There's a Monster Under the Bed of the BYD Shark!
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- Sandy, Paul, and Armin weigh in on the packaging of the rear motor and suspension under the bed of the BYD Shark.
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“We want to thank the Munro Live community for engaging a detailed engineering discussion about the high Voltage wiring of the BYD Shark. I apologize for my vague description of the issue that I was trying to highlight in the video. I pointed out the location of the charging cable and the cable feeding DC power back to the rear drive unit and I noted that there appears to be a ground loop associated with those cables and the location of the grounding strap on the rear inverter makes that ground loop worse. I failed to explain that a ground loop is formed in the shielding of the cables, not the cables themselves. The shielding on both cables appears to be connected to the case of the battery and at the inverter case (both ends connected). Also, the charging cable is connected to the battery case and at the on-board charger case. All the cases are grounded to the chassis such that the shielding forms a continuous loop. None of this is an issue if the current is strictly constant, but the DC current has ripple at the switching frequency (and the motor fundamental frequency) and that ripple can drive current in the shielding. I have seen cases where the current in this type of ground loop can have peaks in the dozens of Amps, not milliamps as some of the commentors have suggested.
Again, thanks to the Munro Live community for calling out things in our videos that don’t seem right.”
No no no, I don't want to continue educating you which obviously you don't have any clue about how the current flow thru the shielding, every motor body has induced voltage and it's not any manufacturer can control, and it's not what can't be mitigated, trying to explain yourself out of it while made more bs is not wise
Wow Munro, this backfired wildly! I was puzzled when watching the video and then I came to the comments. I have never seen you being so badly bashed! One of the best ad for BYD ever!
Chinese bots working overtime to defend their honor
@ryanwalters6184 no actually Australians and Mexicans. The ones that own these. You can't even buy them. So much freedom. 😂😂😂 Ben Shapiros little boy
The more they tried to bash it the better it looked. Their concern seemed to be is they could have cheapened it up by engineering it to the minimum and then get paid a big fee by a corporation.
There is no current loop. And if you can't see that, then don't claim to be experts. The RHS cables are only for AC/DC charging and the AC Power Points in the tub. The only large current carrying cables for the electric rear motor are on the LHS. Now show me an electric drive motor that doesn't have a ground strap attached....go on, I dare you. If you would find one, then that is the manufacturer that I never want to buy a car from. The ground strap is there as an extra backup in case the motor somehow ends up with loose bolts or any other mechanic/electric noise.
The ground strape is there to connect the housing of the motor to ground. Because the motor is hold in place via rubber bearing. So the housing would electrical isolated to ground and this is for a HV component not allowed because the Isolation montioring device measures the resistance between HV potential to ground
@@visionmodernclassics You are correct ! I just had a look at the service manual, which shows the rear electric motor being suspended by dampers. The voltage fed to the rear motor would fall under the "Low Voltage" definition and as such requires dedicated earthing or equal potential bonding under our and I am guessing most countries electrical safety standards. So, even ignoring any electrical function (such as monitoring) of this earthing strap, by law of most countries, it has to be there.
@@alf699It’s standardised HV auto design to have PE lines at every HV component. It’s just baffling me that they aren’t making that connection.
I will say the strap is unusual in that PE lines are almost always protected by insulation all the way up to the ring terminal to prevent corrosion
@ The strap has to be there to satisfy electrical safety rules. Anything above 50Vdc is potentially deadly. As the motor is electrically isolated from the chassis, there is a risk that the motor chassis could become alive and a person getting between the motor and chassis would then be electrocuted with a possible fatal outcome.
Ordered my shark 6 here in Australia, hoping for arrival by April. Cant WAIT to drive around in my over engineered tank of a Ute. Thanks for showing us how badass this thing is 😊
Over engineered means less efficient.
This video make me cancel my raptor and booked a shark.
Just the engines being hand grenades should be enough reason.
Sandy looks at things from a manufacturing cost perspective. As a consumer, I'll take the overbuilt frame any day over a paper-thin, weak piece of garbage that rusts away in 3 years.
I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY, too!
You can “overbuild” something in a clever way. This isn’t it.
@ulf5738 ok, you drive a Corolla, and I'll drive a tank. Who will survive?
@ clearly you’re not a genius and not an engineer
@ulf5738 there are rumours of byd releasing a larger size vehicle on this platform and that its possibly going to be a full size truck. Possibly had that in mind when developing this one. Not the most efficient approach for sure but as a customer I don't mind at all.
As a EE designer for over 40 years, I am having a hard time agreeing with your electrical "loop" radiation comments. I assume that the "pairs" of wires you see on each side is the actual "loop" for a given mode of operation. I do not think their is a "loop" around the outside of the entire vehicle when the electrical motor is providing power to the motor OR receiving power from the ICE/electrical generator. The current loop is only between the closely spaced pairs of wires in either case. Please correct me if I am wrong.
You are correct. The left pair is between battery and rear motor. The right pair is from charge port to battery. Only ONE pair would be carry active current at any given time, and there is no direct connection between motor and charge port.
I agree.
These guys have a serious problem with it and they know stuff
I am also shocked about those conclusions... I am starting to rethink their opinions about mechanical parts.
Honestly, this whole series looks like a take down, and they are all just looking for reasons to discredit this truck. If this was built by GM or Ford they would be applauding that there is finally a "real mans" truck on the market and explaining how they were able to deliver this overbuilt truck using cheap labor and parts, vertical integration, and advanced battery technology. A year ago they were praising far less well built Chinese vehicles.
Sandy, blink twice if you were told not to say positive things about this car and you’re just trying to tell us in a different way😂
Was provided illegally…. That means it was directly supplied by the ccp😂
This is awesome - Munro looks at components from a production/cost saving/weight saving/fit for purpose point of view - they basically said the frame was way over strong and complicated to produce making it exceedingly over-strength for purpose - awesome! - makes me want to buy a BYD Shark....
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,
I would buy one if I was on the market for a new car and I didn’t live in burger land lol
@@pablopicaro7649 are you a Chinese bot I see this same comment everywhere
These guys haven't a clue 😂 1 it's over engineered which is great, it makes it more rugged. 2 you can't use the charging cables whilst using the rear motor ffs 🤦🏽 and 3 that earth strap will be good in 20 years.
@@myeverythingworld8123 yes he is.
It's like watching cavemen first discover what fire is 😂
"Fire not like free lightning"
😂
Just a reminder. Monroe's only interest is showing car companies how to maximize profits while making something "good enough" to get through the warranty. Their focus is not consumer focused. So, yes, everyone here wants their truck to be as tuff as this thing is so it actually lasts a long time, but that's not how your maximize your profits.
Fortunately, BYD is more consumer focused. All that stuff that's "stupid" from Sandy's perspective are reasons why we will actually want to buy it over a POS Ford.
Exactly, I want a chassis that is 5mm thick. Some things do look stupid on this design, but looks like a properly built vehicle overall.
@@LambdaWave84 The charge port is on the right side of the truck as you can see the other hv cables run to the rear motor, therefore theres no possibility for interferances when one side is under load the other is off.
I think that will take a ute with a boot that has thick metal over one that is 0.5-1mm thick for situations were it gets filled with potatoes and other heavy stuff.
If one needs a car for offroading a SUV is probably better and for road people carrying a hatchback is superior, for on-road cargo like general goods, construction, etc, a van is better.
@@LambdaWave84 I'm not too surprised by this approach from BYD. If they're prioritizing time-to-market to fill product niches and demand before a trend goes away, it totally tracks with the Shark appearing to be put together in a hurry
ABYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
I am in my 60's, been a lifelong petrol head. It is amusing that these guys have such little insight into the world market. The Shark will excel in Australia, and will carry the flag as the transition to electrification occurs.
That it appears to be better built, or at least stronger than the equivalent hilux or ranger should be a source of shame for legacy auto makers.
Being phev, it makes for the ideal mum's taxi and weekend getaway.
That "Munro wouldn't do anything like this" is why the American auto industry will fade into insignificance
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,///
The Rivian shits all over this because its not an ICE and it is well designed
@@camsmith4047 ANY BEV with current battery technology is subpar at best. How do we know that because Toyota told us as much. When Toyota mass produces solid state battery the things will change but for now do not be a beta tester or a cult member.
@@dimdim3490 Toyota and ev should not be in the same sentence. As of today they are still churning out diesels that uses adblue. They are years behind in software to any ev makers let alone in battery tech. Even vw is ahead and look where they are. Ppl are buying on reputation unfortunately.
@@dimdim3490 You are completely wrong, and Toyota will go broke as it keeps losing market share because it thinks it knows better.
Battery technology is advancing fast, but as semi-trailers are showing they can travel long distances with BEV confifurations that match the market.
Now I want a BYD. I like overbuilt.
Go to RUclips ad search Chinese EV's and you'll have a real perspective,China is a propaganda bullshite machine...DONT BE FOOLED
The comment on potential electrical interfence and ground loops is total nonsense. The left side is rear motor to battery and the right side is charging port to battery, so there is NO loop created. The ground strap is because the motor is on insulated rubber bushings.
It's actually offensive how he's against a frame built very strong, rather than weak and disposable, that the frame is build for an actual comfortable passenger suspension rather than as cheap as possible.
And its really ignorant how they're supposing poor FEA and outside suppliers, when BYD obviously has good software developers and is well-known to be vertically integrated.
I agree with this. Only the right side or left is active at any given time. They are never active at the same time so I don't see how a loop is created.
As soon as you plug in to charge, or plug in a v2l adapter to discharge out of the charging port, the car cannot be started or driven. So the left side lines are not active when the right side is in use.
Good luck on resale😂
I agree.
It's stunning that their EE came up with this bizarre view. Sandy, I'm not surprised. For a moment I thought they were suggesting that it used a ring-mains circuit that's common in UK homes to equalise voltage drop among outlets.
@What's even more bizzare is how we can all see with our own eyes that no such loop exists. It's not like there's a redundant (and dangerous!) direct wire path from the charging port to the rear motor.
Besides, UK-style ring mains are a solution to a problem that no longer exists. I can't imagine that they use it in any new construction.
There is no problem with an overbuilt chassis. In Australia a lot of 4wd's are breaking chassis because of long distance driving over corrugated roads!.
wrong!!!!! they are breaking chassis because they are using the vehicle unproperly! manufacturers shows you how to load the vehicle lol!!!!!
@@carholic-sz3qvwell, evéry vehicle is unproperly used anyways😊
@@carholic-sz3qv Sounds like you are using the english language "unproperly". Hint, it is improperly.
Looks like BYD is building this to maximize owner experience, not to maximize profits
I'm glad the comments section is pretty unified in calling out this guys BS.
No Sandy.. It's not stupid. That is why I would buy it. It is better engineered than the donkey carts you manufacture in the US.
I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY, too!
angry wumao.
@@JigilJigil bigot
@@JigilJigil 🤩🤩I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY and FOREVER! Made for military in 1945...ill take 10! Monroe would have 7 to 10 shots first, get drunk and design the structure as cheap as possible! the AMERICAN WAY!
Munr0 is all about making things cheap cheap cheap, not making things longer lasting and more durable and less maintenance for end user.
Never heard an engineer bag out over engineering. Makes me want the Ute even more than before.
This Ute is a completely new design and footprint that is built as good as an armoured truck. I’ll take that.
I guess this might be a trick of language but to me over engineering means that something is made more advanced than it needs to be. In this case I feel it more question of over dimensioning. That is making it stronger than they mean is needed. Over engineering can make things mo complicated without providing a positive result, but over dimensions provide more strength than it otherwise would. This is something that can truly be a positive thing for the customer. And with trucks like this I can see how it can make it last longer in cold climate where the roads are salted to melt some of the ice and snow for months of the year. Modern cars are regularly built so "efficiently" and lightly that they tend to become rust buckets in only a few years and are often rusted to the degree that they become dangerous when they come close to being a decade old. This trucks chassis seems like it should be able to withstand that rust for many years beyond what "normal" modern cars and trucks does.
So I'm all for over dimensioning the chassis like this. Over engineering things is another thing entirely.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 These bean counters used the term "over engineered" in an attempt to criticize and berate the BYD. The appropriate term is "Superior Engineering."
Munro's business is to make the most optimal design options known to their customers, which is the OEM, not the final buyer. To the OEM, 3mm thick metal when 2 or 2.5 can be used can make a big difference and those cost savings are what the OEM is looking for. Overall, they did a good analysis, just that this vehicle may be targeting markets that abuse their trucks like African and Indian markets so they had to 'over-engineer' in order to grab some market from the incumbents like Toyota Hilux and Nissan Navara which are usually very well built.
BYD may improve on this design and we will see that newer models may not be as reliable when abused as compared to this one.
Just placed a reservation for my BYD Shark after watching this video, very impressed!
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,
I thought in China you don't need a reservation!
where are you that you can buy one?
You may want to watch some of the actual drive videos before you get too carries away. If youre looking a small truck to run around in an haul some stuff from time to time. Youre set. The Shark will be perfect. But if you want to load it right up and expect it to do that year after year, not so much
Yeah, I've seen a few on the roads locally here in NZ, it's a great looking ute.
Seriously guys, overengineered on a gen 1 product. And it still comes in at $37,000 USD in Australia. Whats the actual problem here? Also, it is fast as hell. You never corrected that from your fist video. 0 to 100 kph in 5.6 seconds.
when it comes to speed compare it to a buggati. when it comes to luxury compare it to a rolls. when it comes to handeling compare it to a 911 gt3, when it comes to how much it can carry compare it to an 18 wheeler
The only downside I can think of, is weight, and that it could be a tad cheaper. But that its not that bad, they act like its the worst
@@alejandrowolfnIt’s already heavily subsidised by the government and cheaper labour, there’s no way you could overengineer this hard in western countries and still make a profit.
I will say though that this entire teardown was a shitshow of errors
@@christopherchen6170
@@gtjack9If cheaper labor implies the use of robots, then yes, they can operate 7x24 shifts year-round. It's 2025, and I find it hard to believe that anyone would still assume companies like BYD rely heavily on human labor and pay them wages comparable to those of small, low-cost businesses like sweet shops, it's China of 2025, not 1895.
It's a beast of a truck. The best PHEV out there.
@Munro: You should avoid talking about electrical things, you have no clue what you are talking about, it's very obvious to this EE! There is no "Loop", Battery power down one side and DCFC on the other. The battery power has 2 conductors right next to each other. All you have to do is glance at this to figure it out! Also: Loop inductance and EMI grounding are worlds apart here. If you are going to talk about Electrical topics, please hire a REAL EE!
BYD is building their brand image for international market with this model for rough terrains. They are taking on Toyota for reliability and cannot afford any bad image with broken chassis. So what matters to them is how does it compare to a Land Cruiser and not how cheap they can build like a Ford or Ram that NOBODY buys outside of the US
Are they for real? Who complains about being over built and using thicker metal than usual?
Dude the one side of the “ loop “ you’re claiming is the charging cable. Think and check things before making assumptions. This video was a mess with little evidence
They never saw anything like byd shark. Their experience didn't work at all.
I was looking for this comment, It was the first thing i noticed after he said that. Lost his credibility. Sounds like he's just talking big buzz word generic problems the industry has seen even though it's probably not a problem on that truck.
@@kylemitlyng6524 He is paid by Tesla to destroy BYD
Most of it was the ports in the bed.
Many people are gonna lose their jobs because they now know nothing about these new cars
So much fun to watch these guys guess their way to the worst conclusions possible using superlatively negative adjectives all the while repeating how they don't know and have done zero research or consultation.
Real Americans!
I watched him on the Rivian video, some good points but then went on a weird rant about needing to burn more oil
It is not a tesla so it is not good
If you shut up and listen, you might learn something. Lol. Put the ego down
All the simpletons, who is immediately assume overdone means good. Lol
A pickup with the frame of a real truck. That's okay with me
The more Sandy criticizes this truck, the more I'm tempted to buy one.
I think Sandy just does NOT understand the use case for these vehicles. Utes in most parts of the world are regularly DOUBLE over loaded.. pushed WAY WAY past what should be done. BYD is not stupid.. They DO actually know the customer base and what this vehicle will end up being used for.. So they overbuilt it. If BYD can build it like this and make money.. that is good for them, and good for the consumer too. and when the vehicle gains a reputation for durability and ability to take abuse it will only be good for BYD.
All the reports and videos I have seen of people in Australia using this, and taking it offroad.. are VERY positive.
every "cost saving" measure you guys pointed out is another reason why I want to buy this things. it's literally built like a tank, paraphrasing Sandy's words from the last video. Why would anyone buy a Ford Ranger, if given the choice between the two?
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,
I agree. I'm glad Sandy Munro had nothing to do with the design of the Shark.
@@pablopicaro7649let's see how it goes in Australia it could not even drive up a 33% slope
@@myeverythingworld8123 33%? If they setup correctly, it can climb up 45 degrees, that is 100%. Car expert dosen't know the setup
actually some my friends still would buy Ranger because they feel American heart in them, well, my friends are those 300k high earners... so price is the least to consider, they want the image.
Just picked mine up yesterday in Melbourne, Australia. First ute (or pickup) I've owned. Very exciting vehicle compared to the rest of the market.
😁 picking up on Saturday.
I am lucky to get first one in Sydney in my area , and does get a lot of stare on road i think it will be top 5 best selling ute in Australia .
@@andyh5666 good luck on resale
@@myeverythingworld8123 That's the last thing on my mind, and is anyway countered by the fact that this vehicle is inexpensive to purchase - AUD$60k on road (USD $37k) is insane value imo.
Congratulations!
It's to try and take over the Australian and African dual cab market. Its not an american truck, its a recreational off road 4x4 and they are trying to beat the hylux and ranger for being the toughest vehical. This was essentially a great add for byd showing that there ute is way over engineered giving customers the confidence to buy Chinese. This ute will change the dual cab market and all other manufacturers will have to make similar plug in hybrids.
This did not feel like a professional, unbiased analysis to me. Too much idle speculation, which doesn't really add much value.
This review was obviously biased and intentionally attempted to discredit this truck.
American pickup protection media
@@bravomike09 Couldn't agree more. All the shark videos are the same
Maybe they are trying to secure a federal contract from the Mango Mussolini?
These clowns don't know how bad they make Americans look, it's the same sh*t as what's brought down Boeing
Why would you be criticizing a 4x4 truck designed for on AND offroad use for having an overbuilt chassis? Maybe you should be looking at some of the USA made pick-ups that snap in half.
I think the “overbuilt” comments are more to imply “overweight” - this truck weighs 1700lbs more than a ranger, not all of that extra heft is hybrid powertrain components. Skillfully implemented minimalism/ the engineering art of “just enough” is what made 90’s Japanese vehicles so efficient, good to drive, reliable. 5700lbs is going to put a lot of stress and strain on suspension components, tires, etc. and the overall durability will suffer as a result regardless of how chonky the frame is. That being said the concept and layout of this vehicle look great, agreed Munro is being overly critical of a vehicle that generally looks to have the right ideas.
@@Nathan0A I like more steel for a cheap price
@@AprezaRenaldy More steel is less range and more times you replace tires and suspension.
@@Nathan0A Thank you!
@@clementoseitano7568 is hybrid not ev. Also it's actually back capacity is reduced to 720 kg
You know, the more I watch this series, the more I am convinced that this is a politically motivated take down to try to discourage people from buying BYD. Which is odd, because before the political shift in the US, these guys were all gungho on Chinese cars and were celebrating dramatically less well-built vehicles. Also very odd is that they claim to have gotten this vehicle "illegally" but they are not afraid to make a video series on it. So who procured this vehicle for them? They know the whole "current loop" thing was nonsense, but now they claim to have found more evidence. If it is a take down, its not a very good one because they have just highlighted that BYD is building exactly the kind of truck the US and Japanese manufacturers refuse to build, at a great value to the customer.
And BTW, for any Americans who dont know who BYD is... this is the worlds largest EV manufacturer, the largest manufacturer of EV commerical vehicles, the worlds largest battery manufacturer, and they have developed the worlds safest EV battery; the BYD blade. They have been building cars just as long as Telsa, but in much larger numbers, and certainly know what they are doing.
Sorry I want to bring a small correction here , but CATL is the largest battery company in the world. Between them they add up to 60% of world production
@@bobc5730 Thank you! Yes, second largest! But that's still a ton of batteries and a ton of expertise. This isn't some Jonny-come-lately like many of the commenters are making them out to be.
@@patreekotime4578 ummm. actually that would be multiples of thousa ds of tonnes
They are the world's biggest electric bus manufacturer by a long shot, so they know how to make a large electric vehicle, unlike these fools who are just embarrassing themselves
@@johnwayne8475 Yes, I suspect alot of this "overbuilt" quality is things they learned building buses and deploying those buses all over the world.
Everything you have shown and discussed in this series of videos - thanks, by the way - have added to my generally favorable impressions of this vehicle, and actually made me even more impressed with it. So much so, that I have booked a test drive for this weekend. Seriously considering making this my next ute!
Ironic given how much hate they’re giving it, but all their points against the design all benefit the consumer
@ exactly!
Those are some of the most perfect welds I've seen on a frame coming from any manufacturer. They appear completely uniform. Forensic analysis would have to be used to determine otherwise, but usually defective welds are very visible.
What do you mean every single on of them goes from fat to thin and is touched up in the corners, they're the worst welds ive ever seen and look like an apprentice did it, not a robot.
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
@Dexter_Solid Seems like you're as full of shit as they are
@@Dexter_Solid apparently BYD owns the largest weld robotic arms out there and you have no clue do you?
Let's me explain that strap: it is not a loop, instead it is shield earth, the car does not loose any energy. I have the same kind of earth strap on my Diesel powered 4wd attached to ECU and any electronic devices cover to reduce interference. It is especially important for digital electrical signal to be covered/ shield. The strap looks big, but the current going through is very little or tiny. but you need that size to make sure all voltage differentiation between each devices is near zero.
Understand that the relieving the voltage differentiation is exactly an energy loss. How much of a loss is the question worth considering. I wager it's absolutely tiny compared to things like rolling resistance and coefficient of drag.
@@saccaedMissed the point dude.
This is an EV, you must have a potential equalisation line to meet the minimum industry standards, especially as the rear inverter and motors are not bolted to the chassis, they’re mounted on rubber bushings. So in the case of HV isolation loss this strap needs to take the full current of the HV system, not for long mind, but it needs to be there
Why not think that it is a standardized part of the brand that they use in all their vehicles for all possible uses and conditions? the scale would compensate for one or two of these overstated uses.
No wonder the US fell behind. jesus, you guys are stuck in the 70s 🤣
Y'all make me want to buy it more, thank you!
3 guys in a garage know better than top engineers in byd, no wander USA car so suck this day😂
😂😂
They evaluating the BYD Shark like an American pavement princess that never carries more than a flat of water or load of groceries.
😅😅
This is how you make a real truck not the American toys
Pavement princesses you mean. Actual american toys are typically a fully welded tube frame chassis. There is no truck manufacturer ever that has made a product to withstand jim bob and a 24 pack of bud light full sending it up a mud mountain...
I would like to know if these guys were partly responsible for the Tesla Cybertruck? You know the one that looks like a kitchen appliance and can’t go through snow nor can it climb a hill?
Overbuilt works better. If the frame was poorly built, you would have said it's just cheap and poor quality Chinese crap. It's a good Trojan horse 😂
And this is why made in China will become the new made in Japan. People used to cringe at the idea of buying made in china and now people will pay a premium to buy made in China. Remember the 1960s Land Rover had a 98% market share of the off road vehicle market when Toyota introduced the Toyota Land Cruiser to the world within five years it had 95% of the market share while land Rover dropped to 3% in a matter of five years. The only way to compete in third countries has to have an over built car for many people. It is a lifetime investment and they expect it to last a lifetime.
Toyota Hilux pickups were THE standard across Africa. Guess what things are like today.
100% agree!
Your so called channel is overrated, and your so called 35 years of experience is so so outdated clearly.
Thanks Sandy and associates for the 3 videos. I have already placed an order for one, and your videos have shown that it has been over engineered, which suits me just fine. People buy ex army trucks because they are built over strong, are hard to break, and last for years.
To any BYD engineers, please leave it as is.
I believe that BYD are building a range of camper vans to possibly larger mobile homes. This would be an excellent frame for one of the camper vans. I would assume that the frame could also be used for a delivery van.
There was only a brief discussion about the motor in an earlier video. I am not aware of the reliability of a BYD petrol engine, and hope it is over engineered like the rest of the vehicle. A more involved discussion on the motor would have been appreciated, aside from saying it was bigger than needed, again to me that is a plus.
Could there be a diesel variant one day? But would that be suitable as the current motor is used to drive the front wheels over 70 kmh?
Lots of excellent comments from a lot of people from the 3 videos. Overall they believe the over engineering is a positive.
A lot of good comments here, especially regarding calling out the 'loop' fantasy. Sandy showed us the clear-as-day charge port connected to the right side DC cables. I would not be second-guessing BYD's engineering expertise with only a glance at this design. The overly-detailed gossiping on the completely-normal ground braid on the rear drive unit was quite bizarre. That said, I still enjoy these videos!
Why are you talking about EE when you clearly have no idea about the fundamentals. How did this get uploaded?
Stupidly overbuilt truck? Sign me up. Like my old brick Volvos - runs for millions of miles.
I worked on those old volvos. Really poorly designed. Rubber everywhere that deteriotes. Smog producers. Easily rust out. Not beat as well built as 60s dodge and Plymouth cars.
@@hoffinger Volvo was the first brand to include Catalytic Converter and O2 sensors in the 70s. I don't think we are talking about the same generation cars. A Redblock Volvo Engine is overbuilt on everything. in stock you can boost those things to 500-600HP, from a 2.3L 4 Cylinder in the 80s.
"This vehicle is too overbuilt and the materials aren't value engineered enough!"
The fact Sandy hates this makes me think it might be good. Sandy loves Tesla which are horrible to maintain after a few years and horrific to repair. Here in Australia I'll definitely take a thick frame on a large heavy truck. Maybe he's not aware but American built cars are nearly always low quality by global standards. I'll be checking out the BYD dealer today.
indeed. Tesla giga casting is good for Tesla. is you have an accident it is impossible to repair the casted parts
BYD is doing what the Japanese car companies done in the 60s / 70s onwards, beating domestic manufacturers at their own game. Im not usually a fan of Chinese stuff but this truck looks like they mean business.
An overbuilt frame for a truck seems appropriate to me, it doesn't have the aerodynamic profile to be efficient in any case.
It's "immature" to think that your credibility will remain intact with the public by attempting to demean what is clearly a superior engineering design.
Now, if your target audience is responsible for cutting corners in safety and you're trying to give them justification for continuing to do so, then that makes you a "bean counter." "Bean Counter" someone who justifies an inferior product because it's cheaper to pay out law suits for injuries or deaths to consumers than it is to incorporate superior engineering.
The only problem is BYD can provide superior engineering for low costs. Probably because their executives, boards of directors, top shareholders of the company, and others are NOT siphoning billions of dollars of profits.to buy super yachts, mansions/bunkers, and fund other opulent life style choices.
Bean counters ALWAYS cut corners for profits and you guys are clearly bean counters.
I agree.
Solid platform I wish USA was putting out superior products like this at this price point.
Instead of masses of expensive executives, lawyers, MBAs, and accountants like GM and Ford, BYD staffs with high skill engineers and technicians. This is typical of China, preferring engineers over lawyers. And people wonder why the Chinese are more productive.
I'm fairly sure they know a little bit more than you buddy
@ Maybe, but it's not apparent here and they're obviously full of shit.
@ Exactly. It's one thing to say 'this frame is clearly overbuilt compared to the noodle-framed Ranger or the rust-prone Taco', but it's quite another to invent a problem that doesn't even exist, and is easily debunked by cursory inspection.
There is no loop. One pair cables is for charging, the other pair is for the rear motor. You would need a long extension cord and then bypass the safety lockouts to have power on both pairs at the same time. If you are worried about inductance you separate the conductors. Not to mention this mostly DC a pair of small cables running AC for the onboard charger.
fr, like so much speculation and bro-engineering tbh. I was skeptical right when they said high voltage "DC" power lines causing the noise. Then they talk about "overdoing" the frame, like bruh and? You have C-Channel members welded inside the regular frame members, instead of praising their welding capabilities they decide to question why someone would aim for overbuilding a frame -- buddy its a truck.
🤩🤩I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY and FOREVER! Made for military in 1945...ill take 10! Monroe would have 7 to 10 shots first, turn all red, and design the structure as cheap as possible!
@@seymorefact4333 That mention about getting rid of steel gas tanks in lieu of plastic tanks, summed it up for me.
We appreciate your contribution, but in this case it's not quite accurate. Yes, there is a loop. It's in the shielding around the cables. That is called a ground loop as I mentioned in the video. We are well aware of the use of the cables for charging and operation. The DC current during operation has a significant ripple component at the switching frequency that produces a time varying flux that links the ground loop and drives current in the shielding.
@arthercasillas2755 thus... why American vehicles are junk. Decades of engineers that think like munroe!
This Shark is made to last for a long time. The Chinese think long term. The new Hilux.
They say it's bad because it looks like it was built for the military?
Overbuilt works for me.
I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY, too!
They meant junk.
@@JigilJigil 🤩🤩I take OVERBUILT ALL DAY and FOREVER! Made for military in 1945...ill take 10! Monroe would have 7 to 10 shots first, get drunk and design the structure as cheap as possible! the AMERICAN WAY!
@@JigilJigil salty racist tears
@@seymorefact4333congratulations you know how to copy paste.
I'll buy a BYD shark if the U.S. would dare allow it.
Munro is in the business of maximizing a manufacturer's profit, not maximizing consumer value.
More profit for the Shareholders
@@AprezaRenaldy bingo
Negatively comparing this design to an American truck is like comparing caviar to fish roe. Just because Ford did it this way does not make it the benchmark.
Exactly. This is a global work truck, not an American pavement princess.
Thanks Munroe, you did BYD a world of good. Now for sure every one wants one of these over engineered BYD Sharks !
The Welsh language already made byd means world.
When they say the frame is overbuilt I would feel better than underbuilt like the Cybertruck tow hitch. Saving weight of course is good though for an EV.
The gentleman in the green shirt does a nice job of presenting what he sees in the vehicle. I'm not sure why Sandy thinks it's wise to disparage the manufacturer by calling it "immature". BYD is becoming a major player in other countries while Sandy's beloved Tesla sales are decreasing. Will BYD improve? Probably.
Tesla is a large customer of both BYD and CATL. If not for them, Tesla would not be a relevant player amongst the people that prefer an LFP battery for a reason. From a strategy standpoint BYD pursued a different battery approach because they understood the world needs to electrify everything and a fast unloading NCM brings too many compromises. Most of the world's heavy equipment buses, trams, farm equipment and all energy storage use LFP batteries. The changeover to electric powered farm equipment will prove to be very damaging to a whole array of American manufacturers of GREAT EQUIPMENT like Deere. BYD is strategic and revolutionary. BYD has nearly 1M employees and 120K engineers. They are vertically integrated and are now making more cars than Ford Motor Company. The are estimating their car sales to grow from 4M to near 5.5M JUST THIS YEAR. 1.5M growth is about 75% of what Tesla makes in a year. BYD is a systemic challenge to Tesla. I assume it is greatly due to great vertical integration and engineering. The "over-engineered" frame, for me, explains why most of the 3rd world uses Toyota Hiluxes for over 55 years.
@@mrkjmsdln Excellent breakdown of BYD. With BYD's growth and worldwide vehicle sales potential (except for Musk blocking sales in the US), it makes no sense for Sandy to insult BYD. Tempt them with some cost saving ideas but don't call them immature.
You missed the big problem with the green-shirt guy. The wedding ring.
Sandy complaining about this truck being over built makes me wanna buy it 😂 to bad it’s not allowed here in Murica land of the free lol
US still cant build something as low cost or as good "and the Shark is only at its early phase .. seems so much room for future designs that will make the vehicle even better !
BYD are in the process of establishing themselves and building a long term reputation. This truck is going to make BYD trucks synonymous with toughness and longevity. Perhaps later models will not be so ‘agricultural’ but the seeds will already have been sown by then. It is likely that many elements of the frame arrangement have been cut and pasted from other designs for ease of manufacture. I am not keen on hybrids but no doubt BYD will have an all-electric version of this vehicle before too long.
over build to gain market prevent failure, and increase vlaue to customer.
Overbuilt but still cost less. Thank you very much BYD.
And don't change it if the price is still affordable.
Rather have over engineered product than those cost savings techniques by manufacturers.
This, as a pick up, is great then. Especially the price.
That frame is common to BYD sub brands wagons producing a lot more power than the shark.
BYD makes busses and large trucks... that answers why it is overbuilt. They are most likely using the same engineers for both divisions.
Really hope that BYD brings Shark to Europe, it's just perfect with it's hybrid system.
This is what Toyota should be doing with Hilux
These guys are real goofballs!
I'm worried byd watches this and decides to take some of his advice to save costs. 😂
BYD probably will watch it, and they'll laugh at how obviously ignorant Sandy is. They'll trust their internal engineering team and customer feedback over some guy who only exists to make product cheaper and worse.
BYDs engineering team will have a good laugh, that is all
These guys have missed it so much
These guys have missed it so much
They probably will. Eventually.
Every single thing we absolutely hate about modern automobiles in relation to repairability, longevity, quick replacements, part swaps, under engineering everything to save a penni - is because of people like munro and associates.
This is just embarrassing for Munro, All you are doing is loosing respect talking about shit they do not understand well enough.
cope wumao.
@@JigilJigil racist bigot
@@JigilJigil Had to think for a moment what wumao meant, I an't chinese dude.
You are the one doing "cope"
You not liking something as it does not allign with you cult does not make it wrong.
Its a truck, not a city car.
ANYONE seen videos from India, Africa, Asia where trucks are insanely overloaded 4m high with huge loads? Perhaps that is the target market! NOT Lot Crawler Urban Cowboys and Pretty Boy Dance haul trucks in the West.,,,
@@pablopicaro7649 That is the market, and Sandy does not understand that. It is not an exclusively western market truck.
I would not get Sandy to engineer anything where the dynamics load were not within a narrow band.
Amaroks are overbuilt .
Unbelivably strong .
If I go for a Shark 6 , would be a nice touch knowing its up there with my Rok 👍🏻
To speek up as an engieer for 35 years in aerospace industry you can't entrust all design parameters to FEA, many singular geometric features can't be reliably modeled with FEA, you just have to physically reinforce them to achieve X times of safety margin.
margarine
@snorttroll4379 thanks
@ you are welcome to the margarine. I smear some on my welds often to make more margarine in tye design
While US reviewers drive cars for one week and make videos, Chinese reviewers do teardown and measure metal thickness and do crash tests to compare safety. It is just different in value.
The grounding wire's function is to equalize the potential of the ground loop, avoiding stray currents between the electronic devices using the ground as reference for data processing, which are the result of the device losses/inefficiencies, nothing at this stage can mitigate those.
The reinforcement of the structure is an intelligent approach, not only allows for new technologies(heavier batteries) in such an infant industry but also promote modularity of the chassis manufacturing process for different size/types of cars saving a lot more than just removing steel.
Should have commented on the individual segments of the system, their ratios and how they operate within.
Such a solid chassis that I can see the vehicle upgraded, repurposed and over-built well into the future. Much more adaptable than the press-formed tin-foil that utes (trucks) are these days. It's designed for modding.
The loop thing is silly. Ground straps are very common. And a heavy steel frame is good for a truck. In normal use it would flex. Much better than a cast aluminium piece that would easily break (Tesla).
If it weighs 2,800 kg empty you want the frame thick and strong .
BYD is thinking outside the box - looks like it will payoff
Thanks for the Marvelous review.........however many fans are noticing ..........It is all about making things cheap cheap cheap, not making things longer lasting and more durable and less maintenance for end user.
Munro is in the business of maximizing a manufacturer's profit, not maximizing consumer value.
I don't agree things said about ground loop and cabling. Yes, it is grounded because of noise and also because the assembly is on rubber mounts which don't conduct electricity. There is no loop current because of this and no efficiency loss. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The more your review byd shark the more i want one so bad
14:40 They have commercial bus experience. It reflects in the design.
I think Madrid city has many BYD buses. I think they made frames to build your own stuff and complete one´s. So they know a thing or two about heavy transport.
@ BYD is one of the biggest manufacturer of electric busses. They've been building them for many years, and are very good.
I bet if they dismantled a 92 Toyota truck they would say it was overbuilt and they could have made it much cheaper. Now 30 years later those old overbuilt trucks are still on the road while ones built 10 years ago are rusting or cracking frames due to being more cost effective.
Sandy is a Tesla fanboi and is showing it here. Only trying to come up with negatives, he's so full of shit. It's built too strong. Yeah, that really puts me off, lol.
Weird take on the chassis, when you watch a crash test and see that the battery is completely protected maybe it'd make more sense.
I’m confused with all the talk about the high current cables being a problem. One side is to rear drive motor and the other side is charge cables. You’d have to think the 2 sets of cables would never be used at the same time? How does this affect the vehicle?
Correct. I can't think of any EV that allows one to run the motor while plugged in to a charger. Munro is just exposing his ignorance.
Not very American. LOL Spat my coffee out as I heard that.laughed so hard.
The USA are not the best engineers.
The USA make stuff that often only just does the job.
USA designed products have become lowest cost design and implemented Lean manufacturing principles but are no longer built to last.
This rear end independent suspension may be over engineered for a light duty truck - But you assume this is not a dual use chassis.
It is also Euro NCAP crash tested and I understand performed well in all crash tests.
The Robot MIG welding is cheap and automated to give more repeatable higher quality weld integrity.
A huge improvement over most Chinese welded parts from 10 years ago.
I didn't know overengineered was a problem for the consumer, yes, if you want planned obsolescence for the manufacturer it's a great place to start. Maybe Munro's existing customers are worried by the new kid on the block?
Watched your multiple Shark videos and feel sorry for US auto industry for listening such BS.
WHY do you think Ford and Chevy and all american auto manufacturers are in the situation they are in lol. They are known world wide for having the shittiest build quality and longevity. Built to break after warranty. 100000% munro had his hands in their pockets for "decades". (his words not mine)
So they are dissing a structurally sound and overdone structure?.....no surprise American cars fall apart.
It's Constructive Criticism.
It's what they Do.
Breaking down and assess the Product. And how it all comes together. BYD simply over engineering to insure that pass all market Saftey standards.
+ give reassurance to new customers that is build to last. Minus the Electrical Side 😑🤣 .
It's fair to say BYD has come kicking into this market and alot of the Western Car manufacturers are worried since BYD can Undercut them on most if not all of the lowest priced models mod priced models and getting your band for your buck.
If you design something properly, you can reduce weight and get the same structural strength. You could build a desk from steel girders and steel plate... that doesn't make it better if you are putting a monitor and keyboard on it. American cars fail probably because of the Chinese parts being used.
Angry Wumao, who is also clueless about engineering.
@@GetOffMyyLawnlol how ridiculous so American companies care more about profit than product? Hah ok
@@JigilJigil bigot who is also racist
He clearly didn't do proper research on the HV cables.
This is nonsense. Munro says it uses more material and is not optimized for assembly during construction. BUT IT COSTS FAR LESS THAN THE COMPETITION. SO from a consumer standpoint, who the h%&& cares? In fact, many have pointed out, thicker metal in many places probably correlates to more robustness and longer life. The only CONCEIVABLE downside would be unnecessary weight might reduce range/efficiency, or put strain on the suspension. But the efficiency numbers, as reported, are pretty good. ANd they dont really look at the suspension much.