" A math student is a very docile and passive breed until agitated through overconfidence in one's own level of rigor. That's when they are the most dangerous "
Oh my god. The "Trust me, I answered quickly" just put me in a rage. I have a classmate who always tries to help me/anyone (whether his help is requested or not), and I never trust him because he *always* answers things immediately and confidently, regardless of if he knows or not. This video made me remember that he did engineering in his undergrad. It all makes sense now. The test works.
@@ConfusedPlushiee Haha this was beautiful. To be fair, I think a lot of physicists do something like this to an extent too, just differently than you all do it. Instead of answering any query confidently and specifically (whether or not the answer's correct) like you guys seem to tend to do, a lot of us tend to do the, "oh you have a complex problem in a field I know nothing about? Let me make a bunch of simplifications that change the problem completely so that I can say your problem is super easy to solve, and so I can imply that your field is basically pointless." (Edit: I guess Andrew made that joke about changing assumptions in this, but also excuse me for my shameless lack of source. I'm ashamed of myself. See XKCD 793) But really, I respect you engineers, even if you all infuriate me with your ways sometimes; when it comes down to the important stuff that you've been drilling forever, you guys definitely know your shit 👌.
@@mrahzzz I think part of the reason is that in engineering, you work with what you have. you got the correct tools and knowledge ? great ! but if you don't you still have to make do, a few hammer strikes often do the trick. engineering is all about finding solutions, whether or not they work correctly is optional.
I studied engineering. If I hear any question and try to answer it quickly, no matter how well I know the subject, you can just assume that the opposite is probably true
I know u are joking but for any other passer-by who may think its right, Well fractions are part of whole So 3.1415..../1 is not a fraction. You can call any number less than or equal to 1 /1 as a fraction but not greater than that. Its also not a rational number because pi is not an integer
A physicist, an engineer and a mathematician each enter a room containing a bucket of water, and a garbage can that is burning. The physicist looks at the fire then looks at the bucket of water. Pulls out a sheet of paper and calculates the exact amount of water required to put the fire out, carefully measures it from the bucket and dumps it on the fire with not a drop wasted. The engineer enters the room looks at the fire then looks at the bucket, grabs the bucket and dumps it on the fire and puts it out. The mathematician enters the room, looks at the fire, then looks at the bucket. then looks at the fire again, and looks at the bucket again. He puts his arms in the air and yells “A SOLUTION EXISTS!!” and walks out of the room.
The mathematician proves that if x is a subset of water and y is a subset of fire, and x is the inverse of y, then a solution to the predicament does indeed exist.
The mathematician looks at the fire, looks at the water, at the physicist, and the engineer, and decides to cut the power, since the only way that both of them had put out a fire seems logical to the mathematician is there's an electric fire starter plugged in. In the dark room illuminated by the trash fire, the engineer and the physicist wonder why the mathematician couldn't just play along. The mathematician was no longer invited to any thought experiments.
I'm both a mathematician and a physicist (the requirements for the two degrees at my school were literally both satisfied by the math degree's requirements, so I figured, "why not apply for both" - and both were given ;) ... But my IMMEDIATE thought upon reading this scenario was to turn the garbage can upside down and suffocate the fire, sine I have no interest in determining whether the stuff burning would react adversely to the water (ie, explosion!!!)... I am NOT a chemist... I AM, quite possibly and according to many of those I meet, "abnormal" and "unique"... I consider this high praise indeed :) But this may be because I am a programmer... KIS baby!
I still remember in my engineering degree, there was a course called machine design, and its course material was in inches, for every problem that i solve i would first convert all the data from inches to meters, solve it there and then convert the results back to inches lol
@@alidurrani4645 we had a intro to engineering course where we would just do engineering problems from physics to chemistry basically all over the place but the “hard” part is that each problem would mix the units up so you would have to do like 10 conversion
Inch: 1 inch Foot: 12 inches Yard: 3 feet Mile: 5,280 feet Millimeter: 1/1000 meter Centimeter: 1/100 meter Meter: 1 meter Kilometer: 1000 meters Seriously who came up with Imperial and WHY; Metric makes so much more sense! Edit: don’t even get me started on conversions between the two systems.
How to spot a mathematician: Step 1) say out loud "sin(x)=x" Step 2) see if the subject is furious. If not, then the subject is an engineer or a physicist.
@@Naverb Depends. If you just take it to the 1st order, you're an engineer and go "it's linear!" 2nd order, you're a physicist and go "Behold, harmonics!"
I have a much simpler test: "What is Lagrange equation" Physicist: "Something one might use instead of Newtons laws in classical mechanics". Mathematician: "Are you talking about the first or the second kind?" Engineer: "An equation no one uses in real world problems."
What about Maxwell equation in Electromagnetics ? Mathematician : It fits my taste. Physicist : Brilliant equation by genius scientist. Engineer : We almost failed to get our degree because of this.
we use lagrange equation for finite-elements duh which in case you dont know are used to solve real world problems also maxwell equations are not that hard lul
I studied both Math and Engineering, one thing you said aswell, is a big point: Math students will brag about how little they had to do, while engineers tend to brag about how much they did.
As a Chemistry student (well, I was like 8 years ago), the way you can find us is that we keep popping up unexpectedly and talking about how we're just as good as physics students, honest!
That is so true xD I'm an applied chemistry student and working my ass off to double major in chemistry and physics. even though chem graduates are 100% more likely to get a job and are way more successful. there's just something so classy about physics.
@@iammaxhailme You're right. but I mean if you get your masters in biochem or nano chem medical chem and stuff like that you will get a job. whereas with physics, even if you get a Phd, the best job you can get is being a teacher or a professor and I don't know maybe there's something wrong with me but I don't actually consider those two real jobs Lol😁.
“Math majors [...] are beyond the scope of this video” LOL spoken like a true physicist I can’t recall how many times that a professor I had said something along the lines of “there’s some very complicated math that explains this but we’re just gonna used the derived solution (and then bastardize it with 2-3 approximations)”
Mine always turned around comically asking aloud if there are math majors in the room, and immediately turned back “okay no one, we can switch this sum and integral then”.
How do you know if someone is an engineering student? Don’t worry, they’ll tell you within the first 2 minutes of meeting them. source: am engineering student
Engineer: lets assume pi = e = 3 and g = 10 m/s² and it will do it fine Physics: let's assume a cow is a sphere of radius r and let's apply a Taylor series to see an approximation of this certain quantity Maths: wait you can't do this wtf where's the RIGOR
Just give them a simple problem Engineer : *a reasonable and practical solution* Physicist : the speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers
@@emmanueloluga9770 Before we continue this convo. Can you please tell me what do you think a scientific theory is? & do you think there is a difference between the common parlance of the word theory & its use in scientific language?
@@MrSamMaloney yes, however I just reread your reply and apologize as I may have been quick to throw a jab at it. I now understand what you meant by your reply
@@emmanueloluga9770 All good mate. I was about to say if Special relativity doesn't have practical applications then our GPS is stuffed. And if General relativity isn't reasonable and practical then we can say goodbye to using the slingshot effect to conserve fuel and gravitational lensing for astronomy.
And if you want to know if someone is a philosophy major just ask them a question and see if they don’t respond with a long rephrasing of said question.
@@eklhaft4531 A cheeseburger is not simply food, it represents american culture and the degeneration of health, culture and habits The word "Fries" fails to describe their true nature: they reflect the public's growing skepticism with presented ideas. "Can I" can both express a permission (something tangible in modern societies through increased control, leading to people seeking permission and approval for virtually all their actions) and an ability, as, indeed, you might not afford the meal, symbolising economic hardship and inequality Idk why I'm doing this
I love this as I am a Mathematics major, and my two close friends are physics and engineering. We all do feel the need to let everyone know how hard our material is.
I've been a Math major and an Engineering (AS-EE/CE and BS-CS) major. I probably should have been a Physics major (but you need a PhD for a career). None of the three are the same. And it is the mind-set brought to the problem that makes the difference. The post is too on target. I'm not sure what it says about me that I can deal in all three mind-sets (and more). [I'm scatter-brained? But I'm sure you'd like me around for my take on your tricky problem. I cut to the marrow.] I'm most solidly a Comp-Sci guy. But Comp-Sci of the mind-set of the 70s and 80s... not what Comp-Sci is these days. It's changed so much over just the last 25 years (at least at undergrad level) that... ... well... ...
@@its1110 No one says the three are the same. That's why they have different names I bet. Also, work on your humble brag technique. Math majors are supposed to be better than that. Stop acting brand new.
@@TurdFurgeson571 The FlerrFerrs/laymen think it's the same. (That being my point.) I'm many years past the Math-major phase. The humble passed with that. :)
@@someweeb3650 It all compiles. Not only do they have to prove they're tough engineers, they gotta then talk about marines made them into Spartans and other stuff. Or force the vegan shit on you. It's a lot of annoyance
Engineering students: pi=3, works for me Physics students: just stop and use better approximations, pi=22/7 Maths students: one does not approximate unless you can get arbitrarily close to the correct value Edit: Music student (composition) with an interest in math decides that this joke is completely inoffensive and can't possibly be upsetting, decides to post it and later realises the folly of her ways
I worked in a research and development outfit for 27 years. I did applied optics and I was a pitch and grit guy. I came out of industry to run an optics lab. I found the engineers and physicists around me to have very different demeanors. Engineers seemed calm and rather bland. Physicists on the other hand tended to be more volatile and restive. Aside from personality differences that may have favored their choice of education, I think there was a basic difference in the work pressure - physicists came up with the new thing, the engineers made it work. Without the new thing there was no funding.
Ask a mathematician and an engineer this question: A man and a woman stand facing each other a given distance apart. They both step towards each other one-half the distance to the mid-point between them. They repeat this ad infinitum. Will they ever meet? The mathematician will immediately bray, "No, they will never meet!" The engineer will consider the problem, then say, "Well, they will get close enough for all practical purposes."
hmm....................... define "meet", as far as I know this is not a defined variable, or should I say it is not a defined condition? Anyway there is no way to understand what "meet" means without actually giving a rigorous definition, just think of how people define a limit, like they say "limit as x approaches 2 of f(x) is equal to the value of f(x) as x gets infinitely close to 2 ", like, what is this? how would anyone ever understand what this means? so again, give a definition for "meet" and we will talk later. Also, I am deeply sorry, really.
@@kiwiace4613 I can imagine you in an English literature class. "Professor, when Kipling writes, 'Oh East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,' it is impossible for us to know what he means because he does not define the term 'meet'." Would the professor compliment you for your insight, or would the reply be less flattering?
Engineering student will make lots of money. Physics student do leftover engineering jobs for lot less money. Math majors complain about how little teachers get paid.
I earn fairly well. And tbh at first i studied maths to become a teacher then i changed to normal maths because I hated "didactics" courses and how far they are from reality. And I am earning fairly well.
@@jayasri6764 In Fact that is my current job description now. ;-) Although I dont develop too much software. Modelling, Statistics, leading positions... Or lets say someone responsible for hiring people with scientific background: "I like math majors, since they are usually not too specialized in anything, I can place them at any topic involving stem and usually after 3 months they got familar enough to fill in that role"
For the longest time I wondered what physics students went through, why did people think it was so tough, and then I had calc-based mechanics. It wasn't that the material was not interesting, it was that this was the first class where I really had to size up my thinking strategy. I had to ingest the concept first, then apply the math. I was so used to just manipulating equations for the purpose of my calculus professor telling me to, that I kinda forgot that it had a much greater purpose; that it was all just some idea roaming in the back of newton's mind and invented for the sole purpose of doing physics. Anyway, so now I think I get it. I magically did well in the class by the skin of my teeth, I managed an A. But hats off to physics majors, your major is much harder. - Comp Sci
Engineers: The businessmen of STEM. When they don't understand, they say: "Oh yeah, I learned about that in my [....] course," and then they change the subject. Physicists: crippling self-doubt, but open and moderately accepting of that fact. When they don't understand, they laugh nervously and say: "I'm definitely going to fail the exam." Mathematician: Crippling self-doubt and terrified to let anyone know. When they don't understand, they say nothing. Instead, they stare intensely off into space with a firm scowl, or feverishly write on the back of a napkin.
Nah the napkin writing is for the physicists. The mathematicians don't need to write, they just stare blankly at space because what they are thinking of is so abstract, there isn't even a written form.
Qn: why is the cat wet? engineering major: it fell into water, which is wet. Physic major: well... assuming certain conditions were met, the cat may or may not have interacted with a substance of the 'wet' property... (This goes on for a while) Math major:... Water is wet, cat is wet, therefore water = k(cat), but to find the probably that the cat is wet, take P(cat wet I cat alive), then use some mathematics function, then we derived what is a wet cat... What is the question again?
And besides water, may not other things be wet? Let us consider the nature of wetness. Can we, in fact, ever really know what it means to be wet. Meta-physics Major.
"I have a lot of work to do..." Cue the med student stampede in lab coats they weren't supposed to wear out of the damn lab, rushing to tell you how much work they have, and how you have no idea how easy you have it. They are a random and volatile environmental variable.
As someone who studied engineering for 2 years then switched to physics.. this is unbelievably true. To this day, i still argue with my friends regarding the quantity of work as opposed to the difficulty, and when i was in engineering the only thing i used to complain about is difficulty hahaha. So glad to have found this channel... binge watching everything now
test 1 is not quite right - engineers are scared of doing math on non-integers and would round those specific values to the nearest multiple of 5. Source: am an engineering student
Bc "The path to employment is in minimizing mistakes" and some times the easiest way to do that is just increase your acceptable error before hand lmfao
@@xxportalxx. exactly, by increasing the acceptable error, you decrease the risk factor of human error occurring due to stress/anxiety caused by decimals
As a former engineering math professor this had me rolling. " It does not matter who your daddy is, if your boat don't float." The mathy can tell you in exhausting detail while you are dead and the physicist can tell you, you are both dead and alive but just don't know until somebody observes you. But the farmer, the physicist, the engineer and the mathy designing a chicken coup is the best joke at chirping all three disciplines.
That is a false positive for engineers, variables are better than numbers any time of the day. As an engineer student we get too much work and difficult to the point one hw takes 6+ hours
As a Physics student, it's funny to notice that I'd react to those statements/questions just like you pointed it out. I'm glad I found this youtube channel.
Math major: the area “enclosed” by a circle you mean. The relationship of the area enclosed by any circle is directly proportional to the radius squared. Where as the circumference is directly proportional to the diameter. This proportionality constant is known as pi... and it’s what’s for dessert.
I started off at Colorado State U as a math major. After 3 semesters I began to realize that, while I love math, the mathematicians I knew weren't making that much money. So I switched to physics. This time it only took 2 semesters that physicists are not much better off than math majors. So I switched to engineering, since it uses both disciplines and is a lot more fun. I have 21 patents, mostly in opto-mechanics and am so very happy I picked the path I did.
Your first "test" finally explained why in physics (I'm an IT student at a Technical University) our professor always gave us problems with variables only, no numbers whatsoever
I'm in trouble. I got degrees in physics, engineering and math. Now I'm a pastor. I better check my assumptions and see where I deviated from the true course of rectitude.
@@calypsohowlter1274 All I ever wanted to be growing up was a naval officer (but I never grew up!). A diagnosis of epilepsy ruined that while in college and I had no idea what I wanted to do. I became an academic bum going from school to school taking whatever looked interesting. After a long time, the family asked if I was ever going to graduate. I checked with the registrar and found that I had all the credits for a math degree and lacked only a technical writing class for 5 others. I got the math degree and tried the family business, hated it and went back to school for an engineering degree. That required the writing class and I had so many extra credits that one week in 1994 I graduated from 2 schools with 7 different BA and BS degrees. I then worked as an engineer before realizing that I had been running from my "true calling" for a very long time. Besides, I thought it was time that I made good on all those prayers I made during my number theory class.
Right now I'm taking the highest classes I can in math, physics and chemistry, and I plan to study engineering... I'm not gonna like what's coming for me...
@@7Davidnm I liked the math physics and engineering but didn't care much for chemistry. To me, it felt like trying to memorize a cook book. Since I grew up in the restaurant business, that was anathema to me!
The test to destinguish between a physics and a math major, is to ask them how to show you how to prove the chain rule. If they multiply and devide by dx, then they are Physics students. If they use comlicated terms like epsilon, delta and limit, then they are math major. If you are extremely courageous, then you can ask them if it's ok to devide and multiply by dx. The math major will then have a major rage outburst, powerful enough to define 0/0.
*Gets the value of 3.074* You: I can just round to 3.1 Responses: Engineer: Nah, 3 is good enough Physicist: Yea, I guess that works Mathematician *visibly distraught but too docile to say anything*
chemist: well it depends. Is that how many sig figs you had in the problem? are you solving molarity? There are so many unknown variables, I need to know why you are doing the math so I can know if it is safe to round because you might be off by 8.7 10^-7 and as your professor I may just feel like knocking you for rounding even though the problem never suggested you did or didn't need to round and there were no known rules in the text book to reflect such. and by the way don't even try rounding or doing sig figs in the lab cuz you ALWAYS do two decimal places even if they are zeros bc I feel like they are significant even though it goes against all the rules of sig figs and rounding.
Academically, I'm a physicist and an engineer. I always introduce myself as a physicist because that's how I think. This video reinforced that for me. But having watched your "physics student taking a math course" video, I see I'm also a mathematician. So it turns out I'm just an applied category theorist :) (which I actually have become in the last few years).
Well, if I'm not wrong computer science is science: applied mathematics to theoretical assumptions, which can also been applied into software development too. That makes you much more friendly to the eyes of physicist/mathematicians! (Compared to engineers haha)
@Damon Martin Yes. Its not only about "automation" or "big data" as general population thinks, but more about solving non-analytical problems, simulating processes in order to compare different outcomes or designing ML systems and neural networks to several purposes. :)
I am Hannah Montana Me “I am a computer desk Family/friend “That’s cool. I am jealous of the people who work/take calls at IT desks” Me double facepalm
I’m not actually an engineer or mathematician (yet). Had 2 years of electrical engineering (out of 4 years) and transferred to math major afterwards. Back then I was really making up some seemingly logical and quick answers to silly questions, like why the sky is blue etc. As of right now, I’m feeling really uncomfortable when I don’t have accurate solution that was made from scratch without any assumptions if possible. Even if I’m using proved theorem or thesis I’m still freaking out if I don’t have proof in my mind. Still have excitement for hard problems and don’t mind crazy numbers, though. Video is absolutely accurate.
@@elgatto3133 You mean the huge sums in damages every year, caused by faulty imperial to metric conversions? I think you already have that money, you could just use it for something better then paying damages.
Meanwhile the Computer science students sit in the corner inhaling compressed air. For real though they'll go "ugh your making me solve an equation" for the first. And respond like an engineering student for the second, and like a math for the third
In regard to test 1, I'm an engineering student, and I seriously hate doing algebra and such with numbers, I'm always waiting with the numbers to the last step, but my professor on the other hand loves numbers.
As a computer engineer, we are another breed lol It’s a combination of an engineer, a physicist, a mathematician, and a philosopher all at once. We make tons of assumptions but we hate assumptions. We work with a lot of number and proof, but we hate those too. We overcomplicate physics problems but not as much as a physicist, but also oversimplify them but not as much as an engineer. We do a lot of problem solving like an engineer but often are just trying to solve or build an abstract system. We think on a different spectrum of math and thoughts like mathematicians and philosopher do, but we made up our own spectrum by plagiarizing mathematicians and philosophers works. We can’t English like engineers, but we can do a bit better at writing but not as good as philosophers. And we over explain things like a philosopher, while having no clue what I just said. We also like to drink a lot of coffee, never sleep. I am always eating ramen cups. We have a lot of brain damage but we pretend we are ok. Yesterday I went for a walk at the park. I am eating Oreos right now…. Wait, what was I talking about? 🤔
I love how his description of an engineer is specifically a mech lol, ce's look more or less like compsci majors, ee's tend to look more presentable and occasionally closer to met's, and met's look more like they're dressed to go down on a diesel lol
(Engineering Major) I actually responded really quickly to a questions I was 100% confident about because I didn't want to hear "but you're an engineering major you should know this" Never felt so attacked before in my entire life by a vide
In CS at least, the process is needlessly difficult. The material should be easy, but the way that it's taught makes it take about 3x the work of what it should be. I'm a Math/CS major, and I learn complicated math easily, but f*ck me if I can troubleshoot a simple off-by-one error. I never know what's going on in CS, and the professors tend to have a sink-or-swim attitude rather than the more nurturing "let's walk through this together" attitude that math imploys. I love CS. From the bottom of my heart, there is nothing better than creating something and seeing it work. It's magic. That's why I put up with all the bullshit from learning it. It isn't as hard as the professors will make it.
@@aldenheterodyne2833 this is because programming should be developed individually, doesn't work the same from person to person, and by helping you out they would only be contaminating your way of thinking. Anyway, you should be able to learn cs quite easily by just being organized 😉
On rule number one: I'm (almost) a master graduate in electronics engineering and I (and my peers usually) like to have the numbers, but hate to have non-round numbers, because we want to be able to do the calculations on the go and just get to the prototyping.
Just ask them to define a vector Engineering student: magnitude and direction… gives arrow Physics student: explains abstract vector spaces and inner products in Dirac notation Math student: does the same but notates vectors as kanji characters
king_ Tesseract yeah well the fact that I come from a Family where there are more lawyers than not lawyers makes your point pretty valid. But what really kicked of my love for the legal profession was the series Suits
@@MichaelSmith-bh7oh I can't read a bunch documents that are technically English, but not really. I'm in the CS field so I understand technical documents. But law? Only lawyers think a document that's sole purpose is to obfuscate the very information it was supposed convey, is a good document.
i watch all of your videos religiously like i’m even a STEM major; i’m majoring in accounting. i don’t understand any of what you’re saying, but it’s still fascinating for some reason. I’ve also heard/spotted the anger due to some of the things you’ve mentioned in my best friend, as she’s a biomedical engineer major 😂
Student of any major: oh god next year will be so painful, I'll have to do 10 exams in the year and I have 1-2 exams that I didn't pass last year. Unpolite engineering: Oh well this year I have 12 exams of which 3 of them require group projects and I have 4 exams that have carried over to this year, not because they are hard but because the pass rate is shit, like 15/100. Polite engineering student: come to me my child, I'll teach you how to sustain the pain
@@tristantipton3641 Picks from my last exam: Adiabatic approximation, Harmonic approximation, nearly free electron approximation, Thomas-Fermi approximation .... Yeah (Solid state physics)
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First of all, I'm an engineering student. Secondly, I'm offended with the comments saying that we always tell people we are engineering students.
LOL This comment is so underrated
i am an engineering student and you are guilty as charged
You yourself said it.
I’m an engineering student and I am also offended.
Omg right, as an engineering student, I’m so offended
It seems the symptoms of math majors were left as an exercise to the audience
lololololol
The proof is rather trivial
This is GOLD 😂
Mathematics major: maths is the proper term
We've found the math student (?
"Inches per millisecond"
Dog my nose is bleeding
1 in/ms is about 1.527x10^5 furlongs/fortnight. Damn thats Fast!
Long life the FFF-System! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system
i mean 2 in/ms is only 57 mph
"slugs per bushel"
🤣
sounds like all i got in the bed
" A math student is a very docile and passive breed until agitated through overconfidence in one's own level of rigor. That's when they are the most dangerous "
Nailed it.
Nailed it for sure
as an engineering student, that is probably a mathmatician at heart, I agree completely.
That statement was so true it made me mad 😂
I loved that line too
Meanwhile, an IT student, when asked a question about an issue, "Have you turned it off and back on again?"
The exact phrase is: "Have you tried turning it of and on again?"
Possibly with an Irish accent.
IT CROWD!
works every time though :D
that's n IT pro not a student, they'll first ask you whether the input is sorted or not.
@@inigo8740
Then: "Is it plugged in the wall"
If they say yes to both questions then you stop the playback and pick up the phone.
Oh my god. The "Trust me, I answered quickly" just put me in a rage. I have a classmate who always tries to help me/anyone (whether his help is requested or not), and I never trust him because he *always* answers things immediately and confidently, regardless of if he knows or not. This video made me remember that he did engineering in his undergrad. It all makes sense now. The test works.
As an engineering student i can confirm: I answer way too many questions without knowing anything about the subject. Did i mention i do engineering?
@@ConfusedPlushiee Haha this was beautiful. To be fair, I think a lot of physicists do something like this to an extent too, just differently than you all do it. Instead of answering any query confidently and specifically (whether or not the answer's correct) like you guys seem to tend to do, a lot of us tend to do the, "oh you have a complex problem in a field I know nothing about? Let me make a bunch of simplifications that change the problem completely so that I can say your problem is super easy to solve, and so I can imply that your field is basically pointless."
(Edit: I guess Andrew made that joke about changing assumptions in this, but also excuse me for my shameless lack of source. I'm ashamed of myself. See XKCD 793)
But really, I respect you engineers, even if you all infuriate me with your ways sometimes; when it comes down to the important stuff that you've been drilling forever, you guys definitely know your shit 👌.
@@mrahzzz I think part of the reason is that in engineering, you work with what you have. you got the correct tools and knowledge ? great ! but if you don't you still have to make do, a few hammer strikes often do the trick.
engineering is all about finding solutions, whether or not they work correctly is optional.
I studied engineering. If I hear any question and try to answer it quickly, no matter how well I know the subject, you can just assume that the opposite is probably true
Mathematician: pi can not be expressed as a fraction
Physicists: π/1
Engineer: 3/1
I know u are joking but for any other passer-by who may think its right,
Well fractions are part of whole So 3.1415..../1 is not a fraction.
You can call any number less than or equal to 1 /1 as a fraction but not greater than that. Its also not a rational number because pi is not an integer
@@DD-rl7xo found the mathematician
@Sky Dome not pi, π=3.141592....., 22/7=3.142857......
@@FAB1150 missing the point. As an engineer THAT'S WAYYY BETTER THAN 3/1
pi is 22/7
A physicist, an engineer and a mathematician each enter a room containing a bucket of water, and a garbage can that is burning.
The physicist looks at the fire then looks at the bucket of water. Pulls out a sheet of paper and calculates the exact amount of water required to put the fire out, carefully measures it from the bucket and dumps it on the fire with not a drop wasted.
The engineer enters the room looks at the fire then looks at the bucket, grabs the bucket and dumps it on the fire and puts it out.
The mathematician enters the room, looks at the fire, then looks at the bucket. then looks at the fire again, and looks at the bucket again. He puts his arms in the air and yells “A SOLUTION EXISTS!!” and walks out of the room.
The mathematician proves that if x is a subset of water and y is a subset of fire, and x is the inverse of y, then a solution to the predicament does indeed exist.
That was funny
The mathematician looks at the fire, looks at the water, at the physicist, and the engineer, and decides to cut the power, since the only way that both of them had put out a fire seems logical to the mathematician is there's an electric fire starter plugged in.
In the dark room illuminated by the trash fire, the engineer and the physicist wonder why the mathematician couldn't just play along.
The mathematician was no longer invited to any thought experiments.
@@inigo8740 lol brilliant
I'm both a mathematician and a physicist (the requirements for the two degrees at my school were literally both satisfied by the math degree's requirements, so I figured, "why not apply for both" - and both were given ;) ... But my IMMEDIATE thought upon reading this scenario was to turn the garbage can upside down and suffocate the fire, sine I have no interest in determining whether the stuff burning would react adversely to the water (ie, explosion!!!)... I am NOT a chemist... I AM, quite possibly and according to many of those I meet, "abnormal" and "unique"... I consider this high praise indeed :) But this may be because I am a programmer... KIS baby!
As an engineering student, I will get heavily annoyed if you confront me with inches.
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slugs
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slug_(unit)
In some cases, an inch can makes a big difference.
I still remember in my engineering degree, there was a course called machine design, and its course material was in inches,
for every problem that i solve i would first convert all the data from inches to meters, solve it there and then convert the results back to inches lol
@@alidurrani4645 we had a intro to engineering course where we would just do engineering problems from physics to chemistry basically all over the place but the “hard” part is that each problem would mix the units up so you would have to do like 10 conversion
Inch: 1 inch
Foot: 12 inches
Yard: 3 feet
Mile: 5,280 feet
Millimeter: 1/1000 meter
Centimeter: 1/100 meter
Meter: 1 meter
Kilometer: 1000 meters
Seriously who came up with Imperial and WHY; Metric makes so much more sense!
Edit: don’t even get me started on conversions between the two systems.
How to spot a mathematician:
Step 1) say out loud "sin(x)=x"
Step 2) see if the subject is furious. If not, then the subject is an engineer or a physicist.
That only applies to small people.
Sin(x) is not always = x
@@thefuckdidyousaytomelittle7580 And that's how you can tell if someone is a math student.
@@thefuckdidyousaytomelittle7580 we found the mathematician!!
It depends what problem we’re working with. If it concerns arbitrarily small oscillations then I am perfectly fine with this assumption
Bonus: Ask them to write down Euler's identity, If you see a j, you have an electrical/computer engineer on your hands.
Unless it's your summing variable.
@@frederikjrgensen508if you ask them to write Euler's formula and they give a sum using sigma notation you should run
@@Naverb
Depends. If you just take it to the 1st order, you're an engineer and go "it's linear!"
2nd order, you're a physicist and go "Behold, harmonics!"
If you do acoustical physics j is also super common. But acoustical physics has so many ties with engineering that may be an unfair comparison.
Haha so true!
I have a much simpler test:
"What is Lagrange equation"
Physicist: "Something one might use instead of Newtons laws in classical mechanics".
Mathematician: "Are you talking about the first or the second kind?"
Engineer: "An equation no one uses in real world problems."
What about Maxwell equation in Electromagnetics ?
Mathematician : It fits my taste.
Physicist : Brilliant equation by genius scientist.
Engineer : We almost failed to get our degree because of this.
that is so inaccurate
@123 321 we use lagrange for robotics modelling
we use lagrange equation for finite-elements duh
which in case you dont know are used to solve real world problems
also maxwell equations are not that hard lul
As an engineer, I can’t express just how inaccurate this is.
Ask them for an equation.
The engineering student will just Google it
The physics student will have t memorized or try to derive it
@@mohammadalinabeel8572 You're right, that's far too easy for a physics major.
What kind of engineer do you have on the US? Looks like a joke compared with engineers on this side of the Atlantic...
I'm a physics student, and we all hate memorization
HumA kinda weird that a lot of people on that side of the Atlantic go to college over here
That means nothing about the level.
As an engineering student, the imperial units triggers me. (Long live the International System!)
TGM or Primel. I prefer TGM, but to each their own.The metric system is mired in decimal thinking.
As a physics major, I have to say I agree. SI is so much easier to work with!
@@supermassiveblackhole8182 No, cgs. Gauß for the win!
Can I calculate in kilo-inch? If yes, I don't mind the impereal system.
Long live the kip and the slug.
How to tell if someone's a physics student: They say "beyond the scope of...." in average conversation
Or comp sci haha
@@whiteraven2149 THE VARIABLE IS LOCALLY DEFINED
My physics classmates use "measurement error" in an average conversation
I studied both Math and Engineering, one thing you said aswell, is a big point:
Math students will brag about how little they had to do, while engineers tend to brag about how much they did.
Bingo
what would you say ? 😅
that's trivially true.
Instructions unclear, I proved the Riemann hypothesis.
Enjoy your million
Found the mathematician
Pass go, collect your million and pay someone to find out if Bob is a physicist or engineer
But the proof is too large to fit in the margins of this youtube comment
Instructions unclear, I proved that you can't prove the Riemann hypothesis... though you can't disprove it either, so I proved it!
As a Chemistry student (well, I was like 8 years ago), the way you can find us is that we keep popping up unexpectedly and talking about how we're just as good as physics students, honest!
agree, except that we are even better
@@German_K5 lol ik you joking
That is so true xD I'm an applied chemistry student and working my ass off to double major in chemistry and physics. even though chem graduates are 100% more likely to get a job and are way more successful. there's just something so classy about physics.
@@rayanzelms9453 oh god no, a BS in chem is absolutely awful for jobs. Change to chemical enginineering or computer science before it's too late
@@iammaxhailme You're right. but I mean if you get your masters in biochem or nano chem medical chem and stuff like that you will get a job. whereas with physics, even if you get a Phd, the best job you can get is being a teacher or a professor and I don't know maybe there's something wrong with me but I don't actually consider those two real jobs Lol😁.
As an engineering student... I feel attacked by how accurate this is...
RIGHT?! I mean it's jokes but in every joke...
Exactly!
as a physicist, i agree that the video is spot on!
well now I am sure many strangers can easily identify who is giving JEE or not
After graduation, the test is easier. Does he have money? Yes = engineer.
Is this true or not? I've got 2 years left and all hope is almost lost. From what I hear I'll have to slave for 60 hours every week for shit pay
theb1rd There are plenty of physics and math majors making bank in finance jobs
Let’s be honest, did you really pursue higher level physics or math just to work in finance...
@@collinreyes2983 Of course not, but they can be lucrative degrees
@@collinreyes2983 some people actually do. I considered it 😁
Kid from Rome: 'Mom, can we have pi?
Mom: 'We have pi at home.'
Pi at home: 22/7
FTFY 3
Ramanujan: so I had this tasty sandwich and then √√(9*9+19*19/22)
@@striga314 we got a mathematician here.
Infinity right? Not bad 😎
The fact that that only gives you two decimals makes me angry.
Hey now. As an engineering I prefer variables. Then I let the computer solve the equations.
You sure you're not a physics student? If they didn't say I can't you my computer or an integral table then I definitely can.
BLASPHEMY! Learn to use numerical methods you traitor.
Computers built by engineers I might add. ;)
As a physics student that sounds like something a physics student would do probably with Matlab
@@yuranideuht1261 Or engineers built by computers?
“Math majors [...] are beyond the scope of this video” LOL spoken like a true physicist
I can’t recall how many times that a professor I had said something along the lines of “there’s some very complicated math that explains this but we’re just gonna used the derived solution (and then bastardize it with 2-3 approximations)”
Mine always turned around comically asking aloud if there are math majors in the room, and immediately turned back “okay no one, we can switch this sum and integral then”.
Ádám Szilvási this made me crack up, I’ve seen the same thing with all sorts of profs especially with some bastardized math in chem lol
@@lynx655 LMAOOOO
"in/ms" might be the only case where torture can successfully draw information from the subject
yea, tho tbf, in/ft^2 will also trigger me.
Sin (x) = x
Mathematician: x = 0
Physicist: x ≈ 0
Engineer: yes
normal person: what sign? i dont see any signs
@@_Zuy not if n is an element of the natural numbers between 0 and 1 inclusive
@Nathaniel Rosenstein 45npi too in that case xD
@@_Zuy oops, my bad. Should've just used bracket notation: [0,1) and an element of the natural numbers. So basically just 0
Physicist: x~0
How do you know if someone is an engineering student?
Don’t worry, they’ll tell you within the first 2 minutes of meeting them.
source: am engineering student
OMG it's true. I'm a chemical engineer student lol
That's absolutely false!
P.s. do you know that I am an electrical engineering student?
Benjamin Cooper
So engineering students only last 2 minutes?!
Noted.
Exactly me on gen-ed courses 🤣
The first question I ask when I meet someone is what they’re studying 😂
I guess Engineering students are the hivemind.
Engineer: lets assume pi = e = 3 and g = 10 m/s² and it will do it fine
Physics: let's assume a cow is a sphere of radius r and let's apply a Taylor series to see an approximation of this certain quantity
Maths: wait you can't do this wtf where's the RIGOR
my favorite way to make math and physics majors hurt is to say that pi^2=g
@@nottherealpaulsmith epic
@@nottherealpaulsmith Why would you say that?
@@potatofuryy because i hate pure math majors and i want them to suffer
@@nottherealpaulsmith well pi^2 is 9.8 so💀
Just give them a simple problem
Engineer : *a reasonable and practical solution*
Physicist : the speed of light in a vacuum is the same for all observers
But special relativity is reasonable and practical
@@MrSamMaloney While I am a student of SR, Please lets not be complacent and compare a theory to a practical phenom
@@emmanueloluga9770 Before we continue this convo. Can you please tell me what do you think a scientific theory is? & do you think there is a difference between the common parlance of the word theory & its use in scientific language?
@@MrSamMaloney yes, however I just reread your reply and apologize as I may have been quick to throw a jab at it. I now understand what you meant by your reply
@@emmanueloluga9770 All good mate. I was about to say if Special relativity doesn't have practical applications then our GPS is stuffed. And if General relativity isn't reasonable and practical then we can say goodbye to using the slingshot effect to conserve fuel and gravitational lensing for astronomy.
And if you want to know if someone is a philosophy major just ask them a question and see if they don’t respond with a long rephrasing of said question.
The question may be: "Can I have cheesburger and big fries?"
@@eklhaft4531
Define "big" fries
@@eklhaft4531 A cheeseburger is not simply food, it represents american culture and the degeneration of health, culture and habits
The word "Fries" fails to describe their true nature: they reflect the public's growing skepticism with presented ideas.
"Can I" can both express a permission (something tangible in modern societies through increased control, leading to people seeking permission and approval for virtually all their actions) and an ability, as, indeed, you might not afford the meal, symbolising economic hardship and inequality
Idk why I'm doing this
@@marcnassif2822
You did it because it made me laugh! :)
theyre trying to emulate socrates
I love this as I am a Mathematics major, and my two close friends are physics and engineering. We all do feel the need to let everyone know how hard our material is.
Accurate video! Us Electrical engineers get pretty pissed when a non-stem student complains about their work 😂😂
Ryan BIG MOOD
I've been a Math major and an Engineering (AS-EE/CE and BS-CS) major. I probably should have been a Physics major (but you need a PhD for a career).
None of the three are the same. And it is the mind-set brought to the problem that makes the difference. The post is too on target.
I'm not sure what it says about me that I can deal in all three mind-sets (and more). [I'm scatter-brained? But I'm sure you'd like me around for my take on your tricky problem. I cut to the marrow.]
I'm most solidly a Comp-Sci guy. But Comp-Sci of the mind-set of the 70s and 80s... not what Comp-Sci is these days. It's changed so much over just the last 25 years (at least at undergrad level) that... ... well... ...
@@its1110 No one says the three are the same. That's why they have different names I bet. Also, work on your humble brag technique. Math majors are supposed to be better than that. Stop acting brand new.
@@TurdFurgeson571
The FlerrFerrs/laymen think it's the same. (That being my point.)
I'm many years past the Math-major phase. The humble passed with that. :)
Y'all have it rough
No one:
Engineer: THATS NOTHING COMPAREE TO WHAT I HAVE TO DO, IM AN ENGINEEEEEEEEER!!!!!!
Engineers who are either vegan or marines are the worst. Trust me.
As an engineer, I can confirm this lol
Engineers who were machinists before they became engineers are the best engineers. Machinists, because engineers need heroes too.
@@rye-bread5236 I think that's less of them being an engineer
@@someweeb3650 It all compiles. Not only do they have to prove they're tough engineers, they gotta then talk about marines made them into Spartans and other stuff. Or force the vegan shit on you. It's a lot of annoyance
As an engineering student, you’ve made me question my career choices. I’m definitely not excited to use numbers to solve any problem
Well, I'm excited whenever I don't have to use actual numbers. But I'm also a mathematician, so...
Hey, how has your academic journey been going so far? XD
Me: "Are you an English major?
Them: "No, I'm a, [insert major here]."
Problem solved
Prove it.
Elius García rigorously
@@bndlsswntn1158 The idea is, no non-English major wants to be seen as an English major (I guess).
21st Century Schizoid Man are we assuming or is that a theorem?¿ ΓOΓ
Ah, you are an engineer...
Engineering students: pi=3, works for me
Physics students: just stop and use better approximations, pi=22/7
Maths students: one does not approximate unless you can get arbitrarily close to the correct value
Edit: Music student (composition) with an interest in math decides that this joke is completely inoffensive and can't possibly be upsetting, decides to post it and later realises the folly of her ways
Intellectuals: π=4
TAYLOR SERIES HEUUUUU
how bout pi^2 =10?
π=3.14 gives an error lower than 1% (or just use the π of the calculator)
"Pi=3 works for me" -> No student who needs any math ever
I worked in a research and development outfit for 27 years. I did applied optics and I was a pitch and grit guy. I came out of industry to run an optics lab. I found the engineers and physicists around me to have very different demeanors. Engineers seemed calm and rather bland. Physicists on the other hand tended to be more volatile and restive. Aside from personality differences that may have favored their choice of education, I think there was a basic difference in the work pressure - physicists came up with the new thing, the engineers made it work. Without the new thing there was no funding.
I want to be you.
“Math majors are a different breed and are outside of the scope of this video” ... too triggering
I thought it was a compliment.
I'm a medical student.
Why am I watching this
Because you know you really want to drop the knee hammer
Props to you. I'm in aerospace engineering and even I know you medical majors have it worse. Keep up the hard work my dude!
Hell, I'm an English major. About as far from STEM as you can get. XD
I'm pursuing dentistry. Calculus here consists of hardened plaque rather than derivatives and integrals.
I sell weed in my free time
Ask a mathematician and an engineer this question: A man and a woman stand facing each other a given distance apart. They both step towards each other one-half the distance to the mid-point between them. They repeat this ad infinitum. Will they ever meet?
The mathematician will immediately bray, "No, they will never meet!" The engineer will consider the problem, then say, "Well, they will get close enough for all practical purposes."
This is zeno’s paradox from 450 BC
@@davidkeck1892 not really,as every step takes time(almost the same time)
hmm....................... define "meet", as far as I know this is not a defined variable, or should I say it is not a defined condition? Anyway there is no way to understand what "meet" means without actually giving a rigorous definition, just think of how people define a limit, like they say "limit as x approaches 2 of f(x) is equal to the value of f(x) as x gets infinitely close to 2 ", like, what is this? how would anyone ever understand what this means? so again, give a definition for "meet" and we will talk later. Also, I am deeply sorry, really.
@@kiwiace4613 I can imagine you in an English literature class. "Professor, when Kipling writes, 'Oh East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,' it is impossible for us to know what he means because he does not define the term 'meet'." Would the professor compliment you for your insight, or would the reply be less flattering?
No, the mathematician would say yes, because the notion of infinite time is perfectly fine to them.
All this time I thought I was an engineering student. Turns out I’m actually a Physics major.
Welcome to the dark side.
Engineering student will make lots of money. Physics student do leftover engineering jobs for lot less money. Math majors complain about how little teachers get paid.
Oof
Unless they discover banks
I earn fairly well.
And tbh at first i studied maths to become a teacher then i changed to normal maths because I hated "didactics" courses and how far they are from reality.
And I am earning fairly well.
Or math majors will becomes software engineers .
@@jayasri6764 In Fact that is my current job description now. ;-)
Although I dont develop too much software.
Modelling, Statistics, leading positions...
Or lets say someone responsible for hiring people with scientific background:
"I like math majors, since they are usually not too specialized in anything, I can place them at any topic involving stem and usually after 3 months they got familar enough to fill in that role"
For the longest time I wondered what physics students went through, why did people think it was so tough, and then I had calc-based mechanics. It wasn't that the material was not interesting, it was that this was the first class where I really had to size up my thinking strategy. I had to ingest the concept first, then apply the math. I was so used to just manipulating equations for the purpose of my calculus professor telling me to, that I kinda forgot that it had a much greater purpose; that it was all just some idea roaming in the back of newton's mind and invented for the sole purpose of doing physics. Anyway, so now I think I get it. I magically did well in the class by the skin of my teeth, I managed an A. But hats off to physics majors, your major is much harder.
- Comp Sci
Me (an engineering student) watching this to procrastinate: 😂
ow i feel that one
Exactly what I'm dong now
Engineers: The businessmen of STEM. When they don't understand, they say: "Oh yeah, I learned about that in my [....] course," and then they change the subject.
Physicists: crippling self-doubt, but open and moderately accepting of that fact. When they don't understand, they laugh nervously and say: "I'm definitely going to fail the exam."
Mathematician: Crippling self-doubt and terrified to let anyone know. When they don't understand, they say nothing. Instead, they stare intensely off into space with a firm scowl, or feverishly write on the back of a napkin.
I love how accurate the mathematician and physicist depicting is.
That first type of engineer only applies for mechanical engineers.
The rest of us act like physicists
Nah the napkin writing is for the physicists. The mathematicians don't need to write, they just stare blankly at space because what they are thinking of is so abstract, there isn't even a written form.
As a math student I still am trying to prove everything he said in this video
As a math major I agree with you on every statement about math majors
Prove it.
(Geometrical and contradiction are both accepted)
Qn: why is the cat wet?
engineering major: it fell into water, which is wet.
Physic major: well... assuming certain conditions were met, the cat may or may not have interacted with a substance of the 'wet' property... (This goes on for a while)
Math major:... Water is wet, cat is wet, therefore water = k(cat), but to find the probably that the cat is wet, take P(cat wet I cat alive), then use some mathematics function, then we derived what is a wet cat... What is the question again?
The "what was the question again" part is too real 😂😂
uncertainty of friends major rate drops to 0%
But is water really wet tho?
No i don't have higher education, why did you ask?
because water is sticky!
And besides water, may not other things be wet?
Let us consider the nature of wetness. Can we, in fact, ever really know what it means to be wet.
Meta-physics Major.
"I have a lot of work to do..."
Cue the med student stampede in lab coats they weren't supposed to wear out of the damn lab, rushing to tell you how much work they have, and how you have no idea how easy you have it.
They are a random and volatile environmental variable.
As someone who studied engineering for 2 years then switched to physics.. this is unbelievably true. To this day, i still argue with my friends regarding the quantity of work as opposed to the difficulty, and when i was in engineering the only thing i used to complain about is difficulty hahaha. So glad to have found this channel... binge watching everything now
@@cloud42269 Physics is just plain harder conceptually
@@cloud42269 do you know what the word "conceptually" means?
In the physics department a long time ago, we said if you turn an engineer sideways his mind will disappear.
@@a.f.nik.4210bro, he's not an English major
Guilty of all the engineering tells.
Did I mention I'm an engineer?
Us engineers are like vegans... we need to tell everyone
Wait...I'm vegan but I'm a math major tho
And crosstrainers
But we're actually useful
@@lichking3711 u just killed the joke.
Im vegan and an engineering student, btw
test 1 is not quite right - engineers are scared of doing math on non-integers and would round those specific values to the nearest multiple of 5. Source: am an engineering student
Bc "The path to employment is in minimizing mistakes" and some times the easiest way to do that is just increase your acceptable error before hand lmfao
@@xxportalxx. exactly, by increasing the acceptable error, you decrease the risk factor of human error occurring due to stress/anxiety caused by decimals
@@SeanStephensen Hey a correct rounded number is still better than an incorrect exact number! Hahaha
So true lol, better safe than sorry.
This is true. In my engineering department the motto is "Close enough"
Simple, ask the square root of -1:
Engineer j
Physicist i
Mathematician Aye
this is it.
That is the real test!
MAthematician: "actually it's defined as i²=-1"
cheap calculator: undefined
As an ee student I refuse to accept j into my world
@Nolan E. Ferguson i master race
What about -i ?
As a former engineering math professor this had me rolling. " It does not matter who your daddy is, if your boat don't float." The mathy can tell you in exhausting detail while you are dead and the physicist can tell you, you are both dead and alive but just don't know until somebody observes you.
But the farmer, the physicist, the engineer and the mathy designing a chicken coup is the best joke at chirping all three disciplines.
We do indeed HAVE to tell you, it has to come up at least once in any conversation. It's actually a cry for help.
That is a false positive for engineers, variables are better than numbers any time of the day. As an engineer student we get too much work and difficult to the point one hw takes 6+ hours
Simple test:
Is your friend a socially awkward weirdo? *Engineer*
Is your friend a socially awkward weirdo with zero common sense? *Physicist*
I take offense on behalf of all physics major students.🤪🤣
Being a socially awkward weirdo with zero common sense is required for the field of research.
Is that an OR or XOR or AND statement? Instructions uncleared, sir.
Goddamnit
My physics teacher at high schl was like that lol...anyways he was a nice guy...
As a mathematics student, I feel perfectly described. Docile and beyond the scope of many things, including my own reasoning.
As a CS major in an engineering school, I’ve dealt with all three so... triggered?
As a Physics student, it's funny to notice that I'd react to those statements/questions just like you pointed it out.
I'm glad I found this youtube channel.
What is the area of a circle?
Physicist: pi*r^2
Engineer: (22/7)*(d^2/4)
I'm an engineer and I use pi*r^2
Can confirm. My engineering professor does this.
Omg yes
@@GojoSenpai25 the engineers use np.pi not 22/7
Math major: the area “enclosed” by a circle you mean. The relationship of the area enclosed by any circle is directly proportional to the radius squared. Where as the circumference is directly proportional to the diameter. This proportionality constant is known as pi... and it’s what’s for dessert.
I started off at Colorado State U as a math major. After 3 semesters I began to realize that, while I love math, the mathematicians I knew weren't making that much money. So I switched to physics. This time it only took 2 semesters that physicists are not much better off than math majors. So I switched to engineering, since it uses both disciplines and is a lot more fun. I have 21 patents, mostly in opto-mechanics and am so very happy I picked the path I did.
When I did physics and mathematics in university, I thought the engineering kids' lives were rainbows and sunshine
Don't worry, they'll tell you about it every few minutes.
Your first "test" finally explained why in physics (I'm an IT student at a Technical University) our professor always gave us problems with variables only, no numbers whatsoever
You: "Hey you're an engineering student, right?"
Your friend: "Yeah."
We're all too socially inept to pull off this high grade interaction
"Frankly they're beyond the scope of this video"
Andrew are you the one who wrote my math textbook
I'm in trouble. I got degrees in physics, engineering and math. Now I'm a pastor.
I better check my assumptions and see where I deviated from the true course of rectitude.
@@calypsohowlter1274
All I ever wanted to be growing up was a naval officer (but I never grew up!). A diagnosis of epilepsy ruined that while in college and I had no idea what I wanted to do. I became an academic bum going from school to school taking whatever looked interesting. After a long time, the family asked if I was ever going to graduate. I checked with the registrar and found that I had all the credits for a math degree and lacked only a technical writing class for 5 others. I got the math degree and tried the family business, hated it and went back to school for an engineering degree. That required the writing class and I had so many extra credits that one week in 1994 I graduated from 2 schools with 7 different BA and BS degrees. I then worked as an engineer before realizing that I had been running from my "true calling" for a very long time. Besides, I thought it was time that I made good on all those prayers I made during my number theory class.
Right now I'm taking the highest classes I can in math, physics and chemistry, and I plan to study engineering... I'm not gonna like what's coming for me...
@@7Davidnm I liked the math physics and engineering but didn't care much for chemistry. To me, it felt like trying to memorize a cook book. Since I grew up in the restaurant business, that was anathema to me!
Please be my friend lmao
@john pershing lmfao, true that, ...but in all honesty that comes later
The test to destinguish between a physics and a math major, is to ask them how to show you how to prove the chain rule. If they multiply and devide by dx, then they are Physics students. If they use comlicated terms like epsilon, delta and limit, then they are math major. If you are extremely courageous, then you can ask them if it's ok to devide and multiply by dx. The math major will then have a major rage outburst, powerful enough to define 0/0.
How do you know someone's an engineer? Don't worry, they'll tell you.
*Gets the value of 3.074*
You: I can just round to 3.1
Responses:
Engineer: Nah, 3 is good enough
Physicist: Yea, I guess that works
Mathematician *visibly distraught but too docile to say anything*
chemist: well it depends. Is that how many sig figs you had in the problem? are you solving molarity? There are so many unknown variables, I need to know why you are doing the math so I can know if it is safe to round because you might be off by 8.7 10^-7 and as your professor I may just feel like knocking you for rounding even though the problem never suggested you did or didn't need to round and there were no known rules in the text book to reflect such. and by the way don't even try rounding or doing sig figs in the lab cuz you ALWAYS do two decimal places even if they are zeros bc I feel like they are significant even though it goes against all the rules of sig figs and rounding.
@@SyrianSoaper Yeah... ask them Avogadro number. :)
I literally don’t know a single engineer who rounds pi to 3.
didn't see the "read more" thing and was about to comment: why dont you just say 3?
@@snowangel7980 hey, nice to meet you! my name also starts with an s!
now you do
Academically, I'm a physicist and an engineer. I always introduce myself as a physicist because that's how I think. This video reinforced that for me. But having watched your "physics student taking a math course" video, I see I'm also a mathematician. So it turns out I'm just an applied category theorist :) (which I actually have become in the last few years).
As a computer scientist, I'm still confused if we're engineers or not
Well, if I'm not wrong computer science is science: applied mathematics to theoretical assumptions, which can also been applied into software development too.
That makes you much more friendly to the eyes of physicist/mathematicians! (Compared to engineers haha)
@Damon Martin Yes. Its not only about "automation" or "big data" as general population thinks, but more about solving non-analytical problems, simulating processes in order to compare different outcomes or designing ML systems and neural networks to several purposes. :)
Just do a major in maths and everything will be okay
Trying to major in software engineering, any tips for an entry job after I graduate
I am Hannah Montana
Me “I am a computer desk
Family/friend “That’s cool. I am jealous of the people who work/take calls at IT desks”
Me double facepalm
I’m not actually an engineer or mathematician (yet). Had 2 years of electrical engineering (out of 4 years) and transferred to math major afterwards. Back then I was really making up some seemingly logical and quick answers to silly questions, like why the sky is blue etc. As of right now, I’m feeling really uncomfortable when I don’t have accurate solution that was made from scratch without any assumptions if possible. Even if I’m using proved theorem or thesis I’m still freaking out if I don’t have proof in my mind.
Still have excitement for hard problems and don’t mind crazy numbers, though.
Video is absolutely accurate.
You'll never have to ask an engineering student what his major is because they will remind you every time you talk
Me: having a good time calculating things in scientific notation and not having any worries in life
*USA: CUSTOMARY UNITS*
Dimensional analysis as a concept exists solely to unstupid our measurement systems
When you watch a RUclips video and have to determine the country of origin of the creator so you know what they mean by gallon.
@@elgatto3133 Or simply dont use joke units?
@@obi-wankenobi9871 Give us the couple billion dollars to replace our signage otherwise we'll be fine
@@elgatto3133 You mean the huge sums in damages every year, caused by faulty imperial to metric conversions? I think you already have that money, you could just use it for something better then paying damages.
Meanwhile the Computer science students sit in the corner inhaling compressed air.
For real though they'll go "ugh your making me solve an equation" for the first.
And respond like an engineering student for the second, and like a math for the third
Bruh EXACTLY!
In regard to test 1, I'm an engineering student, and I seriously hate doing algebra and such with numbers, I'm always waiting with the numbers to the last step, but my professor on the other hand loves numbers.
Do one on the math major. I've never been able to figure them out
Im a math major, I still haven't figured us out.
@@bugsybro3011 hey same
@@brodyscarlett5527 me too, though I do feel very called out by this video
Pure Math majors get triggered when you mention rigor. I know. I'ma pure math major 😁
It's very simple, just start with "I have a map I want to color", if they get triggered they are math majors
Nobody:
Literally nobody:
Engineering student: "I'm an engineering student"
*I know it because i'm an engineering student*
As a computer engineer, we are another breed lol
It’s a combination of an engineer, a physicist, a mathematician, and a philosopher all at once.
We make tons of assumptions but we hate assumptions. We work with a lot of number and proof, but we hate those too. We overcomplicate physics problems but not as much as a physicist, but also oversimplify them but not as much as an engineer. We do a lot of problem solving like an engineer but often are just trying to solve or build an abstract system. We think on a different spectrum of math and thoughts like mathematicians and philosopher do, but we made up our own spectrum by plagiarizing mathematicians and philosophers works. We can’t English like engineers, but we can do a bit better at writing but not as good as philosophers. And we over explain things like a philosopher, while having no clue what I just said. We also like to drink a lot of coffee, never sleep. I am always eating ramen cups. We have a lot of brain damage but we pretend we are ok. Yesterday I went for a walk at the park. I am eating Oreos right now…. Wait, what was I talking about? 🤔
HAHA jokes on You. I have double major in both Physics and Electical Engineering.
~send help~
god bless
Me too
same! high five!
Wadha A. It’s good to know that I am not aliñe.
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I love how his description of an engineer is specifically a mech lol, ce's look more or less like compsci majors, ee's tend to look more presentable and occasionally closer to met's, and met's look more like they're dressed to go down on a diesel lol
Step 1: Mention a difficult formula
Step 2: Either get told that the formula is in fact simple, for pi is indeed equal to 3, or observe someone crying
(Engineering Major) I actually responded really quickly to a questions I was 100% confident about because I didn't want to hear "but you're an engineering major you should know this"
Never felt so attacked before in my entire life by a vide
Math will also complain about the number of pages for an assignment, which may give you a false positive.
ME's like beer, EE's like data sheets, Math's like altcoin, Phys like conundrums, SWE like ChatGPT.
I wish I was a physics/engineering student
No. No you dont.
In CS at least, the process is needlessly difficult. The material should be easy, but the way that it's taught makes it take about 3x the work of what it should be. I'm a Math/CS major, and I learn complicated math easily, but f*ck me if I can troubleshoot a simple off-by-one error. I never know what's going on in CS, and the professors tend to have a sink-or-swim attitude rather than the more nurturing "let's walk through this together" attitude that math imploys.
I love CS. From the bottom of my heart, there is nothing better than creating something and seeing it work. It's magic. That's why I put up with all the bullshit from learning it. It isn't as hard as the professors will make it.
@@aldenheterodyne2833 cs isn't even real engineering major
@@aldenheterodyne2833 this is because programming should be developed individually, doesn't work the same from person to person, and by helping you out they would only be contaminating your way of thinking. Anyway, you should be able to learn cs quite easily by just being organized 😉
@@whistlingbanshee5038 I knew a STEM student would come in and offer that retort.
Was literally smiling the whole time. This was so accurate
although, it's the engineer that ends the engineer vs physicist/mathematician joke with, "but I'll get close enough."
On rule number one: I'm (almost) a master graduate in electronics engineering and I (and my peers usually) like to have the numbers, but hate to have non-round numbers, because we want to be able to do the calculations on the go and just get to the prototyping.
Just ask if they agree with this statement: is π=3=e true?
And if they say that the formatting is wrong and it should be π == e == 3, then they're a CS major.
My eyes hurt after seeing that. How could you
@@StrategicGamesEtc π === e === 3. Js 4 the win
What kind of heresy is going on here?
As a physics grad student, what is this 3 you speak of? I don't remember that being in the Greek alphabet.
Just ask them to define a vector
Engineering student: magnitude and direction… gives arrow
Physics student: explains abstract vector spaces and inner products in Dirac notation
Math student: does the same but notates vectors as kanji characters
Q: How to tell if someone is a physics/engineering major?
A: Just ask them
People lie.
Z3nt4 Why would someone lie that they are not a physic major you moron
Luckily all 3 agree that a social studies/science major is an absolute joke
Every other major***
As a law student who just loves to learn about physics I’m offended
@@MichaelSmith-bh7oh You should be. Someone somewhere talked you in studying law!
king_ Tesseract yeah well the fact that I come from a Family where there are more lawyers than not lawyers makes your point pretty valid. But what really kicked of my love for the legal profession was the series Suits
@@MichaelSmith-bh7oh I can't read a bunch documents that are technically English, but not really. I'm in the CS field so I understand technical documents. But law?
Only lawyers think a document that's sole purpose is to obfuscate the very information it was supposed convey, is a good document.
i watch all of your videos religiously like i’m even a STEM major; i’m majoring in accounting. i don’t understand any of what you’re saying, but it’s still fascinating for some reason. I’ve also heard/spotted the anger due to some of the things you’ve mentioned in my best friend, as she’s a biomedical engineer major 😂
true test is to ask if they are true tensor bois
also dirac is god
shiet u rite
YEP
Im gonna name this my physics whatsap group
Student of any major: oh god next year will be so painful, I'll have to do 10 exams in the year and I have 1-2 exams that I didn't pass last year.
Unpolite engineering: Oh well this year I have 12 exams of which 3 of them require group projects and I have 4 exams that have carried over to this year, not because they are hard but because the pass rate is shit, like 15/100.
Polite engineering student: come to me my child, I'll teach you how to sustain the pain
Pls do more engineering humour 😂. We need more laughs in quarantine.
Just ask "Do you like aproximations?". If the answer is yes, it's an engineering student.
Hard disagree. Physics majors approximate all the time to do Taylor expansions or to make sin(x)=x
@@tristantipton3641 statistical mechanics has a lot of approximations
when i have to get some kind of formula out of something i always use Taylor Series lol (i study math)
@@tristantipton3641 Picks from my last exam: Adiabatic approximation, Harmonic approximation, nearly free electron approximation, Thomas-Fermi approximation .... Yeah
(Solid state physics)