a lot of time Lebrun's sereves are illegal but dam,how can you call his serve and not the reverse from Olah. he cover the ball with the whole left arm like if he is playing with the old rules
Yeah. Using the same criteria, Benedict throws the ball horizontally against his racket. Much worse. If they apply the rule, Alexis loose part of the ponts in his serves, and Benedict loose every single serve.
We have so many cameras, literally one on everyone´s pocket, yet we can´t give the umpires 3 monitors with different angles near them for when they need to double check something... Incredible.
You are so goddamn right. And the spectators only get the worst option in the replay which shows that even the camera guys don't really know what to show. It's embarassing to watch such levels of incompetence.
Urgent to give precise, accurate, following cams in every sport. Referees should remain in my opinion, but should not "have" to work. Rules must not be a problem at all. Let the game play, only.
@@Like-a-trolling-stone second that, it would greatly improve and modernize the sport while allowing for a whole host more creativity in the serve game
This is why umpires don't call out serves. When they do you have coaches, players whinning and asking for the the tournament referee to come. People online including complain. When they don't people complain also.
Then whose fault is that? It's the umpires job to enforce the rules period and the ITTF's job to make it enforceable. Tennis and badminton have the technology in place to aid with this issue, why not table tennis? If it's such a problem for umpires to enforce the rules, then how about changing them in a way that's easier to call out. Ffs, this is ittf's fault plain and simple.
The rules should be updated such that no one even comes close to an illegal serve. The whole "I move my left arm out of the way during the last 0.13sec" being legal incentives player to play an "almost illegal" serve, and simultaneously makes the umpire's job much harder and wrong calls more likely. You do not need your non-dominant hand in the serve space after tossing. Neither your head. Do away with allowing the grey areas and it's nigh impossible to fault a serve in table tennis.
The toss wasn't vertical. His palm is first at the center line then he contacts the ball far to the left of that. I'm tired of seeing pro players using illegal serves.
@thefallenarm589 Sure did. Driving 100 mph on a side street because everyone else is does not constitute an excuse nor make it legal, though. Do you think Lebrun's serve, in isolation, was legal or not?
The toss was backwards like lots of other pros that do it. It's very easy to tell by the ump if the toss is not vertical. All you have to do is watch where the ball leaves the hand and where it touches the racquet. You can easily see the distance between those points and know it wasn't vertical. I'm glad umpires are calling more serve faults. Even if they're wrong some time at least they're trying to enforce it.
It wasn't in the open palm at all. It was thrown at an angle and it most likely was even hidden behind his chest for a split second. Pick one or all. Even one rule violation is enough. The inconsistence in the ruling is just the result of the constant lamenting of the players and their trainers and even spectators, that no official really wants to go through. At this level of general unsportmanship it would be even better to get rid of ALL officials, because they can't do their job anymore without the risk of getting attacked, even IF they judged correctly.
Ovcharov FH tomahawk serve has the ball being projected across the width of the baseline - and no one has called it a fault. Idiots persist in saying that the ball drops vertical for the last few inches and therefore OK, which is nonsense. The ball must be projected vertical with very small allowances. No deviation back to front or side to side.
@@-danRI saw him doing it across the whole baseline multiple times. Anyway, angle is angle he knows why he does it, because it's the perfect angle for a heavy tomahawk serve.
It's not perfectly vertical, but it doesn't have to be perfectly vertical. The rules only require the server to project the ball near vertically upwards. This has usually been interpreted as a tolerance of 30 degrees, but common sense plays a crucial role in this judgement. To me, the toss is near vertical. I wouldn't have called it.
The French coach also complained about the call being made at 11-11 in the 4th set when the serve was not different than any other serve done in that match. Just do the call at 2-2 when there is no pressure and the players would not be so pissed
Der Aufschlag war nicht „nahezu senkrecht“ . Der Aufschlag war zu schräg und damit falsch. Im intern. Handbook for matches ist dazu extra eine Graphik abgebildet. Wann lernen denn die Profis endlich mal einen korrekten Aufschlag?
Maybe when all players get called the same and it's not just random bullshit like this. The china smash had literally hidden serves in every match, and I didn't see a single serve get called. Stop giving excuses for ittf:s poor handling of this issue. Just get rid of the rule, or implement VAR, those are the options
Sie könnten korrekt servieren, machen es aber bewusst nicht. Man kann schon beim Nachwuchs erkennen, wie ihnen diese illegalen Methoden beigebracht werden.
Das stimmt. Der nächste Aufschlag vom Gegner war aber noch schräger und wurde nicht moniert. Das ist dann schon fragwürdig. Und es sollte die Regel geben, dass der Schiedsrichter sagen muss, was am Aufschlag verkehrt ist. Es kann ja nicht sein, dass man als Spieler da raten muss. "Ist es der Wurf nicht senkrecht genug, die Hand nicht flach genug, nicht hoch genug?"
@@Enkidu1701 Stimmt schon, aber die Spieler selbst wissen natürlich ganz genau, was an ihrem Aufschlag alles verboten ist ;-) Es wäre dann pure Heuchelei so zu tun, als ob sie es nicht wüssten, aber lustig wäre es schon, denn, sagen wir der Schiedsrichter sagt, der Ball wurde mit einem Winkel geworfen... Dann würde der Spielee sagen: Blödsinn, ich hab den Ball doch nur verdeckt! 🤣
We have to change and to simplify the rules about services. It's so difficult to judge it. Here the referre is totaly wrong. It was not the time/the point to do that and if you say fault for lebrun, after you have to say fault for the other one because his serve was fault.
That is a fucking faulty serve...Not only he tosses from the middle towards the end of the table with such a step angle, but he also puts his arm on the table to block the starting point of the serve...
Agreed. Anyone who begins their serve toss with arm fully extended from center table is about to do an illegal serve. Why? Because they plan to contact the ball near their body where the leverage is. They don't step toward center table to contact ball- they throw the ball towards their body. Truly sometimes serves from center table but his body is also center table and therefore his toss is good.
@@solideomusical Throwing the ball 30% towards your body is not illegal. Morover, a lot of players tend to also move their body towards the ball in the process. What was illegal in that video was the step angle away from the table coupled with a low throw towards the body. They should increase the necessary height for the ball throw to 30cm (~12 inches). In this manner, it matters little where you throw the ball as long as the serve starts in front of your body.
There is no such things as perfect serve in table tennis. Vertical throws must have some angles whether the player like it or not. It is totally impossible to throw it vertically perfectly with no angle.
@@_.Madness._ nope, I definitevly agree with eaglestar. : when you have a continuious distribution of probability (here the distribution of the angle w.r.t. the vertical), the probability of an specific exact value (in our cas 0°) is equal to 0. Mayve Samsonov get sth smaller than 0.001 °, but it's impossible to get exactly zero. The point of eagle is then : where to you fix the thershold angle ?
@@thibauteloy6841Even a blind person would see that samsonovs serve is neither too low nor angled. He was/is such a humble guy, a rolemodel in fairness.
The rule doesn't say 'perfectly vertical.' The understanding is 'more vertical than horizontal' which many players (especially Asians) don't care about.
Cuando recién se cambio la regla todos sacaban mostrando la pelota al momento del impacto con la pelota, pero a mas de 20 años del cambio de esa regla estamos casi al limite de como se servia antes. La regla debería ser mas estricta para que no quede duda, y esto seria sacando con la pelota mas adelante que el cuerpo.
Watch Darko Jorgic vs Balasz Lei match. Jordic kicked the sh*t out of the table at one point. And he wasn't immediately banned, he hardly got a yellow card. Now that's what I call umpire controversy.
There is no ban for kicking the table, and yeah I saw it. You start off with a yellow card for just about every infraction. Smashing the table by bring your foot up and smashing _down on the top-not the edge-surface_ should get a red card.
@@-danRwrong. Aggressive, threatening behaviour must not be tolerated. Even boxers show more respect for the opponent. It can skip to the red card immediately, but it takes balls to call them out on that behaviour.
rules are simple on paper. In big tournaments put 3 cameras and an IA analyzing it and calling faulty serves. IA is there especially for that and is very good at those things based on simple machine learning. IA surpassed humans for diagnoses if a person as a cancer or not based on his MRI. It will also surpass humans for calling faulty serves. Players are not dumb, they will adapt.
Even with any video assistance, it still depends on the umpire (human) to make decision.!! And should we give the grumbled side the right to protest immediately?? It cannot be perfect.
Admin I thought you are always very expressive when it comes to umpire not faulting "illegal serves" (E.g. Lin Shidong). Now umpire take action and you are not happy. Why is it because Lebrun is French?
Il serait aussi bien que les entraineurs veillent a faire respecter les regles de service de so joueur !! Alexis fermes les doigts et inclines la main vers l'exterieur avant chaque lancer de balle .. cela se remedies facilement a l'entrainement !! Le coach a beau dire ce qu'il veut .. il est aussi responsable de ce fait ..
It is very easy to make a correct serve. If the player makes a serve on the edge of the rules, it is his own risk! It is not the task of the umpire to detect if the serve was wrong. According to the rules, the service is fault if there are ANY doubts from the referee - even if the service was correct in the replay. So just toss the ball high and straight up. Very easy. Great umpire!
90% of serves are fault for different reasons. All players know the rules! But they use fault serves to get an advantage. Don‘t blame the umpires. They have a bad angle to see everything. Players should do correct serves and all problems are gone! Or blame the ITTF to change the rules.
what do he mean "How is that a fault serve" xD It's 100% fault he is tossing it from middle to the end of the table with like a 30 cm high toss xD The serve is more towards him then it is upwards. And yes the unconstantance is fucked..... They should call like 80% of all the serve.. But hey they both do fault serve so let them do there cheat serves agianst eachother. Easy fix for the serve problem. Since they are already filming from "behind" Make 1 of the umpires have a screen where they can see the serve from the angle we as viewers can see
Let's update the rule to make it clearer and address most issues. For instance, one of the new guidelines would be to toss the ball above the head. Or allow anything so that it would be at least fair to everyone.
They all use illegal services. But the refs do as they feel, whenever they like, with no constitency. It's not worthy of this sport. Adapt the rules or get tools to the refs to judge in good faith.
My issue with Lebruns serve is he's cupping his hand and shielding the ball. His palm should be flat and show the ball. The female player's serce is perfectly legal though.
Get a robot to perform the perfect serve at all times from both ends and humans can jump in and continue play. This will ensure consistency, eliminate controversy and spark new interest in table tennis.
Dass Lebrun und sein Coach sofort den Oberschiedsrichter wollen, zeigt doch, dass sie schon damit rechnen, dass sie angegangen werden. Die einfachste Methode wäre es, richtige Aufschläge zu machen, aber das kriegt der arme Junge ja nicht hin.
I think it's quite easy. Require players to serve from a certain distance away from the table, like 60 or 80 cm away. The current ITTF service rules are reasonable in theory, but simply unenforceable by human umpires. So what is the value of an unenforceable law? Zero. And these imbecile looking head thrusts to hide services should be just gone from the game once and for all.
It's correct that it got faulted... he didn't even throw it remotely straight up which you need to do. Most professionals don't follow that rule on purpose because usually most umpires don't dare to fault those but it's against the rules
forget about those foolish rules. Think of the Waldners serves ! Seems that the pc ideology doesn´t stop at sports. Let the players find their own way to cope with the difficulties. And get rid of unneccesary referees !
на 1.50 абсолютно однозначно и ясно видно, что лебрун НЕ подбрасывает с открытой ладони. Вместо этого он зажал мяч в кулаке (по привычке, как головку) и делает точно такое же движение кулаком вверх, как привык.
Lebrun and the coach are disrespectful, they have to accept the umpires decision. The behavior of the coaches in such situations, are often the reason, the umpires are afraid to call a fault. Thats ridiculous, because most of the serves are illegal
This is weird because the Finland guy did it too almost everytime but the umpire didn't say anything... So instead of being biased watch the video again because the point isn't that Lebrun's serve was legal or not but that Olah DID the SAME THING but wasn't sanctionned.
So, do you completely understanding that both of players have illegal servers but the umpires called faulted only of Lebrun, right? Just to fair... if you said so. :)))
@@lheidorno9551 the problem was : "why waiting this moment to say that the serve is illegal?" If they say it at the begining, Alexis changes his serve and there is no problem
@@FreeStyle-gc4ln my Point is, the behaviour of the Coaches in such Situation is always over the top. They can criticize the umpire, but he just shouting and shouting. Thats not helpful...He is Like: "but the other one does it too"
This service rule is just a joke. There is no consistency whatsoever. Whoever had yhis idea should be banned from the sport. Hidden serves was one of the coolest part of the game...
The serve was a fault, but that is not the problem. The problem is that 60-90% of serves are fault but never called. The rule is shit and video won´t solve shit as there are millions of players playing with the same shit rule and have no video. We can´t have rules for the top that won´t work for the rest. We can have a higher quality in judging through video for the top is the margin is small (like in tennis and to a certain extend in futebol/soccer) but in table tennis video for top would mean different rules for top tournaments and all below.
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a lot of time Lebrun's sereves are illegal but dam,how can you call his serve and not the reverse from Olah.
he cover the ball with the whole left arm like if he is playing with the old rules
If thats true olah is even worst , if you have ever played someone that covers up the contact you know how unfair it is.
Yeah. Using the same criteria, Benedict throws the ball horizontally against his racket. Much worse.
If they apply the rule, Alexis loose part of the ponts in his serves, and Benedict loose every single serve.
Donc les arbitres ne servent à rien ou sont incompétents ???
We have so many cameras, literally one on everyone´s pocket, yet we can´t give the umpires 3 monitors with different angles near them for when they need to double check something... Incredible.
You are so goddamn right. And the spectators only get the worst option in the replay which shows that even the camera guys don't really know what to show. It's embarassing to watch such levels of incompetence.
Urgent to give precise, accurate, following cams in every sport. Referees should remain in my opinion, but should not "have" to work. Rules must not be a problem at all. Let the game play, only.
This is the same umpire that called a lot of fault serves in the Kaufmann game. Very interesting
Is that „Olah“ of Pongfinity?😄
@@edwardhochwand9063 yes
That's Olahf from Frozen.
@@edwardhochwand9063 yea it is
He's not part of Pongfinity, he's just appeared in a few videos
Tossing the ball high enough and not hiding it should be the only rules when it comes to serving.
Good point. ITTF should change the rules .
@@Like-a-trolling-stone second that, it would greatly improve and modernize the sport while allowing for a whole host more creativity in the serve game
not spinning the ball with your finger is equally important imo, bc its impossible to read for the receiver and will affect the final effect
The call on the girl in black is f*** ridiculous
This is why umpires don't call out serves. When they do you have coaches, players whinning and asking for the the tournament referee to come. People online including complain. When they don't people complain also.
100%
so true, they should do it more often because as it's now the rewards for cheating are higher than the risks
Then whose fault is that? It's the umpires job to enforce the rules period and the ITTF's job to make it enforceable. Tennis and badminton have the technology in place to aid with this issue, why not table tennis? If it's such a problem for umpires to enforce the rules, then how about changing them in a way that's easier to call out. Ffs, this is ittf's fault plain and simple.
We need the Videoproof!!!!
The rules should be updated such that no one even comes close to an illegal serve. The whole "I move my left arm out of the way during the last 0.13sec" being legal incentives player to play an "almost illegal" serve, and simultaneously makes the umpire's job much harder and wrong calls more likely. You do not need your non-dominant hand in the serve space after tossing. Neither your head. Do away with allowing the grey areas and it's nigh impossible to fault a serve in table tennis.
Bravo !
The toss wasn't vertical. His palm is first at the center line then he contacts the ball far to the left of that. I'm tired of seeing pro players using illegal serves.
Lebrun's side don't contest it's illegal, they argue it's not called a fault consistently on both side of the table, and for every serve.
@thefallenarm589 that doesn't make his serve legal
@@solideomusical did you read what I wrote before replying ?
@thefallenarm589 Sure did. Driving 100 mph on a side street because everyone else is does not constitute an excuse nor make it legal, though. Do you think Lebrun's serve, in isolation, was legal or not?
@@solideomusical I don't think it was ; as stated, I think both players should be warned for illegal serves.
The toss was backwards like lots of other pros that do it. It's very easy to tell by the ump if the toss is not vertical. All you have to do is watch where the ball leaves the hand and where it touches the racquet. You can easily see the distance between those points and know it wasn't vertical. I'm glad umpires are calling more serve faults. Even if they're wrong some time at least they're trying to enforce it.
Thank you
It is almost impossible for any human to throw a perfectly vertical. The subjectivity has to stop
its not perfectly vertical bud Near vertical ..
The serve of the girl was perfect! How can you fault that?!?!?!?
It wasn't in the open palm at all. It was thrown at an angle and it most likely was even hidden behind his chest for a split second. Pick one or all. Even one rule violation is enough.
The inconsistence in the ruling is just the result of the constant lamenting of the players and their trainers and even spectators, that no official really wants to go through.
At this level of general unsportmanship it would be even better to get rid of ALL officials, because they can't do their job anymore without the risk of getting attacked, even IF they judged correctly.
Ovcharov FH tomahawk serve has the ball being projected across the width of the baseline - and no one has called it a fault. Idiots persist in saying that the ball drops vertical for the last few inches and therefore OK, which is nonsense. The ball must be projected vertical with very small allowances. No deviation back to front or side to side.
You are the idiot. The allowance, by ITTF rule book is 30 degrees. That tomahawk is barely 20.
Maybe _half_ a baseline width. See:
"4 Steps with Dimitrij Ovtcharov to learn the Worlds Best Tomahawk Serve"
30 degrees is allowance
@@-danRI saw him doing it across the whole baseline multiple times. Anyway, angle is angle he knows why he does it, because it's the perfect angle for a heavy tomahawk serve.
5:27 Alexis Lebrun move the table with his body, and win the point, but it's a fault right ?
It's not perfectly vertical, but it doesn't have to be perfectly vertical. The rules only require the server to project the ball near vertically upwards. This has usually been interpreted as a tolerance of 30 degrees, but common sense plays a crucial role in this judgement. To me, the toss is near vertical. I wouldn't have called it.
even among the referees they have different perspective about the complexity of the service rules
The French coach also complained about the call being made at 11-11 in the 4th set when the serve was not different than any other serve done in that match. Just do the call at 2-2 when there is no pressure and the players would not be so pissed
Legalize it and stop that shit 🎉
Der Aufschlag war nicht „nahezu senkrecht“ . Der Aufschlag war zu schräg und damit falsch. Im intern. Handbook for matches ist dazu extra eine Graphik abgebildet. Wann lernen denn die Profis endlich mal einen korrekten Aufschlag?
Maybe when all players get called the same and it's not just random bullshit like this. The china smash had literally hidden serves in every match, and I didn't see a single serve get called. Stop giving excuses for ittf:s poor handling of this issue. Just get rid of the rule, or implement VAR, those are the options
Sie könnten korrekt servieren, machen es aber bewusst nicht. Man kann schon beim Nachwuchs erkennen, wie ihnen diese illegalen Methoden beigebracht werden.
Das stimmt. Der nächste Aufschlag vom Gegner war aber noch schräger und wurde nicht moniert. Das ist dann schon fragwürdig.
Und es sollte die Regel geben, dass der Schiedsrichter sagen muss, was am Aufschlag verkehrt ist. Es kann ja nicht sein, dass man als Spieler da raten muss. "Ist es der Wurf nicht senkrecht genug, die Hand nicht flach genug, nicht hoch genug?"
@@Enkidu1701 Stimmt schon, aber die Spieler selbst wissen natürlich ganz genau, was an ihrem Aufschlag alles verboten ist ;-) Es wäre dann pure Heuchelei so zu tun, als ob sie es nicht wüssten, aber lustig wäre es schon, denn, sagen wir der Schiedsrichter sagt, der Ball wurde mit einem Winkel geworfen... Dann würde der Spielee sagen: Blödsinn, ich hab den Ball doch nur verdeckt! 🤣
Olah's service on the next point was totally illegal... Nowhere near vertical❗
We have to change and to simplify the rules about services.
It's so difficult to judge it.
Here the referre is totaly wrong. It was not the time/the point to do that and if you say fault for lebrun, after you have to say fault for the other one because his serve was fault.
That is a fucking faulty serve...Not only he tosses from the middle towards the end of the table with such a step angle, but he also puts his arm on the table to block the starting point of the serve...
Agreed. Anyone who begins their serve toss with arm fully extended from center table is about to do an illegal serve. Why? Because they plan to contact the ball near their body where the leverage is. They don't step toward center table to contact ball- they throw the ball towards their body. Truly sometimes serves from center table but his body is also center table and therefore his toss is good.
@@solideomusical Throwing the ball 30% towards your body is not illegal. Morover, a lot of players tend to also move their body towards the ball in the process. What was illegal in that video was the step angle away from the table coupled with a low throw towards the body.
They should increase the necessary height for the ball throw to 30cm (~12 inches). In this manner, it matters little where you throw the ball as long as the serve starts in front of your body.
@@munteanucatalin9833 Sounds like we watched two different clips. Where did you get that information?
The serve went way beyond the maximum angle of 30º. Almost no referee calls it, it's true... but that doesn't make it legal.
A VAR system like Football is urgently needed !
Serve needs to be simple and fair, it's the ITTF that ruin this sport. Like high toss backhand serve only.
If the only serving rule was that the first contact must be behind the line I wonder how create players would become
Just bring back the 80s rules and problem solved. Table tennis referees are trash, let's call it as it is.
There is no such things as perfect serve in table tennis. Vertical throws must have some angles whether the player like it or not. It is totally impossible to throw it vertically perfectly with no angle.
It is possible, watch Samsonov.
@@_.Madness._ nope, I definitevly agree with eaglestar. : when you have a continuious distribution of probability (here the distribution of the angle w.r.t. the vertical), the probability of an specific exact value (in our cas 0°) is equal to 0. Mayve Samsonov get sth smaller than 0.001 °, but it's impossible to get exactly zero. The point of eagle is then : where to you fix the thershold angle ?
@@thibauteloy6841Even a blind person would see that samsonovs serve is neither too low nor angled. He was/is such a humble guy, a rolemodel in fairness.
@@esmolol4091 agree 100%
The rule doesn't say 'perfectly vertical.' The understanding is 'more vertical than horizontal' which many players (especially Asians) don't care about.
Cuando recién se cambio la regla todos sacaban mostrando la pelota al momento del impacto con la pelota, pero a mas de 20 años del cambio de esa regla estamos casi al limite de como se servia antes. La regla debería ser mas estricta para que no quede duda, y esto seria sacando con la pelota mas adelante que el cuerpo.
Honestly, the rules need to be simplified.
this is the stupid umpire that so many false call.
Yes, almost all players serve with violations - throwing the ball at themselves, covering it with their body or elbow. Anyone can be penalized.
And they should as long as the rules aren't changed.
Because Olaf and the umpire look like they are from the same Scandinavian countries.
5:49 "5 game points" 😅
I have Never seen a service totally legal at this level 😂..
Watch Darko Jorgic vs Balasz Lei match. Jordic kicked the sh*t out of the table at one point. And he wasn't immediately banned, he hardly got a yellow card. Now that's what I call umpire controversy.
There is no ban for kicking the table, and yeah I saw it. You start off with a yellow card for just about every infraction. Smashing the table by bring your foot up and smashing _down on the top-not the edge-surface_ should get a red card.
@@-danRwrong. Aggressive, threatening behaviour must not be tolerated. Even boxers show more respect for the opponent.
It can skip to the red card immediately, but it takes balls to call them out on that behaviour.
rules are simple on paper. In big tournaments put 3 cameras and an IA analyzing it and calling faulty serves. IA is there especially for that and is very good at those things based on simple machine learning. IA surpassed humans for diagnoses if a person as a cancer or not based on his MRI. It will also surpass humans for calling faulty serves.
Players are not dumb, they will adapt.
Even with any video assistance, it still depends on the umpire (human) to make decision.!! And should we give the grumbled side the right to protest immediately?? It cannot be perfect.
I'm blind I'm deaf I want to be a ref🔥🔥🔥
I always doubt the TT umpires' intelligence.
Admin I thought you are always very expressive when it comes to umpire not faulting "illegal serves" (E.g. Lin Shidong). Now umpire take action and you are not happy. Why is it because Lebrun is French?
Il serait aussi bien que les entraineurs veillent a faire respecter les regles de service de so joueur !! Alexis fermes les doigts et inclines la main vers l'exterieur avant chaque lancer de balle .. cela se remedies facilement a l'entrainement !! Le coach a beau dire ce qu'il veut .. il est aussi responsable de ce fait ..
It is very easy to make a correct serve.
If the player makes a serve on the edge of the rules, it is his own risk!
It is not the task of the umpire to detect if the serve was wrong. According to the rules, the service is fault if there are ANY doubts from the referee - even if the service was correct in the replay.
So just toss the ball high and straight up. Very easy.
Great umpire!
90% of serves are fault for different reasons. All players know the rules!
But they use fault serves to get an advantage.
Don‘t blame the umpires. They have a bad angle to see everything.
Players should do correct serves and all problems are gone!
Or blame the ITTF to change the rules.
Dumbest rule ever. And seriously just use some damn technology like other sports.
And it was THE RIGHT CALL
what do he mean "How is that a fault serve" xD It's 100% fault he is tossing it from middle to the end of the table with like a 30 cm high toss xD The serve is more towards him then it is upwards.
And yes the unconstantance is fucked..... They should call like 80% of all the serve.. But hey they both do fault serve so let them do there cheat serves agianst eachother.
Easy fix for the serve problem.
Since they are already filming from "behind" Make 1 of the umpires have a screen where they can see the serve from the angle we as viewers can see
Alexis is targeted because of his temper
Some service needs to be banned
Let's update the rule to make it clearer and address most issues.
For instance, one of the new guidelines would be to toss the ball above the head.
Or allow anything so that it would be at least fair to everyone.
They all use illegal services. But the refs do as they feel, whenever they like, with no constitency. It's not worthy of this sport. Adapt the rules or get tools to the refs to judge in good faith.
and behin, bouuuum big point !!
My issue with Lebruns serve is he's cupping his hand and shielding the ball. His palm should be flat and show the ball. The female player's serce is perfectly legal though.
Get a robot to perform the perfect serve at all times from both ends and humans can jump in and continue play. This will ensure consistency, eliminate controversy and spark new interest in table tennis.
ce n'est pas de l'arbitrage mais du pifomètre ! encore un juge qui veut faire son cirque!
Dass Lebrun und sein Coach sofort den Oberschiedsrichter wollen, zeigt doch, dass sie schon damit rechnen, dass sie angegangen werden. Die einfachste Methode wäre es, richtige Aufschläge zu machen, aber das kriegt der arme Junge ja nicht hin.
Just let a.i call it
Wang Chuqins Serves are ALL over the Table, never he become a negative Feedback🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think it's quite easy. Require players to serve from a certain distance away from the table, like 60 or 80 cm away. The current ITTF service rules are reasonable in theory, but simply unenforceable by human umpires. So what is the value of an unenforceable law? Zero. And these imbecile looking head thrusts to hide services should be just gone from the game once and for all.
Just bring back being able to hide the contact point
Caméras dans les poteaux de filet !
It's correct that it got faulted... he didn't even throw it remotely straight up which you need to do.
Most professionals don't follow that rule on purpose because usually most umpires don't dare to fault those but it's against the rules
forget about those foolish rules. Think of the Waldners serves ! Seems that the pc ideology doesn´t stop at sports. Let the players find their own way to cope with the difficulties. And get rid of unneccesary referees !
The serve rule is the dumbest ever. They should back to the old rule where hiding the ball is fine. It’s a skill and should be premiered.
на 1.50 абсолютно однозначно и ясно видно, что лебрун НЕ подбрасывает с открытой ладони. Вместо этого он зажал мяч в кулаке (по привычке, как головку) и делает точно такое же движение кулаком вверх, как привык.
Der Betreuer von Lebrun sollte für das ganze Turnier gesperrt werden. Offensichtlich hat der Mann keine Manieren.
Well, looking at the score on the two last sets, maybe the best of Alexis has come out from this!
1000 % Avec Nathanaël
Lebrun and the coach are disrespectful, they have to accept the umpires decision. The behavior of the coaches in such situations, are often the reason, the umpires are afraid to call a fault. Thats ridiculous, because most of the serves are illegal
This is weird because the Finland guy did it too almost everytime but the umpire didn't say anything... So instead of being biased watch the video again because the point isn't that Lebrun's serve was legal or not but that Olah DID the SAME THING but wasn't sanctionned.
So, do you completely understanding that both of players have illegal servers but the umpires called faulted only of Lebrun, right? Just to fair... if you said so. :)))
Nope
@@lheidorno9551 the problem was : "why waiting this moment to say that the serve is illegal?" If they say it at the begining, Alexis changes his serve and there is no problem
@@FreeStyle-gc4ln my Point is, the behaviour of the Coaches in such Situation is always over the top. They can criticize the umpire, but he just shouting and shouting. Thats not helpful...He is Like: "but the other one does it too"
still talking about this serve issue. ommg.... move on. it is what is it. If not happy then dont play this sport.
This service rule is just a joke. There is no consistency whatsoever. Whoever had yhis idea should be banned from the sport. Hidden serves was one of the coolest part of the game...
Umpires at this EC are very “IMPORTANT”. They wish to be “BOSSES”’!!! Its BS!!!
The serve was a fault, but that is not the problem. The problem is that 60-90% of serves are fault but never called. The rule is shit and video won´t solve shit as there are millions of players playing with the same shit rule and have no video. We can´t have rules for the top that won´t work for the rest. We can have a higher quality in judging through video for the top is the margin is small (like in tennis and to a certain extend in futebol/soccer) but in table tennis video for top would mean different rules for top tournaments and all below.