The Toledo War: When Ohio and Michigan Went to War and Wisconsin Lost
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- Опубликовано: 26 июн 2024
- In 1835, a dispute based on a faulty map brought the State of Ohio and the Michigan Territory to the brink of war. The "Toledo War" represented the stresses of a growing nation, and rewrote the boundaries of three states. It is history that deserves to be remembered.
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I was born and raised in Toledo. I heard that Ohio lost this dispute, and had to keep Toledo.
I grew up in Michigan. I heard that Ohio lost this dispute, and had to keep Toledo. LOL
Ohio won the dispute and got to keep part of Michigan. 😉
@@theannoyedmrfloyd3998 Yup, you're a winner. LOLOLOL
As a former Toledoan, I am aware Michigan won, by not having to accept Toledo. I am also aware Michigan consists of THREE peninsulas: Upper, Lower, and the two mile square Lost Peninsula, accessable only through Ohio or the water.
Some days, I miss home. 😎
Careful, in round 2 they will give Ohio Detroit.
A government surveyor knocked on a Minnesota farmer's door and informed him that a surveying error was discovered. His farm was actually in Wisconsin. The farmer replied "Thank God, I don't know if I could take another Minnesota winter.
😂😂😂
HAHAHAHAHA
GOOD ONE
Keep 'er Movin'
Now that is old school funny thank you
"Ohio and Michigan went to war over a 50 year old map, and Wisconsin lost."
That has to be the most amazing random thing I've ever heard
Makes more sense than going to war annually over an oblong-shaped pigskin. I guess Wisconsin is sometimes impacted by that war too. 😉
Ask most "Yoopers" who their favorite NFL Football team is and I bet they say THE Green Bay Packers...
#JustSaying
@@richardkimpel6142 I think the Steelers are Detroit's favorite.
@@afx935 LOL
@Treg Burk some of us do. Mind you I prefer the artistic footwork & creativity of Ginga vs. the boring kick the ball back and forth in the air of European style "football"...
Long Live O Jogo Bonito
The war continues to this day every November between The Ohio State Buckeyes, and the Michigan Wolverines.
Go Bucks :)
Michigan continues to lose.
Only in the eyes of that state down south. Our true rival is MSU. We don't give a hoot about that school down on the farm.
P.S. Why did you follow the lead of MSU to become a land-grant college?
And in the eyes of the rest of the country, you both lose!
Not really a war anymore, it’s a slaughter every year.
The Upper Peninsula is among the most amazing and beautiful place in the United States. Lucky the residents of this lovely land.
Lucky until their first winter...
And The Bridge makes it accessible.
Say Ya to da UP Eh.
AND they still make the best pasties!
The 51 st state, eh!!
This story is a bit more personal in our family lore. My 3Great Grandfather was deeded 120 acres in the Toledo Strip, as compensation for his father being disabled at the Battle of The Thames. They were originally Michigan residents, having lost their homes when Frenchtown, present day Monroe, was burned forcing the family to flee in an open boat out on Lake Erie. There was some anxiety whether my Grandfather would be able to keep his farm if the Ohio claim was upheld. As it turned out, his deed was honored and he lived there raising 18 children, until passing away in 1882.
Very Cool 😎 family History Sir!
For Christ’s sake. How many wife’s did it take him to sire eighteen offspring. My paternal grandfather was one of six kids. The fourth died of pneumonia as the doctor was at the house delivering the sixth one. Then, not to miss out on the attention, the fifth one died a month later. It was a time for the hardy ones.
@@robertqueberg4612 My grandfather was one of 12 kids. An uncle was one of 13.
@@webbtrekker534 ,
In those days, it was expected to lose one or more to disease, or accidents. There is a tall stone in an old local cemetery next to our farm, which shows the deaths of four children, in a period of 4-5 months. Kids were a necessity to the operation of a successful farm, with the amount of physical work to be done. It was a mixed bag of both good and bad. Keep your family safe.
@@robertqueberg4612 More likely the lack of birth control. Grand father born 1881, uncle born 1899.
At 1:27 I say the Mississippi was the eastern boundary of the Northwest Territory. Of course, it was the Western Boundary. I am sorry for the error.
along with perrysburg not perrysville
Just don't talk smack about me not knowing left from right and we good.
With the turn of a phrase THG attempts to alter geographic fact. Lol.
I'm surprised both states didn't try to carve up the young Indiana.
I still hear static in your audio, just another heads up.... I am guessing others are as well.
@@willoughby1888 Some very slight audio compression artefacts, but not what I would call static as such (listen to the audio, not the silences in between as you would for normal "static"). I've heard much worse on RUclips - stuff that actually does sound like static. Part of the problem is that once you've uploaded a video, as a creator you don't have much control over what RUclips does with it technically. While the creator may wish that the video and audio is transmitted exactly as it was uploaded, RUclips are much more interested in maximising the use of storage and processes the upload accordingly. There's not a lot THG can do about it I believe.
Thank you for this one! As a Michigander the "Toledo War" has always been one of my favorite little snippets of forgotten history so I'm happy to see it getting some attention.
Never heard that before. I always thought it was Michiganian, or possibly Michigeese. ;-)
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681,
The Libs tried to change it to Michiganians but us Michiganders weren’t havin’ it!
As an Ohioan I feel the same lol
As an Ohioan I feel the same way. I have always thought that OH and MI should erect dueling "historical markers" with near identical wording in so far as "At this time in this place our valiant boys fought back the evil invading ". Kinda like what you can find when you go to Canada and read the War of 1812 markers there, and about as important to world history.
@@timmorris8932 It's already cheeky enough of the British that in the Treaty of Ghent they never acceded to the correctness of the American (and only honest) reading of the Treaty of Paris requiring the British to vacate the Territory Northwest of the River Ohio, and only said that they would abide by it. Like, "OK, we'll pretend you were right all along and vacate the premises."
Poor Wisconsin. Showed up at the end of the story and still lost.
Wisconsin got hosed by Illinois too, because the boundary was supposed to be the south end of Lake Michigan.
Serves the Cheeseheads right sticking their nose in where it doesn't belong, LMAO.
Wisconsin eventually won by the birth of America's Football Team, the Green Bay Packers!
We here in Wisconsin would invade and take the UP but have to keep our troops on the Illinois border.
I think the UP would rather be is own state and I can't blame then. They would be so much better if it they didn't have to support the dead cities of Detroit or Flint, hell we would all be better off if we didn't have to support that city. It is beautiful land up there. So much snow.
Shuddup and stir the cheese
@@cods1pe3r Detroit was a manufacturing powerhouse. The auto factories were the biggest companies in the world. Good union jobs. The jobs went to Mexico and we have what we have.
@Popup Target You guys like us to come buy fireworks. Peace.
@@KevinSmith-dx6xq I never said it wasn't a great city at one time but now it's just a crumbling corrupt mess that takes all the tax money that we could use to have roads that don't destroy your car when you drive in them.
Can confirm: Wisconsin still salty about this.
I thought I knew a shed load of obscure and ludicrous wars. Once again, THG pulls one out of the bag.
Brilliant. Thank you THG.
This one was featured prominently in "how the States got their names".
But my favorite "war" is still the kerfuffle around Jenkin's ear.
My vote for best silly-war-that-wasn't, goes to the "Pig War". Dispute between US & UK re. border between now state of Washington & BC-Canada. Wherein one Capt. George Pickett of the US Army (yeah, that same guy of later Gettysburg infamy) defied a powerful squadron of British warships. The matter was at long last resolved in arbitration... by Kaiser Wilhelm I of Germany. After a 12-YEAR military standoff, the only actual casualty... was the namesake pig.
@@boatrat Stretching the term "war" a bit, but my personal favourite is the Jerusalem ladder war.
Hey, nothing ludicrous, we gained the Upper Peninsula, and me a home that I love.
And it still hasn’t ended, only now we fight with footballs 😂
Since The War Between The States of Michigan and Ohio Years Ago The Rivals Especially in Football Haven’t Liked Each Other Since!
Thanks for the lesson. I always thought it was weird that the Upper Peninsula was not part of Wisconsin. You need a huge bridge to get from lower Michigan to the UP.
As a victorious Michigander, I quite enjoyed this episode. I've got a t-shirt with an outline of the upper peninsula captioned "toledo war champs"🤣
I have that shirt, too!
Not Big Ten Champs. They have made those in Michigan for awhile.
You guys up north won. I would rather have the U.P. over Toledo any day.
@Kelly Haines -I-O
But like... y'all lost Toledo to Ohio. You only won if we consider Wisconsin the losers.
I can 't say either Michigan or Ohio won. Ohio was stuck with Toledo, Michigan is now stuck with a bunch of Yoopers!
This channel is so underrated
Says the one who joined at 900K
I agree
Yep
It's biggest problem is that there aren't any other channels quite like it when you run out
I concur.
I bet this was the last time anyone ever cared so much about Toledo.
Cpl Clinger did. And the entire M.A.S.H. 4077th unit cared about Toledo's ribs.
Woody refused to buy gas in MI.
LOL!!!!!!!
What is wrong with Toledo ?
@@thomassherer5962,
Tony Packo’s Hot Dogs!
“Two Stickney, brother of One Stickney”
Benjamin Stickney, real-life inspiration for the Cat in the Hat?
Are you suggesting they had 2 brothers: Red Stickney & Blue Stickney? ( :
I've been to Toledo. I've been to the UP. We Michiganders, definitely got the better deal.
Tru!!
Yeah toledo probably wishes it was in Michigan. Ohio is just a boring state.
Wolverine's !
Who cares about Michigan though like to this day nobody cares Iand upper Michigan is boring afffff
Proud gander here
As an Ohioan, it's long been my theory that this dispute is of course re-enacted every year at "The Game" (Ohio State vs U Michigan football).
Of course that's what you think. But you still have Toledo!
@@travelinman70 Ohio State usually wins that game. Haha
And once again, we win! Go Bucks!
Apparently Michigan has decided that they want you to keep it...
We think the same in MI, Mr. Buckeye
Today’s war would be “you take Toledo.”
“I don’t want you take it”
......
Bir Tawil.
After reading your comment, I was laughing for a half hour with tears. I guess you are right on these.
I had only heard of this but hadn't gotten the whole story. Thank you for explaining it. As a Michigander, I'm not bothered. I like the UP.
i agree im a life long Michigander and love the up thank you ohio !!!
Ohioan here. But we used to vacation in the UP, and I love it too. Beautiful country.
@@kesmarn Time heals all wounds. I've even forgiven Woody Hayes.
@@yohannbiimu How long to forgive Rich Rodriguez?
@@yohannbiimu Whoa! That's a step too far. Boo Woody.
Thanks for sharing. As a Michigan boy there were things I learned from this.
I always thought it was so random for the UP to be a part of Michigan... now I know why. 😂
The UP is still pretty much "perpetual wilderness", though - beautiful, wonderful wilderness.
Not many know that the UP was essentially clear-cut of its old growth forest before the 20th century and what we see is the recovery.
@@brentdoolin4791 You are correct. Just about every stick standing went into the copper mines or supported mining one way or another.
@@williamkoenig7399 and not just that alone... UP lumber went into rebuilding Chicago after the fire in 1871 and Henry Ford used the lumber, iron and copper for his factories and Model T's
@@brentdoolin4791 True! I have to admit I was thinking more about the Keweenaw Peninsula specifically. William Cronon’s book Chicago: Nature’s Metropolis is pretty clear where the timber of north woods went.
@@williamkoenig7399 ironically 50,000,000 tons of peninsula copper Was mined before Columbus even showed up.... and it wasnt native americans :)
I grew up in Sylvania, Ohio which lies on the border between the state of Ohio and ichigan. The "war" was known to have little contact between the two forces as they often got lost in the swamps.
And the "two towns merge" is evident in the terrible street layout in downtown Toledo
Oh, I am sure someone have already posted this, but I still have to: "Holy Toledo!!"
Best part of this entire story is the two brothers named 1 and 2.
Maybe inspiration for Thing 1 and Thing 2 from "The Cat in the Hat"?
Would that make them the brothers Three?
@@richardklug822 I think you're mixing up the timelines of Dr.seuss and Thanksgiving. In other words; are you under the impression this all happened in the 1960's?
@@BobbinMcferry I think you misunderstood the intent of my comment...it was a joke! Next time I'll add a :^).
@@richardklug822 Sorry Richard.. get slapped by enough stupid and you forget it can be different..
As a history buff who was born in Toledo and raised in Maumee, I really enjoyed this episode, including the mention of Two Stickney. One error, however: at 7:30 the town you’re referring to is named Perrysburg, not Perrysville.
He also pronounces Maumee incorrectly. Even though there is a U it is pronounced as a W.
Yeah I grew up in Perrysburg and was upset when he called it Perrysville
I'm not from Ohio, but spend some time there, I thought Perryville sounded familiar but not quite right.
Ya that error bugged me as a Perrysburg native lol. Perrysville is near Mansfield.
. . . relax you B-bergers lol : ) . . . at least you made the cut . . . i grew up in Rossford which wasnt even around at that time so no mention there . . . unless maybe there will be a future history piece on the Rossford LOF plate glass plant and town : ) Thanks for all you Lance!
Having lived in the toledo area for the last 20 years I appreciate the insight into my new homes history
Finally someone is covering this! Being from Wisconsin, not even many Wisconsinites know this story!
I would love it if you did a video on the history of the upper peninsula. I live in Houghton which is about as far north as you can get on the keweenaw where the copper mines were located.
It surprises me that there has been about no historians talking about the extensive amount of history up here. The copper mines were supplying (I think) the most copper output in the world at this time, having some of the biggest mining company's operating from here. We were a huge boom town getting people from all over the world to work in the mines. Finnish people were hired the most probably based on the amount of snow we get, 200 inches a year. This is also how we got the yooper accent.
There is so much history up here like the strike of 1913 and the Italian hall disaster (59 children suffocated to death at a Christmas play on Christmas Eve, 73 dead in total) that almost no body knows about. I would love it if you would make a video on this topic. Like I stated before I have never seen another historian do a video on the Michigan copper mines or the keweenaw and I would love it if you were the first.
Edit: if you want to hear a yooper accent then try listening to da yoopers.
And don't forget the pasties, eh.
He should do a video on the Bath, MI school bombing.
One of the 10th most deadly school massacres...ever!
I love Houghton/Hancock! All the buildings made out of red granite are absolutely gorgeous. Old industrial town.
Steve letho - wrote a book - Covering the Italian Hall Disaster (You Can Find Him on RUclips)
You know more than enough history to do the video yourself. I've always had a great time in the UP. The ladies up there love to drink I can't keep up with them... Don't forget the fry bread with your pasty
In my 52 years, I've lived 48 in Michigan and 4 in Ohio. I love the story of the Toledo War and how Michigan hit the jackpot with the natural resources of the upper peninsula. In Ohio History class (taught in middle school), I would bring up how Michigan was the ultimate victor in the war, which earned the ire of my teacher and classmates. I think the bad blood between Ohio and Michigan can ultimately be traced back to the conflict and is acted out in modern day college football. Michiganders don't think much of Ohioans, but Ohioans downright despise Michiganders.
We here in SE Michigan call Toledo "The Part of Michigan Nobody Wanted" or the Ohio Swampland. :) Where do you think they got the name for their baseball team, The Toledo Mud Hens"?
But you're stuck with Detoilet...
I’m from Ohio. The best explanation I have heard about the Michigan and Ohio dispute.
As a Wisconsin native, I always wondered we the U.P. was a part of Michigan and not Wisconsin. Thanks for clearing that up.
I do believe I saw an old map where Michigan had once extended well into current Wisconsin and maybe a third of Minnesota. It was very interesting to study
It’s so interesting because this history still effects me. I live walking distance from Toledo, but in Michigan. If Toledo had been in Michigan, my neighborhood would probably be in the city. But the Michigan governments have zoning to keep it less city and more rural. So my rural neighborhood might be in the city of Toledo. That’s cool.
Oh you live in that really nice suburb of Toledo haha. I’m always lost when I go there, it’s like a grey zone between the two states
You don't hear much about it today, my guess is they're embarrassed about fighting over Toledo.
Sweet I'm over 50 years old and I never knew this learn something new everyday
I heard this story in history class in High School In the 1970's. Living in Ohio, I was always fascinated with this war. Thanks for doing this story.
Did you have the same thin red "Ohio History" book I did when you were in grade school? I'd love to find a copy of that.
I had no idea this went on in my home state of Ohio. I'm originally from Clermont Co. Thank you for the Ohio and Michigan history lesson.
I guess the battle over this small piece of land is why it became called "Holy Toledo".
The level of detail in this episode made me realize that none of these episodes would be possible without the original work of archivists at the time that saved the information about what was going on.
I bet that a majority of the people don’t know this one.
lot of know about it, we have a road from toledo and across fulton county called old state line, where the road stops lot of north and south roads make a jog right on that wrong line
I'm from Toledo and I didn't even know
Everyone be in Toledo knows this war lmao
From Ohio, so I know
Because there is no sense among the populace that states are actually states and that they are sovereigns.
Michigan: We'll send 1 MILLION OHIOIANS to their graves
Jackson: Imma pretend like I didn't see that.
Well don't send them to Chicago, they'll find a way to make them vote from the grave.
Michigan ain't got shit on OH1O 💪🏽
@@Bilo5x Listen I don't have a dog in this fight. I have never set foot in either state, though I would like to do so someday. One obvious are where Michigan tops Ohio is in shoreline. I don't think there is another state with no ocean frontage that has as much shoreline as Michigan. That should make its manufacturing industry strong since it is cheaper to ship things by water than almost any other means.
@@Bilo5x,
Take that back, Michigan does have shit on Ohio, wait, What?
@@JRandallS I think both have their ups and downs. We have so many businesses that put their headquarters in Columbus. We have tons of jobs and several counties are known for their wealth in job opportunities. The economy and quality of life here is great which makes living here pretty easy. There is no shortage of beauty and fun here either. I mean attractions and nice parks. Sure you could say they're not as good as some others in every way but the fact we have these things local to our state gives a large boost in morale. Traveling state isn't hard either. Just today I traveled to Columbus, then 2 malls ,several restaurants, the zoo, creekside, and all the way back to the border of Indiana.
Basically Ohio is a inside joke that only people that live local to it can enjoy. The people are overall positive and everything you need is always in reach.
Michigan is a great state too and I think since we are both pretty much neighbors we have shared experiences tho. No one wants to admit it but the people in both states are the same kind of people lol
Being a Michigander I've long wondered how the Upper Peninsula became part of Michigan not being attached by land and now only being attached by
a bridge. Now I know. Pretty complicated history. Thanks.
I learned about this in middle school, thanks to a wonderful teacher who taught us Ohio history. I still find out new details about this, even 40+ years later.
Really interesting. US history have many unknown episodes. I have no idea. Greetings from Chile.😊
Greetings from Michigan!!
I’m from Toledo, this is a news story that comes up every couple of years.
Typically when there is a certain college football game.
I drive down Old State Line Rd every day when I go to work. I chuckle everytime I do as I think about this period in our local history. Thank you for doing this video. Would also like to see one eventually on the Battle of the River Raisin.
Absolutely fascinating bit of history that deserves to be remembered.
I recommended this video a while ago on Facebook. I was so excited to see it! You did however miss one key point. The Toledo War is how Michigan became known as The Wolverine State when an Ohio Militia member said that Michigan is holing on to Toledo like a Wolverine.
As a native of Pontiac, the many arguments that we and the Ohioians have are many. In the end of the day, we are all together as brothers, except when we meet to play football. Yeah, I will take care of you Ohioians, brothers and sisters all.
Old State Line Rd is just a few miles from where sit right now and that bronze plaque you showed is just up the road from here. It is interesting to see my own stomping grounds on an episode of The History Guy! Thanks for the lesson in my own history.
No doubt about American history. It's so well recorded, and so often exceptionally funny, that it deserves much more recognition than it gets.
-"Holy" Toledo Here... Which would be Michigan, although its very far outside town where the barn is located. ...Clark,Harrison,Perry & Tecumseh walked here.
Jamie farr is from the "Eastside near tony packo" Which Toledo residents do not consider Toledo. ...However the voice of yogi bear is from here, Mr. Daws Butler
@@abearbrown1594 Don't forget Danny Thomas. Refs to Toledo were a part of his schtick in his TV shows.
correct you know your history.
@@abearbrown1594 hmmm, tony packo...yum...
And the Jamie Farr Classic is in....? Toledo!
I Grew up and was raised in Toledo,Ohio. Thank you for doing a video on this subject!! Best channel on RUclips!!
"And Now you Know the Rest of the Story" - The Late Paul Harvey ( Radio Show ) Would Say at Closing Everyday... Miss That Show...
Imagine fighting a war over Toledo. I've been to Toledo. There is absolutely nothing worth fighting over.
Except the Toledo Museum of Art, the Zoo, a botanical garden, extensive Metroparks system, and a county wide library where I worked for more than three decades. Aside from those, you're right. Wheat and chaff.
@@greggi47 those are only worth saving for people from Toledo.
The art museum is meh. The botanical gardens are average at best. And the library is essentially the same library system that every metropolitan area uses. Except for maybe Cleveland. I guess that is one thing that Toledo has going for it. At least it's not Cleveland.
@@greggi47 I liked Museum & library. I liked talking to library employees. Been to parks & zoo. Not a fan of any zoo. I'm glad the parks are there. Must seem better now that weed is legal in MI. I remember seeing war history every year , week before football game. People drive the same on both sides of border.
I grew up in Toledo. Have read Don Farber's book a couple of times. Really glad you covered this major, yet largely forgotten, historical event.
I have studied American History for 3 decades. Never "deleved" into things this funny. HOW FUNNY!! LOVE YOUR VIDEOS.
I live in Lucas county Ohio, and we still have the border markers from the conflict, marking Michigan's border claim.
Good job History Guy.
Now we need a video about Mad Anthony Wayne.
I grew up there! I agree about Anthony Wayne.
Anthony Wayne, of course, but also his second in command, James Wilkinson who was out to undermine him, and who had sworn oaths of allegiance to both Spain and France, and sucked Aaron Burr into his Texas scheme...
@@dinahnicest6525 And also Lewis and Clark meeting each other while stationed at Fort Meigs, during the war of 1812.
I'm named after him. First and middle name.
Being from Michigan. My family loves the UP of Michigan. Michigan still fights Ohio each year on the football field.
Today is the 79th Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day! There's only 2 left living they are from the USS Arizona!!
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I'm glad someone remembers.
@@allenhigginbotham3740 - oh, I remember. It still pisses me off how stupid our military “leaders” were. Fly Navy 🇺🇸
@@allenhigginbotham3740 even as we speak there's so few soldiers left living !
@@allenhigginbotham3740 Sadly there's so few Survivors left living!
This is so helpful for family Genealogy ,some family say they wer born in Ohio and others say Michigan in that timeline
People that say our country is "more divided than ever" have forgotten our history
Here in the Upper Peninsula, there is still some remnants of Wisconsin influence. With the exception of Mackinac and Chippewa Counties, we are culturally oriented toward Wisconsin. There are far more Packers and Brewers fans than Lions and Tigers (and especially Bears) fans. The counties bordering Wisconsin are on central time. Broadcast weather forecasts include parts of Wisconsin. Overnight shopping trips are to Green Bay and Appleton. Even worse, our representatives to the legislature from the western counties have a trip each weekend of 10 hours or more door-to-door. We are so far away from Lansing, I like to tell people that the Czar is our master but Moscow is far, far away.
Is the boundary between Mackinac /Chipewa Counties and the counties west of them what the state line would have been?
Yet another way in which da UP & Siberia are alike.
Yooper here...... this is taught in schools to this very day...
Troll here. It's not well known or taught in the L.P. Too bad. I think it's a fascinating bit of our state history.
Surprised you didn't hear about that in school, we learned about it when we covered state history in gradeschool. Maybe it was b/c I was in Monroe county, which borders Toledo
We learned about it in school in Toledo in the late 90's
@@jonathannovak5961 Interesting! I grew up outside of Toledo, within the Toledo Strip. I don't remember if we learned this in school but it was definitely common knowledge that Ohio and Michigan fought a "war" over us.
@@jonathannovak5961 I was taught about it in Columbus OH. At least the states it happened between will know about it
I am a lifelong resident of Toledo and this was the best breakdown of the events that happened! though I'll never make history, It's neat to be a part of it :) I wonder if our collage sport teams rivalries were born out of this small and forgotten chunk of history, if only disputes and wars could be solved in this manner...a football game! Thanks for remembering our humble city!
I beleive U of M was founded in Toledo & moved to Ann Arbor after the Toledo War. I'm quite sure that's exactly when the Rivalry began.
Essentially two parties get into a fight over lawns, and the neighbor on the other side gets arrested
Having grown up in Ohio, somehow I managed to hear a little about this. I searched for information in history books, but little was to be found. Definitely something that's almost lost to history.
I only found out from my history teachers in High School. I grew up in Toledo too so pretty surprising it wasn't taught much. My guess is that we kinda got the worse end of the deal lol
@@ArcherIndustries yep, ohio was the ultimate loser ;)
We got the U.P. and they got Toledo. Best trade ever.
Well done. I live in Ohio. You guys want Toledo back?
Yep, the joke is that Ohio lost and got Toledo.
I'm still waiting on Michagan cecede to Canada....at least Ann Arbor
@@ohioborn9929 better lansing these days
Michigan still sucks. GO BUCKEYES!
I'm from Cass county Michigan... I remember this conflict being mentioned in my 4th grade state history class, but we never went into detail about it, and it was never really brought up again. Thank you for the video!
Awesome content. As a Michigander, I always wondered how it all came about.. And spending a number of years in the UP.. we definitely got the better end of the deal.
I gave this story a thumbs up as I usually give all of your stories, however this one is only a tentative one as I am a Wisconsinite!
Michigan definitely won, the UP has far more money in timber, minerals and tourism than Ohio has made with Toledo, plus the UP is absolutely breathtaking
The Toledo War is why Michigan and Ohio State hate each other in College Football.
Breathtaking???? the 10 ft deep snow ya mean? you Yankees can keep the frozen north
Well, we got Jeep.....
@@abrahammorrison6374 I thought the hate is because UofM keeps recruiting players out of Ohio
Toledo is breathtaking but only if you breathe the air lol
Grew up in St Joseph County in Michigan and never heard of this! Given that my father was fond of strange local histories, I'm surprised he didn't know about this happening within walking distance of his home town!
In Michigan we never forget the Toledo War. I can say that i am glad my State got the U.P. a vast land of scenery, i hope to get up to pictured rocks one day.
Being a buckeye myself, I smile inside every time someone from Michigan gets upset. It's like when your brother falls off a roof or something.
I don't know of any Michigander who gets upset over this. The rest of the UP was the better end of the deal.
Of course you would, not much entertainment down on the farm.
@@travelinman70 especially nowadays, thank God for RUclips! Midwest winters rock tho!
@@alboyer6 the U.P. is hands down the nicest part of our great country.
Tony bright, the only time I get upset is when I have to travel through Ohio to get to a GOOD State! 😘
as a wisconsin guy, I'm pissed off now
Have a beer and some cheese curds.
Since we're talking about Michigan, it should be noted that the natural resources found in the Upper Peninsula each, (timber, iron ore, and copper) were individually worth more than all of the gold found in California.
Awesome! Michigander here who married a Toledoan ♥️♥️ Michigan and Ohio still hate each other lol. The UP is amazing. Thanks History Guy!!
And every year during the Ohio State Michigan game that old battle is fought again and again and again.
Happiness is crushing Buckeye Nuts! ;o)
This was one of your better ones, and the title is brilliant.
Awesome explanation of this "war". Thank you.
As a Michigander, I found this very interesting!
The Yuppers are always welcome to leave Michigan and come home to Wisconsin.
“You ask how I know of Toledo, Ohio / Well, I spent a week there one day...”
At leaast you could go to the bakery and watch the buns rise
Rodney Dangerfield
@@korbell1089 Or sit in the park and watch the grass die.
WC Fields said it about Philadelphia in 1925, when Rodney was only 4.
Thank you for doing a video on this! It's an important piece of Michigan history that nobody knows!
I recommend this topic months ago. I thought it was forgotten. Thank you THG you did a wonderful job.
That is one damn good title
It made me laugh and click!
I bet if given A chance to do it over; Ohio would happily give Toledo to Michigan. And throw in Youngstown as a bonus.
Lol I’m pretty sure Michigan would give up Michigan.
Lmao
As a Toledoian, that's false
Haha No shit we forget Toledo is there most of the time and I live 2 hours south of it.
Don't forget Cleveland.
I’ve been waiting for this video since I saw your first video. Fantastic job. Thank you.
Thank you History Guy, I’ve been looking for great info about this
Wait, how does a non-participant lose?
Wisconsin:
The correct pronunciation is Maw-mee River, where "Maw" rhymes with "jaw".
no one cares about your yankee pronunciation
OH-IO
@@AaronSAllison well it's a Yankee city so... Btws the south lost
@@AaronSAllison you're wrong. I care,
I grew up in the Toledo Strip and was not aware of this story until HBO included it in a documentary about The Game. I like the additional details provided here. I now live in "that state up north", but will be a Buckeye for life.
Great video as always. Another part of history previously unknown to me.
citizen of the state of Ohio, home of the buckeyes and several presidents. I will say i have been to the U.P. it is a wonderful wilderness and was a beautiful area.