I see some Hindus leaving positive comments on the video. Thank you! We pagans ⚡and Hindus 🕉 need to support each other because the Abrahamic (✝✡☪) maniacs want to crush us! That is not hyperbole!
thanks man. respect. we all had common ancestors at some point of time in history. never forget you culture. we preserved Vedic tradition, the legacy of aryas, our ancestors, for thousands of years from barbaric abrahamic brutes. stay strong.
Fascinating! Is this how an authentic Lithuanian pagan ritual would of really been conducted in pre-Christian times? I ask because I have a huge fascination with the Baltic Crusades (aka 'The Northern Crusades'). Also, what is it that the leader of the ritual is pouring on the fire and drinking at the end of the ritual?
In this instance I think it was malt drink (a similar beverage to beer, except that the alcohol content is less than 1%). But generally, mead, ale, beer or this malt drink (gira) can all be used as a token of respect for the goods and deaceased ancestors. If the sacrifice is performed not to a fire, then water and milk can be used too. Milk was commonly poured as a sacrifice to grass-snakes, even nowadays in the countryside people often do this.
What I personally find interesting about this is it seems somewhat similar to Zoroastrianism! The interesting thing is that Zoroastrianism is the predecessor of the 3 main Abrahamic religions! However... I'm trying to talk about how they use fire to communicate to said god (Perkunas). Zoroastrians thought that fire was a symbol of purity, and god itself (The specific god mentioned is Ahura Mazda), and used it for specific rituals! (Such as praying, blessings, and even comtemplation) I just wanted to point out that observation... not only because it's a fun fact, but because every religion is derived from some sort of pagan belief! However this is my personal obvservation and you don't have to believe it! Anyways I hope you understand and enjoy my comment :)
Your observation is very much on point: both Baltic and Indo-Iranian people were the decendents of proto-Indo-European, so cultural similarities as well as linguistic were not superficial but, in fact, stemming from the same origin and fundamental.
in old religions strong knowledge and wisdom from far far times that nobody forget mighty happenings on earth and our gods similar to a grandpa fafar time with another techniques who lost by catastrophal earth war times alla star wars against the greys you can read on edda ,santas of perun , vedas ,kalevala......
i can't make out whether it's sown from woolen cloth or knitted in the video - both techniques are frequently used in the reconstruction of archaeological costumes in Lithuania. In this video you can see closeup of both types: ruclips.net/video/IKw0kb23Kms/видео.html
It seems a solid felt hat, not cloth nor knitted (in my opinion). Maybe i'll buy a women's hat and cut down the brim. Thank you, that link was useful too.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel - my guess would be a felted crochet hat. I'm not aware of any felting techniques used by ancient balts other than felting woven or crocheted items - possibly knitted. In extant garments, I've only seen crochet headpieces, not knitted (though I myself have a couple of knitted caps).
That was interesting. I think the issue is not interpretation, but the creation of a new orthodoxy. I've never been convinced that pagan ''worship'' isn't ultimately monotheistc. These people lived very difficult (and different) lives from the ones that we live, so the structures of their ceremonies were bound to and given meaning by tradition. It's not the same when you finish your ceremony and drive home in your car to a flush toilet.
***** When you talk about the possibility of Baltic paganism having been monotheistic do you have in mind the theory about Praamžius through polytheistic monism or something different?
Baltic folk Before Zeus there was Cronos, Before Cronos,Uranus, who was the husband AND son of Gaia. We know from archeology that the ancient hebrews (supposed monotheists) had household gods. Somewhere in Genesis, it says God became displeased with sacrifices to him when it BECAME idolatry. And I think that's the point. Religious beliefs were part of everyday day life. You approach the monad through what you know. Wind, fire, water, etc. We do the same thing today, Father Christmas or Santa Claus is that kind of ''god''. I think we tend to use the term ''worship'' in a monotheistic way that Baltic pagans would have seen as superstitious idolatry. So yes, I do think there is a polytheistic monism at the core of baltic beliefs. I don't know anything about a formal theory, just what I observe people doing.
Gelezinis Vilkas - yes but Christianity is the same, little of the truth Christianity has remained, like reincarnation that Christianity believed in, so neo paganism = paganism, because we do not call Christianity - Neo Christianity! Long life Baltic culture, long live paganism!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Gelezinis Vilkas Well there are indisputable records showing polytheism and while many pagan peoples did have a God who was the highest to say it was monism is almost completely laughable.Just take a look at Greece we know philosophy aside that Zeus was never seen as some Brahman type figure with Apollo,Ares,Heracles etc all being part of him.Even in Egypt with the creator Gods Amun,Atum,Ptah,etc all the other Gods are called their children in the unas texts and the pyramid texts.The title father of the Gods comes up a lot and even the myths reflect polytheism not monism.
I'd like to contact a Lithuanian person that practices romuva. I am a Pole and i want to find my own beliefs, not these that were placed upon me right after birth by christians. I am serious and id love to get only serious answers
I am a Romuva elder in the US. Are you located in Poland or elsewhere? There is a Polish group that practices pre-christian faith. I can't recall the name off the top of my head. There are several Romuva Facebook groups you can join and we have a website: romuva.us that at the moment isn't very robust, but we are working on that. I'm not aware of any Romuva faction within Poland, but I don't know the European diaspora well.
@@TheSabaton1 According to different accounts, rodzimowiercy, which is Polish for Native Faith believers, are today either the sixth- or seventh-biggest religious group in Poland.
+Ivan Petryshyn I see your point but these people are not overly concerned with meticulously recreating what once was, they rather seem to be acting out what they feel here and now - their intention is to let the sparkle that is still warm (the part of paganism which has not been forgotten) to burn freely, not to suffocate it by over-acting, so viewing it from an outsiders point of view it seems genuine enough.
Ivan Petryshyn going by that logic you might as well dismiss the whole Lithuanian language as the earliest _written_ attestations only come from the early 16th century. And yet linguists consider it to be the most archaic living Indo-European language - a sharp contrast with, e.:g. English which has developed a written tradition very early on but Old English is barely intelligible with Modern English. Lack of written tradition often means that the oral tradition is strong which appears to be better at conserving ancient spirit. Look at Sanskrit: it was passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth retaining many features of proto-Indo-European language but once it was written down it gradually developed into Hindi which barely resembles it.
Yes. Although I don't think that it should be understood that they worship Thunder as such, it's more like a rite to revere the spirit of a thunder,the idea of strength, will, might.
Warren, I understand that it may be difficult to understand from outsde but Perkūnas as a deity does not necessarily mean that people are literaly supposed to pray for the natural phenomenon of lightning. It's a bit more abstract than that. The same holds true for the rest of Baltic pantheon worship.
Greetings from India. We worship him by the name of Parjanya.
Hail the God of thunder and lightning.
@Master Yoda Parjanya is an another name of Indra.
@@DurgeshYadav-ip1zr no Parjanya is not Indra
@@Texasmade74its just another name of indra , but indra is commonly used
Es priecājos, ka senie Baltu tautu Dievi nav aizmirsti. Baltieši ir pagāni, to mums ir jāatceras. Mēs nedrīkstam atteikties no saviem Dieviem.
Lai godāti sentēvu Dievi, kā tas no iesākuma ir bijis, tā tagad un vienmēr lai ir! Visa slava senajiem Dieviem un senajām Dievietēm!
Much Love from INDIA 🇮🇳♥️🇱🇹
Jai Bhagwan 🙏📿
I see some Hindus leaving positive comments on the video. Thank you! We pagans ⚡and Hindus 🕉 need to support each other because the Abrahamic (✝✡☪) maniacs want to crush us! That is not hyperbole!
thanks man. respect. we all had common ancestors at some point of time in history. never forget you culture. we preserved Vedic tradition, the legacy of aryas, our ancestors, for thousands of years from barbaric abrahamic brutes. stay strong.
Blessings from the followers of the Thunder God Hadad of Kanaan. May your worship endure!
This is so moving it's making me cry!
Lmao
@The Brown Hound, let me guess you're a Christian?
Perkunas Dydis!
Lai godāts Dievs Pērkons, kā tas no iesākuma ir bijis, tā tagad un vienmēr lai ir! Visa slava Pērkonam! Visa slava Pērkonam - Debesu Tēvam!
I was there and it was beautiful..
You are my cousin ,I m from india
वैदिक पर्जन्य-सूक्तम्
vaidika parjanya-sūktam
Begins with the word
आदित्य .... āditya ...
--
Потому что литовский один из наиболее древних индоевропейских языков и имеет очень много слов с индоиранскими языками
Best regards from Italy!
🌹❤️🇮🇹🌈🇱🇹❤️🌹
thnx baltik bro you very interest , the perkunas tradition from romovus are great and braveful , remindme strong on a living kalevala live style
Fascinating! Is this how an authentic Lithuanian pagan ritual would of really been conducted in pre-Christian times? I ask because I have a huge fascination with the Baltic Crusades (aka 'The Northern Crusades'). Also, what is it that the leader of the ritual is pouring on the fire and drinking at the end of the ritual?
In this instance I think it was malt drink (a similar beverage to beer, except that the alcohol content is less than 1%). But generally, mead, ale, beer or this malt drink (gira) can all be used as a token of respect for the goods and deaceased ancestors. If the sacrifice is performed not to a fire, then water and milk can be used too. Milk was commonly poured as a sacrifice to grass-snakes, even nowadays in the countryside people often do this.
You have to pour some for the Gods and ancestors.
Baltic purity.
Sława Gromowładnemu !
Sława Perunowi!
Songs my ancestors would have sung...why I was fascinated with pagan faiths.
Are you pagan
Aho! Thank you for posting this!!!
i love old nors balt slav kelt and all others even all baltiques and norse and vedas
Respect 🔥🙏👊
What I personally find interesting about this is it seems somewhat similar to Zoroastrianism! The interesting thing is that Zoroastrianism is the predecessor of the 3 main Abrahamic religions! However... I'm trying to talk about how they use fire to communicate to said god (Perkunas). Zoroastrians thought that fire was a symbol of purity, and god itself (The specific god mentioned is Ahura Mazda), and used it for specific rituals! (Such as praying, blessings, and even comtemplation) I just wanted to point out that observation... not only because it's a fun fact, but because every religion is derived from some sort of pagan belief! However this is my personal obvservation and you don't have to believe it! Anyways I hope you understand and enjoy my comment :)
Your observation is very much on point: both Baltic and Indo-Iranian people were the decendents of proto-Indo-European, so cultural similarities as well as linguistic were not superficial but, in fact, stemming from the same origin and fundamental.
Our worship is same in north india....
A little difference but same here
How is it same?..
We don't sing like this..
Their clothes are different.
Gods are similar because it's indo european.
Perkūnas - Perun
and in Latvian it is Perkons
Perkele in Finnish
@@FinQuerilla XD
And in Prussian it's Perkūns
Prajanya in Sanskrit.
in old religions strong knowledge and wisdom from far far times that nobody forget mighty happenings on earth and our gods similar to a grandpa fafar time with another techniques who lost by catastrophal earth war times alla star wars against the greys you can read on edda ,santas of perun , vedas ,kalevala......
PERKUN*THUNDER*PERUN*WINGED
*MIC*HAIL*EL*i*ASS*PER(K)UN*
Lord of thunder indra
i want to know how that type of hat is made
i can't make out whether it's sown from woolen cloth or knitted in the video - both techniques are frequently used in the reconstruction of archaeological costumes in Lithuania. In this video you can see closeup of both types: ruclips.net/video/IKw0kb23Kms/видео.html
It seems a solid felt hat, not cloth nor knitted (in my opinion). Maybe i'll buy a women's hat and cut down the brim.
Thank you, that link was useful too.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel - my guess would be a felted crochet hat. I'm not aware of any felting techniques used by ancient balts other than felting woven or crocheted items - possibly knitted. In extant garments, I've only seen crochet headpieces, not knitted (though I myself have a couple of knitted caps).
That was interesting. I think the issue is not interpretation, but the creation of a new orthodoxy. I've never been convinced that pagan ''worship'' isn't ultimately monotheistc. These people lived very difficult (and different) lives from the ones that we live, so the structures of their ceremonies were bound to and given meaning by tradition. It's not the same when you finish your ceremony and drive home in your car to a flush toilet.
***** When you talk about the possibility of Baltic paganism having been monotheistic do you have in mind the theory about Praamžius through polytheistic monism or something different?
Baltic folk Before Zeus there was Cronos, Before Cronos,Uranus, who was the husband AND son of Gaia. We know from archeology that the ancient hebrews (supposed monotheists) had household gods. Somewhere in Genesis, it says God became displeased with sacrifices to him when it BECAME idolatry. And I think that's the point. Religious beliefs were part of everyday day life. You approach the monad through what you know. Wind, fire, water, etc. We do the same thing today, Father Christmas or Santa Claus is that kind of ''god''. I think we tend to use the term ''worship'' in a monotheistic way that Baltic pagans would have seen as superstitious idolatry. So yes, I do think there is a polytheistic monism at the core of baltic beliefs. I don't know anything about a formal theory, just what I observe people doing.
Gelezinis Vilkas You couldn't be more wrong and as an actual scholar the bible has been debunked
Gelezinis Vilkas - yes but Christianity is the same, little of the truth Christianity has remained, like reincarnation that Christianity believed in, so neo paganism = paganism, because we do not call Christianity - Neo Christianity! Long life Baltic culture, long live paganism!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Gelezinis Vilkas Well there are indisputable records showing polytheism and while many pagan peoples did have a God who was the highest to say it was monism is almost completely laughable.Just take a look at Greece we know philosophy aside that Zeus was never seen as some Brahman type figure with Apollo,Ares,Heracles etc all being part of him.Even in Egypt with the creator Gods Amun,Atum,Ptah,etc all the other Gods are called their children in the unas texts and the pyramid texts.The title father of the Gods comes up a lot and even the myths reflect polytheism not monism.
jod odin jod maya iggdrasil jod micha baltic
I'd like to contact a Lithuanian person that practices romuva. I am a Pole and i want to find my own beliefs, not these that were placed upon me right after birth by christians.
I am serious and id love to get only serious answers
I am a Romuva elder in the US. Are you located in Poland or elsewhere? There is a Polish group that practices pre-christian faith. I can't recall the name off the top of my head. There are several Romuva Facebook groups you can join and we have a website: romuva.us that at the moment isn't very robust, but we are working on that. I'm not aware of any Romuva faction within Poland, but I don't know the European diaspora well.
@@EsmereldaPea thanks for the information, yes I'm in Poland. I'll probably contact someone through the email given at the websites. Thanks again!
@@TheSabaton1 According to different accounts, rodzimowiercy, which is Polish for Native Faith believers, are today either the sixth- or seventh-biggest religious group in Poland.
an attempt to rebirth the forgotten is just an invention of a new semi-religion
+Ivan Petryshyn I see your point but these people are not overly concerned with meticulously recreating what once was, they rather seem to be acting out what they feel here and now - their intention is to let the sparkle that is still warm (the part of paganism which has not been forgotten) to burn freely, not to suffocate it by over-acting, so viewing it from an outsiders point of view it seems genuine enough.
I understand that, but as there not really any manuscripts but only the oral tradition, it all seems to be not ligit.
+Ivan Petryshyn There are many Manuscripts however they are not ancient.
Ivan Petryshyn going by that logic you might as well dismiss the whole Lithuanian language as the earliest _written_ attestations only come from the early 16th century. And yet linguists consider it to be the most archaic living Indo-European language - a sharp contrast with, e.:g. English which has developed a written tradition very early on but Old English is barely intelligible with Modern English. Lack of written tradition often means that the oral tradition is strong which appears to be better at conserving ancient spirit. Look at Sanskrit: it was passed down from generation to generation by word of mouth retaining many features of proto-Indo-European language but once it was written down it gradually developed into Hindi which barely resembles it.
Ivan Petryshyn actually much of the mythology as well as some of the rites have come down to us
Is this serious?? :(
Yes. Although I don't think that it should be understood that they worship Thunder as such, it's more like a rite to revere the spirit of a thunder,the idea of strength, will, might.
ok :)
Baltic folk No they really do worship Perkunas and i knoe ethnic Romuva who'll tell you that they worship the Baltic pantheon
Warren, I understand that it may be difficult to understand from outsde but Perkūnas as a deity does not necessarily mean that people are literaly supposed to pray for the natural phenomenon of lightning. It's a bit more abstract than that. The same holds true for the rest of Baltic pantheon worship.
@@Balticfolk thunder = logos