeing middle class men striving for victimhood - that’s a sure fire path to unhappiness
You are shining a light on what surrounds us. It’s time to push through the deep corruption.
We are very unhealthy and the pharmaceutical industry thrives on that 💯💯!!!
If we learned how to properly take care of ourselves both physically and mentally as well as emotionally (they are all connected) we wouldn't feel the need to give in and take pills.
Sometimes you have to get to the source of the problem yourself because it's not always something a doctor is willing to do.. Ask yourself questions and do some personal investigating; is it something that you may feel uncomfortable facing emotionally.. is it lack of sleep, do you need meditation, more exercise or maybe it's because you are lacking a certain vitamin or your hormones are off..???🤷🤷
It's typically something that can be resolved without medication but that simply will not do because they won't get that extra cash from it💵💵💰💰
If you research hard enough, the "chemical imbalance" theory was debunked YEARS ago!!! But they still preach that bs..🤦🤦🤬🤬🤬
We also have to be aware of medical manipulation to..
When I turned down medication for my depressive episodes, I was amazed at the tactics they tried to use to reel me in...😳😳😳
To each their own at the end of the day but me; been there, done that, no thanks...😒😒👎👎👎
Feeling down? Take a pill! Big Pharma approved this message!
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Totally agree, the chemical imbalance stuff is a bunch of BS. IT'S a cash cow in the majority of cases. Almost any other therapy is better than Pharma, IMHO!
It's capatilism and technology that makes every one selfish
We need to go back to Ancient Tartarian Egalitarian Equitarian Highest Standard of Living And Freely Helping Each Other Communal Way Of Living Utopia that reigned for over 1000 years. Like the Amish but more modern and more creative e.
I thought you were dead Ted
People have always been obsessed with looks and beauty, from the beginning of civilization, it's not like this is some sort of new trend and in my opinion it's nothing to do with the decline of religion: that void has been filled by consumerism, hedonism, materialism. Back in the day, it was even worse - people believed that beauty was a reflection of morality, and ugly people were seen as bad people. The idea of inner beauty is actually a much more modern concept than one might think. But make no mistake - our obsession with looks and beauty has always been a part of human nature.
Thanks. Money is the only religion everyone beleives in.
“ When it is a question of money, everyone is of the same religion.”
Voltaire
That is a very nihilistic viewpoint
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@@Darkdayzz people that lack the evolutionary ability to think morbidly are at higher risk of becoming victim to morbid realities.
Well we can prove money exists
For years, I've been contemplating these thoughts, asking my grandparents and parents what religion meant to them, and comparing it to how we see it now. The fundamentals of religion are a great social construct, they did abuse their power and people jumped ship, I need to remind you that this happens in all forms of power. Corrupt companies, corrupt financial institutions, corrupt politicians... We decide to let it happen because we can't do much about these scandals because it's out of range for most of us, and we've become too scared and obedient towards this normalized vulgar power structure. On all levels of society, religion made us one, we shared ideals and ways of thinking, giving us a group to be a part of. This has been replaced with 'individuality' and, as mentioned, we do create small, skin-deep communities. None of these have a profound meaning, so it's like eating a very sugary treat. It tastes nice, but it leaves you feeling hungry and wanting more. Also this progression leads to every external event that happens to an individual or any issue they encounter in the world, regardless of whether it is their fault or not, they are ultimately responsible for everything, which creates a tremendous amount of stress and a feeling of helplessness. As a modern society, we are free, but we are also separated from each other. We are like a group of instruments that don't play well together and make noise instead of making music.
"As a modern society, we are free, but we are also separated from each other. We are like a group of instruments that don't play well together and make noise instead of making music." -Joffrey Geenen.
Very nicely said and I will make sure to remember this one. Very thoughtful comment overall as well.Thank you!
@@z3rz112 Thank you for reading, best of luck.
Wow. What a great analogy you've found there!
Love the last sentence, might also explain why I love dissonant music, it really reflects that aspect of the world. A recent song that comes to mind is Noiseless Noise by PJ Harvey, highly recommend. :)
The last part was poetic
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion.”
Thomas Paine
In the UK, 2000 churches & chapels have been converted into Mosques.
Greatest propagandist
What is good
The hardest time I had with my life morally and emotionally was when I gave up looking for god after a lifetime of being raised in religion with no actual tools to make sense of the world. A lot of personal pain would have been spared had I been raised with the proper tools. After years of struggling to find a good path I'm now a big supporter of stoicism and CBT as it has helped me move forward with personal meaning.
Stoicism is great and being stoic is difficult as it demands a great deal on your behalf. This makes stoicism quite timeless, but also not very popular by its very nature
CBT?
@@rokaspleckaitis8924 Correct. The foolish and the fearful have way better false comfort due to their greater numbers. Their only effort involves keeping up with the latest trend.
Cognitive behavioral therapy
Cognitive behavioral therapy
I was raised Christian. While I understand wholeheartedly the positive value of religion, I also understand how incredibly destructive it can be. How obsessed people become by it and how it warps people's minds. How people will argue about what they think being a good Christian or good muslim or good Jew is and impose their own views on others. I see a resugence in Christianity. I see it almost as a new "club" people are joining just to feel a part of something. And its not out of the realm of possibility that members of this new club will eventually do what their predecessors did. Chastise, persecute, vilify those who aren't in "the club" or who don't abide by its rules. I already see this happening amongst a new generation of young conservatives. People as individuals are fine. In groups, they're absolute morons and will go along with almost anything so as to remain a devoted member. And this can apply to religious groups, political groups, any group of people who are expected to follow along with certain tenets and beliefs. Liberals in the past few years have shown how insane and nonsensical secular people can be just as the salem witch trials showed how insane and nonsensical religious people can be.
The ironic thing is modern liberalism has become a religion. What's the difference between claiming a virgin gave birth and claiming men can give birth? Nothing much, and both groups I'm referring to will hate you if you point out the objective fact neither of those things are possible (without unnatural modern procedures, anyway).
Your critique of Christianity is that it isn't. Most Christians, nearly all in my estimation, neither know Christ nor follow his example. I point out your observation of being a "good" Christian. Jesus himself is quoted as saying "no one is good but the Father", so those pseudo-Christians who have spoken of being a "good" Christian belie their lack of understanding. Most Christians simply aren't.
@@tedlogan4867 are you a Christian? The problem is everyone thinks they know what it means to be a good Christian. So in a roundabout way you sort of are proving my point.
I’ve come to the conclusion that zealousness isn’t so much a religious problem as it is a human problem. We just tend to associate it with religions/religious people because up until very recently pretty much everyone was religious.
In fact, I think the last 125 years have made it clear that most problems that people associate with organized religion can be duplicated within secular organizations just as easily.
@@ptyleranodon3081 yes I agree. I think religion is a very strong conduit however for extreme zealotry/beliefs. But anytime people start identifying with groups it is problematic
I found inner peace when I gave up on any kind of religious beliefs.
That was definitely part of it for me.
I lived that way for 10years after originally being raised christian but as an atheist I went down a deep hole of depression and addiction, resigning the world (pain) and not having any meaning of life.
I now found my peace in buddhism and meditation and it was the main factor for my rehab, for giving up drugs and wanting to live and help others instead of escaping reality. I still struggle with my past/demons of course but I now feel happy, my life has meaning and I can truely love myself and others.
@@farinthefuture2178 As an Atheist I have been there. I found my hope in my goals/dreams. That's what keeps me away from alcohol/drugs and keeps me going. I have always struggled with depression since i was a kid which I had even as a Christian back when i had more support and a god to talk to etc. I just know I can't be fake and to keep my eyes on my future of what I will do and where I will go.
I find inner peace when I truly connect with religion.
I find inner peace with knowing I’m a part of Nature , not more , not less .
I've never understood the search for meaning. Why does life have to have meaning? Life just IS.
the meaning of life is life
seriously, I just want to appreciate things while I'm here
Beans bro
To feel joyful just for existing is the highest thing a human can achieve. Something all the money in the world can't buy.
I also think this way. But I guess there is some variation on humans, and a portion cannot find meaning.
I don’t know about the rest of the world, but here in the US we are a bunch of monsters fighting and striving to get the most money we can on a daily basis. People have become so removed from anything spiritual.
Just clutching at the straws of the past, the last gasps of a dying giant.
can thank Reaganomics
@@yourewrongfrTrickle down economics
Only half of thé US theyr called demonrats, hello from Europe
@@johnstow5613 tell me u don’t understand reaganomics without telling me u don’t understand reaganomics. reaganomics referrers to the deregulation of economics during the 1980’s ie stripping down everything that made the workforce human instead looking only at the bottom line stripping down every cost that wasn’t efficient. it’s what’s caused such a huge finical discrepancy in this country. trickle down economics is what ur racist grandpa tells u when ur 12 it’s a myth
So, I'm late, and I'm dumb, but is it really a meaningful life if you live by some sacred rules invented millennia ago? I'd rather live in Nietzsche's hellhole, trying to find my own meaning.
Sacred Rules which have durability. You don't have your own rules. Nothing is new under the sun.
Honestly you have a point. But I often see religious or even civilizational cycles just end up like this. As a civilization becomes more prosperous it feels like it has moved past its need for conformist ideals or the transitional morals. However, this often just leads to infighting and large tragedies which erode the civilization further causing both the original civilization and religion to continue to decline. Then a new "prophet" comes around and basically just brings back the exact same things that we tried to reject under a different framework allowing for a new consolidation of civilizational meaning and edge. When loosened this creates a point in which the civilization grows more powerful and expands, until it gets prosperous and egotistical and starts the cycle all over again. I don't necessarily think the current religions will be the ones to survive, but a new religion of equal or even greater strength must take its place or the civilization and the people as a group have no direction.
As a Buddhist I feel attacked by this video haha!
On a serious note, I feel this raises a question I’ve found myself asking as I get older, though I feel like most people are caught up in their own busy lives to the point of not noticing, zombie like if you will.
As a normal person, I feel attacked by your comment.
As a Taoist I just smile.
This video is more about Christianity, religious people who are devoted to god and the loss of that tradition.
As an Atheist who leans towards more at Spirituality, Buddhism and Taoism philosophy I'm not offended at all.
People just have to explore other religions, incorporate all the good morals, wisdoms and life lessons that each offer and take mental health seriously, learn more about psychology.
Buddhism is impressive as going after the truth is one of your core tenets, it's a shame that the religion never became widespread.
@@canchero724 because Buddhism is not really religion he is philosopher, and ppl make religion out of him, i personally dislike buddism tho because he is not as liberating as ppl tought