In the Octave Illusion, when the chair was spinning, I saw it spinning to the left. Add shading to make it look like it's turning to the left, nothing changes. However, with the shading supposedly making it rotate right, it stayed rotating left, but it was like a computer model of a chair and the textures were on the wrong sides, causing me to see the opposite side of each part, but on the inside. I know that description was bad, so lemme try again. Imagine a hill. You see the front, and because it is in the shape of a circle, it juts out at you. Now imagine you are looking from the same side, but most of it was cut out, so that it now looks to be bending in, which the difference between the two can be described as convex and concave respectively. The same is applying to the chair, but with each part, like the seat, the legs, and the frame and bars of the back, all the while it is still spinning to the left.
That's great; in a way, being able to perceive the 3D geometry against the shading clues is sort of the ultimate illusion. That transitional moment while your brain scrambles and tries to re-parse the image is really interesting. I've had that for a half second or so watching the switching, but it doesn't hold. Reminds me of when you look at a stereoscopic image but you've crossed your eyes instead of un-crossing them, or vice versa. Maybe I should make a chair video where it switches back and forth a couple times a second.
I think its amazing that even when there is an effect that affects "most" people, there are still some who don't experience it (myself included with a few). We all see the range of biodiversity on the planet, and the range of cultural diversity, but its good to know that even amongst similar members of our spicies there is diversity in perception - we need that to spur innovation. It's awesome!
Like with illusionary continuity/discontinuity. I heard breaks in both tones, but it was a bit tougher with the second tone to understand that it was actually breaking.
Every person on earth hears things differently than any other. As a bass player, I hear chords and tonics. Other folks hear lyrics first. I have to strain to hear lyrics and even then half of it I can't understand..because my head is fully occupied with the music. When singing and playing my bass, I cannot conjure up any lyrics..I have to have them in front of me.
The f***ing thing just kept rotating counterclockwise... I didn't see a damn thing to even insinuate the slightest difference... Maybe I can convince my brain otherwise in a later viewing... BUT this time... nope... counterclockwise the WHOLE time... never changed... didn't matter what the hell he said or how he changed the visuals... nothing... ;o)
For me the chair illusion at 2:08 didn't change direction at all, in both views it was still rotating counter-clockwise (leftwards). What changed was the angle I was seeing the chair from, from above or from below. If anyone sees it rotating clockwise... I say: absolute lies!
I wasn’t tricked by either one of them either, but there could be an explanation for this. Maybe we were the type that didn’t perceive a break in the first audio, but perceived a break in the second audio because we were expecting it. Think about it. First audio has no break, so you assume the second one probably will have a break in it for a comparison. It might be because we were already expecting it, even subconsciously. Maybe if these audios were played with more time between them and no explanation beforehand, we wouldn’t go into them with any expectations and we might’ve been tricked by the second audio
@@junkyardwillie8320 solid theory. Something similar happened with the one with the sentence and the random noises in between which así had breaks. The first time I heard it I filled in the breaks in the voice but after having the knowledge that the voice did have breaks, I went back and actually heard the breaks that time around. I think having an explanation beforehand or going through the experience once makes your brain adapt.
The illusory continuity one is pretty interesting, It's pretty common practice in chiptune music due to the limited amount of channels you have to work with. Never really thought that there would be people that hear it differently.
There was a major problem in the demonstration; the second example had this 'clipping effect' which added to the interruption. I wonder what it would sound like if the tone was perfectly cut off by white noise and vice versa.
If you cannot hear the "cocktail party effect," you may have what is called "hidden hearing loss." It usually presents as loss of speech discrimination amongst noise, but you can hear perfectly fine in a quiet room or on a hearing test. Some studies have shown this to be more common in people who work in generally loud environments or repeatedly listen to loud music. It's a pretty hard thing to test for, and as far as I know, there is no specific "test" for it as of yet.
I've heard of that... and I think I might have a little as well. My hearing tests great, but as I've aged I notice that it's much harder to understand someone talking at a loud party. Or maybe I'm just too sensitive. :-)
@@CaseyConnor Had they spoken in Swedish only Swedes, like myself, could have picked her out talking about the sunset. I know English quite well but it's not MY language - which makes it much harder.
As someone with ASD, the Cocktail Party Effect is elusive -- we tend to hear ALL conversations and our brain gets fatigued trying to follow all of the conversations at once. I've left parties silently due to this -- I can't tolerate bars for the same reason.
Same, I actually realized recently that loud, repetitive music without vocals can make it easier to have conversations in big groups because the music masks all conversations except for the person right next to me
I think my heart did a tumble having found this video, brilliant!! It’s quite difficult to notate these things in contemporary music without people asking all kinds of weird questions, so having a list like this with fantastic examples will help translate these ideas for perfomers in a really reliable way!!! That means I can use less text, ty bröther 🤟🤟🤟❤️ stay safe!
the cocktail party effect is what it feels like to have auditory processing disorder you over process sounds and are able to pick out what ever sound you want through headphones though it feels so much different to actual people talking you struggle to hear anything individually because it is a mess of signals coming through each ear in real life you take into account how the sounds travel through your skull and bones and you are usually able to tell where the person in the room is and pick out their voice because of this.
My first thought for the Cambiata Illusion (6:00) was that it sounded like juggling. And during the whole section, in my head I was watching a wonderful juggling performance.
Same here, I've got adhd tho. I have huge problems understanding people with other noises going on. And being in a crowd is just game over for any communication attempt with me.
Yep, same here... as soon as the other voices came in I couldn't understand a thing she was saying. I could hear her, but I couldn't pick out any words.
This is known as hidden hearing loss. It usually presents as loss of speech discrimination amongst noise, but you can hear perfectly fine in a quiet room or on a hearing test.
@@Niscimble as far as i know (ive got ADD) it has something to do with being able to focus on the sounds you need to hear, since concentration is an issue this causes the inability to distinguish the sounds,
I realise I have been spamming the comments sections of these videos, so I'll shut up now, but two things. 1) Most of these "illusions" I cannot hear, I hear what's actually happening, and 2) I realise thanks to you that I have been making use of several of these techniques for years in my music. I hear what's actually happening, but I wonder now that my listeners have been confused! It may explain why my bandcamp sales are in the ones rather than the thousands! Great series.
Well then... 9:52 Literally a perfect summed up example of my social anxiety as I can indistinctly hear each conversation at the exact same time and am unable to focus on just one. Stimulation overwhelms and panic induced. Even after was pointed out and tried to focus on just the one lady. No dice. fun.
The Illusory continuity phenomenon is used all the time in dance music. Since the bass and kick usually occupy the same sonic space, it's common that the bass line is ducked for 50-150ms whenever the kick drum hits. This ensures that the beat never gets "lost" in the mix. Unless you're listening for it, you don't ever perceive the bass as disappearing.
Totally... and i'm not an aficionado of the genre, but it seems like illusory continuity comes a lot in the glitchy stuttering types of passages where things cut in and out, are interspliced with other sounds, etc.
Agreed. I made a simple keyboard song when I was in high school, where I panned an ascending scale in the left channel and descending scale in the right channel. It was totally boring on each ear. But when I listed to L and R at the same time, ping-ponging back n forth, it made this completely different, funky tempo illusion. Now I at least have a name for it -- Cambiata -- but I still don't know why it's making the funky tempo.
In "The Cocktail Party" illusion I lost the voice of the "Sunset" speaker as soon as it began to fade against the other voices. I have always found crowded conversation impossible to comprehend. I never knew there was a name for this phenomenon. That's why I always prefer gatherings of no more than half a dozen friends. Thank you for enlightening me.
I actually found an Illusionary continuity effect in real life, last year, I went on a trip to Europe, one of the places I went to was Italy, and occasionally you’re going to hear an emergency vehicle drive past with the warning signals on, in case anyone has never heard it before it’s basically a steady tone, that occasionally jumps up to a higher one before quickly moving back down to the original pitch, it does this cycle twice quickly then holds on the lower tone, then it repeats, the lower tone stops for the duration of the higher one, and when one was close to us, like if it was on the road right next to us, I would hear it properly, but I noticed that if I were further away, the lower tone would sound continuous, as in it would sound like the higher tone was just going on top of it, and the lower tone had no gaps, in fact, it took me a while to realize that it wasn’t continuous
I'm definitely not tone deaf, but I'm pretty sure that I'm lyric-deaf. The amount of songs I hear and just can't seem to understand what they are saying is mind boggling to me. Either I listen to too much classical music so my brain is just out of practice of understanding "sung" words, or pop songs do a really terrible job of making the vocals clear in the final mixing and mastering.
I naturally wrote with my left hand as a child, but was forced by my kindergarten teacher to use my right hand... Glad they don't do that anymore. The bright side is I'm fairly ambidextrous now, but prefer to write with my left hand, draw/paint with both, and do everything else with my right. Point being, I did tend to hear the things lefties tended to hear. Makes me ponder... everything. 🧐 Excited to watch this with my right handed SO, and find out how he perceives each one! Great series.
I know only one person who is genuinely, 100%, tone deaf. He has no concept of things being out of tune, and funnily enough he prefers house music which I think is connected.
Well, then he's most certainly not beat deaf. On another note (pun intended), I kind of lose track of notes if they're too deep, then it starts to sound all the same and bad either way. My father is musically gifted and can hear these subtle differences much better.
My dad was completely tone deaf. I could play the same note twice, or 2 different notes, even a few octaves apart. Every time he would say it was the same note.
I would argue perceiving the broken tone as continuous is actually correct because assuming you were playing white noise, all the needed frequencies were there ;)
10:46 as a music producer I always face this problem, when I make 2 steps hats pattern then adding a snare I remove the hat when the snare starts playing it's like a side chaining effect
i liked the cocktail party one because in high school i noticed that i used to be able to almost isolate one person's voice if I knew what it sounded like while i was in the cafeteria and everyone was talking and if i was able to see them clearly. sometimes from pretty far across the room too
this episode was the most fun for my A.D.D. Much different for me. I don't discern an individual voice in crowd but lock onto all. It's quite annoying at restaurants. I often leave places that don't have any sound dampening.
Thank you so much! I've always been interested in sound effects and everything related to sound, I'm totally blind and have perfect pitch and... and I still was tricked by the Deutsch scale illusion! :)
The Octave Illusion was really weird to me. When it played the first time, I didn't hear a left/right switch, but rather two cimpletely different tones being played in the centre, like if you turned back and forth between two similar instruments on your synth. I am listening on fully functional headphones, so I do have stereo sound, but... yeah, that was weird.
With that octive ellusion in stereo, not only did i heard both high & the low tone but that high tone seemed to be in another pitch as well, but once you played then saperately, i could clearly hear That both both the high & low tone were at the same pitch, i was mind blown away by this ellusion , also that test at the end were a tone got interrupted, i was still believing in that they were both continues, woow , how our ears and/or braincould decieve.
The issue with the "illusory discontinuity" example is that, after the discontinuity, the tone continues as though it had only just been briefly paused rather than briefly muted. I'd be curious to see if it would fool me if it was done the other way, because I could hear the discontinuities clearly.
Interesting; the audio is actually briefly muted, not paused, as you say. I wonder if the fact that it sounds otherwise to you it yet another illusion of some kind. :-)
Now I know why parties are acoustic overkill for me, my brain just cannot single out one voice to listen to. its just garble garble xD Thanks for these videos, they're super interesting!
For "ordinary" people these illusion may work, but for musicians, audio technicians - do not :) At least in my case - in the younger days I was playing on a stage and sitting at the mixing console almost 15 years, but still not lost ability to extinguish which sound is coming from where. So I had to struggle very hard to hear these illusions as you have described :)
I have just watched the video [ as well as the previous parts ] and realized that it came out exaclly 1 year ago! Happy anniversary !!! All 3 videos were so much fun! I am very thankful for that Hope you are doing great Mister Connor^^ [ or Miss- or Mx- Please say if I have used the wrong pronounce]
Nonlinear pitch perception is a big reason why chords tend to be used in the higher registers, while the basslines are often a single note or octave. the differences can more easily be heard in higer tones than in lower ones, where it just turns to mush instead. (I'd love to link to where I learned about this, cite my sources, share some knowledge, all that jazz; but I can't figure out who I found out about it from. Sorry.) Also the cambiata illusion was tons of fun!
10:56 the first listen I hear the high pitch continuous but on my second listen I twitched my ear "muscle" (like wiggling your ears) and I could occlude the tone by "wincing" at each interruption.
"The Cocktail Effect" is dependent, I believe to a certian degree, if the "guests" are talking in your native language. Me, being from Sweden, know English quite well , but I couldn't hear the the female voice talking about the "sunset". Had all these people spoken Swedish (about Solnedgången) I think I would have been able to pick her out.
Octave illusion: hmm I could clearly hear what was going on at the beginning. I couldn't even get myself to imagine either of the biased illusions. Glissando illusion: That didn't work for me, either. I do have studio monitors with a good stereo image though. Cambiata Illusion: Same. I could just hear all the notes where they were actually played. Deutsche Scale: ooh that worked. This series is fascinating!
The illusory dis/continuity was odd for me, because I could correctly tell for both cases when the tone was broken vs not... wonder what that says about my neurons LOL
I think that glissando effect correlates to the fill in blanks effect as you described in previous video. The steady pitched note is overriding the second one and our brain fills in the blank so the sound sometimes appear to be more in the center as our brains smooth it out.
This sounds like what goes on during my hearing tests. I can just hear a slight difference in the tone/pitch, but my ears/brain precieve it as two different sounds.
A bit of deja vu here. I think Steve Drews used cambiata in his "Waterwheel" composition on Mother Mallard's first LP. Also, I think Klaus Schulze used deutsch scales in the into to his piece "Crystal Lake" from Mirage.
“illusory continuity/discontinuity” - any perceived continuity is an illusion, the wave shape MUST change to produce the short noise if they are generated by the same source.
Thats what I was thinking.. especially since the interruption was basically white noise, picking out the existence or nonexistence of the constant tone seems irrelevant to me.
Interestingly, after my fall/TBI/stroke and the initial deafness, I found that I have what I would call Cocktail Party Syndrome -- I simply cannot differentiate readily between two voices simultaneously commanding my attention. Whereas, of course, with the Cocktail Party Effect, people can usually differentiate and shift their mental focus readily between two (or several) separate voices.
It is truly mind-blowing how Tchaikovsky's genius utilizes psychoacoustics to make violins sound like a piano!
lmaoo
I'm a huge fan of that particular symphony and it was shocking to me to see that effect.
which work?
Always figured Tchaikovsky for a genius at some level... now it's confirmed. ;o)
Ahaha, Love it!
In the Octave Illusion, when the chair was spinning, I saw it spinning to the left. Add shading to make it look like it's turning to the left, nothing changes. However, with the shading supposedly making it rotate right, it stayed rotating left, but it was like a computer model of a chair and the textures were on the wrong sides, causing me to see the opposite side of each part, but on the inside. I know that description was bad, so lemme try again. Imagine a hill. You see the front, and because it is in the shape of a circle, it juts out at you. Now imagine you are looking from the same side, but most of it was cut out, so that it now looks to be bending in, which the difference between the two can be described as convex and concave respectively. The same is applying to the chair, but with each part, like the seat, the legs, and the frame and bars of the back, all the while it is still spinning to the left.
That's great; in a way, being able to perceive the 3D geometry against the shading clues is sort of the ultimate illusion. That transitional moment while your brain scrambles and tries to re-parse the image is really interesting. I've had that for a half second or so watching the switching, but it doesn't hold. Reminds me of when you look at a stereoscopic image but you've crossed your eyes instead of un-crossing them, or vice versa. Maybe I should make a chair video where it switches back and forth a couple times a second.
Wait, wasn't the chair see-though at some point?
I didn't know it was looking up from a low angle, so I just saw a broken shape.
@@wheedler You weren't. You're looking slightly down at the chair as it's spinning.
@@nurfgal Depending on the direction you're perceiving it to move, the perspective is either above or below. So really, you're both correct.
I think its amazing that even when there is an effect that affects "most" people, there are still some who don't experience it (myself included with a few). We all see the range of biodiversity on the planet, and the range of cultural diversity, but its good to know that even amongst similar members of our spicies there is diversity in perception - we need that to spur innovation. It's awesome!
Like with illusionary continuity/discontinuity. I heard breaks in both tones, but it was a bit tougher with the second tone to understand that it was actually breaking.
Every person on earth hears things differently than any other. As a bass player, I hear chords and tonics. Other folks hear lyrics first. I have to strain to hear lyrics and even then half of it I can't understand..because my head is fully occupied with the music. When singing and playing my bass, I cannot conjure up any lyrics..I have to have them in front of me.
Perceptious diversity... nice thought^^
idk what my brain did but the chair started glitching
meanwhile in england the queen is drinking human blood
@@RealLifeMassMultiplayerRPG what
The f***ing thing just kept rotating counterclockwise... I didn't see a damn thing to even insinuate the slightest difference... Maybe I can convince my brain otherwise in a later viewing... BUT this time... nope... counterclockwise the WHOLE time... never changed... didn't matter what the hell he said or how he changed the visuals... nothing... ;o)
when you see the chair from above it turns counterclockwise, when you see it from below it turns clockwise
Cocktail party effect: fades in the other voices
Me: *disoriented adhd noises*
oh ! same
I couldn't do it either. It just got lost in the sea of voices
Yeah i also heard gibberrish both times, but i also noticed i have major problems listening when there's background noise anyways
Same here.
I have ADHD and am deaf in one ear... cocktail party is my hell
For me the chair illusion at 2:08 didn't change direction at all, in both views it was still rotating counter-clockwise (leftwards). What changed was the angle I was seeing the chair from, from above or from below. If anyone sees it rotating clockwise... I say: absolute lies!
Even with the shading cues? I saw it to the left, but as soon as the shading was added, BAM! to the right!!
Left handed, it's spinning clockwise,with a bottom view.
Wow. The “illusory continuity/discontinuity” test did not trick me in either example.
Me neither.
Did u not listen? That means were smug! ;).
Me either but he didn’t explain what that meant. I heard continuous and then broken as intended so am I weird or am I neurologically sound? 😂
I wasn’t tricked by either one of them either, but there could be an explanation for this. Maybe we were the type that didn’t perceive a break in the first audio, but perceived a break in the second audio because we were expecting it. Think about it. First audio has no break, so you assume the second one probably will have a break in it for a comparison. It might be because we were already expecting it, even subconsciously. Maybe if these audios were played with more time between them and no explanation beforehand, we wouldn’t go into them with any expectations and we might’ve been tricked by the second audio
@@junkyardwillie8320 solid theory. Something similar happened with the one with the sentence and the random noises in between which así had breaks. The first time I heard it I filled in the breaks in the voice but after having the knowledge that the voice did have breaks, I went back and actually heard the breaks that time around. I think having an explanation beforehand or going through the experience once makes your brain adapt.
I heard the word "orange" at the cocktail party. Thank you, Boards of Canada addiction.
@@blower5 When lava pours out near the sea's surface, tremendous explosions sometimes occur.
I heard orange dress say "banana bread" at the cocktail party.
I have no idea what Boards of Canada is, but Orange was the only word I heard as well.
@@SteveJones172pilot All you need to know is ORANGE.
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The only word I too heard was orange, are we special?
The illusory continuity one is pretty interesting, It's pretty common practice in chiptune music due to the limited amount of channels you have to work with.
Never really thought that there would be people that hear it differently.
There was a major problem in the demonstration; the second example had this 'clipping effect' which added to the interruption.
I wonder what it would sound like if the tone was perfectly cut off by white noise and vice versa.
If you cannot hear the "cocktail party effect," you may have what is called "hidden hearing loss." It usually presents as loss of speech discrimination amongst noise, but you can hear perfectly fine in a quiet room or on a hearing test. Some studies have shown this to be more common in people who work in generally loud environments or repeatedly listen to loud music. It's a pretty hard thing to test for, and as far as I know, there is no specific "test" for it as of yet.
I've heard of that... and I think I might have a little as well. My hearing tests great, but as I've aged I notice that it's much harder to understand someone talking at a loud party. Or maybe I'm just too sensitive. :-)
@@CaseyConnor Had they spoken in Swedish only Swedes, like myself, could have picked her out talking about the sunset. I know English quite well but it's not MY language - which makes it much harder.
As a fellow audio lover and musician, this has been an amazing experience!
As someone with ASD, the Cocktail Party Effect is elusive -- we tend to hear ALL conversations and our brain gets fatigued trying to follow all of the conversations at once. I've left parties silently due to this -- I can't tolerate bars for the same reason.
Same, I actually realized recently that loud, repetitive music without vocals can make it easier to have conversations in big groups because the music masks all conversations except for the person right next to me
The chair keeps going counterclockwise with both shadings...
I think my heart did a tumble having found this video, brilliant!! It’s quite difficult to notate these things in contemporary music without people asking all kinds of weird questions, so having a list like this with fantastic examples will help translate these ideas for perfomers in a really reliable way!!! That means I can use less text, ty bröther 🤟🤟🤟❤️ stay safe!
the cocktail party effect is what it feels like to have auditory processing disorder you over process sounds and are able to pick out what ever sound you want through headphones though it feels so much different to actual people talking you struggle to hear anything individually because it is a mess of signals coming through each ear in real life you take into account how the sounds travel through your skull and bones and you are usually able to tell where the person in the room is and pick out their voice because of this.
2:25 i somehow got my brain to see it as one way when the shading was the other way and it looked like it was inside out
My first thought for the Cambiata Illusion (6:00) was that it sounded like juggling. And during the whole section, in my head I was watching a wonderful juggling performance.
6:22 is such a beautiful minimalistic piece, seriously
Dude you deserve a 1.000.000 views, I wish everyone was interested in this....
I Donno?
He has 1.8 million views on the channel so far
I could not hear the cocktail party effect at all, and I don't know if my autism had anything to do with it.
Same here, I've got adhd tho.
I have huge problems understanding people with other noises going on. And being in a crowd is just game over for any communication attempt with me.
Yep, same here... as soon as the other voices came in I couldn't understand a thing she was saying. I could hear her, but I couldn't pick out any words.
same. i've got autism and adhd and it did not work
This is known as hidden hearing loss. It usually presents as loss of speech discrimination amongst noise, but you can hear perfectly fine in a quiet room or on a hearing test.
@@Niscimble as far as i know (ive got ADD) it has something to do with being able to focus on the sounds you need to hear, since concentration is an issue this causes the inability to distinguish the sounds,
I realise I have been spamming the comments sections of these videos, so I'll shut up now, but two things. 1) Most of these "illusions" I cannot hear, I hear what's actually happening, and 2) I realise thanks to you that I have been making use of several of these techniques for years in my music. I hear what's actually happening, but I wonder now that my listeners have been confused! It may explain why my bandcamp sales are in the ones rather than the thousands! Great series.
2:27 If I'm seeing the top side of the chair at first, this version looks like a ghost chair for a second. It's really weird.
I finally have my answer for why my perception of higher pitches tend to be more present on my right ear. This always frustrates me while mixing.
I actually heard a perfect fifth in the octave illusion
Yes the organ sound he used has strongly this 3rd harmonic.
Amazing, each time you said "it's hard to tell for left handers", I didn't hear what was expected.
Well then... 9:52 Literally a perfect summed up example of my social anxiety as I can indistinctly hear each conversation at the exact same time and am unable to focus on just one. Stimulation overwhelms and panic induced. Even after was pointed out and tried to focus on just the one lady. No dice.
fun.
The Deutch Scale Illusion is kind of mind blowing, especially the first demonstration
The Illusory continuity phenomenon is used all the time in dance music. Since the bass and kick usually occupy the same sonic space, it's common that the bass line is ducked for 50-150ms whenever the kick drum hits. This ensures that the beat never gets "lost" in the mix. Unless you're listening for it, you don't ever perceive the bass as disappearing.
Totally... and i'm not an aficionado of the genre, but it seems like illusory continuity comes a lot in the glitchy stuttering types of passages where things cut in and out, are interspliced with other sounds, etc.
Perfect Pitch actually seems to explain why I hear a certain sound in my head when it rains
These are all super interesting but like the notes played in the Cambiata illusion sound actually super pretty, I really like it
Also, the Cambiata is my favorite one so far. It felt like the tempo changed completely when played in both ears. Nuts.
Agreed. I made a simple keyboard song when I was in high school, where I panned an ascending scale in the left channel and descending scale in the right channel. It was totally boring on each ear. But when I listed to L and R at the same time, ping-ponging back n forth, it made this completely different, funky tempo illusion. Now I at least have a name for it -- Cambiata -- but I still don't know why it's making the funky tempo.
In "The Cocktail Party" illusion I lost the voice of the "Sunset" speaker as soon as it began to fade against the other voices. I have always found crowded conversation impossible to comprehend. I never knew there was a name for this phenomenon. That's why I always prefer gatherings of no more than half a dozen friends. Thank you for enlightening me.
I actually found an Illusionary continuity effect in real life, last year, I went on a trip to Europe, one of the places I went to was Italy, and occasionally you’re going to hear an emergency vehicle drive past with the warning signals on, in case anyone has never heard it before it’s basically a steady tone, that occasionally jumps up to a higher one before quickly moving back down to the original pitch, it does this cycle twice quickly then holds on the lower tone, then it repeats, the lower tone stops for the duration of the higher one, and when one was close to us, like if it was on the road right next to us, I would hear it properly, but I noticed that if I were further away, the lower tone would sound continuous, as in it would sound like the higher tone was just going on top of it, and the lower tone had no gaps, in fact, it took me a while to realize that it wasn’t continuous
Hah, yeah, an in-the-wild instance of the effect, nice. :-)
I'm definitely not tone deaf, but I'm pretty sure that I'm lyric-deaf. The amount of songs I hear and just can't seem to understand what they are saying is mind boggling to me.
Either I listen to too much classical music so my brain is just out of practice of understanding "sung" words, or pop songs do a really terrible job of making the vocals clear in the final mixing and mastering.
I naturally wrote with my left hand as a child, but was forced by my kindergarten teacher to use my right hand... Glad they don't do that anymore. The bright side is I'm fairly ambidextrous now, but prefer to write with my left hand, draw/paint with both, and do everything else with my right. Point being, I did tend to hear the things lefties tended to hear. Makes me ponder... everything. 🧐
Excited to watch this with my right handed SO, and find out how he perceives each one! Great series.
I know only one person who is genuinely, 100%, tone deaf. He has no concept of things being out of tune, and funnily enough he prefers house music which I think is connected.
he might like doom, as well.
Well, then he's most certainly not beat deaf.
On another note (pun intended), I kind of lose track of notes if they're too deep, then it starts to sound all the same and bad either way. My father is musically gifted and can hear these subtle differences much better.
My dad was completely tone deaf. I could play the same note twice, or 2 different notes, even a few octaves apart. Every time he would say it was the same note.
As someone who is fully deaf in one ear, I’m disappointed that I can’t experience so much of this.
I would argue perceiving the broken tone as continuous is actually correct because assuming you were playing white noise, all the needed frequencies were there ;)
...Wait is it called white noise because it's like how the color white is actually all of the colors together?
@@Zichqec He confused me too
10:46 as a music producer I always face this problem, when I make 2 steps hats pattern then adding a snare I remove the hat when the snare starts playing it's like a side chaining effect
The Glissando illusion actually worked for me in headphones
The cocktail party effect is a good way to explain my auditory processing disorder
the glissando elusion i hear exactly what needed. the glissandoing tone is moving also fastly on the left right left right
i liked the cocktail party one because in high school i noticed that i used to be able to almost isolate one person's voice if I knew what it sounded like while i was in the cafeteria and everyone was talking and if i was able to see them clearly. sometimes from pretty far across the room too
this episode was the most fun for my A.D.D. Much different for me. I don't discern an individual voice in crowd but lock onto all. It's quite annoying at restaurants. I often leave places that don't have any sound dampening.
I can relate to that. Especially as I get older it has become harder to enjoy being in loud places for this reason.
A lot of these are just cutting up cohesive musical phrases, panning elements left and right then being amazed that the phrase remains consistent.
Thank you so much! I've always been interested in sound effects and everything related to sound, I'm totally blind and have perfect pitch and... and I still was tricked by the Deutsch scale illusion! :)
From a music-producers view, this was just mindblowing.. instant sub. Thanks!
The Octave Illusion was really weird to me.
When it played the first time, I didn't hear a left/right switch, but rather two cimpletely different tones being played in the centre, like if you turned back and forth between two similar instruments on your synth.
I am listening on fully functional headphones, so I do have stereo sound, but... yeah, that was weird.
Fascinating, I heard the illusory discontinuity as broken, and the illusory continuity as continuous.. interesting
mine was the opposite, the first one i could tell it was continuous and the second i could tell was broken
With that octive ellusion in stereo, not only did i heard both high & the low tone but that high tone seemed to be in another pitch as well, but once you played then saperately, i could clearly hear That both both the high & low tone were at the same pitch, i was mind blown away by this ellusion , also that test at the end were a tone got interrupted, i was still believing in that they were both continues, woow , how our ears and/or braincould decieve.
I could not for the life of me see the chair going any other direction than left
The issue with the "illusory discontinuity" example is that, after the discontinuity, the tone continues as though it had only just been briefly paused rather than briefly muted. I'd be curious to see if it would fool me if it was done the other way, because I could hear the discontinuities clearly.
Interesting; the audio is actually briefly muted, not paused, as you say. I wonder if the fact that it sounds otherwise to you it yet another illusion of some kind. :-)
@@CaseyConnor Huh! Neat!
Now I know why parties are acoustic overkill for me, my brain just cannot single out one voice to listen to. its just garble garble xD
Thanks for these videos, they're super interesting!
brilliant series! thank you!
Really enjoying this series. started late in understanding music and these are a big help
I’m loving the ‘whoop-de-doop’ over here.
For "ordinary" people these illusion may work, but for musicians, audio technicians - do not :) At least in my case - in the younger days I was playing on a stage and sitting at the mixing console almost 15 years, but still not lost ability to extinguish which sound is coming from where. So I had to struggle very hard to hear these illusions as you have described :)
I have just watched the video [ as well as the previous parts ] and realized that it came out exaclly 1 year ago! Happy anniversary !!! All 3 videos were so much fun! I am very thankful for that
Hope you are doing great Mister Connor^^ [ or Miss- or Mx- Please say if I have used the wrong pronounce]
Nonlinear pitch perception is a big reason why chords tend to be used in the higher registers, while the basslines are often a single note or octave. the differences can more easily be heard in higer tones than in lower ones, where it just turns to mush instead. (I'd love to link to where I learned about this, cite my sources, share some knowledge, all that jazz; but I can't figure out who I found out about it from. Sorry.)
Also the cambiata illusion was tons of fun!
thank you
2:29
my mind broke trying to process the chair as spinning left. i actually struggled to properly understand what was happening
10:56 the first listen I hear the high pitch continuous but on my second listen I twitched my ear "muscle" (like wiggling your ears) and I could occlude the tone by "wincing" at each interruption.
Love this stuff. Facinating peek into the minds perception. Leads me to contemplate its applications.
"The Cocktail Effect" is dependent, I believe to a certian degree, if the "guests" are talking in your native language. Me, being from Sweden, know English quite well , but I couldn't hear the the female voice talking about the "sunset". Had all these people spoken Swedish (about Solnedgången) I think I would have been able to pick her out.
1:50 I kinda did that in a song, I put an upwards arpeggio on the left channel and a downwards arpeggio on the right and the effect is pretty cool
I'm loving your videos so much!!! More please!!!
10:18 "But did you hear the moonwalking bear?"
Wow, these videos are so underrated
Keep up the amazing work! Incredible
great work
About the last example: The noise is able to mask the tone, so I would assume, that the tone is simply masked and not real interrupted.
Octave illusion: hmm I could clearly hear what was going on at the beginning. I couldn't even get myself to imagine either of the biased illusions.
Glissando illusion: That didn't work for me, either. I do have studio monitors with a good stereo image though.
Cambiata Illusion: Same. I could just hear all the notes where they were actually played.
Deutsche Scale: ooh that worked.
This series is fascinating!
I don't understand... may be because of the high quality of my hear phones or quality of my ears but everything sounds so clear and defined.
I literally could not see the chair rotating clockwise in any scenario
The Deutsch scale illusion (7:01) broke my brain.
Yeah, that's a good one. :-) She's got a lot of good ones.
I experienced the illusory discontinuity phenomena and correctly perceived the discontinuous pitch :D
Thank you for sharing this golden ifno!!!
Cette série de vidéos est géniale !
The illusory dis/continuity was odd for me, because I could correctly tell for both cases when the tone was broken vs not... wonder what that says about my neurons LOL
I could only see the chair move left, even with the other visual cues…
Me: being interrogated by a teacher
my classmates: 10:29
I think that glissando effect correlates to the fill in blanks effect as you described in previous video. The steady pitched note is overriding the second one and our brain fills in the blank so the sound sometimes appear to be more in the center as our brains smooth it out.
I don’t have the cocktail party ability. My brain picked up everything else.
I discovered Nonlinear Pitch Perception as a kid on our piano :) Never knew it was a thing until today
I’m right handed for nearly everything… but I think I’m left eared.
This sounds like what goes on during my hearing tests. I can just hear a slight difference in the tone/pitch, but my ears/brain precieve it as two different sounds.
A bit of deja vu here. I think Steve Drews used cambiata in his "Waterwheel" composition on Mother Mallard's first LP. Also, I think Klaus Schulze used deutsch scales in the into to his piece "Crystal Lake" from Mirage.
The cambiata illusion sounds like one of those sliding horn toys to me
I was able to pick out the voice in the crowd both times. It was only by the word “beach” near the end though.
“illusory continuity/discontinuity” - any perceived continuity is an illusion, the wave shape MUST change to produce the short noise if they are generated by the same source.
Thats what I was thinking.. especially since the interruption was basically white noise, picking out the existence or nonexistence of the constant tone seems irrelevant to me.
At first I could only see the chair spinning to the left even with the shading. It looked really weird with the shading 2:15
Is it strange that during the octave illusion I kept focusing on the G tone (2nd harmonic) which seemed to stay in the middle?
I am right handed and I heard the lower sound on the right.
Interestingly, after my fall/TBI/stroke and the initial deafness, I found that I have what I would call Cocktail Party Syndrome -- I simply cannot differentiate readily between two voices simultaneously commanding my attention. Whereas, of course, with the Cocktail Party Effect, people can usually differentiate and shift their mental focus readily between two (or several) separate voices.
I'm similar, but for me it's just due to being middle-aged, AFAIK.
*illusory continuity/discontinuity* what about hearing a continuous tone for the first and a non-continuous tone for the second?
I neither had illusiony continuity nor discontinuity
Interesting... i'll use this to my advantage on my compositions.
In the last one, I heard it continuous in the first and cut in the 2nd.
10:05 my brain when i try to sleep at night or relax in a silent room
no idea why but the cocktail party effect fucked me up, like I had the sudden urge to start shouting at my pc