WHAT. The Church on Ruby Road Reaction and Review (Doctor Who)
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- Опубликовано: 24 дек 2023
- I just saw Doctor Who The Church on Ruby Road and I... have thoughts. Here are my first impressions and thoughts on the episode and on Ncuti Gatwa's new 15th Doctor. Stay on the lookout for the Community Reaction video and my thoughts on Doctor Who Series 14, hope you enjoy!
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I hope the women isn't doctors mother
@@ben10big98dawg what
i got spoiled on WIKIPEDIA the old lady ("you've never seen a tardis before ?") is (SPOILERS) :
The master, (according to wikipedia)
@@copperpower3013 Keep in mind Wikipedia can be edited by fans. Same with imdb
@@dwfan91- you're right i checked again and she's no longer the master according to wikipedia but in my opinion she's probably a time lord or one of the doctor's friend, To me, the weirdest thing isn't 'Never seen a TARDIS before?' but when she said 'good luck' to Ruby before she entered the TARDIS. It means she's wishing her good luck as a companion of the Doctor, so it breaks the fourth wall even more than the camera glance. But the wink still reminds me of Missy though.
My problem with this episode is the doctor saying “i’m alone” like his weird clone david tennant brother wasn’t hanging out with donna down the road
He's not with them. Bi-generation was like a fork in the road. New face, new life. 14 stepped away from the responsibility so he could live. While 15 is like this new guy free of most of the trauma. The only outstanding thing being all Timeless Child stuff. That's the lasting trauma/mystery he has to carry. Tennant has to process all the stuff from the memory wipe onwards. And 15 has the room to explore pre-memory wipe.
But it's always like that though, whenever The Doctor says he's alone. He has a time machine. At any point he could go hang out with any of the hundreds, thousands of people he has befriended in his travels. But even so...
@@jackayers4955but yeh hes not the only timelord now, he could go hang out with 14 if he wanted x
Literally several miles away. But I took it as a “the Doctor lies” type moment
It was good. Was it amazing? Nah. But Ncuti and Millie sold it and that’s the main point. Fairly average story like with immense enthusiasm from those two and great chemistry which makes me think that their first season is going to slap. It’s served its purpose and was fun on Christmas Day (both my parents said it was great and they can’t wait to watch next season) so now I’m looking forward to it and cementing these guys in my doctor who mind.
I agree
Christmas episodes are always very fluffy
I think (and hope) the reason for ruby going into the tardis will probably be brought up at the beginning of the next episode. Like she obviously wanted to go follow him as soon as she realized he's a time-traveller so maybe she wants to ask him to help her find her relatives or something similar since that seems to be her driving force this season
I do also like the idea that the TARDIS let her in.
I think it was an impulse personally. She met this man who literally brought her back into existence, saved her new foster sister, and clearly he's interesting and has had years of experience. She briefly mentions losing her job, so maybe it's a more optimistic Rose? They could have done far better, but there is some decent foundation to expand upon.
@@cartoongame5007 Yes. She's supposed to be 19 so impulse and adventure makes sense. The quibble I have is that the Doctor seems to be doing the same thing that Nine did with Rose - a quick exit with the family not knowing where this teen has gone, the family will be worried sick. The Ncuti Gatwa Doctor was made to seem like he cares about the family but now all of a sudden maybe the Doctor just flat out doesn't care any more than Nine did when Rose first got on the Tardis.
@@billkerns9258the doctor is theoretically always able to return his companion to the exact moment they left. it doesnt always happen that way but its been brought up many times
@@bennett4789 the track record of that actually happening especially during RTD is extremely poor though. Like usually the doctor says "oh I can bring you back exactly when we left" and then comes back between a few days to a year later than they first left
I would like to say I’ve been a who fan for awhile now, my wife has never watched who, we just sat down and watched the Christmas special she doesn’t know about any other doctors or even the last three specials, this is her first Doctor and she was hooked it was nice seeing that spark for wanting more. I’m excited for what’s to come and getting to experience it with her.
That's awesome
I was SHOCKED when you told me you were gonna be finishing a video on Christmas, such commitment is unfathomable
you know how it is🫡
I really think Davies and Moffat need each other and if they would pen a series together it would be incredible.
I think that, depending on how long she's been a musician, Ruby has the improv skills necessary to jump into song and dance on the goblin ship
I took “the goblins aren’t time travelers” bit as a like a facetious comment, like “I’m a time traveler, what these guys do isn’t anything like that I do”… kinda like how Eccleston would talk about vortex manipulators.
that's exactly what it was, he said "this lot just bimble"
Millie Gibson is fantastic because she really "gets" the whole companion thing, Ncuti Gatwa is fantastic because he reminds me of Jon Pertwee with his action heroism and knack for inventing, and this episode is fantastic because I found this story to be a thoroughly enjoyable romp.
Yeah I enjoyed it the singing really surprised me I think this new series will be epic
Just a quick thing about the celebrity guest star: that's Davina McCall who (among other things) is famous for presenting Long Lost Family, a show about people finding family members they've never met (like birth parents or siblings they were separated from).
That's why Ruby is on the set of a TV show because it's supposed to mirror Long Last Family. I actually thought that bit was quite clever/funny tbh!
I wonder if I just missed it but did we ever find out what Ruby does? Like is she a student? Does she work? What’s her hobbies or interests? I liked her mysterious backstory about being left as a baby but then I realised that’s pretty much all I know about her.
I honestly didnt remember this from the episode but someone else commented that apparently there's a one-off line saying she lost her job. She's also in a band. Maybe that counts😭
she's a musician! she plays in a band at the beginning, which also makes sense as to why she could sing so well in the musical number
I went into the episode a little dubious, but everything about this episode made me smile. It honestly made my week after a pretty... weird... one at work. I was NOT expecting 15 and Ruby to have a SONG, my jaw dropped straight open. I thought the Goblin CGI was a bit goofy at points, but they did do a mix of that and real stuff. Honestly, if RTD2 had started with THIS episode and had no three 14th Doctor specials beforehand, it would have been even cooler.
(The fast paced edits with rapid-fire shots and the sound mix wasn't amazing, though)
I wonder how much they will play into Ruby Sunday’s motive being that she wants to find out who her parents are. I think they might go for a Rey from Star Wars orphan thing where it doesn’t matter and define her. Or maybe they will go a lot more sci-fi and make her her own mother or something. Who knows😂
As one who went through therapy, we still cry about what we went through. It just hurts less. Because of the scars.
Also in this video he makes it sound like the orphan trauma & the death trauma they dealt with in the giggle are the same thing. It's 2 completely different things
💯!!
My main problem with this episode is Ruby herself and the tone.
In the Behind the scenes, Russel described Ruby, how she's an orphan and she doesn't know who her birth mum is yadda yadda yadda. But heres the thing, he didn't really mention what her character was. She is almost entirely defined by her backstory. She's got personality, but really its just the companion 'sassy' default settings slightly lightened. She has no world view that can be broken or conflicted with, no aspiration for anything on an individual level EXCEPT that of her past. And therefore, her relationship with the Doctor feels kinda bland. Like they just instantly like each other for pretty much no reason and she just excepts the fact that Goblins are real and has no real sense of priorities. Even the resolution at the end has absolutely no influence from her, its all the Doctor and all the location of the backstory.
What are her motivations? Hobbies? Goals? OUTSIDE of her past? We're given glimpses of her life, but they don't really indicate anything unique. She's rootable because of her backstory, where she stands in the plot, not because of her character itself in the established norm, and i feel like this problem extends to the tone.
Russel wants to make Doctor Who more fantastical, but that clashes against his grounded sensibilities. The Goblins are not a reflection of the Doctor's world and the normal world mixing together, like the Autons or Judoon or Adipose. They're just Goblins, only relatable to Ruby because of the whole baby orphan thing. And so, because of that, she is just an extension of the overarching plot rather than a separate character. Like Amy Pond for example. Not as bad as Amy obviously, she at least has a bit of a personality in comparison to Amy. But thats the thing, this episode, really, isn't about her. In short, I wanted 'Ruby Sunday' and instead got 'The Church on Ruby Road'.
To be fair we only just met her and we already know she's in a band, is charismatic with her neighbours, has a deep connection to her mother and grandmother and cares deeply for her foster siblings. Yes she is curious about her bio family but it didn't feel that central to me. Her chemistry with the doctor seemed more intrigue and admiration for him because she doesnt know him yet, their friendship can exactly be perfect sassy chums straight away
Stop acting like a fool. She had good character traits other than her backstory, you just simply chose to ignore that. She has a great family dynamic which lets her be a good character already. And she is fucking 19, you dimwit. What world view is she supposed to talk about in the first episode? And her chemistry with the doctor was amazing, how is it bland when she already has some similarities with the Doctor? is this punk serious? lol. And this was just first episode, you did not know everything about Rose or Martha in the first episode.
And the goblin thing happened because of the myth aspect of last episode. Doctor Who has made stories about other ideas such as magic before. Imagine being this retarded.
@@VanessaAnn93Also, she is Incredibly, maybe Recklessly brave. Few would climb the ladder into the unseen flying thing, but she leapt into danger to do what only she could do.
Proper Companion material.
I think you're expecting a bit much from just one episode. Did we find out Rose's hobbies and goals in the first episode? Amy's? Donna's or Clara's? We knew Martha wanted to become a doctor since she was a medical student and that played a part in the plot, but that was an exception. We don't usually get a whole character breakdown of every aspect of who they are. And yes she's in a band... that's a hobby. More than I know about the hobbies of most other companions tbh.
@@D__03 we did know Rose and Amy wanted an escape from their lives which is why they travelled with him
I honestly thought it was just a good episode of doctor who the singing kinda threw me of a bit but I really did like this episode I didn’t think it was absolutely amazing but it was definitely good also the trailer for season 1 looks really good 👍 ALSO GOATED VIDEO
I loved the singing honestly, gives me hope for a musical episode honestly.
I yelped in joy when he sang
@@VanessaAnn93yeah totally wasn’t expecting it and he can sing! 😳
you can cry post therapy - youre still emotionally connected its just not contuining to damage you
I actually had a thought that the women is Ruby from the future just the way she said good luck Ruby and Ruby's reaction to her saying that something just felt abit weird about it could also be her Mum but I think it makes more sense that Ruby's Mum will be a separate part of the story, she didn't really seem like a villain to me but I could be wrong.
I just loved Ncutis performance and Millie was likable.
It definitely exceeded my expectations! At first the singing really threw me off especially when the Doctor and Ruby joined it but when I rewatched the episode it was just fun, felt like they were performing just to trick the goblins into thinking they’re in on the goblin hijinks. Loved the more complex cinematography overall like a personal favourite (as i reach the end of the vid i realise im in direct disagreement with you lmao) was the part where the goblins go back in time to eat Ruby and the lighting in her flat shifts as the Doctor realises what’s happened, great stuff! Agree with what you said about Ruby seemingly having no reason to run off with the Doctor, hopefully they’ll expand on it. Probs my biggest concern rn is how they’ve finished filming season 2 before season 1 has even come out, which means they literally arent capable of taking any feedback and putting it into the show, i think its really important for them to consider what people actually think before moving on and continuing production. Anyway, another BANGER video from you bro, glad you enjoyed it too!
And a Merry Christmas to all of you at home!
They definitely give best friend energy russell t davies better not make a love story out of this
he won't, i won't spoil it unless you ask but set photos have shown that's not the case
9:27 therapy doesn't just get rid of problems, though. They are still there, he's just better at dealing with them.
I suppose that is a good way to get around it. The bigeneration was *meant* to help him get rid of his trauma, but it didn't work. I think I like that actually
Goated video, why did the Goblin King have no dialogue though? He's hyped up as this big bad, even a brief conversation between him and the Doctor would have established the goblins as more of a threat. The only way we know what the goblins are up to is ... the Doctor guessing? The episode was fine, just not my cup of tea I suppose
he was never hyped as the big bad.
For someone who didn’t want fourteen to exist, you sure think about him a lot 😏
lol I kid, I get your point tho, it is distracting knowing he’s out there but I’ll personally leave that for fan theories and fanfic.
I enjoyed the episode even tho I didn’t think it was as likeable as the 60th anniversary specials but it had a lot of really great and deep emotional moments that I’m still thinking about hours later (e.g. ‘why are you crying?’ ‘Why are YOU crying?’)
I’m definitely curious about how the Doctor and Ruby relate to each other in both being orphans/not knowing much about where they came from and how their relationship develops. Good start ✨
(Merry Christmas!)
Merry Christmas! yeah 14 bugs me and has since before it was even announced. I feel like even though I mention it every video, I haven't really talked in depth about how much I don't like the creative decision. And it's truly aged like milk in retrospect
@@dwfan91- oof! I see your point pretty clearly actually but I’m still so lost in the sauce of getting Tennant back for a few eps lol 😅
surprised and disappointed by the lack of tardis interior shots considering this is supposed to be episode one 💔💔 wanted to see 15 man handling that console
5:34 … you’re kidding right?!? She released he’s a time traveler and wants to find her mother! Also did you not realise the opening scenes wasn’t the same as when he arrived to save baby Ruby? That will be from the end of the season
6:00 dont worry bro I gotchu🫡
wheyyy another upload! i plan to enjoy this video
Hope you do!
I think part of why it makes sense to be following the 15th Doctor now is because the 15th Doctor is the one who’s carrying the legacy of the Doctor. 14 stopped being “the Doctor” and the 15th Doctor carried the torch
But the 14th dr turns into the 15th dr in the future?
I loved this ep!! One thing that worries me though is Disney's complete FUMBLING of everything so far. The anniversary specials were marked as specials 1-3, which is fine.... but this one is marked as special 4. Unless Season 1 (i know... ew) manages to do super well as an introduction to BOTH the doctor AND ruby.... it's not going to bode well for the "new era" as its going to be SUPER confusing for new viewers. This episode is genuinely as good as Rose in setting up parts of doctor who for new viewers, but it's marked as special 4??? Not even as "The Doctor Who Christmas Special" (trust me, Disney loves their Christmas specials and putting them in collections, why didn't they do that???) It is so concerning to me. Specials 1-3 are a bad place to start, but with this numbering and confusing messaging.... it's almost saying THOSE are the new jumping off point. There has also been no advertising that I've seen, which is concerning even moreso because well... when the supposed "big marketing push" for season 1 starts, where are they going to point new viewers? Season 1 which won't be able to introduce either of them as well as the special did, to special "four" which will be jarring when they see it's a christmas special being pushed in Spring months after release, or the anniversary specials which will have the months after release problem AND confuse the hell out of new viewers. I'm... worried about the shows Disney+ future, to say the least.
nah this is so true. they fucked it up sooo hard they had to make a ‘doctor who collection’ tab 😭😭
I really hope in the week before Season 1 they put this in Dr who Season 1 as either episode 1 or episode 0 (or just Xmas special)
@spacepenguins8939 That would be ideal (max deals with specials in a similar way and it didn't feel too weird while watching as a new viewer to new who (literally watched it starting january, finished july), but it still runs into the issue of weird marketing messaging. But it would be better than nothing I guess.
this was part of the deal with disney. no choice.
9:18 I personally disagree on this point specifically, I don't think that just because the 15th doctor has had "therapy" thanks to 14 and bigeneration that doesn't mean that the trauma of his past won't have any affect on him at all anymore, sure he can deal with it and things involving his past better now rather than just running from the problem or keeping himself constantly busy like how past doctors (mostly 13 and 14) did, like he can still feel and express deep emotions, especially when they involve things he would relate to on a personal level, and this doctor in particular seems like one who's very open to expressing his emotions fully. I feel like it was perfectly reasonable for him to cry when he did, but those are just my thoughts on the matter.
Agree, it's not like therapy will turn you into a robot that can only feel positive things :')
I was NOT expecting a little musical moment there, like the Doctor actually singing :0 also still wondering what "mavity" is all about. overall i thought it was a cute Christmas special! happy holidays!
Total agree on the editing. The scene where he gets out of the Tardis and stares at the house and then gets sad and says "Maybe im the bad luck" as if he DIDNT want to be in Ruby's life but then he opens the door and welcomes her in? Very odd. Something got lost in the edit.
After listening to the commentary, I think that's the major takeaway. From what I heard the Disney notes and cut had a large effect on this episode. Definitely need a re-edit
The episode as a whole felt fun, it wasn't taking itself too seriously and I love how the new RTD era is leaning into camp a lot more than it has been. I love the new sonic, it's weird and I think that fits Ncuti's portrayal.
Ruby being part of a band probably wasn’t mentioned again in this episode because they’re probably setting up her skills for the musical/Beatles episode. I think that works better, set it up now; pay it off later.
I don't really mind that it wasn't brought up again- the episode is focused on more important things. It's a nice detail to flesh her out more but not something that needed to necessarily play a role in the plot of this episode specifically
@@dwfan91- definitely. i agree.
it was a very nice sarah jane adventures episode
I ship them. Already loving the vibes. It’s scary new but in a good way
I feel like Mrs Flood is either the, or a "worker" of, The Meddling Monk. She encouraged/tempted Issac Newton to the tree until he came up with a great idea as if she knew something was going to happen. Then in this one she knew the Tardis and encouraged Ruby to follow him. She's definitely meddling with time behind the scenes and the goblins with their own time manipulation was another indicator of this. Time will tell but Russell did say there's a reason the intro has that strange effect when the Tardis interacts with the vortex, as if time is changing whenever the Doctor interacts with it. Theyll have to deal with the fact that Ruby and the doctor were never supposed to meet and that their meeting started the chain reaction for whatever big bad thing this is leading up to.
Not to mention that it has been almost 50 years since the monk's last tv appearance with the Doctor. And I'm willing to bet she did place Ruby at that church as a way to set the dominoes in place. I wonder if it will turn out that she actually STOLE Ruby from her birth parents. Maybe even wiped them from time which is why there's no trace.
Just a theory but it makes more sense to me than the Rani 🤷
mfw its omega
@@dwfan91- Womega
I agree with the bigeneration thing and the giggle stuff I really don’t know why RTD did that
I think this episode was overall alright. The specials till now have felt different from the normal Doctor Who I would expect, I’m unsure if this is a good thing going foreword, naturally change is great, well Doctor Who has thrived and survived with change. I feel like the highlight of this episode was definitely the family dynamic, my favourite character has got to be the grandma. Looking foreword to the future uploads on this channel.
I love this man
Ruby said in the interview with Davina that she didn't do well in school and her life is very hectic and expensive and she says shes still waiting for her life to start.
I really liked it ncuti is working his way to be one of my favorites if this episode was any indication of the future
Good episode, established both Ncuti and Millie’s characters well and builds the start of a good story thread with her identity and Mrs Flood at the end. Aesthetics nice, story solid, musical number a bit random but overall really solid and sets a great precedent
I've given the episode a rewatch, and I think I like it. Millie was perfectly fine. Ncuti is very distinctive as the Doctor. He's good, but I still need more time to warm up to his new take. I still dont know how to feel about the musical bits. They felt...weird. The goblins were a cool design, but a bit mid as villians.
Haters love to hate. I loved this. No one has patience to see where the story is going.
I enjoyed it too
I really enjoyed The Church on Ruby Road. It was surprisingly good for a Christmas Special
As a more casual fan than you are, i thoroughly loved it!
I liked it too
Trailer looks exciting
I like it too
I haven’t said it anywhere yet, but I wonder if anyone else thought like me… the way the Goblin King reminded me of The Duppie in the Amazing Stories episode “The Babysitter” 😅🤓🤷🏻♂️
Just started watching your videos and i love them, thanks for all your work! Cant wait to hear the rest of your thoughts on the season and to dig through all your thoughts on the series as a whole. You're very insightful and knowledgeable, and i gotta say, i like your opinions (especially the occassional Clara slander, like girl, you were cool just...go away).
So far I'm not sure how i feel about the whole new doctor world, but I'm absolutely loving the performances. I hope the writers can deliver some good payoffs because this Doctor and Ruby are already just great to me and they deserve some demanding episodes. Like did you see Ncuti absolutely ACTING in Dot and Bubble? I didnt love the episode, but damn i loved him. And Rogue? Are you kidding me! Like all new doctors, he's taking some getting used to, but the charm just exudes from him. I kind of wish they hadn't done him so dirty by pairing him up with Tennant, but i imagine the anniversary specials will feel more endearing and happily nostalgic in a couple years.
Anyways, long comment. Just wanted to say thanks!
Thank *You* ! And also I've gotta say you summed up my thoughts on Clara exactly😂 Like she was cool... but damn😭
LESSSS GOOOO
ERIC
@@dwfan91-GOATED VIDEO
It was soo good.❤
You talked about how 10 mentioned fate before, but 10 mentions fate in a spiritual sense. When 15 talks about luck here, and how this is new, he's talking about essentially a new language being added into the universe. New methods of science introduced into the universe since the Toymaker. As he makes it clear it's not magic. Essentially the universe has introduced loads of new scientific fields, and this one focuses on luck and coincidence. I love the idea that the Doctor is no longer all knowing. We FINALLY get to see him figure out larger questions related to the universe instead of just smaller problems.
It's a quick moment, but Ruby being in a band is why I think she broke out into song with the Doctor. She's clearly musical herself, and also why I think music might play a large role in the coming season. There's the juke box in the Tardis and the new villain who's costume has piano keys on it. So it might be that each episode deals with a new language introduced into the universe, with the overarching language being music.
NO WAY DOUBLE DWFAN91 CHRISTMAS UPLOAD??? 😳
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@@dwfan91-WE ALWAYS DO🫡
There seems to be a through line with the criticisms of the new episodes. It’s the ending. Most of the criticisms seems to be about how the ending is bad in some way
Yeah it was ok i really enjoyed ncuti as the doctor i just hope russell t davies can write him song banger episodes in the first series, also where did u find that doomsday remix that sounded epic
my theory is that the person who drops ruby at the church is river song
It wasn’t the best DW ep and there were some rough parts but I absolutely loved it. After years of having a Doctor that doesn’t feel or have the aura of the Doctor for so long( Jo Martin did for me but she wasn’t the main one) it’s so refreshing and amazing seeing Ncuti instantly have that from the giggle and even more so here. I can fully understand why RTD Moffat and everyone who saw him said that he was instantly the Doctor he is truly terrifyingly good. I love how the salt thread from WBY has seemingly opened up the universe to other worldly and beyond our understanding of the universe threats(I don’t know if this is actually the case just my own head canon). Also other people might have a problem with it but I love the extra gadgets the Doctor now hopefully has it always felt like a missed opportunity that an super advanced ancient time traveller only had one tool to help him and I love how short and limited the life cycle of these gadgets felt I hope it continues. Mille was great and I love her and her family’s dynamic and while I still despise the timeless child RTD is doing more than Chibby did in exploring fleshing and actually making me warm to it even though I hope it’s retconned as just a prank asap
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I’d say the unanswered questions are in one of two categories: main arc questions and ruby sunday character questions. Annoying I don’t think they’ll all be linked
Ruby did mention that she lost her job as well, so it’s essentially the idea the doctor showed up at a crossroads for her and that’s why she “takes the jump”
"Went into it with good faith" 😂😅🤣🤣🤣
I went in expecting fun and I got fun
Pal here saying the factual facts!
Crying doesn’t mean you haven’t got over a trauma ?? It’s even the other way around. 15 is allowing his broken past to affect him in a way that 13 or 14 never could…
both 13 and 14 cried tho
@@dwfan91- No but You can clearly see that he doesn’t cope with it the same way that the other did. I mean there’s a stark difference between 14 in WBY and 15 now
@@winterwonderland7445 Not really a stark difference between 13 and 15 though. Again, these aren't criticisms of the episode but moreso the ending to the Giggle. If we go straight from Power of the Doctor to this it works great!
I’ve seen the ‘he who waits’ thing all over dr who Reddit. What is it, did I walk out of the room in a recent episode and miss it, when was this??
I loved this episode, Ncuti made a great first impression and so did the actress playing the new companion
I have to say I REALLY don’t get that sense you mentioned that 14 still being out there like hangs over the show
Yeah I think the intention is that you're just not supposed to think about it. From what RTD said I imagine the specials were self-contained so I wouldn't be surprised if 14 gets more than 1 mention going forward. In a way it's a shame, as its a pretty massive plot hole that had no reason being there in the first place but also I'd much rather we forgot about it and moved on so overall a W
@@dwfan91- I do agree that it would be a shame for him to just be forgotten, part of me hopes that he’ll play in to the ending of the series and might, like you suggested, merge back into 15
@@RollMeAFat1 That would solve a lot of my problems
You said about Wild Blue Yonder that it made you excited for Doctor Who again (I think) but for me it was this episode. I love David Tennant as much as the next guy but WBW just felt like more of the same (in a good way but also in a predictable way). This episode felt energized and interesting in a way I haven't felt with DW in a long while. The musical number was fun and campy and I thought the episode did a good job of making me care about Ruby and her story. Ncuti, of course, was a triumph in every frame. That man can do no wrong from what I've seen so far. I get what you mean about the stacking mysteries and how disappointing it'll be if we don't get all the answers but I can't help but be intrigued. My main concern is him pulling some wack shit with 14 in the future and forcing Tennant in again where he isn't needed because, again, Ncuti is killing it. Overall, it was quite a fun ride with a fun new alien species with an interesting power base and an electric Doctor and interesting enough companion. Obviously not the bestest episode of DW ever to exist but I think its perfectly functional as an intro and Christmas episode and I'm exceedingly excited to see where we go from here :)
it was good ! i had fun with it, sold me on millie and has me confident for ncuti
This a super Moffat feeling episode for me (in the best of ways). The cracks, jumping back to solve an issue, the speedy one-liners.
Ruby feels like a fab Moffat companion, with a touch of Russel to make her more grounded and relatable.
To me, this episode restored my faith somewhat in the new series. While I loved lots about the three 60th specials, I thought the rollercoaster pacing was scary for the future of storytelling. Seeing Russel set up a new character and family nice and slowly, like we got in Rose, made me so happy.
With each day that passes, my thoughts of this episode grow more positive. And considering I liked it quite a bit first time round, that’s quite high praise!
@@dwfan91- same! I thought a rewatch would hurt but it’s growing! Ncuti IS the Doctor
Seems it was made clear she wanted to go with the Doctor once she worked out he is a Time Traveller. How different is Ruby's motivation for time travel (to discover her parents) than Rose's (to meet her father)?.
I disliked the full on fantasy (just calling it "different" physics didnt even cut it with Ruby!), but the main problem was the pacing was really all over the place and it wasnt just Ruby's reactions to events that felt unreal, creating an "uncanny valley" feel. Was it fairytale, was it 'slice of life'?
Has the Toymaker's realm/salt at the edge of the Universe fundamentally changed the laws of reality and how people interact with the "unnatural"?
Tonally, I was left non-plussed by what the vibe they are going for.
Why did you play the lugia symphony from the poke.on 200 movie at the end it just perked my ears right up
because its a beautiful soundtrack you know how it is🙏
@@dwfan91- true dat
Honestly got me it’s the best Christmas special because I actually enjoyed it, the character dynamics really work. There’s also the fact that majority of the Christmas specials are very not good
Fair, I think it's probably in my top3-4 christmas
I honestly just really hope there is nothing romantic going on between ruby and the doctor. We've already had enough poorly handled romances in all three previous new who eras
I highly doubt they will be. It really seems to me like they’re playing up the fact that Ncuti Gatwa is gay, and quite possibly so is his Doctor.
Nah, I think they’re gonna push hard for him being her “gay best friend.”
As a gay man myself, I have first hand experience with these vibes, and these vibes were STRONG in the episode.
I meeeaaaaan it ate?
I actually ended up liking the Ruby/Doctor orphan parallel more than I expected! Usually the soapy stuff puts me off but the goblins feeding on coincidences made it make sense. Davies is good at writing characters and the acting definitely sold it for me. And Ncuti gives me butterflies, looking forward to see more of his depth.
Now, the singing? Ew. The Disneyfication of it all? Ew. I prefer the cinematic but minimalist style of Jodie’s era. It just… looks.. so Disney remake. Something about this Specials era feels messy and like the Disney money is taking them far but not quite far enough.
it’s def doctor who when the first hour after the episode you can’t decide if you love it or if ur giving up on the show forever. Very much looking forward to see more, and excited about new stories!!! All in all, maybe a 6/10?
Love your videos especially because you're more critical than other whotubera. nuclear bad takes though. definitely would love to hear your thoughts after a rewatch
I can't lie, I enjoyed it😂 I'm always going to be real no matter what- if I enjoy an episode I'm gonna say it, if I don't I'll call it out. I appreciate the kind words though my friend, have a very merry christmas time🫡
@@dwfan91- merry belated christmas. or happy new year at this point. yeah i mean even at the time RTD1 was happening episodes like rose and new earth theyre kind of quite bad i always felt like they start out rough but I don't doubt the new season will have at least one or two really stand out episodes so I'm mainly viewing this christmas episode as all set up and potential. i feel like it needs the rest of it to be a complete whole
@@bethanyanne802 very true
I thought it was mid but a lot of post regeneration stories are. All I care about is the Doctor and the companion work (which I felt for the most part they did).
I have a pet peeve with adoption stories about wanting to find birth parents. I get that's a real thing that happens. I just think it's a bad message to send to adopted kids (you're not complete without birth parents). I don't know what's up with all the musicality of the show lately. The story felt very been there, done that. And I kind of wish RTD was looking to the future. Instead he seems to be borrowing elements from his predecessors. I hope the show doesn't turn too magical. It'll be too similar to Moffat's fairly tale elements.
Honestly the fact it's mid and the fact the specials were hit and miss has me a little worried about the future of the show.
No, I don't think the goblins cook the babies before they eat them. That's what the thumbnail meant right
what were they cooking?🤨
We cook food to make it taste better and to make it safe to eat. Giving Miss Ruby Sunday a string of misfortune is the Goblonic version of cooking
@@llewelynshingler2173 they *DID* cook
I think 14 gonna regen into matt smith and go and get himself shot by that astronaut girl
Personally I thought it was okay. Nothing really happened in the episode for me. Plus the doctor was never a ‘foundling’ this ‘timeless child’ business needs to do one. It shouldn’t be canon and ruins the lore. But I’ll continue watching. I think Ncuti needs to refine his doctor a little bit. Not fully convinced yet but he’s okay. There are some bits of dialogue where it wasn’t clear what he was saying. Also wasn’t keen on the musical scene as it felt forced and out of place. Plus the doctor would never sing and dance or dance in a night club.
He's had a single episode
Doctor who doctors are refined during the main series no specials
I can't think of a recent doctor who was refined in their introductory specials
Refining can only happen with time
The doctor is essentially a entirely different man with similar beats
He becomes someone different personality wise when he regenerates
So the he would never do this and that is kind of anti the regeneration
This doctor dances in clubs the others don't
I was positively surprised by this episode. I thought visually it was a bit bland (idk aside from the church scenes it was just really bright all episode). I came in expecting it to be doodoo but it was good. I thought Ruby was so excited by the prospect of "time travel" because it means that she could go back in time and find out who her parents were? Maybe it was just the placement of the dialogue but I really gathered that from when she had her little monologue. I think it was a cool, creative story with the stuff about coincidences and the scene where the mum kept going on about them before the timeline cracked. I love the idea that the Doctor had no idea what he was talking about when explaining all the Goblin stuff to her on the ladder and he was kinda figuring it out at the same time. This and Wild Blue Yonder "make up" for the other 2 stinkers so the average quality is like in the middle. I am excited for May. The rapport between them felt like it came about a bit too quick but I guess you can only do so much in an hour runtime. Some cool cinematography I will say and no real "bad" vfx. And the song was a banger tbf.
The Tennant doctor is living in France
I feel like for a first doctor outing, it was ok. I'd say it definitely feels like a soft reset, where it's going for a different vibe than the previous series, the usual dr who DNA with it's own spin just as classic or the revival series are their own thing but still Dr Who.
But my strongest reaction to the show was when the Doctor used his sonic to unlock the doors of Ruby's house and walked in. You can't just do that anymore, Doctor! You'll get the cops called on you.
They definitely cooked. A really well executed jumping off point for the new era.
Right so let me try and explain this the best I can. 14 is not going to stay forever 15 said “I’m fine because you fixed yourself, we’re Timelords we’re doing rehab out of order” this means that 15 is from after 14 fixes himself and regenerates into 15 then in my mind at least (this is the best way I can describe it) he will be absorbed into 15 (I hope people understand what I’m trying to say as this is very difficult to write down😂)
Yeah I agree
Man I'm pumped for this era but all this foreshadowing has honestly got be exhausted already. It's just out here bugging me, like I get a instant sleepy reaction thinking about it, I feel far too convoluted by it all. But nah I'm sure it will all be brilliant probably. Maybe I'm just too engrossed in classic who at the moment, Jon Pertwee is just feeling like current era to me.
You see the vision brother🙌
I love Doctor Who & I think Ncuti was great but the direction of this episode was all over the place!! So much thrown at a wall & see what sticks. The pacing was like an express train!! The Goblins can time travel, why & how? They are impaled on a church spire & seemingly burst into flames and vanish, no reasoning & somehow Ruby survives & Anita Dobson breaking the fourth wall to probably come out as "The one who waits.."/red herring was too much. I can't lie for my enjoyment theres a lot of improvement needed, theres a great episode in here somewhere. I'm in shock 🤯
what did you get for christmas mr dwfan91
I got a rock
I think the episode was “too fantasy” for me (though I chalk that up to being a Xmas special). I did enjoy the overall setup and story, but some of the individual beats didn’t work for me.
I do really enjoy how completely free (or near free) of guilt Ncuti’s Doctor seems to be compared to most of the other New Who Doctors…it almost gives me Tom Baker vibes (more to come there).
I’d rate at 6.5/10 (the rating is skewed downward since it was a Xmas episode, those are mostly always a bit meh anyway though)
Early viewers clubbbb
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I went into this wanting to like this. As I've been a lapsed Dr Who fan for awhile. Mainly cause there have just been better shows to my tastes. Though I felt this was very weirdly pased and honestly the acting was pretty poor in my eyes. Outside of Ncuti who I do like. Millie was fine hopefully she grows into the role.
We got a few dangling mysteries but nothing really compelling.
Just little too RTD camp for my personal tastes but it's a Christmas Soecial so it gets a free pass.
Ruby stole the show along with her family... Should of been called doctor Ruby
@@magicplacebo2143 That does seem to be the majority opinion i've seen. I'm happy people are enjoying them but I just felt underwhelmed by them. Just not very compelling right now.
It kind of seems like Ncuti’s Doctor isn’t the type to have committed romantic relationships
It was a fun Christmas special but that was all it was really. The Goblins weren't great really, maybe as there was no real explanation. I hope they develop the characters quickly as both the Doctor and Ruby felt quite shallow to me and not much is there to engage with yet.
I feel like even if i had a percect and stable life i would still just run off with the doctor lol time and space travel?? Sign me up
The new sonic looks like a computer mouse and not really like a sonic screw driver more like the sonic lance I guess but as long as it’s not putting up shields it’ll be fine. I didn’t like the 13ths sonic at first but I grew on me I’m sure this one will to. Also can’t wait for the new season
Ruby was dropped off as a baby by Ruby. Same kind of shitty shoes. Check it out.
I personally though the episode was dope, love the vid bro!
I enjoyed it too
@@dwfan91- I'm honestly waiting on people to call out the "Woke" that is the doctor wearing a skirt lol
@@Umbra57 I thought it was a kilt💀
@@dwfan91-yes it was a kilt and he is actually Scottish so it made sense, looking forward to the new series
There’s too many mysteries? .. like seriously what kind of fan doesn’t like some mysteries in their dr who? so there’s quite a few, sure, but RTD is capable of managing these things we know that from his time as show-runner in the past.. i feel unfortunately that’s the issue really, you don’t seem to like RTD and by extension his past eras, that’s the vibe you give off.. now yes, if these mysteries never get revealed and we have loose ends and unresolved plot holes you will be right, but we ain’t there yet-give the show a chance to set the stage and see if it can pay it off later ..
the episode was pretty good overall even by your own admittance but you don’t like the bi-generation thing and the 60th specials so you are dragging your heels rather than going with the flow and giving it a chance to prove itself.. I suggest you go into the next series by dropping how you felt about the 60th specials and just take it for what it is
Some for sure but there must be almost 10 concurrently at this point. Surely I'm not crazy for wanting at least one resolution before going on to the next one. This episode added 3 on its own! Even you as an RTD superfan must admit that's a little excessive
We were watching the club scene where the doctor was dancing with the skirt/kilt and my dad walked in and asked „is the doctor gay now?“ lol
He didn‘t mean it negatively, he was just curious.