@@jeanclaudevillenave4484 n'importe quoi pk réserver sa prouve que encore une fois électrique à tous nike le thermique à juste le bruit de différence le bruit ne fait rien c'est les résultat qui compte moi une bagnole qui geule h24 elle prend une balle de calibre 50 j'ai parfaitement le.droit merde elle fait rien mdr 😂😂😂😂 le silence c'est aussi réserver
I watched this race from Devil's Playground. Watching Romain Dumas in that VW ID electric go through the course zipping in and out of those corners like an RC car! It was so fast! 😮
Wow! Congrats VW, Romain, Travis, Rhys, and Mr Dallenbach. You are all great champions. Where else does LeMans champion meet Nitro Circus meet WRC great meet Hill climb legend? Only at Pikes Peak!
I love the new tech coming through - but Loebs run in the Peugeot was awesome to watch, that BANG on every gear change was incredible. Was suprised that all that tech only broke the record by 17 seconds though tbh.
They spend millions for this. So they won. It's logic. Every builder engaging with millions will win. This race isn't LeMans. The majority of the racers are car enthousiasts and thrill lovers.
Travis McCarty, ICE is a dead man walking, get used to it. The only problem is to scrap all the stinky, noisy, and damaging health junk, along with the spread like cancer petroleum industry will take time and fight.
They were to busy destroying Lewis Hamilton’s Spa record lap, as well as the Nurburgring record. Next stop: Goodwood Festival of Speed(but just for a demo run).
of course they don't, because altitude. In the same way, you will not see an electric car beating a combustion-engine car at sea level, before decades.
Average Picker: Perhaps. However I would still argue that on a personal safety risk basis, the Isle of Man is far more extreme. Many, many people have died doing that race. By comparison, Pikes Peak, while it is very impressive (those drop-off certainly are quite frightening to look at) it doesn't even come close to the danger of riding in the Isle of Man TT. Number of people who have died competing in the Pikes Peak race over its entire hundred year history: 6, and only two of them were in cars. Isle of Man, which is about the same age: 270. In fact, most every year has at least one fatality and quite frequently two or more. One year 6 people died. Indy is by far the most dangerous track for drivers. Followed closely by the Nürburgring. The next 3 are Monza, Le Mans and Daytona.
In 101 years of racing at the Isle of Man TT there have been over 255 deaths, not including spectators or members of the public. In 1970 6 competitors were killed, and then in 2016 5 racers were killed. Of the top three riders with the most wins at the Isle of Man; Joey Dunlop (26 wins) Died in 2000 whilst leading a race in Estonia, John McGuinness (23 wins) Is currently recovering following a crash at the North West 200 in 2017, when his leg was severely fractured and partially severed. He rode at the Isle of Man in 2018, but only for an exhibition lap as his leg re-broke 3 weeks before the race. He set an average speed of 115mph around the course, and Michael Dunlop (18 wins) Nephew of Joey Dunlop, Son of Robert Dunlop, who crashed and died at the North West 200 in 2008 during practice, Michael won the race the following day, after his brother's bike broke down, Brother to William Dunlop, who was killed earlier this month at the Skerries 100. It's not clear if Michael will return to racing, but many people are guessing that he is likely to return. The current lap speed record is 135.452mph, and the average race speed record is 131.7mph both set in 2018 by Peter Hickman during the Senior TT. And then you get the nutters who do it in a sidecar.
It's not a case of comparing crazy. It's a case of: Ok, The TT is the craziest. What comes second? Launching yourself to the moon on an office chair, or tying yourself to the back of a jet fighter, whilst punching a shark.
It does happen somewhere else with a Rally car, IndyCar and a NASCAR. It’s the most popular and biggest hillclimb event in the world. It’s called Goodwood.
Always a tad unfair to compare ANY new times to Ari Vatanan, as he got the record before there was even a road! Therefore his record will always stand in my eyes. That said... 100% respect to all concerned, anyone pushing the envelope is a worthy individual. Its a different event now, keep it shiny side up people. 🏆
Well, i bet, Loeb with a far more modern car would break that record also, he is previous generations best rally driver after all, and times have passed and technology advanced since Vatanan, so car would have been far supperior anyway. You cant judge these things based solely on , if the road is paved or not, give same conditions and same car, then you would see the comparsion. Gimme the 208 in which Loeb rode up there, it would take me most likely +5 min at minimum, might even go up twice the time with me on the wheel.
New years day, Pikes Peak has a motorcycle race. Bitter cold and gobs of bikes. I did the race 3 times in the late 60's. It was exciting. Come around a corner and someone is climbing back onto the road.
@mr Exia I agree and it's not because I'm his countryman, but he did it on an unpaved road. The film won the prize for best documentary film at the Cannes Film Festival.
This was a proper all-terrain race to the clouds, now the tarmac coating RV pussies have ruined it. Ari showed what all surface driving was about. Whenever there is a multi discipline face off, the rally guys always win.
what no one talks about is the fact the dirt portions of the track were paved a couple of years back, so all new records are just that and have not bearing on the past records.
all I'm saying is any run over pavement will be faster that a run over a combination of pavement and dirt. and I'm also not so sure about this whole electric thing, Goodwood this year seemed to manufacture the hillclimb for the sake of publicity of electric vehicles, IE the field was diminished. just saying.
john murphy idk man. I dont see that way. plus yeah sebastian loeb held the record for 6 years anybody coulda came along and beat they do this every year in june.
john murphy: saying "smashed" is a bit misleading. In 2011, a record was set of 9 minutes and 51 seconds. 2012, the first year that the road was entirely paved only shaved about 5 seconds off of that time. I will grant that it is not the same race that it was in the past. Paving the road has made a big difference. But 5 seconds better than the previous year is hardly "smashed"
Rad! I was expressing to a friend 3-years ago that an electric car would someday crush the record. His response was that all kinds of cars can break down or fail...but the torque and steadiness of the electric drive-train holds my idea as reality now:)) Nice Job Roman Dumas and the VW Designers & Team:))
The fully electric power is really ideal for this short races, where the big engine torque is necessary (tracks with high elevations and/or a lot of corners). For sure, This is the future of racing for short distances. The electric power has also advantage in the better automatic power control (the power of each wheel can be precisely controlled independently). But I think the classic combustion or electro-combustion (hybrid) engine will be still better for long distance races in aprox. 10 - 20 years (races like 24 hours Le Mans, Dakar rallye etc.), because petrol has very high density of energy in the small volume / weight.
Antonín Vojáček Yeah, hybrids really are the best of both worlds. Specifically using supercapacitors to capture breaking energy and then punch out of the corners with an additional electric motor :)
The one thing you forget is the internal combustion engine is only around 35% efficient vs 90%+ in the electric motor. So while energy density is higher in gas, does it really translate to longer range in terms of energy density? Right now, a similar effect to Morse law is applying to battery density, as we've increase density sky rocket and cost plummet. I think gas cars in general have a max of 10 years before they start to become hard to buy new.
Rocket Boards Nah, electric will never be as energy dense as gasoline because (please, EV enthusiasts, read to the end before complaining; I'm on your side, but there are facts to consider): 1. The oxidiser (half of the energy content) comes from the air, meaning you don't have to carry it around 2. The combustion products are ejected from the vehicle as they are created (again, meaning you don't have to carry them around) 3. As the gasoline is used, its mass is ejected (see pt. 2) 4. Batteries currently carry _all_ their energy content around. Air batteries are being developed where, like gasoline, half the energy comes from the air... but, unlike gasoline, the other half's mass will remain in the battery. This is a fundamental barrier to energy-mass density. 5. The physics has already been done, and it is impossible to exceed the energy density considering points 1 through 4, even taking into account the thermodynamic inefficiency of gasoline engines AND the phenomenon of regenerative braking unfortunately. Lithium is already the lightest, most mass-volume-energy dense atom you can store electric potential with (yes, hydrogen is lighter but it's also very volume-inefficient!). Air-lithium batteries are, to my knowledge, the highest we can go with chemical storage (they aren't working reliably, yet, as the lithium doesn't form back into the appropriate structure properly upon recharging it, but we'll probably get there eventually). Currently, we use a different redox reaction than with oxygen for lithium batteries, hence their mass (having to carry their air-equivalent in mass around with them). _However_ this only means that, if we can develop batteries that charge very quickly (like, the same speed it takes to fill a vehicle with a liquid fuel, or close enough to it that it is acceptable for the other characteristics), that we will need to recharge it more often than we would need to refill a gasoline car for, for the same distance. Is this an acceptable tradeoff? I'd definitely say so, considering the benefits (especially if the energy comes from solar - zero emissions but insane torque and overall performance). We aren't there yet, but we will almost certainly get there. And, the fact remains that the vast majority of people (civilian drivers, not industry) do not have driving patterns that necessitate very rapid recharging. If chargers are available at home and work and at parking places, this covers the majority of use cases _today_, and it will only get better from here. Now, for racing? They won't be suitable for endurance racing until very rapid recharging is developed. Until then, we have hybrids, fortunately, and they're wicked fast, so no complaints :)
Are you kidding? It's literally no different from any course in the world now. It used to be unique and a challenge, now it's nothing more than a smooth road. The true Record holders are the old boys like Tajima who went up the course when it required skill to not go off a cliff while sliding into a corner at about 100mph.
I really hope they follow Goodwood on broadcasting via RUclips next year. The Peak just screams to be treated that way. In my opinion there are only so few truly legendary events, being Nürburgring 24h, Le Mans 24h, Goodwood and Pikes Peak Hill Climb, and the Monte Carlo Rallye. These are the true goosebumpers, forcing me to question the fame of boring F1 or post e30 and 190e DTM as time evolves.
Meanwhile, it runs of electricity on top and u have to tow it back down. Such is the problem of e-cars. No instant refilling. And expensive as F batteries when they die.
I want to see someone try Pikes Peak in an old Chaparrel 2J. I also would be interested in someone creating a new modern fan car as i felt that technology was never fully drawn out to it's potential.
My Dad and his brother built a model T based race car way back in the 19 teens I guess. I have a picture of it somewhere. They raced the car a couple of years and then turned it into dirt track car. It ended it's days with a picture in the Denver Post. They disassembled the thing totted it up the internal stairs of the Grand Smelted smoke stack in Denver. Re assembled it and rove it around the rim. Not wanting to carry it back down they pushed it off the edge. Thats when men were men and they could do wonders in a simple garage with cars they found in the dump.
Efstathios Dimopoulos Yeah but on the Nordschleife you brake a lot less and there are more, longer flatout Sections. But it would definetly be interesting to see
i think it wouldn't be capable of breaking the 919 record , the nordschleife is a track with a lot of high speed passages and a very long straight . the big advantage of the high torque is exiting corners , the nordschleife has not enough hard braking and tight corners to benefits this cars advantages . but that's just my opinion ....prove me wrong vw ;-)
Ari Vatanen did it with the Peugeot 405 t16 in 1988 (and with the 205 t16 too in 1987), it was Walter Rohrl who did it with the Quattro S1 in 1987 Both winners in their respective years (Vatanen came in second place in 1987)
@@gian.4388 ya my bad. I actually meant ari's Peugeot and Michelle mouttons and rohrl's Audi A1. My bad mixed both things. But got damn were they awesome laps.
There will never be a new record for Pike’s Peak. Daddy Millen owns this mountain forever as does Toyota. You’ve gone and paved it all so this is a new race.
The first known electric car was built in 1837, in Scotland by chemist Robert Davidson of Aberdeen. It was powered by galvanic cells (batteries). Davidson later built a larger locomotive named Galvani, exhibited at the Royal Scottish Society of Arts Exhibition in 1841. The 7,100-kilogram (7-long-ton) vehicle had two direct-drive reluctance motors, with fixed electromagnets acting on iron bars attached to a wooden cylinder on each axle, and simple commutators. It hauled a load of 6,100 kilograms (6 long tons) at 6.4 kilometres per hour (4 mph) for a distance of 2.4 km (1.5 miles). It was tested on the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway in September of the following year, but the limited power from batteries prevented its general use. It was destroyed by railway workers, who saw it as a threat to their security of employment.[7][8][9][10]
Electric cars also have instant torque, no turbo lag, engines themselves are lighter (therefore most of the cars mass is closer to its center of mass and that makes it take less energy to rotate the car around giving significant advantage for hairpins) and you can control exactly how much power goes into each wheel.
@jt thorsson I don't understand why people hate electric race cars, they are faster, allow for more efficient use of power, give more opportunities to enhance driving, are quieter and friendlier for the environment. + are safer both on track and on streets. If you are one of those people who think drivers are supposed to be gladiators and safety is for pussies then i understand your point but i do not agree with it.
o0bananaman0o: already been done, in 2016 with their top of the line model. It didn't really do all that well at nearly 12 minutes. This year a hybrid Acura set did it in about 10 minutes. In 2015 a diesel Mercedes C300 also was faster. While initial acceleration of Teslas is quite impressive, they really can't sustain those speeds for very long. As I recall, even when you put it in "Ludacris mode", you are only allowed to do it either 3 or 5 times (can't remember which) before it has to be allowed to cool down. Plus it's a big, heavy car. Don't get me wrong, I think Teslas are awesome, but this really is not a good venue for them.
Rather interesting that this is likely to be looked back on as the period when internal combustion engines were on their way out, and electric was on their way in. In fact, it's the battery tech we need to work on - we've had electric motors for a long time. Energy density, recharge time, Lifetime recharge cycles, etc - all need improved.
Until we get a cheap form of electricity, I will beg to differ on this being the time. We cannot produce enough power for just businesses ,homes, and industry, to be able have the batteries and solar to replace petroleum and natural gas for electricity
The new Audi RS Q8 would take the suv record today for sure. Specially if they did that weight reduction and race prepping that the Bentley and Range Rovers had done.
I love this so much, but Loeb's run in the Peugeot will always have my heart.
I think he could come back and beat his previous time.
He drove his car like a true Race Car Driver...
Fearlessly!!!!!
entièrement d'accord avec vous, et je vais même plus loin je crois que cette course doit être réservée aux moteurs thermiques
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@@jeanclaudevillenave4484 n'importe quoi pk réserver sa prouve que encore une fois électrique à tous nike le thermique à juste le bruit de différence le bruit ne fait rien c'est les résultat qui compte moi une bagnole qui geule h24 elle prend une balle de calibre 50 j'ai parfaitement le.droit merde elle fait rien mdr 😂😂😂😂 le silence c'est aussi réserver
I watched this race from Devil's Playground. Watching Romain Dumas in that VW ID electric go through the course zipping in and out of those corners like an RC car! It was so fast! 😮
Still Rörhl‘s record run with the quattro will allways stay my favourite run on pikes peak
Classic Pastrana😁
Thinks he'll try pikes peak then wins his class 👏👏👏
Stupidity is wasted on the lazy.
Watching the Start is just amazing. 0- Warp Speed in 2 Seconds
If you're referring to 6:22 , that's not the acceleration, rather, the video was in slow motion , and then was brought back to normal speed.
@@DrFreeeman Yep. In this day and age it's the lack of grip from the tires, not the drivetrain loss holding them back.
@@x808drifter Does electric cars have better tyres than ice?
Must've been the most quietest 8mins in pikes peak competition
Still gives me shivers. The VW was the most amazing and fastest car to see. Made the whole trip worth it.
Wow! Congrats VW, Romain, Travis, Rhys, and Mr Dallenbach. You are all great champions. Where else does LeMans champion meet Nitro Circus meet WRC great meet Hill climb legend? Only at Pikes Peak!
I love the new tech coming through - but Loebs run in the Peugeot was awesome to watch, that BANG on every gear change was incredible.
Was suprised that all that tech only broke the record by 17 seconds though tbh.
They spend millions for this. So they won. It's logic.
Every builder engaging with millions will win. This race isn't LeMans. The majority of the racers are car enthousiasts and thrill lovers.
Bloody amazing, I wonder if Porsche now dare to bring the 919 Tribute to pikes peak...
919 would demolish
Travis McCarty, ICE is a dead man walking, get used to it. The only problem is to scrap all the stinky, noisy, and damaging health junk, along with the spread like cancer petroleum industry will take time and fight.
They were to busy destroying Lewis Hamilton’s Spa record lap, as well as the Nurburgring record. Next stop: Goodwood Festival of Speed(but just for a demo run).
OH GOD YES
of course they don't, because altitude.
In the same way, you will not see an electric car beating a combustion-engine car at sea level, before decades.
It's the "most crazy race you can have in the world". Someone show him the Isle of Man TT.
There are different crazies. The Dakar is pretty crazy. Yes the Isle of Man TT is pretty crazy...well I'm just not a fan of trying to compare crazy.
Average Picker: Perhaps. However I would still argue that on a personal safety risk basis, the Isle of Man is far more extreme. Many, many people have died doing that race. By comparison, Pikes Peak, while it is very impressive (those drop-off certainly are quite frightening to look at) it doesn't even come close to the danger of riding in the Isle of Man TT. Number of people who have died competing in the Pikes Peak race over its entire hundred year history: 6, and only two of them were in cars. Isle of Man, which is about the same age: 270. In fact, most every year has at least one fatality and quite frequently two or more. One year 6 people died.
Indy is by far the most dangerous track for drivers. Followed closely by the Nürburgring. The next 3 are Monza, Le Mans and Daytona.
In 101 years of racing at the Isle of Man TT there have been over 255 deaths, not including spectators or members of the public. In 1970 6 competitors were killed, and then in 2016 5 racers were killed. Of the top three riders with the most wins at the Isle of Man; Joey Dunlop (26 wins) Died in 2000 whilst leading a race in Estonia, John McGuinness (23 wins) Is currently recovering following a crash at the North West 200 in 2017, when his leg was severely fractured and partially severed. He rode at the Isle of Man in 2018, but only for an exhibition lap as his leg re-broke 3 weeks before the race. He set an average speed of 115mph around the course, and Michael Dunlop (18 wins) Nephew of Joey Dunlop, Son of Robert Dunlop, who crashed and died at the North West 200 in 2008 during practice, Michael won the race the following day, after his brother's bike broke down, Brother to William Dunlop, who was killed earlier this month at the Skerries 100. It's not clear if Michael will return to racing, but many people are guessing that he is likely to return. The current lap speed record is 135.452mph, and the average race speed record is 131.7mph both set in 2018 by Peter Hickman during the Senior TT. And then you get the nutters who do it in a sidecar.
It's not a case of comparing crazy. It's a case of: Ok, The TT is the craziest. What comes second? Launching yourself to the moon on an office chair, or tying yourself to the back of a jet fighter, whilst punching a shark.
isle of man is done, it is super-gay rules now
Would love to see the on-board of that monster.
We will have that for you! Coming up strong at you on our action day, next Monday! Stay tuned.
I hope you show the entire run onboard, uncut.
@@RedBullMotorsports I couldn't find it?
I LOVE the combo of high-tech car and old-school cables (8:19) lashing it all together. :)
Absolutely amazing job with the drive and RedBull great job with the editing and interviews 🤘
That was badass. And I just subscribed. Keep up the quality content
Amazing coverage redbull. Thank you
''Going up is easy. Going down would be a challenge.'' - Ari Vatanen
The electric car would end up with MORE fuel at the end than it started with.
Barry PURKIS Lmao that is true
But it tastes so good.. 🤫
Walter Röhrl is a genius! And the Audi S1 a beast!
It sounds like a TIE fighter, I love it.
Awesome, I wish I could go there someday to have some fun at high speed ☺️
AWESOME !!!
It does happen somewhere else with a Rally car, IndyCar and a NASCAR. It’s the most popular and biggest hillclimb event in the world. It’s called Goodwood.
Interesting video and very good production, good job!
3:48 "Recharges in ±20 mins" - sometimes recharges in 20 min, sometimes 20 min before even plugging it in (Y) Only VW
That is that flat hand-wavey gesture...
The same with power. Sometimes it can match 700 horses, sometimes you need 700 horses to stop it from driving backwards.
lool
Always a tad unfair to compare ANY new times to Ari Vatanan, as he got the record before there was even a road! Therefore his record will always stand in my eyes. That said... 100% respect to all concerned, anyone pushing the envelope is a worthy individual. Its a different event now, keep it shiny side up people. 🏆
Any "record" after they started paving the Peak is invalid.
Well, i bet, Loeb with a far more modern car would break that record also, he is previous generations best rally driver after all, and times have passed and technology advanced since Vatanan, so car would have been far supperior anyway. You cant judge these things based solely on , if the road is paved or not, give same conditions and same car, then you would see the comparsion.
Gimme the 208 in which Loeb rode up there, it would take me most likely +5 min at minimum, might even go up twice the time with me on the wheel.
What a monster the driver has no fear absolutely relentless
Travis always looks so happy :D
I live there... here. It's awesome. The week leading up to the races they have a party downtown, close the streets and line them with race cars.
7:32 «yeah i have alot of emotion» seems right
Amazing guys
That looks like the most fun road to cycle. A challenging climb, then a smooth ribbon of black to descend on.
That's exactly what I was thinking!!
No Dirt. No Gas. No record. Hashtag save pikes peak.
Onboard video please! No edits, just sound.
New years day, Pikes Peak has a motorcycle race. Bitter cold and gobs of bikes. I did the race 3 times in the late 60's. It was exciting. Come around a corner and someone is climbing back onto the road.
En mass start. Biggest engine bikes first, then smaller bikes.
I prefer Ari Vatanen video over this one. Was a full rally race at the time, not a tarmac road race.
One of the best rallying/racing films made as well. Great angles, great editing. And this was long before the advent of GoPro cameras.
@mr Exia I agree and it's not because I'm his countryman, but he did it on an unpaved road. The film won the prize for best documentary film at the Cannes Film Festival.
This was a proper all-terrain race to the clouds, now the tarmac coating RV pussies have ruined it. Ari showed what all surface driving was about. Whenever there is a multi discipline face off, the rally guys always win.
7:12 Spot the red Audi quattro S1 "Batmobile" in the background, hell yeah!
That's why we are said to be the best. . Great Show stay Safe. . .
I rode my Harley Road King to the top last year, very impressive ride.😎
I have so many emotion!
what no one talks about is the fact the dirt portions of the track were paved a couple of years back, so all new records are just that and have not bearing on the past records.
The last record was set in 2013, road completed in 2011.
all I'm saying is any run over pavement will be faster that a run over a combination of pavement and dirt. and I'm also not so sure about this whole electric thing, Goodwood this year seemed to manufacture the hillclimb for the sake of publicity of electric vehicles, IE the field was diminished. just saying.
john murphy idk man. I dont see that way. plus yeah sebastian loeb held the record for 6 years anybody coulda came along and beat they do this every year in june.
loeb was the first to make the entire run on a fully paved road. and the talk was how the smashed the record.
john murphy: saying "smashed" is a bit misleading. In 2011, a record was set of 9 minutes and 51 seconds. 2012, the first year that the road was entirely paved only shaved about 5 seconds off of that time.
I will grant that it is not the same race that it was in the past. Paving the road has made a big difference. But 5 seconds better than the previous year is hardly "smashed"
Love Pikes Peak.....has to be the greatest race anywhere, anytime.
cool video highlightd
Rad! I was expressing to a friend 3-years ago that an electric car would someday crush the record.
His response was that all kinds of cars can break down or fail...but the torque and steadiness of the electric drive-train holds my idea as reality now:))
Nice Job Roman Dumas and the VW Designers & Team:))
Loeb's run is still more satisfying to watch.
Yes! I even think he could push the vw a little faster!
It is what it is
Ari's is better.
Okay Redbull, now lets see an episode on what we really want... THE BIKES!
bikesbeersnbeats! What you want not everyone.
I love bikes and have been racing them my whole life but even I think they're boring on pikes peak.
Bikes would be so boring on Pikes Peak
The fully electric power is really ideal for this short races, where the big engine torque is necessary (tracks with high elevations and/or a lot of corners). For sure, This is the future of racing for short distances. The electric power has also advantage in the better automatic power control (the power of each wheel can be precisely controlled independently). But I think the classic combustion or electro-combustion (hybrid) engine will be still better for long distance races in aprox. 10 - 20 years (races like 24 hours Le Mans, Dakar rallye etc.), because petrol has very high density of energy in the small volume / weight.
Antonín Vojáček Yeah, hybrids really are the best of both worlds. Specifically using supercapacitors to capture breaking energy and then punch out of the corners with an additional electric motor :)
Just imagine Le Mans: 8 min. into the race the car needs to be recharged for 20 minutes...
The one thing you forget is the internal combustion engine is only around 35% efficient vs 90%+ in the electric motor. So while energy density is higher in gas, does it really translate to longer range in terms of energy density? Right now, a similar effect to Morse law is applying to battery density, as we've increase density sky rocket and cost plummet. I think gas cars in general have a max of 10 years before they start to become hard to buy new.
Rocket Boards Nah, electric will never be as energy dense as gasoline because (please, EV enthusiasts, read to the end before complaining; I'm on your side, but there are facts to consider):
1. The oxidiser (half of the energy content) comes from the air, meaning you don't have to carry it around
2. The combustion products are ejected from the vehicle as they are created (again, meaning you don't have to carry them around)
3. As the gasoline is used, its mass is ejected (see pt. 2)
4. Batteries currently carry _all_ their energy content around. Air batteries are being developed where, like gasoline, half the energy comes from the air... but, unlike gasoline, the other half's mass will remain in the battery. This is a fundamental barrier to energy-mass density.
5. The physics has already been done, and it is impossible to exceed the energy density considering points 1 through 4, even taking into account the thermodynamic inefficiency of gasoline engines AND the phenomenon of regenerative braking unfortunately. Lithium is already the lightest, most mass-volume-energy dense atom you can store electric potential with (yes, hydrogen is lighter but it's also very volume-inefficient!). Air-lithium batteries are, to my knowledge, the highest we can go with chemical storage (they aren't working reliably, yet, as the lithium doesn't form back into the appropriate structure properly upon recharging it, but we'll probably get there eventually). Currently, we use a different redox reaction than with oxygen for lithium batteries, hence their mass (having to carry their air-equivalent in mass around with them).
_However_ this only means that, if we can develop batteries that charge very quickly (like, the same speed it takes to fill a vehicle with a liquid fuel, or close enough to it that it is acceptable for the other characteristics), that we will need to recharge it more often than we would need to refill a gasoline car for, for the same distance. Is this an acceptable tradeoff? I'd definitely say so, considering the benefits (especially if the energy comes from solar - zero emissions but insane torque and overall performance). We aren't there yet, but we will almost certainly get there. And, the fact remains that the vast majority of people (civilian drivers, not industry) do not have driving patterns that necessitate very rapid recharging. If chargers are available at home and work and at parking places, this covers the majority of use cases _today_, and it will only get better from here.
Now, for racing? They won't be suitable for endurance racing until very rapid recharging is developed. Until then, we have hybrids, fortunately, and they're wicked fast, so no complaints :)
Petrol's energy density is static, that of batteries is not. It keeps increasing.
I want to sign up for next year!
Awesome, pity we didn't get to see all the footage of the climb.
Tear Up The Tarmac!
Back to CLAY!
Pikes peak used to be really cool, Then they paved it all.
SVrider its much better now should be paved
Are you kidding? It's literally no different from any course in the world now. It used to be unique and a challenge, now it's nothing more than a smooth road. The true Record holders are the old boys like Tajima who went up the course when it required skill to not go off a cliff while sliding into a corner at about 100mph.
stuffanthings its still unique what other course is like this name's please
Literally EVERY hillclimb course or paved mountain road in the world
stuffanthings none are like this most others are anonymous this is infamous
Another racing like TT isle, amazing they're is brave drivers
I really hope they follow Goodwood on broadcasting via RUclips next year. The Peak just screams to be treated that way.
In my opinion there are only so few truly legendary events, being Nürburgring 24h, Le Mans 24h, Goodwood and Pikes Peak Hill Climb, and the Monte Carlo Rallye.
These are the true goosebumpers, forcing me to question the fame of boring F1 or post e30 and 190e DTM as time evolves.
@KenBlock let's see you Hoonigan this :D
Pikes Peak and Isle of Man TT , some of the most dangerous and incredible racing in the world.
The worlds largest RC car. Insane!!!! I want two of them.
Meanwhile, it runs of electricity on top and u have to tow it back down. Such is the problem of e-cars. No instant refilling. And expensive as F batteries when they die.
And now watch Walter Röhrl in the Audi quattro S1 1987 and tell me about your emotions
Purest form of Motorsport still available
I respect to what I’ve heard some people say, “this is my baby.” Win win Win
It took Red Bull, who are not a VW sponsor, to build a film on VW's Pikes Peak success. For shame, Volkswagen, seriously dropped the ball.
wow finally a good looking car
hey vw what about desinging all of your cars so good?
I want to see someone try Pikes Peak in an old Chaparrel 2J.
I also would be interested in someone creating a new modern fan car as i felt that technology was never fully drawn out to it's potential.
My Dad and his brother built a model T based race car way back in the 19 teens I guess. I have a picture of it somewhere. They raced the car a couple of years and then turned it into dirt track car. It ended it's days with a picture in the Denver Post. They disassembled the thing totted it up the internal stairs of the Grand Smelted smoke stack in Denver. Re assembled it and rove it around the rim. Not wanting to carry it back down they pushed it off the edge.
Thats when men were men and they could do wonders in a simple garage with cars they found in the dump.
That records gonna be hard to beat.
And the big question is: will the VW make a lap in the Nordschleife ? They have the range for it (with regen braking)
Efstathios Dimopoulos
Yeah but on the Nordschleife you brake a lot less and there are more, longer flatout Sections. But it would definetly be interesting to see
i think it wouldn't be capable of breaking the 919 record , the nordschleife is a track with a lot of high speed passages and a very long straight .
the big advantage of the high torque is exiting corners , the nordschleife has not enough hard braking and tight corners to benefits this cars advantages .
but that's just my opinion ....prove me wrong vw ;-)
It wouldn't have the high altitude advantage at Nordschleife. It'd just receive a thorough beating.
elektro vw mega Daumen hoch
That's nuts.
All the respect to the Volkswagen team and Romain Dumas.
But for me Ari's pikes peak with the Audi is still the best.
Ari Vatanen did it with the Peugeot 405 t16 in 1988 (and with the 205 t16 too in 1987), it was Walter Rohrl who did it with the Quattro S1 in 1987
Both winners in their respective years (Vatanen came in second place in 1987)
@@gian.4388 ya my bad.
I actually meant ari's Peugeot and Michelle mouttons and rohrl's Audi A1. My bad mixed both things.
But got damn were they awesome laps.
In the future i will fall a sleep during watching a car race.. so calm n quite no rrooaarring engine anymore.. bhahaha
There will never be a new record for Pike’s Peak. Daddy Millen owns this mountain forever as does Toyota. You’ve gone and paved it all so this is a new race.
Crazy car
I am a car and bike guy, but up there it's the bike guys who have the balls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m going at some point in my life. I love 800 miles away
I'd love to see Timo Bernhard with his 919 HE tribute to this race
The first known electric car was built in 1837, in Scotland by chemist Robert Davidson of Aberdeen. It was powered by galvanic cells (batteries). Davidson later built a larger locomotive named Galvani, exhibited at the Royal Scottish Society of Arts Exhibition in 1841. The 7,100-kilogram (7-long-ton) vehicle had two direct-drive reluctance motors, with fixed electromagnets acting on iron bars attached to a wooden cylinder on each axle, and simple commutators. It hauled a load of 6,100 kilograms (6 long tons) at 6.4 kilometres per hour (4 mph) for a distance of 2.4 km (1.5 miles). It was tested on the Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway in September of the following year, but the limited power from batteries prevented its general use. It was destroyed by railway workers, who saw it as a threat to their security of employment.[7][8][9][10]
CLIMB DANCE
CLAY!
405 Т16 - now that was the real Pikes Peak experience.
The electric car got the advantage of needs no oxygen. As we know, higher the altitude, more less the oxygen.
Electric cars also have instant torque, no turbo lag, engines themselves are lighter (therefore most of the cars mass is closer to its center of mass and that makes it take less energy to rotate the car around giving significant advantage for hairpins) and you can control exactly how much power goes into each wheel.
@jt thorsson I don't understand why people hate electric race cars, they are faster, allow for more efficient use of power, give more opportunities to enhance driving, are quieter and friendlier for the environment. + are safer both on track and on streets.
If you are one of those people who think drivers are supposed to be gladiators and safety is for pussies then i understand your point but i do not agree with it.
@jt thorsson We might be watching different sports then, which ones do you have the problem with?
@@harlisviikmae6240 electric cars are undeniably fast when configured properly. But they sound terrible. That's what most people miss with them
Amazing what you can do with a bazillion dollar car!
The one with the most money wins again.
NotMyField like that in all fields not just cars
Make more money. Make a better car. Then go win.
And to think I thought it was pretty exciting driving to the top at a maximum speed of 25mph in a Nissan Rogue in May.
Pikes Peak just isnt the same paved it was so much more special when it was dirt.
Indeed, but now it is more consistent/safer..
potential there for the model x to take the production SUV record
o0bananaman0o: already been done, in 2016 with their top of the line model. It didn't really do all that well at nearly 12 minutes. This year a hybrid Acura set did it in about 10 minutes. In 2015 a diesel Mercedes C300 also was faster. While initial acceleration of Teslas is quite impressive, they really can't sustain those speeds for very long. As I recall, even when you put it in "Ludacris mode", you are only allowed to do it either 3 or 5 times (can't remember which) before it has to be allowed to cool down. Plus it's a big, heavy car. Don't get me wrong, I think Teslas are awesome, but this really is not a good venue for them.
Nice but I think we can all agree that we'd like to know what is the Doug score.
Yes, I want to see the back seats
Cool Score - 4
The future is now.
old man
Bentley Time was bonkers!
bring this to Nordschleife!!!
I was there at devil's playground this year and saw all of this
Fast BUT totally unspectacular . The old Peugeot 405 t16 on dirt looks like way more fun.
2:14 You can see all three at the Goodwood FOS.
Harm....1M
love EVs.
Rather interesting that this is likely to be looked back on as the period when internal combustion engines were on their way out, and electric was on their way in. In fact, it's the battery tech we need to work on - we've had electric motors for a long time. Energy density, recharge time, Lifetime recharge cycles, etc - all need improved.
We've had batteries for longer than we've had electric motors.
IC engines will never be extinct...at least not in our lifetime
Until we get a cheap form of electricity, I will beg to differ on this being the time. We cannot produce enough power for just businesses ,homes, and industry, to be able have the batteries and solar to replace petroleum and natural gas for electricity
So thanks for subtitles that are so quickly put up that no one can read them, and no, when jerks do this I'm not going to rewind.
If there's one guy who's more then likely to fly off that track it's Travis Pastrana going balls to the wall.
I also happens at goodwood Festival of Speed
What’s the name of the first song
The new Audi RS Q8 would take the suv record today for sure. Specially if they did that weight reduction and race prepping that the Bentley and Range Rovers had done.
When you have a motor at each wheel its a huge advantage with monster torque.
When Travis Pastrana has 2 cents to put in about the race, that says something, I'd say
Same car and driver, fastest time at Goodwood festival of speed today
A stallion that can't neigh, is a stallion that doesn't show its feeling. Will take quite a while to understanding this new breed.
Thank God for the music... I thought I'd have to listen to the car.
give the 919 evo a shot :D
The 919 Evo flies up there!
That VW was pouring smoke at the top. Was that from the batteries overheating?
Now Everyone Is Gonna Go Electric ⚡️
Fuck no they won't
God I hope not