You can say that again, outside of meta in big pulls dh is bottom dps. Its been this way since start of season but yea devs think buffing frost dk is prio lol
DH isn’t bottom of the dps charts it’s laughable you think that they just aren’t messed with but good dhs are just middle of the pack not the worst or best just middle and DH mains can’t stand that
@@Starburstjuicy How is DH middle of the pack? Obviously undertuned and it’s not fun completing all 13’s on an offmeta character you put hundreds on hours in.
the fact that its better to bring aug over a third dps is insane for a 5 man dungeon, raids make sense since you dont give up much when you have 10+ dps already but it just goes to show how awfully balanced m+ and augs are when theyre better than an actual dps
People do realize aug evoker's damage shown on warcraftlogs is calculated WITH the damage amp they give to their team mates, right? And besides from that, for the majority of players having an aug in their m+ group is a detriment, not a benefit. Doesn't matter how good the aug is, if your dps players are not pumping like they should be or are straight up dying because of misplays. In those cases you definetly do feel the third dps missing. The biggest reason aug is so prevelant in high keys is because of how much survivability and utility they can add to your group, not because of it's damage.
@@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525 with the point being? getting longer queue times? other than that... other than that, barely anyone feels like playing 'the support class' like augmentation anyways.
Maybe just my opinion but the buff to frostfire and the use of sunking makes fire also alot better on lower keys around the 10s mark since u have cds more frequently which is a very welcomed trend I enjoyed quite abit this week.
man, How is it ok that MM hunter is under Augmentation in your DPS list? I'm playing it and it's not that bad. Although it could use some buffs. But since it's hunter, I'm not holding my breath.
Aug damage is not easily quantified. If MM and Aug are in the same group, MM will beat Aug 99%, unless the MM keeps dying(which also bring down Aug's damage). In high keys where Aug is brought, it enables the group to pull big and enh/dk just pump hard which will make Aug's damage much higher. Even devastation evoker falls under Aug nowadays... but I still play it to send a f you message to blizz
Bro I came back to wow to play my dh and now I just extremely depressed. Wtf are these balancing. We are sooo weak in all terms we cant even buff other casters like previous expansions 😢😢
It is just like other classes, i play ww my cousin is feral and we pull 2m+ overall consistenly in 10+ Keys and when we invite some frost dk he sits at 1.5
Enh just scales too well and has an op hero tree. Without any buffs I do awesome dps in keys. But with PI, aug, DH...numbers are stupid. Just flat nerfs wont balance this, they have to redesign some stuff. Otherwise enhancement will still be strong af...or end up being dogwater spec in the next season.
They literally just need to give Hpriest their S4 tier baseline. That way we aren’t forced into Oracle and can play Archon in M+. It would also solve the AoE healing issue, Archon Halo with s4 tier would allow for some decent sustain healing while also elevating the ST spam even more. If they did this, Hpriest STILL having the most dogshit utility in the game would be somewhat justifiable.
Frostfire frost got big. My i have 4 dps classes all sim 1.25-1.28m dps at 621-622 but 622 ff f sim 1.4m+ dps its nice but not op we have suffered since tww. Spellslinger is toxic shit
Not really, you will always have a strong and weaker class, but in the overall picture the game is quite balanced dps wise in m+ and even in RAID However I think they should buff super low ranking to BE closer to the top class, but I dont see why you gotta Nerf a top class so harshly to rend them average
Nerf seem only have affected Survival hunters in terms of rankings. Which is laughable given the spec is niche compared to the meta. Think Blizzard need’s to balls up and nerf the hell out of the current meta before season 2 starts so we see some diversity.
Survival being almost instantly nerfed as soon as they become the 2nd best DPS in raid is a meme, when Survival already faces so many challenges in being a spec that people actually wanna play.
The specc got two and a half reworks in one season. Because nobody plays it. Because it plays weird or is just weak. This rn is an exception which only proves his point.@@hugoR0392
@@hugoR0392 If we're going by mythicstats, it's not by much, but tbh, likely because most DK are running Frost or Blood, where as Hunter BM and MM have been nerfed to oblivion and Sur is still holding on around the top 10 (along with uh).
Moonkin has traditionally held a Meta spot over any shaman almost every season. Even when they weren’t s tier, they were almost always better than a shaman
@ativvafoxx5617 but u already are boomie is the dps u bring for the 3rd spot, it just have some competition against frost dk, frost mage and assa rogue right now. I don't know what u mean by meta but any top keys boomie is there.
you cant really nerf enhancement just with a numbers nerf. the spec scales too good and the hero tree is just too op. They will either have to redesign some talents, or keep flat nerfing talents which will make the spec pretty bad for the average player in the end.
@ let me gues, you play enhance, sounds like it 😂 just lower its damage, if something hits for 50.000 make it hit for 30.000 instead, not that hard, They do the same al the time to al different classes, needs and buffs are common, but this ”nerf” didnt even take it of the rank 1 spot, its still number 1 after nerf
Hey, you're allowed to have an opinion. That doesn't mean it's right though, atm there's double the amount of runs logged on enha vs assa. 100k more min dps, 300k more top.
Appreciate the research you do and the way you present it. Should have way more than 50k subs
Love your videos Izen never stop bro!
monk is going up from f tier do D awesome!
Hell yeah, from dog tier to doggo tier
This is quality content great to see something not clickbait
Looking forward to another weekly adjustment where the DH dev is once again absent.
At what lvl are u playing?
You can say that again, outside of meta in big pulls dh is bottom dps. Its been this way since start of season but yea devs think buffing frost dk is prio lol
Yea what’s up with that man? Don’t think I’ve seen anything for demon hunter. Never played the spec but I feel for u guys
DH isn’t bottom of the dps charts it’s laughable you think that they just aren’t messed with but good dhs are just middle of the pack not the worst or best just middle and DH mains can’t stand that
@@Starburstjuicy How is DH middle of the pack? Obviously undertuned and it’s not fun completing all 13’s on an offmeta character you put hundreds on hours in.
I wonder where the brewmaster dev is
Arcane fighting with aug for dps. Thanks blizz
the fact that its better to bring aug over a third dps is insane for a 5 man dungeon, raids make sense since you dont give up much when you have 10+ dps already but it just goes to show how awfully balanced m+ and augs are when theyre better than an actual dps
People do realize aug evoker's damage shown on warcraftlogs is calculated WITH the damage amp they give to their team mates, right?
And besides from that, for the majority of players having an aug in their m+ group is a detriment, not a benefit. Doesn't matter how good the aug is, if your dps players are not pumping like they should be or are straight up dying because of misplays. In those cases you definetly do feel the third dps missing.
The biggest reason aug is so prevelant in high keys is because of how much survivability and utility they can add to your group, not because of it's damage.
@@Nit0WasTaken well said
What if we change the formula from 5men dungeon to 6men?
@@whereisthesurvivalhunter9525 with the point being? getting longer queue times? other than that... other than that, barely anyone feels like playing 'the support class' like augmentation anyways.
Maybe just my opinion but the buff to frostfire and the use of sunking makes fire also alot better on lower keys around the 10s mark since u have cds more frequently which is a very welcomed trend I enjoyed quite abit this week.
Izen collecting bananas!
Fire returns.. we back :D
Whats that Sound in the Audio? Do you have a bird chirping or what is it lol
It's from a weak aura that gives a targeting alert
@@jasoncole739 7:45 and 7:51 8:03 and so on. Why would i hear weakaura sounds while he is showing a website
Maybe its the chair or something skeaking
@@Rushgarroththis lade me laugh so much :,D
man, How is it ok that MM hunter is under Augmentation in your DPS list? I'm playing it and it's not that bad. Although it could use some buffs. But since it's hunter, I'm not holding my breath.
Aug damage is not easily quantified. If MM and Aug are in the same group, MM will beat Aug 99%, unless the MM keeps dying(which also bring down Aug's damage). In high keys where Aug is brought, it enables the group to pull big and enh/dk just pump hard which will make Aug's damage much higher. Even devastation evoker falls under Aug nowadays... but I still play it to send a f you message to blizz
My DH crying green fel tears
Bro I came back to wow to play my dh and now I just extremely depressed. Wtf are these balancing. We are sooo weak in all terms we cant even buff other casters like previous expansions 😢😢
What site is that? The first one you showed
The 10% nerf to DK’s Breath was too much I think. I think even buffing it back up by 2% (net -8% change) would be fair.
Damn, havoc bottom ... sigh
5 days before PoE II :D
Subtlety just feels off, during cooldowns you feel like a god, then out of them you literally feel like your hitting with a wet noodle
Demon hunter. Omg not only 2 spec, tank and dps, but dps is absolute crap in terms of dps and dealing with game mechanics.
is feral actually playable now or is this more so for the people who refuse to play anything else to get accepted into pugs
It is just like other classes, i play ww my cousin is feral and we pull 2m+ overall consistenly in 10+ Keys and when we invite some frost dk he sits at 1.5
Buff protection warrior dps pls
Enh just scales too well and has an op hero tree. Without any buffs I do awesome dps in keys. But with PI, aug, DH...numbers are stupid. Just flat nerfs wont balance this, they have to redesign some stuff. Otherwise enhancement will still be strong af...or end up being dogwater spec in the next season.
They literally just need to give Hpriest their S4 tier baseline. That way we aren’t forced into Oracle and can play Archon in M+. It would also solve the AoE healing issue, Archon Halo with s4 tier would allow for some decent sustain healing while also elevating the ST spam even more. If they did this, Hpriest STILL having the most dogshit utility in the game would be somewhat justifiable.
Save dh plz
so evoker still useless for m+ unless your aug. awesome.
Frostfire frost got big. My i have 4 dps classes all sim 1.25-1.28m dps at 621-622 but 622 ff f sim 1.4m+ dps its nice but not op we have suffered since tww. Spellslinger is toxic shit
if you nerf best dps class that way it still stays best dps, you are doing something wrong...
Not really, you will always have a strong and weaker class, but in the overall picture the game is quite balanced dps wise in m+ and even in RAID
However I think they should buff super low ranking to BE closer to the top class, but I dont see why you gotta Nerf a top class so harshly to rend them average
Nerf seem only have affected Survival hunters in terms of rankings. Which is laughable given the spec is niche compared to the meta. Think Blizzard need’s to balls up and nerf the hell out of the current meta before season 2 starts so we see some diversity.
Survival being almost instantly nerfed as soon as they become the 2nd best DPS in raid is a meme, when Survival already faces so many challenges in being a spec that people actually wanna play.
How is it a niche? Check mythicstats, already more runs logged than uh dk & that's after nerf
I think some good specs to buff for season 2 are bear, spriest, ele, and holy pally.
The specc got two and a half reworks in one season. Because nobody plays it. Because it plays weird or is just weak.
This rn is an exception which only proves his point.@@hugoR0392
@@hugoR0392 If we're going by mythicstats, it's not by much, but tbh, likely because most DK are running Frost or Blood, where as Hunter BM and MM have been nerfed to oblivion and Sur is still holding on around the top 10 (along with uh).
Damn wished they let boomie be as meta as enh shammy just for a few weeks
Moonkin has traditionally held a Meta spot over any shaman almost every season. Even when they weren’t s tier, they were almost always better than a shaman
Boomie is very good in keys, and it's not bad either in the raid
Boomie is right below aug and enhance right now and has been there for a while now.
@@shiminsun1068 Yea just would be cool to be able to be actually meta for a week or two
@ativvafoxx5617 but u already are boomie is the dps u bring for the 3rd spot, it just have some competition against frost dk, frost mage and assa rogue right now. I don't know what u mean by meta but any top keys boomie is there.
Fire is cooking! Im happy, not where we once was….. but it will do for now
dont forget how long Fire mage was meta in DF..
@ yea it was so “Meta” after the re-work and immediately got nerfed the next day
retri doing too much free aoe
enhance was not nerfed :P i would not call what they do, nerfed :P
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They were though :P
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@ Yeah my point is just, nerfing something and its still the top, its not a nerf. just a minor balance 😂
you cant really nerf enhancement just with a numbers nerf. the spec scales too good and the hero tree is just too op. They will either have to redesign some talents, or keep flat nerfing talents which will make the spec pretty bad for the average player in the end.
@ let me gues, you play enhance, sounds like it 😂 just lower its damage, if something hits for 50.000 make it hit for 30.000 instead, not that hard, They do the same al the time to al different classes, needs and buffs are common, but this ”nerf” didnt even take it of the rank 1 spot, its still number 1 after nerf
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good job
I dont agree with ENH still being S. Assa Rogue is by far S all time high. FDK is lower A / high B tier
Hey, you're allowed to have an opinion. That doesn't mean it's right though, atm there's double the amount of runs logged on enha vs assa. 100k more min dps, 300k more top.
Its fine to have a favorite class, it doesnt mean its better than others literally by logged runs lol
no thanks blizzard,time to stop this game