RiverTechJess how much of research is learning and practicing, how much is crunching numbers and grinding, how much is discovering? Or is it all blended and modulated depending on chosen field and sector in physics and math?
Two of my favorite youtubers together! Awesome! Nice video! I agree with all what you say. I worked 9 years in the industry before starting my PhD, I can confirm that all your impressions are true in my experience. I need to add that in academia you basically work alone. Team work is very very limited compared to the industrial environment.
It's so interesting to hear experiences in academia and how they vary in the different subjects. I'm a cultural anthropology grad student and when I submitted my MA application I had to also submit my project proposal. Once I got accepted I was basically treated like an independent researcher and while I did have a supervising prof to answer questions she did not steer my project at all unless I specifically asked for her help. From what y'all are talking about it sounds more like the prof is the one setting the project and the grad student basically just performs the lab work and writes up the results?
I think flexibility is definitely better in Academia. Having done both for many years, I love industrial research more. Industrial research is usually paired with quicker decision making, so you get a better sense of the work importance, which helps you double down on the research quality.
Totally agree, now on a placement in a research sector of the company and most of the time when some method during the research and learn process turned out not working or working well enough for the at most the 2nd or 3rd time, it's either abandoned or "put into the long grass"
Thanks for this. I recently finished my master's thesis in biomedical engineering and have been working in the biomedical industry for almost a year. My experience in grad school was tough, but I do miss the intellectual freedom of academia. In industry (at least for my current employer) projects are profit-driven, while in academia projects are driven by innovation. I ultimately didn't pursue a Ph.D. since I have a toddler to raise. And PhDs in academia are often underpaid in lecturer and assistant professor positions. Only if you reach tenure/associate professor level, will you feel more secure and pay reflective of your skillset. I also feel academics have more work-life balance since you dictate your teaching and research. Also, you have more holiday breaks and summers off. In industry, you're obligated to be on site 5 days a week for at least 40 hours, with 10-15 PTO days a year. And in the industry, the research you want to pursue has to be aligned with company leadership, who often are driven by cost-effectiveness rather than maximizing product quality. Overall, if you value intellectual freedom more than anything, go into academia. If you invent something worth a patent in industry, the company's name goes on the patent, not the scientists who developed the product. In academia, all IPs are under your name, and this you get more notoriety. If I had the time and resources I would go back to do a Ph.D. and pursue an academic career. But for now, I'll be in the industry for the next few years
Exactly ownership over the work you’re doing everyday has an insanely huge impact on your drive and enjoyment of what you do, if you can block that out and like being a worker bee for a corporations profits go to academia Building a career in academia does give you more noteriety as you said, in addition to broader knowledge and skills which can enable you to start your own business and make more money than you ever could as an employee for a corporation
How ironic that academics wish for their work to be useful and refuse to go into industry, yet industry research is what’s actually useful. It seems to me that academics just want to escape accountability.
Left my PhD with a masters due to a very toxic environment that academia can be sometimes, but looking back Academia is still so much better, starting out as a new grad you’re going to make just as much in academia as a tech or specialist, the freedom and ownership will impact you every single day, working to make a corporation profits is going to spoil your work and build resentment overtime
Well, I have done internships which were not paid, and now i regret it. As I felt I was being used for their work. I felt hurt but still didn't have courage to quit, as i was in dilemma what if i didn't get another one with good company name.
@@stephaniecantu6973 Yo! Ahh, yea technically.. but the competition is so fierce that you need many years experience Post a PhD and this is commonly gained through a PostDoc. I've asked this to some profs in the UK and they say a PostDoc is pretty standard... there's SO many qualified people with PhDs and a PostDoc is another way to trim the selection process down because industry pays better and has a better lifestyle for the most part (though, your job security can be shaky.. instead of no funding it's like whoops, upstairs just decided that our department is caving). Also.. approximately 11% of all jobs (prob +/- 6% or so) are in research. most industry jobs are in sales, consulting, lecturing, manufacturing or something related to business. For this sad reason, I've decided there's not really any path forward in research for me (studying neurology/neuroscience as a masters student) and i've been having a heck of a time look for alternatives. Statistically, I'm not the best nor the brightest, so in order to compete i'll have to dedicate so many years (of doing things I DONT want to be doing) just to remain Par. Designing the newest Jet is suuuuper cool too but I guess I have to swallow the pill that I won't be the one doing it (by analogy, coming up with a wild breakthrough for Parkinson's Disease)
Matt Ball this is discouraging to hear I’m sorry to hear that. I’m actually going to move to the UK this sep to do a masters in cancer biology and hoped to get a PhD in biomedical sciences or molecular sciences with a focus in cancer therapeutics or something like that. And I’m I want to go into industry work. But I’m not certain of the instability of the field that I’m thinking of backing out and try to get into medical school ( my original plan but I loved research). So idk. If worst comes to worse you can be a medical consultant or something right ?
One difference is: Industrial research is always "technological research", instead Academic research could be "technological research", "scientific research" or both
Nice thoughts but I have to disagree. In the research department of my company we did a lot of "scientific" research and not technological. I don't even think "technological" research exists because what kind of research is that? Research is mostly looking at the fundamental level so idk if this is a valid way to box the two categories
STEMinine Technological research is focus in develop applications of science in products to solving an specific society problem and that product could be marketing beyond the research time. For that reason companys usually do technological research, because majority of scientific research is very fundamental and not generate and not generate economic earnings immediately. Sometimes academia do both types of research, because the research solve a fundamental problem in a particular applied science and solve a society problem too, that could develop a product for the people or society. I know so few companys that develop scientific research, like CERN do.
The motivation in accademia should be to expand knowledge, as opposite to find a solution for to an existing problem, or to make something more profitable. Profit should not matter in academia, this is my opinion
is research in academia and industry similar? For example, I have heard that industry scientists apparently do not got as in depth with the science. How does research procedure differ in the two? For example in academia, it starts with 1) finding the unmet need 2) doing a literature review of the topic 3) setting up the experiment 4) collecting results 5) analysing results and writing the paper. Does industry research work that way or differently? I have heard that industry research doesn't involve doing the literature review and the paper writing part. Is that true?
How do human👥 civilizations evolve from Middle Dark Ages to Industrial🏭 Age and then onto Modern 20th and 21st century? Answering this question completely will help you to realize😃 the critical and crucial connection between a PhD📜 (in STEM 🧬📡field) and industry🏭. "From where does the industry comes from?" Try answering it completely and on the spot under 10 seconds.
Hey Jess I have a question, in your opinion what are your thoughts about opportunities for a physics major vs engineering? In terms of employment, broadness, etc.
I am a second year linguistics student. And I feel so confused, I would like to be a professor but the salaries for associate professors are at most 3000. But I do not know what can I do with my degree in industry. I wanna do masters in computational linguistics. Any advice????
9 to 5 ??? You probably worked for a Northern Europe company. That would explain why Europe is lagging behind. In Mediatek Asia people work 996 and in China I heard is the same. In India (I worked w/ one too) engineers are almost enslaved. In US when a project starts you are allowed to do a bit of 9 to 5. But that is only b/c you just pushed hard in the previous project. Sooner or later that 9 to 5 goes out the window, if not for nothing else, you either run or you are outpaced by the ferocious competition. Furthermore your boss in an Eng. and he makes the schedule based on you working hard, b/c his boss is an Eng. too that is pushing him also, and so on and so forth till the CEO. My CEO in US was always(!) an Engineer. 30% to 50% of a project is done in "sense of urgency" mode meaning you need to work ~10h/day (or more), do some weekends and in the last month is crushing time, like work all time while you're not asleep or eating, and do 9 to 5 on weekends. If I knew what I know now I'd study to become the weather man, the only guy that can fail big and still keep his job. :)
@@stephaniecantu6973 Yes. I have seen entire engineering teams being laid off. And believe me, they were reaaaaally good. They were just tackling a problem noone have ever tackled before, and they were just unfortunate and chose the path that was a dead end. No mercy for them though, despite the 2nd team actually used the previous unsuccess and learned lessons for their benefit and to actually succeed. On another project I actually worked on it was the marketing/sales that was fired b/c it turns out he made us work (like dogs) in something that in the end he had no clients for. He might have misunderstood their needs, nevertheless during the actual project he claimed that he was losing millions of $$$ b/c of engineering delays. The 2nd generation was canceled, but engineering was relocated to other projects and no engineer lost their job.
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I hope that people find our experiences helpful! Thanks again for having me on your channel :)
I hope so too! and of course. We’ll do it again sometime:)
@@RiverTechJess I think you too must do a mutual research.
This experience is very helpful to me.
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RiverTechJess how much of research is learning and practicing, how much is crunching numbers and grinding, how much is discovering? Or is it all blended and modulated depending on chosen field and sector in physics and math?
Tobi’s voice is most therapeutic voice I have ever heard. ❤
I really enjoy the structure of industry, but wish I still had some of the freedom of academia!
that's when you start your own company;)
Two of my favorite youtubers together! Awesome! Nice video! I agree with all what you say. I worked 9 years in the industry before starting my PhD, I can confirm that all your impressions are true in my experience. I need to add that in academia you basically work alone. Team work is very very limited compared to the industrial environment.
great input! thank you!
I have planned to study masters by business research in Aus . Will I get job after graduation. ??
It's so interesting to hear experiences in academia and how they vary in the different subjects. I'm a cultural anthropology grad student and when I submitted my MA application I had to also submit my project proposal. Once I got accepted I was basically treated like an independent researcher and while I did have a supervising prof to answer questions she did not steer my project at all unless I specifically asked for her help. From what y'all are talking about it sounds more like the prof is the one setting the project and the grad student basically just performs the lab work and writes up the results?
I think flexibility is definitely better in Academia. Having done both for many years, I love industrial research more. Industrial research is usually paired with quicker decision making, so you get a better sense of the work importance, which helps you double down on the research quality.
Totally agree, now on a placement in a research sector of the company and most of the time when some method during the research and learn process turned out not working or working well enough for the at most the 2nd or 3rd time, it's either abandoned or "put into the long grass"
ya i think academia has more money to just try random crap until something works lol
Industry cares more about a project that can actually work. Who has published a PhD with work that has actually worked in three years? let me know
i love watching both your channels so it's really nice for you guys to come together :)
I'm so happy to hear that!! Thanks for watching:)
Thanks for this. I recently finished my master's thesis in biomedical engineering and have been working in the biomedical industry for almost a year. My experience in grad school was tough, but I do miss the intellectual freedom of academia. In industry (at least for my current employer) projects are profit-driven, while in academia projects are driven by innovation. I ultimately didn't pursue a Ph.D. since I have a toddler to raise. And PhDs in academia are often underpaid in lecturer and assistant professor positions. Only if you reach tenure/associate professor level, will you feel more secure and pay reflective of your skillset.
I also feel academics have more work-life balance since you dictate your teaching and research. Also, you have more holiday breaks and summers off. In industry, you're obligated to be on site 5 days a week for at least 40 hours, with 10-15 PTO days a year. And in the industry, the research you want to pursue has to be aligned with company leadership, who often are driven by cost-effectiveness rather than maximizing product quality.
Overall, if you value intellectual freedom more than anything, go into academia. If you invent something worth a patent in industry, the company's name goes on the patent, not the scientists who developed the product. In academia, all IPs are under your name, and this you get more notoriety. If I had the time and resources I would go back to do a Ph.D. and pursue an academic career. But for now, I'll be in the industry for the next few years
Exactly ownership over the work you’re doing everyday has an insanely huge impact on your drive and enjoyment of what you do, if you can block that out and like being a worker bee for a corporations profits go to academia
Building a career in academia does give you more noteriety as you said, in addition to broader knowledge and skills which can enable you to start your own business and make more money than you ever could as an employee for a corporation
How ironic that academics wish for their work to be useful and refuse to go into industry, yet industry research is what’s actually useful. It seems to me that academics just want to escape accountability.
Left my PhD with a masters due to a very toxic environment that academia can be sometimes, but looking back Academia is still so much better, starting out as a new grad you’re going to make just as much in academia as a tech or specialist, the freedom and ownership will impact you every single day, working to make a corporation profits is going to spoil your work and build resentment overtime
Well, I have done internships which were not paid, and now i regret it. As I felt I was being used for their work. I felt hurt but still didn't have courage to quit, as i was in dilemma what if i didn't get another one with good company name.
You're in such a good position! You're more likely to get a job now that you have experience
The question is... How do you do the least amount of time in Academia necessary to get into industry
Matt Ball couldn’t you just go straight from PhD to industry and avoid post doc which are geared for academia anyways ?
@@stephaniecantu6973 Yo! Ahh, yea technically.. but the competition is so fierce that you need many years experience Post a PhD and this is commonly gained through a PostDoc. I've asked this to some profs in the UK and they say a PostDoc is pretty standard... there's SO many qualified people with PhDs and a PostDoc is another way to trim the selection process down because industry pays better and has a better lifestyle for the most part (though, your job security can be shaky.. instead of no funding it's like whoops, upstairs just decided that our department is caving). Also.. approximately 11% of all jobs (prob +/- 6% or so) are in research. most industry jobs are in sales, consulting, lecturing, manufacturing or something related to business. For this sad reason, I've decided there's not really any path forward in research for me (studying neurology/neuroscience as a masters student) and i've been having a heck of a time look for alternatives. Statistically, I'm not the best nor the brightest, so in order to compete i'll have to dedicate so many years (of doing things I DONT want to be doing) just to remain Par. Designing the newest Jet is suuuuper cool too but I guess I have to swallow the pill that I won't be the one doing it (by analogy, coming up with a wild breakthrough for Parkinson's Disease)
Matt Ball this is discouraging to hear I’m sorry to hear that. I’m actually going to move to the UK this sep to do a masters in cancer biology and hoped to get a PhD in biomedical sciences or molecular sciences with a focus in cancer therapeutics or something like that. And I’m I want to go into industry work. But I’m not certain of the instability of the field that I’m thinking of backing out and try to get into medical school ( my original plan but I loved research). So idk. If worst comes to worse you can be a medical consultant or something right ?
watching this as senior undergrad bioengineering gives me horror of my future job! god engineering is hard major!
This video was EXTREMELY well done!!
thanks!
I wasn't expecting to fall in love watching YT, especially twice at the same time, gosh :')
One difference is: Industrial research is always "technological research", instead Academic research could be "technological research", "scientific research" or both
Nice thoughts but I have to disagree. In the research department of my company we did a lot of "scientific" research and not technological. I don't even think "technological" research exists because what kind of research is that? Research is mostly looking at the fundamental level so idk if this is a valid way to box the two categories
STEMinine Technological research is focus in develop applications of science in products to solving an specific society problem and that product could be marketing beyond the research time. For that reason companys usually do technological research, because majority of scientific research is very fundamental and not generate and not generate economic earnings immediately. Sometimes academia do both types of research, because the research solve a fundamental problem in a particular applied science and solve a society problem too, that could develop a product for the people or society.
I know so few companys that develop scientific research, like CERN do.
The motivation in accademia should be to expand knowledge, as opposite to find a solution for to an existing problem, or to make something more profitable. Profit should not matter in academia, this is my opinion
Correction: this is not an opinion.
is research in academia and industry similar? For example, I have heard that industry scientists apparently do not got as in depth with the science. How does research procedure differ in the two? For example in academia, it starts with 1) finding the unmet need 2) doing a literature review of the topic 3) setting up the experiment 4) collecting results 5) analysing results and writing the paper. Does industry research work that way or differently? I have heard that industry research doesn't involve doing the literature review and the paper writing part. Is that true?
7:17- That happened to me with Hyperloop research...
I have done PhD in physics and want to do a post doctorate but also want to get into industry after this. Please express your views.
Great video !! Really informative !!!
Hi great video, I couldn't see the FAQ, so I'd like to ask what industry companies you work or used to work for ? Thanks
Toby is the best!
How do human👥 civilizations evolve from Middle Dark Ages to Industrial🏭 Age and then onto Modern 20th and 21st century? Answering this question completely will help you to realize😃 the critical and crucial connection between a PhD📜 (in STEM 🧬📡field) and industry🏭.
"From where does the industry comes from?" Try answering it completely and on the spot under 10 seconds.
Academia is Greece. Industry is Rome. One sits around, thinking. The other gets up and creates practical solutions.
Hey Jess I have a question, in your opinion what are your thoughts about opportunities for a physics major vs engineering? In terms of employment, broadness, etc.
i badly required this video thank u❤❤
Industry research is much more rewarding, monetarily speaking.
Hi, i have a question?
did you take more courses to learn other skills?
I am a second year linguistics student. And I feel so confused, I would like to be a professor but the salaries for associate professors are at most 3000. But I do not know what can I do with my degree in industry. I wanna do masters in computational linguistics. Any advice????
Learn to code and work on voice assistant stuff
@@foggycraw6758 what is voice assistant? Also I am learning AI and then I am planning to learn phyton. What do u think
Look into NLP (Natural Language Processing)
So, you need a PhD to apply for a research work place in industry?
Im not sure about everywhere in the world but most places in Canada and the EU, yes
V HH no you can achieve this with your masters just your pay will be less and you’ll have less responsibilities autonomy etc
@@RiverTechJess how much do they pay
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What kind of job do you do where you get to clock off at 5 every day? Not a very good one
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9 to 5 ??? You probably worked for a Northern Europe company. That would explain why Europe is lagging behind.
In Mediatek Asia people work 996 and in China I heard is the same.
In India (I worked w/ one too) engineers are almost enslaved.
In US when a project starts you are allowed to do a bit of 9 to 5. But that is only b/c you just pushed hard in the previous project.
Sooner or later that 9 to 5 goes out the window, if not for nothing else, you either run or you are outpaced by the ferocious competition. Furthermore your boss in an Eng. and he makes the schedule based on you working hard, b/c his boss is an Eng. too that is pushing him also, and so on and so forth till the CEO. My CEO in US was always(!) an Engineer. 30% to 50% of a project is done in "sense of urgency" mode meaning you need to work ~10h/day (or more), do some weekends and in the last month is crushing time, like work all time while you're not asleep or eating, and do 9 to 5 on weekends.
If I knew what I know now I'd study to become the weather man, the only guy that can fail big and still keep his job. :)
justpaulo do you get fired if your projects are unsuccessful in industry?
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Yes. I have seen entire engineering teams being laid off. And believe me, they were reaaaaally good. They were just tackling a problem noone have ever tackled before, and they were just unfortunate and chose the path that was a dead end. No mercy for them though, despite the 2nd team actually used the previous unsuccess and learned lessons for their benefit and to actually succeed.
On another project I actually worked on it was the marketing/sales that was fired b/c it turns out he made us work (like dogs) in something that in the end he had no clients for. He might have misunderstood their needs, nevertheless during the actual project he claimed that he was losing millions of $$$ b/c of engineering delays.
The 2nd generation was canceled, but engineering was relocated to other projects and no engineer lost their job.
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Where did you get that idea.
What the hell? Bro check yourself, are you doing alright?
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