Why I Haven't Shot 3.5 inch Shotgun Shells in Years!
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- To me 3.5 inch shells are overrated for waterfowl hunting here in Ks. Northern big honkers its a different story, hope you all enjoy!
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love the yo yoy yoooooooo!
Only reason I use 3.5 inch shells
...is there aren't any 4 inch shells in 12 gauge
JD Kirane I like the way you think
You beat me to that comment.
@Chad Klaren I wish I was as tough as you.
Been killing birds 30 years. I quit using 3.5 inch shells when puberty ended. I don't need the biggest or baddest. I drop ducks all day with 2.75 shells. Sometimes I'll go to 3" on big Canadian Geese but as a rule I shoot 2.75 Bismuth
I just use a 10ga it dose them dirty
@@nikwietheoutdoors411 what shells?
I'll tell you what Bobby, it's a breath of fresh air watching your vids. I've been in the game for years, having your ability to share info is priceless. I, along with several less tech savvy folk, are thankful that you take the time to share a lot of need to know info. Yor positive attitude, humility and humbleness makes for a real blessing.
Thank you from Eastern Washington state.
FULL choke = FULL limit. Been my mantra from the lead days and stuck with it.
Brady Gies
I love number 2s even for geese. With a full choke them smaller pellets really cut through the down feathers
I use an old 12 gauge 2 3/4 inch shell and I do fine. 3s are great I just grew up on 2 3/4 inch so I just still use them. High brass 2 3/4 are just as good as 3s in my opinion.
Iv never needed a 3 1/2 up here in Canada 3" is plenty with full choke
The best thing you can do is pattern your shotgun with different chokes to see which holds the best pattern. A full choke in my Berretta leaves big holes in the pattern. Modified seems to work the best with all different shot sizes for me.
Chris Haarstad how fast is your load through the full choke? Pellet deformation is common in hot loads and a full choke (loads over 1300fps). High speed steel is a sales gimmick. I'll take denser patterns with less fliers over speed any day.
One thing to consider that's almost more important than your pattern is your shot string
lead shot deforms not steel shot and high speed steel shot hits harder. denser patterns and have high speed is what the 3.5" 12ga was made for cant have both in a 3" shell not enough room for shot and powder
Hey yo yo yo you can use 3 1/2 shells to for duck #2 and 3b or 2b for geese . It's a planty it's a heavy load more chance to hit
It all comes down to personal preference. I like having the capability to shoot the 3 1/2. It's also a mind game if you think you kill them better with 3 1/2 then keep shooting them. Also great video keep up the good work!
I agree 100%. Up here in northern Minnesota I drop plenty of greaters with a 3” BB shot and full choke. Best set up for sure, and good video bud!
My best load I have done is reloading high velocity ITX #4 shot. I think I use the 1 1/8 ounce bushing for three inch shells. The shot is almost as heavy as lead, soft, but holds up for higher velocities. It is nice to take down geese and ducks in one shot. Son has done good with 3” 20 gauge ITX as well. Tempted to cut 12 gauge loads to the 2 3/4” but concerned loss of velocity will not be as effective on range or geese.
I shoot 3” #3-4 x full Carlson’s chock tube. Only difference between close and far range for me is head shot close body shot far. What I found most people are missing because they’re afraid to shoot #4-6 shot.
I heard shooting steel BBs thru a full choke can damage your barrel... how do you always manage to use Full?
he doesn't own a beretta a400 or a rem versamax.
I live in Alberta, and---while I generally use a dedicated 12 Gauge goose gun--I have downed Big Canada's with 3 inch 20 gauge with number 2 steel at 30 to 35 yards with it. Right load for your gun, with a well pointed shot will get it done.
Glad he considered the northern birds like in Minnesota 3.5 are a definite or 3 inch t shot
That's why I love benelli because the sbe 3 can shoot any length of shot shell
A vid on jerk strings vs different motion decoys would be awesome
Team dux from upstate NY I run a mossberg with a stock modified and 2-3/4" or 3" bb federal blue box and I can repeatedly drop birds out to 50 yards and even farther sometimes but like you said practice is key. Keep up the videos brother I love em
What's the best blind that you hunt out of?
I shoot a Stoeger M3500 with 3.5 in. Hevi Metal #2s for mallards and big Canada’s all year in Ohio normally in sub zero temps. I actually save shells by doing this bc the plumage on the birds up here is so heavy that you just can’t kill birds stone cold without that 3.5 in. setup. We only hunt fields and the Ohio River big water so a lot of shots are passes at 40+ yards. Early goose season in September however I shoot the cheapest 3 inch I can find bc the birds barely have feathers. It basically all depends on how you hunt and where at. Great video man.
Could you do a video on what choke tube you use and how it patterns at different ranges
Will do
BobbyGuyFilms Ah Bro wish we lived near each other so we could do that video together. That's been my number one request from people is to do that breakdown and is the video I'm currently working on.
I know a old gent here that has a 8 ga shotgun that belonged to his Grandfather. Thing is a double gun with external hammers it fired a 3.25 in, 3.75 in and 4 in brass casing it would kill ducks out of a flock at 130 yards he said. Now I have a Remington Model 1100 12 ga. 30 inch barrel choke is full its only chambered in 2.75 inch, with #2 steel I can take ducks and geese out to 50 yards.
I shoot 3 inch #2s hevi steel from teals to snows with a extreme range hevi shot choke tube and have no issues with birds up here in minnesota. Great video.
Good combo!!
BobbyGuyFilms crumpled them from 5 feet to 50 yards....only draw back is got a bunch of teal or ringbills up close hugging decoys and jump up and knocking a few down you do blow the crap out of them. Had a flock of gwt last year come bombing in and without thinking jumped up shot and the first teal took a full pattern and actually shot back out from the force of the pattern hitting it. But I refuse to shoot 3.5 inch. There's no need for it imo unless your turkey hunting.
Hey Bobby should you use the shell your more comfortable with. I live in new york and I was using 3.5 inch shells with my benelli pump but only killed my limit one day a week
Here in ND as long as you’re not taking 50-70yd pot shots at giant and greater Canada’s you don’t need anything more than a 3” shell. I use a 20ga for everything nowadays and it works just fine as long as I’m selective with my shots.
low brass number 6 lead works better than any kind of steel
Agreed but that's illegal here and #9 tungsten does better than lead #4
Yeah lead is illegal in a lot of states because it is a toxic metal and can spread disease or poison birds and humans
I am trying to figure out if I should make my first shotgun a m3500 and m3000. I would like the option for 3.5 just because why not? I live at Grizzy Island California and want to hunt pheasants, duck, and deer to start off.
Best advice ever!! Shoot your full choke. Period. Practice with it daily... that’s the biggest game changer in hunting with a shotgun. I mean if you are turkey hunting you’ll want an XX or even XXX full, but I always use a full choke when shooting ducks and geese.
Thanks for the info.
The one thing hardly anyone mentions is what brand or model choke they are using.
As a third season waterfowler please keep the information coming
Gotcha will do my friend!!!!
I'm in canada late season goose hunting you get the big honkers. I use what ever is on sale 3.5 or 3 inch. I also take into consideration who I'm hunting with. Some guys I hunt with try and reach some guys like them close. At the end of the day nothing drops a big goose like a 3.5 inch 10 gauge
Some of my best hunts have been with 2 3/4
Btw, with ITX, I use either modified or improved modified. You will save $$ with ITX, but not sure I would use it on a high volume snow goose hunt. No need to swapping out loads between ducks and geese.
I’m from Minnesota at late season goose hunting, I’ve had birds take all 3 shots of 3.5 bb at 25 yds to the chest and they are still alive
Jake Mader u need a 10ga
@@nikwietheoutdoors411 4* and yes they do exist
Last year was my first year of actual consistent waterfowl hunting and I must say I am addicted. I went hunting at least 3 to 4 days out of the week and I only use a 3 1/2 inch shell probably five timesThroughout the entire season. I totally agree with you that you don’t need a 3 1/2 and she’ll kill ducks or Geese. I Actually just left a gun store about five minutes ago where I purchased me my first semi auto shotgun the Browning A5 we can swing chambered in 3 inches. Call can’t get your fast enough I am Addicted to waterfowl hunting. Thank you for all your tips and information you give Watertown hunters!!! You’re the man keep doing What you doing
I love my Patternmaster Goose tube. I was shooting trap at the 27 yard line with standard 1 1/8 oz loads. It was turning clays into black dust at 45 yards. For Canada's I like to put Hevi Shot B pellets down the tube if money isnt tight.
True that!! I’m the same! My fav is hevi steel
I have an 870 Super Mag but I don't shoot the 3.5" much anymore because my Benelli is chambered for 3" and it's cheaper to share ammo between the two.
I have the exact same opinion full choke with 3in is the way to go. Another great video Bobby keep up the good work. P.S I think the yo yo yo yo at the beginning of videos is you Signature style.
We will keep it then!!!
In your opinion, when it comes to duck's only would you use size 4 or 3 steel shot?
Bobby: you don't need 3 and a half shells
Me: yay
Bobby: unless you're in Minnesota
Me: :(((((((
lmao
My dad taught me to shoot all clays ( even skeet) with a full choke. Now I can hit anything. And I mean it
I agree with you about shooting a lot makes you better. I use to struggle on hitting birds but now getting a double is almost easy. This past snow goose season my dad and I bought 10 boxes of shells. Went through all 250 shells and started using 4 shot for the last day lol
Hahaha been there man!! I’ve smoked snows with 4s
Killed 23 on a solo jump in the snow lol. I could barely see😂. I could see 40 yards and they were 20 by my feet so i whacked quite a few
Kent 3in 1 3/8 oz 2 shot or bb kills everything!
When I started to really get into bird hunting I bought a stoeger m2000 (had 500 bucks to my name) that didn't shoot the 3.5 did just fine for the most part. Shot a friends Franchi and fell in love, bought the Intensity for the option of running 3.5. I think I've used one box of 3.5 in the field in the 4 years I've hunted with it. The only knock I can really have on my Franchi is the factory chokes didn't work for me. Bought a Carlson choke set and I always left my Long Range in. Even when creek jumping and upland hunting. Run 2s and BBs like you said.
Went and shot clays with my Mossberg 930 and tested out the IC, M, and F and was dusting the clays with the F. Ordered a Briley flush mounted IM and plan on using the crap out of that choke. Got some #6 steel to try on some early teal.
Nice !!!!!!!
We shoot sandhills all the time with 3” 2 shot. It knocks em dead. Skybusters keep the 3 1/2 inch shell manufacturers in business and they still don’t kill nothing
Hahahhahaahhaha
Joshua Darnell..What choke do you use with your shotgun. I've been shooting an old 12g bolt action goose gun for 20+years. Just purchased my first 12g pump that I can put chokes in. We are doing pass shooting.
Kc Rains we use full choke most of the time for geese and sand hills
I pick and choose what gun I bring. I have 10 gauge for when I wanna shoot honkers from a long ways and then when I’m shooting ducks I grab the 3 inch 12 gauge. Great info Bobby!
What is the best shotgun to shoot ducks and geese?
Interesting take on the full choke. I use improved cylinder for almost everything, even big geese sometimes.
CRAM Outdoors IC is just like a skeet or trap choke it doesn’t hold a tight pattern at all
I load my own 2 3/4 shells! Guess what I rarely use 3 inch anymore. You are exactly right practice and practice more, then you get confidence in your ability. That simple thing will make more difference than anything else. I've even limited out on Geese with my 20ga.
Well yeah you can shoot a limit of anything with just about any shotshell with the right loads I've done work on wood ducks and geese with 410 3 in and 5/8 oz 7.5 tss has DROPPED Canada geese at 60 yards it's about shooting what you're comfortable with cause that's what you shoot well
And we kill giant honkers here in Iowa and we kill them at 35-40 yards with 3 inch 2's but I really like running bb's with full choke
Agreed!!!!
Been hunting all types waterfowl for 55 years.Tried 10 guage ,12 guage 3.5 .My go to is 3in. Super 90 Benelli with #2 shot and improved modified choke for northern ducks and big geese.It waxes thier ass at 40 yds no problem.
Keep up the YoYoYo! My son and I love it :) He is almost 3 and anytime I'm watching RUclips he says "let's watch the YoYo Guy!" haha love it.
That’s amazing to hear man
I’ve been waterfowl hunting for a long time and have struggled with chokes. This video will help out a lot. Thank you!
you are right about full choke, i have remington 870 and when i started shooting with it i lost many birds because of modified choke so i installed carlssons full choke and i started to get ton of birds😅 sorry for bad english, im from finland.
Maybe you are using lead in this scenario but I’m pretty sure it’s not recommended to shoot steel through a full choke as it puts added pressure on the barrel and can cause damage to the lining of the barrel! Patternmaster chokes consider to be tight but are in fact modified to ensure safety as mod with steel equals full lead pattern
There are both patternmaster, Carlson and ect that except steel
BobbyGuyFilms are they the chokes that are designed to bulge instead of barrel because usually most full chokes say no steel and patternmaster steel shot chokes are only mod
My Carlson's lr creamator is designed for steel and lead
I’m old seeing this video, but thank you for it, still helps a year later!
Hey man, my son Marco is 14 and is hook/line/sinker with bird hunting. IYHO, should he just stick to 3'' shells for geese? 3.5'' might me too much for him, right? Thanks, MJ
I been hunting my whole life but never waterfowl until this month, I fell in love after my first teal went down. I'm addicted now!!! I'm going to do more waterfowl hunting then bow hunting this year.. you're channel definitely catches me up, also great sense of humor
I could use some knowledge on shot size and what to choose for ducks. Why #3 or say 2 or 4. Velocity, important?
There's a lot of information out there saying you shouldn't use a full choke with steel shot bigger than 4ish. I guess the steel shot can get pinched in the choke and cause you'r barrel to bulge behind the choke due to pressure. Your thoughts?
What's funny is the long range carlsons choke you have in that gun says no shot larger than 2 stamped on it!
I shot 3.5s like 12 times out of my 870. Sometines id have to take the barell out to take the shell out but put extra lube and it came out on its own. Probly shouldnt do that? The kick is a lil stronger.
I hunt central Florida and teal hunt with 3 1/2 in. number threes with improved cylinder. I don’t like eating steel pellets
Good informational video. I made this mistake for the last 6 years until this last year when I used only 3” shells in 2 shot. Doubled my shooting percentage Bc I finally got used to one choke, one shell, and picked my shots out.
Nice vid Bobby I never shoot 31/2s either I had an old man tell me once if there close enough you can kill em with any thing. Keep em coming bobby
Very bold and true statement!!! He’s right
Very true! Just dropped a couple honkers with 12 gauge 2 3/4 #2 shot out of a modified choke.
From the time I was 12 to 16 I shot all my birds with a youth model 20ga 870 with 2 3/4 #2s if u can shoot and get them in closer then 50 yds then u can kill em
Is there a full that is recommend for steel and lead? All full I've seen day not to use steel on full... modified apparently is supposed full pattern steel... but I haven't patterned it myself to see
My hunting buddy only uses Kent 3" 3's 1550 fps with a modified choke and that's all he needs, I've seen him make some 60 + yard shots and even kill two birds with one shot many times. . What works best for me are Kent 3.5 3's 1625 fps with a ported Hevi shot mid range choke. I think it's really what works best for you and what you feel the most confident using.
Here in North Dakota hunting the giant Canadians I've always had best luck with 3 1/2 BBB high velocity loads!
10 gauge with T shot. That's what I want. I would want a gun that's at least 9.5 lbs If I were to shoot over 1.5 oz loads on a regular basis. For me 3.5" shells are just too much muzzle jump and kick in guns under 9 lbs. Reloading is the only way to go with 10 gauge. For one the factory loading and availability suck. 2nd the hulls just cost too damn much to buy every time you fire. Someday, someday.
i just found your channel... I am glad you said what you said about the choke, my vinci only shoots 3" also and I live in ND where we do get big honkers, I watch guys shooting 3.5" shells all the time wing birds because they don't shoot a full choke or the more than full chokes made by carlsons. I personally shoot the black cloud choke and love it, from partridge to cranes, the only thing I take it out for is doves.
I shoot the franchi affinity too and it’s the best shotgun I’ve ever owned and I even had the SBE1 made by H&K and it was just too expensive to do the things I do with my franchi
I shoot a Remington 870 super mag with an extended modified choke and it patterns good at 30-40 yards
3 1/2" do not pattern worth a crap in my SBE2. Factory crio modified with federal blue box hold the best pattern FOR ME. I have tested patternmasters and carlsons, but the ole factory choke works best for me.
All about what works best
you should do a video on whats in you blind bag, the wants and needs
It’ll be coming
Always include toilet paper and trail mix!
I just got a pattern master goose for my benelli because I was tired of wounding ducks. We'll see how it goes.
I'm always able to get my geese within 30 yards with a modified with 3" BBB
Late season sitting outside of the decoys 3” are a dang life save for geese. That’s when a 3.5” kicks ass
I'm prety sure there is no powder difference in the magnum loads 1050 bar is max in a 12 gauge round only difference is pellet count an please correct me if I'm wrong but in all great videos
I also avidly shoot skeet and sporting Clay's. Every Tuesday and Friday nights skeet and Sundays 100 round sporting clay course. All shot with full choke.
I shoot a benelli super black Eagle 12 with a 3 1/2 inch Number four shot with a full choke,unless in shooting doves,then I shoot two and three-quarter inch number eight shot.
I use 3 1/2 B.B. for honkers but I don’t get very many so I maybe use 2 boxes a season if that.
31/2 or 3 inch have the same power, if the speed is 1450 ft per sec for both shells, the power is the exact same for each shell. yes more pellets for 31/2 but the pellets are at the same speed
This info works for crow hunting too, to many guys use a open choke with small shot size. Use the full choke with #5s and watch your kill rate double.
What barrel length do you run on the Franchi, 26 or 28? Does it matter that much?
There is also the change in attitudes to WADS.
It is becoming more obvious that in Europe lead is dead.
Now the next target are plastic wads being replaced by green wads
One way to make like difficult is to mandate green wads.
These in general don't work with steel and other non tox as you lose on internal volume to give protection to barrels etc.
So, there is an above average chance that in the future we may be using 3.5" shells but with 3" magnum loads....
agree, but i dont shoot BB out of a full. to much shot constriction in my opinion. i havent shot 3.5 in years, dont need them. on another note i still buy a 3.5 gun for two reasons. turkey hunting I still shoot 3.5 shells. and also if you happen to run out of shells on a hunt and all your friends shoot 3.5 then your outta luck. if you have the capability then you can borrow shells. I love hevi metal shells and hevi shot chokes out of my maxus. 2s for ducks and BB for geese
What brand of full choke to you run? I was told not to shoot steel in my franchi with a full choke. Great video man!
Only use 3.5 inch shells for home defense with a full choke 3 shot
Just a question. I agree with a lot of what your saying but if you went from 2 3/4” to 3” you must have done it for a reason. You mentioned cost, well 2 3/4” is cheaper than 3”
And if your saying you don’t need 3 1/2”. Then do you need 3”?
I’ve killed lots of geese with
2 3/4” also.
If your shooting a ton “I mean a ton” as you say it, then the money is not a factor your already spending lots.
Now I agree with you 3” is great she’ll, but if cost is your factor just buy 2 3/4”
3 1/2 inch, more shot and with a back bore barrel better patterns. What more can you say?
I'd be interested if you did a season with an affinity 20ga. I bought the winchester sxp and really, really love it in a 20 ga...hammer pheasant, grouse, ducks, but haven't found a great shot for geese. Even if you didn't do a season with a 20, I'd be really interested if you did some solid goose hunting with a 20 and found the best load to help the rest of us. I only shoot MAX out to 40 yards----but I don't want to have to think about it. i.e.....find the best 20ga load for geese out to 40 yards. That'd be a great challenge.
I always used 2 and bb as well, two years I made a switch to #1s and throw them at everything, with no notice of any disadvantaged with big/little ducks or geese and seems to mayyyyyyyybe kinda sorta be working better on geese , my only theory for this is perhaps the slightly smaller projectile is penetrating better/deeper and is big enough to still carry out that bit better than 2s 3s 4s or 5s like a bb or bbb would , just feels like the #1s have given me such a great "happy medium" and is so simple.
So any thoughts on using turkey chokes?
Hey bobby listen BB’s are great and all but I live up in Canada and I swear buy 2 and 4 shoot for EVERYTHING I have killed massive Canada’s out at 60 yards with my beretta A300 with a improved modified choke running browning BXD ammo it’s much cheaper up here than the Winchester blindsided or the federal black cloud and it kills them just as good hope the advice helps.
I agree! I use 2 shot quite a bit
Yes 2 is a great shot but I don’t think I made my self clear I have killed many Canada geese with 4 shot out at 60 yards with that configuration
I reload 3.5" because the manufacturers don't seem to understand the reason for the 3.5"... Added VELOCITY. You don't need anything heavier than 1-1/4 for ducks/geese. 3.5" 1-1/8 going 1600+ FPS with #2 for ducks and BB for geese.
Can u do a vid on the difference between 26in and 28in shotgun barrel
I am in California and we are mandated to use steel shots. I know, we are screwed. But, can you do a video about how a steel shot and different choke play with?
sbcb178 the whole country has been required to shoot steel since the early 90s, just make sure you have a choke that is fine to shoot with steel shot, I know the chokes that came with my A5 won’t allow steel through the full but my cremators let me shoot steel through the full/long range
Do a video on how to get ducks to decoy better
I know I'm going to piss people off. But I don't water fowl hunt. But I do Turkey hunt and I can agree with you on the 3 1/2".
I used to think it had to be 3 1/2" or I wasn't Turkey hunting. I spent the extra money on the 3 1/2" chambered shotgun and shell and now I NEVER use them. I use 3" Magnum Turkey loads and a Turkey extra Full choke. Last year I took two Turkey with one shot. Ended my hunt with only one shell fired.
I only ever use 3 inch , if I want or need to go 3 1/2 inch I just bring out the mighty 10 gauge , no matter what all a 3 1/2 inch 12 gauge is , is a 1o gauge wannbe