so much empathy towards all of you for having an open dynamic and conversation about this- any form of bullying usually comes from internal struggles that doesn't make it right whatsoever- as someone who's been bullied it taught me to have empathy towards them- thank you for not being judgmental and knowing people make mistakes and can learn from them-as long as we hold ourselves accountable. its never to late.
I think you both handled this interview with such graciousness and poise.. I’m sure that was a really tough thing to do.. I genuinely don’t think I could have did it at all never mind as professionally as you did it! Anna you are such a genuine person ❤️ I just wanted to say well done... xxx
She is extremely manipulative....she is trying to convey that she is super nice and giggly to hide her past mistakes. She tried to own this and she really didnt. She avoided the questions about trolling and turned into questions about herself. I understand she was not in a happy place while she was trolling, and that she was brave to come on here for this, but I still do not understand WHY she did it. She was unhappy? A lot of people are unhappy and do not resort to trolling. Jonathan and Anna were very calm considering this girl had been so hateful for so many years. They did better than I would have.
I'm not sure if she's trying to be manipulative intentionally . I think she's extremely ashamed of her past and was trying to make a clear distinction that she has moved away from that.
And in response to trolling I think she kind of did answer the question from what I gathered She wasn't accepted when she was nice to then but then when she started trolling people accepted her and she felt a sense of belonging
I dont think that's fair to say she has narcissistic tendencies when that is a common misconception of ADHD, I dont think she was purposely trying to come across like that
He’s a great communicator! Visually and verbaly!!!!! I loved when he explained why they let their son dress the way he likes. He did a beautiful job, helped me to understand. These two are a special couple!!!!! So glad Jonathan found Ana, amazing couple their family is very blessed.
I feel like he understood her trouble of staying on top as they both have ADHD so he made sure to keep himself focused to make sure the conversation stays relevant
I agree, it couldn't be easy to face someone that caused so much harm to the people he loves. If only we could hear their internal dialogue throughout this chat! LOL
I would honestly be the same. I really didn’t like how she said she didn’t want people coming for her because she’s not strong but was happy to do it to someone else? No excuse for this behaviour as a 20 odd year old woman in my opinion.
@@bellaxox6008 but that would tottaly negate what he is trying to show to his audiaince the consiquances of what these people like her cause to someone's life .
I’m not a mother yet but it didn’t sit right with me when she said that “you need to do something while breastfeeding” to pass the time. It made me feel awful that while she was feeding and nurturing her baby who solely relied on her for nourishment, comfort, safety and protection, she was destroying a stranger’s life halfway across the world, which just seems so hypocritical. And it’s like she is feeding her baby hate, because that’s all she was doing in that moment and transferring it to her baby. It makes me feel sad that she felt the need to do that firstly, and that her baby received that kind of energy so young. As I said, I’m not a mother yet but I’m hoping that some day when I’m breastfeeding, I’m “passing the time” with more positivity and healthy behaviours.
You hit that nail on the head! And being a mom that has breastfed her babies, you can do so many other things while nursing. The most obvious being sitting there and bonding with baby and just being thankful for that amazing creation that believes you are the most perfect and complete person in the entire universe.
No, she doesn’t sit right with me seems full of excuses. I don’t blame Jonathan for keeping his guard up, Anna is so forgiving, this girl almost doesn’t deserve how nice and understanding she’s being
Same. The things she posted on that website are disgusting and unforgivable and I really believe that she played a big part in Anna's mental health in the past. I don't blame Jonathan for keeping his guards up.
I have very little respect for this ex-troll, regardless whether it was brave for her to show her face or not. But I have immense respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to sit and talk to someone who has caused them so much hurt.
She's narcissistic af. It's all about me me me. Trying to avoid questions. She still doesn't set well with me regardless. Good on you Jonathan for not letting this slide.
Anna is ready to be friends with her while Jonathan is ready to never talk to her again lol You can see and hear how angry he is with her even now. (Quite rightly)
@@discopumps girl it’s not just about “finances” , it could be mentally as well. You can clearly see how it effected especially Jonathan and how upset he is in this video. And the fact that she kept giggling and not answer the questions properly is frustrating. Just because they’re millionaires it doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to go through a rough time!
@@anonimysz yes you’re right. But is that an enough or justifiable reason for people to harass them? People can criticize them and hold them accountable when they do something wrong, but not try to ruin their livelihood even if they’re “millionaires”.
I’m sorry after watching this no one can say Anna isn’t a nice person, even face to face with someone who ruined her life and made her really sad she can be kind and forgiving! Well done Anna! Sending the love to you Anna! 😍😍
I think it’s going a bit far to say this women ruined Anna’s life. It really doesn’t seem like Anna cares much at all. They have a blessed life! They have never had to struggle for money since they started their channel. So what exactly has been ruined? I think Anna has thick skin and doesn’t let the negative things said about her get to her. And forgiveness is for ourselves not for others.
This video has touched a nerve with me. What upsets me is this woman's narrative about justifying her actions through her own life struggles. I would be more willing to understand her perspective if she gave direct responses to Jonathans questions. He asked a question and she reverted to lockdown and Covid? I can totally comprehend why Jonathan is less forthcoming in being friendly with this woman. Ultimately trolling is never ok and I appreciate Jonathan's point of view throughout this video.
But, we have to admit that she was brave and everyone deserves respect for recognizing their mistakes :) it was good. I hope some people doing these bad things right now watch this video and think about their actions and their life and I hope they find some peace and happiness inside them.
I totally agree with you. I also think some of his anger, is probably because of how much he saw Anna hurting at the time and it made him angry and he can’t forget that.
Way to go Jonathan! x Making her feel accountable for what she has done. Yes she may well be sorry now for what she did in the past but she needed to know how much hurt all her actions caused. I still cant believe that she did it for so long though. Jealousy is such a harmful thing. Well done for doing this guys and being so calm & professional about it. x
I see what she's doing. She's trying to be so likeable, so relatable. She's a reformed girl. She's your best friend. She calls Jonathan "Jon". I don't know Jonathan, but I have a feeling that _nobody_ calls him Jon.
The fact she had children and was trolling them is quite frankly disgusting, ive been and still am at a super low point in my life and ive never thought about going online and trying to ruin peoples life. but respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to talk to a troll.
Yeah I agree, I believe alot of the trolls even now have children though. I have read the forums and I would never join in and I want to tell them how awful they are and its normal family life just because they online for 10 mins of their day they are not seeing the whole picture, but nothing positive or against them is allowed on there apparently!
100% agree. plus she never really answers the question s.. i just cannot wrap my head around spreading hate comments and causing so much damage in peoples lives. especially as an ADULT like ???
Very well said. I too am at a very low point in my life, and I have never once thought to myself "I want someone else to feel as miserable as I do" or "my life sucks so I'm going to be hateful and cruel to this family and see if it makes me feel better" like seriously?! Who thinks that way?!
Hey Jen, I’m sorry to hear you’re going through a tough point in your life. If you need anyone to talk to, please know I’m here for you. My name is Han, I’m 20 (almost 21!) and currently doing a placement year whilst doing my degree. I just wanted you to know a little bit about me if you want to chat! If you do and you have Instagram please come and find me @hanboardman_ if you need anything at all x
@@hannahjade4180 what a sweet gesture! It's so nice to see people treating other people they don't even know so kindly! Now, I have to be a busy body and ask, what are you getting your degree in? I'm a teacher (4th grade), so I love to hear about people's schooling :)
she's a pro at avoiding questions , no sympathy for her at all .. constant excuses for putting this family through hell! definitely think she's proud of what she's done more than anything (saying she's repping guru gossip when she mentioned it), imagine having kids and this being how you chose to live your life honestly don't understand her at all
The respect you gave a woman who had aimed to destroy your reputation is really quite admirable. I could never be that nice to someone who’d done something that vile towards me. Really shows how amazing both Anna and Jonathan are as people!
Does anyone else think perhaps she’s actually “getting” what she craved??? One on one attention from The Sacconejolys? Being “featured” on one of their vlogs etc? I really enjoyed this PodCast but still feel like it was her inner troll craving that attention all these years later. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s honestly what I felt.
I think Jonathan felt the same way. That's probably why he said "or another form of trolling" before they started the conversation. It could have been just a grab for more limelight, but at least the conversation is out there and opening doors.
I get spoiled brat vibes. Never been told no, turns on the waterworks when she's finally called out in a desperate attempt for sympathy. How Jonathan managed to share his feelings calmly, I don't know. I'd have been down her throat!
I agree. All she does is deflect from herself and ramble on about crap no one cares about. Shes so sorry she won’t even remove the crap she’s posted online ? Like seriously 😐
This was difficult to watch. She's right about one thing - she's NOT likeable. She displays narcissistic tendencies. She did not grasp the reality of her actions in relation to Adsense until Jonathan pointed out the repercussions of what she did and how it impacted their family. I personally found it infuriating how she joked about how she reported your channel to Google . I think Anna was being too kind when she said she was beautiful. Anyone who behaves in that way is not beautiful on the inside nor the outside. I cannot fathom someone breastfeeding that (poor) baby and doing what she did and passing on that negative energy to her baby. She is clearly a damaged person and to her credit she has faced the music and is getting the psychological help she needs. Make no mistake she is not healed yet and has a lot of maturing to do; it takes years and years of therapy. She is on the right path though and to use the over-used term, it is a journey. Props to both you, Anna and Jonathan. You both handled this impeccably.
completely agreed. we need to be very careful watching this and disregarding years worth of abuse and bullying because of a few tears from the bully. i'm glad she's beginning to change and understand, but this is a long long process
It’s ok to forgive and move forward trying to be a better person. Every day is a chance to do better, she’s trying!! The world needs more nice people like Anna who chooses to believe in the good.
She still seems to proud of what she did and laughs it off. She caused so much damage and could have seriously harmed Jon and Anna's mental health. Imagine in the future if their kids see the nasty comments that these mindleas trolls have stirred up about their parents. I hope their kids don't suffer as a result.
I have so much respect for Anna, I couldn’t be that forgiving. I can see Jonathan really listening but holding back his real thoughts, he looks so hurt. I don’t think that behaviour can be forgiven. It’s just nasty.
@@ccap3211 very true. Anna has a beautiful heart, but shes so eager to make this woman feel good about herself, as well as not feel bad about what she did, that she's practically the one apologizing! I can see why itd be hard tho. She's a very caring woman. A mommy and dog lover to boot, and this woman before her is no longer just a faceless internet troll, she's another human being, a woman her own age with kids the same age, showing genuine remorse and sadness.... It's in her momma instincts alone to want to stop someone from crying lol I'm glad she has Jonathan to balance her out tho. I'm often too easily forgiving and from this I gather she is too, and if you don't balance it somehow, you soon have a bunch of people in your life stomping all over you, and no longer have time for your true friends, who got pushed aside without you even realizing it, because they didn't need anything from you, and the people you're so eager to help are occupying all your time!
This is literally the problem with having this kind of open dialogue. The woman couldn’t control her emotions because she’s HUMAN and made the point to say more than once to Anna not to feel bad because she’s crying, that it’s her taking accountability. If we can’t listen and forgive then the point of this entire exercise is completely lost.
If IT bothers You that someome crying that's something wrong with You. She regrets the choices that she made. I think she cries as a sign of emotion. She realized what damage she did do she cries.
Jonathan is amazing in this, he just cannot be dealing with her bullshit, this video just shows how compassionate Anna is and she wants to see the best in everyone, but I have been watching this 100% looking the same as Jonathan! Can't understand how anyone can choose to ruin a family's life - saying she got out before the crap started on the kids as if that makes it all okay?! Also, anyone else hate how she keeps calling Jonathan 'Jon' like she's his pal?!
I have no sympathy for her, she spent years trying to ruin these peoples lives and to sit there and laugh about it I don’t think she understands how she made them feel! Anna so just so forgiving but I’m with Jonathon on this one 🤍🤍🤍
Nervous laughter is a widely known and accepted phenomenon in psychology. She is not laughing about what she did. I think it is extremely uncomfortable and upsetting for her to sit there and talk about her past behavior. She is obviously ashamed of what she did. To have to face the very people she hurt is extremely uncomfortable but she is doing it anyways because she wants to own up to what she did and try to provide insight that others can learn from. It totally makes sense that she would laugh out of discomfort.
The breakdown during her divorce and subsequent therapy journey speaks volumes about what's at the root of trolling. If you’re spending time fixating on someone else’s life, you’re ignoring something greater in your own life. Accountability is a hard pill to swallow but it’s the first step to a healthier life. I hope more people watching this use today as an opportunity to change.
Yeah I feel like Jonathan was being really nice to her, especially since you could see that he is still really hurting about all she's done to them. I thought it was really good that he called her out on what she did, and indicated what the impact was of her poor decisions. It is admirable that Anna is so forgiving, but she shouldn't dismiss the fact that this girl has done a lot of damage to their family.
@@Anoukvdk I agree, I think it shows the difference in their personalities. Like I really admire how forgiving and kind Anna is but I feel Jonathan certainly has a more realistic response. They balance each other out nicely
There’s no excuse as a women in her early 20’s to be trolling anyone. I can kind of get it at 14/15 where you are a child and you think everything is funny but in your 20’s you know right from wrong. She chats so much rubbish and blames it on ADHD but literally ruined their lives and made them stressed and loose out on money. It just goes to show how trolls are usually so miserable in their own lives they have to take it out on everyone else.
@@estar7497 it’s also amazing though, it’s really not inherently negative but I don’t want to diminish that some people struggle because of it. But it also makes of capable of things that so many people aren’t
Jonathan doesn’t forget how these vicious trolls & guru gossipers have vandalised Anna’s car, left disgusting notes & stalked/harassed them at every turn. His income has been greatly affected due to a troll trying to impersonate Jonathan. I couldn’t forgive troll or guru gossipers that have done something that’s affected my income. Anna obviously isn’t as affected by the trolls & guru gossipers. Jonathan is more sensitive. Lilly seems to have learnt her lesson but the damage has been done. Don’t troll... change the channel instead. Everyone has a choice about what they watch. I’ve also been targeted by trolls & guru gossipers on Jonathan’s channel because I left positive comments, I was hounded. And at one point, the guru gossipers thought I was Anna & subscribed to my channel & left disgusting comments about my beautiful dog. They were relentless & it was very distressing for me. I had to change my channel name many times to try & shake them off. People who deliberately troll & guru gossipers are lowlife pieces of garbage.
couldn’t agree more i’m genuinely like shocked at how every questions she responds with an excuse about how difficult her life was! if she thinks hers was so hard why did she think leaving such hate would make anyone’s any easier! so sad :(
Wow - this is so insightful! As a content creator who also has / had a lot of trolls it’s fascinating to see such an insight.... and this has confirmed so many things I thought about trolls, specifically negativity attracting negativity. Very sad. But I am SHOCKED to hear that she would have turned up to a meet up. Would she have been horrible to your faces?! Would she have fangirled??? So interesting and incredible that you did this xxx
@@--8068 no im not particularly. I wouldn't go and verbally attack them but I wouldn't fan girl them and I do have many things I would like to say to Jonathan if the opportunity occured
@@Gohappygirl good to know! When I was bullied they seemed pretty consistent also, but it’s interesting to think about their being a slight difference in the two even though they are, at the core, the exact same thing.
I also don't think she cried because she felt bad for the money loss but that she was intimated by the way Johnathon spoke to her. I can be like that too. Also a tense situation amyway.
I love Anna and her constant wanting to see the good in people, but I’m so glad Jonathan actually spoke about what she did. And I personally was so angry when she tried to laugh it off when she ruined his income and gave him years worth of problems. There’s nothing to laugh about. I’m glad Jonathan was telling her straight. I don’t think she’s sorry at all
omg i thought this! Literally no one ever anywhere calls him Jon i think this is the first time i've heard him be called Jon. I immediately thought that maybe that's what they called him on the forum sites (because I know they often use strange nicknames for creators on there) and it just stuck and that's what she calls him. I remember i think in a draw my life way back in the day he talked about in his family history there was always the name John or a variation of that but he didn't like that for him he only liked Jonathon.. So maybe the trolls took that and ran with it??? Imagine if Anna referred to him as Jon in the vlogs we'd all be like...... who???????
This was so frustrating to watch. She is very manipulative and you guys handled this so well! I feel like she wants to look like she’s being really honest but really didn’t answer any of your questions. I respect you two so much. You handled this so well.
My blood pressure is rising with every giggle. I understand it's probably nervous laughter but what she did was inexcusable and I don't think she's holding herself accountable because she was avoiding the key questions Jonathan asked. I really respect Anna and Jonathan. They have gone through so much. People were jealous or unhappy with themselves and thought it would be great to destroy a healthy family. Wow! I see why I prefer animals over people.
This 'former' troll girl diverts from the subject too much. She's asked a question and she diverts to her life, her kids, COVID.. get a grip, sweetie. You're here to talk about you, not everything else. Good for Jonathan for coming in very directly.
I think you need to step into her shoes for a minute, she had ADHD which can be very hard to live with, my boyfriend has it i see it first hand. She doesnt purposely mean to go completely of topic and then it can be hard for her to get back to the main topic, Jonathan will understand that and thats why he kept trying to just remind her of what the main subject was, to help her get her words out that shes trying to get out x
@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 im not excusing her at all! I just believe dont judge someone because a condition affects how they communicate, thats what a lot of the comments ive seen sre doing just bashing her for not being able to stay on topic when people can find that hard to do x
@@AlissaMai yes people just dont have the patients to listen to her because of her rambling and that quite frankly is so wrong it isnt her fault at all! This planet needs to be more accepting of eachother
@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 'she strikes me more as a narcissist than someone with ADHD' that sentence right there is exactly what starts this internet trolling and bullying. People assuming they know something about someone simply by what they see on a screen, when in reality they know absolutely nothing about the person. As someone with Austism and ADD, and the partner of someone with Asperger's and ADHD, you should know better than most, how wrong it is of people to play Dr. Google MD. I'm sure you would not appreciate me saying to or about you 'nah she doesn't strike me as autistic, seems more like she's bipolar'. Seeing as your partner has ADHD, you should also know that Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and ADHD, have many symptoms that overlap, making it very easy for someone with ADHD to appear narcissistic, and vice versa. You don't know this woman, are not her doctor, have seen absolutely nothing of her life except for the one single hour that has been shown on this video. NO ONE is excusing her actions. Everyone agrees that what she did was vile and wrong. She's admitted and apologized for it. I'm just curious what else exactly do you expect her to do? Anna and Jonathan have made peace with her and are moving on, and they're her victims. So who are we to say that she isn't genuine or that she should still be lynched for her actions, or deserves all the awful things people are saying about her?
I do not think you are trying to be a troll and this is really a response to far more comments than just yours, but I have to say this somewhere: I cannot fathom why the comments section on a video about the harm and destructiveness of hate on the internet is so full of hate. Think of all the times that Anna and Jonathan have had to acknowledge, apologize for, or explain something on the internet and people have said things like “[they come] across as fake, craving acceptance. [They’re] trying too hard. I don’t buy it.” We can choose to see the worst in her, pick her apart, and accuse her of dishonesty, like sooo many have done to A&J over the years. Or we can try to be open to the idea that she may have genuinely changed, and try to listen to her with an open mind. All I know is that it must have been extreme painful to open up about all of that, both her behavior on the internet and the things that were going on in her own life at the time. She is (regardless of what you might think her intentions are) owning up to her behavior, apologizing, and encouraging others who may be doing the same to stop and self reflect. I personally think that is genuine, but even if you don’t, how is that not a good thing? If she is genuine, I applaud her for taking this painful, I’m sure, step. If she by some chance isn’t genuine, let’s not stoop to her level and spread more hate. At the end of the day we can’t know her heart or intentions, just like she didn’t know A&J’s when she was a hater, but I would rather incorrectly spread love even too someone seeking attention than incorrectly spread hate to someone owning up to their behavior and trying to seek redemption ❤️
@@lavenderlemonslavender2087 you REALLY should read the comments of the first two people who spoke on this thread, and take note, especially before you start diagnosing people.
I think it’s a bit strange how she’s boasting about not “hiding behind an image” when posting on hate forums, and then goes on to say she won’t delete previous posts? If she is reformed why would she not take it down? When was it that she stopped being a troll and became a fan?
Like she said-for accountability. To delete things and pretend they didn’t happen is to tell yet another lie about your character. She clearly has done a lot of therapy and self-reflection and is able to have a non defensive conversation with the people she hurt ABOUT the hurt she’s caused. That’s called growth. They don’t have to believe or trust her, that’s completely their choice.
@@lorrainestrubin9641 That’s what happened to me as well. I had to stop it half way and take a break from watching her. Then went back a few hours later.
Yeah. I do think she was somewhat remorseful. Her reaction to finding out about the AdSense situation seemed genuine but there is a lot of suspicious narcisstic behaviour coming from her. A lot of coincidences and her dodging the questions... Jonathon asked her several times phrased differently about what was the worst thing she did, when did she decide it was too much, where/when did she stop being a troll and start being a fan...? She never answered those questions. She is characterised here as being brave for exposing herself but she never really exposed herself... She too ashamed to actually say anything that she did off her own back. Talking in generalities.. no specifications... Loved the video tho by Anna and Jonathon. Certainly so interesting!
"Sometimes you need to do something while you're breastfeeding" This mama has spent almost 3 years breastfeeding 3 different babies and I can honestly say I WOULD NEVER sit on a forum or do anything like this, because my mother taught me to treat people the way you would want to be treated. There so many people who are bullied online and can't mentally deal with it so they commit suicide because they have no clue what to do or how to escape it. BULLIES are the worst kind of people and have no clue how their actions and words cut their victims so deeply. Way to be brave Anna and Johnathon, you two are amazing.
I found this so manipulative and strange, didn’t sit right with me how she kept giggling and avoiding answers. She also kept making excuses for what she had done as if there is any good excuse for actively trying to ruin someone who has done no harm to yourselves life. The way she kept calling him Jon was strange also, almost as if she was trying to be his friend and the constant relations to their lives as well like having an eating disorder, ADHD, going to film school etc was all a bit too coincidental for me
Her giggling etc is just a coping mechanism. This would have been intimidating for her, to face the people who she impacted so negatively. The giggling and avoiding answers, I think is also her trying to process and really go deep into dealing with her actions.
@@ElenaSyd fair enough I understand this would be an intimidating situation but it wasn’t a surprise to her what they were saying she knew what she was doing at the the time whether she admits it or not
20 minutes in and Jonathan is coming on strong! I completely understand. People hiding behind screens have no idea how what they’re doing is affecting your livelihood and your mental health. Loving this discussion so far!
Being just a casual viewer I didn’t realise how much shit they have gone through. My respect for them 📈📈📈 they didn’t let the trolls break them down when sometimes that would have been the easiest option for them!
Ik why does she keep bringing up her life and isn’t talking about what she actually did but is focusing on the stuff she wasn’t involved in as if it fixes it
She's Australian and as someone that's lived there before, they're mostly all like this. Very manipulative, not caring and emotionally abusive, basically anything for attention. Thank god I left. This woman is not remorseful and would do it again and again.
I think the reason she diverts away from the questions and talks about herself a lot portrays that the trolling really wasn't about Anna and Jonathan... it was all about her. She was filling some sort of a void in her life - that doesn't justify her actions at all and the repercussions that Anna and Jonathan faced were clearly awful. But she was an incredibly hurt person who was suffering in her own way, and this was the outlet she chose to escape from this and was seeking acceptance from. I hope she is happier now and reformed like she says she is. I really enjoyed the interview and I think you can learn a lot from it - all the love and positive vibes guys 💕
Yes! I think most of these commenters don't get it. They're like, "oh she's manipulating, she's self centered, she's not sorry, she's laughing, she keeps diverting from the question, making it all about herself, I don't feel sorry for her" etc... You guys, one thing.... YOU. CAN. NOT. CHANGE. THE. PAST. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course it's awful, of course they have a right to feel however they feel, but if I sat here and told you the things i've done in MY life in the past, you would be like oh yeah terrible person... And I 1000% feel that yes I was, and am, for those choices i made 5 to 10 years ago. But also that's not who I am today. I don't even know that person! So I don't think we should just say well whatever not worthy of forgiveness. Do i wish she would have said some things differently? Yes. But I do know it's obviously nerve wracking talking to two people who not only have a huge following and you know you're going to be broadcast to that following, but also two people who might not be so happy to speak with you. That would require some balls! Also i do think the laughter and the diverting from questions was nerves and also Attention Deficit - she did disclose she suffers with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder and she clearly struggled to focus which is okay that's not somethinf that can easily be avoided unmedicated. I also think the "represent" comment was interpreted i don't think that's how she meant it and I actually thought she was a likeable person who was willing to own her wrongdoings, to stand in her shit and also apologize. How many people would get on there and do that? Yes it was wrong what she did, but you can't hold on to that when someone has changed! Reminds me of how the first two years i was sober and people would still act as if i was using or accuse. You start to think well damn if this is all I'm ever going to hear about or be associated with then i might as well go back to it. (Btw I didn't go back - 5.5 years sober today, by the Grace of God.) It gets challenging when you are really putting in the effort to correct those things and move forward to a positive future. I respect all three of them for having this discussion and really enjoyed this.
I’m only 10 minutes in, however she said she trolled at 22, I am 21 and never would I dream of doing this. If I have an opinion on something a RUclipsr has said/done I just scroll on
Just wanted to leave a note to say Anna really held herself so well here. Only like 15mins in but it's nice seeing Anna leading the conversation and seeming very confident. I would probably be more like Jonathan in I dont know if I would be able to be that nice to someone who hurt me that much but just wanted to applaud Anna for a second
This just proves what I tell my daughters. If someone is being mean and bullying, it’s usually because that person is unhappy with themselves or their life. They do it to make themselves feel better.
I am with Anna here though. Because in the end she changed and reflected on her behavior which is something that is important. There is hope out there that some people might engage in self-reflection and change for the better. Of course this does not make any of the pain she caused go away. But she is not going to do it again. This is what matters.
Behind a bad person is a sad person. I have to give Lily respect for owning her mistakes. When you are suffering, there's two ways you can go, hurt because you were hurt, or love, because that's what you crave. Great podcast. Thanks for sharing Lily.
I'm sorry, but if someone does stuff like her and trolls other people, that's not a genuine or good person to me. If you behave like that, there is something completely wrong with your upbringing and character.
I believe people can learn from their past/mistakes and change. I’m sure everyone has something they did in their past that they today regret. For example, I used to get drunk when I was 20 but now at 30 I don’t drink at all and haven’t drank alcohol in years and I truely regret ever drinking.
I don't think anyone's always good though ? People will do almost anything to fit in and feel valued if they don't receive that through other means in their life . To me it's like calling a person who steals bread for their family a horrible person as thy have Stole something . Horrible acts don't make people horrible. You can see the regret , although I have never trolled online, that thought process of ' if I said this people would like me ' has gone through my head many times in my life. I think if you look at it this way it's much easier to see and especially explains how trolls act differently in real life
maybe next you can actually have a conversation with people who rightfully criticise exploitative action without gaslighting them or pretending like theyre 'mean haters'
Seems like she’s really trying to be friends with Anna. Laughing is so normal, lots of people joke about their shame and their pain. I’m glad Jonathan is holding her accountable but telling her what kind of damage she has done
I’m almost 22 and watched you on RUclips throughout my teenage years and even met you both once with a friend at a Summer in the City (and featured a TINY bit in a vlog which was very exciting when I realised 😂). Most recently I’ve kept up with you all as a family mainly through Instagram just because I don’t have the same time as I used to. I hadn’t realised you’d posted this until scrolling through TikTok a few minutes ago and someone had posted a couple of clips from this video & am currently only 3 minutes in but, I am totally taken aback that you’d taken that time out of your day to speak to someone who effectively ruined a large amount of your life for a good portion from the last decade. I don’t really know what the point of this comment is but I just really wanted to say that I admire you as much as I used to but probably even more so after seeing you have this chance to speak with someone so eloquently, who deliberately went out to ruin you. That’s inspirational. So much love to you all 🤍
Please don’t apologise. You’re entitled to feel this way and I agree with you. Nothing can excuse her behaviour, it has a detrimental effect on others lives.
It's the fact that these trolls act as if their own lives are perfect, which i'm going to hazard a guess and say their lives are far from perfect, yet they expect vloggers to be crystal clean and not slip up once.
To be fair...I think Lily was very brave to come on and face Jonathan and Anna. Everyone deserves a second chance. I think this video clearly shows Anna’s loving, caring and forgiving personality...despite the trouble Lily caused, Anna can still relate and show love and compassion towards her. It’s a lovely quality ❤️
“I don’t want people to feel sorry for me cause I’m crying”.... ummm...NO ONE feels sorry for you!! I could barely watch this, it was making me so angry and frustrated. Anna and Jonathon are amazing people to sit here and be pleasant towards her.
@@sasaoldbarn i am not 100% sure but there are different levels of ad profit for example not skipping the ad and watching X seconds or watching the whole ad or actually clicking on the ad or purchasing the product/service from the ad. All of these have different profit points for the creator 😁
@@sasaoldbarn Watching the ads are what generate the actual income from what I understand. Clicking on the videos is more about YT algorithms and visibility on YT. Both are necessary but the actual $ comes from the ad revenue.
I manage comments/community for a Vlogger, and I have a folder of usernames and screen shots of horrible comments people made. Sometimes, I go back to the comments & respond as the Vlogger, and get some intense apologies. Hurt people hurt people, but then there’s this whole world of people who entered these forums & completely forgot you are HUMAN BEINGS. I organized the VloggerFair event for years, and I was able to meet so many people and work with them, and maybe 5% of them were disappointing. This is cathartic to watch, I took every comment people made to my employers personally, I had trouble understanding just why and still wish I could talk to every single negative commenter and troll.
I think she is brave to discuss her behaviour, but I can’t comprehend it. She is making a joke of serious comments and back tracking to make herself sound like the victim. Crying and changing topics/avoiding questions is manipulative. Saying sorry then trying to justify it isn’t an apology. ADHD is not an excuse, it doesn’t make it ok to make those comments. Bravo to both of you, you handled this very well.
@@allienoa_ I know people with ADHD and I’m fully aware of how their behaviour effects them. However, it doesn’t make her behaviour acceptable and using ADHD as an excuse for making someone else’s life hell is not ok.
Yes I love this comment ! U aren't hating on her (because some of the people on here are and In my opinion that makes them just as bad) u are simply just getting out your frustration. Beautifully worded 👏
@@lauren523 I think Jonathan was referring to the 'joke' he got a lot of hate for whereas she was just saying she understands that now and wouldn't hate on it as she does things like that in her everyday life. Correct me if I'm wrong but at no point did u hear her talk about her ADHD in relation to her trolling ?
This is such an interesting episode! I can’t think of anyone else who’s done this sort of thing - not confronting, but having a mature and in depth conversation about the ins and outs of trolling. Obviously trolling is incredibly wrong, but it’s so important to remember that we’re all humans with complex emotions and backgrounds - there are no Disney villains or heroes in real life.
The look of anger on Jonathan's face says it all. I hope this woman's story has an effect on those who are currently trolling people, including this family.
Only a few minutes in and she seems proud of her actions by laughing at the situation, giving herself props for using her real name in her username, and even saying "guru gossip represent." She does not come across as genuine to me. She still thinks its funny. She's just talking about herself. Jonathan and Anna: you are very strong and kind people to be open to listen and give her the time of day.
@@Gohappygirl well it's not really the right place to laugh. She has put Anna and Jonathan through years of pain and she is laughing and avoiding answering the questions. Trying to make a joke out of a serious situation is not okay. She should have held herself accountable for her actions. Anna and Jonathan were very strong and i dont know how they were so calm during this interview.
@@stella14 did you read my comment... she’s not making a joke or laughing on purpose. I hope you don’t have any mental health problems and never have to experience what it’s like to be in an uncomfortable or sad situation because that’s what happens
@@Gohappygirl girl i do laugh when I'm stressed or uncomfortable and i get that she could be too and that's her way of coping with it. But considering what she did to them and not really answering what she has been asked, it really doesn't sit well with me especially when she makes a joke and laughs.
She just keeps deflecting the questions!! Jonathan keeps asking her genuine questions and she just makes it about herself to make us feel sorry for her. All she talks about is stuff that happened on these forums but she distances herself from it, when she was such a major part. It all feels like a massive guilt trip. She turned the whole thing into her life when it should’ve been 25% her life and 75% her taking accountability to the trolling and the hurt she caused.
Agree. I couldn’t care less about her life story. She answered for way too long about every questions and dithered on so much she forgot the question. Painful
I understand the frustration in some of the comments, but I don't think Jonathan and Anna made this video with the purpose of having Lily subsequently be ript appart in the comments. I dont think it is for us to say whether if she has or hasn’t changed. This video is a beautiful example of how someone who has hurt another in the past, can come to the table with a willingness to hear and ask for forgiveness :). I really appreciated how loving and warm your response was Jonathan and Anna!!!
We will never know her true intentions, but that is not for us anyway. As you said, I think the concept behind this video was to start a conversation about online trolling and the lasting ramifications. If others get an understanding that hurt people hurt people then that's a bonus. I think there were a lot of good observations noted above, but being insulting is never necessary. May she learn big lessons from this conversation today that will help her continue to build a more positive life.
I cannot understand whatsoever. I have been unhappy in my life and never would I think to be this cruel to people to make myself feel better. This does show how kind Anna is because she actually feels bad for someone who hurt them. This has to have been hard to tape because it was hard to watch.
I know right I suffer with mental health I live on my own don't have family in my life but would never turn on people -- I hate too that people talk about people's mental health when they do something for instance as big as murder etc like we aren't all the same please don't stereotype us !!
@@nataliekoop but I suppose that's what happens when bullies become bullies in school they are being bullied themselves some where else -- not that that is acceptable but definitely should grow out of it when you leave school
It’s probably projection? Like she hates them so much but in reality it’s herself she hates. I’d be surprised if any troll is genuinely happy with their life. It does not excuse that behaviour though.
I would love to see you guys have this conversation from a different perspective with Mrs Meldrum who was trolled so harshly until she felt she had to quit youtube and stop sharing her life and her kids to keep them safe.
Even though Anna thinks she’s admirable, I think Jonathan and Anna were admirable on how they handled the whole situation and are addressing something that is so current and affects people on a daily basis head on! I loved you before and I love you even more now! Anna is just the most beautiful person inside and out ❤️
I have never been so annoyed at a person on a screen! She just sat there and laughed and smiled through the whole talk. She clearly has no remorse for the troubles she has caused! It’s not a laughing matter and even now she can’t grasp the snowball effect she caused to their business and family. The podcast was so in interesting, and it’s sad that even now she can’t give a genuine apology. Also anna didn’t not need to feel bad about her crying, it’s the least she can do!!
Well done to Jonathan for showing her the damage she really caused to him and his family. I still don’t think she realises what damage she caused to be honest and didn’t see much regret within her and her actions.
Jonathan seems so much more closed off than Anna which is completely understandable, but the troll seems shocked at his response to her like she expects him to just be like OH HEYYY. Honestly the way Anna is welcoming her in almost like a friend is admirable. Her sweet nature is really showing through in this it seems impossible to me that people doubt that you’re kind people. I’m halfway through and feel like she’s really overacting to try and prove she’s a nice person now 🤷🏻♀️ she may be now but.. meh
Anna’s putting on a fake nice act. She once wrote a really “sweet, nice” message to a drama channel in order to prevent him from speaking out on the family. Then when he said he disagrees with them exploiting their kids, she totally changed her tone and showed he true colours. Don’t be so easily fooled.
@@user-oi4bf9cr6e was she supposed to react kindly to someone criticising her parenting when they don’t know her, have never met her in fact? I hate that women are expected to always be kind and sweet no matter what is thrown at them, it’s not ‘showing your true colours’ to occasionally react emotionally to something that upsets you. Anna is a human just like you with feelings that can be hurt, please tell me with all honesty that you have never said something in a moment of upset or anger that you wouldn’t have said normally? No hate, I just think if everyone was a bit more understanding then the world would be a better place.
I think all the trolls secretly want to be your best friends and are just very jealous of your success. I totally agree when Lilly says that there's a huge element of jealousy going on. If I come across someone on youtube that I don't like I turn off their video and move on. But to actively troll someone means that a lot more is going on and jealousy is probably a major factor. I can understand why people would be jealous when you, at one point, put out "perfect life" vlogs. I am a SAHM of 4 small children, TRYING to run a youtube channel and I spend most days with my hair undone, no make up on, walking about in a tracksuit! And when I see beautiful Anna so perfectly put together every day it makes me feel like I am not good enough and should miraculously have the time to cook, clean, look after the kids, upload videos AND look perfect. But recently you have talked about having a cleaner and a nanny (which I don't) and that makes me feel better about not having time to shower most days! LOL. Thank you for being so real lately, opening up about your hardships and speaking the truth. I love it and feel like you are so relatable and comforting to watch. We are all struggling and to see that others are too makes you feel less alone and encourages you to just keep on doing the best you can and that that is enough. Is it weird that I've fallen in love with the troll Lilly???? She seems so remorseful, funny, sweet and lovely! I'd watch her if she started a channel! xxxx
Listening to her story proves karma is real. Negative mind = Negative life. I truly hope her life has turned a corner and she is in a better place. Well done Anna and Jonathan - This was incredibly eye opening and brave.
Johnathon stays in control of making sure he gets them questions answered, making sure he gets the most out of this time with her to enable him to understand why it happened. Proud of you both for doing this, it was a hard thing for both of you to face!
I dont understand why the questions asked where actually avoided? None of the answers where straight forward. Now I dont want to "troll" her but I dont understand why we heard more about her life rather than explaining what she has done and taking accountability for her actions.
She deflected all the questions because she’s fake. She isn’t sorry at all. She can’t be sorry when she barley even can’t admit what she did. It’s just all about her ...
I really want to hug Anna, shes just a beautiful person. And i really strongly agree with Jonathans comments and im happy she knows the damage she caused. I dont understand how someone can be that evil
People can CHANGE. This video is literally her holding herself accountable and apologising for her past actions whilst hoping to inspire current trolls to do the same.
You can listen to this episode on Spotify and Apple Podcasts as well as watching the full episode here on RUclips!
so much empathy towards all of you for having an open dynamic and conversation about this- any form of bullying usually comes from internal struggles that doesn't make it right whatsoever- as someone who's been bullied it taught me to have empathy towards them- thank you for not being judgmental and knowing people make mistakes and can learn from them-as long as we hold ourselves accountable. its never to late.
Will all episodes be going on Spotify?
I think you both handled this interview with such graciousness and poise.. I’m sure that was a really tough thing to do.. I genuinely don’t think I could have did it at all never mind as professionally as you did it! Anna you are such a genuine person ❤️ I just wanted to say well done... xxx
You guys are so lovely & very mature .
congratulations on the video trending number 2 in the uk thats awesome
She is extremely manipulative....she is trying to convey that she is super nice and giggly to hide her past mistakes. She tried to own this and she really didnt. She avoided the questions about trolling and turned into questions about herself. I understand she was not in a happy place while she was trolling, and that she was brave to come on here for this, but I still do not understand WHY she did it. She was unhappy? A lot of people are unhappy and do not resort to trolling. Jonathan and Anna were very calm considering this girl had been so hateful for so many years. They did better than I would have.
I'm not sure if she's trying to be manipulative intentionally . I think she's extremely ashamed of her past and was trying to make a clear distinction that she has moved away from that.
And in response to trolling I think she kind of did answer the question from what I gathered She wasn't accepted when she was nice to then but then when she started trolling people accepted her and she felt a sense of belonging
I dont think that's fair to say she has narcissistic tendencies when that is a common misconception of ADHD, I dont think she was purposely trying to come across like that
@Crafty Elle you are totally fine! You didnt know! We are always so quick to assume things so I dont blame you x
I feel she is feels super terrible and has grown up.
Jonathan did so f*cking well directing this interview. She was a hard person to interview but he kept bringing it back.
I truly love how he stayed focused and he might seem harsh but honestly loved how he handled everything!
He’s a great communicator! Visually and verbaly!!!!! I loved when he explained why they let their son dress the way he likes. He did a beautiful job, helped me to understand. These two are a special couple!!!!! So glad Jonathan found Ana, amazing couple their family is very blessed.
I feel like he understood her trouble of staying on top as they both have ADHD so he made sure to keep himself focused to make sure the conversation stays relevant
I agree, it couldn't be easy to face someone that caused so much harm to the people he loves. If only we could hear their internal dialogue throughout this chat! LOL
Jonathan is so hurt by her he seems annoyed and I don't blame him
I would honestly be the same. I really didn’t like how she said she didn’t want people coming for her because she’s not strong but was happy to do it to someone else? No excuse for this behaviour as a 20 odd year old woman in my opinion.
Yeah definitely don't blame him I hate het too
First time I’ve ever seen him properly annoyed. And it’s very fair that he is.
Yeah Jonathan hasn’t forgotten the hurt she has put them through, I think he can see through this slight act she is putting on of being overly nice
@@bellaxox6008 but that would tottaly negate what he is trying to show to his audiaince the consiquances of what these people like her cause to someone's life .
I’m not a mother yet but it didn’t sit right with me when she said that “you need to do something while breastfeeding” to pass the time. It made me feel awful that while she was feeding and nurturing her baby who solely relied on her for nourishment, comfort, safety and protection, she was destroying a stranger’s life halfway across the world, which just seems so hypocritical. And it’s like she is feeding her baby hate, because that’s all she was doing in that moment and transferring it to her baby. It makes me feel sad that she felt the need to do that firstly, and that her baby received that kind of energy so young.
As I said, I’m not a mother yet but I’m hoping that some day when I’m breastfeeding, I’m “passing the time” with more positivity and healthy behaviours.
100% agree it’s so weird
this really really stood out to me too. in exactly the same way you said... terrifying
The thought of this is absolutely vile.
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You hit that nail on the head! And being a mom that has breastfed her babies, you can do so many other things while nursing. The most obvious being sitting there and bonding with baby and just being thankful for that amazing creation that believes you are the most perfect and complete person in the entire universe.
No, she doesn’t sit right with me seems full of excuses. I don’t blame Jonathan for keeping his guard up, Anna is so forgiving, this girl almost doesn’t deserve how nice and understanding she’s being
I couldn’t agree more .
I agree, I don’t want to bash her whatsoever but something about this didn’t sit right with me either. 🤷🏼♀️
Same. The things she posted on that website are disgusting and unforgivable and I really believe that she played a big part in Anna's mental health in the past. I don't blame Jonathan for keeping his guards up.
@@camillaquaglia8245 what was her username?
Jonathan is NOT having it😂! The teddy bear has CLAWS guys😂.
Come after his livelihood and family and YEAH teddy has claws ! Lol
Yep, he sure does. And it's incredibly appealing. I really love the glimpses we get of Jonathan's serious side. :-)
I have very little respect for this ex-troll, regardless whether it was brave for her to show her face or not. But I have immense respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to sit and talk to someone who has caused them so much hurt.
I actually have no respect for her... her showing her face is for attention
Couldn’t agree more
Imagine if more Trolls came out after watching this?
She's narcissistic af. It's all about me me me. Trying to avoid questions. She still doesn't set well with me regardless. Good on you Jonathan for not letting this slide.
Anna is ready to be friends with her while Jonathan is ready to never talk to her again lol
You can see and hear how angry he is with her even now. (Quite rightly)
But all three totally genuine and respectful
@@aliciab77 agreed all respectful which is admirable
Anna said they are friends now. Lol
@@ccap3211 yes lol
I’m like Anna. Want to be happy. This was a great thing to do. I think Trolls have bad lives, maybe she can make a better way♥️
for someone who ruined a family's life, shes acting so casual about it.
Ruined a family’s life? They’re millionaires, they survived financially with dignity...
@@discopumps girl it’s not just about “finances” , it could be mentally as well. You can clearly see how it effected especially Jonathan and how upset he is in this video. And the fact that she kept giggling and not answer the questions properly is frustrating. Just because they’re millionaires it doesn’t mean they’re not allowed to go through a rough time!
@@Hayaaaa0411 my comment was based on facts (I.e that they are v wealthy and what Jonathon has said) rather than conjecture.
@@Hayaaaa0411 ok if you put your whole life online, especially your kids who can't consent, you should be aware of the consequences.
@@anonimysz yes you’re right. But is that an enough or justifiable reason for people to harass them? People can criticize them and hold them accountable when they do something wrong, but not try to ruin their livelihood even if they’re “millionaires”.
Johnathan’s body language 😅 he’s not buying it
Omg Ik the death stare
Sees right through all that bs🤣
He’s brave and Anna is giving her the benefit of the doubt- they balance each other out and this was difficult to watch with her.
I’m sorry after watching this no one can say Anna isn’t a nice person, even face to face with someone who ruined her life and made her really sad she can be kind and forgiving! Well done Anna! Sending the love to you Anna! 😍😍
I think it’s going a bit far to say this women ruined Anna’s life. It really doesn’t seem like Anna cares much at all. They have a blessed life! They have never had to struggle for money since they started their channel. So what exactly has been ruined? I think Anna has thick skin and doesn’t let the negative things said about her get to her. And forgiveness is for ourselves not for others.
ruined their life? nice house for a ruined life.
This video has touched a nerve with me. What upsets me is this woman's narrative about justifying her actions through her own life struggles. I would be more willing to understand her perspective if she gave direct responses to Jonathans questions. He asked a question and she reverted to lockdown and Covid? I can totally comprehend why Jonathan is less forthcoming in being friendly with this woman. Ultimately trolling is never ok and I appreciate Jonathan's point of view throughout this video.
Agree 100%.
Me too. And all the laughs. I mean... I believe she's nervous, but this is very, very serious. This (still) hurts and harm so many people.
But, we have to admit that she was brave and everyone deserves respect for recognizing their mistakes :) it was good. I hope some people doing these bad things right now watch this video and think about their actions and their life and I hope they find some peace and happiness inside them.
Spot on👌
I totally agree with you. I also think some of his anger, is probably because of how much he saw Anna hurting at the time and it made him angry and he can’t forget that.
She’s not answering the question she’s just telling her life story. She definitely seems manipulative.
Way to go Jonathan! x Making her feel accountable for what she has done.
Yes she may well be sorry now for what she did in the past but she needed to know how much hurt all her actions caused. I still cant believe that she did it for so long though. Jealousy is such a harmful thing. Well done for doing this guys and being so calm & professional about it. x
I see what she's doing. She's trying to be so likeable, so relatable. She's a reformed girl. She's your best friend. She calls Jonathan "Jon". I don't know Jonathan, but I have a feeling that _nobody_ calls him Jon.
The fact she had children and was trolling them is quite frankly disgusting, ive been and still am at a super low point in my life and ive never thought about going online and trying to ruin peoples life. but respect for Anna and Jonathan for being able to talk to a troll.
Yeah I agree, I believe alot of the trolls even now have children though. I have read the forums and I would never join in and I want to tell them how awful they are and its normal family life just because they online for 10 mins of their day they are not seeing the whole picture, but nothing positive or against them is allowed on there apparently!
100% agree. plus she never really answers the question s.. i just cannot wrap my head around spreading hate comments and causing so much damage in peoples lives. especially as an ADULT like ???
Very well said. I too am at a very low point in my life, and I have never once thought to myself "I want someone else to feel as miserable as I do" or "my life sucks so I'm going to be hateful and cruel to this family and see if it makes me feel better" like seriously?! Who thinks that way?!
Hey Jen, I’m sorry to hear you’re going through a tough point in your life. If you need anyone to talk to, please know I’m here for you. My name is Han, I’m 20 (almost 21!) and currently doing a placement year whilst doing my degree. I just wanted you to know a little bit about me if you want to chat! If you do and you have Instagram please come and find me @hanboardman_ if you need anything at all x
@@hannahjade4180 what a sweet gesture! It's so nice to see people treating other people they don't even know so kindly!
Now, I have to be a busy body and ask, what are you getting your degree in? I'm a teacher (4th grade), so I love to hear about people's schooling :)
she's a pro at avoiding questions , no sympathy for her at all .. constant excuses for putting this family through hell! definitely think she's proud of what she's done more than anything (saying she's repping guru gossip when she mentioned it), imagine having kids and this being how you chose to live your life honestly don't understand her at all
The respect you gave a woman who had aimed to destroy your reputation is really quite admirable. I could never be that nice to someone who’d done something that vile towards me. Really shows how amazing both Anna and Jonathan are as people!
Does anyone else think perhaps she’s actually “getting” what she craved??? One on one attention from The Sacconejolys? Being “featured” on one of their vlogs etc? I really enjoyed this PodCast but still feel like it was her inner troll craving that attention all these years later. I hope I’m wrong, but that’s honestly what I felt.
I think Jonathan felt the same way. That's probably why he said "or another form of trolling" before they started the conversation. It could have been just a grab for more limelight, but at least the conversation is out there and opening doors.
Wow. Her face when He told her what her damage caused with the Adsense. Good for him for telling her the damage it caused.
I get spoiled brat vibes. Never been told no, turns on the waterworks when she's finally called out in a desperate attempt for sympathy. How Jonathan managed to share his feelings calmly, I don't know. I'd have been down her throat!
I agree. All she does is deflect from herself and ramble on about crap no one cares about.
Shes so sorry she won’t even remove the crap she’s posted online ?
Like seriously 😐
Could you please post the timestamp? I'm too upset, don't want to hear her talk anymore really
@@ASMR-JMelliee around 19 minutes
@@ASMR-JMelliee check 20 minutes
This was difficult to watch. She's right about one thing - she's NOT likeable. She displays narcissistic tendencies. She did not grasp the reality of her actions in relation to Adsense until Jonathan pointed out the repercussions of what she did and how it impacted their family. I personally found it infuriating how she joked about how she reported your channel to Google . I think Anna was being too kind when she said she was beautiful. Anyone who behaves in that way is not beautiful on the inside nor the outside. I cannot fathom someone breastfeeding that (poor) baby and doing what she did and passing on that negative energy to her baby. She is clearly a damaged person and to her credit she has faced the music and is getting the psychological help she needs. Make no mistake she is not healed yet and has a lot of maturing to do; it takes years and years of therapy. She is on the right path though and to use the over-used term, it is a journey. Props to both you, Anna and Jonathan. You both handled this impeccably.
completely agreed. we need to be very careful watching this and disregarding years worth of abuse and bullying because of a few tears from the bully. i'm glad she's beginning to change and understand, but this is a long long process
It’s ok to forgive and move forward trying to be a better person. Every day is a chance to do better, she’s trying!! The world needs more nice people like Anna who chooses to believe in the good.
She still seems to proud of what she did and laughs it off. She caused so much damage and could have seriously harmed Jon and Anna's mental health. Imagine in the future if their kids see the nasty comments that these mindleas trolls have stirred up about their parents. I hope their kids don't suffer as a result.
@@rc27td 🙏🏼
@@monaaamato Well said ! 🙌🏽 hopefully the kids won't be impacted.
I have so much respect for Anna, I couldn’t be that forgiving. I can see Jonathan really listening but holding back his real thoughts, he looks so hurt. I don’t think that behaviour can be forgiven. It’s just nasty.
That’s not always a good trait to have. I struggle with it as well. It’s called being a pushover. Lol
@@ccap3211 very true. Anna has a beautiful heart, but shes so eager to make this woman feel good about herself, as well as not feel bad about what she did, that she's practically the one apologizing! I can see why itd be hard tho. She's a very caring woman. A mommy and dog lover to boot, and this woman before her is no longer just a faceless internet troll, she's another human being, a woman her own age with kids the same age, showing genuine remorse and sadness.... It's in her momma instincts alone to want to stop someone from crying lol I'm glad she has Jonathan to balance her out tho. I'm often too easily forgiving and from this I gather she is too, and if you don't balance it somehow, you soon have a bunch of people in your life stomping all over you, and no longer have time for your true friends, who got pushed aside without you even realizing it, because they didn't need anything from you, and the people you're so eager to help are occupying all your time!
@@Ms89Monkeylover yeah totally! She has good intentions though!
I’d say he’s just resigned to the fact that she will never really get it.
I agree
her constantly crying makes me so angry, she literally ruined a families lives for so long but somehow she's the victim?
Yep that’s true!
100% I’m sat here twitchy because she hasn’t seen the tears it the family because they put up a front now she’s acting like a victim
Saying she cries all the time actually detracts from genuine regret.
This is literally the problem with having this kind of open dialogue. The woman couldn’t control her emotions because she’s HUMAN and made the point to say more than once to Anna not to feel bad because she’s crying, that it’s her taking accountability. If we can’t listen and forgive then the point of this entire exercise is completely lost.
If IT bothers You that someome crying that's something wrong with You. She regrets the choices that she made. I think she cries as a sign of emotion. She realized what damage she did do she cries.
Jonathan is amazing in this, he just cannot be dealing with her bullshit, this video just shows how compassionate Anna is and she wants to see the best in everyone, but I have been watching this 100% looking the same as Jonathan! Can't understand how anyone can choose to ruin a family's life - saying she got out before the crap started on the kids as if that makes it all okay?!
Also, anyone else hate how she keeps calling Jonathan 'Jon' like she's his pal?!
On behalf of Australia, we don't claim her.
Agreed %100
I have no sympathy for her, she spent years trying to ruin these peoples lives and to sit there and laugh about it I don’t think she understands how she made them feel! Anna so just so forgiving but I’m with Jonathon on this one 🤍🤍🤍
Nervous laughter is a widely known and accepted phenomenon in psychology. She is not laughing about what she did. I think it is extremely uncomfortable and upsetting for her to sit there and talk about her past behavior. She is obviously ashamed of what she did. To have to face the very people she hurt is extremely uncomfortable but she is doing it anyways because she wants to own up to what she did and try to provide insight that others can learn from. It totally makes sense that she would laugh out of discomfort.
Same
@@nextupnow she literally avoided the questions Jonathon was asking and would just talk about herself
ITA.
The breakdown during her divorce and subsequent therapy journey speaks volumes about what's at the root of trolling. If you’re spending time fixating on someone else’s life, you’re ignoring something greater in your own life. Accountability is a hard pill to swallow but it’s the first step to a healthier life. I hope more people watching this use today as an opportunity to change.
Anna seems like she’s forgiven her completely whereas Jonathan looks like he deeply hates this girl for good reason
He doesn't hate her. He just doesn't trust her. And its understandable.
Yeah I feel like Jonathan was being really nice to her, especially since you could see that he is still really hurting about all she's done to them. I thought it was really good that he called her out on what she did, and indicated what the impact was of her poor decisions. It is admirable that Anna is so forgiving, but she shouldn't dismiss the fact that this girl has done a lot of damage to their family.
@@Anoukvdk I agree, I think it shows the difference in their personalities. Like I really admire how forgiving and kind Anna is but I feel Jonathan certainly has a more realistic response. They balance each other out nicely
Exactly what I thought too.
There’s no excuse as a women in her early 20’s to be trolling anyone. I can kind of get it at 14/15 where you are a child and you think everything is funny but in your 20’s you know right from wrong. She chats so much rubbish and blames it on ADHD but literally ruined their lives and made them stressed and loose out on money. It just goes to show how trolls are usually so miserable in their own lives they have to take it out on everyone else.
Adhd is horrible
@@estar7497 I completely agree, my boyfriend has it and it is hard work sometimes but it’s no excuse to try and ruin someone’s life
@@estar7497 it’s also amazing though, it’s really not inherently negative but I don’t want to diminish that some people struggle because of it. But it also makes of capable of things that so many people aren’t
lol I read gurugossip a lot and most trolls don't seem that miserable . I'd love to know what the trolls look like IRL.
Pointing about child abuse is not "trolling". Learn the definition.
I feel like if everyone stayed out of everyone’s business and cared a bit less about what people do or think the world would be a bit more peaceful
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Absolutely
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People need to be held accountable for wrong things they do though
@@user-oi4bf9cr6e of course I agree but when there’s no need to be in peoples business then stay out of it
Maybe the quietest I've seen Jonathan, that's how I know he is not having it lol
Jonathan doesn’t forget how these vicious trolls & guru gossipers have vandalised Anna’s car, left disgusting notes & stalked/harassed them at every turn. His income has been greatly affected due to a troll trying to impersonate Jonathan. I couldn’t forgive troll or guru gossipers that have done something that’s affected my income. Anna obviously isn’t as affected by the trolls & guru gossipers. Jonathan is more sensitive. Lilly seems to have learnt her lesson but the damage has been done. Don’t troll... change the channel instead. Everyone has a choice about what they watch. I’ve also been targeted by trolls & guru gossipers on Jonathan’s channel because I left positive comments, I was hounded. And at one point, the guru gossipers thought I was Anna & subscribed to my channel & left disgusting comments about my beautiful dog. They were relentless & it was very distressing for me. I had to change my channel name many times to try & shake them off. People who deliberately troll & guru gossipers are lowlife pieces of garbage.
So self affected, every question she returns with a story of her life.
Soooo annoying!!
@@Kaa_01 kids so many dumb kid cult followers
@jilly t yer a kid get a life
couldn’t agree more i’m genuinely like shocked at how every questions she responds with an excuse about how difficult her life was! if she thinks hers was so hard why did she think leaving such hate would make anyone’s any easier! so sad :(
@@rachelbreck7766 ye kids need to take a hike
Wow - this is so insightful! As a content creator who also has / had a lot of trolls it’s fascinating to see such an insight.... and this has confirmed so many things I thought about trolls, specifically negativity attracting negativity. Very sad. But I am SHOCKED to hear that she would have turned up to a meet up. Would she have been horrible to your faces?! Would she have fangirled??? So interesting and incredible that you did this xxx
I really love your style and enjoy your content!!
To your above question, my bet is that she’d fangirl! Don’t you think?
Im a bit of a troll and if I met them I would most certainly be rude
@@georginacat7667 well aren’t you a lovely person
@@--8068 no im not particularly. I wouldn't go and verbally attack them but I wouldn't fan girl them and I do have many things I would like to say to Jonathan if the opportunity occured
@@georginacat7667 that’s not trolling them then. That’s voicing your opinions?
ALSO, is "trolling" just a nicer word for "bullying" because that is exactly what it is.
It’s not a nicer word. A troll is just an online bully that is consistent.
@@Gohappygirl good to know! When I was bullied they seemed pretty consistent also, but it’s interesting to think about their being a slight difference in the two even though they are, at the core, the exact same thing.
@@TheaAMcCarty one is online and one is in person. That’s the only difference
Yes bullying. The word Troll just doesn't go far enough
Facts
She seems to have an extreme case of victim mentality
I also don't think she cried because she felt bad for the money loss but that she was intimated by the way Johnathon spoke to her. I can be like that too. Also a tense situation amyway.
I agree
He was stern. And rightfully so.
I noticed that. She was fine speaking to Anna but as soon as Johnathan would say anything to her the tears would start
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the way she kept saying ‘I don’t want anyone to feel sorry for me’ we don’t 😂😂😂
I love Anna and her constant wanting to see the good in people, but I’m so glad Jonathan actually spoke about what she did. And I personally was so angry when she tried to laugh it off when she ruined his income and gave him years worth of problems. There’s nothing to laugh about. I’m glad Jonathan was telling her straight. I don’t think she’s sorry at all
Jonathan is how I want to handle toxic people
Anna is how I actually handle toxic people
I cringe everyone she calls him Jon 😬
YES 👏🏼 so disrespectful to not use his actual name
Sorry I don’t follow this family too deeply- does he not like going by Jon?
omg i thought this! Literally no one ever anywhere calls him Jon i think this is the first time i've heard him be called Jon. I immediately thought that maybe that's what they called him on the forum sites (because I know they often use strange nicknames for creators on there) and it just stuck and that's what she calls him. I remember i think in a draw my life way back in the day he talked about in his family history there was always the name John or a variation of that but he didn't like that for him he only liked Jonathon.. So maybe the trolls took that and ran with it??? Imagine if Anna referred to him as Jon in the vlogs we'd all be like...... who???????
I agree. Why change his name! Never ever have I heard anyone call Jonathon Jon!! Disrespectful indeed.
This was so frustrating to watch. She is very manipulative and you guys handled this so well! I feel like she wants to look like she’s being really honest but really didn’t answer any of your questions. I respect you two so much. You handled this so well.
My blood pressure is rising with every giggle. I understand it's probably nervous laughter but what she did was inexcusable and I don't think she's holding herself accountable because she was avoiding the key questions Jonathan asked. I really respect Anna and Jonathan. They have gone through so much. People were jealous or unhappy with themselves and thought it would be great to destroy a healthy family. Wow! I see why I prefer animals over people.
Which question / questions did she avoid ? I felt like she answered them ?
I agree with the laugher bit, must have been hard for Anna and Jonathan to listen to
This girl is absolutely relishing in the attention. Constant diversion, twisting and avoidance.
This 'former' troll girl diverts from the subject too much. She's asked a question and she diverts to her life, her kids, COVID.. get a grip, sweetie. You're here to talk about you, not everything else. Good for Jonathan for coming in very directly.
I think you need to step into her shoes for a minute, she had ADHD which can be very hard to live with, my boyfriend has it i see it first hand. She doesnt purposely mean to go completely of topic and then it can be hard for her to get back to the main topic, Jonathan will understand that and thats why he kept trying to just remind her of what the main subject was, to help her get her words out that shes trying to get out x
@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 im not excusing her at all! I just believe dont judge someone because a condition affects how they communicate, thats what a lot of the comments ive seen sre doing just bashing her for not being able to stay on topic when people can find that hard to do x
@@evie8252 I agree 100% if you actually listen between the 'rambling' she does answer the question
@@AlissaMai yes people just dont have the patients to listen to her because of her rambling and that quite frankly is so wrong it isnt her fault at all! This planet needs to be more accepting of eachother
@@aylazelanagrebiel3210 'she strikes me more as a narcissist than someone with ADHD' that sentence right there is exactly what starts this internet trolling and bullying. People assuming they know something about someone simply by what they see on a screen, when in reality they know absolutely nothing about the person. As someone with Austism and ADD, and the partner of someone with Asperger's and ADHD, you should know better than most, how wrong it is of people to play Dr. Google MD. I'm sure you would not appreciate me saying to or about you 'nah she doesn't strike me as autistic, seems more like she's bipolar'. Seeing as your partner has ADHD, you should also know that Narcissistic Personality Disorder, and ADHD, have many symptoms that overlap, making it very easy for someone with ADHD to appear narcissistic, and vice versa. You don't know this woman, are not her doctor, have seen absolutely nothing of her life except for the one single hour that has been shown on this video. NO ONE is excusing her actions. Everyone agrees that what she did was vile and wrong. She's admitted and apologized for it. I'm just curious what else exactly do you expect her to do? Anna and Jonathan have made peace with her and are moving on, and they're her victims. So who are we to say that she isn't genuine or that she should still be lynched for her actions, or deserves all the awful things people are saying about her?
Jonathan did a great job of not letting her off the hook and pressing her just enough. Reminded me of a great investigative reporter.
Not to be a troll or anything : but she comes across as fake, craving acceptance. She’s trying too hard. I don’t buy it.
Agree. She still loves this attention, and loves talking about herself.
I do not think you are trying to be a troll and this is really a response to far more comments than just yours, but I have to say this somewhere: I cannot fathom why the comments section on a video about the harm and destructiveness of hate on the internet is so full of hate. Think of all the times that Anna and Jonathan have had to acknowledge, apologize for, or explain something on the internet and people have said things like “[they come] across as fake, craving acceptance. [They’re] trying too hard. I don’t buy it.” We can choose to see the worst in her, pick her apart, and accuse her of dishonesty, like sooo many have done to A&J over the years. Or we can try to be open to the idea that she may have genuinely changed, and try to listen to her with an open mind. All I know is that it must have been extreme painful to open up about all of that, both her behavior on the internet and the things that were going on in her own life at the time. She is (regardless of what you might think her intentions are) owning up to her behavior, apologizing, and encouraging others who may be doing the same to stop and self reflect. I personally think that is genuine, but even if you don’t, how is that not a good thing? If she is genuine, I applaud her for taking this painful, I’m sure, step. If she by some chance isn’t genuine, let’s not stoop to her level and spread more hate. At the end of the day we can’t know her heart or intentions, just like she didn’t know A&J’s when she was a hater, but I would rather incorrectly spread love even too someone seeking attention than incorrectly spread hate to someone owning up to their behavior and trying to seek redemption ❤️
lol the irony
A prime example of a narcissist. She behaviour actually scares me.
@@lavenderlemonslavender2087 you REALLY should read the comments of the first two people who spoke on this thread, and take note, especially before you start diagnosing people.
I think it’s a bit strange how she’s boasting about not “hiding behind an image” when posting on hate forums, and then goes on to say she won’t delete previous posts? If she is reformed why would she not take it down? When was it that she stopped being a troll and became a fan?
I totally agree, she gives me crazy stalker vibes. I doubt she has stopped Trolling. She has way too many issues.
Like she said-for accountability. To delete things and pretend they didn’t happen is to tell yet another lie about your character. She clearly has done a lot of therapy and self-reflection and is able to have a non defensive conversation with the people she hurt ABOUT the hurt she’s caused. That’s called growth. They don’t have to believe or trust her, that’s completely their choice.
@@lavenderlemonslavender2087 I totally agree she gave me very bad vibes , I think I shivered at one point ... .
@@lorrainestrubin9641 That’s what happened to me as well. I had to stop it half way and take a break from watching her. Then went back a few hours later.
Yeah. I do think she was somewhat remorseful. Her reaction to finding out about the AdSense situation seemed genuine but there is a lot of suspicious narcisstic behaviour coming from her. A lot of coincidences and her dodging the questions... Jonathon asked her several times phrased differently about what was the worst thing she did, when did she decide it was too much, where/when did she stop being a troll and start being a fan...? She never answered those questions. She is characterised here as being brave for exposing herself but she never really exposed herself... She too ashamed to actually say anything that she did off her own back. Talking in generalities.. no specifications...
Loved the video tho by Anna and Jonathon. Certainly so interesting!
"Sometimes you need to do something while you're breastfeeding" This mama has spent almost 3 years breastfeeding 3 different babies and I can honestly say I WOULD NEVER sit on a forum or do anything like this, because my mother taught me to treat people the way you would want to be treated. There so many people who are bullied online and can't mentally deal with it so they commit suicide because they have no clue what to do or how to escape it. BULLIES are the worst kind of people and have no clue how their actions and words cut their victims so deeply. Way to be brave Anna and Johnathon, you two are amazing.
I found this so manipulative and strange, didn’t sit right with me how she kept giggling and avoiding answers. She also kept making excuses for what she had done as if there is any good excuse for actively trying to ruin someone who has done no harm to yourselves life. The way she kept calling him Jon was strange also, almost as if she was trying to be his friend and the constant relations to their lives as well like having an eating disorder, ADHD, going to film school etc was all a bit too coincidental for me
Her giggling etc is just a coping mechanism. This would have been intimidating for her, to face the people who she impacted so negatively. The giggling and avoiding answers, I think is also her trying to process and really go deep into dealing with her actions.
@@ElenaSyd fair enough I understand this would be an intimidating situation but it wasn’t a surprise to her what they were saying she knew what she was doing at the the time whether she admits it or not
20 minutes in and Jonathan is coming on strong! I completely understand. People hiding behind screens have no idea how what they’re doing is affecting your livelihood and your mental health. Loving this discussion so far!
Being just a casual viewer I didn’t realise how much shit they have gone through. My respect for them 📈📈📈 they didn’t let the trolls break them down when sometimes that would have been the easiest option for them!
she should be a politician, she's so good at avoiding the question. this is painful to watch she's really embarrassing herself
Ik why does she keep bringing up her life and isn’t talking about what she actually did but is focusing on the stuff she wasn’t involved in as if it fixes it
She's Australian and as someone that's lived there before, they're mostly all like this. Very manipulative, not caring and emotionally abusive, basically anything for attention. Thank god I left. This woman is not remorseful and would do it again and again.
Charlotte C exactly what I was thinking great minds think alike.
@@charlotted6125 I’m Australian and I can assure you I’m nothing like this woman.
@@noobjuice4754 you are going to stereotype 25 million people based on a internet troll that happens to be Australian?
Well done Jonathan - wow! You have balls holding her accountable like that.
Agreed!!!! Have they turned off comments on the vlogs because of trolls?
@@ifraahnaeem2349 no I think RUclips blocks comments on videos involving kids
I think the reason she diverts away from the questions and talks about herself a lot portrays that the trolling really wasn't about Anna and Jonathan... it was all about her.
She was filling some sort of a void in her life - that doesn't justify her actions at all and the repercussions that Anna and Jonathan faced were clearly awful.
But she was an incredibly hurt person who was suffering in her own way, and this was the outlet she chose to escape from this and was seeking acceptance from.
I hope she is happier now and reformed like she says she is.
I really enjoyed the interview and I think you can learn a lot from it - all the love and positive vibes guys 💕
Exactly!
This!
Yes! I think most of these commenters don't get it. They're like, "oh she's manipulating, she's self centered, she's not sorry, she's laughing, she keeps diverting from the question, making it all about herself, I don't feel sorry for her" etc... You guys, one thing....
YOU.
CAN.
NOT.
CHANGE.
THE.
PAST. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course it's awful, of course they have a right to feel however they feel, but if I sat here and told you the things i've done in MY life in the past, you would be like oh yeah terrible person... And I 1000% feel that yes I was, and am, for those choices i made 5 to 10 years ago.
But also that's not who I am today. I don't even know that person! So I don't think we should just say well whatever not worthy of forgiveness. Do i wish she would have said some things differently? Yes. But I do know it's obviously nerve wracking talking to two people who not only have a huge following and you know you're going to be broadcast to that following, but also two people who might not be so happy to speak with you. That would require some balls! Also i do think the laughter and the diverting from questions was nerves and also Attention Deficit - she did disclose she suffers with Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder and she clearly struggled to focus which is okay that's not somethinf that can easily be avoided unmedicated. I also think the "represent" comment was interpreted i don't think that's how she meant it and I actually thought she was a likeable person who was willing to own her wrongdoings, to stand in her shit and also apologize. How many people would get on there and do that? Yes it was wrong what she did, but you can't hold on to that when someone has changed! Reminds me of how the first two years i was sober and people would still act as if i was using or accuse. You start to think well damn if this is all I'm ever going to hear about or be associated with then i might as well go back to it. (Btw I didn't go back - 5.5 years sober today, by the Grace of God.) It gets challenging when you are really putting in the effort to correct those things and move forward to a positive future. I respect all three of them for having this discussion and really enjoyed this.
This is the comment. It is clear she was always the problem
I’m only 10 minutes in, however she said she trolled at 22, I am 21 and never would I dream of doing this. If I have an opinion on something a RUclipsr has said/done I just scroll on
Just wanted to leave a note to say Anna really held herself so well here. Only like 15mins in but it's nice seeing Anna leading the conversation and seeming very confident. I would probably be more like Jonathan in I dont know if I would be able to be that nice to someone who hurt me that much but just wanted to applaud Anna for a second
This woman needs to practise what she preaches, her behaviour isn’t excusable, she comes across so innocent but is so manipulative!
This just proves what I tell my daughters. If someone is being mean and bullying, it’s usually because that person is unhappy with themselves or their life. They do it to make themselves feel better.
I’m sorry her story isn’t sitting right with me...
I would not be so forgiving as Anna , this troll just didn’t get what damage she was doing ,
I would be much more of a Jonathan
I am with Anna here though. Because in the end she changed and reflected on her behavior which is something that is important. There is hope out there that some people might engage in self-reflection and change for the better. Of course this does not make any of the pain she caused go away. But she is not going to do it again. This is what matters.
Behind a bad person is a sad person. I have to give Lily respect for owning her mistakes. When you are suffering, there's two ways you can go, hurt because you were hurt, or love, because that's what you crave. Great podcast. Thanks for sharing Lily.
I'm sorry, but if someone does stuff like her and trolls other people, that's not a genuine or good person to me. If you behave like that, there is something completely wrong with your upbringing and character.
I agree. Can you really change that much?!
I believe people can learn from their past/mistakes and change. I’m sure everyone has something they did in their past that they today regret. For example, I used to get drunk when I was 20 but now at 30 I don’t drink at all and haven’t drank alcohol in years and I truely regret ever drinking.
I don't think anyone's always good though ? People will do almost anything to fit in and feel valued if they don't receive that through other means in their life . To me it's like calling a person who steals bread for their family a horrible person as thy have Stole something . Horrible acts don't make people horrible. You can see the regret , although I have never trolled online, that thought process of ' if I said this people would like me ' has gone through my head many times in my life. I think if you look at it this way it's much easier to see and especially explains how trolls act differently in real life
yeah but people change, she made mistakes and she learned from them, she IS a better person NOW
That was their whole point. Her behaviour was a symptom of another malignancy. Not excusable, but definitely forgivable.
maybe next you can actually have a conversation with people who rightfully criticise exploitative action without gaslighting them or pretending like theyre 'mean haters'
Don’t feel bad that she’s crying. She made a mistake that really hurt someone. It’s normal to feel bad about it and regret it
@@meghanh2511 kind of sketchy seeming. I have a hard time seeing the bad in people but I just got really bad vibes from her
@@Gohappygirl Yeah I instantly got bad vibes as soon as she started talking 🥴
Her laughing at everything is just proof she doesn’t actually care
Seems like she’s really trying to be friends with Anna. Laughing is so normal, lots of people joke about their shame and their pain. I’m glad Jonathan is holding her accountable but telling her what kind of damage she has done
I’m almost 22 and watched you on RUclips throughout my teenage years and even met you both once with a friend at a Summer in the City (and featured a TINY bit in a vlog which was very exciting when I realised 😂). Most recently I’ve kept up with you all as a family mainly through Instagram just because I don’t have the same time as I used to.
I hadn’t realised you’d posted this until scrolling through TikTok a few minutes ago and someone had posted a couple of clips from this video & am currently only 3 minutes in but, I am totally taken aback that you’d taken that time out of your day to speak to someone who effectively ruined a large amount of your life for a good portion from the last decade.
I don’t really know what the point of this comment is but I just really wanted to say that I admire you as much as I used to but probably even more so after seeing you have this chance to speak with someone so eloquently, who deliberately went out to ruin you. That’s inspirational.
So much love to you all 🤍
I can’t like her I’m really sorry. I don’t understand why people troll! And ruin people’s lives!
She’s evil and she’s trying to backtrack
Please don’t apologise. You’re entitled to feel this way and I agree with you. Nothing can excuse her behaviour, it has a detrimental effect on others lives.
It's the fact that these trolls act as if their own lives are perfect, which i'm going to hazard a guess and say their lives are far from perfect, yet they expect vloggers to be crystal clean and not slip up once.
@@telle7527 it’s not ok... she made their life HELL how would you like it if what she did damaged your life
To be fair...I think Lily was very brave to come on and face Jonathan and Anna. Everyone deserves a second chance.
I think this video clearly shows Anna’s loving, caring and forgiving personality...despite the trouble Lily caused, Anna can still relate and show love and compassion towards her. It’s a lovely quality ❤️
This was hard to watch. Anna you are better than I, I wouldn’t give her the time of day tbh.
“I don’t want people to feel sorry for me cause I’m crying”.... ummm...NO ONE feels sorry for you!! I could barely watch this, it was making me so angry and frustrated. Anna and Jonathon are amazing people to sit here and be pleasant towards her.
Watching a full ad and not skipping it so Jonathan can get back some of that money lost 🙃😂
Thank you for sharing this guys!
😂😂😂
Love this!!!
Does not skipping ad's make a difference? Really wondering!! I thought clicking on the website makes more?
They deserve the best!!!!!
@@sasaoldbarn i am not 100% sure but there are different levels of ad profit for example not skipping the ad and watching X seconds or watching the whole ad or actually clicking on the ad or purchasing the product/service from the ad. All of these have different profit points for the creator 😁
@@sasaoldbarn Watching the ads are what generate the actual income from what I understand. Clicking on the videos is more about YT algorithms and visibility on YT. Both are necessary but the actual $ comes from the ad revenue.
I manage comments/community for a Vlogger, and I have a folder of usernames and screen shots of horrible comments people made. Sometimes, I go back to the comments & respond as the Vlogger, and get some intense apologies. Hurt people hurt people, but then there’s this whole world of people who entered these forums & completely forgot you are HUMAN BEINGS.
I organized the VloggerFair event for years, and I was able to meet so many people and work with them, and maybe 5% of them were disappointing.
This is cathartic to watch, I took every comment people made to my employers personally, I had trouble understanding just why and still wish I could talk to every single negative commenter and troll.
I think she is brave to discuss her behaviour, but I can’t comprehend it. She is making a joke of serious comments and back tracking to make herself sound like the victim. Crying and changing topics/avoiding questions is manipulative. Saying sorry then trying to justify it isn’t an apology. ADHD is not an excuse, it doesn’t make it ok to make those comments. Bravo to both of you, you handled this very well.
I agree with this very strongly! Very well said.
thats literally how people with adhd act in uncomfortable situations tho
@@allienoa_ I know people with ADHD and I’m fully aware of how their behaviour effects them. However, it doesn’t make her behaviour acceptable and using ADHD as an excuse for making someone else’s life hell is not ok.
Yes I love this comment ! U aren't hating on her (because some of the people on here are and In my opinion that makes them just as bad) u are simply just getting out your frustration. Beautifully worded 👏
@@lauren523 I think Jonathan was referring to the 'joke' he got a lot of hate for whereas she was just saying she understands that now and wouldn't hate on it as she does things like that in her everyday life. Correct me if I'm wrong but at no point did u hear her talk about her ADHD in relation to her trolling ?
NOOOO I can’t believe she’s Australian. Haven’t even watched yet but as an Australian, we don’t claim her.😭
This is such an interesting episode! I can’t think of anyone else who’s done this sort of thing - not confronting, but having a mature and in depth conversation about the ins and outs of trolling. Obviously trolling is incredibly wrong, but it’s so important to remember that we’re all humans with complex emotions and backgrounds - there are no Disney villains or heroes in real life.
Exactly! 💗
The look of anger on Jonathan's face says it all. I hope this woman's story has an effect on those who are currently trolling people, including this family.
she is still trolling
Only a few minutes in and she seems proud of her actions by laughing at the situation, giving herself props for using her real name in her username, and even saying "guru gossip represent." She does not come across as genuine to me. She still thinks its funny. She's just talking about herself. Jonathan and Anna: you are very strong and kind people to be open to listen and give her the time of day.
She’s not actually laughing. People that are ashamed or embarrassed or in pain laugh and make jokes. Also a symptom of adhd ...
@@Gohappygirl well it's not really the right place to laugh. She has put Anna and Jonathan through years of pain and she is laughing and avoiding answering the questions. Trying to make a joke out of a serious situation is not okay. She should have held herself accountable for her actions. Anna and Jonathan were very strong and i dont know how they were so calm during this interview.
@@stella14 did you read my comment... she’s not making a joke or laughing on purpose. I hope you don’t have any mental health problems and never have to experience what it’s like to be in an uncomfortable or sad situation because that’s what happens
@@Gohappygirl girl i do laugh when I'm stressed or uncomfortable and i get that she could be too and that's her way of coping with it. But considering what she did to them and not really answering what she has been asked, it really doesn't sit well with me especially when she makes a joke and laughs.
@@stella14 yes I agree she didn’t answer very many questions
As a non-confrontational person myself I can feel Anna's discomfort. But GO ON JONATHAN! 😅
She just keeps deflecting the questions!! Jonathan keeps asking her genuine questions and she just makes it about herself to make us feel sorry for her. All she talks about is stuff that happened on these forums but she distances herself from it, when she was such a major part. It all feels like a massive guilt trip. She turned the whole thing into her life when it should’ve been 25% her life and 75% her taking accountability to the trolling and the hurt she caused.
Agree. I couldn’t care less about her life story. She answered for way too long about every questions and dithered on so much she forgot the question. Painful
I understand the frustration in some of the comments, but I don't think Jonathan and Anna made this video with the purpose of having Lily subsequently be ript appart in the comments. I dont think it is for us to say whether if she has or hasn’t changed. This video is a beautiful example of how someone who has hurt another in the past, can come to the table with a willingness to hear and ask for forgiveness :). I really appreciated how loving and warm your response was Jonathan and Anna!!!
We will never know her true intentions, but that is not for us anyway. As you said, I think the concept behind this video was to start a conversation about online trolling and the lasting ramifications. If others get an understanding that hurt people hurt people then that's a bonus. I think there were a lot of good observations noted above, but being insulting is never necessary. May she learn big lessons from this conversation today that will help her continue to build a more positive life.
I cannot understand whatsoever. I have been unhappy in my life and never would I think to be this cruel to people to make myself feel better. This does show how kind Anna is because she actually feels bad for someone who hurt them. This has to have been hard to tape because it was hard to watch.
I know right I suffer with mental health I live on my own don't have family in my life but would never turn on people -- I hate too that people talk about people's mental health when they do something for instance as big as murder etc like we aren't all the same please don't stereotype us !!
That’s what I thought 🤔 how could you be unacceptable mean just because you are unhappy with yourself 🤷🏽♀️
@@nataliekoop but I suppose that's what happens when bullies become bullies in school they are being bullied themselves some where else -- not that that is acceptable but definitely should grow out of it when you leave school
It’s probably projection? Like she hates them so much but in reality it’s herself she hates. I’d be surprised if any troll is genuinely happy with their life. It does not excuse that behaviour though.
@@Ms89Monkeylover never said that
I would love to see you guys have this conversation from a different perspective with Mrs Meldrum who was trolled so harshly until she felt she had to quit youtube and stop sharing her life and her kids to keep them safe.
Even though Anna thinks she’s admirable, I think Jonathan and Anna were admirable on how they handled the whole situation and are addressing something that is so current and affects people on a daily basis head on! I loved you before and I love you even more now! Anna is just the most beautiful person inside and out ❤️
That’s exactly what I thought. So compassionate xx
I have never been so annoyed at a person on a screen! She just sat there and laughed and smiled through the whole talk. She clearly has no remorse for the troubles she has caused! It’s not a laughing matter and even now she can’t grasp the snowball effect she caused to their business and family. The podcast was so in interesting, and it’s sad that even now she can’t give a genuine apology. Also anna didn’t not need to feel bad about her crying, it’s the least she can do!!
Well done to Jonathan for showing her the damage she really caused to him and his family. I still don’t think she realises what damage she caused to be honest and didn’t see much regret within her and her actions.
Jonathan seems so much more closed off than Anna which is completely understandable, but the troll seems shocked at his response to her like she expects him to just be like OH HEYYY. Honestly the way Anna is welcoming her in almost like a friend is admirable. Her sweet nature is really showing through in this it seems impossible to me that people doubt that you’re kind people. I’m halfway through and feel like she’s really overacting to try and prove she’s a nice person now 🤷🏻♀️ she may be now but.. meh
Anna’s putting on a fake nice act. She once wrote a really “sweet, nice” message to a drama channel in order to prevent him from speaking out on the family. Then when he said he disagrees with them exploiting their kids, she totally changed her tone and showed he true colours. Don’t be so easily fooled.
@@user-oi4bf9cr6e was she supposed to react kindly to someone criticising her parenting when they don’t know her, have never met her in fact? I hate that women are expected to always be kind and sweet no matter what is thrown at them, it’s not ‘showing your true colours’ to occasionally react emotionally to something that upsets you. Anna is a human just like you with feelings that can be hurt, please tell me with all honesty that you have never said something in a moment of upset or anger that you wouldn’t have said normally? No hate, I just think if everyone was a bit more understanding then the world would be a better place.
What strikes me the most is that she's a mother and was at the time of her trolling, like what an example to set for your kids!👀
His name is not Jon.
I think all the trolls secretly want to be your best friends and are just very jealous of your success. I totally agree when Lilly says that there's a huge element of jealousy going on. If I come across someone on youtube that I don't like I turn off their video and move on. But to actively troll someone means that a lot more is going on and jealousy is probably a major factor. I can understand why people would be jealous when you, at one point, put out "perfect life" vlogs. I am a SAHM of 4 small children, TRYING to run a youtube channel and I spend most days with my hair undone, no make up on, walking about in a tracksuit! And when I see beautiful Anna so perfectly put together every day it makes me feel like I am not good enough and should miraculously have the time to cook, clean, look after the kids, upload videos AND look perfect. But recently you have talked about having a cleaner and a nanny (which I don't) and that makes me feel better about not having time to shower most days! LOL. Thank you for being so real lately, opening up about your hardships and speaking the truth. I love it and feel like you are so relatable and comforting to watch. We are all struggling and to see that others are too makes you feel less alone and encourages you to just keep on doing the best you can and that that is enough. Is it weird that I've fallen in love with the troll Lilly???? She seems so remorseful, funny, sweet and lovely! I'd watch her if she started a channel! xxxx
Jonathan good for you for keeping her accountable for her behavior. It was never okay or acceptable what she did to you guys.
I don’t know something about her gives me the chills!
Listening to her story proves karma is real. Negative mind = Negative life. I truly hope her life has turned a corner and she is in a better place. Well done Anna and Jonathan - This was incredibly eye opening and brave.
Johnathon stays in control of making sure he gets them questions answered, making sure he gets the most out of this time with her to enable him to understand why it happened. Proud of you both for doing this, it was a hard thing for both of you to face!
I dont understand why the questions asked where actually avoided? None of the answers where straight forward. Now I dont want to "troll" her but I dont understand why we heard more about her life rather than explaining what she has done and taking accountability for her actions.
She deflected all the questions because she’s fake. She isn’t sorry at all. She can’t be sorry when she barley even can’t admit what she did. It’s just all about her ...
I’m with Jonathan why should he be overly kind to this women? She has caused a lot of pain for this family.
I really want to hug Anna, shes just a beautiful person. And i really strongly agree with Jonathans comments and im happy she knows the damage she caused. I dont understand how someone can be that evil
she is what is wrong with the world, why is she trying to act above others she’s just as bad as every other troll
People can CHANGE. This video is literally her holding herself accountable and apologising for her past actions whilst hoping to inspire current trolls to do the same.
@@amycreedon6922 let’s hope
What you have just commented is a troll comment. So does that mean you are what’s wrong with the world too?