How does God decide who to save? | R.C. Sproul
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- Welcome to our channel! In this enlightening video, renowned reformed Pastor R.C. Sproul delves into the profound doctrine of unconditional election in Christianity. 🙏✨
📜 Unraveling the Mystery: Dive deep into the theological concept of unconditional election, a cornerstone of Reformed theology, as R.C. Sproul unpacks its significance and implications.
🤔 What is Unconditional Election?: Gain clarity on the concept of unconditional election, which asserts that God chooses certain individuals for salvation based solely on His sovereign will, irrespective of human merit or foreseen faith.
🔍 Exploring Biblical Foundations: Explore the biblical foundations of unconditional election, as R.C. Sproul navigates through key passages such as Romans 9 and Ephesians 1, shedding light on the divine sovereignty in salvation.
💡 Theological Reflections: Engage in thought-provoking theological reflections as R.C. Sproul addresses common misconceptions and objections surrounding the doctrine of unconditional election, offering profound insights rooted in Scripture.
🌟 Divine Grace Unveiled: Discover how unconditional election magnifies the sovereignty of God and underscores the profound depths of His grace, unveiling a God whose mercy and love transcend human comprehension.
📖 Scriptural Insights: Delve into the Scriptures with R.C. Sproul as he provides exegetical insights and contextual understanding, illuminating the richness and depth of God's redemptive plan.
🌱 Nurturing Spiritual Growth: Encourage spiritual growth and maturity as R.C. Sproul encourages believers to embrace the doctrine of unconditional election with humility and reverence, fostering a deeper appreciation for God's sovereign work in salvation.
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God chose me-I did not choose Him. I was a Christian by label only up until just a year ago. I cannot describe the very real and completely unprovoked pull that truly brought me to Christ. It’s like He led me from the darkness, and I was drawn to Him with a fervent magnetic attraction.
ALL glory be to God! The God of perfect mercy and a perfect judgment!
I agree. I don’t feel like I chose God. It’s more like I cannot NOT believe in Jesus.
blah blah blah no you heard the gospel and believed. NO ONE is "chosen" without Christ. You are dead, judged and condemned without Christ! Ephesians 1 "CHOSEN IN HIM" MEANS GOD CHOOSES YOU BECAUSE CHRIST HAS SAVED YOU. THINK!
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“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you.” John 15:16
“Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,” Ephesians 1:4-5
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” John 6:44
“And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.” Romans 8:28
“And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.” Revelation 13:8
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” John 6:37
“For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.” Ephesians 2:8-9
“But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,” Galatians 1:15
“In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will,” Ephesians 1:11
I think you should read your Bible more…
You are correct.
The Lord saved you.
Indeed, it is our Lord Jesus who saved you by sovereignly changing your heart and mind even while living in this perishing world.
So that, when you heard the message of His crucifixion and resurrection, your heart and mind were changed...
He did that...our Lord Jesus did that alone according to His plan He purposed for you before the creation of Creation.
That is why you may, and should, feel like you had nothing to do with that.
Our Lord Jesus chose you in that way before the creation of Creation to be among the first fruits of many sons and daughters who are to come and will be made known to all of Creation as our Apostle Paul told us in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57.
So then, continue with this testimony.
But be wise...
There are many among us who testify to being believers but deny their salvation is solely, 100%, by a sovereign act of our Lord Jesus...
That warning aside, I understand your profound sense that all might, honor, and glory belong to our Lord Jesus, who is God forever praised.
He saved us from before the creation of Creation.
@@dsp62122 Thank you for this! I honestly have seen this doctrine all throughout scripture, yet so many get upset when you try and point it out (as exemplified above).
It also is completely undermining my unique experience and testimony as a new believer. So thank you for saying so. Keep preaching the Glory of God. What a beautiful thing to be adopted children of the almighty!
"In His love, He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, so that we would be holy and blameless in His sight" Ephesians 1:4-6
Crystal clear sermon - if we have a problem with it (as I did at first), we don’t have a problem with Dr. Sproul or with Calvinism, we have a problem with God.
That assumes that Dr. Sproul and Calvinism speak for God.
@@thegreatgazoo7579 No, but both speaks from the Bible which is the authoritative Word of the living GOD
@@alennazarpour5020 So what changes if you claim that Sproul "speaks from the Bible" and the Bible is God speaking? You are still saying that Sproul is speaking for God.
@@thegreatgazoo7579 Sproul simply is explaining what the Apostle Paul is speaking about in Romans 9 and what the bible says in many other places. That means Sproul isn't speaking authoritatively but rather is depending on the authoritative Word of God. In contrast, the Arminian theology starts from a worldly perspective of free will which is trying to somehow save God from an evil character...Let God be God. He does not need your help
Exactly!
Monergism is actually very simple, but difficult for prideful men to accept as true. A prideful man takes pleasure in the idea that he had something to do with his salvation. A humble man simply thanks God for his demonstrated mercy and grace.
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Total Inability or Total Depravity-Fall of mankind, the world-our human spirits are dead toward the living God of the Bible- Dead means dead. 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only to make us born of God/from above.
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly have any repentance, faith, trust, believe in and for the
gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his
heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it
is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he
cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm toward HIM. Consequently,
it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to
Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit, THE LORD makes the sinner
alive and gives him a new nature, becoming a new creature in his/her spirit.The human spirit and God the Holy Spirit become and are one. Biblical Bible (OT and NT) Faith, Believing,Trust and Repentance is not something man
contributes to or towards salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of
Salvation which He Himself is - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to
God.
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Unconditional Election-God fulfilled every jot-and tittle before HE created the universe and all that is therein has been created, made and put together. All we were and all sins deleted in our stead, in our place, as our substitute, for the "us."100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the
foundation of the world/universe is only of/from HIM and does rest solely in His own sovereign will. His
choice of particular sinner in all of human history since the fall was not based on any foreseen response or
obedience on their part, such as Biblical Bibel faith, believing, trusting repentance, etc. On the
contrary, God gives faith, believing, trusting and repentance to each individual whom He
selected/elected/chose/predestinated/ordained/called effectually ,etc. These acts are the result/outcome, not the cause of God's choice.
Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any
virtuous quality or act foreseen in mankind. Those whom God sovereignly
elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing
acceptance, choosing etc of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the
sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation,which HE HIMSELF is.
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Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement-100% only for those who are written in the book of the Lamb of God in eternity, the everlasting and the forever. Before the universe and everything in it was ever made and created.100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God as a gift.
Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect/chosen/predestinated/called,etc only and
actually secured 100% Salvation for them which cannot be lost once obtained in time on Earth. His death and resurrection to Life unto all eternity was a substitutionary
endurance of the penalty of all sin/all fallenness in the place of certain specified
sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's
redemption secured everything which is necessary for their Salvation, including
faith,believing, trusting and Repentance,etc which unites them to Him. The gift of faith, etc (above) is infallibly
applied by the Holy Spirit to all for whom Christ died and rose again. Therefore
guaranteeing their Salvation.
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The Efficacious Call of God the Spirit or Irresistible Grace-100% Roped and pulled in, drawn in, compelled by God alone, 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to
everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a
special inward call that inevitably brings them to Salvation. The
external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be, and
often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to
the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion/Salvation. By
means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to
Christ. He is not limited in HIS work of applying Salvation by man's
will, nor is HE dependent upon man's cooperation for success/Salvation. The
Spirit graciously is the cause and effect in the elect sinner to as a result cooperate, to believe, to
repent, etc (see above) to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace
therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the Salvation of
those to whom it is extended/given(gift)offered,etc.
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The
Father chose a people/persons from among the Hebrews and the Gentiles for whom the Son/Messiah died and rose again for them only. The Holy Spirit makes
Christ's death effective/efficacious by bringing the elect to faith and
repentance, etc (see above) thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (predestination, election, redemption, regeneration,
glorification,etc) is the work of God and is by PT and NT (Same Salvation) grace alone. Thus God, not
man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of Salvation.
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Guaranteed preservation and perserverance of the Saints-100% guarantee of absolute perserverance-100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."
God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.
Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies
"PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS."
Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns. Don't think otherwise.
Is there any hope for Christians without this doctrine? We don't need to be "scared to heaven." We need comfort. Because we know that if it were up to the Christian to remain saved, he would never be able to do it. You know yourself!!!! There is no power in me apart from God's grace.
Well Jeremiah 5319, by your own definition then, that must make you a very humble person. Am I right?
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36)
Great verses!
@@mattloyselle9218 Thanks. Here's another similar passage:
"The creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of *him* who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:19-21, ESV).
"Creation" includes people BTW:
Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15).
If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17).
In Christ, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails but a new creation (Gal. 6:15).
God is love and knows what He's doing!
@AVB2 Good question.
Short answer: It depends.
Long answer: "When I say, quite properly, 'All the beer is warm', I don't mean that all the beer in the whole universe is warm, but rather something like that all the beer in this room is warm, as is seen by the fact that I can continue the sentence by saying something that implies that there is cold beer elsewhere: 'All the beer's warm, so let's go to the kitchen and get some cold beer.' So how can it be suggested that 'all' always means all? (But how can it be that 'all' could fail to mean all?)
What's going on here is that the quantifier phrases of natural language ('all', 'most', 'some', etc.) are to be understood, on an occasion of use, relative to a contextually determined domain. Thus, when I say, 'All the beer is warm', the contextually determined domain is the things in this room, so 'All the beer', in context, means all the beer in this room. So there is some sense in which 'all' doesn't always mean all: On some occasions of use, 'all', or 'all the F's' means all (or all the F's) within a limited domain. But, relative to that domain , 'all' really does mean all (without exception): My sentence 'All the beer is warm' turns out to be false if there is some cold beer that I failed to notice in the room.
But when the domain is limited, there has to be some fairly clear clue as to what the limited domain is. When 'all' is used in the New Testament, as in 'For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God,' and similar passages, the 'all', I take it, refers to all people. It could possibly refer to some restricted class of people, but that suggestion is to be rejected, b/c (a) there is no such restricted class that clearly presents itself (all the people in this room?), (b) it's incumbent on a speaker to make clear what the class is if he means for it to be specially restricted and no specially restricted class clearly presents itself given current conversational intents and purposes, and (c) the NT doesn't specify any such specially restricted class. So, 'All have sinned' means that all people have sinned, as almost all would agree.
But similarly for the 'all's of the universalist passages. No restricted class of people clearly presents itself, and the Biblical writers aren't so incompetent as to mean some specially restricted class of people that doesn't clearly present itself without specifying or somehow making it clear which class they mean. Indeed, in I Corinthians 15:22 and Romans 5:18, each of the relevant 'all's occur in the very same sentence (and a fairly short sentence, to boot) as an occurrence of 'all' that seems to refer to the whole human race (given that it's the whole human race that died/was condemned in Adam), so it would have been especially misleading or even incompetent for Paul to mean something less than the whole human race there, since that would involve switching the domains relative to which his claims should be interpreted without warning in the middle of a single sentence -- and a sentence that seems to be stressing the parallelism between its two clauses, for that matter. So I see no reasonable alternative but to conclude that these 'all's refer to all people."
--Keith DeRose, _Universalism and the Bible_
Also, "God has consigned *all* to disobedience, that He may have mercy on *all."* (Romans 11:32) contains two "all's." This makes it very likely that both "all's" should be understood the same way. I'm not aware of anyone who believes that the first "all" doesn't apply to everybody. Thus, the same is true of the second "all."
And your point is that all will be saved?
@@montyeason3973 Yes, I believe everybody created in the image of God will be saved.
A lot is riding on this: In the dozen or so verses where hell, the lake of fire or destruction is said to be "eternal," "everlasting" or "forever," it's based on the Greek word _aionios._ If you google "aionios" you'll find many opinions about its meaning. There are excellent reasons to believe it should be translated "of an age." The adjective _aionios_ is derived from the noun _aion,_ which means "eon" or "age." Eons and ages are long but *finite* periods of time. The very literal Rotherham's Emphasized Bible version translates _aionios_ as "age-abiding." Young's Literal Translation says "age-during," which means during an age.
To be sure, most people will have to endure the lake of fire ordeal first, but here's what will happen to them there:
FIRE PURIFIES
The Greek word for fire is _pur._
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*BRIMSTONE (SULFUR) ALSO PURIFIES*
Pre-Roman civilizations used sulfur as a medicine, a fumigant, a bleaching agent and in incense.
The ancient Greeks used sulfur to fumigate, to purify, to cleanse and consecrate to the deity.
For example, in Homer's _Iliad,_ in Book 16, a goblet is purified with sulfur.
For example, in Homer's _Odyssey,_ in Book 22, we find: "Bring me sulfur, which cleanses all pollution, and fetch fire also that I may burn it, and purify the cloisters."
The Romans used sulfur as an insecticide, and to purify a sick room to cleanse its air of evil.
For millennia, gold has been refined with fire _and sulfur,_ because of its ideal chemical properties. ( ruclips.net/video/4lHWv4zM7iA/видео.html )
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The Old Testament has many refining metaphors: Deut. 4:20, 1 Kings 8:51, Psalms 12:6, 66:10, Prov. 17:3, 25:4, 27:21, Isa. 1:22-27, 48:10, Jer. 9:7, Zech. 13:9, *Mal. 3:2-3.* They should inform how we think about fire in the New Testament. Jesus even offered to sell gold refined by fire (Rev. 3:18). This shows that he too was thinking about refining on the day the book of Revelation, including its lake of fire, was born.
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"But who can endure the day of his coming, and who can stand when he appears? For *he is like a refiner's fire and like fullers' soap.* He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and *he will purify* the sons of Levi and refine them like gold and silver, and they will bring offerings in righteousness to the Lord." --Malachi 3:2-3
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*Connecting the Dots: The metaphorical lake of fire will punish **_and refine (purify)_** the unrighteous. All will eventually be saved. God is love (1 John 4:8,16). Jesus is the Savior of the world (1 John 4:14, John 4:42). His mission was to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10), and he never fails.*
It is more beautiful to comprehend that GOD chose me before the foundation of the world than to believe that I chose HIM to come into my life to be my SAVIOR. You love ME because I loved you first, HE demands loyalty to HIM and when you come to comprehend that HE chose you before the foundation of the world the least that we can do as human beings in this wicked world is be loyal to HIM no matter the circumstances or situation at hand. We LOVE HIM because HE LOVED us first… for does who have ears to hear let them hear what THE Active living word of GOD says to HIS GLORY Amen…
In the original Greek, predestination is always written in the plural form. God destined the Church before the foundation of the world, not individuals He would save. He predestined that whoever believes will be a part of the Church that He predestined. Calvinism is nothing but a modern pharisaical belief system using modern terms. "We are the chosen, and everyone else is already damned." That is what the Pharisees believed. And, Jesus spoke against them because of that very mindset, and the fact that they prevented others from entering into the kingdom who DESIRED to enter. Calvinism is a doctrine of devils, and that is exactly what Jesus would call a Calvinist today, as well as a white washed tomb and brood of vipers. I hope some of you will understand that!
@@graftme3168 No. We are predestined to be conformed to His image, which is to be born again, which is to be saved.
It is your secular humanism disguised as Christianity, which is the doctrine of devils.
I’m confused. I thought Jesus was offering salvation to all who come to Him in faith.
What does Rev. 22:17 mean then?
Rev. 22:17 The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!”
Whoever is thirsty, let him come; and whoever wishes , let him take the free gift of the water of life.
15 For He says to Moses, "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION."
16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy.
17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH."
18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. (Romans 9:15, NASB)
@@hectorramgon7429 Amen. It does not depend on him that willeth, but on God's will.
It is God's divine right to exercise clemency wherever he so desires. Thank you Mr Sproul. For this explanation. Now I can be at peace with myself.
Of course God is Sovereign.. only the devil and proud ppl want to argue about divine Election..
Can Dr. Sproul guarantee that you are one of the Elect? I guarantee that Anyone who CHOOSES by the Free-will that God has given us, to put faith in Christ shall be saved! Jesus said that He came that the World (EVERYONE) might be saved! It's sad that Dr. Sproul can give comfort to " a few ", but not to all. The GOOD NEWS that he preaches limits his Sovereign God to even " OFFER " salvation to ALL! This kind of false doctrine is one of the enemy's of hindering the witnessing of the GOOD NEWS OF CHRIST, that is not just for us, but for the sins of the whole world! WAY TO GO SPROUL!
From what I gather from Sproul, the majority of us are getting nowhere near heaven. Then why did Christ die for our sins?
@republica7337 According to calvinism (Sproul), Only a few will enter Heaven because God chooses at random whom He will save, and God chooses at random whom He will not save, which is the majority.! This is a false doctrine. Jesus teaches that He died for ALL humanity, and offers salvation to All through faith in Him, yet Jesus says that Few will accept this free gift of salvation, but it is offered to All Humanity! And we ALL have free will to choose. Sproul is a calvinist, and calvinists teach the opposite of what Jesus teaches! BEWARE OF ALL CALVINIST PREACHERS! THEY ARE WOLVES IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING!
your god is evil
I always think of this doctrine in light of the verse , “It’s not God’s will that ANY should perish.” Then whose will is it that some would perish? Their own. I’m a simple person. Even my will to be saved is aided by God, the Holy Spirit.
You are not quoting the scripture correctly, and therein lies your problem. Read the WHOLE verse of 2 Peter 3:9 -- Peter specifically states it is to "us-ward" which is the Church. NOT to the entire world. God is not willing that ANY who are saved will perish, but all who are saved will come to repentance. We know that Peter is addressing the church specifically, because he says so in the opening salutation in 2 Peter 1:1.
Thank you so very much for sharing this teaching on the doctrine of election which is delivered in such a concise and easy to comprehend manner. While the truths expounded here had been birthed in my mind for many years, my attempts to articulate them. at one time, were less than sufficient. While teaching an adult Sunday Bible class, I had a dear brother in Christ with whom I often socialized, who gave the standard "foreknowledge of those who respond to the gospel favorably" as God's determining factor for election. Partly because I was ill prepared that day and partly because of who purported the notion, my mind went blank and I simply said, "No, that's not the case," and went straight to Paul's example of Jacob and Esau. Dr. Sproul had a wonderful way of laying out the truths of our doctrine in terms that are both easily understood and readily retained. I am what is often demeaningly referred to as a lay minister: not educated by means of institutions created by man, as if man is better at such than God's word and His Spirit of holiness. That same designation could be applied to many efficaciously dynamic and fruitful Saints/ministers of the past (yet I fall very short even of them). Although, as I listen intently to those holding doctorates in theology, I make full use of their references to many Christian works of the past which expound sound doctrine. I find those books and men, then avail myself to study them without paying someone to tell me I should study them (chortle); from the ancient greek philosophers to Augustine to the reformers and puritans, etc, etc. God has been preparing my mind for service. Sort of stuck momentarily in John Owens' Mortification of Sin. Prayers much appreciated.
So you think is ok that God choose people for hell and people to heaven?
I may be incorrect, but Augustine only started stating that people were chosen, elected in the later 12 years of his life. The church was against that teaching.Calvin did base his new theology on just this later period of Augustine.
@@Giani5171 Yes. It is difficult to accept with our earth bound, finite minds, but it's what the bible very clearly teaches. I resisted it too at first. I hope you'll prayerfully study with a yeilded mind and ask God to reveal it to you. No matter what, may He bless you.
@@Giani5171 it doesn't matter what we think, but yes. All that matters is what has been revealed to us via Holy Writ. One of God's attributes is omniscience.
There is nothing stopping God from saving everyone. Jesus was a successful savior of the world!
It has to do with his freedom to choose, not our. He choose NOT to save everyone.
@@ernestojlassus1354OH really? Book, chapter, and verse to support your assertion. I'll wait.
Because God made the way exclusive. @@1974jrod
@@1974jrodRC says it a 13:30 in this video. Romans 9:15 referencing Exodus 33:19. It doesn’t get more clear, or more sovereign, than that.
@Lonesoul9791 Try reconciling the explicitness of John 12:32 with what you offered.
God is the only sovereign. He was,is, will be, doing anything and everything according to the good pleasure of his will.
Just submit to him; no other way.
He , He alone is our true happiness,joy, delight.
Amen. In His sovereignty, He gave us free will to choose to believe or not.
Man does not have a "free" will.. man has inherited a "fallen and evil" will, that must be born again, thru the Holy Spirit
Sproul teaches that you cannot submit to Him. Just hope that He chooses you. Research calvinism.
Amen! Praise Christ for this biblical teaching by the late Dr. R.C. Sproul. ❤
It is IMPOSSIBLE to read his many incredible books without hearing his unique voice in my mind... Believe me, I've tried.😊 I even hear his pauses and stressed words.💜✝️💜
God added to the church daily Such as should be saved
Acts2v47
I, personally, have never met anyone that doesn’t agree that God came to them first. Regardless of their theology.
In 1976, when I was 13 years old, I had a wide awake, real, in full color VISION of the Lord's Return...
We lived out in the country in the middle of dusty plowed fields, dirt roads and woods in south Georgia. Everything looked kind of brown and crispy, like it needed rain bad. The corn field across the road in front of the house was starting to turn brown and die.
I went to my bedroom, which faced out the front side of the house and looked out onto our front yard, which had a semi-circular dirt driveway and beside the left entrance was an old dogwood tree which had to be at least a hundred years old. Highway 341 ran from east to west in front of our house, which faced north, and the cornfield I spoke of earlier was on the other side of the highway. There was a slight rise in the middle of this field and you could not see the trees on the other side, so it looked like an ocean of corn that went off into the horizon.
As I lay across my bed looking out the window, contemplating what I saw before me, I began to hear music in the distance. I specifically heard it in my right ear and the direction from which it came made me think of the high school band which practiced several miles southeast from where I lived. When conditions were right we could hear the band playing, but usually only heard the faint beat of drums. This sounded like trumpets and as I was thinking this to myself, I began to notice the music getting louder and louder, coming closer and closer, very quickly.
Within a few seconds the sound wasn't just something that was exterior, but it was inside my head as well, reverberating throughout my entire body. It was so loud and it sounded like lightning crashed directly over my head and, in that split second, the trumpet sound thundered throughout my body and throughout the entire world...everything went dark and my bed and the earth shook violently.
In a flash, I was no longer lying on my bed, but I was standing outside my bedroom window in the front yard and I beheld the scene in front of me with tremendous awe. It was still my front yard, only now everything was different. It seemed as if my entire range of vision was a huge 3D movie screen and I was in the middle of it.
The trumpets continued to sound and I saw that the blue, sunny sky had turned black and the clouds churned and the wind blew with a violence that I had never experienced. The corn field was now a sea of wheat that was golden brown and ripe for harvest and I could see every stalk of wheat individually, billions of them. And I watched as the wind thrashed the wheat until it was beaten down by the storm. I now know that the Bible speaks several times about, in the end time, when the wheat is ripe for harvest, how the wheat will be separated from the tares. The tares are gathered and bundled together for burning and the wheat is gathered into the barn.
Then I noticed the dogwood tree. It was mid-July, so of course I know there should not have been any blossoms on it, they usually bloom around Easter...but the tree was in full bloom. I had never seen anything like this. You couldn't see any leaves on the tree because of the millions of dogwood blossoms. It looked as if it were lit from within, by a glowing whitest of white, neon light and it glowed gloriously against the darkened sky. Now, I know the Bible says no man knows the day nor hour that Jesus will return, but if we watch for the signs, we can know the season. I have always felt that He might come back in the spring when the dogwood tree is in bloom. Of all the things that could have been highlighted in a vision; why the dogwood tree? I believe there is a specific message here. (Update: recently, I prayed about this and I feel the Lord placed into my spirit that this represents the fullness of the gentiles coming in).
Just as I was taking all of this in, lightning filled the sky and the trumpets thundered over head again and in an instant there appeared two angels. They were dressed in white robes, facing each other up in the air and blowing golden trumpets. They were huge and filled the sky in front of me and I knew that the entire world must be seeing this as well. When I say huge, I mean like the size of the highest mountains, literally.
I didn't think the trumpets could get any louder, but they grew louder still, building to a great crescendo and I heard a great shout that was louder than anything that you could imagine. And with that shout, it's as if the earth fell silent, the black, violent clouds began to roll back onto themselves from the center of the northeastern sky and I saw light in the distance. It was more a combination of light and clearing of the clouds in the distance that got my attention. As I looked up at this shaft of light and clearing sky, I saw what seemed to be fluttering and movement in the distance. As it came into view, I saw Jesus on a white horse and behind him were millions of angels and saints on white horses. It was at this moment, when I realized what I was seeing, that it disappeared and I was back in my room lying on my bed. Everything was back to normal and I was again looking out at a bright, sunny day.
So eloquently and vividly described....thank you.
I wish I had had that experience. But God has shown me visions and dreams that came true and I have felt His present and experience His healing of Hiv and Hep C. God is real and does what He says in His word.
"Sunny day" = is all i got from those ten thousand words
Did you have mushrooms for supper?
Visions and dreams from God are absolutely real. I know i have had them also.
Sound teaching from God’s word on this foundational truth. It does not diminish God’s glory. Remember we are all headed to hell because of our sins against God. God in his own free will and out of love chooses to save some. Listen also to John MacArthur’s three part teaching on the doctrine of election in Scripture. Thank you RC.
MacArthur is deceive and full of DEVILISH GUILE.
He worships the fatalistic and very poisonous flower of TULIP CALVINISM.
I dont care who you are. If its in your heart to seek Him, He chose you. But do it the right way, completely give yourself to Him. Tell Him to do with you whatever pleases Him, offer yourself and everything you have up as a sacrifice to Him, and you shall be favored, taken care of, and, the best part, you get His presence.
well that is the hope..won't happen of course..just wishful thinking.You die and do not come back to life...amen
@@johnpro2847 If you knew that for sure you wouldn’t waste your time alive to tell someone else their opinion that doesn’t concern you is false. You know God exists but strive to suppress the knowledge of the truth you so can give yourself to vanity and pleasure, which you also know ends in death. You simply hope to not have to face God and answer for it, through its clear you will. Take no hope in this world, for it’s fading quickly…
1.
Total Inability or Total Depravity-Fall of mankind, the world-our human spirits are dead toward the living God of the Bible- Dead means dead. 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only to make us born of God/from above.
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly have any repentance, faith, trust, believe in and for the
gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his
heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it
is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he
cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm toward HIM. Consequently,
it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to
Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit, THE LORD makes the sinner
alive and gives him a new nature, becoming a new creature in his/her spirit.The human spirit and God the Holy Spirit become and are one. Biblical Bible (OT and NT) Faith, Believing,Trust and Repentance is not something man
contributes to or towards salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of
Salvation which He Himself is - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to
God.
2.
Unconditional Election-God fulfilled every jot-and tittle before HE created the universe and all that is therein has been created, made and put together. All we were and all sins deleted in our stead, in our place, as our substitute, for the "us."100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the
foundation of the world/universe is only of/from HIM and does rest solely in His own sovereign will. His
choice of particular sinner in all of human history since the fall was not based on any foreseen response or
obedience on their part, such as Biblical Bibel faith, believing, trusting repentance, etc. On the
contrary, God gives faith, believing, trusting and repentance to each individual whom He
selected/elected/chose/predestinated/ordained/called effectually ,etc. These acts are the result/outcome, not the cause of God's choice.
Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any
virtuous quality or act foreseen in mankind. Those whom God sovereignly
elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing
acceptance, choosing etc of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the
sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation,which HE HIMSELF is.
3.
Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement-100% only for those who are written in the book of the Lamb of God in eternity, the everlasting and the forever. Before the universe and everything in it was ever made and created.100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God as a gift.
Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect/chosen/predestinated/called,etc only and
actually secured 100% Salvation for them which cannot be lost once obtained in time on Earth. His death and resurrection to Life unto all eternity was a substitutionary
endurance of the penalty of all sin/all fallenness in the place of certain specified
sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's
redemption secured everything which is necessary for their Salvation, including
faith,believing, trusting and Repentance,etc which unites them to Him. The gift of faith, etc (above) is infallibly
applied by the Holy Spirit to all for whom Christ died and rose again. Therefore
guaranteeing their Salvation.
4.
The Efficacious Call of God the Spirit or Irresistible Grace-100% Roped and pulled in, drawn in, compelled by God alone, 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to
everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a
special inward call that inevitably brings them to Salvation. The
external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be, and
often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to
the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion/Salvation. By
means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to
Christ. He is not limited in HIS work of applying Salvation by man's
will, nor is HE dependent upon man's cooperation for success/Salvation. The
Spirit graciously is the cause and effect in the elect sinner to as a result cooperate, to believe, to
repent, etc (see above) to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace
therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the Salvation of
those to whom it is extended/given(gift)offered,etc.
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The
Father chose a people/persons from among the Hebrews and the Gentiles for whom the Son/Messiah died and rose again for them only. The Holy Spirit makes
Christ's death effective/efficacious by bringing the elect to faith and
repentance, etc (see above) thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (predestination, election, redemption, regeneration,
glorification,etc) is the work of God and is by PT and NT (Same Salvation) grace alone. Thus God, not
man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of Salvation.
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Guaranteed preservation and perserverance of the Saints-100% guarantee of absolute perserverance-100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."
God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.
Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies
"PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS."
Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns. Don't think otherwise.
Is there any hope for Christians without this doctrine? We don't need to be "scared to heaven." We need comfort. Because we know that if it were up to the Christian to remain saved, he would never be able to do it. You know yourself!!!! There is no power in me apart from God's grace.
Gospel doesn't add that. First Corinthians 15, 1-5.
@siegfriedbartel7122 r u nsrcissistic?? This isn't the medium and you re proof texting. Bible defies your premise. Thief on the cross. Period. I defer to rev gene kim. Man what hubris to write a boring thesis in this medium! U r clueless. Let's state : sovereign not in kjv. For a reason!!!!!!!!!
Which view of God best shows his love and his hearts desire, and best brings him glory and honor? A) He creates humans that are by his own pre-determined will going to reject him, be lost, and suffer eternally because again everything is in accordance to his will, but yet in his goodness(the other certainly isn't called good) he pre-selects a few to save even against their own desire not to be saved which isn't even their desire since he determined it to be their desire. If people cannot choose to be saved(according to Calvin) then they sure as heck don't choose to be lost either. It's all on God. OR_ this view of God; the God who is NOT willing that ANY should perish but ALL should repent and have eternal life? THe God that JEsus shows who weeps over Jerusalem and says he was that mother hen who wanted(desired) that they all come to him for protection(salvation). If we arent tied to a certain mindset then it's pretty easy to see which view of God brings him more glory and honor. Any view that makes God to be some monster creating people for the sole purpose of damning them is the wrong view. But you do you.
@AVB2 So, if I understand you correctly, you are admitting that your view of God makes no sense, and you're perfectly fine with it? You believe that God doesn't want eveyone to come to repentance. THat his love is not for all. Like I said, you do you.
@@montyeason3973 Since when does God make sense?
2 Cor 5:21 "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God." Yup, perfect sense (to God only.)
If you want to be rich sell everything you have and give it to the poor. “Then Jesus, said to him, “Go sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven…" Matt 19:21
Lose so you can gain! “For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8
If you want to be exalted, humble yourself. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.” James. 4:10
If you want to be first, be last. “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:16
If you want to be strong, be weak. “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Corinthians 12:10
If you want to be free, become a slave. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.” Romans 6:22
If you want to live, you must die. “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 16:25
If God declares that all come to repentance ALL WILL COME TO REPENTANCE but God has never declared that all come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not WANTING anyone to perish, but that everyone to come to repentance." God does not WANT anyone to perish. God's perfect and revealed will is that no one will perish. Has anyone perished since 33AD? If so it was in God's secret will.
@@montyeason3973 Since when does God make sense?
2 Cor 5:21 "God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God." Yup, perfect sense (to God only.)
If you want to be rich sell everything you have and give it to the poor. “Then Jesus, said to him, “Go sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven…" Matt 19:21 Lose so you can gain! “For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ.” Philippians 3:8 If you want to be exalted, humble yourself. “Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you.” James. 4:10 If you want to be first, be last. “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.” Matthew 20:16 If you want to be strong, be weak. “For when I am weak, then I am strong.” 2 Corinthians 12:10 If you want to be free, become a slave. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.” Romans 6:22 If you want to live, you must die. “For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 16:25
If God declares that all come to repentance ALL WILL COME TO REPENTANCE but God has never declared that all come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not WANTING anyone to perish, but that everyone to come to repentance." God does not WANT anyone to perish. God's perfect and revealed will is that no one will perish. Has anyone perished since 33AD? If so it was in God's secret will.
@@AVB2-LST1154 God can also raise those that have parished. 1 Timothy 2:4 says that God WILLS all mankind to be saved and come to a realization of the truth. 1 Timothy 4:10 says that God IS the savior of all mankind, especially of believers (Not exclusively believers)
@@mattloyselle9218 1 Timothy 2:4 actually says "[God our Savior] desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth." He did not say I will save all of mankind only that He DESIRES to save all of mankind. CAN He save all of mankind? Yes of course He can. WILL He save all of mankind? Nowhere in scripture does it say He will save everyone. Actually He says He will only save a remnant in Romans 9:27 “Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, The remnant will be saved."
some how GOD said the people during noahs time were wicked, only noah and his family were deemed worthy of being saved and were put in the arc.
He and his family were pure blood....meaning not polluted by the blood of fallen angels.
@@innerlockbreaker3916 No all mankind including Noah and his family were descendants of Adam and Eve and were born into the sinful nature as everyone was. The fallen angles had little to do with tainting the entire human race for it was Adam and eve who did that when they disobeyed God and decided to be the god's of their own lives thus rejecting God Himself as their Lord. Sin in the human race increased to the point God had to destroy most all of them. But sin was still there and would always be until their was a sacrifice for it which was Jesus himself.
Sovereignty at work
@@innerlockbreaker3916ya.. but, you are missing the whole point of the original comment..
@@innerlockbreaker3916so = "the fallen" have no say in the matter.. no free will, nothing..
God's Holy Sovereignty reigns Supreme
Anytime anyone labels their faith, theology, or doctrine as "REFORMED , APOSTOLIC, NAR, BAPTIST, METHODIST, PENTECOSTAL, and on and on, does not understand the the Gospel of CHRIST (Which is salvation through faith in Jesus's atonement. Romans chapter 1 verse 16, nor the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Which is the purpose of the Body of Christ in the earth! Mark chapter 1 verse 15. To be Lights in this dark world that whomsoever would, will believe in Christ and be saved and not perish. All these Labels make the Gospel of non-effect, by separating so-called believers, while the scriptures teach us that there is One Spirit, and Jesus said that the world will know His disciples by the Love that they have for one another. Calvinist teachings make the Gospel of non-effect, and so do all label-bearers. We are called to LOVE GOD WITH ALL OUR HEARTS MINDS AND SOULS and to LOVE OUR Neighbors as OURSELVES! Few will find it.
Yes. very true. I am so glad I can affirm what the scriptures actually say by listening to men like John Lennox and C.S. Lewis, Tozier and also Dr. Leighton Flowers (with his channel soteriology 101) and so many others who have left this misrepresentation of the word of god. They have brought me back to the scriptures and the amazing true character of God and all his provision and away from Calvinism. So many are leaving Calvinism because it is not the Gospel Jesus taught.
@@randyderksen4358 I feel you and am truly blessed to hear your commentary. I pray that many others see it and heed your your message, that they do not be led astray. May the Lord continue to bless you!
i believe there is NO religion in GODs eyes, only do you truly seek me & do you believe that my son jesus is your savior, so there is ONLY believers and non believers in jesus as your savior
@highlanderthegreat I love the way that you explained your assessment of the Gospel! 2nd Corinthians chapter 11 verse 3, speaks of the " simplicity that is in Christ! " I think your comment illuminates that important point. I think the more rhetoric, such as labels, titles, etc, serve to create barriers and walls of separation that diminishes the Spirit of unity that God gives to those who believe in His son. I'm blessed by your comment and truly hope it serves to open the eyes of many that are blind and deceived by the " traditions of men! " Blessings!
@@Brotheral-pb1oj many thanks for your IMHO = in my humble opinion ANYWAY ,kind words...
I enjoy many of Sproul's teachings. But after a while, I began to question calvinism, the unconditional election in particular. I don't disagree with God's sovereignty, but I believe that God is not only just but also loving. He wants everyone to be saved, He takes no joy when anyone perishes. The Bible also supports this view.
What about the millions and millions who never hear the Gospel? They never have a chance of salvation in your free- will theology.
@@chrismachin2166 According to your theology, they never have a chance of salvation either.
@@carlking8530 please Carl, if you reply to the question I put to you,I will give a full reply to the statement according to your theology “ they never have a chance of salvation either,”
God says He is not willing that any should perish, but for all to come to repentance.
2 Pet 3:9
@@lindahybicki5079 I will quickly explain. Who is the writer speaking to when he says this? Take a look at the opening verse in the chapter, “ Dear friends,this is now my second letter to you”…. . Let’s look at the first letter- 1 Peter. There is the opening sentences it says,”To God’s elect….who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father…”. Hope this helps in understanding the passage you quoted.
Great teaching. For those looking for the short answer, here it is. God does give us free will outside of salvation. God allows evil to exist and we have free will to choose between good and evil everyday. But when it comes to salvation we do NOT have free will. God chooses us, we dont get to choose Him. God calls us, draws us close to Him and he provides us with sufficient grace, belief and heartfelt repentence to enact salvation. God is an individual saviour and He will call you and draw you near on your own. If you have been through a mass born again production line ritual in an evangelical 'church' you are not saved. God doesn't do industrial complex soul saving. He does individual saving, justification and glorification.
So free will is made available to you for everyday choices, but not when it comes to salvation.
@AVB2 Amen 👍
This author agrees with you:
"What father holding his little girl’s hand crossing a busy street would ever let it go? The more she pulls, the tighter he squeezes. There is no way she is going anywhere! Is God any different? The argument that a person can choose hell by rejecting God as a result of 'free' will is in effect saying a little girl has more strength than her dad. God has given man a 'measure' of free will, but certainly not to the degree that He would allow him or her to damn themselves forever in torment. Is God less of a parent than we are (Matt. 7:11)?"
-- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ 2010, pg. 38
People can resist God for longer than a lifetime, but not forever:
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
@@tomm6167 At the end of your commentary, there are two groups of "all" which the scriptures make very clear.
First of all there is a heaven and a hell which means that "all" of humanity will not be saved. If that were the case then there would be no hell and there would only be heaven. Revelation.makes it clear that there is definitely a hell with the Lake of fire and throughout the Bible it is also made clear who is going into the Lake of Fire.
So, there are two groups of "all" that the Bible refers to. "All" the elect or chosen ones who are predestined to be saved and go to heaven. Then the second group of "all" are "all" of the rest of humanity or the non-elect. They are the ones who have heard of Jesus Christ and reject Him (they go to hell) and those who have never heard of Christ and they get judged based on what they have done. Some of them will be saved on the Day of Judgement and some will be sent to hell.
So, "all" of humanity is made up of two groups of "all". "All" the elect (predestination) and "all" the non-elect.
This is absolutely right on teaching in light of scripture
God gave me grace and mercy and bringing me into repentance. Change is difficult but if you can come through on the other side and do God's will be saved. Chosen ones. Amen.
Even those who refuse to accept the Sovereignty of God in choosing whom He will, do accept that He knows ALL things; He knows the FUTURE. So even they cannot answer why God would allow to be born those whom He KNOWS will go to hell. We have to simply accept that God knows what He's doing in choosing whom He will. I'm certain that we'll understand the wisdom of his plan when we get to be with Him.
But he's told us already who he will have mercy on:
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36)
Also see Romans 8:19-21, The Total Victory of Christ videos
I agree. The 'problem' of hell still exists. We must believe the Word and accept it in faith.
Simple and stupid ppl do not Have To "simply accept" God's Sovereignty..
*they can just keep on arguing with God, just like the dum dum devil keeps doing..
*the majority will not "end up with God"
*Jesus said: that "few" are they on the real narrow road to Heaven
@@lovealways2609 A question even non-Calvinists/Reformed should ask: Why does God allow to be born billions of people whom He KNOWS will end up in hell?
Sovereign God, our loving Father, we must trust in him who is the faithful creator. The Word is alive to make us according to Gods will. Thank you Lord for all good things Amen for the teaching of Gods Word.
How does God decide who to save? Sproul doesn't address this question. I guess he would have said, if pressed, I don't know. But Jesus says to you and me, "I stand at the door and knock, if ANYONE hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him . . ." Opening the door is an action on the part of the believer. Sorry, but what Sproul teaches here is contradicted by God's Word. And by Jesus, who told Nicodemus, "that WHOSOEVER believes in me will not perish . . ."
Exactly! Colossians 2:12. It is by faith we are born again by the baptism of His spirit. Romans chapter 1. Everyone has been given a knowledge of God through what has been created so no one will have an excuse for not believing. The capacity to believe and put our trust in God has also been given for all mankind. Faith is a gift from god and not from ourselves. It is, in essence, the capacity to open the door and follow - to choose. That capacity is also the freedom to reject the good news message.
In proportion to our abandonment of God are we taken care of by God. Therefore, we must surrender to the Will of God(Inner Christ) if we truly Desire to Discern the Movements of God within....
Remove the False Image of a ME separate and apart from God....
The Christ is the act of Eternal Life living Within its own Infinity, and becomes Demonstrable without through the Receptivity of the Crucifixion of the Self separate and apart from God....
The Christ is ALWAYS ALIVE IN US, but we must be Alive to the Christ....
We are either awake to good and evil(matter/mortality/false sense), or we are Awake to Divine Perfection(Spirit)....
When we are not attuned to Divine Consciousness(Eternal Life, Immortality, Truth), by default, we are attuned to Mortal Consciousness(karmic death, mortality, form, evil, etc)....
Every communication Unfolding from God within is to make the Spirit/Soul die to the Self, as the Purpose of the Soul is to take Dominion over the mind(the world that must be overcome)....
We must separate ourselves from the Mortal Delusion(s) of our Adversary, the World Mind and it's mortal thoughts....
The Christ Within asks one thing of us:
Crucify the Belief in a Me Separate and Apart from the Immortal, Omnipresent Spirit of God, as there is no more Glorious a Demonstration than the Transformation from mortal sense to Spiritual Immortality....
The massive wall we have built shielding us from our truth lies in intellectual concepts, also known as Graven Images of Mortality. What is of God is Infinite, and what is not of God is an Appearance of a False Image where Only God is....
Heaven is where you are, and the only place that you can ever be, yet Hell is the place that you insist on experiencing....
In the Bible, nothing is literal, religious, or historical because it was written by those of an Illumined Consciousness for those who the bible call JEWS, which are individuals who have come to the virginal realization that the Spirit of God is the Only Presence, and are actively working toward a greater Receptivity of this Principle. Israel does not refer to a location, but rather an Illumined Conscious State of Being, while Egypt is the Symbol of Darkness of Ignorance of Being. The Christ is not talking about Jesus(as jesus the human is nothing of itself, and can do nothing of itself. And if Christ talked about the form of jesus as a reality it would have been a lie), but rather the Conscious State of Awareness that knows the Infinite, Perfect Spirit of God is the Only Presence, that all will ultimately kneel to....
And we come to the practice of the Nicolaitans, which is the symbol of ALL RELIGIOUS BELIEF, which is what crucifies the Christ Within that's waiting for your Recognition, Realization and Receptivity....
We cannot glorify the Father, and glorify the flesh, or the sense of a personal Me separate and apart from God(including the flesh of jesus). Our Consciousness can not be divided in this. Either God is or God isn't the Only Life, and our experience is the Demonstration of either/or, depending on our receptivity to Life(Immortality), or Death(Mortality)...
Where there's a Me(human self-love and human self-will) separate and apart from God there is SIN.....
SELF...................S
INDULGED..........I
NUISANCE.........N
Me, not God, therefore, ME knows better than God, and because ME knows better, ME MUST suffer the consequences of ME mortal beliefs of a Life Separate and Apart from God!! ME must appear to suffer the mortal consequences of ME IGNORANCE of TRUTH of BEING....
He who Realizes his Life is the Spirit of God has Eternal Life! He then walks through the mortal appearance a Divine Being, in who the 5 Senses of Mortal Lies have been Impersonalized, therefore hold no power over him. His fidelity is to the Immortal Spirit he is, and no longer to the mortal illusion of life not of God....
We Must OVERCOME the Belief that we are not Immortal, Divine Being.....
To him that Overcometh the temptation of the tree of good and evil(belief in a mortal existence separate and apart from God)will I give to eat of the Tree of Life(ALL GOD IS/ETERNAL LIFE), which is in the Midst of the Kingdom of God(Omnipresence)....
Turn ye from the false images of the mortal world of man with breath in his nostrils, and Dwell in the Secret Place of the Most High!!
I HAVE OVERCOME THE WORLD....of the 5 senses of World Mind Belief, knowing they can only lie!!
I and the Infinite are One....
We are not a Christian until we know Christ(Infinite Perfect Spirit) is our Identity....!!!
The problem here Jeff, is you are attempting to hold God to your subjective standard of reason and favour. In your reasoning therefore, you attempt to hold God to account to your personal perceptions of what is fair and what is not. No man can do this, as we are earthen vessels made by the hands of Him whom we have to do. God created all things by Him, through Him and for Him, therefore it is up to God as to how the world operates, and He can chose to do with us as He pleases. David said the Earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the Earth and everyone in it in Psalm 24. Your personal subjectivity has no bearing on what God does or says. Did he consult you before He made the Heavens and the Earth? Read Job Chapter 38 from verse one, onwards.
@@Red_Sector_7 Actually, what I briefly stated had nothing to do with personal perceptions about fairness. What I did do, however, was quote the scripture. Mr. Sproul had a right to his opinion. I maintain that the action of the individual will determine his or her fellowship with Christ. There's nothing ambiguous about, "if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him." Christ extends his gracious invitation to all of humanity. According to scripture, not my personal preference, this is how His world operates because of who He is - not willing that any should perish but that all may come to repentance.
@@jefff1651 2 Peter 3:9 is ALWAYS taken out of context by those who don't like to quote the entire verse because it clearly states it is addressed to a specific group, and that group is the CHURCH. I address this issue above at the top of the comments if you care to read them. When Jesus says if 'anyone hears my voice' --- can 'everyone' hear His voice? Jesus addresses this in John 10, and most definitely ONLY those that the Father gives to Jesus are able to hear his voice. Let's read what Jesus says about this in John 10 because He directly states WHO hears His voice, and WHO are His sheep, and WHO gave Jesus those sheep:
But ye believe not, *because ye are not of my sheep,* as I said unto you.
*My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:*
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
*My Father, which gave them me,* is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. - John 10:26-29
So --- according to Jesus, ONLY His sheep hear His voice, clearly stated in verse 27. The Father GAVE Jesus His sheep according to verse 29, which are us today in the Church. And verse 28 assures us we have eternal life and shall never perish. You cannot refute the words of the Almighty. For context on God's will, it might help you to read Isaiah 46:10.
Wow!!!! R.C. is off the charts terrific!!! I have to listen several times to totally comprehend but when I do...I see I am nothing and He is everything AND He is good!
God knows who is going to be save and who is not, before the foundation of World. He left it up to each to make a choice, to receive Christ Jesus as their Saviour or reject His, those who receive Christ, He save, those who reject Him, they are lost, so it really up to the individual. Salvation is there for both.
Ephesians 2: 8-9 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
The verse clearly states "this is not from yourselves" meaning you have nothing to do with it it is what? "the gift of God" so that no one can boast. As RC said in the video if there was something you had to do with it you could then tell people "I did x, y, and z to get my salvation" which automatically means it is no longer by God's grace you are saved but of yourself which is not biblical. Psalm 3:8 clearly states "Salvation belongeth unto the Lord" it is his to give or not give it depends not on you.
John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
We see also here "No man CAN come to me" Jesus didn't say no one MAY he said no one CAN meaning you don't even have the ability to choose God unless what? The verse says unless the Father first draws you. Salvation belongs to God and no one else brother.
1.
Total Inability or Total Depravity-Fall of mankind, the world-our human spirits are dead toward the living God of the Bible- Dead means dead. 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only to make us born of God/from above.
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly have any repentance, faith, trust, believe in and for the
gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his
heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it
is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he
cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm toward HIM. Consequently,
it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to
Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit, THE LORD makes the sinner
alive and gives him a new nature, becoming a new creature in his/her spirit.The human spirit and God the Holy Spirit become and are one. Biblical Bible (OT and NT) Faith, Believing,Trust and Repentance is not something man
contributes to or towards salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of
Salvation which He Himself is - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to
God.
2.
Unconditional Election-God fulfilled every jot-and tittle before HE created the universe and all that is therein has been created, made and put together. All we were and all sins deleted in our stead, in our place, as our substitute, for the "us."100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the
foundation of the world/universe is only of/from HIM and does rest solely in His own sovereign will. His
choice of particular sinner in all of human history since the fall was not based on any foreseen response or
obedience on their part, such as Biblical Bibel faith, believing, trusting repentance, etc. On the
contrary, God gives faith, believing, trusting and repentance to each individual whom He
selected/elected/chose/predestinated/ordained/called effectually ,etc. These acts are the result/outcome, not the cause of God's choice.
Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any
virtuous quality or act foreseen in mankind. Those whom God sovereignly
elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing
acceptance, choosing etc of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the
sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation,which HE HIMSELF is.
3.
Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement-100% only for those who are written in the book of the Lamb of God in eternity, the everlasting and the forever. Before the universe and everything in it was ever made and created.100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God as a gift.
Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect/chosen/predestinated/called,etc only and
actually secured 100% Salvation for them which cannot be lost once obtained in time on Earth. His death and resurrection to Life unto all eternity was a substitutionary
endurance of the penalty of all sin/all fallenness in the place of certain specified
sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's
redemption secured everything which is necessary for their Salvation, including
faith,believing, trusting and Repentance,etc which unites them to Him. The gift of faith, etc (above) is infallibly
applied by the Holy Spirit to all for whom Christ died and rose again. Therefore
guaranteeing their Salvation.
4.
The Efficacious Call of God the Spirit or Irresistible Grace-100% Roped and pulled in, drawn in, compelled by God alone, 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to
everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a
special inward call that inevitably brings them to Salvation. The
external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be, and
often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to
the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion/Salvation. By
means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to
Christ. He is not limited in HIS work of applying Salvation by man's
will, nor is HE dependent upon man's cooperation for success/Salvation. The
Spirit graciously is the cause and effect in the elect sinner to as a result cooperate, to believe, to
repent, etc (see above) to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace
therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the Salvation of
those to whom it is extended/given(gift)offered,etc.
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The
Father chose a people/persons from among the Hebrews and the Gentiles for whom the Son/Messiah died and rose again for them only. The Holy Spirit makes
Christ's death effective/efficacious by bringing the elect to faith and
repentance, etc (see above) thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (predestination, election, redemption, regeneration,
glorification,etc) is the work of God and is by PT and NT (Same Salvation) grace alone. Thus God, not
man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of Salvation.
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Guaranteed preservation and perserverance of the Saints-100% guarantee of absolute perserverance-100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."
God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.
Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies
"PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS."
Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns. Don't think otherwise.
Is there any hope for Christians without this doctrine? We don't need to be "scared to heaven." We need comfort. Because we know that if it were up to the Christian to remain saved, he would never be able to do it. You know yourself!!!! There is no power in me apart from God's grace.
No your statement is in complete contradiction to God's word that was just present here and is in His word. Salvation is up to God alone. Since every human being is born into sin the sinful nature and is spiritually dead and blind, then how do they decide to seek God if they cannot see God due to their spiritual blindness? They cannot. God's word say no one seeks God not one! It is only due to the intervention of God drawing them to Him/Jesus that brings them from darkness to His light. This is all in His word and is very clear to those who have the Holy spirit and discern the spiritual things of the bible with the help of the Holy spirit. For without the holy spirit no one can discern the things of the bible as they are spiritually discerned.
@siegfriedbartel7122 TULIP is what you have been taught by Calvinist false teachers. It is man centered philosophy based on Maniachian Gnosticism, Augustinian views of predestination and election, and Pelagian presuppositions of free will. Calvinists must deny Scriptural authority so Calvinism can make any sense at all. It is a serious heresy. It has nothing to do with biblical Christianity. It is garbage. It has another god, another christ and another gospel. Be very careful with Calvinism. It is WICKED!!!
I commend R.C. Sproul for his lifelong diligence in pursuing the knowledge and understanding of Scripture.
But great knowledge does not necessary translate into great understanding.
This is the case with R.C.'s sermon about how God decided who to save...
How can RC understand who our Lord Jesus decided to save when RC did not understand who the objects of our Lord Jesus's wrath and glory were.
Therefore, RC committed himself to preaching a gospel that was no gospel at all much less the Gospel.
...So, then, as to our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus's eternal Gospel...
The Lord Jesus had an eternal plan for mankind to be His future eternal sons and daughters before the creation of Creation.
In order to create His future eternal sons and daughters...
The fall of mankind through Adam was put in place through the Lord Jesus's eternal plan for mankind in order to create for Himself sons and daughters who were made in His image.
In order to be truly made in the image of our Lord Jesus, it was required by design that all of mankind through Adam come to the knowledge of good and evil molded together with free will.
It was for the very purpose of creating sons and daughters who were made in His image and knowing that sin and death would ensue to accomplish that design goal that the Lord Jesus predestined Himself to be murdered by His own future eternal sons and daughters in the most tortuous and ignominious manner on a cross...
It was through the Cross that our Lord Jesus reconciled His future eternal sons and daughters back to Himself...
That is, through the Cross, mankind's sins that followed Adam were justified by the Lord Jesus Christ.
It was through the Cross then that the Lord Jesus's righteousness was revealed by forgiving all of mankind's sins committed following Adam.
It is through the revelation of what the Lord Jesus did for His future eternal sons and daughters on the Cross that the consciences of men will be seared into repentance on the Day of our Lord Jesus.
Indeed, then, it was through our Lord Jesus Christ alone that the Lord Jesus's eternal plan of redemption of mankind was finished on the Cross...
It is just as our Lord Jesus Christ declared while hanging on the Cross...
“It is finished.”
Therefore, it is through our Lord Jesus alone that redemption came to all of mankind...
Having redeemed mankind through the Cross it was through the Lord's resurrection that the Lord Jesus revealed to mankind and to all of the rulers and authorities in the heavenlies above and the earth below His eternal Gospel of salvation for mankind...
That is, from generation through generation since Adam, the Lord Jesus's future eternal sons and daughters have been coming to the knowledge of good and evil molded with free will.
This process of Creation will continue until that last generation, when the full number of the gentiles whose names were written in the Book of Life before the creation of Creation have come to fulfillment.
Then, during that final generation on a day and hour unknown, the Day of the Lord Jesus will come upon all of mankind and Creation like a thief in the night at the last trumpet sound...
On that day, the Lord Jesus will be revealed in all of His everlasting glory, and all of the Lord's sons and daughters will be made known to all of Creation.
So, on that Day, the Lord Jesus will be revealed in all of His everlasting glory...
In that moment the consciences of mankind will be seared through the Lord's glorious appearance so that at the Name of Jesus, every knee will bow, and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father.
In that moment, our Lord Jesus will be made known to mankind as the only One through whom the Lord's eternal sons and daughters were saved.
Indeed, the gate is not just small, and the road is not just narrow, that leads to eternal life.
That gate is singular...
Every future eternal son and daughter goes through our Lord, God, and Savior Jesus.
Then, on that Day, the eternal sons and daughters will be made known to all of Creation...
In a flash, in the twinkling of the Lord's eye, all will be made incorruptible, and all will be made immortal.
On that Day, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 will be fulfilled...
"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed- in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
“Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Then the Lord's eternal sons and daughters, together with their Lord Jesus, will live forever in a new heavens and a new earth.
...The Lord Jesus put in place His eternal Gospel before the creation of Creation.
Therefore, it was by the Lord Jesus's sovereign grace that He did all of that for us, who are His future eternal sons and daughters.
What a Gospel the Lord Jesus has made known by His sovereign grace to those whom He predestined to believe even while still living in this perishing world...
Truly then, all might, honor, and glory belong to our Lord Jesus, who is God over all to be forever praised.
God already decided, before the earth was created...
That was my reaction to the headline. Reformed believers say it isn’t a question of whether He will, it is that He already has.
9 Wherefore we LABOUR, that, whether present or absent, we may be ACCEPTED of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
2 Cor 5:9-11 (KJV)
Amen
Then He had to create hell for those he did not choose. But scripture says very clearly hell was created for Satan and his angels. Man was not chosen for hell.
Yes, he sent His son to redeem the world.
God knows who will be saved or not.
@@cindyrehder1164 your correct partly, hell was created for satan and the fallen angels but you choose, where you want to spend eternity by accepting the Lord Jesus as your Savior or believing the lies of Satan
Though this is true it's still the fact that Jesus said whoever comes to Him He will not cast out, God knows the intents and hearts of man and for any who (choses) to examine their hearts to see if they are true believers in the faith but to also ask God to examine our hearts to see of there be any wickedness in our hearts and if so to come to Him humbly and in humility to grant us a heart of flesh and to renew us a righteous spirit the Holy Spirit. It's interesting how the are only a few who understand this are truly humble but the worldly are blind so this explains why God has mercy on whom He will have mercy and hardens whom He will harden. Let's not get all this confused by bringing in what's fair and not fair there's a reason why God knows the hearts of mankind!
To me the easiest way to understand predestination is the verses about the Potter and the clay God is the Potter we are the clay the clay can never demand anything. ALWAYS The Potter's choice as to How, When, Where, Who and Why!!!❤✝️❤
If a potter made a pot that was alive and could think, then he would NOT have the right to destroy that pot. Do you think that parents have the right to kill their children, because they made them? Neither does God have the right to do bad things to people, like send them to hell.
But would the potter make billions of pots, and say that he doesn't desire that any should be destroyed...... Then go destroy most of them?
@@thegreatgazoo7579 Friend this is blasphemous and you must repent. Scripture says clearly:
Romans 9:19-24
[19] You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” [20] But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” [21] Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? [22] What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, [23] in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory-[24] even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? (ESV)
Please turn from heresy and trust what God says. You are denying the clear teaching of God's inerrant Word.
@@johnwood7650not if he brings them back in the end.
The clay CAN demand that Bible prophecy be fulfilled, such as ...
"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22,28)
"As one trespass [Adam's] led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness [Jesus'] leads to justification and life for all men." (Rom. 5:18)
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Rom. 11:32,36)
"...every knee shall bow to me [God], and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom. 14:11)
" ... at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2:10-11)
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
"And every creature which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth I heard saying, 'Blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits upon the throne and to the Lamb forever.'" (Rev. 5:13)
"O you who hear prayer, to you shall all flesh come. When iniquities prevail against me, you atone for our transgressions." (Psalm 65:2-3)
"All your works shall give thanks to you, O Lord." (Psalm 145:10a)
"I will not contend forever, nor will I always be angry; for "the spirit would grow faint before me, and the breath of life that I made"." (Isa. 57:16)
"The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end." (Lam. 3:22)
Also see John 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Rom. 5:19-20, 8:19-21, Eph. 1:10, Phil. 3:21, Col. 1:20, 1 Tim. 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Pet. 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Rev. 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Rev. 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalm 22:27,29, Isa. 25:6-8, 45:22-25, Lam. 3:31, Ezek. 16:53,55, Mal. 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos.
It still says GOD is not willing that any should perish but that All should come to repentance.
The vessels of wrath were the Israelites who rejected their salvation. Jesus condemned them, and destroyed their temple, city and priesthood, for their rejection. The vessels of mercy are the Gentiles, who have been offered salvation based on the Nation of Israel's rejection. God has predestinated, from the foundation of the world, that all those who believe in Christ will be saved.
Romans 11:11-36 From this account of Paul, they're hardened for a period of time for our sake. But one day, they will truly see that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of their tradition, culture & hope (atonement for sins & offerings of thanksgiving, law & prophets, a deliverer-salvation, promised land, etc.) These are God's revelation of himself, first to the Jews, then to the Gentiles. His promise to the patriarchs will never be broken. (v28 As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.) Christians have more in common with them in terms of the knowledge of God revealed to them through the OT. When they sing the Shema & Psalm 121, Christians can't help but see the similarities. But we must pray that they'll share in our NT understanding that Jesus Christ, is the fulfillment of what the prophets have been trying to find out & waiting for.
Errant view of this passage to make it say what you want it to say. That reading makes the chapter nonsensical and it is not what Paul is saying.
Please repent and turn to Christ's Word as your instruction!
@@mr.f6912 Maybe he was predestined to be errant. Don't get mad at him.
@@mr.f6912 You are correct in your statement. Many have this same error in understanding doctrine. You are also correct that Paul never said the vessels of mercy are specifically Gentiles only, but those whom God had made 'unto honour', as we see in Romans 9:15-23. Amazing how some folks just dont read the Bible.
@@David24476 He wasn't he was honestly correcting him in the true meaning of the word of God which only those with the Holy spirit can discern because it is spiritually discerned.
He chose me to Know Him so He will Know me too. Not how I used to live but how I live in Christ.
Know me as His Disciple who Loves Him and keeps His Word because I love Him.
For to become a "believer" (in Jesus Christ / Yahusha) it is necessary that God "touches" you.
No argument can make from an "unbeliever" a "believer": God has to "touch" you and only after that, you can become a "believer" (learned from a sermon of Derek Prince).
Makes that after learning this, I feel very much pity for people who absolute do not want to "believe", no matter which arguments you give them to do the opposite: they are simple unable to become a "believer".
Most people do not want to belief in God!.So make your choice now 'for the bible says 'Today is the day of salvation..Jesus died for those who will belief in His existence and that He died for all whom obey in His word! The bible says if you reject God He will reject you.Choose.life for He is the living water! And read John 3 vs 3 -5.Be born again..a mind change to serve God in truth and righteousness!Repent from sinning .People make the gospel so difficult as if you study for a degree.
Romans 9-11 has a very happy ending:
"God has consigned all to disobedience, that He may have mercy on all. … From Him, and through Him and to Him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36a)
Amen. Saved by Grace.
yes.. true facts..
Ephesians 2 : 8 - 9
Ephesians 2:8, For by Grace are you saved Through Faith; one receives Grace thru what?
@@cindyrehder1164 God shows both mercy and grace, but they are not the same. Mercy withholds a punishment we deserve; grace gives a blessing we don’t deserve. In mercy, God chose to cancel our sin debt by sacrificing His perfect Son in our place (Titus 3:5; 2 Corinthians 5:21). But He goes even further than mercy and extends grace to His enemies (Romans 5:10). He offers us forgiveness (Hebrews 8:12; Ephesians 1:7), reconciliation (Colossians 1:19-20), abundant life (John 10:10), eternal treasure (Luke 12:33), His Holy Spirit (Luke 11:13), and a place in heaven with Him some day (John 3:16-18) when we accept His offer and place our faith in His sacrifice.
I don't thinke you're saved.
@@jimfoard5671 she's saved, and so are you.
I want Jesus to Save me
He already did
WHOSOEVER WILL>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amen. And those who will are those who God has elected before the foundation of the earth! Praise God! Ephesians 1 and 2, John 6 and 10, Romans 8 and 9, 1 Peter 1!
God put that in there first
Whosoever( all believing one’s)- does everyone have the ability to believe?
@@chrismachin2166That is a great question!!!
The blessing of God was not reguarding salvation but what “nation” was choosed to carry the seed of the Messiah. Kind of Isaac and Ismael story….
I believe there is more to this point than was explained though. Does not God judge the heart of the person, as well as having the foresight to know the full mind and characteristics of the person? Was David just anyone? Or Moses, Noah and Paul just anyone God picked randomly? or the diseased Lazarus, that went to Abraham's bosom while the rich man did not? Or the thief on the cross who asked Jesus to remember him, while the other thief did not? I feel there has to be something else involved here, not the works of the person, but the potential heart of the person that pleases God to choose them.
The problem with your way of thinking is that God would save people based on some goodness God foresaw in them. That way of thinking about it creates a problem because like Mr. Sproul just explained, It would take away God's divine right to show clemency to whomever he desires, by making Him subject to a creature that He has created. I just got it myself and I hope that you will get it and understand it the right way also. God bless you.
@@nca1952 Well why was Noah chosen, as an example? Was God going to choose just anyone on the planet at the time to continue mankind? There seems to be a co-incidence between the spirit of the person and which person God chooses to save. Did God not create anything because it pleased him to do so? So what if certain people pleased him for whatever reason, could not God take that into consideration of whom he chooses to save? God is not forced to choose these people, it is just that it pleases him and was his will to choose them.
God does not throw up red and black pegs in the air and whatever ones are ready. He decides to save because he feels like it. Sproul, I am sure is being chastised before the Lord as we speak.
Praise God forever
You are saved by grace through faith. As John MacArthur would say, stop trying to use your pea brain to wrap your head around this and just accept it. Gods Grace means you now have faith and to spread the good word. Nothing more nothing less. Move along. God Bless
Saved by Faith, Grace is our gift.
@@cindyrehder1164 Grace Leads to faith. God Bless
@BecamePneuma LOL AMEN.
That's what it should be, telling people the good news of Christ successful work.
AMEN (Ephesians 2:8, 9,10) GOD lets us know very emphatically that HE gives us the faith as a free gift to TRUST Christ as OUR Lord n Savior
Following the reformed logic: so its beautiful that God chose the FEW....so what is it then for the MANY he decided not to choose? How is this GOOD News?? This totally impunes the nature of GOD and therefore cannot be true.
Dude, you're the one who stuck in the word few! He has called, is calling, will call as many as the sands of the sea to him. Jesus is the firstborn among many brothers. If your desire is to be saved because you desire repentance ,you believe in the completed work of Christ, then God brought you to that place. Not you!!!! If this is you then congrats... praise God, you are predestined, you are the elect!
I believe God invites us but we decide if we will take the steps necessary to be saved. Calvinists are probably saved but their theology is a little bit screwy, but so is mine.
It would be tough being a Calvinists and never knowing if your are actually saved since you can't be sure you are the "elect" .... 😂
2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: [11] for so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
This is man's Way of trying to figure out God. We have Freewill. Please people do your own research, cause this is crazy
Matthew 18:12 *¶How think ye?* if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, *doth he not* leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, *and seeketh that which is gone astray?*
13 *And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep,* than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 *Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.*
Note that the sheep are already His flock.
@@jonnyfrench19 Do you believe that those who have already been saved can perish? I don't. So when Jesus said it isn't the will of the Father that one of these little ones perish, it pretty much has to apply to the unsaved. And I don't think Jesus is as upset about combining both in the same statement, because of the fact thst He wants to save them too. Our being sought out and rescued as already saved ones, is not so far from the fact that He would like to save the not yet saved.
@@lindajohnson4204 Correct.
I think the key is the “what if” Maybe it was a mystery even to Paul. Why not let the whole topic be a mystery? Let us rejoice in Christ and share His love with all!! We get lost with all the arguments and opinions and miss the simplicity that is in Christ!
And let’s not forget this is Paul’s wrestle about his own people the Jews rejecting Jesus and the Gentiles receiving Him.
I love what he brought the message to at the close. Praise be to God for His grace!
"Very difficult sermon to hear. I have done so many wicked things in my life, and I’ve delighted in them. I am a liar, a thief, completely addicted to pornography, and consumerism takes my eyes off of God and on myself. At one point in my life, I believe that I accepted Jesus into my life. However I quickly backslidden so hard and so fast, so many times I cannot keep track. Jesus was always a security blanket just to keep me out of hell and then we dance, we dance with the world, and we dance with Jesus, we juggle backwards and forward singing, then asking for forgiveness singing again, then asking for forgiveness while having
Luke warm hearts for whatever reason that I have no control over. I keep getting drawn back to God’s word and have a curiosity and hunger to consume it. Decisions I’ve made and actions I’ve taken would show no evidence of this hunger and curiosity. Is this the Holy Spirit trying to pull me from the world and draw me closer to Christ? Was it the Holy Spirit that helped me during colon cancer stage 3 The Holy Spirit still moves my heart and soul after hearing God’s word preached. I believe so. I know I deserve hell, and the lake of fire, but I also believe that our heavenly Father has given me grace, and a hunger, and curiosity to stay in His word and fellowship with Him. When I do not have fellowship with Him, I feel very depressed and like there’s something out of place in my life. Heavenly Father, let Your will be done. Perfect judgment, give grace to Your kingdom. Hallelujah. If not, it’s exactly what I deserve. I ask in the name of Jesus to have a repentant heart and to forgive me for my sexual immorality, lying, stealing, and using Your name in vain. By faith, I believe that You sent Your one and only Son to die on the cross for my sins and the sins of the world. I believe that these sins are under His blood and atoned for. Heavenly Father, keep me in Your mighty arms, humble my heart, break through my pride, and keep me in Your word. Whisper wisdom and counsel in my ears. Purify my soul, rejuvenate the Holy Spirit in me, so others may see the fruits of the spirit For your glory!
RC is so great at explaining such a hard truth! I am looking forward t meeting him.
You and I both. I Love Dr. R.C. Sproul. His teachings of the Word of God (Jahweh) brought me closer to Christ.
You may consider dressing lightly when you do meet him. The bible says that the temperature there is beyond the grid!
@rhondae8222 Sproul teaches that only God can do that. Guess you don't know calvinism!
@@Brotheral-pb1oj He was explaining Calvinism in the most rudementry way. Just like RC once said, “ If God sends me to hell, may there be no weeping Of gnashing of teeth.”
You know you really come across as a hater. Was that your intention?
@kathrynbriley4299 I probably did come across as a hater, and no, it was not my intention. Sometimes I can be too emotional. And it is possible that I do harbor hate in my heart for calvinists. Thank you for asking, because if I harbor hate, then I myself am worse than I make calvinists to be. I will honestly examine my self and and I open to repentance, and taking a new stance on " HOW " I critique other people's ministries. Thank you for your kind reprimand.
You are forgetting GOD'S FOREKNOWLEDGE. HE KNOWS
Everything. He knows who will accept HIS GRACE. BY HIS FOREKNOWLEDGE HE did predestinate
This was one of the worst arguments I heard to support predestination. God didn’t choose to hate Esau and love, Jacob.. Esau gave up his birthright for a bowl of beans, and Jacob was a deceiver who deceived Isaac into thinking he was Esau, whom the blessing of the first born son is to receive. This has absolutely nothing to do with predestination and everything to do with the free choice of the twins.
Now let’s keep going to Romans 10 and what does that chapter say?
Something about confessing with your mouth and believing in your heart, something about how can they believe if they do not hear. No beloved the door is open wide to all who believe. RC would’ve been better to use John 6:44, although he probably would’ve missed quoted that too. Look at the beginning of Hebrews, it states God who at various times, and various ways revealed Himself to man, well, that’s what’s going on with John 6:44.
Anyways, not here to bash. Just know beloved if you press into God He will press into you. If you reject God, He will reject you.
God is calling you to come out of the dark heresies of Calvinism and into the light of His Truth
Seek Him well you still can!
Ps.
As well, he states God is fair. Well, if God was truly fair, we would all be burning in hell after our last breath, for we all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God!
In a court of law, when you are guilty, you pay the penalty, that is the fair thing, and we all live in a society where if you break the law, you pay the fair penalty.
No, beloved, God is not fair, He is just, He is a God of His word, a God of mercy and grace. For RC to use a governors pardon, and compare it to God‘s mercy and grace is a total distortion of the justice of God.
Shall we tackle once saved always saved next.
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Amen bro. Calvinism is pure garbage.
@sonny6string822 you are forgetting the cross brother
I think I'll stick with RC and his experience. Not perfect but not the klutz you're making him out to be. I never would have believed in Calvinism before my regeneration. Now I totally agree. It's ALL GOD! 🙏😊🙏
@@mikemccormick9667 2Pt.3 States… 8 ¶ But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,fn not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
14 ¶ Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless;
15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation-as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
Again, beloved, I am not trying to bash. Would to God you would see the heresy that you are falling for.
Peace be upon you
The short answer to the short question as proposed in the video, is He saves those who come to Him in faith, believing that what He did on Calvary was sufficient to satisfy the debt they owe.
I think that God chooses those who will go to heaven (God is good, God is sovereign), but He doesn't choose anyone to go to hell (God desires all to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth).
Praise God!
What about the other group of people who God doesn’t show mercy on them but they don’t want to go to hell, what do they do,is there any hope
Those in the flesh are hostile to God,no one seeks after God,no one is righteous,no not one. They don’t want the triune God in their lives. Your human philosophy is not in sync with Biblical truth.
Don't you believe that lie. Satan wants you to believe there's no hope. Jesus Christ died on that cross for ALL. His purpose was to redeem mankind back to God. His ultimate sacrifice on that Cross, was to bring LIFE to a Dying world. Without Him there was no hope, but praise His holy name and for His sacrifice on that Cross We All have HOPE. He is the Way, the Truth and Life. Believe in Him today, make Him Lord of your life, and receive that wonderful gift of eternal life with Him. God bless you
@@cindyrehder1164 True Cindy, all who believe and put their trust in Jesus Christ will be saved. The belief that everybody has the ability to repent and believe is the problem. The Bible teaches no one can come to Christ unless the Father enables them.The undeserved gift of saving Grace.
@@chrismachin2166 Put your Scriptures in Context. If you choose not to humble yourself at the Cross, so be it, I'm following my Jesus He's the way home.
All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved. Choose this day who you will serve. And Jesus said your faith has made you whole. The Bible is replete with people making choices. Is God going to condemn those who trust in Christ because they weren't chosen?
We are all under the penalty of death due to our sin nature unless God shows us mercy. Jesus keeps all those given to Him by the Father.
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
By His Word
Paul makes it pretty plain in his letters
God elects certain persons based on his plan which is sovereign and give grace to others to come to him. This is my own view of God based on the scripture. He chose Jacob, Abraham, David, Paul, the 12 disciples based on His own eternal plan of redemption but God still give grace to all that will come to Him.
If it is true that God chooses to save whoever he deems fit to save, then what about the rest? Arent they chosen for hell? Their role being to do evil and therefore go to hell. The big question is this, "WHO IS SUSTAIN THE EVIL COURSE?" The position of calvinists is that God is doing just that. In essence, they are saying God is the author of evil and is continually sustaining it by all evil people he creates. That's what I get by default when I listen to Calvinist preachers like this one
Listen to R.C. a couple of more times....maybe it will help you.
My problem with this is that i cant reconcile how we are all sinners to begin with.. we are born into the sin nature, we can't help it, that alone seems unfair
I used to wonder the same thing. Here's what I've discovered. I hope it helps:
" *God* has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36)
Romans 8:19-21 is similar.
As the early church fathers taught, all will be well:
"As in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive ... God [will] be all in all." (1 Corinthians 15:22,28)
Also see: John 12:32, 17:2, combination of (John 3:35, 6:37), Romans 5:18-19, 8:19-21, 11:32,36, 14:11 , Ephesians 1:10, Philippians 2:10-11, 3:21, Colossians 1:20, 1 Timothy 2:3-6, 4:10, Titus 2:11, 1 Peter 4:6, 1 John 2:2, 4:14, Revelation 5:13, 15:4, 21:5,24-25, 22:2, combination of (Revelation 22:1,14-15,17a,17c), Psalms 22:27,29, 65:2-3, 145:10a, Isaiah 25:6-8, 45:22-25, 57:16, Lamentations 3:22,31, Ezekiel 16:53,55, Malachi 3:2-3, The Total Victory of Christ videos
God bless!
@tomm6167 wonderful! Thank you so much for this. I will work my way through these scriptures and pray the Holy spirit will enlighten me
The context of the scripture is concerning the predestination of God selecting the gentiles to have access to salvation and not through being a physical descendent of Abraham. It is talking about election of the Gentiles to the grace of salvation. That is who God has decided to have mercy on. Read the whole chapter in King James and make up your own mind
False teaching. Augustinian anthropology and not Christian. Very much teaching Gnostic doctrine and such be rejected
1.
Total Inability or Total Depravity-Fall of mankind, the world-our human spirits are dead toward the living God of the Bible- Dead means dead. 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only to make us born of God/from above.
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly have any repentance, faith, trust, believe in and for the
gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his
heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it
is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he
cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm toward HIM. Consequently,
it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to
Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit, THE LORD makes the sinner
alive and gives him a new nature, becoming a new creature in his/her spirit.The human spirit and God the Holy Spirit become and are one. Biblical Bible (OT and NT) Faith, Believing,Trust and Repentance is not something man
contributes to or towards salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of
Salvation which He Himself is - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to
God.
2.
Unconditional Election-God fulfilled every jot-and tittle before HE created the universe and all that is therein has been created, made and put together. All we were and all sins deleted in our stead, in our place, as our substitute, for the "us."100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the
foundation of the world/universe is only of/from HIM and does rest solely in His own sovereign will. His
choice of particular sinner in all of human history since the fall was not based on any foreseen response or
obedience on their part, such as Biblical Bibel faith, believing, trusting repentance, etc. On the
contrary, God gives faith, believing, trusting and repentance to each individual whom He
selected/elected/chose/predestinated/ordained/called effectually ,etc. These acts are the result/outcome, not the cause of God's choice.
Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any
virtuous quality or act foreseen in mankind. Those whom God sovereignly
elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing
acceptance, choosing etc of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the
sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation,which HE HIMSELF is.
3.
Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement-100% only for those who are written in the book of the Lamb of God in eternity, the everlasting and the forever. Before the universe and everything in it was ever made and created.100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God as a gift.
Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect/chosen/predestinated/called,etc only and
actually secured 100% Salvation for them which cannot be lost once obtained in time on Earth. His death and resurrection to Life unto all eternity was a substitutionary
endurance of the penalty of all sin/all fallenness in the place of certain specified
sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's
redemption secured everything which is necessary for their Salvation, including
faith,believing, trusting and Repentance,etc which unites them to Him. The gift of faith, etc (above) is infallibly
applied by the Holy Spirit to all for whom Christ died and rose again. Therefore
guaranteeing their Salvation.
4.
The Efficacious Call of God the Spirit or Irresistible Grace-100% Roped and pulled in, drawn in, compelled by God alone, 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to
everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a
special inward call that inevitably brings them to Salvation. The
external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be, and
often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to
the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion/Salvation. By
means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to
Christ. He is not limited in HIS work of applying Salvation by man's
will, nor is HE dependent upon man's cooperation for success/Salvation. The
Spirit graciously is the cause and effect in the elect sinner to as a result cooperate, to believe, to
repent, etc (see above) to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace
therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the Salvation of
those to whom it is extended/given(gift)offered,etc.
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The
Father chose a people/persons from among the Hebrews and the Gentiles for whom the Son/Messiah died and rose again for them only. The Holy Spirit makes
Christ's death effective/efficacious by bringing the elect to faith and
repentance, etc (see above) thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (predestination, election, redemption, regeneration,
glorification,etc) is the work of God and is by PT and NT (Same Salvation) grace alone. Thus God, not
man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of Salvation.
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Guaranteed preservation and perserverance of the Saints-100% guarantee of absolute perserverance-100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."
God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.
Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies
"PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS."
Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns. Don't think otherwise.
Is there any hope for Christians without this doctrine? We don't need to be "scared to heaven." We need comfort. Because we know that if it were up to the Christian to remain saved, he would never be able to do it. You know yourself!!!! There is no power in me apart from God's grace.
Apostle Paul was also a false teacher then.
@@siegfriedbartel7122The Bible doesn't support any of that Gnostic pagan Calvinist garbage. Calvinism is all smoke and mirrors and you've been fooled by Calvinist false teachers.
That's what I thought!! WTH don't understand how they do it. Unbelievable
All five points of Calvinism are Satanic trash.
God the Father chose to send Jesus to die for all. So believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved. All in Christ shall be saved. ☦️
There is no "doctrine of election" in Scripture. There are verses that have the word "election". But once you say "the doctrine of..." what you really mean is buying into some external authority's encapsulated conclusion about what they assume the Scripture is teaching.
And I personally find it sickening the amount "invented vocabulary" that Calvinists feel the need to create.
There is no mention of the word "trinity" in the Bible, yet all Christians have to affirm it. There are verses in the Bible that give Christians very good reason to talk about "the doctrine of the trinity," thus they use the term. The same could be said for calvinism or the doctrine of election. Whether you agree with the conclusion of calvinism or not, it would be wrong to forbid people from using the term "doctrine of election."
Look at it this way. God is omniscient and omnipresent. He knows everything that will happen before it happens. Therefore when he created us in the womb, he knew whether we would choose him or not. Consequently, he still created those he knew would not choose him with their free-will thus being the first cause of their damnation. So, no matter which way you look at it (God chooses us or we choose him), both salvation by election or free-will both end up in the same place! Either way God was the first cause of damning people to Hell.
@@tonyrussell5058 No verse of Scripture SAYS "God damns people to Hell" since NONE of the four original language words that got translated into Hell actually mean what comes to mind when you think of "Hell."
Bad translation never makes for good doctrine.
@@Faberministries I believe wholeheartedly in the Trinity, but the fact is that no verse of Scripture ever SAYS "All Christians have to affirm "The Doctrine of the Trinity" in order to be saved".
Again, whenever we say "the Doctrine of...", we're saying that all people must buy into a particular set of conclusions that the so-called "giants of the faith" have developed and organized into "the Doctrine of..."
I don't believe God judges human beings on where they stand on "the Doctrine of...(this or that)".
Remember: the more the so-called learned men organize and encapsulate things into a set of conclusions called "The Doctrine of..." the more they label anyone and everyone who doesn't quite agree with their conclusions as a "heretic" or "not saved". That's one of the reasons Church history is so bloody.
Is that really what Jesus said to do?
Well, I kept seeing the word “elect” and “election” in scripture and began a quest to understand what that meant. Both words combined occur 35 times. So, obviously it is an important topic. I think it is helpful to have a word that encapsulates the concept to provide a focal point for discussion.
Clearly, God chose the Jews to bless the world with the Gospel. The scripture states he chose them based on nothing good or bad about them. So, “unconditional election” is a perfect term to describe that concept as a concise point for discussion. It escapes the neccesity of having to always quote long tracts of scripture to convey the point.
RC Sproul was incorrect. God doesn’t choose whom to save or who goes to Hell. Every human has a free will to choose his/her eternal destiny.
As long as we agree that If we accept that Jesus died for our sins and believe he ressurected from the dead and defeated death you shall be saved.....and agree to spread the gospels we are commanded.....i dont think we should waste energy fighting eachother
No one can believe unless God brings them out of the darkness they are in to His light. Read His word on that for no one comes to Jesus unless the father draws them. Look that up period.
@@BANDIT198455 nobody is denying what u just mentioned ...we are still commanded to spread his word ..period
@@BANDIT198455 Mark 15-16 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.
@@BANDIT198455 we should do as we are commanded to do he will do the rest..God bless
@@davidjaramillo8282 YES BUT ALL CREATION DOES NOT MEAN ALL CREATION WILL LISTEN AND DOES HE MEAN PREACH TO THE ANIMALS ALSO. ALL CREATION? ONLY THOSE WHO GOD BRINGS OUT OF THEIR SPIRITUAL DARKNESS WILL HEAR HIS CALLING. AS NO ONE CAN COME TO JESUS UNLESS THE FATHER ENABLES THEM AND DRAWS THEM PERIOD. GOD'S WORD NOT MINE. SORRY MY CAPS WAS ON, NOT YELLING.
God chose all to be saved!
John 3:16
We have a free will to choose.
So his plan failed and Jesus' atonement was wasted ?
Martin Luther, the great Reformer, would strongly disagree with his great work: "Bondage of The Will"
Yep. God's prevenient grace provides us with a freed will which can choose God.
No one can come to me unless the father draws them to me, simply read Bible @@alennazarpour5020
Ok. So then make John 3:16 fit.
“Who so ever believeth in Him SHALL have ever lasting life.”
Are you saying it’s possible for someone to have faith in Christ and not receive Gods grace?
How does it fit together?
In the Greek it doesn't say whosever. It says "that the believing one"
it does not....this is false teaching
What kind of entity would plan for billions of people to be tortured for eternity, while choosing out a few who will be in heaven giving him praise and worship? You are in a cult to believe and defend such illogical, monstrous, cruel beyond any description,, explanation of who god is. Think about it, find the courage to honestly think about this story. You do yourself great harm in believing, or trying to believe, such crap. Take two steps back and stop off with your false confessions of being the lowest of the low, and entreating this god for mercy. Don't die in your lies.
Who knows the mind of God. Our thoughts are not his thoughts. He shows mercy on whom he wants to.
I have been predestined not to be a Calvinist
😂.... Yep, I'm just saved By Grace, Through Faith the gift of God, Not works..... I can't agree with Calvinism on Election.... God did not create evil and God does not tempt people to sin. He knows the outcome being All powerful and All Knowing .... But He doesn't Draft people into Heaven and Hell.... He gave us free will and we will own that when we stand at either the Judgement seat or the Mercy seat.
@@Phantom8589 Amen
Then why does 2 Peter 3:9 say that God is "not willing (note "willing" means in God's will) that any should perish, but that ALL (emphasis added) should come to repentance"? This verse clearly means that God wishes that everyone would repent and be saved. The Bible is clear that repentance is necessary for salvation. Elsewhere in the Bible, in Ezekiel 33:11, God clearly takes no pleasure in destroying the wicked. So if election is unconditional and repentance (i.e., our decisions and actions) isn't necessary, then why wouldn't God simply elect EVERYONE?? Not arguing, just seeking.
I believe the purpose of election has been misunderstood. It's not about who will ultimately be saved.
The *purpose* of election: "We [elect] are preparing now to rule and reign with Him in the coming ages (Eph. 2:7, 2 Tim. 2:12, Rev. 20:6), to govern five or ten cities (Luke 19:17,19), to sit on thrones governing the tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30), even to rule over all He has (Luke 12:43-44). Our Lord is preparing leaders for that time ... we [elect] are the firstfruits [2 Thess. 2:13, Jam. 1:18, Rev. 14:4-5] -- the priests and kings who will judge the world and intercede for the ungodly (lost) in this age and the ages to come. ... God does not merely settle for the firstfruits. They are but a pledge for the whole." -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ chapter 5, "Purpose of Election" section
The Bible says that God will reconcile all things to himself through Christ. (Colossians 1:20) I believe he eventually will, but it also says there is an elect group, but these aren't the only ones saved, but they have a special purpose, 1 Timothy 4:10 says that God is the savior of all mankind, especially of believers, not exclusively believers, its all a plan that has to play out in real time.
Yes God is "willing" that none should perish, but God has two wills, His revealed will that we read about in His word and His secret will that is only known to Him until it happens on earth. Question, is it EVER God's will that He would not only allow the murder of an innocent man but that it be done by God's foreknowledge and determined purpose? Exodus 20:13 says "Thou shalt not murder." How about bearing false witness? Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." Okay we have established that according to God's revealed will that murdering a man or bearing false witness against him is a sin and NOT in His revealed will. What happened to Jesus Christ? He was murdered after false witnesses accused him of blasphemy! But of course this COULD NOT be in God's will could it? Acts 2:23 "Him, [Christ] being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put Him to death." What? It was by God's determined purpose and His foreknowledge that He allowed "lawless hands" to "crucify and put Him to death." God is WILLING that none should perish but billions will.
*Election and Foreordination*
*“We believe God did foreordain and devise a PLAN from the foundation of the world by which He would SAVE man, and further, He did foreordain from the beginning, all men throughout the ages who would ACCEPT and BE WILLING TO CONFORM to this PLAN, should be SAVED; so that everyone in HARMONY with His power and liberty of choice who shall CHOOSE ETERNAL LIFE through God’s PLAN was foreordained to ETERNAL SALVATION.”*
*Revealed 115 years ago: “God is omniscient, all things being open and naked before His eyes. His wisdom is infinite. The foreknowledge of God is also absolute. We can tell Him nothing which He does not know, but His intelligent, infinite intuition comprehends all things past, present or future. This intelligence is perfect and absolute. Man analyzes things to find out their nature. God knows the nature without the analysis. How the foreknowledge of God is to be reconciled with man’s free agency and moral accountability is indeed to men in the world a dark problem, but in the Scriptures both are clearly taught, and faith accepts what reason cannot reconcile. Some of the churches on earth have DENIED man’s moral freedom. Others maintain that God in the exercise of His omniscience, like His omnipotence, abstains from knowing what His creatures will do under certain given circumstances, but the foreknowledge of God itself, UNREVEALED to men, does not impose nor even hint to men any course of conduct whatever; IT IN NO DEGREE AFFECTS HIS LIBERTY OF ACTION. Man neither sins nor follows holiness, as the result of God’s foreknowledge; so notwithstanding God’s foreknowledge, He has made man in His image, a free moral being.”*
God saves when one believe, confesses and repents. Otherwise preaching the Gospel of Salvation is senseless. What does Calvinism say about the nature of God who predestined some to Heaven and some to Hell? As men like Thomas Jefferson once said, double predestination is demonic.
God does not predestine people to hell. They choose their own eternity.
Sproul says that God saves whom he decides to save, period. What people decide is of no consequence. He bases this on what Paul said. Ok, you do not agree with Sproul. So what?
@@thegreatgazoo7579 So what you’re saying is that when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden, what they decided had no consequences.
@@michaelbirke6050 I am not saying that. Sproul is, isn't he?
@@thegreatgazoo7579What do you say? What does Sproul say? What do I say? What really matters is what God says. Personally, I don’t think Sproul preaches on The Doctrine of Election well. I’ve read hundreds of comments about this and one either accepts God’s sovereignty or they don’t. The core of the debate is that it’s not fair that God chooses whom He chooses. We probably could go on for hours about this. I wish not to.
The Elect are the Born Again Christian. He knows the Truth now
*Can anyone here show Biblical verses to prove God chooses people to go to Hell before time began ?? I am really interested*
There are none
We all deserve to go to hell, God did not have to save anyone after Adam. It's God's mercy and His mercy alone why we are all not consumed. We chose to go to hell, because we love sin rather than God.
@@dalvismorris4226 *Where are the verses to back the fact that God chooses men to go to Hell before time ??? Please provide*
@@biagiomaffettone1497 I'm not going to go back and forth with you, because you don't get the concert of the sovereignty of God. God have been warning since creation about the consequences of sin, so we choose to go to hell.
You did not get ask why God chose some to go to heaven, no you are placing the blame on God for our wickedness. Like I said, God is merciful be glad about this truth.
That is God's decision.
In the end, whatever God does - save everyone, save some, or save none - is right and good and just. Because God literally IS good. He doesn’t just do good things… He IS good. Literally. So maybe we don’t need to worry about it? Just tell people the good news. Jesus came not to bring the righteous judgement of God… but to bear the judgement of God. Jesus came to save sinners. Not condemn us.
JACOB, I have loved Esau I have hated. Daehn already knew. Esaus heart. He sold his inheritance for a meal. God did not force you want that. He gave him the choice and further hardened his heart throughout the Bible. All the choices were because hard. Heart
He ignores a lot of scripture that disagrees with his interpretation
Not so
Such ludicrous nonsense. But the tide is turning, and in another 20 years Calvinism will be fully discarded as idiocy.
this current world will most likely not even be here, anymore ["in twenty years"]
but, yes, this current world is getting worse and worse by the minute, so the true 'doctrine of Election' could be "outlawed" very soon, with drastic persecution inflicted upon it..
● Revelation 2 : 10 - 11
● Ezekiel 33 : 6 - 9
Heed the watchman..
@watchman blows the horn
Here's who God has decided to save:
"God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." (Romans 11:32, ESV).
"The creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:19-21, ESV).
God does not choose whom to save. God has given us a free will and we choose to accept the way of salvation or not. The only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ. Period. Again, we choose whether to accept his saving grace. Now having said this, because God is almighty, he knows who will choose him, and who won’t, but he will never infringe upon our free will. He may lead us to circumstances, to people, etc. to guide us to Christ,but the decision is ours. By faith are ye saved and not of works lest any man should boast. As you grow in God‘s word, works will come automatically. These works will earn rewards in heaven.
I would humbly recommend that you listen to and learn from RC prior to posting comments like this.
I learn from God’s Word
Martin Luther’s bondage of the will explains this well. People are dead in their sins and cannot choose to believe in God.
John 6 :44, "No one can come to me, unless the Father draws them , and I will raise them up on the last day."
Amen. Salvation is not complicated, man complicates it. Jesus tells us to choose Life, that is our choice. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, the only way!
God decides who to save based on this criteria:
"God has committed all to disobedience that he might have mercy on all ... From him and through him and to him are all things." (Romans 11:32,36)
The argument I have heard is . I don’t feel that is fair . The thing is God don’t care how you feel or what you deem fair . God has the right to do what He wishes with what is His and everything is His .
God uses what he said in the Bible - John 3:16
Why, then, does Jesus say, "Whosoever will, may come?"
God had a lotery before the Universe/world was created.
We are saved by grace.
By lot. Colossians 1:12
Ephesians 1:11
Soli Deo Gloria. *But… Are you sure you are giving the glory to Him?* When you distort the character of God by making Him look more like Shiva (the Hindu god of destruction), than that God of incredible love, patience and mercy from the Bible; The One who commands you to love your enemies and forgive them always!… Are you giving Him glory? Because... friend, let's be honest. A “god” who creates billions of souls to be sent directly to hell, without any option to save… is an extremely cruel god. He is not the God of the Bible.
When you tell a sinner that Jesus has only died for a tiny portion of humanity, and that it is very, very unlikely that he is among them; even though there are *several* texts in the Bible that claim that God sent His Son in ransom for humanity, because He doesn't want anyone to be lost... Are you giving glory to God? Sure?
Could it not be... That in the most hidden and deep part of your heart you are giving glory to yourself?
I will explain. One can easily feel special, even better than others, when he hears that he has been chosen by God.
Because a “god” who sends people who are better than you to hell… doesn't make any sense, right?
Without a doubt I must be better. No choice. God must have seen something special in me to not care about destroying billions of souls and staying with me. Because I take it for granted that you don't think that God saves his 4 chosen ones by lot, right? I hope not!
But there is a big problem, that “god” who chooses for something he finds in the person, is not the God of the Bible. He is no respecter of persons (Romans 2:11). That is, He does not favor or lean toward some people more than others for any particular reason or affection.
That is, for Him, you and all those who are going to end up in hell are exactly the same. Rebels. Sinners. Get this deep in your head. And repeat it to yourself, over and over again, until you really understand it. Because this is a serious matter.
But it is true that the Bible speaks that we have been chosen. But then? Based on what? How can God choose without violating His character and not based on anything that is in man?
Very easy. He opened the door of Eternal Life to *ALL of his creatures.* And he says *to ALL of us:* Do you want to enter with me? Those who freely answer “Yes” to that call, those whose answer He already knows before the foundation of the world, are His chosen ones. (Romans 8:29).
And certainly this speaks to us of a God of immense love. Love far superior to the human one, who easily makes preferences.
Let us be very careful, lest, pretending to give glory to God, we may be found liars. For the heart is wicked and deceitful above all things.
(Jeremiah 17:9)
If I be lifted up from the earth I will draw ALL men to me. Gods is not willing that any should perish but everyone come to repentance. Two reasons that reformed theology is false doctrine/teaching. Jesus and God give man the ability to choose him. Choose this day who you will serve. We are deprave, God reveals to us that we are deprave and gives us the ability to repent.
God didn’t choose who goes to Heaven and who ends up in Hell.
Your right he choose who he saves from hell
What is the Calvinist interpretation of:
"And I [Jesus], when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." (John 12:32)
Here's how God decides:
" *God* has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all." (Romans 11:32, ESV).
"The creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of *him who subjected it,* in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God." (Romans 8:19-21, ESV).
God chooses believers for service not salvation.
1.
Total Inability or Total Depravity-Fall of mankind, the world-our human spirits are dead toward the living God of the Bible- Dead means dead. 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only to make us born of God/from above.
Because of the fall, man is unable of himself to savingly have any repentance, faith, trust, believe in and for the
gospel. The sinner is dead, blind, and deaf to the things of God; his
heart is deceitful and desperately corrupt. His will is not free, it
is in bondage to his evil nature, therefore, he will not - indeed he
cannot - choose good over evil in the spiritual realm toward HIM. Consequently,
it takes much more than the Spirit's assistance to bring a sinner to
Christ - it takes regeneration by which the Spirit, THE LORD makes the sinner
alive and gives him a new nature, becoming a new creature in his/her spirit.The human spirit and God the Holy Spirit become and are one. Biblical Bible (OT and NT) Faith, Believing,Trust and Repentance is not something man
contributes to or towards salvation but is itself a part of God's gift of
Salvation which He Himself is - it is God's gift to the sinner, not the sinner's gift to
God.
2.
Unconditional Election-God fulfilled every jot-and tittle before HE created the universe and all that is therein has been created, made and put together. All we were and all sins deleted in our stead, in our place, as our substitute, for the "us."100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the
foundation of the world/universe is only of/from HIM and does rest solely in His own sovereign will. His
choice of particular sinner in all of human history since the fall was not based on any foreseen response or
obedience on their part, such as Biblical Bibel faith, believing, trusting repentance, etc. On the
contrary, God gives faith, believing, trusting and repentance to each individual whom He
selected/elected/chose/predestinated/ordained/called effectually ,etc. These acts are the result/outcome, not the cause of God's choice.
Election therefore was not determined by or conditioned upon any
virtuous quality or act foreseen in mankind. Those whom God sovereignly
elected He brings through the power of the Spirit to a willing
acceptance, choosing etc of Christ. Thus God's choice of the sinner, not the
sinner's choice of Christ, is the ultimate cause of salvation,which HE HIMSELF is.
3.
Particular Redemption or Limited Atonement-100% only for those who are written in the book of the Lamb of God in eternity, the everlasting and the forever. Before the universe and everything in it was ever made and created.100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God as a gift.
Christ's redeeming work was intended to save the elect/chosen/predestinated/called,etc only and
actually secured 100% Salvation for them which cannot be lost once obtained in time on Earth. His death and resurrection to Life unto all eternity was a substitutionary
endurance of the penalty of all sin/all fallenness in the place of certain specified
sinners. In addition to putting away the sins of His people, Christ's
redemption secured everything which is necessary for their Salvation, including
faith,believing, trusting and Repentance,etc which unites them to Him. The gift of faith, etc (above) is infallibly
applied by the Holy Spirit to all for whom Christ died and rose again. Therefore
guaranteeing their Salvation.
4.
The Efficacious Call of God the Spirit or Irresistible Grace-100% Roped and pulled in, drawn in, compelled by God alone, 100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
In addition to the outward general call to salvation which is made to
everyone who hears the gospel, the Holy Spirit extends to the elect a
special inward call that inevitably brings them to Salvation. The
external call (which is made to all without distinction) can be, and
often is, rejected; whereas the internal call (which is made only to
the elect) cannot be rejected; it always results in conversion/Salvation. By
means of this special call the Spirit irresistibly draws sinners to
Christ. He is not limited in HIS work of applying Salvation by man's
will, nor is HE dependent upon man's cooperation for success/Salvation. The
Spirit graciously is the cause and effect in the elect sinner to as a result cooperate, to believe, to
repent, etc (see above) to come freely and willingly to Christ. God's grace
therefore, is invincible; it never fails to result in the Salvation of
those to whom it is extended/given(gift)offered,etc.
Salvation is accomplished by the almighty power of the Triune God. The
Father chose a people/persons from among the Hebrews and the Gentiles for whom the Son/Messiah died and rose again for them only. The Holy Spirit makes
Christ's death effective/efficacious by bringing the elect to faith and
repentance, etc (see above) thereby causing them to willingly obey the gospel. The entire process (predestination, election, redemption, regeneration,
glorification,etc) is the work of God and is by PT and NT (Same Salvation) grace alone. Thus God, not
man, determines who will be the recipients of the gift of Salvation.
5
Guaranteed preservation and perserverance of the Saints-100% guarantee of absolute perserverance-100% All-Mighty Sovereignty of/from God only-100% gift only
The last of the five points of Calvinism teaches that God preserves His people so they can never be lost. To put it simply, it means this: "Once you are saved, you are always saved."
God's Word is full of proof for this beautiful truth. And though many deny it, and tell you that you can be lost and saved many, many times, and therefore can never be sure of your salvation, the Bible says otherwise. Talking about His elect sheep, Jesus said: "And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand" (John 10:28). See John 6:39, 17:2, 11,12; Romans 8:37-39; II Tim. 1:12; 4:18, etc. etc.
Some object to this doctrine because it supposedly makes men "carnally secure" in their salvation. That is, if I know nothing can make me go to hell once God has saved me, I will "live like the devil." There have been some who have used this beautiful truth as an excuse to live like the devil. But they are not Christians. Nor do they understand this truth. Because this truth also implies
"PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS."
Those who never fall away are saints. They are holy. And they are given power to live holy lives. They "continue in well-doing." Anyone who says he can "live like the devil" has not experienced the saving power of Christ and does not know the meaning of Philippians 1:6, "He that hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." God will continue working good works in us until Christ returns. Don't think otherwise.
Is there any hope for Christians without this doctrine? We don't need to be "scared to heaven." We need comfort. Because we know that if it were up to the Christian to remain saved, he would never be able to do it. You know yourself!!!! There is no power in me apart from God's grace.
The *purpose* of election: "We [elect] are preparing now to rule and reign with Him in the coming ages (Eph. 2:7, 2 Tim. 2:12, Rev. 20:6), to govern five or ten cities (Luke 19:17,19), to sit on thrones governing the tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28; Luke 22:30), even to rule over all He has (Luke 12:43-44). Our Lord is preparing leaders for that time ... we [elect] are the firstfruits [2 Thess. 2:13, Jam. 1:18, Rev. 14:4-5] -- the priests and kings who will judge the world and intercede for the ungodly (lost) in this age and the ages to come. ... God does not merely settle for the firstfruits. They are but a pledge for the whole." -- Gerry Beauchemin, _Hope Beyond Hell,_ chapter 5, "Purpose of Election" section
Most early church fathers' theology was far more positive:
"Christ saves all men. Some he converts by penalties, others who follow Him of their own will ... that every knee may be bent to Him, of those in heaven, on earth, and under the earth" [Isa. 45:22-23, Rom. 14:11, Phil. 2:10-11, Rev. 5:13] -- *Clement of Alexandria,* _Commentary on 1 John_
"When death shall no longer exist, nor the sting of death, nor any evil at all, then, verily, God will be All in all" [1 Cor. 15:28,55] -- *Origen,* _De Principiis 3:6.3_
"What else does 'until the times of universal restoration' signify to us, if not the aeon to come, in which all beings must receive their perfect restoration?" [Acts 3:21] -- *Eusebius,* leading historian of the early church, _Contra Marcellum __2:4:11_
"A few drops of blood renew the whole world, and become for all men that which rennet is for milk, uniting and drawing us into one." [Col. 1:15-20] -- *Gregory Nazianzus,* _Oration 42_
"Christ captured over again the souls captured by the devil, for that He promised in saying, 'I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto Me.'" [John 12:32, 1 Peter 3:19-20, 4:6, Psalm 68:18, Eph. 4:8-10, and maybe Matt. 12:29] -- *Athanasius,* _Expositions on the Psalms, 68.18_
"The peace [coming] from the Lord is coextensive with all time [eternity]. For all things shall be subject to him, and all things shall acknowledge his empire; and when God shall be all in all, those who now excite discords by revolts, having been quite pacified, [all things] shall praise God in peaceful concord." [Psalm 145:10a, 1 Cor. 15:28, Rev. 5:13] -- *Basil,* _Commentary on Isaiah 9:6_
"So the Son of Man came to save that which was lost, i.e., all, for as in Adam all die, so, too, in Christ shall all be made alive." [Luke 19:10, 1 Cor. 15:22] -- *Ambrose,* _Exposition on the Gospel of Luke 15.3_
"For the wicked there are punishments not perpetual, ... but they are to be tormented for a certain brief period, according to the amount of malice in their works. They shall therefore suffer punishment for a short space, but immortal blessedness, having no end, awaits them; ... the penalties to be inflicted for their many and grave crimes are very far surpassed by the magnitude of the mercy to be showed them. The resurrection, therefore, is regarded as a blessing, not only to the good, but also to the evil." [Isa. 57:16], *Diodore,* _De Oecon_
"Some among the wise and learned … have alluded to this in an enigmatic way, by adducing that God is not only just, but also merciful, and that it becomes the One who judges with justice to have sinners suffer in a measure that is proportional to their sins and then make them worthy of blessedness." -- *Theodore,* _Liber Scholiorum, 2:63_
"'All the kings of the earth shall adore him.' Some, indeed, in the present life willingly, but all the rest after the Resurrection; for not yet do we see all things subject to him, but then every knee shall bow to him." [The "kings of the earth" are rebellious unbelievers in Rev. 6:15, 17:2,18, 18:3,9, 19:19,21 ... but check out what happens in Rev. 21:24-27!] -- *Theodoret,* _On Psalm 72:11_
"Death shall come as a visitor to the impious; it will not be perpetual; it will not annihilate them; but will prolong its visit, till the impiety which is in them shall be consumed." [Matt. 5:26] -- *Jerome,* _On Micah 5:8_
"After the complete abolition of sin, praise shall be sung to God; which praise contain (implies) our being incapable of turning to sin ... when every created being shall be harmonized into one choir ... and when, like a cymbal, the reasonable creation, and that which is now severed by sin ... shall pour forth a pleasing strain, due to mutual harmony. Then comes the praise of every spirit for ever abounding with increase unto eternity." [Psalm 150] -- *Gregory of Nyssa,* _On Psalms, Tract 1, ch. 9_
Other church fathers who believed in eventual universal salvation include *Asterius, Bardaisan, Cyril of Alexandria, Didymus the Blind, Dionysius, Ephrem the Syrian, Gennadius, Hilary, John Cassian, John Chrysostom, Marcellus, Maximus the Confessor, Maximus of Turin, Methodius, Paulinus, Proclus, Titus of Basra & Victorinus.*
Sources: Thomas Allin, _Christ Triumphant,_ Annotated by Robin Parry edition, chapters 4-5, 1905 & Ilaria Ramelli, _A Larger Hope?, Volume 1: Universal Salvation from Christian Beginnings to Julian of Norwich,_ 2019
Sobering Truths.
It's God's World and at times He allows people to hate Him so their heart would get colder and they would be lost
His Nature is our Righteousness and if that Nature is not birthed in a person, no good work can equal that required Right-ness.
God Draws; God Saves.