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I’m surprised Steve Young didn’t get mentioned. He was insanely athletic (rushing for over 4K yards and 40 TDs) and had amazing efficiency stats relative to his era. This is despite not being a full time starter until his age 30 season.
Big Bens younger years remind me of Mahomes, ALOT of throwing on the run and breaking tackles and STILL looking down field, now Most QBs break tackles and run
Montana was able to get to his reads faster and more smoothly than any QB ever. He also took advantage of YAC more than any QB up to that point and maybe ever. He had a great ability to put the ball in such a place that the receiver didn’t have to break stride and could keep gaining yards after the catch.
@@Yeomannn What does that mean? He played in a great system, yes, but he was as accurate an intermediate passer as you’ll find, and he was excellent at throwing on the move, and an elusive athlete.
Joe was actually a great running QB, go watch him actually play. He just did this less latter cause he got hurt more. Joe ran for a lot in the SB vs Mami for one good example. Joe also changed the game on how he dropped back, the amount of steps and the timing
He revolutionized the game proving that accuracy was just as (if not more) valuable than arm strength. He was consistently in the top 5 in completion percentage throughout his career. Joe paved the way for guys like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, or Joe Burrow nowadays.
@@johnchedsey1306 I don't disagree with you. I wonder what kind of numbers Marino would put up without his receivers getting the snot knocked out of them all over the field. I still prefer Montana a ton. Favre is so overrated.
🙄 Im glad he's doing well on this channel but I can't sub to someone who's opinion basic and 📣not FACT basic. 🤯 Like saying Mahomes is better than Rogers. 🤪 Hell Dan Marino is better than Mahomes.
@@yaknow5252 stop it. There's nothing wrong with being opinion based in a sports channel. Just like five point vids and that's good sports, and they make excellent content. I'm a bucs fan and a fan of Tom Brady, and it's pretty clear that this dude doesn't like Brady but I still think his channel is awesome.
@@brentjones886 Maybe. I went to hard on him, or maybe I'm making his content better. We'll see. I just think these kids are tainted by these tampon sport league rules and don't understand. There were gladiators in these sports. When men were men. The rules were tougher and that reflected in the gameplay. I just get the impression he don't understand that. And yes I'm a cream sickle BUCS fan too. Hell I think the doctor that slap me on my ass when I was born is also. He had on a BUCS t-shirt my mother told me. 🤣
Peyton Manning did 2 things to push the position forward; He melded the accuracy and field generalship WHILE CALLING ALL OF THE PLAYS, with the complexity of the modern playbook. For a long time, QBs were basically an extension of an external offensive playcaller, and at best had a primary call with two audibles. Manning changed all that - he had the entire playbook at his disposal, ALL THE TIME...
Marino's release and accuracy (route anticipation etc.) were two of a number of factors that are not mentioned that are paramount in understanding his influence on the position into the future. For example, Marino's blazing fast release has affected qb development to this day.
@@scottrobb4873 Kids today are starting to have quick releases like Marino. Insane. But really - as the classic pocket passer (not thrower) Marino was #1
This got me super pumped up for the season. Nice job. Thank you! Elway had some incredible running skills too similar to today. Jim Kelly kinda got the shaft. No mention, just a glance. I think Vick would’ve been near GOAT status if on the right team. He was magic.
Awe :/ This awesome senior I took care of for the better part of a year passed away and he would tell me Sammy Baugh was the best punter of all time and how versatile he was. RIP Mr Wilson
Ah, one of Staubach's many nicknames was Roger The Dodger. That nickname was the result of Staubach being BOTH a scrambler and a runner at a time when a QB either scrambled behind the line of scrimmage (e.g. Tarkenton) or ran (e.g., Bobby Douglass) with the football. Considering that Staubach won 4 NFL passing titles and he retired with the highest QB rating in NFL history, one could argue that he was the most complete QB in NFL history. If you include team success (e.g., 4 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl 6 MVP, and 6 NFC Champion Game appearances) into this discussion, Roger Staubach is THE archetype for not only mobile QB's, but for how the QB position is played in the modern NFL.
@@7thheaven496 The 90's era belonged to the Dallas Cowboys, so what exactly is your point? My point of my post was that Roger Staubach, not Fran Tarkenton, was the archetype of the modern day mobile QB. In terms of the comparison between Bradshaw and Staubach, the only advantage Bradshaw had over Staubach was a stronger arm. Staubach was more mobile, he was a more accurate passer, he was better in the 2 minute drill, he won 4 passing titles to Bradshaw's 0 passing titles, and Staubach's career passer rating is a whopping 13 points higher than Bradshaw. The number of Super Bowl wins is a TEAM accomplishment and Staubach played well in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances.
@@pjtheory 90's era Jimmy Johnson played college tactical football. Which was against NFL regulations at time, which was consider illegal. Jerry had to cover his tracks and got rid of jimmy johnson asap. Corrupt decietful jerry jones made that possible. It was not for that cowboys would have 2 rings instead of 5. They need to debunk those 3 rings, same with patriots. True champions play with honesty,integrity, blood, sweat, tears and no cheating. Those are real champions. Thats my point. Not descrediting Stuabuachs era. 90's cowboys are a sham and they got away with it. Now there suffering for it.
Well it's easy too say that Staubach was an architect when there were NO black QBs in the 70s. Bcuz I think if there were, Staubach would easily fall on this list. Just saying.
@@yaknow5252 Not true. There weren't many black QB's in the 70's, but Joe Gilliam started a number of games for the Steelers which included several games during the 1st half of the Steelers 1974 championship season. In 1974 and 1975, James Harris was the Ram's starting QB, and he led his team to back to back playoff appearances. This included Harris facing off against the Roger Staubach led Dallas Cowboys in the 1975 NFC Championship Game. Rookie and future Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams started for the 1976 expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers and he subsequently led them to the 1979 NFC Championship Game.
Just binged a bunch of your vids and I must say you make content that is better than channels (especially in terms of variety and research)that have 3x your subs. Keep it up tubs
The pass interference rule change in 78 is directly tied to a sudden rise in Bradshaw's stats. He had Stallworth and Swann, HOFers, but teams like Oakland would simply MAUL them at the line. Give Bradshaw today's rules and WOW. Players like Ken Anderson, Brian Sipe, Steve Grogan, or Bert Jones who where average to above, would've been totally altered by the easier QB rules just a decade later. Look at Fouts production pre 78 vs post 78. Very tellng
Fouts had a BREAK out year in 1976 & had a contract / team issues in 1977 , when they bring in James Harris form the Rams ? So, he was all ready showing big signs of what was to come , EVEN before Marino every got to the NFL years later !
By the time Unitas came along the QB position had already been transformed in Canada. Sam Etchevary, Kenny Ploen, and Jackie Parker being only 3. The NFL always lagged the CFL in innovation.
I told you this kids don't know shit. His videos are all option basic. Just listen too the way he talk about players. Real bais. Plus the NFL like most another sports back in the day, was much toucher unlike this maxie pad leagues of today.
Mahomes is just ridiculous. Every genius GM had there chance at him too. I've read where various guys were getting ready to take him & blah blah blah. Old Skinny Andy was the only one with the guts to do it. Them he even sat him for a year to make him learn before unleashing him on the league. Mahomes does have a little bit of everybody in there. Then like your said here come the Herberts, Jacksons, Burrows, & etcetera. It does make the game so much fun.
Overstated. Marino peaked early. He slowed down considerably post 88 and was regularly outplayed by Montana, Favre and Young..Kelly, Cunningham and Moon in some years.
One fun bit of trivia: At the end of his career, Unitas was traded to San Diego. He was absolutely done by then and didn't play much. However, they had a brand new quarterback named Fouts who spent a great deal of time being mentored about the game by Johnny U. Unitas we stand, baby!
Quarterbacks were delegated to being a lead blocking position in the single wing and signal caller. It was not until Chicago moved the qb under center is where you start to see the qb you see today.
1) Sammy Baugh - played for Washington which is pretty much Maryland 2) Johnny Unitas - played in Baltimore Maryland 3) Terry Bradshaw - went to Maryland 4) Rodger Staubach - went to naval academy in Annapolis, Maryland
Rule changes and technology. You seemed to skip overt that. Modern QBs such as Maholmes would get crushed playing with the rules and equipment of the 50s, 60's, 70's, and to a lesser extent 80's and 90's. Tackling and defence in general has been neutered and the QB coddled to the point where the sport is unrecognizable compared to the 20th century game. Not saying it's better or worse, just saying it's a different sport now. Completly. Do you think Mahomes will scramble as much in 10 degree weather knowing he will get tackled in the same mannner as Jim Brown? I say no. And if he does he has a short career.
Great insight - I am no longer amazed this accurate perspective gets washed over. Playing QB in the NFL used to be the most dangerous job in pro sports! The collective bargaining agreement in '94 is what set the current trend in motion.
@@JSark-by2ts tbh I think it’s actually great that qbs get protected now brings up less what ifs and we get moments like the 2021 divisional round playoffs where every game came down to the quarterbacks either making a play or fucking everything up (dak Prescott, Aaron rodgers, and Carson wents literally costing there teams wins)
2:14 Darn right! Title game all ten seasons he played, winning seven, and as late as 2002 still had the fourth-highest passer efficiency of all time. Oh, and just to add some more, he also won a basketball championship with the Rochester Royals and the facemask was invented so he could go back into a game at halftime after his face was gashed.
To me Joe Montanna within the context of the west coast offense had most impact as to this day… most teams run a version of the evolution of west coast offense.
wow, seriously dude that means so much. I am so surprised by how many of you that actually transferred over from the old channel. I am so grateful to have such an awesome community, truly I mean that.
A scrambling qb is okay. But how many championships have Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson etc, accumulated? None. So, outside of ticket sales the pocket passer and one who can scramble a bit (Aaron Rodgers) will never be replaced by this so-called "evolved" mobile QB. Additionally, Tom Brady is the greatest football player of all time but Aaron Rodgers is the most gifted qb I've ever seen.
I think you could add Steve Young, he was probably the first along with Cunningham to use running as a threat,, rather than just a scramble to buy time.
I was confused about your placement of Unitas as "later in the 1960s". It's true he played from the mid-50s until the early 70s. But he won two NFL championships in 1958 and 1959. By the mid-60s, he was getting injured a lot and didn't play as often (he only came into Super Bowl III in the 4th quarter, for instance). Also, tough not to mention Namath. His career was up and down and mostly injury-filled. But he's one of the most important NFL players ever to exist. Broadway Joe made football cool. He brought in a lot of new fans, especially women, who never cared about the sport before. And when he was on, he was gorgeous to watch. Joe's stats might not have qualified him for the Hall of Fame. But few players have ever had an impact like he did. (See also: Kurt Warner)
Fran Tarkenton held every quarterback record there was at the time he retired. Norm van Brocklin, the Vikings first franchise head coach former quarterback himself, hated Tarkenton's unorthodox scrambling so much that Fran was traded to the NY Giants. Fran was also the Vikings 1st draft pick. After 7 yrs and a new head coach, Bud Grant, the Vikings got Fran back to Minnesota. From 1968-1980 the Vikings won the Central division 11 times in 13 yrs. With Tarkenton the team won 6 straight division titles and 3 trips to the Superbowl 8, 9 & 11. Since he never won a Superbowl he doesn't get the credit he deserves. Glad to see someone giving him props, and yes I grew a huge Vikings fan.
@@o.i.c.uvanish9169 You're right. I just looked at the Vikings first draft and saw Fran was 1st picked, but I mistook that for overall not the 1st player drafted in the 3rd round, which was 29th overall. Being a new franchise the Vikings got the first pick in every round that 1st year. I looked back and they picked a RB Tommy Manson from Tulane 1 round 1st overall. 2nd round 1st pick 11th overall Minnesota went with a LB Rip Hawkins from South Carolina. Fran was also the 3rd QB drafted in 1961 behind Norm Seed out of Wake Forest, picked 2nd overall 1st round by Washington. And Billy Kilmer was drafted by the SF 49ers 1st round 11th overall.
@@angelvalle9963 I had a few comments I was to write. I was going to explain how statistics are analyzed compiled and used as a vital information that is tied to every decision on and off the field. But instead I'll just ask you to re-read your comment and sleep on it. After you wake up tomorrow re-read your comment. If you don't see the glaring problem with it I'll assume you either never played organized football before, or you watch football at all you are just a casual fan and don't really understand the complexity of what you are watching. It's a great game you should take a deeper dive into the game. Hope you do you'll enjoy it more.
Tip - closed captions on most devices are on the bottom of the screen, so it's a lot of work for those of us who use them to read the text on screen stuff (ex : the "how did I not know this play existed" text) as we have to rewind, turn the captions off, then get back to spot and read it, then turn the captions back on. So, my tip is to put bits of text like this in the upper portion of the screen instead.
I would argue Cam Newton was extremely important in the evolution of the QB. Newton changed the position with being a viable running option like a RB and taking snaps in wildcat-esqe form. QB’s like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson run plays that were popularized by Newton.
When you said Staubach didn’t really contribute to the quarterback position he literally invented the Hail Mary And was a prototype for the mobile quarterback I would say he’s more similar to Aaron Rodgers then he would be to a pocket passer
No mention of Steve Young? He was the prototype of the dual threat QB before Patrick Mahomes. Cunningham was a better runner and had a bigger arm, but Young was a far better passer, way more accurate, and his career rushing is very similar to Cunningham. In fact, Young had more rushing TDs. Yes, Cunningham eventually developed into an above average passer late in his career in Minnesota, but by then he was no longer a running threat. Ironically, Eagles fans would experience deja vu a decade later with Donovan McNabb, who would dazzle with his legs but struggled with accuracy in the passing game. Just like Cunningham, he would greatly improve, but both men essentially stopped running. In other words, at no time were either one of them a true dual threat QB. At least, not on the level of Steve Young.
Enjoyed the video of both this one and the RB position. However, didn't mention Joe Namath here at all; mentioned Emmitt Smith in the RB video but, well, he's got the rushing crown surpassing Jim Brown and Walter Payton AND 3 SUPERBOWLS???? I know that he was a straight forward runner but also juked well and was able to keep the game in tact when other RB's of the day well, could but then couldn't, depending on who you talked about. I know that Barry Sanders retired and had he not, I wouldn't be mentioning this. I know that Walter Payton redefined things but, c'mon, give Emmitt his props, he did what you said QB's did, he MASTERED the RB position in the 90's on that 90's dynasty team..... he gave props to his offensive line ALL the time and kept his career up and played with the Cardinals until he retired. I can't say it enough, THE greatest RB to play the game... IN MY HUMBLE FOOTBALL opinion... just sayin.,
This is a very flawed analysis, the reason running QB's are having success today is because of the rule changes that prevent them from getting smashed and injured. QB's would get crushed everytime they tried to scramble and they would get hit even after they threw the ball, that's all gone now.
They also play against more defensive backs than ever, so the defense isn’t as clogged up as it once was. Less linebackers to hunt them down. And hurt them.
Agree.... and yet pocket passers still rule. Year in year out. Winning, winning, and more winning... Maybe those running gags serve well to fanboys and highligthes, but their efficiency is average at best (includes Lamar). Each long run is negated by drive killing sacks. And they come in tons. Even nowadays in the touch football era.
Good, fun vid. One quibble, tho: Tarkenton didn't lose 4 Super Bowls, the Vikings did. Tark was on the Giants when the Vikes lost SB IV. Joe Kapp was the QB then. Proud to say that I learned this by being corrected by Fran Tarkenton himself. So the Vikings lost 4 but Tarkenton only 3.
I'm pretty grateful you gave Randall Cunningham his rightful place as the Trail Blazer QB he was. He deserves recognition merely by making people believe that Buddy Ryan (one of the greatest defensive coordinators of his time, that cannot be denied) was a bona fide Head Coach when he was one of the lousiest ones. The Arizona Cardinals can blame Cunningham for wasting a ton of bucks in a HC that only turned the careers of Neil Lomax and Timm Rosenbach into ashes.
I think Allen is one of the first QB's to truly mix in that gritty, hard nosed, run people over like a big RB or FB style of scrambler into the QB role.
What QBs are critiqued for today: - Arm Strength - Somehow Mobile - Overall Talent This decade will for sure be littered with QB talent, on max settings. And that will be ushered by #15 and #17, and at some point for dual-threats, #8.
Could you do an evolution in football equipment. Especially the helmets and the face mask designs? Tbh I missed the old cage like designs from the 2000s
Great video but really weird one-sided view. For example: You are talking about how Rodgers (who is a beast for sure) has made the gunslinging style work for him. But you discount that he has not been on a bad team... You also seem to be discounting that the rules of the game changed SPECIFICALLY to make passing easier and more frequent. It just seems like some of the "mastery" you are pointing to is due to factors beyond the QB. The peril of measuring individual productivity in a truly team sport. Good work. seriously. Good stuff.
I surmise that only a handful of commenters will immediately grasp what I'm saying (and abbreviating), but that handful will understand fully: it's the changes in league rules and coaching practices that have mattered most in pro QB evolution, both in the USA and Canada. In the 1930s Clark Shaughnessy became de facto offensive coordinator for the Bears, forever changing NFL football by persuading Halas to eventually introduce the T-formation and Sid Luckman. In the 1960s Bill Walsh called the plays and became actual offensive coordinator for the Bengals under Paul Brown. Walsh invented "the West Coast Offense" in Cincinnati. Tom Landry called all of Roger Staubach's plays, discouraging Staubach's audibles and scrambling. While to the astonishment of most of us at the time, the exact opposite of Staubach, Terry Bradshaw called all of his own plays in winning four Super Bowls, using his legs only as needed. As far as developing QB talent, Weeb Ewbank remains pro football's #1 coach: Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, and he created the blocking schemes to protect Otto Graham's passing (that blocking still largely used today, though created in the 1940s). The greatest self-developed QB was WWII hero Norm Van Brocklin. He was so knowledgeable about football he went directly from NFL MVP and NFL champion QB player to NFL head coach, the only time that has happened and likely the only time it will ever happen. I've written a book about all this but may never publish it because the buying market for accurate pro football history is so tiny. Book buying sports book readers and reporters prefer to have their personal prejudices served instead of facts that are contrary to their entertainment fantasies and wishes. Temporary trends in popularity outweighs history. Robert Beattie, New York Times bestselling author.
I just found you, your videos are dope and this channel is just gonna keep growing for sure. Roger The Dodger wasnt a pocket passer, he was good in the pocket but he was the scramblers scrambler
@TubFrog I disagree with your statements with Brett Favre, this is because you are talking about 90s Favre. 1990s Favre was easily the Best QB in the entire league. Sure, if you encompass "all" of Favres career then yes, their are some really bad ones. However during the 90s, Favre was a completely different animal. He started off okay, to having one really bad year at the beginning of the 90s, however when the mid-90s rolled around and from 1994-1998, he was a Gunslinger who within that five year stretch averaged 35 TDS to only 15 INTS, which isn't just amazing, but absolutely Ridiculous. Nobody before, yes, not even Marino, or Elway, or Montana, and yes, not even the Best QBs today (Neither Rodgers or Brady have a had five straight years of 30+ TDs, and Mahomes has only played four seasons, but one of them was less than 30 TDs) have had a five year stretch where they averaged over 31 or more TDS for five years, with the only exception being Brees. However Drew Brees has had the luxury of playing his peak years in the current NFL which absolutely benefits and caters to the QB and the passing game unlike in Favres prime where players could really maul the QB and the receivers. I understand that people like to "nag" on Favre for the Interceptions, however in the 1990s, he was a completely different Monster all together, and was an Absolute Monster, who was tame enough to really let his All Time Canon Arm do the work super effectively, as his numbers in the Post-Season during the 1990s was 28 TDS to 12 INTS, which is nothing short of Spectacular.
And Dan Fouts and Joe Montana deserve more credit with changing the game by bringing the West Coast Offense (thanks Bill Walsh) into the NFL. This means more passing, less running which made the RB position lose value the WR have an uptick. Also, when Pittsburgh drafted Bell, the game totally changed to dual threat RBs. Idk if you can credit Ben with that but no longer are the days of stud downhill RBs (with the exception of Henry of course). The best RBs are great at catching put of the backfield now.
If you want to know whats going on with my channel then you can read the essay I wrote in the description, otherwise things won't change and I'll continue to put on the same NFL content in the future. Thanks for sticking with me guys, it truly means a lot.
Hi Tub
@@the_sports_nerd greetings
Joe Kapp was the qb for the Vikings in 69 when they lost to the Chiefs, not Tarkenton
@@francisdasta8646 ya maybe its hard to see but at 7:47 i put a little note in the bottom right but your right he didn't play
@@the_sports_nerd NFL is soft and no real defense. Brady is so over protected
I’m surprised Steve Young didn’t get mentioned.
He was insanely athletic (rushing for over 4K yards and 40 TDs) and had amazing efficiency stats relative to his era.
This is despite not being a full time starter until his age 30 season.
🤣 30 season 🤣
and leftie
True. He led the league in passer rating a record 6 straight seasons.
Steve Young wasn't seen as an NFL caliber QB until he played in the USFL
@@jkhdfkjashdfk The passer rating statistics wasn't common when Steve Young played because "Fantasy Football" wasn't too popular then.
Big Bens younger years remind me of Mahomes, ALOT of throwing on the run and breaking tackles and STILL looking down field, now Most QBs break tackles and run
Sure….
Montana was able to get to his reads faster and more smoothly than any QB ever. He also took advantage of YAC more than any QB up to that point and maybe ever. He had a great ability to put the ball in such a place that the receiver didn’t have to break stride and could keep gaining yards after the catch.
System QB.
@@Yeomannn
What does that mean? He played in a great system, yes, but he was as accurate an intermediate passer as you’ll find, and he was excellent at throwing on the move, and an elusive athlete.
@@Yeomannn he could play in any system and any era. Especially in today's pass happy league
@@Yeomannn such a lazy argument
@@Yeomannn if he was system qb, why did he thrive in Kansas City?
Joe was actually a great running QB, go watch him actually play. He just did this less latter cause he got hurt more. Joe ran for a lot in the SB vs Mami for one good example. Joe also changed the game on how he dropped back, the amount of steps and the timing
He revolutionized the game proving that accuracy was just as (if not more) valuable than arm strength. He was consistently in the top 5 in completion percentage throughout his career. Joe paved the way for guys like Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, or Joe Burrow nowadays.
Hey Miles! Hope you're well. I still do believe if Montana played in today's rules, he would have 7 super bowl rings and every passing record.
@@johnchedsey1306 if he played in 70s his career would of been shorter
@@michaeljones-um8sn I wouldn't doubt that.
@@johnchedsey1306 I don't disagree with you. I wonder what kind of numbers Marino would put up without his receivers getting the snot knocked out of them all over the field. I still prefer Montana a ton. Favre is so overrated.
Bravo in getting it right about Fran Tarkenton! By far the most underatted QB in history.
Mark Brunell, Jim Hart, Dan Fouts, Randall Cunningham,
Ken Anderson, Ken Stabler, Phil simms, boomer esiason, Bob Griese,
Warren moon, Steve McNair, Norm Van Brocklin, Sammy Baugh, Bob Waterfield, Len Dawson, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman
Joe Theismann,
Bart Starr and Otto Graham
John Elway was also a known scrambler, some of his best plays were off scrambles that he bombed for 50 yards down field
Steve Young was one hell of a hall of fame qb that had a ton of rushing yards too.
A godly NFL historian with less than THREE HUNDRED SUBS!? Remind me how that is possible?
Over 1200 now after only 4 days since your comment
🙄 Im glad he's doing well on this channel but I can't sub to someone who's opinion basic and 📣not FACT basic. 🤯 Like saying Mahomes is better than Rogers. 🤪 Hell Dan Marino is better than Mahomes.
@@yaknow5252 stop it. There's nothing wrong with being opinion based in a sports channel. Just like five point vids and that's good sports, and they make excellent content. I'm a bucs fan and a fan of Tom Brady, and it's pretty clear that this dude doesn't like Brady but I still think his channel is awesome.
@@brentjones886 Maybe. I went to hard on him, or maybe I'm making his content better. We'll see. I just think these kids are tainted by these tampon sport league rules and don't understand. There were gladiators in these sports. When men were men. The rules were tougher and that reflected in the gameplay.
I just get the impression he don't understand that.
And yes I'm a cream sickle BUCS fan too. Hell I think the doctor that slap me on my ass when I was born is also. He had on a BUCS t-shirt my mother told me. 🤣
@@yaknow5252 hell yeah. Go BUCS bro. I've been a fan since 99.
Peyton Manning did 2 things to push the position forward;
He melded the accuracy and field generalship WHILE CALLING ALL OF THE PLAYS, with the complexity of the modern playbook.
For a long time, QBs were basically an extension of an external offensive playcaller, and at best had a primary call with two audibles. Manning changed all that - he had the entire playbook at his disposal, ALL THE TIME...
I believe terry bradshaw called his own plays as well
@@James-qo8hd You are exactly right! All of the QBs did back then... the playbook was a lot thinner, though.
Jim Kelly called all his plays and Marino had the entire playbook to his disposal also, pre Jimmy Johnson.
@@aaronjackson9385 Also true... the playbook was a LOT thinner, though...
You're dead right on Tarkenton, and glad to hear you mention Ken Anderson. Severely under rated
Agree about Ken Anderson...He had some great shoot-outs with Snake and some others...
Marino's release and accuracy (route anticipation etc.) were two of a number of factors that are not mentioned that are paramount in understanding his influence on the position into the future. For example, Marino's blazing fast release has affected qb development to this day.
I still have never seen a release as quick as that. Insanely fast it almost doesn't make sense.
@@scottrobb4873 Kids today are starting to have quick releases like Marino. Insane. But really - as the classic pocket passer (not thrower) Marino was #1
This got me super pumped up for the season. Nice job. Thank you!
Elway had some incredible running skills too similar to today.
Jim Kelly kinda got the shaft. No mention, just a glance.
I think Vick would’ve been near GOAT status if on the right team. He was magic.
Awe :/ This awesome senior I took care of for the better part of a year passed away and he would tell me Sammy Baugh was the best punter of all time and how versatile he was. RIP Mr Wilson
Ah, one of Staubach's many nicknames was Roger The Dodger. That nickname was the result of Staubach being BOTH a scrambler and a runner at a time when a QB either scrambled behind the line of scrimmage (e.g. Tarkenton) or ran (e.g., Bobby Douglass) with the football. Considering that Staubach won 4 NFL passing titles and he retired with the highest QB rating in NFL history, one could argue that he was the most complete QB in NFL history. If you include team success (e.g., 4 Super Bowl appearances, 2 Super Bowl rings, Super Bowl 6 MVP, and 6 NFC Champion Game appearances) into this discussion, Roger Staubach is THE archetype for not only mobile QB's, but for how the QB position is played in the modern NFL.
He won 2 but bradshaw won 4. Steelers dominated 70's era. Thats our era and 80's era was 49ers.
@@7thheaven496 The 90's era belonged to the Dallas Cowboys, so what exactly is your point? My point of my post was that Roger Staubach, not Fran Tarkenton, was the archetype of the modern day mobile QB. In terms of the comparison between Bradshaw and Staubach, the only advantage Bradshaw had over Staubach was a stronger arm. Staubach was more mobile, he was a more accurate passer, he was better in the 2 minute drill, he won 4 passing titles to Bradshaw's 0 passing titles, and Staubach's career passer rating is a whopping 13 points higher than Bradshaw. The number of Super Bowl wins is a TEAM accomplishment and Staubach played well in all 4 of his Super Bowl appearances.
@@pjtheory 90's era Jimmy Johnson played college tactical football. Which was against NFL regulations at time, which was consider illegal. Jerry had to cover his tracks and got rid of jimmy johnson asap. Corrupt decietful jerry jones made that possible. It was not for that cowboys would have 2 rings instead of 5. They need to debunk those 3 rings, same with patriots. True champions play with honesty,integrity, blood, sweat, tears and no cheating. Those are real champions. Thats my point. Not descrediting Stuabuachs era. 90's cowboys are a sham and they got away with it. Now there suffering for it.
Well it's easy too say that Staubach was an architect when there were NO black QBs in the 70s. Bcuz I think if there were, Staubach would easily fall on this list. Just saying.
@@yaknow5252 Not true. There weren't many black QB's in the 70's, but Joe Gilliam started a number of games for the Steelers which included several games during the 1st half of the Steelers 1974 championship season. In 1974 and 1975, James Harris was the Ram's starting QB, and he led his team to back to back playoff appearances. This included Harris facing off against the Roger Staubach led Dallas Cowboys in the 1975 NFC Championship Game. Rookie and future Super Bowl MVP Doug Williams started for the 1976 expansion Tampa Bay Buccaneers and he subsequently led them to the 1979 NFC Championship Game.
Honestly your channel is the NFL content I always look for .. SuperBowls, Timelines, evolution , draft , etc … Great vid and earned a new sub !
Just binged a bunch of your vids and I must say you make content that is better than channels (especially in terms of variety and research)that have 3x your subs. Keep it up tubs
Joe Kapp was the quarterback for the 69 Vikings when they lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl for first time
The pass interference rule change in 78 is directly tied to a sudden rise in Bradshaw's stats. He had Stallworth and Swann, HOFers, but teams like Oakland would simply MAUL them at the line. Give Bradshaw today's rules and WOW. Players like Ken Anderson, Brian Sipe, Steve Grogan, or Bert Jones who where average to above, would've been totally altered by the easier QB rules just a decade later.
Look at Fouts production pre 78 vs post 78. Very tellng
What changed with pass interference in 78?
Fouts had a BREAK out year in 1976 & had a contract / team issues in 1977 , when they bring in James Harris form the Rams ? So, he was all ready showing big signs of what was to come , EVEN before Marino every got to the NFL years later !
@@stoobydoobydoo Mel Blount rule OR what I call the Patriots DB way of covering a wr for the last 20 to 25 years !
By the time Unitas came along the QB position had already been transformed in Canada. Sam Etchevary, Kenny Ploen, and Jackie Parker being only 3. The NFL always lagged the CFL in innovation.
I told you this kids don't know shit. His videos are all option basic. Just listen too the way he talk about players. Real bais.
Plus the NFL like most another sports back in the day, was much toucher unlike this maxie pad leagues of today.
super underrated, great videos
Mahomes is just ridiculous. Every genius GM had there chance at him too. I've read where various guys were getting ready to take him & blah blah blah. Old Skinny Andy was the only one with the guts to do it. Them he even sat him for a year to make him learn before unleashing him on the league. Mahomes does have a little bit of everybody in there. Then like your said here come the Herberts, Jacksons, Burrows, & etcetera. It does make the game so much fun.
You're gonna blow up because you have very high quality videos
How you didn’t mention Warren Moon is baffling
These timeline position viddeos aare dope man, you found a lane. I subscribed.
Another amazing video. Blown away by your knowledge and study of the game. Bravo.
I'm convinced that if Dan Marino played now he'd throw for 8000 yards in a season.
8000 sounds just crazy. 6k easy maybe he'd make a run at 7k but 8k is just silly. Lol
Overstated. Marino peaked early. He slowed down considerably post 88 and was regularly outplayed by Montana, Favre and Young..Kelly, Cunningham and Moon in some years.
This channel is going to blow up. I’d take the under at 6 months until you have 50k subs
Was a vibe 1st video I watched keep it up and everything.
One fun bit of trivia: At the end of his career, Unitas was traded to San Diego. He was absolutely done by then and didn't play much. However, they had a brand new quarterback named Fouts who spent a great deal of time being mentored about the game by Johnny U.
Unitas we stand, baby!
Quarterbacks were delegated to being a lead blocking position in the single wing and signal caller. It was not until Chicago moved the qb under center is where you start to see the qb you see today.
I really like this channel. I just found it recently. It's very funny, informative and entertaining
Just saw this channel. Very underrated content
1) Sammy Baugh - played for Washington which is pretty much Maryland
2) Johnny Unitas - played in Baltimore Maryland
3) Terry Bradshaw - went to Maryland
4) Rodger Staubach - went to naval academy in Annapolis, Maryland
I couldve aworn that Bradshaw went to Louisiana Tech.
unitas went to louisville for college
Rule changes and technology. You seemed to skip overt that. Modern QBs such as Maholmes would get crushed playing with the rules and equipment of the 50s, 60's, 70's, and to a lesser extent 80's and 90's. Tackling and defence in general has been neutered and the QB coddled to the point where the sport is unrecognizable compared to the 20th century game. Not saying it's better or worse, just saying it's a different sport now. Completly. Do you think Mahomes will scramble as much in 10 degree weather knowing he will get tackled in the same mannner as Jim Brown? I say no. And if he does he has a short career.
Great insight - I am no longer amazed this accurate perspective gets washed over. Playing QB in the NFL used to be the most dangerous job in pro sports! The collective bargaining agreement in '94 is what set the current trend in motion.
@@JSark-by2ts tbh I think it’s actually great that qbs get protected now brings up less what ifs and we get moments like the 2021 divisional round playoffs where every game came down to the quarterbacks either making a play or fucking everything up (dak Prescott, Aaron rodgers, and Carson wents literally costing there teams wins)
2:14 Darn right! Title game all ten seasons he played, winning seven, and as late as 2002 still had the fourth-highest passer efficiency of all time. Oh, and just to add some more, he also won a basketball championship with the Rochester Royals and the facemask was invented so he could go back into a game at halftime after his face was gashed.
Love you vids. Keep up the good work.
480 views? Is this some kind of glitch? This video is way too good for that!
To me Joe Montanna within the context of the west coast offense had most impact as to this day… most teams run a version of the evolution of west coast offense.
Very true. Countless mobile QBs have thrived under the west coast offense. Especially today.
Montana used footwork timing and accuracy. Totally changed the qb position.
Happy i found you before your a star! Keep dropping this great football content man
can't wait to see you break down different pass rushers phenomenal video sir
Love how you just kinda skip past Norm like he doesn’t still hold the single game passing yards record
Ok.......You got me.
I subscribed.
Great video! 👍
Keep grinding
dont worry I will
Notice they didnt mention Troy Fakeman. TubFrog you got facts straight on best QB's in history. Good video btw.
We stand with you you're content deserves to be pushed out
wow, seriously dude that means so much. I am so surprised by how many of you that actually transferred over from the old channel. I am so grateful to have such an awesome community, truly I mean that.
@@tubfrog you have a good community because you post good content that we want to watch. Keep it up this channel is gonna grow.
As a Bengals fan, it's great to see Ken Anderson mentioned. He should be in the Hall of Fame.
Underrated bro
Awesome informative video. Love it
A scrambling qb is okay. But how many championships have Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Lamar Jackson etc, accumulated? None. So, outside of ticket sales the pocket passer and one who can scramble a bit (Aaron Rodgers) will never be replaced by this so-called "evolved" mobile QB.
Additionally, Tom Brady is the greatest football player of all time but Aaron Rodgers is the most gifted qb I've ever seen.
Amen. Spot on... Took me about 100 nonsense posts and a nonsense vid to find a guy with knowledge.
16:10 🤣😂🤣 I caught that JMH quick fade shot... 💯🤣😂💯
Great videos! Keep them coming.🏈😃
I think you could add Steve Young, he was probably the first along with Cunningham to use running as a threat,, rather than just a scramble to buy time.
I was confused about your placement of Unitas as "later in the 1960s". It's true he played from the mid-50s until the early 70s. But he won two NFL championships in 1958 and 1959. By the mid-60s, he was getting injured a lot and didn't play as often (he only came into Super Bowl III in the 4th quarter, for instance).
Also, tough not to mention Namath. His career was up and down and mostly injury-filled. But he's one of the most important NFL players ever to exist. Broadway Joe made football cool. He brought in a lot of new fans, especially women, who never cared about the sport before. And when he was on, he was gorgeous to watch.
Joe's stats might not have qualified him for the Hall of Fame. But few players have ever had an impact like he did. (See also: Kurt Warner)
Fran Tarkenton held every quarterback record
there was at the time he retired. Norm van Brocklin, the Vikings first franchise head coach former quarterback himself, hated Tarkenton's unorthodox scrambling so much that Fran was traded to the NY Giants. Fran was also the Vikings 1st draft pick. After 7 yrs and a new head coach, Bud Grant, the Vikings got Fran back to Minnesota. From 1968-1980 the Vikings won the Central division 11 times in 13 yrs. With Tarkenton the team won 6 straight division titles and 3 trips to the Superbowl 8, 9 & 11. Since he never won a Superbowl he doesn't get the credit he deserves. Glad to see someone giving him props, and yes I grew a huge Vikings fan.
This games about winning not stats.
I thought Fran was a 3rd round draft.
@@o.i.c.uvanish9169 You're right. I just looked at the Vikings first draft and saw Fran was 1st picked, but I mistook that for overall not the 1st player drafted in the 3rd round, which was 29th overall.
Being a new franchise the Vikings got the first pick in every round that 1st year. I looked back and they picked a RB Tommy Manson from Tulane 1 round 1st overall. 2nd round 1st pick 11th overall Minnesota went with a LB Rip Hawkins from South Carolina.
Fran was also the 3rd QB drafted in 1961 behind Norm Seed out of Wake Forest, picked 2nd overall 1st round by Washington. And Billy Kilmer was drafted by the SF 49ers 1st round 11th overall.
@@angelvalle9963 I had a few comments I was to write. I was going to explain how statistics are analyzed compiled and used as a vital information that is tied to every decision on and off the field. But instead I'll just ask you to re-read your comment and sleep on it.
After you wake up tomorrow re-read your comment. If you don't see the glaring problem with it I'll assume you either never played organized football before, or you watch football at all you are just a casual fan and don't really understand the complexity of what you are watching. It's a great game you should take a deeper dive into the game. Hope you do you'll enjoy it more.
I can’t with this music 😂😂😂 Takes me back 🤦♂️😂
To this day Cunningham hasn't been replicated. It's amazing that his penchant for running didn't end his career early.
Lamar? Vick?
13:38 that Big Ben pic...perfect
Bro left out my boy Joe Burrow when talking about future QB success
Tip - closed captions on most devices are on the bottom of the screen, so it's a lot of work for those of us who use them to read the text on screen stuff (ex : the "how did I not know this play existed" text) as we have to rewind, turn the captions off, then get back to spot and read it, then turn the captions back on. So, my tip is to put bits of text like this in the upper portion of the screen instead.
Thanks for mentioning Phil Rivers!
Is Otto Graham considered a great QB or was he a system QB who was able to win those 7 chips in the 40s with the Browns?
3:59 these two were the catalysts of the two greatest dynasties of the 70s
*shows bradshaw fumbling the ball without being touched*
XD
I would argue Cam Newton was extremely important in the evolution of the QB. Newton changed the position with being a viable running option like a RB and taking snaps in wildcat-esqe form. QB’s like Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson run plays that were popularized by Newton.
0:00 legend was born
Steve Young may be the first runner QB to win a Super Bowl
great vid got a sub
When you said Staubach didn’t really contribute to the quarterback position he literally invented the Hail Mary And was a prototype for the mobile quarterback I would say he’s more similar to Aaron Rodgers then he would be to a pocket passer
Great vid
could not be stopped no matter what? i think the NFC East, in particular the GIANTS and EAGLES, has something to stay about that 🤣😂🤣😂
mentions phillip rivers and big ben without eli lmao
No mention of Steve Young? He was the prototype of the dual threat QB before Patrick Mahomes. Cunningham was a better runner and had a bigger arm, but Young was a far better passer, way more accurate, and his career rushing is very similar to Cunningham. In fact, Young had more rushing TDs. Yes, Cunningham eventually developed into an above average passer late in his career in Minnesota, but by then he was no longer a running threat. Ironically, Eagles fans would experience deja vu a decade later with Donovan McNabb, who would dazzle with his legs but struggled with accuracy in the passing game. Just like Cunningham, he would greatly improve, but both men essentially stopped running. In other words, at no time were either one of them a true dual threat QB. At least, not on the level of Steve Young.
I think you overlook the importance of the west coast offense with Kenny Anderson and Joe Montana
Rule changes.
Enjoyed the video of both this one and the RB position. However, didn't mention Joe Namath here at all; mentioned Emmitt Smith in the RB video but, well, he's got the rushing crown surpassing Jim Brown and Walter Payton AND 3 SUPERBOWLS???? I know that he was a straight forward runner but also juked well and was able to keep the game in tact when other RB's of the day well, could but then couldn't, depending on who you talked about. I know that Barry Sanders retired and had he not, I wouldn't be mentioning this. I know that Walter Payton redefined things but, c'mon, give Emmitt his props, he did what you said QB's did, he MASTERED the RB position in the 90's on that 90's dynasty team..... he gave props to his offensive line ALL the time and kept his career up and played with the Cardinals until he retired. I can't say it enough, THE greatest RB to play the game... IN MY HUMBLE FOOTBALL opinion... just sayin.,
Hard to go thru this history of QBs without describing and understanding the Schematic evolution in offensive football.
This is a very flawed analysis, the reason running QB's are having success today is because of the rule changes that prevent them from getting smashed and injured. QB's would get crushed everytime they tried to scramble and they would get hit even after they threw the ball, that's all gone now.
They also play against more defensive backs than ever, so the defense isn’t as clogged up as it once was. Less linebackers to hunt them down. And hurt them.
Agree.... and yet pocket passers still rule. Year in year out. Winning, winning, and more winning... Maybe those running gags serve well to fanboys and highligthes, but their efficiency is average at best (includes Lamar). Each long run is negated by drive killing sacks. And they come in tons. Even nowadays in the touch football era.
Good, fun vid. One quibble, tho: Tarkenton didn't lose 4 Super Bowls, the Vikings did. Tark was on the Giants when the Vikes lost SB IV. Joe Kapp was the QB then. Proud to say that I learned this by being corrected by Fran Tarkenton himself. So the Vikings lost 4 but Tarkenton only 3.
I'm pretty grateful you gave Randall Cunningham his rightful place as the Trail Blazer QB he was. He deserves recognition merely by making people believe that Buddy Ryan (one of the greatest defensive coordinators of his time, that cannot be denied) was a bona fide Head Coach when he was one of the lousiest ones. The Arizona Cardinals can blame Cunningham for wasting a ton of bucks in a HC that only turned the careers of Neil Lomax and Timm Rosenbach into ashes.
I think Allen is one of the first QB's to truly mix in that gritty, hard nosed, run people over like a big RB or FB style of scrambler into the QB role.
What QBs are critiqued for today:
- Arm Strength
- Somehow Mobile
- Overall Talent
This decade will for sure be littered with QB talent, on max settings. And that will be ushered by #15 and #17, and at some point for dual-threats, #8.
Could you do an evolution in football equipment. Especially the helmets and the face mask designs? Tbh I missed the old cage like designs from the 2000s
This is an ok video.... Most of your other videos are researched a little better.
i dunno, vick was spectacular to watch but you gave him perhaps a lil more clout than should be. No mention of joe namtho or aikeman?
The mindset of the quart-back has always been the most looked at position.sept2022.
Great video but really weird one-sided view.
For example: You are talking about how Rodgers (who is a beast for sure) has made the gunslinging style work for him. But you discount that he has not been on a bad team...
You also seem to be discounting that the rules of the game changed SPECIFICALLY to make passing easier and more frequent.
It just seems like some of the "mastery" you are pointing to is due to factors beyond the QB.
The peril of measuring individual productivity in a truly team sport.
Good work. seriously. Good stuff.
You forgot to mention the NFL changed the rules a lot over the years.
Brett Farvre would make soo many comeback wins because he would have been the reason they were behind
Rodger staubach really went from dropping bombs to launching them
Matthew Stafford heard you talking about Rodgers, he said "hold my beer" 🍺
15:52 that’s one arguably, it’s a literal fact
Patty with three Super Bowls, and probably more is crazy
bro why do you hate pittsburgh lmaoooo
great vid btw :)
I surmise that only a handful of commenters will immediately grasp what I'm saying (and abbreviating), but that handful will understand fully: it's the changes in league rules and coaching practices that have mattered most in pro QB evolution, both in the USA and Canada. In the 1930s Clark Shaughnessy became de facto offensive coordinator for the Bears, forever changing NFL football by persuading Halas to eventually introduce the T-formation and Sid Luckman. In the 1960s Bill Walsh called the plays and became actual offensive coordinator for the Bengals under Paul Brown. Walsh invented "the West Coast Offense" in Cincinnati. Tom Landry called all of Roger Staubach's plays, discouraging Staubach's audibles and scrambling. While to the astonishment of most of us at the time, the exact opposite of Staubach, Terry Bradshaw called all of his own plays in winning four Super Bowls, using his legs only as needed. As far as developing QB talent, Weeb Ewbank remains pro football's #1 coach: Johnny Unitas, Joe Namath, and he created the blocking schemes to protect Otto Graham's passing (that blocking still largely used today, though created in the 1940s). The greatest self-developed QB was WWII hero Norm Van Brocklin. He was so knowledgeable about football he went directly from NFL MVP and NFL champion QB player to NFL head coach, the only time that has happened and likely the only time it will ever happen. I've written a book about all this but may never publish it because the buying market for accurate pro football history is so tiny. Book buying sports book readers and reporters prefer to have their personal prejudices served instead of facts that are contrary to their entertainment fantasies and wishes. Temporary trends in popularity outweighs history. Robert Beattie, New York Times bestselling author.
the joe Montana disrespect is crazy
Niners in general don't get talked about enough in terms of franchise history
I remember laughing at a sports almanac once when reading that the leading passers had under 1,000 yards in the 30s
I just found you, your videos are dope and this channel is just gonna keep growing for sure.
Roger The Dodger wasnt a pocket passer, he was good in the pocket but he was the scramblers scrambler
I want to live in the alternate dimension where Vick never did dog fighting and played his entire career
@TubFrog I disagree with your statements with Brett Favre, this is because you are talking about 90s Favre.
1990s Favre was easily the Best QB in the entire league. Sure, if you encompass "all" of Favres career then yes, their are some really bad ones. However during the 90s, Favre was a completely different animal.
He started off okay, to having one really bad year at the beginning of the 90s, however when the mid-90s rolled around and from 1994-1998, he was a Gunslinger who within that five year stretch averaged 35 TDS to only 15 INTS, which isn't just amazing, but absolutely Ridiculous.
Nobody before, yes, not even Marino, or Elway, or Montana, and yes, not even the Best QBs today (Neither Rodgers or Brady have a had five straight years of 30+ TDs, and Mahomes has only played four seasons, but one of them was less than 30 TDs) have had a five year stretch where they averaged over 31 or more TDS for five years, with the only exception being Brees.
However Drew Brees has had the luxury of playing his peak years in the current NFL which absolutely benefits and caters to the QB and the passing game unlike in Favres prime where players could really maul the QB and the receivers.
I understand that people like to "nag" on Favre for the Interceptions, however in the 1990s, he was a completely different Monster all together, and was an Absolute Monster, who was tame enough to really let his All Time Canon Arm do the work super effectively, as his numbers in the Post-Season during the 1990s was 28 TDS to 12 INTS, which is nothing short of Spectacular.
I don't think brett favre was ever the best player in the league or the best QB..too many interceptions and a cement head
And Dan Fouts and Joe Montana deserve more credit with changing the game by bringing the West Coast Offense (thanks Bill Walsh) into the NFL. This means more passing, less running which made the RB position lose value the WR have an uptick. Also, when Pittsburgh drafted Bell, the game totally changed to dual threat RBs. Idk if you can credit Ben with that but no longer are the days of stud downhill RBs (with the exception of Henry of course). The best RBs are great at catching put of the backfield now.
Dan Fouts also de-emphasized the focus on a primary receiver and popularized checking down to an open receiver for a quick short pass.