@@psd28 these are uncommon, (from my perspective) and they are a nice engine used in pickups and semi trucks. They’re also called screamin’ jimmies because when they have just a high idle like a chainsaw
@@psd28 100 horsepower but you get 20 MPG and a engine that sounds good and is indestructible. A 3-53T in a Ranger gets 50 MPG and I recently seen a 2-53T in a Ranger I bet it gets 70 MPG. 2 stroke diesels are very efficient and durable, the military had a 2 stroke diesel dirt bike that got 300 MPG!
@@psd28 well I like the Detroit engines because they sound great, last forever, and can get great fuel economy depending on setup. And I plan on getting the following built. 1980s Square Body Chevy dually with a 4-53T which will get 20 MPG. 1960s Ford Mustang with a 2-53T which would probably get around 70 MPG.
Not my truck, but it gets over 20MPG and yes, lots of power. This kind of transplant was done many times in the 70's simply for the purpose of trailering. Thanks!
This looks like a truck I saw around 1980 in Escondido, CA. The one I saw could pull a quick wheelie. Way before its time. I always wondered what happened to the dude who built it. He was a cool dude. Always talking mechanical stuff.
I didn't do this truck... it's not mine, I'm just using it for inspiration. Some swaps don't take long at all... just have all of your parts figured out before starting the job and it will go smoothly
Cost isn't bad... find a good used engine and gather used truck parts here and there and start piecing it together. Most can be accomplished well within a low budget. I bought my engine for $500 (6V53) , got transmissions for scrap price, driveline parts for free, HD rear axle for $800, Donor truck for scrap price, etc. Patience saves money! It's also fun looking for all the stuff!!
Ain't it fun to get parts for little or no money? Just for the knowledge that you got the best of another man? hahahahahaha and then you can brag about how you are the better man. hahahahahaha Money-grubbers are all over the world, like a disease. Money grubbing ends like all the other hungers do, in the grave. Live it up while you can.
@matty8371 Detroit diesels are two stroke, they sound like they are running twice as fast. Instead of a power stroke every 4 strokes, they make power every 2.
I talked to GM engineering back in the 70's and they were actually working on a prototype and doing tests but decided it was noisier than the average buyer would like. I disagree - I think with some sound insulation that truck buyers would have bought tons of them and GM could have made money as it was a well proven in house engine so no design expense other than installation. GM Allison even had a well designed and proven 4 sp. automatic to put in it. (at540)
Would have been a great option in the c20 and c30, but as Kevin said it would have been noisier then most customers wanted in that type of truck. In a commercial vehicle noise isn't as important as operator comfort is often an after thought in those. I still think a 4-53 would have been a better option then the 6.2 diesel that was offered in the light duty trucks.
all detroit diesels have blowers since they are scavenger engines. if it didnt have a blower on it it would not run since the air wouldnt be pressurized to force into the cylinder wich inreturns forces the exaust out of the cylinder. complex yet simple system.
Nothing sounds like a 2 stroke Detroit with that blower whine! I went to school on the 2 strokes back in the 80's and can't remember the specs, but isn't that blower about 2:1 overdriven? If so at high idle (about 2200rpms) the blower will be turning about 4400rpms. Correct? The Detroit's were a fascinating design. People that are not familiar with the Detroit design don't understand that it won't run without the blower, which is nothing more than an positive displacement air pump that fills a plenum around the pistons with air that enters the cylinder liners as the pistons travel down on the power stroke and the intake ports open. As the pistons go back up the ports close and you have the compression and power stroke. Like true 2 strokes they fire ever 360 degrees of crank revolution versus every 720 degrees for 4 strokes. This also inherently make them a dirty engine and somewhat smokey. There are 4 valves per cylinder, but they are all exhaust valves, so Detroit's don't need intake valves. The fuel injectors on a Detroit are true injector, and not just a nozzle like on a regular diesel with an injection pump. The injectors are cam driven by rocker-arms centered between the 4 valves. Great engines for turning diesel fuel into noise and smoke!
The simplicity and durability are what drew me to them in the first place! Get fuel anywhere near them, and they will run, and perform! New, or worn out, they will get the job done.
Really sweet set up. One thing that comes to mind...diesel with pneumatic start. If you have an air leak that bleeds down over night, and no auxiliary air available, how can you get the engine cranked over.
woppini. All the old equipment I ran had electric start. Even the scrapers with 12v71tt . add 2 quarts oil after lunch and add a quart to the 6v91t on the rear. Giddy up Go
@@NH2112Exactly. In my opinion there's no excuses for leaking air systems. How hard is to put in a new hose section or replace some fittings. Detroit's start straight away and with an air starter only have to push the button for a split second to crank it
@@andrewking4885 And if repairing an air leak is too much of a hassle, because it can be a huge hassle the way mfrs run air lines & wiring in 1 big bundle, just put a ball valve inline with the tank that feeds the air starter. And remember to close/open it. Or like we do so trucks don’t have to be run in the shop to build up air, put a tire valve in an unused port on the compressor governor.
@@NH2112 Cheers from Australia. That last paragraph was interesting. So you screw in an air fitting and then just pump air through it like filling a tyre?
Incorrect.......detroit 2 stroke diesels have a wet sump and a oil pump.......they also have a roots type blower other wise they wont run....only lawn mowers etc have induction via the crank case
GM was incredibly stupid and dense not to offer a Detroit in their model line like this. Especially with the fact that they owned Detroit Diesel at the time. If I'm not mistaken, I think they did offer these engines in south America or some special places.
lots of mack trucks had air starters you could try searching them, you should get plenty of links and information from that.......there very similar to pneumatic drills etc only bigger and with a lot more torque to crank over an engine....You can still get them on the new Mack trucks i believe, not sure if any other vehicles have them on it
Odd the oldest best trk driver of 50s brag on ihc 406 pasing a cummins when they 1st put in a semi and no their were not always trucks without plugs but mho 3406 cat rules in ur thot of no plugs
I have a few questions. #1 is where can I buy a decent detroit engine? #2 is how much would it cost? and #3 is what all did you have to do to make it fit and work with the chevrolet transmission?
By the way detroits are GM Chevrolet is GM. Just a little input for future reference. Talk to an engine machine shop then hit the junk yards bring one of the guys with you. If nessisary they can cut whatever you need to fit whatever.
Same way if you have a dead battery in the morning with no battery charger or jumper cables. Get somebody to jump you, or in this case, call somebody with a 12v air compressor.
technicly it would take care of it, but instead DD left the blower on it, just upgraded it. a regular one is setup to just suck in natural (not pressurized air), and the turbocharged engines have a upgraded blower ment for pressurized air. even though people do, you should not run a DD Turbo model without the turbo on, and you should not run a regular one with a turbo or you take a chance of either damaging or starving the engine since the blowers are geared diferent. it does make sence.
Not all.. Many older boat and tractor engines use the crankcase as a pump like gas 2-strokes. Examples are Lanz Bulldog, Bolinder-Munktell and big 2 stroke boat engines. This type of engine has a total loss lubrication system that may be somewhat dangerous. If the crankase is overflowed by oil the engine can rev up uncontrollably as it runs on this oil and moreover anything that burns. When a 10ft+ tall old single cylinder boat engine starts doing that you probably better run. :)
Thanks. Wouldn't a turbo take care of that? I so for instance the Detroit 453t, now that is turbocharged, is it also supercharged? so how would any other naturally aspirated diesel work if it doesn't have a pressurized intake?
cXcon; Only 2-strokes like the 453-t, 6v-71 and 8v-92 require both scavenger blower and turbo-boost because of the lack of a fully valve-controlled intake stroke. Some 2-strokes have exhaust valves to better control the cylinder air flow. The pistons pass bottom-dead-center and start their compression-phase as pressurized air is still being 'pushed' into the cylinder until the piston passes the intake ports. There is no intake-stroke per-se, in other words (I think you know this). Whereas a 4-stroke diesel has a regular intake-stroke as the piston moves 'down' creating a low-pressure vacuum condition to suck-in air. Like the now-vintage International 6.9 (420 c.i) and 7.3 L IDI NA engines made thru the 80s and installed in International medium-duty trucks, Ford pickups, vans and schoolbuses. Adequate but nothing to write home about ~ Like most diesels as road powerplants, they really need superchargers and/or turbos to increase their hp, torque and efficiency.
Is there a way to hook up the transfer case to keep the 4WD, or does the presence of a Detroit and its accompanying transmission mean they are all rear wheel drive pickup trucks?
Jimmy Chambers all Diesel engines from gas converted Olds 350 cubic inch up to Issusu of 2019 are just garbage that uses ginea pigs to test for gm by buying and using ! They are all horrible for power/fuel consumption and longivity !!
I am so proud of my Father! He made this conversion way before it was cool to do this. He is a genius when it comes to diesels. Way to go, Pa !!!!
whats so cool about it? these things make like 100 horsepower
@@psd28 these are uncommon, (from my perspective) and they are a nice engine used in pickups and semi trucks. They’re also called screamin’ jimmies because when they have just a high idle like a chainsaw
@@psd28 100 horsepower but you get 20 MPG and a engine that sounds good and is indestructible.
A 3-53T in a Ranger gets 50 MPG and I recently seen a 2-53T in a Ranger I bet it gets 70 MPG.
2 stroke diesels are very efficient and durable, the military had a 2 stroke diesel dirt bike that got 300 MPG!
@@WarFrog935 i have a 6.9 idi and i get maybe 16 mpg but my fuel is free lol so mpg doesnt matter
@@psd28 well I like the Detroit engines because they sound great, last forever, and can get great fuel economy depending on setup.
And I plan on getting the following built.
1980s Square Body Chevy dually with a 4-53T which will get 20 MPG.
1960s Ford Mustang with a 2-53T which would probably get around 70 MPG.
Not my truck, but it gets over 20MPG and yes, lots of power. This kind of transplant was done many times in the 70's simply for the purpose of trailering. Thanks!
Sounds so beautifully set up !! I love that sound and no coal burning !!
4 cylinder. 4-53 means 4 cylinders, 53 cubic inches of displacement per cylinder. 212 C.I.
2 stroke right??!! 2 stroke Diesel is the god of engines, almighty, Endurance is the synonym of 2 stroke Diesel...
What’d It have for a transmission?
@@Oldfarmersgarage if i recall, it was a 4 on the floor and 4x4. He said that it was gear bound.. Needed some overdrive.
Screaming Jimmy the only diesel you can rev them up not worried about blowing head gaskets
I drove a V12 71 twin turbos never worried about blowing up anything 600 horse power!
@@oldmanfromoc7684 850 cubic inches ....😁😁😁
Nothing sounds like a Detroit 😎👍👍
GM had this motor in many c60 and step vans.
Slow loud but cool
Nice job.
Sounds like rack needs tuning at idle.
This looks like a truck I saw around 1980 in Escondido, CA. The one I saw could pull a quick wheelie. Way before its time. I always wondered what happened to the dude who built it. He was a cool dude. Always talking mechanical stuff.
I didn't do this truck... it's not mine, I'm just using it for inspiration. Some swaps don't take long at all... just have all of your parts figured out before starting the job and it will go smoothly
That’s super cool!! I need it!!
Cost isn't bad... find a good used engine and gather used truck parts here and there and start piecing it together. Most can be accomplished well within a low budget. I bought my engine for $500 (6V53) , got transmissions for scrap price, driveline parts for free, HD rear axle for $800, Donor truck for scrap price, etc. Patience saves money! It's also fun looking for all the stuff!!
Ain't it fun to get parts for little or no money? Just for the knowledge that you got the best of another man? hahahahahaha and then you can brag about how you are the better man. hahahahahaha Money-grubbers are all over the world, like a disease. Money grubbing ends like all the other hungers do, in the grave. Live it up while you can.
@@dehoedisc7247 he was getting largely discarded items, and they are affordable. That was his point. Grow up.
Sweet truck nice clean install!!!!! Awesome!
you got to see it to believe it...that's awesome ...that's a real screaming Jimmy...
@matty8371 Detroit diesels are two stroke, they sound like they are running twice as fast. Instead of a power stroke every 4 strokes, they make power every 2.
Wish gm would have done this from factory.
I talked to GM engineering back in the 70's and they were actually working on a prototype and doing tests but decided it was noisier than the average buyer would like. I disagree - I think with some sound insulation that truck buyers would have bought tons of them and GM could have made money as it was a well proven in house engine so no design expense other than installation. GM Allison even had a well designed and proven 4 sp. automatic to put in it. (at540)
Would have been a great option in the c20 and c30, but as Kevin said it would have been noisier then most customers wanted in that type of truck. In a commercial vehicle noise isn't as important as operator comfort is often an after thought in those. I still think a 4-53 would have been a better option then the 6.2 diesel that was offered in the light duty trucks.
with radio delete
@@Hogger280 MT643 would be better. Lock up in 3rd and 4th. AT540 is non lockup and everyone who has one always wants to swap it in for the MT643
all detroit diesels have blowers since they are scavenger engines. if it didnt have a blower on it it would not run since the air wouldnt be pressurized to force into the cylinder wich inreturns forces the exaust out of the cylinder. complex yet simple system.
What a TUFF machine. This would pull like a train.
Theres a 1959 0lds in moose jaw sask canada with a 3208 cat with a allison power train awsome vehicle owned by the owner of rodo pizza.
I love how the woman says “smells like that thing is burning some oil!” Like no kidding lol that’s what a 2 stroke is
These are nothing like a 2 Stoke gas engine and dont need oil in the fuel
Definitely not the same as a two stroke gas engine
@@warrenmcelroy4718 exactly
Detroit Diesel = add a gal. Of oil& check the fuel!
Dream truck right there!
It's illegal in Alaska for a women to speak when a detroit is present and running..
lumberjak5010 I would think that would be the perfect time for a woman to speak… No way she could be heard!
This made my day
@WILDn WHEELING304
Would that 304 be in a jeep?
🤣🤣🤣
🤣😂
Nothing sounds like a 2 stroke Detroit with that blower whine! I went to school on the 2 strokes back in the 80's and can't remember the specs, but isn't that blower about 2:1 overdriven? If so at high idle (about 2200rpms) the blower will be turning about 4400rpms. Correct? The Detroit's were a fascinating design. People that are not familiar with the Detroit design don't understand that it won't run without the blower, which is nothing more than an positive displacement air pump that fills a plenum around the pistons with air that enters the cylinder liners as the pistons travel down on the power stroke and the intake ports open. As the pistons go back up the ports close and you have the compression and power stroke. Like true 2 strokes they fire ever 360 degrees of crank revolution versus every 720 degrees for 4 strokes. This also inherently make them a dirty engine and somewhat smokey. There are 4 valves per cylinder, but they are all exhaust valves, so Detroit's don't need intake valves. The fuel injectors on a Detroit are true injector, and not just a nozzle like on a regular diesel with an injection pump. The injectors are cam driven by rocker-arms centered between the 4 valves. Great engines for turning diesel fuel into noise and smoke!
The simplicity and durability are what drew me to them in the first place! Get fuel anywhere near them, and they will run, and perform! New, or worn out, they will get the job done.
very nice rig , bet it pulls good .
The Diesel Confab is next weekend, July 12,13,14, 2013 at 81861 Roxboro Line, Walton Ontario
well i appreciate your insight sir. Hard to find a bunch of good infor on some of these detroits. Man do i want a 453 t !
Beautiful Truck!
Awesome sound.Detroit diesel rules
Awesome truck!
Finally, someone that made a 4-53 fit under a stock pickup hood. Make that person a custom 453 emblem for the grill! What's the air compressor for?
Air powered starter!! Even cooler!!
Really sweet set up. One thing that comes to mind...diesel with pneumatic start. If you have an air leak that bleeds down over night, and no auxiliary air available, how can you get the engine cranked over.
woppini. All the old equipment I ran had electric start. Even the scrapers with 12v71tt . add 2 quarts oil after lunch and add a quart to the 6v91t on the rear. Giddy up Go
Fix the air leak.
@@NH2112Exactly. In my opinion there's no excuses for leaking air systems. How hard is to put in a new hose section or replace some fittings.
Detroit's start straight away and with an air starter only have to push the button for a split second to crank it
@@andrewking4885 And if repairing an air leak is too much of a hassle, because it can be a huge hassle the way mfrs run air lines & wiring in 1 big bundle, just put a ball valve inline with the tank that feeds the air starter. And remember to close/open it. Or like we do so trucks don’t have to be run in the shop to build up air, put a tire valve in an unused port on the compressor governor.
@@NH2112 Cheers from Australia. That last paragraph was interesting. So you screw in an air fitting and then just pump air through it like filling a tyre?
sounds like 15,000 rpm but its only 2500. nice job on the conversion
Money... buy engine and whatever other options you want... Biggest investment is time.
Incorrect.......detroit 2 stroke diesels have a wet sump and a oil pump.......they also have a roots type blower other wise they wont run....only lawn mowers etc have induction via the crank case
GM was incredibly stupid and dense not to offer a Detroit in their model line like this. Especially with the fact that they owned Detroit Diesel at the time. If I'm not mistaken, I think they did offer these engines in south America or some special places.
Very true, thanks for the reply anyway!
What would a conversion like this cost?
lots of mack trucks had air starters you could try searching them, you should get plenty of links and information from that.......there very similar to pneumatic drills etc only bigger and with a lot more torque to crank over an engine....You can still get them on the new Mack trucks i believe, not sure if any other vehicles have them on it
Awesome conversion!.....is it a pretty hard swap to do?
Detroit Diesel is now owned by Daimler Trucks North America. GM let this unit get away, too!
The EPA rendered these engines no longer viable
awesome...how does it feel on the highway..with such an amount of torque you must be running some tall gears or not??
Sweet and solid!!!!!
If it has spark plugs it's not a real truck. Nice rig you got there!
Odd the oldest best trk driver of 50s brag on ihc 406 pasing a cummins when they 1st put in a semi and no their were not always trucks without plugs but mho 3406 cat rules in ur thot of no plugs
@00chevyz711 The Detroit 12v149 uses the Duramax 6.6 as fuel.
DetroitTwoStroke just like every dodge boy Jack's off because it's a cummins. Lol
DetroitTwoStroke Very Good Oil leaking engines !! Just add oil every 3-4 hours f operation !
If you don’t leave them idling they don’t leak. Start it up, work the PISS out of it, shut it down.
sooo much coolness
thats a nice build
Made in USA !
Very clean!
Well now you have me interested... How long did this take you ? This is pretty sweet.
I think they said it was around 20...but that it could use another gear on the highway which would help.
If you can find tyres with a higher profile you can reduce the RPMs a bit and save some juice that way or changing diff ratios etc.
My uncle Gus used to call Chevys Mexican diesels. He was a Ford guy.
How many mpg does it get?
very nice.
I have a few questions. #1 is where can I buy a decent detroit engine? #2 is how much would it cost? and #3 is what all did you have to do to make it fit and work with the chevrolet transmission?
By the way detroits are GM Chevrolet is GM. Just a little input for future reference. Talk to an engine machine shop then hit the junk yards bring one of the guys with you. If nessisary they can cut whatever you need to fit whatever.
Great !
i love that sound
Power output?
Same way if you have a dead battery in the morning with no battery charger or jumper cables. Get somebody to jump you, or in this case, call somebody with a 12v air compressor.
technicly it would take care of it, but instead DD left the blower on it, just upgraded it. a regular one is setup to just suck in natural (not pressurized air), and the turbocharged engines have a upgraded blower ment for pressurized air. even though people do, you should not run a DD Turbo model without the turbo on, and you should not run a regular one with a turbo or you take a chance of either damaging or starving the engine since the blowers are geared diferent. it does make sence.
Not all.. Many older boat and tractor engines use the crankcase as a pump like gas 2-strokes. Examples are Lanz Bulldog, Bolinder-Munktell and big 2 stroke boat engines. This type of engine has a total loss lubrication system that may be somewhat dangerous. If the crankase is overflowed by oil the engine can rev up uncontrollably as it runs on this oil and moreover anything that burns. When a 10ft+ tall old single cylinder boat engine starts doing that you probably better run. :)
@@tripplefives1402 good explanation! I've always wondered how these hot bulb engines work and now i know.
That looks like a '73 Chevy!
Quantos hp?
When is this meet held? I live in Mooretown and would like to go this year.
What kind of fuel mileage do you get? Does it make enough power to haul a trailer?
@agnostos1000 All two stroke diesels have blowers. They can't run without them for exhaust scavenging.
like your truck nice job automatic or manual trans ?
Kwatwz hp??
i love how the grill sayes 454
:)
TheGarywilliams I couldn't hear it say anything.
Thanks.
Wouldn't a turbo take care of that? I so for instance the Detroit 453t, now that is turbocharged, is it also supercharged?
so how would any other naturally aspirated diesel work if it doesn't have a pressurized intake?
cXcon; Only 2-strokes like the 453-t, 6v-71 and 8v-92 require both scavenger blower and turbo-boost because of the lack of a fully valve-controlled intake stroke. Some 2-strokes have exhaust valves to better control the cylinder air flow. The pistons pass bottom-dead-center and start their compression-phase as pressurized air is still being 'pushed' into the cylinder until the piston passes the intake ports.
There is no intake-stroke per-se, in other words (I think you know this). Whereas a 4-stroke diesel has a regular intake-stroke as the piston moves 'down' creating a low-pressure vacuum condition to suck-in air. Like the now-vintage International 6.9 (420 c.i) and 7.3 L IDI NA engines made thru the 80s and installed in International medium-duty trucks, Ford pickups, vans and schoolbuses. Adequate but nothing to write home about ~ Like most diesels as road powerplants, they really need superchargers and/or turbos to increase their hp, torque and efficiency.
0.40 the weight of the engine sinking the tire into the ground
Qué motor es de cuántos caballo y cilindros es
very cool!
Is there a way to hook up the transfer case to keep the 4WD, or does the presence of a Detroit and its accompanying transmission mean they are all rear wheel drive pickup trucks?
ive seen 4x4 detroits, just need to find the right trans
or a divorce transfercase
60 hp with 1200 ft lb torque
Awesome job, were is the 454 that came with that truck?
The way the owner is giving that Detroit the beans, I'd say the 454 is sitting in a scrap yard locked up solid.
NICE!!
@20revolution12 got the same project as you getting the garage done this summer
do you still have the truck running today
Sorry, not my truck. I saw it at a local diesel conversion meet. It came all the way from NY state.
no....you said not 'all', (referring to detroits) have or need blowers.....well id like to see a detroit run with out the blower....
well, at least all Detroit 2-strokes will need a blower. agree?
@@davidfrank6666 This Comment is 8 years old, dunno what I was referring to bud
are these supercharged?
cXcon7 no they run a turbo
thanks :D I thought it was a 5 cyl because the sound reminds me of our defender 5-cyl turbodiesel :D
Too bad a Detroit 4:51 is so
Rare , diesel engine with no valves that would be great
Engine to put in a truck
@cXcon7 Sounds supercharged
a 2stroke like this, can not run with out a super charger.
Why would you choose a noisy crappy engine like a Detroit instead of a Cummins or a caterpillar?
Because it's cool. Any priveleged teenager with a mullet can put a "cummings" into a truck.
@chevyinlinesix it moves around every year. go to 4btswaps.com for updates.
Gotta take that 454 tag off!
torque monster
What kind of power does this give? Torque?
Wonder if this would be enough engine to hotshot truck with a 1600 loadstar?
A 6V53 would be better.
A 6v71 t. Hot to trot
Depends on what’s powering the Loadstar.
Still more reliable that a honda
@bigchevy80 I know, superchargers do the same thing.
@ChevyToughRebel '75 or '76.
is that a 73 chevy?
No turbo or jakes
Nope.. That would be nice though i bet!
How Much. My first born and my soul are yours in trade for this truck should you choose to accept
no turbo? ):
turbo is only an option, but these 2strokes must use a super charger.
The 6.2 is a Detroit not Isuzu.You are correct rhanshaw,braps a bit confused.
jmac5058 6.5 was.was.was. Detroit,as well. Great engine
Jimmy Chambers all Diesel engines from gas converted Olds 350 cubic inch up to Issusu of 2019 are just garbage that uses ginea pigs to test for gm by buying and using ! They are all horrible for power/fuel consumption and longivity !!
I love how they whine
Sorry Honey I cant hear you over the engine
I'd rather have this over a 6.2L ,6.5L ,or Duramax any day!
Says 454 in the grille...
Yep! The truck originally had a big block 454 under the hood.
So close it went from a 454 to a 453
4-53 is 212 cubic inches though