Great video guys I’m using the rip TKO 300 spine at 495 grain arrows with the Hyde evolution good out to 90 yards we shooting coues bucks from 50-90 yards
Cool video. But I think it all depends on where and how you hunt and the game you hunt for arrow weights. No wrong answers one way or the other whatever works for you and gives you confidence and clean kills.
We agree 100% we’ve shot anywhere from 365 grains up to 645 haha and it really does depend on your own set up, what your hunting for and how far your shooting or if your able to get a precise range or not. We sure are liking this mid weight arrow set up! Thank you for watching ☺️
You will love the new set up, I ran an archery shop for a number of years and have archery hunted for 40 years and have always have pushed the limit of light arrow and speed. I used to shoot a Hoyt super tech that drew 87Lbs ani shot arrows that were 7.2gr an inch my draw length is right around 27 to 28 inches and shot thru everything with that bow. I short an elk at 76 yards and it didn’t even flinch on its way thru. Around 400grains was the heaviest arrow I would shoot! Can’t wait for the archery videos to come. Love you guys and you will love the new setups. Great job on all the research you did. No they won’t unscrew any more than the other way! The biggest thing is they almost rattle loose if anything, for hunting set up you can run the week thread locker if ya wanted just a tiny dot on the threads but not needed! Love you guys so much❤ Don’t listen to the haters/naysayers I would shoot light over heavy for any animal up to a moose! You guys are on the right track!
Thank you so much Matt! Thats awesome you used to own an archery shop! We have slowly gone heavier and heavier over the years and its nice to back off the weight for sure! We both use 5 pin sliding sights (spot Hogg) and have our pins set at 30-40-50-60-70 and are able to slide out to 120+ with our new set ups! Which is so awesome for 3-D shoots and the extra yardage without having to move out sights will be sweet for open country, spot and stalk pronghorn! I just shot a whitetail buck, only had time to range a bush as I was on the ground and there was no definite trail he was going to take. I ended up having to guess the yardage some and merp to stop him making him aware of my presence. I shot him for a 48 yard heart shot and even though he did string jump I was able to hit high lung. Had that been my old set up it would have been too slow to hit him well with his quick reaction. I also would not have felt comfortable guessing the yardage. My 442 grain arrow zipped through him like hot butter. It was incredible (we will be posting a vid of this hunt soon) I think we are on the right track and watching videos testing penetration, the difference in penetration between a 350/450/550/650 grain arrow was actually close to zero. so despite what people often think, those heavier arrows actually aren't penetrating any better. I think FOC and speed make a huge difference and of course having everything tuned well. As far as loudness of the lighter arrows, my ears don't pick up any difference between my old 561 and my new 442 grain arrows, I don't have as good of hearing as a deer, but I don't think its going to make much of a difference, my old bow versus my new bow is a bigger difference in noise than the arrow weight itself haha! To each their own for sure, but I am with you... a flatter trajectory and faster speed sure seems to be the ticket when your spot and stalk hunting on the ground and cant always get a precise range. 87lb draw with that light of an arrow I bet that was one heck of a set up! Thank you for watching! We really appreciate the support :) -Alyssa
at least you guys went middle of the road with weight, and you actually tried a heavier arrow. most people won’t try it, and the rest will go to the drastic lightweight after trying heavy.
Thanks for watching! We’ve slowly gone heavier and heavier over the years and have shot as light as 365 several years ago. But I think in the last couple of years we crossed the point of diminishing returns on arrow weight with our set ups, so we are dialing it back a bit lol. We don’t think heavy or light is wrong, just depends on your set up and what you’re hunting. For us, with our current set ups I think we found what should work awesome! ☺️👍🏼
This is a great video. For any hunting style that requires unknown exact ranges (preset stands and feeders) then range forgiveness is huge. Animal reaction times must be accounted for as well. Middle weight arrows and normal setups aren't sexy but they are likely the best setup for most.
Thank you so much! I totally agree… we’ve shot on both ends of the spectrum, and we feel super good settling more in the middle! 😊 Thanks for taking time to watch and for leaving a nice comment!
good video, and you have come round to nearly the same arrow set up as me , Victory VAPS, AAE max vanes but i only use titanium insets n they are only 95g.... good luck on your adventures and you got a new follower👍🏹
So far we are really impressed with Victory’s products! I had heard that the Xtreme velocities are easily broken, but I just shot one through a whitetail buck with no damage done to the arrow or components. I was impressed with them! Sounds like you have an awesome set up!! Thank you so much for watching, commenting and for the sub! ☺️ we really appreciate it!
I always learn something from you guys great video. I think this is the first time you've film inside your home if that is where you are and is that a sheep head behind you guys and who got it glad you're doing well subscriptions are up you've got some ads you're very deserving kind people thanks kray
Thanks Kray! Haha yep that’s inside our home, it’s hard to get good lighting in there but hopefully we did alright. It’s a pronghorn antelope that Jason got a few years ago with his bow ☺️👍🏼 but I just finally mounted it for him lol better late that never! We are so thankful for all the views and subscriptions, it blows our minds that anyone cares to watch. We sure feel blessed to have met so many amazing people through this platform, like you! Thanks for your continued support! We will get some more rifle/handgun videos out just for you haha! ☺️👍🏼 -Alyssa
That was absolutely fun! It's amazing what technology has changed in 60 years you guys just make it fun as always keep it up. Keep having fun and God bless❤
Thanks!! We felt it was time, we can’t WAIT for next September!!! These Mathew’s Lifts are legit! And with the new arrow set up, it’s WAY faster, quieter and flatter shooting than our old bows!
Fun and best of luck with the new bows and those speedy arrows. I liked to start hunting with a bow again but I need my shoulder to heal after my ego got the better of me doing weighted dips after a prior injury. 😮
Thank you! They already made a HUGE difference when it came time for the shot to count on the whitetail we just got. Darn it! Hope it heals up and you’re shooting again in no time!
It's not just the weight of the arrow causing the drop, it's the high foc causing the arrow to nose dive. Even if both arrows weighed the same but one was 11% foc and one was 17% foc, the 17% arrow would drop much faster than the 11%. 10% foc is all you need. You should try lowering your foc from 16% and you will see much better trajectory. I have some 420grain sonics at 17% and some fmj at 10.7%, and at 20 yards the heavier fmj arrows hit the target 6 inches higher than the lighter but high foc sonics
Thank you!! Yeah we didn’t talk broadheads, we are going to try a mechanical on deer/pronghorn and will be using the G5 dead meats (spoiler alert if you haven’t seen the video… I already shot a whitetail buck with this set up and holy cow those broadheads do work 😳) In the past we always used fix blades and have used Kudu points for years. But for elk this coming year I think we are going to invest in Iron Wills.
@@MTN_BUILT I’m in a tree right now and just rattled in nice 8pt to 2 yards and couldn’t get a shot. Oh well I’ve got Deadmeats on now , but dang dang dang couldn’t get a shot. Sitting with Mathews VXR in saddle.
@ oh heck yeah that’s so exciting!! I’m a big fan of those dead meats now. Idk where you’re at, but are the bucks starting to think about rutting?? We head back in just a few days to try and get Tom a rifle buck and Jason and archery buck! Well good luck! I’ve never tried one of those tree saddles but they seem like a slick set up! Hoping a big old massy 10 pt with a dropper comes in grunting and stands there for you to get a shot!!!🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
@@T-Mak-s7x dang it!! Well hopefully that didn’t work out because you’re going to get a shot at a nicer one! Good to hear they’re wound up! Nothing quite like hunting in the rut!
I dont do bow hunting...fact we're not allowed to here could figure into that equation. So its rifles for us. Though bullets would look super cool fletched. But regardless, gotta commend you guys on replying so fully to peoples comments. That would take time and no mean feat. Enjoyed the video. Looking forward to one on your rifles. Feel theres maybe a story behind Alyssas old school wood stocked bang stick.
Haha! I agree- a fletched cartridge would look pretty cool! 😊 Thank you for the kind comment! Keep your eye out for a range episode- we’re planning to do one sometime soon, but it may be hidden by the good ol’ YT algorithm lol 😊
Thank you so much! We are hoping to have these bows for another 8-10 years like our old ones haha unless we get sponsored, they are very expensive to buy! These were definitely a HUGE upgrade to the ones we had before! ☺️
hi jason. hi alyssa. thank you for this inciteful video. you two are creating amazing content, and i just noticed your sub count, and i must say, it is great to see your channel exploding. and deservedly so. i think i came in when you were a little over 10K, and here you are, a couple hundred shy of 40K. in no time, i suspect, when you are filming interior content, there is going to be a silver PLAY button hanging on the wall. my sister's boyfriend, in the canadian province of Ontario, is a hunter, both rifle and crossbow. he took down a deer last week with his cross bow. not sure how advanced of a crossbow hunter he is, but i am going to copy and paste your link here, and forward it on to him. i am sure he will be interested in this video, and particularly your experiments with arrow weight vs accuracy vs distance. anyway, jason and alyssa, keep up the great work, the great content, and we all look forward to more. any thoughts on a live stream?
Wow! Thank you SO MUCH for the kind and encouraging comment! We really appreciate you taking the time to write all of that 😊 Huge congrats to your sister’s boyfriend! I bet he’s pumped to have all that meat for the freezer, and I bet that was an awesome experience, taking it with a crossbow! Good for him! 😊🙌🏼 We had never thought of a Q&A livestream, but that’s such a fun idea! We should definitely do that one of these days! Thanks again for watching and taking time to leave such a nice comment! Have a great evening! 😊
It would’ve been interesting to see the difference if you were to shoot each arrow at like 30 yards then shooting the same arrow at 30 yards but using your 40 yard pin
We definitely will! Working on editing our next video right now, it will be a whitetail hunt with this new set up! So far we are loving it. We have another archery whitetail tag to fill yet so hopefully we will have another vid out showing that hunt 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Y'all be speaking french, know nothing about bow hunting. I know more than i did know. I do know my bow string is louder, 325 wsm lol. Serious question now, bear in mind i have no knowledge of stick and string hunting. Is the string noise of your bows loud? Great video. Hope your bow hunting is very successful Alyssa and Jason.
Haha! Well that’s a super good question! The string definitely makes noise as the bow goes off, but there are some people who think the more significant noise comes from the arrow flying through the air towards the target. I don’t know which matters more, but I have a feeling it’s some kind of combination 😊 Thanks so much for watching and taking time to leave nice comments! We really appreciate it! 😊
Taking 60-yard shots at elk with a bow is generally considered unethical and risky by most bowhunters because at such a long distance, the margin for error is significantly high, increasing the chance of a poor hit, wounding the animal, and making a clean kill difficult, even for highly skilled archers; the ideal bowhunting strategy is to get as close as possible to the animal before taking a shot, typically within a much shorter range. Key reasons why taking long-distance bow shots at elk is discouraged: Accuracy concerns: At 60 yards, even a slight deviation in arrow placement can result in a non-lethal hit, potentially causing suffering to the animal. Elk movement: Elk are large and can easily move their vital organs away from the aiming point at the moment of release, especially if they are alerted to the shot. Ethical considerations: Bowhunting is traditionally considered a close-range hunting method, and taking long-distance shots can be seen as pushing the boundaries of ethical hunting practices.
anyone boasting about taking longer distant shots on live animals makes you sound incompetent of understanding the ethical concerns surrounding your claims.
Wow! While I appreciate you taking the time to write all this, I respectfully disagree. With today’s tools and technology, a 60 yard shot at an elk who is unaware seems very ethical- assuming you’ve taken time to dial in your equipment and practice. Hunting is one of our life passions, and we practice out to 70+ yards consistently. I’m not saying everyone’s effective range should be 60 yards, I but I feel comfortable saying it’s our effective range. Good luck to you on your future hunting adventures, and again, thanks for sharing your thoughts- they’re valuable, for sure!
Great video. That said, first of all, one cannot build an arrow that is faster than an animal's reaction, especially at 50-yards. Second, whatever weight you remove, you increase the noise that your bow generates (see DIY Sportsman), which increases the likelihood that an animal will react to your shot. Third, you detail the terminal performance of your heavy arrows (with the elk and pronghorn performance), yet are willing to trade it away for trajectory gains, even though you make the use of laser rangefinders. Interesting rationale.
Those are such great points! And we’ve definitely thought about all of them… that’s a big reason why we dropped to a moderate weight instead of to light weight arrows. We’re thinking that we’ll have similar penetration with better trajectory, and Alyssa just shot a buck with her new setup last week… the arrow zipped through the buck extremely quickly, and buried in the dirt behind the buck. Your point about rangefinders is well received and they’re an invaluable tool. But our experience has been that animals rarely stand still long enough to get an exact range- especially elk. We usually wind up ranging a bush or some kind of landmark, and then we estimate based on that known point. The flat trajectory on our new setups will be a huge positive in that type of situation. I think there’s a point of diminishing returns with arrow weight, and I think it’s probably around 500 grains. I’m no expert- that’s just my feeling 😊 I really appreciate you taking time to share your opinion though! Happy hunting! 👊🏼
So the trajectory test is not accurate. Of course the 2 arrows will have different impacts. Shooting the heavy arrow with the sights set for the light arrow will absolutely be different. To correctly do that test shoot each arrow from a properly sighted in setup for that specific arrow. Then shoot at a distance past what you’re shooting for. So say you use 50 yds shoot the heavy arrow properly sighted for 50 then shoot at 60 yds while using your 50 yard pin. Now you’re truly measuring the difference. Do the same test with both arrows
You’re spot on, and I actually mention that at the end of the video. We were just simply comparing the trajectories, or drop, of two different arrow setups 😊
@@jerrypoling3106 lol yes but what if your at full draw in sight now and that animal moves? You have to guess or risk letting down and re-ranging. 🤷🏼♀️ we shot heavy arrows for years so we aren’t against them, but they have some cons like this one that we got tired of.
Great video guys I’m using the rip TKO 300 spine at 495 grain arrows with the Hyde evolution good out to 90 yards we shooting coues bucks from
50-90 yards
Thank you! That’s awesome! And that’s a heck of an effective range! 😊👊🏼
We’d love to make a trip down south and hunt coues bucks one day!
@ very cool switched critters they disappear in a blink of an eye I recommend that hunt 👌🏽🙌🏽
Nice job on talking about the different set upon arrows . Totally crazy how the new bows perform. Crazy fast..
🇺🇸🇺🇸👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks John!! Man these new bows are crazy! Such a huge upgrade and the arrow set up we are running is so much better for us!
Cool video. But I think it all depends on where and how you hunt and the game you hunt for arrow weights. No wrong answers one way or the other whatever works for you and gives you confidence and clean kills.
We agree 100% we’ve shot anywhere from 365 grains up to 645 haha and it really does depend on your own set up, what your hunting for and how far your shooting or if your able to get a precise range or not. We sure are liking this mid weight arrow set up! Thank you for watching ☺️
You will love the new set up, I ran an archery shop for a number of years and have archery hunted for 40 years and have always have pushed the limit of light arrow and speed. I used to shoot a Hoyt super tech that drew 87Lbs ani shot arrows that were 7.2gr an inch my draw length is right around 27 to 28 inches and shot thru everything with that bow. I short an elk at 76 yards and it didn’t even flinch on its way thru. Around 400grains was the heaviest arrow I would shoot! Can’t wait for the archery videos to come. Love you guys and you will love the new setups. Great job on all the research you did. No they won’t unscrew any more than the other way! The biggest thing is they almost rattle loose if anything, for hunting set up you can run the week thread locker if ya wanted just a tiny dot on the threads but not needed! Love you guys so much❤
Don’t listen to the haters/naysayers I would shoot light over heavy for any animal up to a moose! You guys are on the right track!
Thank you so much Matt! Thats awesome you used to own an archery shop! We have slowly gone heavier and heavier over the years and its nice to back off the weight for sure! We both use 5 pin sliding sights (spot Hogg) and have our pins set at 30-40-50-60-70 and are able to slide out to 120+ with our new set ups! Which is so awesome for 3-D shoots and the extra yardage without having to move out sights will be sweet for open country, spot and stalk pronghorn!
I just shot a whitetail buck, only had time to range a bush as I was on the ground and there was no definite trail he was going to take. I ended up having to guess the yardage some and merp to stop him making him aware of my presence. I shot him for a 48 yard heart shot and even though he did string jump I was able to hit high lung. Had that been my old set up it would have been too slow to hit him well with his quick reaction. I also would not have felt comfortable guessing the yardage. My 442 grain arrow zipped through him like hot butter. It was incredible (we will be posting a vid of this hunt soon)
I think we are on the right track and watching videos testing penetration, the difference in penetration between a 350/450/550/650 grain arrow was actually close to zero. so despite what people often think, those heavier arrows actually aren't penetrating any better. I think FOC and speed make a huge difference and of course having everything tuned well.
As far as loudness of the lighter arrows, my ears don't pick up any difference between my old 561 and my new 442 grain arrows, I don't have as good of hearing as a deer, but I don't think its going to make much of a difference, my old bow versus my new bow is a bigger difference in noise than the arrow weight itself haha!
To each their own for sure, but I am with you... a flatter trajectory and faster speed sure seems to be the ticket when your spot and stalk hunting on the ground and cant always get a precise range.
87lb draw with that light of an arrow I bet that was one heck of a set up!
Thank you for watching! We really appreciate the support :)
-Alyssa
at least you guys went middle of the road with weight, and you actually tried a heavier arrow.
most people won’t try it, and the rest will go to the drastic lightweight after trying heavy.
Thanks for watching! We’ve slowly gone heavier and heavier over the years and have shot as light as 365 several years ago. But I think in the last couple of years we crossed the point of diminishing returns on arrow weight with our set ups,
so we are dialing it back a bit lol. We don’t think heavy or light is wrong, just depends on your set up and what you’re hunting. For us, with our current set ups I think we found what should work awesome! ☺️👍🏼
This is a great video. For any hunting style that requires unknown exact ranges (preset stands and feeders) then range forgiveness is huge. Animal reaction times must be accounted for as well.
Middle weight arrows and normal setups aren't sexy but they are likely the best setup for most.
Thank you so much! I totally agree… we’ve shot on both ends of the spectrum, and we feel super good settling more in the middle! 😊
Thanks for taking time to watch and for leaving a nice comment!
good video, and you have come round to nearly the same arrow set up as me , Victory VAPS, AAE max vanes but i only use titanium insets n they are only 95g.... good luck on your adventures and you got a new follower👍🏹
So far we are really impressed with Victory’s products! I had heard that the Xtreme velocities are easily broken, but I just shot one through a whitetail buck with no damage done to the arrow or components. I was impressed with them! Sounds like you have an awesome set up!! Thank you so much for watching, commenting and for the sub! ☺️ we really appreciate it!
i like the detail.. im shooting the rip tko 300 spine as well with iron will inserts and collars. they are tough and have worked really well.
Oh that’s awesome! We’re sure excited about them, and Alyssa’s worked EXTREMELY WELL on her whitetail hunt last week 😊
I always learn something from you guys great video. I think this is the first time you've film inside your home if that is where you are and is that a sheep head behind you guys and who got it glad you're doing well subscriptions are up you've got some ads you're very deserving kind people thanks kray
Thanks Kray! Haha yep that’s inside our home, it’s hard to get good lighting in there but hopefully we did alright.
It’s a pronghorn antelope that Jason got a few years ago with his bow ☺️👍🏼 but I just finally mounted it for him lol better late that never!
We are so thankful for all the views and subscriptions, it blows our minds that anyone cares to watch. We sure feel blessed to have met so many amazing people through this platform, like you!
Thanks for your continued support! We will get some more rifle/handgun videos out just for you haha! ☺️👍🏼
-Alyssa
@MTN_BUILT thanks I always look forward to your videos and seeing you guys thanks kray
That was absolutely fun! It's amazing what technology has changed in 60 years you guys just make it fun as always keep it up. Keep having fun and God bless❤
Thank you!! We are having a blast with our new boss! It really is amazing how quickly the technology improves 😊
AWSOME …!! New setups
Thanks!! We felt it was time, we can’t WAIT for next September!!! These Mathew’s Lifts are legit! And with the new arrow set up, it’s WAY faster, quieter and flatter shooting than our old bows!
Fun and best of luck with the new bows and those speedy arrows. I liked to start hunting with a bow again but I need my shoulder to heal after my ego got the better of me doing weighted dips after a prior injury. 😮
Thank you! They already made a HUGE difference when it came time for the shot to count on the whitetail we just got.
Darn it! Hope it heals up and you’re shooting again in no time!
@@MTN_BUILT Thank you and I will keep my ego in check. I hope…
😂👍🏼
Great work guys!
Thanks Michael! We appreciate that!
It's not just the weight of the arrow causing the drop, it's the high foc causing the arrow to nose dive. Even if both arrows weighed the same but one was 11% foc and one was 17% foc, the 17% arrow would drop much faster than the 11%. 10% foc is all you need. You should try lowering your foc from 16% and you will see much better trajectory. I have some 420grain sonics at 17% and some fmj at 10.7%, and at 20 yards the heavier fmj arrows hit the target 6 inches higher than the lighter but high foc sonics
Super interesting take! We’ll have to do some testing 😊
Thanks for taking time to share your results!
Great info and video. I did not catch broadheads you’ll be shooting? Arrow video so doesn’t matter but I was curious? I did hear weights 125 & 100.
Thank you!! Yeah we didn’t talk broadheads, we are going to try a mechanical on deer/pronghorn and will be using the G5 dead meats (spoiler alert if you haven’t seen the video… I already shot a whitetail buck with this set up and holy cow those broadheads do work 😳)
In the past we always used fix blades and have used Kudu points for years. But for elk this coming year I think we are going to invest in Iron Wills.
@@MTN_BUILT I’m in a tree right now and just rattled in nice 8pt to 2 yards and couldn’t get a shot. Oh well I’ve got Deadmeats on now , but dang dang dang couldn’t get a shot. Sitting with Mathews VXR in saddle.
@ oh heck yeah that’s so exciting!! I’m a big fan of those dead meats now. Idk where you’re at, but are the bucks starting to think about rutting?? We head back in just a few days to try and get Tom a rifle buck and Jason and archery buck! Well good luck! I’ve never tried one of those tree saddles but they seem like a slick set up! Hoping a big old massy 10 pt with a dropper comes in grunting and stands there for you to get a shot!!!🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
@ Michigan & bucks kind of wound up big time. All he had to do was keep walking but nope! Turned went where I had no shot and walked away. Dang it.
@@T-Mak-s7x dang it!! Well hopefully that didn’t work out because you’re going to get a shot at a nicer one! Good to hear they’re wound up! Nothing quite like hunting in the rut!
I dont do bow hunting...fact we're not allowed to here could figure into that equation. So its rifles for us. Though bullets would look super cool fletched. But regardless, gotta commend you guys on replying so fully to peoples comments. That would take time and no mean feat. Enjoyed the video. Looking forward to one on your rifles. Feel theres maybe a story behind Alyssas old school wood stocked bang stick.
Haha! I agree- a fletched cartridge would look pretty cool! 😊
Thank you for the kind comment! Keep your eye out for a range episode- we’re planning to do one sometime soon, but it may be hidden by the good ol’ YT algorithm lol 😊
Congratulations on the new bows
Hope you guys get lots of years out of them an some good hunting memories
Great video
Thank you so much! We are hoping to have these bows for another 8-10 years like our old ones haha unless we get sponsored, they are very expensive to buy! These were definitely a HUGE upgrade to the ones we had before! ☺️
Awesome stuff! 👌 😊
Thank you so much! 😊
hi jason. hi alyssa. thank you for this inciteful video. you two are creating amazing content, and i just noticed your sub count, and i must say, it is great to see your channel exploding. and deservedly so. i think i came in when you were a little over 10K, and here you are, a couple hundred shy of 40K. in no time, i suspect, when you are filming interior content, there is going to be a silver PLAY button hanging on the wall. my sister's boyfriend, in the canadian province of Ontario, is a hunter, both rifle and crossbow. he took down a deer last week with his cross bow. not sure how advanced of a crossbow hunter he is, but i am going to copy and paste your link here, and forward it on to him. i am sure he will be interested in this video, and particularly your experiments with arrow weight vs accuracy vs distance. anyway, jason and alyssa, keep up the great work, the great content, and we all look forward to more. any thoughts on a live stream?
Wow! Thank you SO MUCH for the kind and encouraging comment! We really appreciate you taking the time to write all of that 😊
Huge congrats to your sister’s boyfriend! I bet he’s pumped to have all that meat for the freezer, and I bet that was an awesome experience, taking it with a crossbow! Good for him! 😊🙌🏼
We had never thought of a Q&A livestream, but that’s such a fun idea! We should definitely do that one of these days!
Thanks again for watching and taking time to leave such a nice comment! Have a great evening! 😊
It would’ve been interesting to see the difference if you were to shoot each arrow at like 30 yards then shooting the same arrow at 30 yards but using your 40 yard pin
That would’ve been a really good way to do it!
Please let us know how that works out for you.
We definitely will! Working on editing our next video right now, it will be a whitetail hunt with this new set up! So far we are loving it. We have another archery whitetail tag to fill yet so hopefully we will have another vid out showing that hunt 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼
Y'all be speaking french, know nothing about bow hunting. I know more than i did know. I do know my bow string is louder, 325 wsm lol. Serious question now, bear in mind i have no knowledge of stick and string hunting. Is the string noise of your bows loud? Great video. Hope your bow hunting is very successful Alyssa and Jason.
Haha! Well that’s a super good question! The string definitely makes noise as the bow goes off, but there are some people who think the more significant noise comes from the arrow flying through the air towards the target. I don’t know which matters more, but I have a feeling it’s some kind of combination 😊
Thanks so much for watching and taking time to leave nice comments! We really appreciate it! 😊
Taking 60-yard shots at elk with a bow is generally considered unethical and risky by most bowhunters because at such a long distance, the margin for error is significantly high, increasing the chance of a poor hit, wounding the animal, and making a clean kill difficult, even for highly skilled archers; the ideal bowhunting strategy is to get as close as possible to the animal before taking a shot, typically within a much shorter range.
Key reasons why taking long-distance bow shots at elk is discouraged:
Accuracy concerns:
At 60 yards, even a slight deviation in arrow placement can result in a non-lethal hit, potentially causing suffering to the animal.
Elk movement:
Elk are large and can easily move their vital organs away from the aiming point at the moment of release, especially if they are alerted to the shot.
Ethical considerations:
Bowhunting is traditionally considered a close-range hunting method, and taking long-distance shots can be seen as pushing the boundaries of ethical hunting practices.
anyone boasting about taking longer distant shots on live animals makes you sound incompetent of understanding the ethical concerns surrounding your claims.
Wow! While I appreciate you taking the time to write all this, I respectfully disagree. With today’s tools and technology, a 60 yard shot at an elk who is unaware seems very ethical- assuming you’ve taken time to dial in your equipment and practice. Hunting is one of our life passions, and we practice out to 70+ yards consistently. I’m not saying everyone’s effective range should be 60 yards, I but I feel comfortable saying it’s our effective range.
Good luck to you on your future hunting adventures, and again, thanks for sharing your thoughts- they’re valuable, for sure!
The closer, the better in my opinion 😊
Great video. That said, first of all, one cannot build an arrow that is faster than an animal's reaction, especially at 50-yards. Second, whatever weight you remove, you increase the noise that your bow generates (see DIY Sportsman), which increases the likelihood that an animal will react to your shot. Third, you detail the terminal performance of your heavy arrows (with the elk and pronghorn performance), yet are willing to trade it away for trajectory gains, even though you make the use of laser rangefinders. Interesting rationale.
Those are such great points! And we’ve definitely thought about all of them… that’s a big reason why we dropped to a moderate weight instead of to light weight arrows. We’re thinking that we’ll have similar penetration with better trajectory, and Alyssa just shot a buck with her new setup last week… the arrow zipped through the buck extremely quickly, and buried in the dirt behind the buck.
Your point about rangefinders is well received and they’re an invaluable tool. But our experience has been that animals rarely stand still long enough to get an exact range- especially elk. We usually wind up ranging a bush or some kind of landmark, and then we estimate based on that known point. The flat trajectory on our new setups will be a huge positive in that type of situation.
I think there’s a point of diminishing returns with arrow weight, and I think it’s probably around 500 grains. I’m no expert- that’s just my feeling 😊
I really appreciate you taking time to share your opinion though!
Happy hunting! 👊🏼
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So the trajectory test is not accurate. Of course the 2 arrows will have different impacts. Shooting the heavy arrow with the sights set for the light arrow will absolutely be different. To correctly do that test shoot each arrow from a properly sighted in setup for that specific arrow. Then shoot at a distance past what you’re shooting for. So say you use 50 yds shoot the heavy arrow properly sighted for 50 then shoot at 60 yds while using your 50 yard pin. Now you’re truly measuring the difference. Do the same test with both arrows
You’re spot on, and I actually mention that at the end of the video. We were just simply comparing the trajectories, or drop, of two different arrow setups 😊
I liked the video until I saw the lifts.
lol spoken like a loyal Hoyt man! Nothing wrong with that 😊
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@@jerrypoling3106 lol yes but what if your at full draw in sight now and that animal moves? You have to guess or risk letting down and re-ranging. 🤷🏼♀️ we shot heavy arrows for years so we aren’t against them, but they have some cons like this one that we got tired of.